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astridmari
29th April 2015, 06:10
It is like Henrik Palmgren says here - impossible to talk about immigration without being accused of being a racist. Our forfathers who built this country is worth nothing. Only other cultures than our own are praised and recognised. It really is going to be tough on us in Sweden coming years. It is all about the money of course and dividing and increase of tension.
"27 apr. 2015
The Swedish political elite have plans to build a new city, funded entirely by Swedish taxpayers, to accommodate the massive wave of incoming immigrants. This radical plan also proposes the confiscation of summer homes and the conversion of old historical buildings and churches in order to facilitate the arrival of new immigrants. Meanwhile, Sweden's welfare system is plummeting as politicians suffer from Stockholm syndrome, trying to be a "humanitarian superpower." Native Swedes have been chosen to carry the weight of the world, sacrificing themselves on the altar of multiculturalism."
http://youtu.be/w7IaCcAJQwY
Flash
29th April 2015, 07:46
It is like Henrik Palmgren says here - impossible to talk about immigration without being accused of being a racist. Our forfathers who built this country is worth nothing. Only other cultures than our own are praised and recognised. It really is going to be tough on us in Sweden coming years. It is all about the money of course and dividing and increase of tension.
"27 apr. 2015
The Swedish political elite have plans to build a new city, funded entirely by Swedish taxpayers, to accommodate the massive wave of incoming immigrants. This radical plan also proposes the confiscation of summer homes and the conversion of old historical buildings and churches in order to facilitate the arrival of new immigrants. Meanwhile, Sweden's welfare system is plummeting as politicians suffer from Stockholm syndrome, trying to be a "humanitarian superpower." Native Swedes have been chosen to carry the weight of the world, sacrificing themselves on the altar of multiculturalism."
http://youtu.be/w7IaCcAJQwY
Well, native Frenchmen, native Britons, native Canadians, are carrying the weight of the world as well with multiculturalism.
M0JFK
29th April 2015, 09:12
We are all human on the planet Earth...you have a birth right to go anywhere on this planet unfettered. Nationalism is the old ways and it is time it was consigned to the dustbin of history. The human race on this planet needs to come together in a common cause and for expansion into the cosmos. The old ways that only lead to division and ultimately war have no more place in human society. We are all one in the brotherhood of mankind. I am not a New World Order advocate for a few elites, I am for a truly united world order for the benefits of all mankind and for the destruction of the power elites once and for all. In short a international revolutionary my friends.
Iloveyou
29th April 2015, 09:17
Astridmari, like you I'm living in one of the richest countries in Europe and I'm far from accusing anybody with these concerns to be racist. How these countries will deal with the ongoing and for sure increasing mass migration process (legal or 'illegal' immigration) will be a test of our humanity. What does it literally mean to be a human being!
Please think about: Our forfathers have not built these countries. They themselves immigrated once. The land (living ressources) belongs to nobody or to all. Think of the native indigenious culture's way to look at it. I consider that to be an ultimate truth for all times and civilizations. Sure if the rich countries would open their borders at once to all who are willing to immigrate, I prefer rather not to imagine the situation of fear, hate, violence and helplessness occuring. But every individual could do that in their mind. Imagine your country with 50% Swedish and 50% people from other countries living together in peace, helping and inspiring each other. Is that Utopia? It is not Utopia in our thoughts and imagination. It's our decision.
CHANGE will maybe mean to 'loose' more than just the summer home, but what will we gain! Are we so happy in our countries and lives with our little bank account, our insurance card and daily struggle to pay the bills?
Many years ago I was so fed up to encounter so many ugly, dirty, smelling, strange behaving, obviously sick and absolutely desperate, unhappy people (!) in the streets (living in a large city) day after day, I couldn't stand it anymore. Then one day I received a very strong image: I was lost in a foreign country, in a rough landscape with no baggage, no passport, no money. Exhausted and about to die of thirst. Finally I found a small hut with people living there. They welcomed me and saved my life according to the tradition of hospitality. Would I have judged them before accepting help? I never forget this experience, as it was much more real than every incident of every day life (and it was not the only image of this kind I received).
I've gone far now. But this experience changed my whole way to look at people including all the immigrants waiting outside our country's boundaries.
Can't help having the impression that every single individual is carrying the whole weight of the world alone because we do not share (I know I've left out some crucial aspects, but have to leave for now . . . still paying bills).
InCiDeR
29th April 2015, 09:29
(...)At 450,295 square kilometres (173,860 sq mi), Sweden is the third-largest country in the European Union by area, with a total population of over 9.7 million. Sweden consequently has a low population density of 21 inhabitants per square kilometre (54/sq mi), with the highest concentration in the southern half of the country. Approximately 85% of the population lives in urban areas.Southern Sweden is predominantly agricultural, while the north is heavily forested(...)
Source / Read More (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden)
I think there is plenty of room for more... :welcome:
Violet
29th April 2015, 09:43
My grandfather came here to both build a new life and help build a new Belgium, yet he was no Belgian forefather. I just don't like that sentence: Our forefathers built this country.
Did you know that in Western European countries like France, Belgium and the Netherlands around "forefather" time they actually had great difficulties finding local forefathers that were willing to build (read lit.: using hands, and hands getting very dirty) this country (at the rates then offered). So much so that they had to go overseas to spread brochures for anyone interested in a "new life".
We can and should be able to talk about immigration. It's a (not new, but growing) fact and if you are confronted with it, living in the midst of it, no one should try to discourage you by saying you are a racist, although we did notice some trends in Red Ice over the past few years that we discussed in another thread here (will look for it later).
M0JFK
29th April 2015, 09:43
(...)At 450,295 square kilometres (173,860 sq mi), Sweden is the third-largest country in the European Union by area, with a total population of over 9.7 million. Sweden consequently has a low population density of 21 inhabitants per square kilometre (54/sq mi), with the highest concentration in the southern half of the country. Approximately 85% of the population lives in urban areas.Southern Sweden is predominantly agricultural, while the north is heavily forested(...)
Source / Read More (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden)
I think there is plenty of room for more... :welcome:
Did you know the worlds population can fit into the state of Texas alone with a acre of land each for ever man woman and child? It is not over population that worries the elites it is the control of the population that worries the elites. The only problem with the worlds populations is because it bulk is concentrated into the cities apart from that there is no overpopulation and no real concern for resources depletion either. Managed wisely for the benefits of all instead of the few and with the release of new technology that is suppressed to maintain the control of the elites resources depletion is also a fallacy.
ulli
29th April 2015, 09:45
According to this map Sweden leads the world in "atheism".
Imagine the impact on organized religions if one added
"generous immigration policy"
But perhaps it also has something else that distinguishes them from other nations...
an elite that is actually kinder than their population.
http://ceolusofono.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/What-Each-Country-Leads-the-World-in...-1.jpg
http://ceolusofono.com/2014/01/13/potencia-e-percepcao/what-each-country-leads-the-world-in-4/
InCiDeR
29th April 2015, 10:34
(...)But perhaps it also has something else that distinguishes them from other nations...
an elite that is actually kinder than their population. (...)
Hahaha...not really... even if it might look like it in the op. There are all kinds of problems when it comes to immigrants and integration, most of them due to decisions made by politicians and forced by the elite. I might take some time a rainy day and write a longer "point of view" regarding Sweden's position and stance in those matters.
Ikarusion
29th April 2015, 12:23
just some general info for those interested:
http://www.amid.dk/pub/papers/AMID_48-2006_Jan_Ekberg.pdf
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/01/the-jewish-origins-of-multiculturalism-in-sweden/
delfine
29th April 2015, 13:35
It is like Henrik Palmgren says here - impossible to talk about immigration without being accused of being a racist. Our forfathers who built this country is worth nothing. Only other cultures than our own are praised and recognised. It really is going to be tough on us in Sweden coming years. It is all about the money of course and dividing and increase of tension.
"27 apr. 2015
The Swedish political elite have plans to build a new city, funded entirely by Swedish taxpayers, to accommodate the massive wave of incoming immigrants. This radical plan also proposes the confiscation of summer homes and the conversion of old historical buildings and churches in order to facilitate the arrival of new immigrants. Meanwhile, Sweden's welfare system is plummeting as politicians suffer from Stockholm syndrome, trying to be a "humanitarian superpower." Native Swedes have been chosen to carry the weight of the world, sacrificing themselves on the altar of multiculturalism."
http://youtu.be/w7IaCcAJQwY
This is not hospitality, it´s ethnic and cultural suicide.
Here are some news from an area where 80% of the population are immigrants:
Lately several big carburns has ravaged Norsborg (suburb to Stockholm) and the neighbouring Hallunda.
The video shows 30 cars set aflame at a garage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhrPEGmx-ZU
Sweden is now number two on the global list of rape countries. According to a survey from 2010, Sweden, with 53.2 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants, is surpassed only by tiny Lesotho in Southern Africa, with 91.6 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
InCiDeR
29th April 2015, 14:32
Sweden is now number two on the global list of rape countries. According to a survey from 2010, Sweden, with 53.2 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants, is surpassed only by tiny Lesotho in Southern Africa, with 91.6 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants.
... and how exactly is this related to the OP and/or immigrants?
delfine
29th April 2015, 14:35
Sweden is now number two on the global list of rape countries. According to a survey from 2010, Sweden, with 53.2 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants, is surpassed only by tiny Lesotho in Southern Africa, with 91.6 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants.
... and how exactly is this relevant to the OP and/or immigrants?
Because the rapes are committed primarily by the immigrants, duh. Sweden was a very peaceful and lawabiding country before this great influx of immigrants. But the swedes due to political correctness, don´t dare to report the ethnic background of the perpetrators. But you have to be very thick not to be able to put two and two together. Swedes are not raving sex-offenders in general.
