Dr. John E. Mack

[Liis]

John Mack was a Pulitzer Prize winner and Harvard professor who came to believe that Contact was real. He died before Project Camelot was formed, but here is a great 2 hour talk about what he believed the Et/Alien experience meant: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=685085385914178771#
Sorry if you guys have already discussed this.

[mojo]

Hi All,
After reading the thread by The One, about, '62 children witnessing a UFO landing' and John Mack interviewing. I thought it would be neat to create another thread just about John Mack. I owe him alot since he helped me understand my own contact experience better then any other researchers information I came across. In particular the contactee Carlos of chapter 14. Carlos under hypnosis by John Mack shares a history of what he calls "visionary " experiences.
In 1970, Carlos was invited by an Angelican priest visiting his hometown to do a work of art for the Church of St. Michael's and All Saints in Tollcros, Edinburgh. On Easter Sunday, after Carlos had been on the island of Iona for about 3 days he had an encounter with light beings.
Interestingly enough, in my own encounters I have seen what he describes. I havent been on the craft yet, but everything else is very similar even the same type of light beings he sees, up to the bald white head. I have even seen the beings of light peer out the portals of the craft less then 50 feet away which made me me cry tears of joy.
Here is what John Mack writes about them from Carlos under one hypnosis session:

"The actual encounter, as recalled under hypnosis, began with a shift of consciousness after Carlos urinated and he experienced himself ascending to and in through the bottom of a ship in a laserlike tunnel of light. On the ship he found himself facing "a sweet little creature" who took him along passages on the ship. At the beginning of the encounter the creature seemed to draw him from one enclosure to another by reaching out its arm. Several types of alien beings were involved in his encounter. There were "little light creatures" like the one who accompanied him through the ship and escorted him down passageways. "They scurry round dronelike, very busy, and pay no attention to me" once within the structure, and they performed various functions. Their heads were round and white, with no hair, "like a bald person." He percieved their eyes as "bright, deep luminous blue," rather than black which is more commonly reported by other encountrants; Carlos explained, however, that the color changes, and it is not just a matter of perception. "The color has to do with communication and control."

I am not the only one experiencing this type of enounter. Many people worldwide are seeing and filming this type of experience that Carlos describes, and they may not know what they are seeing. I hope after they read the paragraph from John Mack it will help them understand what it is they are in contact with. Sure there are other types of contact experiences, but some may be like the Carlos encounters and if that is you than we have something in common. You may even notice the things Carlos describes in my videos, best wishes...

[Redtailhawk]

Here is an excerpt below on how Abduction and John Mack changed my life. It led to me becoming a research subject of John Mack's to management of his program PEER (Program for Extraordinary Research) funded by Lawrence Rockefeller.

"In April of 1994, when Abduction was released, I eagerly bought two copies (one for my friend), hot off the press from the Seven Stars bookstore in Cambridge, Massachusetts. I began reading the book immediately and found it most engaging, almost every word spoke to me in a way that affirmed my own feelings and experiences. Although I do not have conscious memories of being abducted, much of the content seemed to be triggering me at a very deep level. And as I read more, synchronicities began to occur. Just one month later, on May 4th, I was living in Northampton, Massachusetts. I returned home from a class I had at UMASS-Amherst. It was dusk, and for some reason I parked my car in the opposite direction than I usually did. I picked up my copy of Abduction from the passenger’s seat, and got out of my car. Immediately I felt the sense of someone or something watching me from behind. I turned and looked up, and saw in the sky 2 white orbs of lights just “sitting” there, seemingly staring at me. In a split second I thought this must be a plane, but, then I thought, planes don’t just don’t sit there. The lights seemed to be reacting to my thoughts, and I thought “Holy sh** this is a UFO” and instantly the lights began to dance, multiply, change colors and began to drift from east to west. I was beside myself, standing in the road looking up in awe, and clasping my copy of Abduction. Passing people in cars saw me looking up, and pulled over to view what I was watching. I ran in to my apartment and grabbed my roommate and her friends, who came out to watch. I particularly wanted Paul, my upstairs neighbor, a skeptic, to see this. Paul and I stood arm in arm tightly holding on to one another, watching these lights make dramatic displays of motion and color. They peaked out at what I counted as 22 lights. At one point I thought if 3 of the lights move to form a triangle right now I will know that they are in telepathic communications with me, and instantly they did! Paul said he would never doubt again. The entire sighting lasted for about 30 minutes. The erratic lights eventually settled down to 2 white orbs and drifted over the horizon. The local newspaper, The Daily Hampshire Gazette covered the story the following day, and my experience was mentioned...."

Followed by strange visitors:

"Returning home from my vacation on Martha’s Vineyard, I was at my office in Northampton, at the time I was managing a small environmental non-profit organization. Rarely did we get visitors, and so I was surprised when two androgynous looking people showed up in our office. I was busy with some task and these two people asked a couple of my colleagues if they could have permission to put up a flyer, and went on to ask, “is anyone here interested in UFO’s…” Knowing about my experiences 3 months prior, my colleagues all pointed to me. These strange visitors handed me a flyer entitled, UFOs, Space Aliens, And Their Final Fight for Earth’s Spoils. These two seemed a bit peculiar, but so was this whole topic. I read that the event would happen that evening on August 9th at the Jones Public Library in Amherst. I showed up promptly at 7pm. There were approximately 50 people in the audience, and a panel with the 2 I had met earlier. Little did I know, as I sat there innocently, that I was listening to Marshall Applewhite, the Heavens Gate leader, who would become famous a few years later for the worst mass suicide on U.S. soil. I studied them carefully; although what they were espousing seemed far out to me, I remained open. I thought for sure this would end with some sort of sales pitch. But the only pitch was that they were a crew from the evolutionary level above human, and this was a last ditch chance to advance beyond human. They believed that there were UFO’s that would be coming to pick them up soon and said there would be many more after that, but they intended on catching a lift on one of the first motherships. I was getting tired, and the library was closing and kicking us out. But before I left, I decided to go up and ask Applewhite what his ultimate purpose was, that he was not asking for financial support, what did he want from all of us. He simply replied, “nothing my dear, we are just spreading the word, and you are welcome to come along with us if you would like.” Obviously, I did not go! A few years later in 1997 they all committed suicide. Coincidentally, this was during the time of comet Hale Bopp, and the Phoenix lights, so perhaps they really did catch a lift on one of those ships.

I left that meeting with an overwhelming sense of how important discernment is. That somehow I have attracted a bizarre set of circumstances, and with all these synchronicities occurring, I felt I needed some sound help to de-brief, and help me to better understand this strange world of the paranormal I was now living in...."

These experiences and others are what led me to explore the paranormal and consciousness with John Mack. He is/was profoundly important in my life, like a father to me. He guides me a lot and shows up in my dreams often. Someday I hope to share some of the research I gathered after he was killed working with laboratory proven mediums and funded by the Mack Institute.

Light,
Maria

[MariaDine]

http://books.google.com/books?id=IZoumdivwAIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=abduction&hl=pt-PT&ei=DhXsTbnjDIy5hAfxjqm6Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-preview-link&resnum=4&ved=0CDkQuwUwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false

[mojo]

Thank you for sharing that story Redtailhawk. I would like to hear more about the work you did for John Mack it sounds interesting. Also thank you for the link MariaDine.

[Redtailhawk]

Here is a new website created for experiencers by the John Mack Institute.

http://experiencers.com/

[Redtailhawk]

This is a photo of John Mack taken in Vermont just 3 months before he was killed.

[MariaDine]

This is an excerpt from the two-part, 60-minute DVD.
http://www.thinkingallowed.com/2jmack.html

Psychiatrist John Mack discusses clinical case histories involving memories of alien encounters. He suggests that these cases transcend dualistic categories, such as reality/fantasy, physical/mental, true/false. He argues that UFO abductions differ from past-life memories, near-death experiences and satanic ritual abuse because of the presence of corroborating physical evidence.

