I hear voices... is it schizophrenia? [Archive] - The Project Avalon Community Forum

AMystic3434

8th May 2015, 07:29

Ive been hearing voices for about 10 years on and off they mainly come when I smoke marijuana for about a month straight. The doctor says its schizophrenia and put me on meds but the voices are so real that I think they are spirits.

The voices tell me im a bad person and that im going to hell mainly but sometimes they are nice to me. They usually say "you have no idea" The voices have ruined my life over the last 10 years losing jobs that ive had when before I started hearing them I had no problem holding a job.

They only started telling me I was going to hell when I started bad mouthing religion to them and told them I don't believe in Jesus or god. They didn't seem to like that. When I told them that maybe there is no god.

I always had the feeling that it was my spiritguide who was talking to me I could communicate with him by thought I could think words and hear the words and he would communicate back and there was others that I communicated with to I think it was family on the other side that ive never met. If I remember correctly they only started being mean to me when I told them to go away and said really insulting things to them in an attempt to make them go away.

The voices sound like they are good people they are clear nice voices so I don't think they are bad spirits but it is a possiblility I suppose. Can they be bad spirits or bad aliens its possible but I don't think they are. Like I said sometimes they are nice but its rare. Its like they want more out of me then I can give. If you read this thanks for reading.

Ikarusion

8th May 2015, 07:44

hi mystic.

unfortunately this sounds very familiar to me.
a dear friend of mine got very depressed after his first few joints and later tried to kill himself.
at that point he was diagnosed with shizophrenia and we found out that he actually had a sister he didnt know about in a mental institution abroad.
so it seem to somewhat run in the family and laid dormant in him, until he smoked and it broke out. i wish i knew then that this could act as a trigger.

anyway, he started hearing voices and i think they where often mean.
not sure if it was part of his subconscious that basicly reflected self judgment or it actually were spirits or dead people from the lower astral.
either way, if you can cope without meds, good for you. if you can now, after such a long time deal with your condition thats great.

it will probably stick, but im no expert. i think its best to learn to live with it and probably also not to put too much focus on the voices.

wish ya good luck and a good life.
ika

Aspen

8th May 2015, 08:00

I have heard that marijuana use can trigger schizophrenia in youth. Were you a teenager or in your twenties when this happened? I also know that voices do not always mean you have schizophrenia. SOmetimes voices can be due to extreme anxiety or Dissociative Identity Disorder. It is like a fragmented part of yourself. It can become fragmented because of a trauma. Basically with schizophrenia that voices are telling you to do harmful things to yourself or other people. But your voices seem to be mainly criticizing you so that is not quite the same thing. It may not be schizophrenia at all. There are other symptoms that go with schizophrenia like socially isolating yourself and not being able to socialize with others. I know that heavy marijuana use can also create anxiety. My own son experienced this when he was hotboxing. He ended up the ER twice because his heart rate went sky high for several hours. So maybe your doctor was jumping the gun.

AMystic3434

8th May 2015, 08:00

The thing is I don't think I have mental illness in my family but I don't know much about my family tree so I guess its possible. Any my illness only started when I was about 30 years of age which is late in life to get schizophrenia from what ive read. Ive been smoking pot since I was 15 and know a bunch of people who smoke and it never happened to them it never happened then it only happened when I was lonely and spending all of my time by myself for like 5 years I barley saw anybody spending a lot of time by myself then the voices started. The voices have told me to kill myself but I wont listen to them. I am constantly fighting them I don't know what they want from me. I don't know if they are real spirits or my brain is damaged which is what my doctor tells me.

araucaria

8th May 2015, 08:15

Octavusprime

8th May 2015, 08:17

Schizophrenia often lies dormant till adolescence/early adult hood 18-35 years. Psychotropic drugs like acid, shrooms or even marijuana can bring forth or intensify the symptoms.