Here are the statistics from Norway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a56EqUPwyFQ
InCiDeR
29th April 2015, 14:37
Sweden is now number two on the global list of rape countries. According to a survey from 2010, Sweden, with 53.2 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants, is surpassed only by tiny Lesotho in Southern Africa, with 91.6 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants.
... and how exactly is this relevant to the OP and/or immigrants?
Because the rapes are committed primarily by the immigrants, duh. Sweden was a very peaceful and lawabiding country before this great influx of immigrants.
Oh they are?! I didn't know that and neither did obviously the report:
Significantly, the report does not touch on the background of the rapists.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
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EDIT (after your update of your post with video): And what has a norwegian report to do with Sweden?
delfine
29th April 2015, 14:45
Sweden is now number two on the global list of rape countries. According to a survey from 2010, Sweden, with 53.2 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants, is surpassed only by tiny Lesotho in Southern Africa, with 91.6 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants.
... and how exactly is this relevant to the OP and/or immigrants?
Because the rapes are committed primarily by the immigrants, duh. Sweden was a very peaceful and lawabiding country before this great influx of immigrants.
Oh they are?! I didn't know that and neither did obviously the report:
Significantly, the report does not touch on the background of the rapists.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
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EDIT (after your update of your post with video): And what has a norwigian report to do with Sweden?
What has a norwegian report to do with Sweden? The situation of these two countries are similar and very much comparable of course. But below is an elaboration on the swedish situation.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de1_1394099792
InCiDeR
29th April 2015, 14:54
The sharpest increase of notifications since 1975 has been for sexual offenses. The increase in the number of reports since 1975, and especially in recent times, because according to research on legislative changes and that rape is defined in Swedish law expanded in stages (most recently to include among other things that were previously part of sexual assault), altered statistics, increased propensity, increased media visibility, reduced tolerance for rape, increased alcohol consumption and altered the opportunity structure with more unknowns meetings have influenced the development. To register-based statistics of reported sexual offenses and particularly rape increased has attracted much media attention, but the results of the National Crime Prevention Council The National Safety investigation suggests that the extent of sexual crimes has remained relatively unchanged since 2005. An actual increase in the number of rapes is however not possible to exclude.
Source (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualbrott_i_Sverige#V.C3.A5ldt.C3.A4ktsstatistik)
... and I tend to disagree a bit that Norway and Sweden has similarities in these aspect. They might touch each other in other aspects, but mainly they are pretty different as countries.
delfine
29th April 2015, 16:11
The sharpest increase of notifications since 1975 has been for sexual offenses. The increase in the number of reports since 1975, and especially in recent times, because according to research on legislative changes and that rape is defined in Swedish law expanded in stages (most recently to include among other things that were previously part of sexual assault), altered statistics, increased propensity, increased media visibility, reduced tolerance for rape, increased alcohol consumption and altered the opportunity structure with more unknowns meetings have influenced the development. To register-based statistics of reported sexual offenses and particularly rape increased has attracted much media attention, but the results of the National Crime Prevention Council The National Safety investigation suggests that the extent of sexual crimes has remained relatively unchanged since 2005. An actual increase in the number of rapes is however not possible to exclude.
Source (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualbrott_i_Sverige#V.C3.A5ldt.C3.A4ktsstatistik)
... and I tend to disagree a bit that Norway and Sweden has similarities in these aspect. They might touch each other in other aspects, but mainly they are pretty different as countries.
In what way do you consider Sweden and Norway pretty different? They are both Scandinavian countries and lying right next to each other + they are very similar culturally speaking. Much more similar than say Sweden and South America, or Sweden and Africa, or Sweden and pretty much any other country than the Scandinavian countries. Which other countries do you suggest are more similar to Sweden than Norway?
Alarmed at last week’s police statistics, which revealed that in 68% of all rapes committed this year the perpetrator was from an ethnic minority
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/the-living-hell-for-swedish-women-5-muslims-commit-nearly-77-6-of-all-rape-crimes/
http://fjordman.blogspot.dk/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html
Snoweagle
29th April 2015, 16:41
The sharpest increase of notifications since 1975 has been for sexual offenses. The increase in the number of reports since 1975, and especially in recent times, because according to research on legislative changes and that rape is defined in Swedish law expanded in stages (most recently to include among other things that were previously part of sexual assault), altered statistics, increased propensity, increased media visibility, reduced tolerance for rape, increased alcohol consumption and altered the opportunity structure with more unknowns meetings have influenced the development. To register-based statistics of reported sexual offenses and particularly rape increased has attracted much media attention, but the results of the National Crime Prevention Council The National Safety investigation suggests that the extent of sexual crimes has remained relatively unchanged since 2005. An actual increase in the number of rapes is however not possible to exclude.
Source (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexualbrott_i_Sverige#V.C3.A5ldt.C3.A4ktsstatistik)
... and I tend to disagree a bit that Norway and Sweden has similarities in these aspect. They might touch each other in other aspects, but mainly they are pretty different as countries.
This immigration problem is enforced de-culturalisation of indignous groups placing an uneducated and non technical social burden within a managed welfare system that had grown over hundreds of years and now alienating communities. Enforced division.
All the previous posts have avoided the main problem here and that is the very Secular Banking Elite forcing multiculturism onto western first world nations is the same Secular Group that has displaced the incoming population in the first place by their land grab and Economic slaughter by their own controlled military forces.
The US and EU have for decades now been fighting ficticious wars on behalf of this Secular Banking Elite (virtually every nation has an Israeli controlled National Central Bank) and now the world is on the verge of global financial collapse which will reak havoc when the technical infrastructure falls apart.
The problem with sexual assaults by immigrants is very real and testimony to the lack of integration actually taking place. Every country in the EU that has taken in immigrants on large scales IS suffering with marketed increase in sexual crimes. ( Here in the UK, the problem is so bad, authorities have now attached the sexual market onto the GDP of the country! ).
So whether YOU agree or not, the evidences are everywhere that has been affected. People are fearful of losing work, Women are terrified of being assaulted and raped whilst Children are being led from their parents now under the mantra of "one mixed world". Confusing the shyte out of established systems.
Heres an example of how one Nation has dealt with the problem and stood up to the directives as set down by the United Nations.
Watch this and may your heart weep . . .
Managing immigration - an alternative (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIYIGDmVXGg)
iIYIGDmVXGg
This video was produced by David Sheen and Max Bluementhal. They had this note to add to the video placement on You Tube.
Published on 10 Apr 2014
Solicited, then rejected by The New York Times - Quickly share before it's taken down!!!
Blumenthal explained how The New York Times commissioned the 11-minute video, but after the paper's editors saw it, refused to publish it:
I was asked to submit something by The New York Times op docs, a new section on the website that published short video documentaries. I am known for short video documentaries about the right wing in the US, and extremism in Israel. They solicited a video from me, and when I didn't produce it in time, they called me for it, saying they wanted it. So I sent them a video I produced with my colleague, David Sheen, an Israeli journalist who is covering the situation of non-Jewish Africans in Israel more extensively than any journalist in the world.
We put together some shocking footage of pogroms against African communities in Tel Aviv, and interviews with human rights activists. I thought it was a well-done documentary about a situation very few Americans were familiar with. We included analysis. We tailored it to their style, and of course it was rejected without an explanation after being solicited. I sent it to some other major websites and they have not even responded to me, when they had often solicited articles from me in the past.
Blumenthal, author of the bestselling and widely promoted 2009 book Republican Gomorrah, also spoke about the difficulty he has had getting any mainstream media attention for his new book Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel.
Just like this video, Blumenthals' new book offers an unflinching look at the racist reality of Israel that Americas' establishment media simply does not have the guts to confront.
I half expect a strike against me from Y/T Yid Brigades, I hope some of you will down and re-up this piece!
Everybody is being impacted and it is destabilising all the developed Nations as the third world is decimated. That is the problem. It is not about race colour or creed; it's about betrayal and entrapment to provide a new World Order after the slaughter of WWIII which we are on the cusp of witnessing.
Iloveyou
29th April 2015, 16:48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a56EqUPwyFQ
It is not helpful to mix up political motivated religious fundamentalism (which treats women without hijab as 'whores' f.e.) with the challenge of worldwide migration movements. Islamic fundamentalism is obviously a problem in many (not only western) countries and I'm sure there are people here who could say a word about the connection between fundamentalist (daily)terror and the powers behind Western governments.
Parts of Oslo being subject to Sharia law or the rule of Muslim Imams ??? Somebody should make the Norwegian government aware of that.
The video is uploaded on a channel named 'Crush Thelslam' (!) (Crush the Islam). That says all.
indigopete
29th April 2015, 17:10
I cannot believe the hypocrisy I read from many in this thread who support what's going on in Sweden as some kind of constructive cultural diversification.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
The mass immigration thats occurring in Sweden is shear lunacy. At best it's going to lead to an utterly fragmented and miserable society and at worst civil war. I say this as someone who speaks 3 languages fluently, have lived in 3 countries of substantially differing cultural origin and have a fair idea of what cultural diversity entails.
Forced mass immigration along economic pressure gradients such as what is happening in Sweden has about as much to with constructive cultural evolution as pig slop has with fine cuisine. You might as well justify the mass invasion of the native American lands by the 'white man' or the ruination of unspoilt Mediteranean Coastlines by beer swilling tourists or the mass purchase of rural Romanian family homes by armchair property traders by the same logic.
Henrik is absolutely right to highlight this as a problem.
Snoweagle
29th April 2015, 17:10
It is not helpful to mix up political motivated religious fundamentalism (which treats women without hijab as 'whores' f.e.) with the challenge of worldwide migration movements. Islamic fundamentalism is obviously a problem in many (not only western) countries and I'm sure there are people here who could say a word about the connection between fundamentalist (daily)terror and the powers behind Western governments.