John Mack, M.D., professor of psychiatry at Harvard, received a Pulitzer Prize for his biography of T. E. Lawrence and is author of Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U1WecFObQw



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz5RSAfwxGw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz5RSAfwxGw

[MariaDine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Ibolcw8dw&NR=1

[The One]

Great Watch

Dr. John E. Mack appears only briefly in this film, his death having occurred soon after production began. More substantial are visits to the New England countryside with experiencers, including one couple who videotaped an unidentified flying object hovering above a lake a few hours before they were abducted from their lakeside cottage. Also in this film, is the New York artist and alien encounter investigator Budd Hopkins. Although this documentary is similar to other documentaries commonly seen on American cable television, it has a more leisurely pace and gives more time for the experiencers to explain themselves than is commonly granted in US productions. One of the best interviews in the program is not with an experiencer at all, but rather with the husband of an experiencer, who matter-of-factly explains how his family has come to terms with his wifes experiences.


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[mojo]

Hi The One,

Thanks for posting. The chapter entitled "Light Beings" in the book Abduction really helped me understand the type of ET's visiting here.

[The One]

John E. Mack interview to INREES regarding his work with "experiencers" or "abductees", "alien abductions" and our worldview and necessity to change it.




http://vimeo.com/6746202

[xion]

This is what you can call synchronicity. I was writing a thread on consciousness while you were posting this.
Nice :)

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[Corncrake]

Just watched those - thanks for posting. I have enormous respect for John Mack - an intelligent and compassionate human being. He was one of the first in a position of authority to stand up - risking his reputation - and speak out on the behalf of abductees and at long last give them some credibility. Although while agreeing that they believed their experiences did happen he never actually came to a definite conclusion that a physical abduction had actually taken place instead wondering if it may have been a spiritual encounter.

[sigma6]

A comparative analysis of the circumstances surrounding John E Mack's 'accident' in the context of other possible masonic 'campaigns'.

"The ridicule of these individuals and the dismissal of their stories has profound moral implications. A society cannot long survive if its truth tellers are rejected. I believe these witnesses are truthful, regardless of the fact that what they are talking about can't be true from the dominant materialist worldview. And their dismissal does make them a kind of suppressed minority. I began to see that the outright dismissal of the testimony of reliable witnessess was because what they reported wasn't consistent with the dominant worldview."

- John Edward Mack, M.D. (Oct 4, 1929 – Sep 27, 2004)
Pulitzer Prize-winning biographer and Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.
(non-Freemason or ex-Freemason?)

Ever since I heard the story about John E Mack getting killed by a 'drunken' driver, the story has never sat well with me. I have a statistical background (not that it makes me special) but it does make me look at things different then the average person. I can't help but create a visual distribution of 'event's in my mind... and other distracting things)

There are some interesting aspects to this story that I never see discussed or talked about. John E Mack was highly intelligent, credentialed, understood scientific methodology, and clearly knew how to diagnose all manner of psychological phenomena. He was also willing to go public and stand by his research. This made him a huge risk to the PTB. He was clearly making inroads, opening up the field, creating awareness, (just watched the Oprah interview - 1994)

Rare Dr John Mack TV Appearance Part: 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-ufuNtpQd0

Rare Dr John Mack TV Appearance Part: 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnZfMWi3D30&feature=relmfu

Rare Dr John Mack TV Appearance Part: 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f96VPSnCiOI&feature=relmfu

and his book was an instant best seller (just before he died). The rate of his movement in the media could be described as fast becoming meteoric, as he began to establish a name for himself.

I would dare say that few could have used the typical standard techniques of ridicule and criticism on him that seem to work so successfully on the majority of people that try to come out. The man was a psychiatrist! The University went to great lengths to threaten him, to take away his tenure, to ruin him by destroying his reputation and character and after a great deal of struggle and legal battle he fought them back, barely surviving.

There was no question at that point he was perceived as an even greater threat. He could have made a difference. He could have brought this into main stream awareness. He could have presented this information in a manner that not even the scientific community could have refuted. He character was honourable, solid, his credentials were impeccable. His life was a testimony of scientific integrity.

What is also interesting is that the man who killed him has never received any [legitimate] attention in the media it seems. I find this strange, usually there is a lot more detailed information, etc.

[[B]Update: we have his name and age (thanks bmdb) (which is an amazingly similar pattern as Lady Di's butler's assailant; approx 50 yrs old, Eastern European, not responsible for their actions, treated with great 'sensitivity and leniency' and minimal punishment - one has to admit this is yet another 'coincidence') I wonder is it possible, these people fit into some kind of demographic? is there a criminal element? i.e. more easily 'coerced' due to past record? paperwork or citizen status? which in turn affects their financial situation? anyone who is an 'immigrant' understands the subtle but different treatment I speak of. And unbelievably, somehow Mack's family was convinced that it was neither "malicious nor intentional" - again, when is that ever taken into consideration let alone 'highlighted' in a drinking/driving case? since when did the courts reek of such 'goodwill and generosity' ??? These people weren't rich, elites or super celebrities, able to sway the courts, they would have been perceived as 'nobodies' the kind of people the courts salivate at the chance to chew up and spit out. This just isn't how the courts refer to 'drunk drivers', they are demonized, disgraced and ostracized for their debauchery and irresponsibility in order to justify a heavy fine $$$ and a punishing sentence.

One would think the courts were given to some kind of heartfelt sentimentality. If you look closely this just doesn't fit. I also truly didn't know what the charge was at the time of writing (see other's comments), but this is exactly consistent with my theory. Completely out of context and unusual at the least, especially in light of the particular individual they just killed. When you're dealing with Freemasons from top to bottom (more on this below), can you really believe anything that you are seeing? there are good reasons not to underestimate how their system operates...]

In this most infamous case, we barely get the story that he was a 'drunk' driver, and then really nothing more [or very minimal]. Regardless this fact, given all the above information, the likelihood that after surviving and winning a vicious legal battle with the university, several TV interviews, and a best selling book on the horizon, and then just coming out of a UFO convention, that he immediately gets run over by an 'immigrant drunk driver'. This should be considered as a highly improbable event in and of itself and should at the very least be considered suspect under these circumstances.

The University showed that it was willing to expend considerable resources to try to take away his tenure and ruin his life, they weren't satisfied with just trying to ridicule him. There is no question their attack was pointed and vicious. By now we should all know that the upper echelons of Universities as well as Police Depts (and many other 'public' institutions) are controlled by Freemason Secret Society groups, etc. That is why anyone who tries to study paranormal phenomena, Bigfoots (genetic issue as per Lloyd Pye), 'pre-historical' archeology (as per Cremo & Thompson) or anything that would expose the truth about man and the true nature of his origins, is immediately attacked. Even though there are mountains of evidence bursting at the seems to validate all these phenomena. But these things just aren't allowed in their matrix. I don't think people can grasp just how pervasive these secret societies are today, how influential they are, how tied into positions of power, such that they are a form of underground syndicate, and when needs be they can operate as a criminal syndicate if they so please. How is this possible?

Take for example, I have a friend, who lives and works in the suburban part of a large city in Canada, and has worked for the Fire Dept for over 30 years. He is a typical 'white Anglo Saxon' a wonderful person by all accounts, (although I find he has this almost naive quality, but I will get into that a little later...) Anyhow, he knows about my 'conspiratorial leanings' and we have some interesting conversations on occasions. One time on a lark, I jokingly asked him why he wasn't a Freemason. At first he played coy, so I pushed it a little more and said something like "come on, there has to be some Freemason's where you work, hasn't anyone ever approached you?" and finally he admitted that yes! they had approached him, and he had turned down the offer! Even though I trust in my intuition and was simply trying to confirm my speculation, I was still quite impressed by this... So I inquired further... "Well how many of your bosses would you say are Freemasons?" Now this question confused him, and at first I didn't understand why, after all it was a straightforward question (or so I thought)... he was having difficulty and I kept pushing him and he finally said "how many? ALL of them, ALL the higher ups, as well as many below them are Freemasons..." That is when the implications of what he was saying really hit me. This isn't just 'an isolated incident', far from it. This is more like the 'tip of the iceberg'. Here is a guy who has worked in the presence of these 'Secret Society' types for decades, had been offered, and turned them down (much to his credit btw) However that means that although they may not necessarily perceive him as a threat, they still had to regard him as an 'outsider', not privy to their other 'business' for. Yet he works with them everyday, is literally surrounded by Freemasons who are essentially operating an invisible network around him.