I'm not a doctor but I think you should avoid drugs if you have been diagnosed schizophrenic. Marijuana is mostly harmless but in this instance it may be triggering the symptoms. Schizophrenia is thought to be caused by imbalances of neurotransmitters in the brain like dopamine and glutamate. Drugs that influence these neurotransmitters can further exacerbate the situation.

My uncle was diagnosed with schizophrenia when he was in his early 20's. Unfortunately he was heavy into psychoactive drugs and sadly he took his own life in his mid 20's. I was the one who found him... At age 13 I took this very hard. I don't bring this up for any other reason but to emphasis the seriousness of this disease.

Most treatments are done in conjunction with antipsychotics. This is because changing your brains chemistry isn't something that can be done with therapy alone. There are many on Avalon that are against any form of drug made by pharmaceutical companies. I won't tell you what is best for you as an individual but if the voices are constantly negative than it may be time to give them a try.

My heart goes out to you. May you find the strength to overcome the negative voices and find peace my friend.

Sincerely,

Octavusprime

AMystic3434

8th May 2015, 08:22

also when I was 18 I took 12 hits of acid in one night. Im sure this had an effect on me. I was never quite right after that night. I wish I hadn't done that. It still effects me to this day.

Mike Gorman

8th May 2015, 08:44

There are people who have a sensitive disposition, or already heightened mental life - and these people should avoid psychoactive drugs - they merely over stimulate and irritate your nervous system. Cannabis is a good plant, but it is not for over indulgence, and you should watch which strains you use - the Indica strains are usually less active on the mental processes, and sooth you. In your case I would avoid Cannabis outright, leave it alone. Yes, 12 trips in one go is asking for trouble. However, we are much tougher than realized. Take a course of good multi-vitamins, take regular exercise, take up meditation - relax your mind and body. Unless you are floridly psychotic, as in transported to a separate reality you don't need anti-psychotic drugs. Many people hear voices at different times, Socrates reported hearing them. I have heard the occasional voice, and had maddening thoughts- it is all part of managing these big brains of ours, they are imperfectly developed and poised for further growth. If substances are creating havoc, discontinue using them - your body will heal, your mind will re-adjust. I read of a man recently who just decided to live with his voices - the more you 'resist' them the more you add fuel - go with them being there. I have experienced something similar to you in the past, I recovered - but you must actively engage in your own balancing - Vitamins, exercise, sleep - gentle things for the next 6 months - you will notice an improvement.

Omni

8th May 2015, 08:48

It is either schizophrenia, or microwave hearing technology and you are a targeted individual IMO. The negative comments sounds like microwave hearing to me, but I am not an expert on schizophrenia. I just know lots of people are misdiagnosed due to targeting. They like to hit people with the voices so they get schizophrenia diagnosis and get on harmful meds, as well as the character assassination of such events.

If the meds do nothing for you and it continues after you stop smoking, it may be more likely targeting IMHO.

panopticon

8th May 2015, 08:58

I agree with much already said.

Do not try tackling this alone.

Get help/support from others.

Take the advice of your doctor and see if it works for you.

-- Pan

Octavusprime

8th May 2015, 09:13

also when I was 18 I took 12 hits of acid in one night. Im sure this had an effect on me. I was never quite right after that night. I wish I hadn't done that. It still effects me to this day.

I've taken every drug under the sun. Acid was overall hugely positive in my perception of the world but there was a dark time when I over abused it. I felt like my soul was very thin and it was hard to tell dream vs reality vs hallucination. I haven't touched the stuff in over a decade. 12 hits in one shot is huge and way more than I'd ever like to handle.

As was said above. I think you should start with removing marijuana and work on strengthening both your mind and spirit. If you can live with the voices and not let them dictate your life and decisions than perhaps drugs are not needed. Even those on psychoactive drugs deal with episodes and have to learn to live with the symptoms. So with or without drugs you will need to find peace in yourself and find ways to coop with the voices.