Parts of Oslo being subject to Sharia law or the rule of Muslim Imams ??? Somebody should make the Norwegian government aware of that.
The video is uploaded on a channel named 'Crush Thelslam' (!) That says all.
Worldwide Migration Movements is not a problem in a free world. In a balanced world. In a world of Equality. In a world where firat world nation populations worked their arses off believing that our governments were displacing dictatorships and aiding recoveries and developing the third world when in actual fact the opposite has happened virtually destroying each of them.
You are absoutely correct their are people here that will speak of this caper with authority though we are a multinational discussion group and by our comments we can educate each other.
The three main religions of the West are all controlled by the same Secular Banking Elite and each are funded by the same. Untill the revelation of this next religion to replace those three appears then we collectively will suffer, indigneous and immigrant. All by design.
InCiDeR
29th April 2015, 17:14
In what way do you consider Sweden and Norway pretty different? They are both Scandinavian countries and lying right next to each other + they are very similar culturally speaking. Much more similar than say Sweden and South America, or Sweden and Africa, or Sweden and pretty much any other country than the Scandinavian countries. Which other countries do you suggest are more similar to Sweden than Norway?
Alarmed at last week’s police statistics, which revealed that in 68% of all rapes committed this year the perpetrator was from an ethnic minority
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/the-living-hell-for-swedish-women-5-muslims-commit-nearly-77-6-of-all-rape-crimes/
http://fjordman.blogspot.dk/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html
At first glance I thought that the Scandinavian countries were similar when I visited them as a tourist. When I start working with our neighbours Norway, Denmark and Finland on many different levels for several years, and also frequently visited those countries for longer periods, I discovered that what on the surface apparently was similar, differ in many more areas than I had imagined . They are different in many levels of the social structure, infrastructure, economics, political, assets, sociological and even psychological and cultural makeup etc. However, this is not the thread to go into details in all those different areas. But this is of course my opinion, you might have another one.
And regarding all different reports that are available regarding the situation in Sweden in this matter, there are several hundreds of them and all of them shows and headlights different statistics depending on the writer of the report and his/hers base values and intention with it. Therefore I stick to the official report made by the National Crime Prevention Council The National Safety investigation that are a conclusion based on many different researches, investigations and reports.
So I guess we have to agree to disagree.
delfine
29th April 2015, 17:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a56EqUPwyFQ
It is not helpful to mix up political motivated religious fundamentalism (which treats women without hijab as 'whores' f.e.) with the challenge of worldwide migration movements. Islamic fundamentalism is obviously a problem in many (not only western) countries and I'm sure there are people here who could say a word about the connection between fundamentalist (daily)terror and the powers behind Western governments.
Parts of Oslo being subject to Sharia law or the rule of Muslim Imams ??? Somebody should make the Norwegian government aware of that.
The video is uploaded on a channel named 'Crush Thelslam' (!) That says all.
The name of the channel doesn´t change the fact of the matter.
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/--Innvandrere-bak-alle-anmeldte-overfallsvoldtekter-i-Oslo-5569378.html#.U6fDdPmzIyq
Sierra
29th April 2015, 17:40
It is not helpful to mix up political motivated religious fundamentalism (which treats women without hijab as 'whores' f.e.) with the challenge of worldwide migration...
I think it is a cultural issue, that women without hijabs are considered whores. The same problem in England...
From: http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/robert-spencer/hundreds-more-muslim-rape-gang-cases-discovered-in-uk/
Why is this happening? What illness has overtaken British authorities, such that they are covering up these cases and doing little or nothing to apprehend offenders? The answer lies in the fact that these are not simply criminal cases involving outlaw gangs. The rape gangs are made up of Muslims who believe that the Qur’an (4:3; 4:24; 23:1-6; 33:50) and Islamic law allow them to capture non-Muslim girls and press them into sexual slavery, as we have also seen the jihadists of Boko Haram and the Islamic State also do in the past year. And British authorities have feared to confront the problem in its full magnitude because they’re afraid of the stigma of stigmas in the twenty-first century West: being called “racist.”
Islamic law allows, if not encourages, sexual slavery, and this is a very hard thing for Westerners to understand.
ghostrider
29th April 2015, 18:09
it would all depend on a persons intentions , my ancestors lived in peace in the southeast , the English came over and drove them all eventually to Oklahoma , the word Oklahoma translated in Indian language means red people ... they were driven so far they ended up in Glenpool Ok ... that's a long way from the beautiful mountains of Tennessee , Georgia ,and northern Florida area ... as long as we live in harmony , no problem , if it's cultural extinction we have a problem ... when it's gone , it isn't coming back ...
InCiDeR
29th April 2015, 18:14
I cannot believe the hypocrisy I read from many in this thread who support what's going on in Sweden as some kind of constructive cultural diversification.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
The mass immigration thats occurring in Sweden is shear lunacy. At best it's going to lead to an utterly fragmented and miserable society and at worst civil war. I say this as someone who speaks 3 languages fluently, have lived in 3 countries of substantially differing cultural origin and have a fair idea of what cultural diversity entails.
Forced mass immigration along economic pressure gradients such as what is happening in Sweden has about as much to with constructive cultural evolution as pig slop has with fine cuisine. You might as well justify the mass invasion of the native American lands by the 'white man' or the ruination of unspoilt Mediteranean Coastlines by beer swilling tourists or the mass purchase of rural Romanian family homes by armchair property traders by the same logic.
Henrik is absolutely right to highlight this as a problem.
The hypocrisy to me is when we see and accept borders when there are none.
As long as we stay in that state of mentality I believe humanity has a long way to travel.
Flash
29th April 2015, 18:25
I cannot believe the hypocrisy I read from many in this thread who support what's going on in Sweden as some kind of constructive cultural diversification.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
The mass immigration thats occurring in Sweden is shear lunacy. At best it's going to lead to an utterly fragmented and miserable society and at worst civil war. I say this as someone who speaks 3 languages fluently, have lived in 3 countries of substantially differing cultural origin and have a fair idea of what cultural diversity entails.
Forced mass immigration along economic pressure gradients such as what is happening in Sweden has about as much to with constructive cultural evolution as pig slop has with fine cuisine. You might as well justify the mass invasion of the native American lands by the 'white man' or the ruination of unspoilt Mediteranean Coastlines by beer swilling tourists or the mass purchase of rural Romanian family homes by armchair property traders by the same logic.
Henrik is absolutely right to highlight this as a problem.
The hypocrisy to me is when we see and accept borders when there are none.
As long as we stay in that state of mentality I believe humanity has a long way to travel.
As long as you have poors and rich, poor countries where people starve and rich ones, and power games, you will have violence and people moving around on the survival mode.
Cut off violence on TV and video games stimulating testosterone to the extreme, cut off power games and feed everybody, the world will become very peaceful. Violence, other than for survival, is learned behavior for most. Only the psychopaths have true violence integrated withing their genes, the rest of us are learning the behaviors.
delfine
29th April 2015, 19:06
I cannot believe the hypocrisy I read from many in this thread who support what's going on in Sweden as some kind of constructive cultural diversification.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
The mass immigration thats occurring in Sweden is shear lunacy. At best it's going to lead to an utterly fragmented and miserable society and at worst civil war. I say this as someone who speaks 3 languages fluently, have lived in 3 countries of substantially differing cultural origin and have a fair idea of what cultural diversity entails.
Forced mass immigration along economic pressure gradients such as what is happening in Sweden has about as much to with constructive cultural evolution as pig slop has with fine cuisine. You might as well justify the mass invasion of the native American lands by the 'white man' or the ruination of unspoilt Mediteranean Coastlines by beer swilling tourists or the mass purchase of rural Romanian family homes by armchair property traders by the same logic.
Henrik is absolutely right to highlight this as a problem.
The hypocrisy to me is when we see and accept borders when there are none.
As long as we stay in that state of mentality I believe humanity has a long way to travel.
As long as all people do not agree upon the goals and values in life, it is foolish to abandon borders and nationality. People from the 3. world are flocking
to european welfare states, because they are well-functioning countries. But the immigrants are bringing the values and convictions from their home-countries with them. As they are increasing in numbers, anybody can predict that they will change things in their new countries, to be more like their home-countries. Most of which are failed states. To have no borders, is ruining the chance of preserving some of few well-functioning countries that are left.
Jantje
29th April 2015, 19:28
imaginary borders have a strong impact on people. so does culture. it is very difficult to mix cultures. culture requires years of programming and conditioning after all. in my opinion it is not that strange it is difficult to unite very different cultures and you certainly can't blame individuals looking for a better existence. it is all engineered to work out this way. divide and rule.
Tangri
29th April 2015, 19:46
Sweden is now number two on the global list of rape countries. According to a survey from 2010, Sweden, with 53.2 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants, is surpassed only by tiny Lesotho in Southern Africa, with 91.6 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants.
... and how exactly is this relevant to the OP and/or immigrants?
Because the rapes are committed primarily by the immigrants, duh. Sweden was a very peaceful and lawabiding country before this great influx of immigrants.
Oh they are?! I didn't know that and neither did obviously the report:
Significantly, the report does not touch on the background of the rapists.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
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EDIT (after your update of your post with video): And what has a norwegian report to do with Sweden?
:thumbsup: Good catch.
Tangri
29th April 2015, 19:57
Turkey has 2 millions of refugees from Syria and Iraq, 100.000 temporary workers from Armenia, 200.000 touristic visas worker Tajikistan, Georgia, Uzbekistan.