There is no doubt in my mind that over the years there may very well have been a number of subtle mind control techniques they 'played' on him. Not so much for any nefarious purpose, but as a matter of procedure, in the sense that in all the time that he was working under those conditions, the information that he was privy to, never seemed unusual to him. He knew they were Freemasons, he knew how they employed questionable tactics in their 'self promotion' for example and knew enough to turn down their offer... but can you imagine what it would be like to have to work under those circumstances? to turn down the easy opportunities for advancement? to be kept outside certain circles? to be surrounded by people who maintained a second level of social organization right in front of your face each day? The more I think about it the more respect I have for my friend, I know he hasn't had it easy. Yet it never seemed to dawn on him to think further about it, or even to share it with us... even when prompted... there was some subtle tendency in him that he 'preferred' NOT to talk about them even though he would engage me on any number of other 'conspiracy' related topics... I have no doubt that they applied some 'systematic approach' on him over the years to create this... there is alot more to this but I hope you get the gist of it... these things go on all around us... and they ARE literally 'hidden in plain sight'

How many people knew that 90 to 100% of all Police Depts, Fire Depts, Governmental Depts, Administrative Depts of Universities and Hospitals, etc are saturated with Freemasons? Who knew that Building 7 was going down and a 'police officer' was heard counting down to zero before the collapse and that they were herding people away from the sight TELLING them the building was coming down!? Or have considered the implications of what this means? Most people will never know, they may have strange experiences or witness unusual events but simply dismiss them, unable to put their finger on what just transpired.

I hope that you are all getting the implications of what I am trying to get at here, these people are sophisticated, the purpose of their groups is maintaining secrets. Which in my opinion by definition is a form of Satanism from get go, because it violates the principle of truth from the start, not so much because they wish to exercise privacy, the most important element in the judgement of any crime is the intention, and we all know what their ultimate intentions are, besides self promoting all their friends into comfy government positions controlling the levers of power. And what lengths they will go through to keep those secrets (ie. in order to keep secrets one must inevitably lie and exercise all manner of deceptions) One is 'compromised' the minute one 'accepts' their existence, let alone joins them. And by embracing such beliefs one can't help becoming very adept at practicing the 'art of deception' while 'hiding things in plain sight'... they are absolute masters in fact, that is 'what they do'.

Now not to go too far off topic, but can you see why these types of organizations would be ideal targets to be infiltrated by 'Satanic' organizations?. And that is assuming they started with good intentions from the beginning which as I study more, I highly question that as well.

Now although this may seem a little off topic, it is actually the context perhaps that is needed to see what is potentially going on here... If my friend can casually relate to me that EVERY SINGLE person of position in his little Fire Dept, in an out of the way suburb in this large Canadian city IS a Freemason without exception, that's 100% ... how about the Police Depts? No question there, goes without saying, And clearly we have seen the Universities and how the attacks on non-abiding scientists who disagreed with the Carbon Tax scheme, (another elite money grab) were ostracized and demoted and marginalized, by whom? Those higher up in the University of course. And on and on it goes. How about the Administration Depts of Hospitals? Yep,again my mind has no problem extending the probabilities, my friend's direct observation is unquestionably the tip of an iceberg. An invisible iceberg, with it's remaining portion equally hidden... out of sight, out of mind, simple formula. I wonder if anyone has ever considered what happens when a secretive societal order reaches a level of saturation on this scale and gets embedded in our public institutions? What are the implications for the rest of us living in the shadow of this mafia network organization? Canada is a strong Freemason stronghold. Image what it is like in England? And where was the good Dr when he was run over? ... the heart of Mordor... London, England itself.

How about another example, take the Oslo Killer. A simple cursory analysis and some good research exposed the following about him. It was found out from his income tax he went from having no income to speak of to becoming fabulously wealthy from one year to the next, just a year or two before his murder orgy. He had recently moved out of some meager apt and purchased and moved onto a sprawling farm in the country. We know he was a Freemason. He has even testified on record that he was part of a Secret Society! Btw he used a technique that was witnessed in the Kennedy Assassination (ie. dressing as a police officer, who then changed into civilian clothing) (search 'Evidence Of Revision') The Main Stream Media was making claims of 'Islamic Terrorists' immediately after it hit the air with obviously NO evidence whatsoever (just like 911)

Our Killer was supposed to kill people and remove his uniform and blend in with the crowd, who would suspect such a clean cut handsome young Norwegian, while the media is blasting to be on the lookout for a Muslim Terrorist!? This has the makings of a staged event, magicians trick, or slight of hand (majik) I have even heard since then there may be indications others were involved. But something went undone, he obviously lost balance somewhere along the line. But no problem, back up plans were already well under way (his behaviour indicated he thought he was going to be 'looked after'...) We also know the MSM removed or greatly downplayed the information about his affiliation by the time it reached the MSM in Canada and the US (and other countries I'm sure) He was now no longer a proud Freemason, but was now relabeled as a 'radical fundamentalist Christian' (more slight of hand) (take note how after the initial 'distraction' of relabeling him as 'fundamentalist Christian' served it's purpose of deflecting attention away from the Freemason connection, it has now ironically faded away as the court case proceeds...) They also manage to avoid making any reference to his unmistakable financial records which would have been ample evidence of an entirely different story. And most recently they have 'dismissed' his claims regarding the 'secret organizations' he specifically admitted to. Do you see a pattern here? Are these 'professionals' dull? dimwitted? lacking insight? (or just following a different script?)

While I'm on it, another interesting bit, he even stated on the record, he "doesn't 'recognize' the court..." something only a Freemason would understand enough to say or 'Commercial Redemption' student might know about. (not that it would make a difference in his case)

Now with this context in mind, I hope to shed some light on what appears to be slightly hidden to my fellow forum members. Why hasn't anyone looked more closely at who the driver was in John Mack's death? or more precisely who might have been his handler? We were being led to believe that there is no reason to look too closely or ponder it too much. But closer examination reveals some evidence to the contrary. All I can find is a 'Police Officer' arrested someone and confirmed he was a 'drunk' driver? [minimal details] almost no context that would focus our attention on this man's past history, legal or financial records, character, etc. This does not sound like a randomly occurring event to me. Does anyone know or have a way to find out more about this driver? I would like to know more about this man, like those very smart people who did the income tax research and property purchases on the "Oslo Killer".

If 'they' identified John Mack as a threat which the record shows 'they' clearly did. And if they did want to plan his death. The highest concentration of 'Freemason operatives' would undoubtedly be in London and if anyone has watched Chris Everard's "Lady Die" - auto accidents are one of their favourite techniques for 'eliminating' victims. How difficult would it be for an 'enlisted' agent to have a drink or two before committing his 'crime'? It would be the perfect diversion, and provide a 'backdoor'... ie. to be essentially treated with 'kid gloves' by the same system that enlisted him? The perfect foil! as it completely misdirects the public away from any suspicion. (unless of course if someone decided to find out more about this 'drunk' driver.) The "alcohol on his breath" was a ruse, a cover, a clever bit of misdirection.

Combine that with the limited media attention on him but instead it is placed on the family, (they must have felt like they were under some kind of philosophical spot light, as if their character was being judged) ...this is how they 'managed' to ease their 'agent' out the 'back door'. Somehow a 'media vacuum' was created around the perpetrator, and the focus became how honourable the Mack family was going to be? Is this subtle or what!? Honestly, how many people suspected the possibility there could be anything more to it? how many already turned off the more critical thinking option at the key word 'drunk driver', as if that couldn't be easily orchestrated, what could be easier? Almost too simple, as all riddles are, after you have been told the answer..