I can't speak on the microwave hearing attacks as I haven't experienced them personally. Often times looking within and accepting circumstances is much more valuable than casting blame on external forces beyond your control. When one goes down that road it can lead to a feeling of helplessness. Hope is not lost. Looking inward and you often find the strength to overcome.

Wind

8th May 2015, 09:29

I don't use any kind of drugs (barely even western medicine), but I'm also against their outlawing since it's about freedom to choose what you want to do with your body and consciousness, the governments with their draconian laws shouldn't decide that.

Even though many people have had amazing experiences and even awakened through using cannabis or hallusinogens, they're not for everyone. If you take a shortcut, sometimes it can lead to a short circuit. I know that some people have gotten really messed up for overindulging drugs. It's the same thing with alcohol, too much is too much. I believe that way you will get holes in your aura and then not so benevolent earthly or lower astral spirits may be able to influence your mind way more easily since the veil between this world and the astral dimension becomes thinner. People should treat shamanic plants as healing agents, because I believe that is the way mother nature intended them to be and not overindulge them through recretional use, but I'm not judging anyone here. That's just my personal view and advice.

Unfortunately I've seen someone close to me suffering from this kind of mental illness and indeed only antipsychotic drugs helped them to overcome the paranoid and unhealthy states of mind. Do note that I'm against big pharma, but sometimes the doctors do actually know what they are talking about. We need shamans to heal these kinds of thing, but in the west as a culture we are seriously misguided when it comes to spirituality.

Ikarusion

8th May 2015, 09:29

also when I was 18 I took 12 hits of acid in one night. Im sure this had an effect on me. I was never quite right after that night. I wish I hadn't done that. It still effects me to this day.
what compelled you to do that? how does it still effect you? im sorry, but would you care to elaborate a bit please.

Agape

8th May 2015, 09:47

You could try a good shaman , Tibetan lama , teacher ( light worker ) who works with energies , deities and know how close the door to lower worlds for you .
It's possible to do that . It's just that the skill and knowledge is rare and not everyone among spiritual hierarchies who claim to be able to do it actually are .
At the same time they need to give you very strong protection from one of the high wisdom beings .
They'll perform ritual for you . It's not like exorcism in Christianity though that too may work but as above , depending on skills of the priest and most do not have the knowledge .

I've seen people who actually recovered - in long term - that way but , there had to be healthy core left in them so they were aware to some deal what's going on.

Had one friend/student here , not very close but anyway , who started to 'hear voices' and had psychotic breakdown after she visited group session with obscure but famed russian hypnotist and 'healer' .
He was/is mentally very powerful man . We attended his 'lecture' out of curiosity with mum when I was teenager so I knew what kind of person he was .
But he'd never touch me . We exchanged 'glance' . I was not afraid of him and would never succumb to hypnosis . In fact I could put kids to hypnotic trance when we were young , without any training and difficulty .

But this lady attended the 'healing lecture' and soon after started to be visited by 'spirits' . Can't recall she may have had some spiritual experience there initially but it turned to hearing nasty voices .
I was not here that time , in India for many years, so I did not know ... but she kept writing me desperate letters full of nonsense , was put on medication etc etc
I only found out when I came back.

It's many years ago now but I recall I gave her something very pure and blessed from monastery for protection and advised her what to do , in small ways .
I don't know if she's recovered completely since but know she's 'improved' .

One thing you can do really is meditate on love and compassion , shining from your heart and when it reaches those 'spirits' ( voices ) , wraps them in light and transforms them forever . Keep doing it as if they are for real , and as long as they come to you.

You will accumulate lots of good karma that way . Don't pay any attention to what they say , show them your inner power , power of love they miss .

:angel::sun:

Selkie

8th May 2015, 10:33

Hi, AMystic3434. I am very sorry that you are dealing with such a situation, and I just wanted to say that my heart goes out to you. Please take care of yourself, and if the voices tell you to hurt yourself, please do not act on what they say.