Canada takes every year 250.000 immigrants. USA uses 200.000 temporary workers for farming. Italy having 50.000 human trafficking each year. If you are looking with different mood, the glass is always half empty.
ceetee9
29th April 2015, 20:35
(...)At 450,295 square kilometres (173,860 sq mi), Sweden is the third-largest country in the European Union by area, with a total population of over 9.7 million. Sweden consequently has a low population density of 21 inhabitants per square kilometre (54/sq mi), with the highest concentration in the southern half of the country. Approximately 85% of the population lives in urban areas.Southern Sweden is predominantly agricultural, while the north is heavily forested(...)
Source / Read More (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden)
I think there is plenty of room for more... :welcome:
Did you know the worlds population can fit into the state of Texas alone with a acre of land each for ever man woman and child? It is not over population that worries the elites it is the control of the population that worries the elites. The only problem with the worlds populations is because it bulk is concentrated into the cities apart from that there is no overpopulation and no real concern for resources depletion either. Managed wisely for the benefits of all instead of the few and with the release of new technology that is suppressed to maintain the control of the elites resources depletion is also a fallacy.I've heard that story before as well so I decided to do a little research and it turns out it is a myth.
According to the WorldAtlas.com, there are 261,797 square miles of land in Texas which converts to 167,550,080 acres. Assuming you didn't need any infrastructure to support 7 billion people living that close together, you could put ~42 people per acre.
Someone at UT Texas did an analysis of this as well and came up with some interesting data here (http://www.zo.utexas.edu/courses/THOC/Texas.html). If his analysis is right, we would need 10 Earths to support every man, woman, and child in a lifestyle similar to that of the average American. Of course, he could be working for the Illumanti to prove we need to reduce the world population to one-tenth of its present size. :confused:
Violet
29th April 2015, 20:47
I found the other thread. Title was: I think I'm finished with Red Ice Radio (link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78432-I-think-I-m-finished-with-Red-Ice-Radio))
M0JFK
29th April 2015, 21:59
They have moved Norway into Sweden.
Sweden is now number two on the global list of rape countries. According to a survey from 2010, Sweden, with 53.2 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants, is surpassed only by tiny Lesotho in Southern Africa, with 91.6 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants.
... and how exactly is this relevant to the OP and/or immigrants?
Because the rapes are committed primarily by the immigrants, duh. Sweden was a very peaceful and lawabiding country before this great influx of immigrants.
Oh they are?! I didn't know that and neither did obviously the report:
Significantly, the report does not touch on the background of the rapists.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
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EDIT (after your update of your post with video): And what has a norwigian report to do with Sweden?
What has a norwegian report to do with Sweden? The situation of these two countries are similar and very much comparable of course. But below is an elaboration on the swedish situation.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de1_1394099792
indigopete
29th April 2015, 22:00
The hypocrisy to me is when we see and accept borders when there are none.
As long as we stay in that state of mentality I believe humanity has a long way to travel.
That is a very superficial and ill thought through remark if I may say so.
We are not discussing freedom of movement here - that has never been limited in a country like Sweden. Nor is it even contested by anyone contributing to this debate as far as I'm aware. Most Western countries have had open borders for decades from the point of view of travel, long term residency and even citizenship after an appropriate period of residency.
Also, the Scandinavian countries have made massive contributions to disadvantaged societies all over the world through many decades.
This is a discussion about giving unconditional citizenship to people parachuting in from nowhere and assigning them lifelong political and material privileges across a wide range of state facilities that they never contributed to. Not only that but actually 'transplanting' a population the size of Barcelona every couple of years and not bothering to worry about where or how those new populations will live, be integrated into the indigenous society or even if they ever will.
If you really believe in cultural diversity then you would understand that this type of policy is the antithesis, not the facilitator of it.
It's easy to say that "borders are divisive". The reality is that they may be divisive and they may be empowering depending on the particular case. Any facilitator of diversity - be it political or cultural - can be regarded as a 'border'. But the reality is that the world is a diverse place and will always be full of discontinuities of all kinds.
A farm has some ploughed fields and some pasture. That isn't 'divisive', it's diversity and we need diversity to create harmony.
Aurvandil
30th April 2015, 01:41
There are many levels to this topic. I live in Sweden too and hear this debate a lot. I agree with Indigopete:
This is a discussion about giving unconditional citizenship to people parachuting in from nowhere and assigning them lifelong political and material privileges across a wide range of state facilities that they never contributed to.
The problem is, how big a country Sweden may be and how seemingly wealthy it is, Sweden is on the brink of no longing being able to care for the immigrants.
Some facts:
Last year, 81 301 persons came to Sweden (link (http://www.scb.se/sv_/Hitta-statistik/Statistik-efter-amne/Befolkning/Befolkningens-sammansattning/Befolkningsstatistik/25788/25795/Helarsstatistik---Riket/82972/).)
A lot of these persons are meeting problems with entering the country. They will be given accomodation and a small amount of money depending on the form of accomodation they will receive (from about 2GBP to about 6GBP per day). Then they will wait for quite some time during the processing of their application as immigrant. Several people get rejected, many of those will have to wait several years for the result which will lead them to be deported. During that time they will have learned some Swedish, gotten friends and gotten daily routines.
The time of the processing are getting longer and longer causing several immigrants to escape from the accomodations and go underground. A lot of children, who comes here alone, also does this. This is of course a big hazard because the authorities no longer can keep track of the immigrants.
There is also a lot of people (last year 7863 persons) who doesn´t have passport (or has gotten rid of them).
Swedish municipalities, how small and poor they may be, are forced to receive immigrants and accomodate them, impinging on their budgets.
Immigrants are, upon approval, given the choice where they want to live and they of course choose the big cities. We have ghettos in Stockholm, Gothenburg and perhaps most of all in Malmö. This prevents integration of the immigrants which should be an advatage both for them and the Swedish population.
Even if learning Swedish is a demand it is not followed up, leaving a lot of older immigrants just talking their native language and not being able to have any contact with their new home land.
A lot of young immigrants or second generation immigrants often feel frustrated which leeds to riots. Now, we have the debate about radicalization where Sweden has been given help from experts in UK but not taking it because the authorities don´t know what to do.
In about 10 years there will be an explosion of elderly people not talking Swedish which will lead to the necessity to create retirement homes with native language speaking personnel. The question about healthcare has been going on for years and where the most controversial question is of anyone can demand to get healthcare without paying. The same goes for school for the children.
...and much more
This is not fair on neither party - the immigrants are not cared for and often given false hopes, the Swedish population are often led to believe the immigrants are a bigger problem than they are.
My point is that measures must be taken not to give the immigrants false hopes to stay and they must properly be taken care of once they have proven rights to stay. I mean - who really wants to leave one home and live in a strange country?
Sweden has, since many years, a reputation of being a country which is easy to get into, perhaps go underground in, being granted asylum and eventually being granted citizenship. This is the main reason for the immigration.
The problems also goes both ways - the politicians doesn´t know what to do, the immigrants are not met with any demands they have to live up unless they dont want it themselves.
All this is resulting in a very severe pressure on the tax paid by those who work, causing as OP mentions, a lot of people to raise their voices to say that we should take care of our "own" people first before we help anyone else. I don´t know if it is that simple, but to be honest, sometimes I wish it was.
The most important thing to do is to awaken the Swedish politicians who still live in the 70´s, to get more help to the home countries of the immigrants (Syria for example), speed up the processing of applications so people don´t have to wait years for results and then create proper integration routines. It is also important to spread message that Sweden is not the paradise that smugglers are let to believe.
Denmark has earlier had many immigrants but since several years the number has been minimal due to a very harsh political agenda through Dansk folkeparti which now is considered mainstream. Norway has used to welcome immigrants but have since the last decades not taken in so many immigrants as it used to. The graphs in this article (https://www.ssb.no/befolkning/artikler-og-publikasjoner/innvandrere-i-norge-sverige-og-danmark) are interesting and tells how the population is composed in the Nordic countries.
AND - no matter how logical it may seem, you can´t compare the Nordic countries, they are not that similar in neither culture nor political agendas that you might think.
quiltinggrandma
30th April 2015, 02:03
they want it all torn down from the chaos-so they can build it back up just the way they want it------but,,who is they???
Violet
30th April 2015, 07:49
Most Western EU-countries are part of the Schengen-border agreement. More information about the Schengen agreement here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement).
Countries agreeing on making it easier to move around the European territory, whereas before we had tighter border control.
29638 (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdragen_van_Schengen) (full size table on wiki: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdragen_van_Schengen)
Note that the date of creation, accepting (1st column) and implementing (2nd column) the agreement differ. The Benelux was among the first to implement, in 1995 (= 2 decades).
Scandinavian countries joined ca. 1.5 decades ago.
And some Eastern European countries had to wait until their application for EU-membership was approved.
Selkie
30th April 2015, 10:13
I found the other thread. Title was: I think I'm finished with Red Ice Radio (link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78432-I-think-I-m-finished-with-Red-Ice-Radio))
When I was with John Lamb Lash, he was hard at work getting RIR to go over to a racist agenda...to go over to JLL's own anti-Jew, anti-Muslim, anti-gay agenda.
ulli
30th April 2015, 10:38
Planet earth is like a soup being prepared.
First the various ingredients are placed in the pot. Then heat is applied. Then the soup gets stirred, so that everything can blend.
If despite cheap travel people don't want to visit exotic far-away places and cultures for whatever reason, those places and cultures will be brought to them.
Without the slave trade several centuries ago there would be no such a person today, as an African American.
What makes today's situation harder is that a) it would be politically incorrect to put immigrants to work, and that b) the government is "dumping" them on the population, without proper back-up programs.
So the only answer is that local communities rise up, at least those who are willing and can see this reality for what it is, and form centers in their towns, and invite these traumatized immigrants and start socializing, doing pot luck meals, listening to each others stories....
Is this so hard to figure out? Think globally, act locally.
I was shocked last year at hearing Red Ice and Hendrik and JLL spouting their racist obscenities instead of putting their heads together to come up with friendly solutions.