The fact is WE know that this very type of thing IS very possible and there is (for now) absolutely nothing to indicate the above scenario didn't happen, and statistically, it is more likely that that is in fact WHAT DID HAPPEN. Repeat, it is MORE probable that the incredible series of events which occurred were NOT random as opposed to being random. If someone could collect the right data and crunch the numbers I can assure you that is what the math would tell us.

Can anyone find information on the driver? who was he? what did he get charged with?, what was his sentence? what was his past? his occupation? his affiliations? [past record?] where is he now? Technically it should all be a matter of public record right?

Thank you...

[bmdb]

Dr. John Mack died on September 27, 2004, aged 74. He was hit by a drunken driver late in the evening while on a crosswalk in London. The driver, Raymond Czechowski, 52, of Elstree, England, was later apprehended by the police and entered a plea of guilty “by careless driving whilst under the influence of alcohol”.

Dr. Mack's family wrote to the Crown Court asking for leniency. "Although this was a tragic event for our family, we feel Mr. Czechowski's behavior was neither malicious nor intentional, and we have no ill will toward him since we learned of the circumstances of the collision,” the letter said. “We have had several talks as a family over the past year, and especially during these past few weeks as we anticipate the time for sentencing, and we all believe John Mack would not want Mr. Czechowski to go to jail. As for ourselves, our grief will not be lessened by knowing that he is incarcerated – in fact, we would wish that he not be.” Nevertheless, Mr. Czechowski was sentenced to a jail term of 15 months.

Taken from http://projectcamelot.org/mack.html

[gypsybutterflykiss]

Yea, was there even a driver? His entire death could have been staged.

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You must've posted this just as I was posting :)


Dr. John Mack died on September 27, 2004, aged 74. He was hit by a drunken driver late in the evening while on a crosswalk in London. The driver, Raymond Czechowski, 52, of Elstree, England, was later apprehended by the police and entered a plea of guilty “by careless driving whilst under the influence of alcohol”.

Dr. Mack's family wrote to the Crown Court asking for leniency. "Although this was a tragic event for our family, we feel Mr. Czechowski's behavior was neither malicious nor intentional, and we have no ill will toward him since we learned of the circumstances of the collision,” the letter said. “We have had several talks as a family over the past year, and especially during these past few weeks as we anticipate the time for sentencing, and we all believe John Mack would not want Mr. Czechowski to go to jail. As for ourselves, our grief will not be lessened by knowing that he is incarcerated – in fact, we would wish that he not be.” Nevertheless, Mr. Czechowski was sentenced to a jail term of 15 months.

Taken from http://projectcamelot.org/mack.html

[nearing]

I was always suspicious of his death as well. My gut tells me that the 'drunk driver' wasn't really drunk and was probably hired to do the job and was paid to serve a sentence.

[sigma6]

I was always suspicious of his death as well. My gut tells me that the 'drunk driver' wasn't really drunk and was probably hired to do the job and was paid to serve a sentence.

I am sure he was 'drunk' ie. there would be alcohol on his breath and in his blood, there would be witnesses, but what does that prove? that doesn't mean he couldn't drive a vehicle and run someone over. In fact it might even make the job easier.

[gypsybutterflykiss]

A jail term of 15 months? For killing somebody? What a joke!

[sigma6]

Yea, was there even a driver? His entire death could have been staged.

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You must've posted this just as I was posting :)


Dr. John Mack died on September 27, 2004, aged 74. He was hit by a drunken driver late in the evening while on a crosswalk in London. The driver, Raymond Czechowski, 52, of Elstree, England, was later apprehended by the police and entered a plea of guilty “by careless driving whilst under the influence of alcohol”.

Dr. Mack's family wrote to the Crown Court asking for leniency. "Although this was a tragic event for our family, we feel Mr. Czechowski's behavior was neither malicious nor intentional, and we have no ill will toward him since we learned of the circumstances of the collision,” the letter said. “We have had several talks as a family over the past year, and especially during these past few weeks as we anticipate the time for sentencing, and we all believe John Mack would not want Mr. Czechowski to go to jail. As for ourselves, our grief will not be lessened by knowing that he is incarcerated – in fact, we would wish that he not be.” Nevertheless, Mr. Czechowski was sentenced to a jail term of 15 months.

Taken from http://projectcamelot.org/mack.html

Interesting, Paul Burrell, Lady Di's Butler, who tried to save some of her personal belongings from being destroyed by the Queen and her sister in law (I think, according to Chris Everard) had his store fire-bombed by a 'mentally ill' Bulgarian National who couldn't be charged as he was found 'unfit' to stand trial, and I think a previous security guard she may have had an affair with had a tragic 'car accident' as well, it's amazing how these 'eastern european 'crazies' just pop out of the woodwork at these timely moments... even the Queen herself made reference to "dark and mysterious forces"

here's a quote, what's weird is they just kept getting more and more 'lenient' with him...

"Mitev, 50, of Wood Green, London, had been due to face a criminal trial earlier this year but was found unfit to plea by Judge Elgan Edwards, Recorder of Chester. This meant he couldn't be jailed but could be detained in hospital after a jury at Chester Crown Court found the case against him proved. However, Judge Edwards, considering sentencing on Friday, ruled out a hospital order in favour of a supervision order after taking into account the latest medical evidence."

Now let's think about this, insane or not (not) - this guy has got such a 'hate on' that he firebombs a store, and also calls up Burrell and tells him that he has 'kidnapped' his wife, on top of that just for dramatic effect Burrell even stated he heard a woman's voice in the background 'crying' ...pretty detailed props for a 'crazy' I would say, and even if he did actually 'orchestrate' such a charade, that would make him psychologically cruel in the least and dangerously pathological in the worst case. The judge's response doesn't make any sense within this context, which he completely overlooks, and gives the guy the absolute minimum... supervision? and the icing on the cake is they have Burrell arrested (no leniency) and they have the press set on destroying his life as well

Maybe it is just me, but I just don't trust cops, lawyers, judges, even doctors today,

[sigma6]

Yea, was there even a driver? His entire death could have been staged.

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You must've posted this just as I was posting :)


Dr. John Mack died on September 27, 2004, aged 74. He was hit by a drunken driver late in the evening while on a crosswalk in London. The driver, Raymond Czechowski, 52, of Elstree, England, was later apprehended by the police and entered a plea of guilty “by careless driving whilst under the influence of alcohol”.

Dr. Mack's family wrote to the Crown Court asking for leniency. "Although this was a tragic event for our family, we feel Mr. Czechowski's behavior was neither malicious nor intentional, and we have no ill will toward him since we learned of the circumstances of the collision,” the letter said. “We have had several talks as a family over the past year, and especially during these past few weeks as we anticipate the time for sentencing, and we all believe John Mack would not want Mr. Czechowski to go to jail. As for ourselves, our grief will not be lessened by knowing that he is incarcerated – in fact, we would wish that he not be.” Nevertheless, Mr. Czechowski was sentenced to a jail term of 15 months.

Taken from http://projectcamelot.org/mack.html

15 months for taking a human life, and the usual term is about one third, if it is anything like in Canada, so maybe half a year? Do you think it is possible the lawyers had any influence on this arrangement?

[ulli]

At the time it happened I was reading Paola Harris' post about how she was so shocked at the way Dr. Mack was crossing the roads
when he met with her in Rome she thought at the time 'this guy is going to be run over one day'.
So she was convinced it was a real accident, nothing staged.

When I brought up what she had said during a conversation I had with Dr. Brian O'Leary
he became quite emotional and nearly raised his voice and said: "Of course, they killed him.
They chose the accidental driver thing because they always study their victim's behavior
before they do it to make it look more real."
For what it's worth.

[Hervé]

Or... the very fact the driver was DUI made it easy for puppeteers to drive him and his vehicle around... the very thing J.E. Mack was spilling the beans about.

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=477196&viewfull=1#post477196) and about the whole thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit) it's in.

[gypsybutterflykiss]

As far as prison terms go in Canada for the same crime, it's a joke too. Yes, I do believe that lawyers did influence this arrangement, if not the judge himself.