Innocent Warrior

8th May 2015, 10:38

I have a dear friend who is schizophrenic, his was triggered by taking a LSD trip. He said he took it and just never came down. Just from an outside observational perspective, the nature of his "delusions" appeared to reflect his emotional state.

My theory is that the answer is both, it's schizophrenia and spirits etc., and like Wind said, the drugs messed with the veil.

If it were me, I'd go to a shaman and take it from there.

I once read that schizophrenics aren't affected by the hollow mask effect, that they see the face as hollow, as it is, not the illusion. I don't know if it's true or not, the comment section reflects a mixed bag but it's something to ponder.

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Lifebringer

8th May 2015, 10:50

Were you afraid or are you afraid of them? Ask the Long Island Medium, she hears spirit all the time and has spoken to them on tv shows, she says she is their voice to communicate to loved ones on this side, still saddened by their crossing over. If you're not afraid, then ask them are they the good or the bad? In spirit, they must answer if they are good, and won't answer or ignore the question, or change the subject, if they are not the good. Either way have respect and try not to harm yourselves.

Selkie

8th May 2015, 10:51

I've been thinking about your post, AMystic, and I was wondering if there is anything you do...just naturally, in the course of your daily life...that quiets the voices? For instance, do the voices go quiet when you talk to another person, or when you read, or watch a movie or if you go out for coffee, etc.? If so, then perhaps doing more of those activities...even if they are simple ones...might help?

Wind

8th May 2015, 10:59

AMystic3434

8th May 2015, 11:03

After I took all that LSD I just could never relax anymore. Always felt a figet in my stomache also I wanted nothing to do with my past I thought it was all a lie. This was a big mistake I feel like I cant remember my past because I consciously cut my self off from it but every now and then I get a memory. I cherish those moment. As far as calming the voices they are usually only there when im alone when im talking to people or around people they get quiet which bugs me out cause it feels like im being watched by them

Agape

8th May 2015, 11:16

I am in no position to give advice of any kind, but on purely methodological grounds, if you want to try without meds then you could perhaps also try without the marijuana. If your condition does not improve, then it probably wasn’t the marijuana; if it does, then it probably was. You cannot decide what you can absorb today either in terms of what others do or even in terms of what you yourself used to do – you can develop an intolerance that others don’t have and that you didn’t have before. So you need to find this baseline. The same methods works with food allergies. You can become allergic to something like almonds or mushrooms that you have enjoyed for years; and when you trace the sickness to the cause, you cut them out of your diet, no meds required.

I'd completely support that opinion as well . Yes marijuana can do that , especially with prolonged use or large amounts , the same is probably true for any psychoactive drug .
There's also difference in the way this herb had been used in its original culture in India , by sadhus ( religious mendicants ) most of whom are not on any job for the rest of their lives anyway and just keep sitting at the holy banks of Ganga and smoking chelums ( pipes ) but those people are in good company to each other and have 'spiritual elevation'.
Even there , someone goes 'out spaced' occasionally - mostly with temper bursts and needs to be calmed but they don't use drugs or violence in general .
Sadhus who are slightly or more psychotic can be clearly discerned from others, the community knows about them and surprisingly , can handle it .

On the other hand , where it concerns mundane people and 'recreational use' , there or here in Western society , with people who don't have good spiritual foundation neither deeper meditative experience and good command of themselves ,
they more than often end up with 'strange experiences' and sometimes in emergency units .

I've also heard that here 'in the West' there are genetically engineered plants grown that have large amounts of THC , that's the chemical supposedly making you feel 'high' .
Well, the truth is .. that the original marijuana plant may have had balanced amount of chemicals and hence also , moderate healing properties .

The same way tobacco was originally used in 'peace pipes' by Native American and other tribes
but proliferated to neurotic , habitual and smelly habit in modern , mundane society ,

the so called 'recreational use of marijuana' by many young people who are in evolution, don't know what's happening with them but push the hurdle hard to lose their minds on drugs can be dangerous to them .