Selkie
30th April 2015, 11:19
Planet earth is like a soup being prepared.
First the various ingredients are placed in the pot. Then heat is applied. Then the soup gets stirred, so that everything can blend.
If despite cheap travel people don't want to visit exotic far-away places and cultures for whatever reason, those places and cultures will be brought to them.
Without the slave trade several centuries ago there would be no such a person today, as an African American.
What makes today's situation harder is that a) it would be politically incorrect to put immigrants to work, and that b) the government is "dumping" them on the population, without proper back-up programs.
So the only answer is that local communities rise up, at least those who are willing and can see this reality for what it is, and form centers in their towns, and invite these traumatized immigrants and start socializing, doing pot luck meals, listening to each others stories....
Is this so hard to figure out? Think globally, act locally.
I was shocked last year at hearing Red Ice and Hendrik and JLL spouting their racist obscenities instead of putting their heads together to come up with friendly solutions.
A gentleman posted this on Face Book. It is a constructive, balanced look at immigration in Sweden, from a Swede.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=432678496895808&id=127138290783165
indigopete
30th April 2015, 11:45
So the only answer is that local communities rise up, at least those who are willing and can see this reality for what it is, and form centers in their towns, and invite these traumatized immigrants and start socializing, doing pot luck meals, listening to each others stories....
Do you have any experience of doing this ?
Real life isn't some kind of trashy holywood movie with a "bubbly" ending. For a start, many immigrant communities would probably feel totally patronised if you start offering them "pot luck meals" and mutual story telling sessions. It's very difficult to encourage them to even participate in regular community activities like school choirs or kids events because contrary to much of the sentiment expressed in this thread, they are not migrating for reasons of spiritual growth or 'mutual learning'.
Clearly there is always the odd exception, but most are simply surviving and are motivated by pure economics. It takes about 3 generations for any fundamental cultural integration to take root.
Also, I'd like to know what you find "racist" about Henrik's comments. I have never heard him utter a racist word, on the contrary I've found him to be one of the most embracing of all bloger / commentators I've even listened to. He is a defender of universal cultural diversity and the preservation of peoples. The fact that he includes his own in that mix doesn't make him racist in my opinion.
ulli
30th April 2015, 12:33
So the only answer is that local communities rise up, at least those who are willing and can see this reality for what it is, and form centers in their towns, and invite these traumatized immigrants and start socializing, doing pot luck meals, listening to each others stories....
Do you have any experience of doing this ?
Real life isn't some kind of trashy holywood movie with a "bubbly" ending. For a start, many immigrant communities would probably feel totally patronised if you start offering them "pot luck meals" and mutual story telling sessions. It's very difficult to encourage them to even participate in regular community activities like school choirs or kids events because contrary to much of the sentiment expressed in this thread, they are not migrating for reasons of spiritual growth or 'mutual learning'.
Clearly there is always the odd exception, but most are simply surviving and are motivated by pure economics. It takes about 3 generations for any fundamental cultural integration to take root.
Also, I'd like to know what you find "racist" about Henrik's comments. I have never heard him utter a racist word, on the contrary I've found him to be one of the most embracing of all bloger / commentators I've even listened to. He is a defender of universal cultural diversity and the preservation of peoples. The fact that he includes his own in that mix doesn't make him racist in my opinion.
Yes, I have. It starts out with a one on one situation. Very gradual process.
Dropping someone home after work, offering a lift in the car.
Then introducing the kids to each other. If the intent is right, and the process is not forced, it works.
The first meetings may be between less than half a dozen people.
Then someone introduces the suggestion to do this on a more regular basis.
I have seen it work, between blacks and whites. While the government in the US was failing with their busing policies, and corporations had to have a quota of black employees which only caused more harm than good.
I met a black psychologist while living in Barbados...he was from Boston and on vacation in Barbados, and when I asked him what his work was like he told me that as a psychologist he counseled blacks who were employed via these quota policies, only because it was the law, and these people were blocked from climbing the corporate ladder within the company.
So legislating racial tolerance doesn't work. Nor does spouting racial division.
Only when it is voluntary, and coming from the grassroots, between those who are ready to reach out and give it a try.
Slow process at first, but if there is a truly friendly intent it will soon gain momentum.
In two generations from now there will be lots of Swedes who will have olive skins and hazel eyes. ;)
indigopete
30th April 2015, 12:46
[QUOTE=indigopete;957229][QUOTE=ulli;957214]
Yes, I have. It starts out with a one on one situation. Very gradual process.
Dropping someone home after work, offering a lift in the car.
Then introducing the kids to each other. If the intent is right, and the process is not forced, it works.
The first meetings may be between less than half a dozen people.
ok, I accept that you do and admire your tenacity in that respect.
The kind of work you do can indeed be very productive in making racial integration work.
At the same time it frustrates me that the distinction between racial tolerance/integration and mass geopolitical 'engineering' gets so blurred. Would you be equally happy if white settlers started flooding onto native American reservations and started building miles of concrete housing estates there ?
There are 7 million Swedes and about 200 million muslims in the world. They have a right to assert a view as to what their immigration policy should be without being branded as 'racist'. I consider myself about as open minded as they come with regard to cultural diversity and yet I'm of the opinion that the policies they are pursuing are destructive and short sighted.
ulli
30th April 2015, 12:55
[QUOTE=indigopete;957229][QUOTE=ulli;957214]
Yes, I have. It starts out with a one on one situation. Very gradual process.
Dropping someone home after work, offering a lift in the car.
Then introducing the kids to each other. If the intent is right, and the process is not forced, it works.
The first meetings may be between less than half a dozen people.
ok, I accept that you do and admire your tenacity in that respect.
The kind of work you do can indeed be very productive in making racial integration work.
At the same time it frustrates me that the distinction between racial tolerance/integration and mass geopolitical 'engineering' gets so blurred. Would you be equally happy if white settlers started flooding onto native American reservations and started building miles of concrete housing estates there ?
There are 7 million Swedes and about 200 million muslims in the world. They have a right to assert a view as to what their immigration policy should be without being branded as 'racist'. I consider myself about as open minded as they come with regard to cultural diversity and yet I'm of the opinion that the policies they are pursuing are destructive and short sighted.
Time will tell if these policies are short sighted. Governments can't do everything.
The problem is that local governments are pretty ineffective these days
as the brighter sparks in the populations are not willing to go into public service at all.
Either want to become entrepreneurs and join the rat race,
or criticize their governments that nothing is being done for them.
So I'm just exploring other alternatives like voluntary participation at the local level.
This is what we are doing here in rural Costa Rica. My husband is a village doctor,
and we interact with the local people all the time,
even writing letters to the authorities to get them to release funds for better public transportation,
or fixing roads and bridges.
Debra
30th April 2015, 13:36
[QUOTE=indigopete;957229][QUOTE=ulli;957214]
Yes, I have. It starts out with a one on one situation. Very gradual process.
Dropping someone home after work, offering a lift in the car.
Then introducing the kids to each other. If the intent is right, and the process is not forced, it works.
The first meetings may be between less than half a dozen people.
ok, I accept that you do and admire your tenacity in that respect.
The kind of work you do can indeed be very productive in making racial integration work.
At the same time it frustrates me that the distinction between racial tolerance/integration and mass geopolitical 'engineering' gets so blurred. Would you be equally happy if white settlers started flooding onto native American reservations and started building miles of concrete housing estates there ?
There are 7 million Swedes and about 200 million muslims in the world. They have a right to assert a view as to what their immigration policy should be without being branded as 'racist'. I consider myself about as open minded as they come with regard to cultural diversity and yet I'm of the opinion that the policies they are pursuing are destructive and short sighted.
I absolutely respect your point of view Indigopete .. Everything you have said, I totally agree with. Walk in a Swede's shoes, first, please. As much as some people here disapprove of Henrik standing up for the preservation of his own race, and calling out on a system that stinks. Well, live in Sweden and you get the picture. The pressures and the problems caused by keeping the doors of Sweden wide open for years is real. Similar problems are encounted in Norway and it is being widely discussed around kitchen tables. And especially, about violence towards western women by certain immigrant groups. You bet. I have experienced it first hand. Freaked the life out of me and I was lucky to come out alive. Frightening. You can't just dismiss and denigrate sources that are coming up for air and publishing these stories. Believe you me, mainstream media in Sweden largely tries to cover these stories up.
Personally, I love cultural diversity - but mixing certain cultures together is fraught - and how the government is dealing with it is even worse. The social engineers who have created this nightmare ... I won't go on.
Ulli, I have seen plenty of social initiatives in Sweden to welcome immigrants from a government level to a local, personal level. Neighbour looking out for the new immigrant and finding ways to include them. However, now a lot of Swedes are waking up after being proud of their humanitarian reputation and now fear for their future. I know of one very proud socialist man who is dedicated to the ideas of inclusion and sharing and fairness. In the last two years, events in Sweden have done something quite extraordinary to him. He has broken from his hard core socialist programming and he is angry - angry at the government first and foremost for not dealing with these problems and managing the infrastructure fairly for all, but he has also woken up to the perversion of political correctness.
If something is wrong, then people should speak up. Period.
Very interesting thread. I think it is important to keep this issue out in the open.
ulli
30th April 2015, 13:53
[QUOTE=indigopete;957229][QUOTE=ulli;957214]
Yes, I have. It starts out with a one on one situation. Very gradual process.
Dropping someone home after work, offering a lift in the car.
Then introducing the kids to each other. If the intent is right, and the process is not forced, it works.
The first meetings may be between less than half a dozen people.
ok, I accept that you do and admire your tenacity in that respect.
The kind of work you do can indeed be very productive in making racial integration work.