[sigma6]

At the time it happened I was reading Paola Harris' post about how she was so shocked at the way Dr. Mack was crossing the roads
when he met with her in Rome she thought at the time 'this guy is going to be run over one day'.
So she was convinced it was a real accident, nothing staged.

When I brought up what she had said during a conversation I had with Dr. Brian O'Leary
he became quite emotional and nearly raised his voice and said: "Of course, they killed him.
They chose the accidental driver thing because they always study their victim's behavior
before they do it to make it look more real."
For what it's worth.

thanks for that Ulli... there's no question I agree with Dr O'Leary, brilliant insight on his part, and he has written a book on the subject if I'm not mistaken, perfect example of how the answer is contained in the 'puzzle'... makes absolutely perfect sense...

Dr Mack was brilliant, but there may have been some naivety, look at the kind of privileged life he lead, he was a scientist, an analytical thinker, a problem solver, world renowned, he knew he had the scientific acumen to apply a level of scientific methodology to this phenomena in a manner that would be very compelling, his adversaries were no doubt aware of this too. I don't think he was considering why this hadn't been done before, I don't think he was focusing too much on the conspiratorial aspect, he was focused on the science, working furiously to bring this to the public.

A legal/intellectual attack would be in his ball court, but being an assassination target, how could he know that what he was onto would be that hot?, again, I think the real threat was his undisputed credibility. That was bullet proof, he looked to be one of those rare souls with an incredible intellectual constitution. An achiever, there is no doubt he would have successfully brought this into the mainstream awareness.

Sagan (a famous outspoken critic, at the time) knew his credibility was on the line,

Dr. John E. Mack exposes Carl Sagan on alien contactees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDA136FKVgk

he would have been one of the first people to be made a complete fool of... Think of the implications, think how long the line of people who would have been exposed, NASA, the astronauts (Freemasons), the Vatican (still positioning themselves...) talk about a hornet's nest.

[sigma6]

We have had several talks as a family over the past year, and especially during these past few weeks as we anticipate the time for sentencing, and we all believe John Mack would not want Mr. Czechowski to go to jail.

Really? if someone ran over your mother or father (or even yourself) I am sure this is how all of you would feel too right? I have directly seen lawyers, over a period of several months, literally talk their client (a relative) into paying thousands of dollars to an insurance company when at the pre-trial, it was clearly stated there was no evidence, no witnesses and the insurance company didn't even send a lawyer (hint hint), but only a representative (as they knew they had no case) And when I pointed this out to my relative and questioned his own lawyer I found out within 10 minutes that the lawyer had not mentioned any of these factors to him and for several months had withheld a letter written by a key party that would have further proven his innocence. This same lawyer had insisted on telling him to 'let him look after it' for the several months. And was encouraging this relative to pay several thousands to the insurance company and himself. Unfortunately this relative was so enamoured with the attention the 'important' lawyer was showering on him, that he was completely mesmerized. I have seen this happen to many people when an 'important' lawyer is talking to them. There was no question the lawyer was colluding with the insurance company explaining how brilliantly naive my relative was!

[mosquito]

Thanks.

He was a genuinely brave and nice man. I was very suspicious when I heard of his death.

[Philip Kain]

I intend to investigate Dr Mack`s death as I live in London and have just retired and now have the time thank You for this post it has given me somewhere to start

Philip Kain

[Flash]

Yea, was there even a driver? His entire death could have been staged.

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You must've posted this just as I was posting :)


Dr. John Mack died on September 27, 2004, aged 74. He was hit by a drunken driver late in the evening while on a crosswalk in London. The driver, Raymond Czechowski, 52, of Elstree, England, was later apprehended by the police and entered a plea of guilty “by careless driving whilst under the influence of alcohol”.

Dr. Mack's family wrote to the Crown Court asking for leniency. "Although this was a tragic event for our family, we feel Mr. Czechowski's behavior was neither malicious nor intentional, and we have no ill will toward him since we learned of the circumstances of the collision,” the letter said. “We have had several talks as a family over the past year, and especially during these past few weeks as we anticipate the time for sentencing, and we all believe John Mack would not want Mr. Czechowski to go to jail. As for ourselves, our grief will not be lessened by knowing that he is incarcerated – in fact, we would wish that he not be.” Nevertheless, Mr. Czechowski was sentenced to a jail term of 15 months.

Taken from http://projectcamelot.org/mack.html

15 months for taking a human life, and the usual term is about one third, if it is anything like in Canada, so maybe half a year? Do you think it is possible the lawyers had any influence on this arrangement?

no, no lawyers arangements for lenient sentences. In Canada, sentences are very tiny for drunk driving, this is a regular sentence that is given to drunk drivers killing people. There is actually some social movements trying to change this, at least for multiple offenders (yes, multiiple killings while drunk driving), in Quebec. If you are a drunkard and want to drive whomever you put at risk is irrelevant, you better do it in Canada....

[jackovesk]

When I saw this 'thread' all I could think about was the Daniel Boone (Theme Song)

So naturally I replaced Daniel Boone's name with John Mack's...




John Mack was a man,
Yes, a big man!
With an eye like an eagle
And as tall as a mountain was he!

John Mack was a man,
Yes, a big man!
He was brave, he was fearless
And as tough as a mighty oak tree!

From the coonskin cap on the top of ol' John
To the heel of his rawhide shoe;
The rippin'est, roarin'est, fightin'est man
The frontier ever knew!

John Mack was a man,
Yes, a big man!
And he fought for America
To make all Americans free!

What a Mack, what a do-er,
What a dream come-er true-er was he!

Sounded 'Right' to me...:)

PS - For the Record - I thought John Mack was 'Suicided by the PTB' the second I heard the news of his untimely death..!

R.I.P

[Vitalux]

What is really impressive is the lengths that the PTB will go to safeguard true truth of reality.

Those that try and report true reality are killed.

The masters who control the "real reality" are so skilled that they can crush us like a bug http://screen-bug.googlecode.com/git/crawling_bug.gifand get away with it.

awareness is amazing, and it is always great to keep in mind.....Life is an amusement park.

http://bobbleheadclay.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/amusementpark.jpg

[sigma6]

I intend to investigate Dr Mack`s death as I live in London and have just retired and now have the time thank You for this post it has given me somewhere to start
Philip Kain
I am glad this has struck a cord, I can't get it out of my mind, and looking back, the man had so much character, it really haunts me for some reason, I think Ulli's comment about her conversation with Dr. Brian O'Leary is the most incisive statement I was looking for and summarizes it like no other...


When I brought up what she had said during a conversation I had with Dr. Brian O'Leary he became quite emotional and nearly raised his voice and said: "Of course, they killed him. They chose the accidental driver thing because they always study their victim's behavior before they do it to make it look more real."



I was reading Paola Harris' post about how she was so shocked at the way Dr. Mack was crossing the roads when he met with her in Rome she thought at the time 'this guy is going to be run over one day'. So she was convinced it was a real accident, nothing staged.
- in this part, I question Paola Harris' unusual naivete in this particular observation' ... think about it this way... (I have finally seen the 'logical flaw' in this line of thought) ok, so he is a typical 'New Yorker', and has a tendency to navigate traffic a little more fearlessly then typical pedestrians, I can totally relate as I do this myself. But I find that others are actually being overly fearful and their perception of my behaviour is more subjective than anything, in any event, the car he now gets run over by, just ALSO happens to be a 'drunk' driver... too 'convenient' AND he gets the 'lenient' treatment? Let's not forget from the University to the cops to the judge, you have the potential of a solid chain of Freemasons... and that in my opinion is why they are DANGEROUS.

Again probabalistically, it is to say someone calls in to work and says they are sick and can't come in, then go on to say they have a massive migraine headache, AND a terrible stomach flu, AND they are suffering dizzy spells... it's called OVERKILL, it's a bit of a giveaway. I think it would have been LESS suspect if he was just 'run over' but no, it was a 'drunk' driver, an immigrant with questionable credentials 'drunk' driver...