At the same time it frustrates me that the distinction between racial tolerance/integration and mass geopolitical 'engineering' gets so blurred. Would you be equally happy if white settlers started flooding onto native American reservations and started building miles of concrete housing estates there ?
There are 7 million Swedes and about 200 million muslims in the world. They have a right to assert a view as to what their immigration policy should be without being branded as 'racist'. I consider myself about as open minded as they come with regard to cultural diversity and yet I'm of the opinion that the policies they are pursuing are destructive and short sighted.
I absolutely respect your point of view Indigopete .. Everything you have said, I totally agree with. Walk in a Swede's shoes, first, please. As much as some people here disapprove of Henrik standing up for the preservation of his own race, and calling out on a system that stinks. Well, live in Sweden and you get the picture. The pressures and the problems caused by keeping the doors of Sweden wide open for years is real. Similar problems are encounted in Norway and it is discussed around kitchen tables. And especially, violence towards western women by certain immigrant groups. You bet. I have experienced it first hand. Freaked the life out of me and I was lucky to come out alive. Frightening. You can't just dismiss and denigrate sources that are coming up for air and publishing these stories. Believe you me, mainstream media largely tries cover this up.
Personally, I love cultural diversity - but mixing certain cultures together is fraught - and how the government is dealing with it is even worse. The social engineers who have created this nightmare ... I won't go on.
Ulli, I have seen plenty of social initiatives in Sweden to welcome immigrants from a government level to a local, personal level. Neighbour looking out for the new immigrant and finding ways to include them. However, now a lot of Swedes are waking up after being proud of their humanitarian reputation and now fear for their future. I know of one very proud socialist man who is dedicated to the ideas of inclusion and sharing and fairness. In the last two years, events in Sweden have done something quite extraordinary to him. He has broken from his hard core socialist programming and he is angry - angry at the government first and foremost for not dealing with these problems and managing the infrastructure fairly for all, but he has also woken up to the perversion of political correctness.
If something is wrong, then people should speak up. Period.
Very interesting thread. I think it is important to keep this issue out in the open.
Well I was once a young and pretty blonde, with blue eyes and long legs and a name like Ulla, and everyone thought I was a Swede who had come to Barbados for their sexually promiscuous men. When they found out that I was married to a member of the white (and wealthy) minority I became a target of a different kind...and was treated with incredible hostility, as it was then assumed I was a racist. Anyway, I am only throwing this in here because these are issues I have lived with for more than half of my life, and seen the problems from all sides.
I could do a lot more sharing, like about waking up in the night and screaming my guts out while a masked thief was approaching my bed. And my screams made him run away, thank God. But after that it took me nearly six months to recover.
I came to the conclusion that this stuff will eventually happen all over the world as long as nothing is being done about the crazy inequality, the brainwashing, the extremes of wealth and poverty. Offering sympathy to people going through it now...sure, I have plenty. It is a tough ride. But this too shall pass...and soon you will be telling others "been there, done that." Even if it is irritating.
But each immigrant has a story far more horrific than any of us westerners who like me had a few nights sleep interrupted.
In Barbados they are still circulating stories of the survivors that arrived on those slave ships, passed down the generations.
ulli
30th April 2015, 14:02
[QUOTE=indigopete;957229][QUOTE=ulli;957214]
Yes, I have. It starts out with a one on one situation. Very gradual process.
Dropping someone home after work, offering a lift in the car.
Then introducing the kids to each other. If the intent is right, and the process is not forced, it works.
The first meetings may be between less than half a dozen people.
ok, I accept that you do and admire your tenacity in that respect.
The kind of work you do can indeed be very productive in making racial integration work.
At the same time it frustrates me that the distinction between racial tolerance/integration and mass geopolitical 'engineering' gets so blurred. Would you be equally happy if white settlers started flooding onto native American reservations and started building miles of concrete housing estates there ?
There are 7 million Swedes and about 200 million muslims in the world. They have a right to assert a view as to what their immigration policy should be without being branded as 'racist'. I consider myself about as open minded as they come with regard to cultural diversity and yet I'm of the opinion that the policies they are pursuing are destructive and short sighted.
I'm all for free speech.
Actually, I'm for dialogues which can continue until all sides are agreeing on a win-win solution.
And not all free speech is effective in getting there, and sometimes dialogue breaks down especially when the intent is to maintain racial purity at all cost. Because I can guarantee that fate or destiny will creep up like a shadow from behind and then the confrontations will soon lead to bloodshed.
It's tricky.
Carmody
30th April 2015, 14:48
Think of it this way, if it helps:
The child of humanity can't be protected forever.
Let the kid get dirty, and see what comes of it.
So we can either fall back, cry and suckle on teats, or move forward in whatever way we do, under the given circumstances, forced or otherwise.
Take charge, in whatever fashion, or fall back, in whatever fashion. 'Wake up' games, with no punches pulled. Real world stuff.
In a universe with thousands of different biological entities, even across dimensions... with widely varied levels of intellect and act, it is never going to get any easier. It will only be far harder, far more difficult.
panopticon
30th April 2015, 16:12
Firstly, thanks for presenting this information.
I've had a good hard look at this today and the statistics in relation to sexual assault (sexualbrott) in Sweden did indeed rise slightly (0.5%) in 2013. This was up from the fairly flat decade long average of 0.8% and may represent a single spike in reporting of sexual assault for any number of possible reasons (for example a government advertising campaign would produce this kind of across the board increase).
These statistics are not straight forward and are easy to misinterpret. They are to do with incidences of sexual assault as initially reported to police (not as the result of conviction for offense) and include those cases where a person accused is found innocent. In addition, while the definition of "sexual assault" includes "rape" it is far more than that and is a very broad classification.
Around 50% of persons reporting sexual assault had been assaulted multiple times (43% reported being assaulted 2 to 10 times and 7% more than 10 times). In addition the stats I was looking at show that the incidence of sexual assault in cities, major towns and rural area were about the same (1.3% - 1.4%) in 2013 and ethnicity etc of the person reporting (whether new immigrant, child of immigrant or multi-generational) did not appear to be a factor. Meaning newly immigrant women are represented as being sexually assaulted in the statistics as often as longer term residents.
Around 36% of sexual assaults occurred in public places, 31% in workplace or schools, 21% occurred in the home and 12% somewhere else.
Only 11% were relatives of the person reporting the sexual assault, 33% were someone they knew and 56% were someone either unidentified or unknown to them. It has been mentioned by statisticians familiar with the questioning process used that while the assault may have been done by a family member or someone familiar to them the person reporting the assault may not initially report this and as a result the statistics may be skewed to the unidentified/unknown assailant as only the initial questionnaire answers are included in the statistics.
I've found no statistical evidence to indicate that Muslim immigrants are over represented in the reporting of sexual assault. This doesn't mean they aren't. As cultural norms change, the likelihood of women who have shifted countries being encouraged to report an assault increases. As I've seen no statistical evidence to indicate that migrant women are not part of the cohort (the reverse is reported - there is even distribution) I'm inclined to view that the 0.5% increase may be to do with a combination of a government advertising campaign and a group of recently migrated women reporting their sexual assault by family members etc (eg husbands, male friends).
Of the reported sexual assaults 47% were classified as rapes. Of these I have not found stats to do with what number of cases were continued and what of those ended in conviction. The only information I came across was from Amnesty International (2008) reporting that only 12% of those reporting rape get to court (ie 12% of the 47% classified as rapes or... 98000 reported a sexual assault, 47% of these are classified as rape so 46,000 and 12% of those get to court, so around 5500 court cases or ~0.08% of the population aged 16-79 yrs if the 2008 12% figure is applicable to the 2013 data set).
BTW, the Christian Broadcasting Network is probably not the best source of information. It is a US conservative Christian organisation and might be inclined to present a negative image of Muslims. Hanne Herland is a conservative author who was bought up in Africa and has a MA in religious history. The Stone Gate Institute (now the Gate Stone Institute -- nothing if not imaginative) is a right wing conservative think tank. The Norwegian rape statistics is a case of misreporting/misinterpretation (whether deliberate or through lack of understanding how data is presented) and appears to have originated with a far right wing Israeli blogger.
What is interesting is that I haven't come across anyone claiming that the decline in the decadal average for men as victims of muggings and assaults in Sweden is due to Muslim immigration...
That's right, men are less likely to be mugged or assaulted now than a decade ago (while statistics for women have remained about the same).
-- Pan
References:
The Swedish Crime Survey 2014: Concerning exposure to crime, insecurity and confidence (https://www.bra.se/download/18.5e2a4a6b14ab1667599bd3/1423496794550/2015_Swedish_Crime_Survey_2014_summary.pdf)
National Crime Survey (2014) (https://www.bra.se/download/18.5e2a4a6b14ab1667599108/1422265396175/2015_1_NTU_2014.pdf) [Nationella trygghetsundersökningen 2014]
Case Closed: Rape and human rights in the nordic countries (http://www.amnesty.dk/sites/default/files/mediafiles/44/case-closed.pdf)
von Hofer, Hanns, 2000. Crime statistics as constructs: The case of Swedish Rape Statistics (http://libgen.in/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1023%2Fa%3A1008713631586). European Journal on Criminal Policy and Research 8: 77–89.
InCiDeR
1st May 2015, 01:06
This is such a multifaceted, complex and complicated topic so I do not even know where to start.
For 6 years I've worked for the Swedish government on a grassroot level in a special project. My mission was to help people that was born abroad to find a home, place and work here in Sweden on their arrival and also people that had been here for quite some time. It included contact with employers in any means possible, knocking on their door, phoning, letters etc. To convince them that the person I cooperated with was as good as a born Swede. In the same time I worked very close and personal with the individuals, to better to get to know their background, beliefs, culture makeup and so on and so forth. I often also met their family in their home. Sometimes when they got a job I worked along them for a couple of days to make sure they understood the security instructions and rules at their working place.