[Carmody]

Yea, was there even a driver? His entire death could have been staged.

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You must've posted this just as I was posting :)


Dr. John Mack died on September 27, 2004, aged 74. He was hit by a drunken driver late in the evening while on a crosswalk in London. The driver, Raymond Czechowski, 52, of Elstree, England, was later apprehended by the police and entered a plea of guilty “by careless driving whilst under the influence of alcohol”.

Dr. Mack's family wrote to the Crown Court asking for leniency. "Although this was a tragic event for our family, we feel Mr. Czechowski's behavior was neither malicious nor intentional, and we have no ill will toward him since we learned of the circumstances of the collision,” the letter said. “We have had several talks as a family over the past year, and especially during these past few weeks as we anticipate the time for sentencing, and we all believe John Mack would not want Mr. Czechowski to go to jail. As for ourselves, our grief will not be lessened by knowing that he is incarcerated – in fact, we would wish that he not be.” Nevertheless, Mr. Czechowski was sentenced to a jail term of 15 months.

Taken from http://projectcamelot.org/mack.html

Interesting, Paul Burrell, Lady Di's Butler, who tried to save some of her personal belongings from being destroyed by the Queen and her sister in law (I think, according to Chris Everard) had his store fire-bombed by a 'mentally ill' Bulgarian National who couldn't be charged as he was found 'unfit' to stand trial, and I think a previous security guard she may have had an affair with had a tragic 'car accident' as well, it's amazing how these 'eastern european 'crazies' just pop out of the woodwork at these timely moments... even the Queen herself made reference to "dark and mysterious forces"

here's a quote, what's weird is they just kept getting more and more 'lenient' with him...

"Mitev, 50, of Wood Green, London, had been due to face a criminal trial earlier this year but was found unfit to plea by Judge Elgan Edwards, Recorder of Chester. This meant he couldn't be jailed but could be detained in hospital after a jury at Chester Crown Court found the case against him proved. However, Judge Edwards, considering sentencing on Friday, ruled out a hospital order in favour of a supervision order after taking into account the latest medical evidence."

Now let's think about this, insane or not (not) - this guy has got such a 'hate on' that he firebombs a store, and also calls up Burrell and tells him that he has 'kidnapped' his wife, on top of that just for dramatic effect Burrell even stated he heard a woman's voice in the background 'crying' ...pretty detailed props for a 'crazy' I would say, and even if he did actually 'orchestrate' such a charade, that would make him psychologically cruel in the least and dangerously pathological in the worst case. The judge's response doesn't make any sense within this context, which he completely overlooks, and gives the guy the absolute minimum... supervision? and the icing on the cake is they have Burrell arrested (no leniency) and they have the press set on destroying his life as well

Maybe it is just me, but I just don't trust cops, lawyers, judges, even doctors today,

Recently, I wrote about how someone was obviously mentally deficient was sent to confront me, twice, in a store. Twice, in the same store visit.

Another time a few years back, walking through a major city, in the same spot, twice, a 'raver' a person who had a Tourette's-like(ish) syndrome and never stops talking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVqfu7K33aA=15m27s) (try to watch that film from the start, it is quite good), they swore and spoke to me of the thoughts running through my mind. Once on the way to my destination, and once on the way back.

In my understanding there is no big deal to the idea of using a minor member of the organization to take someone down, via being a drunk driver. The indication are in the western world, one in six cops being members of the Freemasons, and somewhere near 100% of all police department heads and the chief and all the local judges being Freemasons. That is the norm. So no, it is not out of place to consider that he was taken out.

[seehas]

when i was 15 years old i walked into a bookstore and bought his first book they looked at me like I'm crazy i can tell you that was funny :), john mack somehow dismantled a lot of disinformation and was on a way to some really important information i guess thats why they killed him and i bet he was warned off before.

if you read his first book and afterwards some of his latest interviews you can see that his opinion on the case changed, he was on something for sure.

[Selene]

Thank you so much for your persistence here, Sigma. I share your concerns; it doesn't exactly add up, does it?

The 'kid gloves' treatment of the killer is the giveaway. Where is he now?

Normally, someone who causes the death of a prominent person - a Harvard professor no less - would be run through the legal mill and incarcerated indefinitely. WhoTF was this guy's lawyer? How did he manage this kiss off? Drunk driving, at minimum, is an f-u offense: you're in the slammer, sucker, especially/particularly if you kill someone... So what happened here?

Most curious indeed.

I am also intrigued by the family's generous posthumous statement. Who, exactly "encouraged" them to come forward and say such "nice things" aka "sign here, we're 'helping you.....'"? No kidding. Oh piss; any normal family would share the same suspicions - who cleaned them out with Californian New Age generosity?

Cheers,

Selene

[dianna]

Growing Up Alien, by Alexa Clay


AEON MAGAZINE

http://projectcamelot.org/john_mack.jpg

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/close_encounters.jpg


My younger brother and I called him ‘the old lizard’ (on account of his reptilian resemblance — and to irk our mother, his partner at the time). To his enemies, he was a crackpot, fraud, and a cheat. And to his patients, and many of his friends, he was a source of support, an open listener, a sage and protector.

Dr John E Mack was many things to many people. A Harvard-trained psychiatrist, tenured professor, and one of the founders of the Cambridge Hospital Department of Psychiatry (a teaching hospital affiliated with Harvard University), John held an impressive command and was respected in his field. After an early career spent working on issues of child development and identity formation, he won the Pulitzer Prize in 1977 for his psychoanalytic biography of Lawrence of Arabia, entitled A Prince of Our Disorder (1976). Then, in the late 1980s, John put his reputation on the line when he started investigating the phenomenon of alien abduction.

It all started innocently enough. He began holding sessions with patients or ‘experiencers’ (as they’re called) who believed they’d been abducted. He ran hypnotic regressions from our home, and he gradually came to furnish enough evidence for a book, Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens (1994). This was followed in 1999 by Passport to the Cosmos: Human Transformation and Alien Encounters. His standard line with the outside world was (as given to the BBC): ‘I would never say, yes, there are aliens taking people. [But] I would say there is a compelling powerful phenomenon here that I can’t account for in any other way, that’s mysterious… I can’t know what it is but it seems to me that it invites a deeper, further inquiry.’

In the privacy of our home, where he was a regular presence, John was bolder in his claims. Aliens were real — it was just that their existence threatened the dominant logic of our worldview. John attributed society’s failure to account for the abduction experience as a cultural failing. Alien abductees weren’t deranged or mentally ill — we just didn’t have a way of interpreting and understanding what they’d been through. Rather than label these peoples’ experiences as a new disorder or syndrome, John argued that we had to probe into and change our perception of reality to account for this phenomena. The subtext: we had to allow for the existence of aliens.

For more than a decade, from the time I was eight until I was of legal age, I was witness to these debates and to the politics surrounding John’s ‘coming out’ in support of abduction phenomena. My mother, an anthropologist by training, was John’s primary research assistant. They bought a house together in Cambridge, Massachusetts and my brother and I visited them once a month and during school holidays. The rest of the time we lived with my father and stepmother in Arlington, Virginia.

Like many of his colleagues, I viewed John with a mixture of scepticism and intrigue. Part of my scepticism can be put down to the fact that he was dating my mom; but a good fraction of it owed to my sense of reality being overturned by the postulation of ‘greys’ — a particular manifestation of extraterrestrials, known for their large heads, huge almond eyes, and shortened, pretty much featureless bodies.

http://www.aliens-everything-you-want-to-know.com/image-files/johnmack.jpg

The late John E. Mack – a Harvard psychiatrist who put his professional reputation on the line. Photo © John E Mack Archives LLC. Courtesy of Mack family The late John E. Mack – a Harvard psychiatrist who put his professional reputation on the line. Photo © John E Mack Archives LLC. Courtesy of Mack family

At eight, and still learning to distinguish between fantasy and reality, the imposition of adults who believed in aliens was confusing and anxiety-provoking, but adventurous and thrilling too. I was fairly sure that Santa Claus wasn't real. But I wouldn’t have bet my life on it. My stuffed animals and toys had only just lost that animistic quality — becoming mere playthings, instruments of the imagination, as opposed to real creatures with essences all their own. As for aliens, I couldn’t be sure. Flying on airplanes between my parents’ houses I'd sometimes be on the lookout for a hovering metallic orb.