During my summer vacation I traveled north and worked as a volunteer with the indigenous people, Sami people, in both Norway and Sweden. In Sweden they have a different problem yet in a way correlated to the issue of immigration. However the situation for the norwegian Sami people are very different than those of Sweden. In Norway Sami people are much more accepted into the society.
I have fought so many fights with my own employer regarding regulations and principles so I am not able to count. In the mean time I could not speak totally freely from heart because they would have probably fired me, so it was a balancing act every day every hour.
I have been called racist at least once everyday by the people I was trying to help. I have been called traitor by the employers I've been visiting when trying to present my candidate for the job. I have seen all the fear, racism, misunderstanding, hatred, sorrow, happiness, and rigidness and all in between. I have experienced and learned a lot during the years, but for the time being I have no strength to make some sense of it in some forum posts. In that case I would have to write a book.
I spent so many hours every day, during weekends and all year around, so I finally reached a point where I had to stop for a while.... and breathe.
However, I personally prefer to be careful when labeling a whole population based on the few, especially when it comes to immigrants or nationality. And as some of you already stated, the issue is not the immigrants themselves, but the mechanism behind why imigration occurs in the first place and how it is received and handled by the countries they arrive to. Forced by who and for what reason, well I think we have at least an idea .
I think I speak for all of them in one thing though. They are no different than their neighbour in the core. They want a roof over their head, warmth, food on the table, safety for themselves and their families... simply a place to call home.
I have cried so many times after my working hours in frustration for the stupidity how some things work in the so called reality here and how simple it would be to change things if it wasn't for some regulations, politics and mentality. I have also shred countless of tears for the heartbreaking stories of those people that I worked with and also in happiness when we together found a solution for the better in their life and family.
For all of you, you are all still in my heart, I am now here representing your voice for you have not the luxury to do so. Speaking on behalf of those who can no longer speak, those who are afraid to speak, and those who wish to speak but are afraid they will not be heard.
In eternity with peace
InCiDeR
Tangri
1st May 2015, 01:44
Planet earth is like a soup being prepared.
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A gentleman posted this on Face Book. It is a constructive, balanced look at immigration in Sweden, from a Swede.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=432678496895808&id=127138290783165
Just a friendly reminder.
Some of us, refuse to use Facebook and it is impossible to see what he posted without membership log in.
Edit
Sorry, :blushing: , It doesn't need a log in.
I hear you InCIDeR :)
I spent 30 years in the systems of welfare,unemployment,education,national and local governments,training facilitation, federal and provincial corrections, addictions arena, plus family support work. You can tell that I moved around quite a bit in those 30 years due to not consenting to many of the protocols, etc and doing things the functional way for the individual involved.........broke many rules under cover and quite enjoyed watching the success the person created by their own sense and knowing of how to and personal empowerment.
Thank you for your service to mankind, you are to be respected, valued and admired for sifting through all the garbage in the systems to truly just help a fellow human in need. Whether we carry a label such as , male, female, child, adult, immigrant, slouch, criminal, outsider, race, culture, teacher, student, etc., under it all, we all operate from the common core of feelings and we all have the same ones. Love and Fear being the tip of the iceberg on either side of the coin, .........and they are messages from out infinite soul. Thank you for your strength in being deeply in touch with your soul and getting passed fear to be the compassionate BEING you are. :hug:
This is such a multifaceted, complex and complicated topic so I do not even know where to start.
For 6 years I've worked for the Swedish government on a grassroot level in a special project. My mission was to help people that was born abroad to find a home, place and work here in Sweden on their arrival and also people that had been here for quite some time. It included contact with employers in any means possible, knocking on their door, phoning, letters etc. To convince them that the person I cooperated with was as good as a born Swede. In the same time I worked very close and personal with the individuals, to better to get to know their background, beliefs, culture makeup and so on and so forth. I often also met their family in their home. Sometimes when they got a job I worked along them for a couple of days to make sure they understood the security instructions and rules at their working place.
During my summer vacation I traveled north and worked as a volunteer with the indigenous people, Sami people, in both Norway and Sweden. In Sweden they have a different problem yet in a way correlated to the issue of immigration. However the situation for the norwegian Sami people are very different than those of Sweden. In Norway Sami people are much more accepted into the society.
I have fought so many fights with my own employer regarding regulations and principles so I am not able to count. In the mean time I could not speak totally freely from heart because they would have probably fired me, so it was a balancing act every day every hour.
I have been called racist at least once everyday by the people I was trying to help. I have been called traitor by the employers I've been visiting when trying to present my candidate for the job. I have seen all the fear, racism, misunderstanding, hatred, sorrow, happiness, and rigidness and all in between. I have experienced and learned a lot during the years, but for the time being I have no strength to make some sense of it in some forum posts. In that case I would have to write a book.
I spent so many hours every day, during weekends and all year around, so I finally reached a point where I had to stop for a while.... and breathe.
However, I personally prefer to be careful when labeling a whole population based on the few, especially when it comes to immigrants or nationality. And as some of you already stated, the issue is not the immigrants themselves, but the mechanism behind why imigration occurs in the first place and how it is received and handled by the countries they arrive to. Forced by who and for what reason, well I think we have at least an idea .
I think I speak for all of them in one thing though. They are no different than their neighbour in the core. They want a roof over their head, warmth, food on the table, safety for themselves and their families... simply a place to call home.
I have cried so many times after my working hours in frustration for the stupidity how some things work in the so called reality here and how simple it would be to change things if it wasn't for some regulations, politics and mentality. I have also shred countless of tears for the heartbreaking stories of those people that I worked with and also in happiness when we together found a solution for the better in their life and family.
For all of you, you are all still in my heart, I am now here representing your voice for you have not the luxury to do so. Speaking on behalf of those who can no longer speak, those who are afraid to speak, and those who wish to speak but are afraid they will not be heard.
In eternity with peace
InCiDeR
InCiDeR
1st May 2015, 03:37
I hear you InCIDeR :)
I spent 30 years in the systems of welfare,unemployment,education,national and local governments,training facilitation, federal and provincial corrections, addictions arena, plus family support work. You can tell that I moved around quite a bit in those 30 years due to not consenting to many of the protocols, etc and doing things the functional way for the individual involved.........broke many rules under cover and quite enjoyed watching the success the person created by their own sense and knowing of how to and personal empowerment.
Thank you for your service to mankind, you are to be respected, valued and admired for sifting through all the garbage in the systems to truly just help a fellow human in need. Whether we carry a label such as , male, female, child, adult, immigrant, slouch, criminal, outsider, race, culture, teacher, student, etc., under it all, we all operate from the common core of feelings and we all have the same ones. Love and Fear being the tip of the iceberg on either side of the coin, .........and they are messages from out infinite soul. Thank you for your strength in being deeply in touch with your soul and getting passed fear to be the compassionate BEING you are. :hug:
Thank you from my heart to yours sandy, it means a lot to me. I took some time for my response because it is hard to write with watering eyes. :heart:
panopticon
1st May 2015, 04:13
This is such a multifaceted, complex and complicated topic so I do not even know where to start.
For 6 years I've worked for the Swedish government on a grassroot level in a special project. My mission was to help people that was born abroad to find a home, place and work here in Sweden on their arrival and also people that had been here for quite some time. It included contact with employers in any means possible, knocking on their door, phoning, letters etc. To convince them that the person I cooperated with was as good as a born Swede. In the same time I worked very close and personal with the individuals, to better to get to know their background, beliefs, culture makeup and so on and so forth. I often also met their family in their home. Sometimes when they got a job I worked along them for a couple of days to make sure they understood the security instructions and rules at their working place.
During my summer vacation I traveled north and worked as a volunteer with the indigenous people, Sami people, in both Norway and Sweden. In Sweden they have a different problem yet in a way correlated to the issue of immigration. However the situation for the norwegian Sami people are very different than those of Sweden. In Norway Sami people are much more accepted into the society.
I have fought so many fights with my own employer regarding regulations and principles so I am not able to count. In the mean time I could not speak totally freely from heart because they would have probably fired me, so it was a balancing act every day every hour.
I have been called racist at least once everyday by the people I was trying to help. I have been called traitor by the employers I've been visiting when trying to present my candidate for the job. I have seen all the fear, racism, misunderstanding, hatred, sorrow, happiness, and rigidness and all in between. I have experienced and learned a lot during the years, but for the time being I have no strength to make some sense of it in some forum posts. In that case I would have to write a book.
I spent so many hours every day, during weekends and all year around, so I finally reached a point where I had to stop for a while.... and breathe.
However, I personally prefer to be careful when labeling a whole population based on the few, especially when it comes to immigrants or nationality. And as some of you already stated, the issue is not the immigrants themselves, but the mechanism behind why imigration occurs in the first place and how it is received and handled by the countries they arrive to. Forced by who and for what reason, well I think we have at least an idea .
I think I speak for all of them in one thing though. They are no different than their neighbour in the core. They want a roof over their head, warmth, food on the table, safety for themselves and their families... simply a place to call home.
I have cried so many times after my working hours in frustration for the stupidity how some things work in the so called reality here and how simple it would be to change things if it wasn't for some regulations, politics and mentality. I have also shred countless of tears for the heartbreaking stories of those people that I worked with and also in happiness when we together found a solution for the better in their life and family.
For all of you, you are all still in my heart, I am now here representing your voice for you have not the luxury to do so. Speaking on behalf of those who can no longer speak, those who are afraid to speak, and those who wish to speak but are afraid they will not be heard.
In eternity with peace
InCiDeR
G'day Incider,
Thank you for sharing your story and your efforts to assist people in need.
It is never easy working in an environment where there are no simple solutions. That's what is often forgotten by those who shout loud simplistic slogans and fudge data to back up their claims. There are no simple answers or easy solutions.
Because of this thread I've been reading about the problems facing migrants to Sweden and your post reflects what I would imagine (from similar experiences) the situation for field/frontline staff would be.
What seems to be getting glossed over by others is the level of trauma suffered by immigrants prior to their arrival in Sweden.
I was reading this paper (http://libgen.in/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1007%2Fs00127-007-0280-2) and for those who are interested I'd advise a quick gloss over (it's quite technical in parts -- you've been warned!).
When 40% of respondents to a questionaire are reporting that they were tortured/systematically assaulted and 28% are reporting having been imprisoned in their country of origin they are going to have difficulties "integrating" into anything.
Add to that the reported abuse from the local population and the finaincial hardship the immigrants face is it any wonder that suicides amongst immigrants is higher than the Swedish average.
Essentially this is a group of people with a high percentage suffering from post traumatic stress disorder who are "released" into the Swedish population. There are obviously programs in place to assist them but how many take advantage of these? Probably not as many as should. Also, if Sweden is anything like Australia, the services are under funded and under staffed. This leads to burnout amongst staff and frustration amongst what here is euphemistically referred to as "clients".
Again, there are no simple solutions to this.
The long term aim of course would be to improve conditions throughout the world so people aren't fleeing persecution.
-- Pan
Reference:
Fredrik Lindencrona, Solvig Ekblad, and Edvard Hauff. 2008. Mental health of recently resettled refugees from the Middle East in Sweden: the impact of pre-resettlement trauma, resettlement stress and capacity to handle stress (http://libgen.in/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1007%2Fs00127-007-0280-2). Social psychiatry and psychiatric epidemiology, 43 (2), 121-31
WhiteLove
1st May 2015, 05:39
Immigration is the new "hate theme", legal or illegal, in the US or elsewhere. All you have to do is to ask yourself this question: Is this inclusive and loving, or separating and hateful? Then you understand what immigration protests mean. It is wanted by the dark cabal so that separation, hatred and conflict will occur among the people to make them weak and powerless, while the cabal carries out its agenda for the beast. Henrik has a soul lesson to learn.
Countries should not even exist, because they create separation. We need one big undivided land ruled by a people in love and peace. We cannot become free, we cannot reach the stars, before we start working for the whole.
kersley
1st May 2015, 12:35
This Emigration thing belongs in the bin. 2015 and we're still fighting about what land belongs to who?
This whole planet belongs to me and every single one of you. We were all born here.
We should all be free to travel without restrictions, passports, visa's permissions etc... it's been too long. we need to grow up and see that we're all one.
We often forget how much unites all the members of humanity, Perhaps we need some outside universal threats to make us recognise this common bond.
I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world". ( Ronald Reagan 21 September 1987)
transiten
16th May 2015, 20:17
Ok, something went wrong as I was answering ullis post, and since it's impossible to erase a post I could just as well write something: Mercury is already messing with communication. Be prepared for misunderstandings, disinformation, loosing things, delays, doing things over and over, computor problems but also old friends popping up which happened to me twice today. I also could not find my wallet and reported it to the police and blocked my Visa Card only to find it in a drawer 1 hour later where i had put it while looking for stockings....
transiten
16th May 2015, 20:32
Planet earth is like a soup being prepared.
First the various ingredients are placed in the pot. Then heat is applied. Then the soup gets stirred, so that everything can blend.
If despite cheap travel people don't want to visit exotic far-away places and cultures for whatever reason, those places and cultures will be brought to them.
Without the slave trade several centuries ago there would be no such a person today, as an African American.
What makes today's situation harder is that a) it would be politically incorrect to put immigrants to work, and that b) the government is "dumping" them on the population, without proper back-up programs.
So the only answer is that local communities rise up, at least those who are willing and can see this reality for what it is, and form centers in their towns, and invite these traumatized immigrants and start socializing, doing pot luck meals, listening to each others stories....
Is this so hard to figure out? Think globally, act locally.
I was shocked last year at hearing Red Ice and Hendrik and JLL spouting their racist obscenities instead of putting their heads together to come up with friendly solutions.
Thanks ulli! :hug: You "took the words out of my mouth" as we say in Sweden.
All the same I can understand pple are afraid; there has been a lot of deadly shooting among drugdealers in Gothenburg in areas with a lot of immigrants but the solution cannot be voting for the "Swedish Democrats" with roots in the Nazi movement. The world is being destabilized by this Power Elite, divide and rule and as long as pple don't know the root cause of war and poverty fear and confusion will rule.
transiten
16th May 2015, 21:12
Immigration is the new "hate theme", legal or illegal, in the US or elsewhere. All you have to do is to ask yourself this question: Is this inclusive and loving, or separating and hateful? Then you understand what immigration protests mean. It is wanted by the dark cabal so that separation, hatred and conflict will occur among the people to make them weak and powerless, while the cabal carries out its agenda for the beast. Henrik has a soul lesson to learn.
Countries should not even exist, because they create separation. We need one big undivided land ruled by a people in love and peace. We cannot become free, we cannot reach the stars, before we start working for the whole.
Totally agree although there will be tribultaions upon our different lifepaths/timelines arriving there....
CarlS
20th May 2015, 23:05
I would imagine the immigration situation is due to the control system. 150 years ago plundering and pillaging was done overtly. Now the bankers covertly plunder third world countries with their corporations. If,on the rare occasion, they fail, they use the military of one of the countries that the bankers own, like the USA, England, etc. (Read USMC Gen. Smedley Butler's retirement speech - 1933).
The solution is for everyone to stop supporting the control system. Stop buying things from corporations. Stop using banks and their subsidiaries. Move to the country and grow you own food. Sell your TV.
But if you are reading this, you already know this. I'm preaching to the choir. But we are only 1% of 1%. We need to work with even more vigour to inform those who don't know. They are our brother and sisters, no matter what country they were born in, literally.
According to the Farsight Institute, when the Atlantians drilled through the Earth's crust to try to gain access to magma for power production, they killed all but around 2000 women. All people are related to those few who survived 70,000 years ago.
Everyday I share a tidbit with someone new in an attempt to peek their curiosity in order to spur them into the rabbit hole.
I also try to keep learning and being the change... (love).
Iloveyou
31st May 2015, 14:33
“Despite continued dynamic the European refugee policy has not become more professional . . .” :facepalm:
Hervé
7th February 2017, 18:20
Swedish veteran cop rants about immigrant crimes on Facebook, ignites nationwide row (https://www.rt.com/news/376582-sweden-cop-immigrant-crime/)
RT (https://www.rt.com/news/376582-sweden-cop-immigrant-crime/) Tue, 07 Feb 2017 17:16 UTC
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A Swedish police investigator triggered a media tsunami with a Facebook post linking violent crimes with immigrants. Peter Springare received an outpouring of support from fellow officers and common Swedes, as well as some accusations of racism.
Springare is a senior investigator at the serious crimes division at the Örebro Police Department with 47 years under his belt. In the Saturday post (https://www.facebook.com/peter.springare/posts/10208300682343230?pnref=story) he said what he was going to say would not be politically correct and that saying such things could harm an officer's position or pay grade, but he was about to retire and didn't care.
"Here we go; this is what I've handled from Monday-Friday this week: rape, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, rape-assault and rape, extortion, blackmail, assault, violence against police, threats to police, drug crime, drugs, crime, felony, attempted murder, rape again, extortion again and ill-treatment," he wrote.
"Suspected perpetrators; Ali Mohammed, Mahmod, Mohammed, Mohammed Ali, again, again, again. Christopher... what, is it true? Yes, a Swedish name snuck in on the edges of a drug crime. Mohammed, Mahmod Ali, again and again," he added.
The post goes on to identify the origins of the suspects.
"Countries representing all the crimes this week: Iraq, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Somalia, Syria again, Somalia, unknown, unknown country, Sweden. Half of the suspects, we can't be sure because they don't have any valid papers. Which in itself usually means that they're lying about their nationality and identity."
The post steered waves in Sweden and has since received over 36,000 'likes' and 16,000 'shares' by Tuesday. People supporting Springare's words started a group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/279528999133185?view=info) on Facebook with over 75,000 members. Among the people voicing support of the opinion were fellow police officers, both serving and retired.
According to news website Nyheter Idag, the police station where Springare works received (http://nyheteridag.se/forbud-att-fotografera-60-talet-blombuketter-som-skickats-till-peter-springare/) at least 60 bouquets of flowers addressed to him on Monday - a "bloombomb" from admirers.
Others were not happy with the investigator's remark, calling him right-wing or even racist. The post was referred to the special prosecutors' office, which handles crimes involving law enforcement, to see whether it violated police regulations, according to Swedish media.
National Police Commissioner Dan Eliasson said that it was important to distinguish what an officer does in the line of duty and outside of it.
"When he acts in his professional capacity, he should be extremely careful with issues of ethnicity. If he wants to talk about the problems of crime among immigrants in his spare time, he has freedom of expression like any other," he told P4 Extra radio, adding that he knows Springare as a "very good person."
In a second post (https://www.facebook.com/peter.springare/posts/10208304206871341?pnref=story), Springare denied accusations of right-wing sympathies.
"If you can't discuss the problem of crime among immigrants without somebody attributing it to racist propaganda, we are in deep trouble," he said. "The problem is that nobody wants to talk about this."
Establishing facts about how crime rates correlate with perpetrators belonging to the immigrant community is not the same thing as branding all immigrants criminals, Springare said explaining his position.
Swedish police reportedly has significant problems tackling crime in some parts of the country. There are allegedly at least 55 areas in Sweden, where the law cannot be fully upheld, which are dubbed 'no-go zones' by the media.
ponda
22nd February 2017, 08:45
New video from Paul Joseph Watson about immigration problems in Sweden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPtNON6sHXw&t=1s
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