It was 1992 when John entered our lives. Bill Clinton was president, and Kurt Cobain dominated the airwaves. It was the end of the Cold War stand-off, and the political scientist Francis Fukuyama had just published his book The End of History and the Last Man, where he wishfully predicted that human evolution had come to an end with the triumph of Western liberal democracy. Everything was smooth sailing. We no longer had the threat of communists, but we didn’t yet have the threat of terrorists. In need of a symbolic enemy, aliens personified an important ‘other’ — a dystopian warning to our Western culture’s all too eager triumphalism.

On television, the paranormal soon paraded around on shows such as Roswell and The X-Files, which explored extraterrestrial phenomena in the shadow of government cover-ups and conspiracy. Flip channels and you might have caught Arthur C Clarke’s equally other-worldly 26-part series Mysterious Universe . It’s no wonder that the 1990s saw a rush of alien appearances in the popular imagination. The impending millennium brought with it the arrival of a future that had always been distant. As the political scientist Jodi Dean, author of Aliens in America (1998), articulated at the time, the appearance of aliens corresponds to our ‘anxieties over technological development and our growing consciousness of ourselves as a planet and our fears for the future at the millennium’.

There is some truth here. When I asked my mom and John growing up what the aliens intended (subtext: ‘Do they come in peace or should I be really scared?’), they said that many experience’s felt that aliens communicated an environmental message about the urgency of saving the planet.

At the same time, many of the abductees that John interviewed attested to the technological superiority of the alien race. I was told stories about patients who experienced aliens that could pass through walls, were able to communicate with extrasensory perception (ESP) and mind-reading, and perform medical experiments on humans without invasive surgery. In this light, aliens provided an outlet for all our fears of technological domination. To have an experience of aliens was to realise that the human race might not represent the pinnacle of evolution, that we were perhaps inferior to extraterrestrial life.

In daylight, I was sceptical (the good little rationalist), but night-time brought with it a tide of magical thinking

But as a kid largely ignorant of grander sociological forces, aliens were only one thing: scary. They had large black eyes and androgynous forms. And they were real — like ghosts and witches and monsters. In daylight, I was sceptical (the good little rationalist), but night-time brought with it a tide of magical thinking. I used to lie in bed and worry that maybe I would be abducted. I would even make supplicating promises of better behaviour in the hope of bartering with these outsiders — ‘I’ll be good, just leave me alone.’ In my secular progressive household, aliens offered a moral disciplining authority, an invisible spectator to police my actions.

After many years elapsed without any sign of extraterrestrial visitation, I began to feel ignored. My fears turned to pangs of dejection: ‘Wasn’t I special?’ ‘Shouldn’t I be a chosen ambassador for the human race?’ Or even: ‘If the aliens were really out to create a master race (as I overheard), didn’t they want my DNA?’

John had many of the same laments. They weren’t the ego bruises of a child in pursuit of some fantastical ambassadorial calling, but they were in the same genre. He felt passed over. He longed for an encounter. He was the public face of this movement and yet he had only secondary experience of the abduction phenomena. Having spent more than 15 years listening to other people’s encounters with these mythical beings, he wanted some evidence beyond the testimonials he gathered from his patients. He wanted to be visited. We all did.

Just as important, a visitation would have answered the growing chorus of critics lining up on the ‘respectable’ side of John’s working life. Many of his colleagues thought he’d gone crazy. He, in turn, felt betrayed by those academic collaborators who failed to support his work. John's biggest critics called into question his use of hypnosis. In keeping with Freud’s theory of ‘repression’ — which held that the mind can banish traumatic memories to prevent us from experiencing anxiety — much of John’s research invoked the idea of recovered memory, whereby, through hypnosis, you could get a patient to go back into repressed traumas and recall their abduction experiences.

I remember one summer evening in a beach house on Martha’s Vineyard when I was about 11, we all watched as John regressed my aunt back into a past life. She lay on the couch recalling an incident in which she was a forest ranger who witnessed the death of a few people during some kind of avalanche. My aunt later told me that she was fully conscious of the experience, but couldn’t control what she was saying. It was like she was watching herself tell a story. John later tried to hypnotise my brother so that he wouldn’t be afraid of spiders.

Ultimately, the question that plagued memory excavators like John was whether these repressed memories, divulged under hypnosis, were mere ‘artefacts’ of the mind, or else legitimately true recollections. John’s tendency towards a more literal interpretation of his patients’ experiences with aliens was controversial.

John described the investigation as ‘Kafkaesque’. He never quite knew the status of it or the nature of the committee’s complaints

In 1994, the dean of Harvard Medical School called a committee of peers to investigate John’s scholarship. This was the first time a tenured professor had ever been subject to an investigation. It was, effectively, an inquisition that some likened to a ‘witch hunt’, and it left John feeling persecuted and misunderstood. John described the investigation as ‘Kafkaesque’. He never quite knew the status of it or the nature of the committee’s complaints. Unable to accuse John of any ethical violation or professional misconduct, its aim was to ask, as Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz put it, ‘whether a Harvard Medical School professor ought to be lending his credibility to stories of space alien abductions’. To Dershowitz, this was a dubious goal. ‘No great university should be in the business of investigating the ideas of its faculty,’ he wrote in the university magazine, in 1995. In the end, the dean reaffirmed John’s academic freedom to study what he wished and to state his opinions without impediment. But the damage had already been done.

As his professional credibility faltered, John’s anxiety and anger began to rise. John cared about his reputation. It was not easy to become persona non grata in the very institutions he had helped to build. He was used to working within established professional systems, and when those very institutions called his integrity into question, he sought out allies in other like-minded people. He grew an entourage of support among shamans, experiencers, and celebrities.

Our household became a living altar to an esoteric band of misfits who were regular houseguests and interlopers. One morning, when I went to get some orange juice from the kitchen, the actor Woody Harrelson was there, drinking coffee with John at the table. It was normal. Normal was also being offered a peace pipe by Sequoia, a Native American shaman who blew tobacco in our youthful faces and challenged us to seek out greater visionary experience.

By 13, however, I was ready to move on. John and my mother were headed to the Australian outback for a year to speak with Aboriginal people about their experiences with aliens. My brother and I were invited to go along: our formal education would be satisfied by distance learning packets, while our real education, as I understood it at the time, was to be some combination of didgeridoo and Aboriginal creation myths. But something inside me desired stability and order. I longed to be absorbed into an antiseptic American culture where lacrosse, school dances and flared blue jeans were ends in themselves; where ordinary reality wasn’t usurped by the fantastical.

My brother and I ultimately opted to stay behind. We stayed living with my father and stepmother, and succumbed to a deliciously comfortable white picket-fence existence (literally, the fence was painted white). We became absorbed in teenage politics and concerns. And the only flying saucers we encountered were Frisbees.

Later on, at college at Brown University, I gave myself licence once again to explore the magical thoughts of my youth, not least the idea that reality was merely a construction. As an adult, it was a less threatening prospect. Rather than induce existential panic, it furnished reputational accolades. I ended up writing a thesis about 17th-century astrology and the fashioning of scientific boundaries. It was an ode to John in some ways. I wanted to understand how ‘science’ became ‘science’. Many of the astrologers of the time were booted out of the emerging scientific establishment — some were even put on trial for instigating civil disorder. It was not unlike John’s own experience, when his psychiatric methods were called into question by the scientific establishment.

Before my thesis was published, John was hit by a drunk driver and killed, in London. It was 2004. Immediately after his death, my mother began receiving phone calls from clairvoyants who claimed to have communicated with John, ‘on the other side’. Before he died, John had begun outlining a manuscript on the power of love, based on the stories of those who had been able to communicate with loved ones after death. It was a surreal experience for my mother to be experiencing such intense grief, while at the same time receiving phone calls from people who had reportedly been in conversation with John after the accident.

After John died, aliens seemed to vanish from household discussion almost entirely. It felt like the public’s interest had also waned. When I asked my mother why the phenomenon had seemed to die down, I was told that the aliens were placing less emphasis on the Western world; that they were more interested in China. And that’s where we left it.

But if I reflect on the impact of my childhood experience, I think it left me with a profound openness, and a generous ear. John taught me the power of listening; really hearing people out and having the courage and resilience to question established orthodoxies. I still remain entirely agnostic about the existence of aliens. I have a commitment to preserving unknowns, and I thrive on ambiguity and complexity in my work and my relationships. John’s legacy has also left me with a certain reverence for misfits, for outliers and challengers of the status quo: for the type of person who walks the line between delusion and insight.

John, too, remains immortalised in my mind as someone with great courage and empathy. I associate him with a period of my childhood wrought with big questions. Bearing witness to the craziness that surrounded those ten years of cosmological exploration left me with a shaky groundwork in which reality was never quite what it seemed, but it also furnished me with a profound sense of awe and wonder about the world.

I feel incredibly grateful for the experience. To be exposed at such a young age to a zeitgeisty obsession with deprogramming, where Western culture was perceived as an enemy of consciousness and truth, was an education that left me with a residual feeling of always being on the outside of mainstream culture. There is a part of me that also looks back with nostalgia for a time when the primary conversation was a probing of the cosmological – when we weren’t all busy on our laptops, stressed about finances, or waiting with bated breath for the next season of Homeland; but were concerned, rather, with ancient and meta-questions about our role in the universe and the existence of life elsewhere.

Alexa Clay is a writer who is still confused about whether aliens exist. Her first book, The Misfit Economy, co-authored with Kyra Maya Phillips, will be published by Simon & Schuster this year. She lives in Berlin.
http://aeon.co/magazine/altered-states/wasnt-i-special-enough-to-be-abducted-by-aliens/

[turiya]

"Although the aliens are not themselves gods, their behavior is sometimes anything other than god-like. Abductees consistently reported that the beings seem closer to god-head than we are, acting as messengers, guardian spirits, or angels, intermediaries between us & the Divine Source." -- Dr John Mack MD

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[Gardener]

And that's how they get away with it, in 'our' need for a saviour!

"Although the aliens are not themselves gods, their behavior is sometimes anything other than god-like. Abductees consistently reported that the beings seem closer to god-head than we are, acting as messengers, guardian spirits, or angels, intermediaries between us & the Divine Source." -- Dr John Mack MD

turiya :cool:

[LisAlien]

According to Shirley MacLaine on the Whitley Streiber radio show, she was told ANOTHER John Mack was also killed by a car in London that day too. Ogy_tv0WRkk
Starts at about the 3-minute mark.

[sigma6]

I like Whitley Strieber he's another variation of Steven King in many ways... haha... I never connected for the longest time he was the author of "The Hunger"... He creates good media... enjoying the interview... And yes the one thing one can say definitively... that whole affair doesn't add up... not random...

He could have changed the world... what a tragic waste...

[dianna]

John Mack - A Major Motion Picture [Indiegogo]
http://realitysandwich.com/219128/john-mack-a-major-motion-picture-indiegogo/

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk5rzMoeDlc


When Harvard psychiatry professor, Pulitzer Prize-winning author, DR. JOHN MACK was asked to study people who claimed to be ABDUCTED BY ALIENS, he was reluctant. He was a DOCTOR, a man of SCIENCE.

But these people were DESPERATE for help and he became CURIOUS what the underlying psychiatric syndrome might be. Using everything in his psychiatric arsenal, Dr. Mack studied over 200 abductees. He found that people from ALL OVER THE WORLD - who had never met each other – were telling the exact same ABDUCTION stories.

John Mack's findings were SHOCKING to him and forced him to QUESTION his most deeply rooted beliefs. “These people are NOT LYING and are NOT CRAZY. I know mental illness and this is not mental illness,” he said.


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We, at MakeMagic Productions, are truly honored that the Mack family has granted us the rights to bring John Mack's incredible true story to the big screen. We are PASSIONATE believers that John Mack's story is SPECIAL and will make a POWERFUL film, with UNIVERSAL APPEAL.

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Dr John Mack on Winnie Oprah TV show with group of abductees .

It's people like John Mack we are now missing in science , those who would embrace both professional erudition , inquisitive spirit and humane interest when approaching the subject and people .
This is what is currently missing - research on based on pure academic and humanitarian grounds,
free of the conspiracy theories , new age religious and even 'alien' cults , away from compulsory exposure to media and constant pressure from society .

More :


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRXi0oYNROg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPUwMbbHM80

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcGmPklpOr4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g15FmPowQRE



ALIEN ABDUCTION PHENOMENON in 5 parts on youtube

[araucaria]

"These people are not lying, and they're not crazy". So you deal with it. Simple intellectual honesty.

[Delight]

And that's how they get away with it, in 'our' need for a saviour!

"Although the aliens are not themselves gods, their behavior is sometimes anything other than god-like. Abductees consistently reported that the beings seem closer to god-head than we are, acting as messengers, guardian spirits, or angels, intermediaries between us & the Divine Source." -- Dr John Mack MD

turiya :cool:

Well, maybe they are actually an aspect of US. Conscious awareness is only a portion of our very own consciousness. We do not even know how "we" work.


"The current physical models of the Universe require 11 dimensions, 11 integrated variables to describe, and that's physical models of the Universe. If we then turn our attention to mind and realize that having no definition of what mind is, why is there no mys uh, it is not surprising that it is a mystery in the fact that we have no definition of what the UFO is? The mind is present at hand in every conscious moment. It has been our constant companion for 50,000 years and we haven't a clue as to what it is.

So, therefore a manifestation of the "other" the superego or the extraterrestrial like the UFO. I always hark back to the words of JDS Haldane, the great British enzyme-ologist, who said: "reality is not only stranger than we suppose. It may be stranger than we CAN suppose".

(What is the function. Why are UFOs effecting us)

...The so-called post modern approach is to ask the question, "Not what is the UFO, but, what is doing to us?....

What the UfOs are doing to us, to global society, is they are eroding faith in "science" by casting directly in the path of science, a kind of gauntlet, challenge:"crack this", almost as though the cosmic giggle had shown up at the bachelor party of science to spoil the bash. Terrence Mckenna (from the below video)

Jacques Vallee, Terrence McKenna, John Mack, Budd Hopkins on the Alien, UFO, Abduction phenomenon

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[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=311sjQTqro0

"Published on 22 Mar 2013
Dr. John Mack discusses extraterrestrials visiting earth and our need for new thinking."

[Agape]

Great man , humble soul , great lecture .. I just have that eerie feeling that he's more respected now for not being with us ( in human terms ) by some of his admirers .
Rule of thumb maybe , or the atmosphere of weirdness .

He so much reminds me in the talk of some of 'typical' reactions I've met with in the academic society , from people who consider themselves 'knowledgeable' and highly educated , reactions that are sort of primitive .. instinctive ,
as psychiatrist he had to understand those pretty well ,
fear and denial and pretence that 'I don't hear you' , angry outbursts , all kind of strange reactions I've met ( and I know others too ) from seemingly civilised people .

The combination of academic skills and good heart - beyond average, empathy , is rare in our world it seems though , so badly needed .

I really wish he would have inspired generation of his students and colleagues , or at least some of them , to follow this line of research by example .

Coincidentally .. at the time of this congress , lecture .. March 2002 .. I was still in Bodhgaya ( people who know me also know what I'm referring to ) . Not only thousands of miles away physically but also , sans travel document that time and no email address /computer connection , at all.

It seems to suggest .. that there are things unveiling simultaneously , in the 'higher plan' , the long time table of ET-Human matters, that we have no control of, often very little idea about - even if we find ourselves mentally and meaningfully connected ..to the greater purpose of things .. whether we like it or not .


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