It's effects wean off easily though so going 'cold turkey' is certainly the first aid option.

:coffee::heart:

Lifebringer

8th May 2015, 11:25

Sheesh AMystic, 12? Were you suicidal or something? I've heard of2, 3 and 4 bang LSD hits, but 12? You're either here for something important or one very lucky soul vehicle. Be careful w/peer pressure, it will kill ya. The dare days were pretty dangerous, eh?:facepalm:

Selkie

8th May 2015, 11:51

...As far as calming the voices they are usually only there when im alone when im talking to people or around people they get quiet which bugs me out cause it feels like im being watched by them
I see. Man, I am really sorry to hear that.

prc

8th May 2015, 12:05

Hi,

I wanted to tell you that I have schizophrenic on my family and voices disappeared and the treatment was successful after taking the medicine named GEODON produced by PFIZER.
So if it is really schizophrenia you could try the same medicine and see how it goes.

Hervé

8th May 2015, 12:26

Regarding the targetting of individuals, facilitated by psychothropic drugs "experiences," read that PDF by Dr. Robert Duncan:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan

A very simple technique which might help and/or bring some relief: Zero point core grounding - the easy way (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81096-Zero-point-core-grounding-the-easy-way)

Ikarusion

8th May 2015, 12:26

After I took all that LSD I just could never relax anymore. Always felt a figet in my stomache also I wanted nothing to do with my past I thought it was all a lie.
so since then you mainly smoke to relax i take it?
where there maybe any kind of past traumas that you subconciously wanted to block out?

i am still curious what made you take such a huge dose of lsd.. is(was) 12 your lucky number?

i really think you should pick up meditation to calm yourself. it will probably be kinda hard in the beginning though.

TheVoyager

8th May 2015, 12:44

AMystic3434 , drugs open inter dimensional doors. When we enter the game of another we become subject to the laws of the game of another. That's why curiosity killed the cat. You've opened your door each time you've taken drugs, so one of the results might very well be the voices in your head. No, not everybody should and feel the same after having taken drugs. This would be like saying that everybody should feel the same after they've taken the same meal. Impossible.

We can't really know what is the reason for you issue until you go to the original cause of the effect, which is the issue you have at the present time, clear it, heal the reason of why have you taken drugs in the first place and break the agreements/ agreements of entrapment and the interferences that you've invited in; on all levels and all dimensions.

I would not recommend to take any official medicine that is given nowadays for this type of labels (schizophrenia, bipolar etc.) since they lower our defenses which results again in opening ourselves to other interferences. It's like we would open the door to our house to anybody or anything that can enter. Well be assured that somebody or something will then enter and will start to rearrange our home, take things out, destroying, using etc… i.e. making our home theirs. That's why people on psychotropic drugs can behave in unrecognizable way (because at the time when they act "weird" it is not their spirit that is driving their vehicle but those invading forces) and many times they commit a suicide, driven by those forces. There is a larger agenda behind this and much is written about it when we know how to connect the pieces of the puzzle.

You might want to have a look at Holographic Kinetics healing modality. It is based on Australian aboriginal knowledge of the laws of Lore and their understanding that all things in nature have a life force known as spirit, that can be communicated with.
It is a conscious and fast journey that takes you straight back to the original cause of your issues, clear them and heal them on all levels and all dimensions. You get to break the agreements and you get rid of interferences, if there is any present as a result of that issue.

Have a look at this video introduction of Steve Richards, the founder of Holographic Kinetics, talking about inter-dimensional interferences.

A-Texwhn91A

uzn

8th May 2015, 12:52

Hi amystic3434,
there is a good Chance that you are perfectly well. Fist of all there are 2 kinds of voices, and if not really well trained one should not listen to either of them. The first Kind are Spirits (non boby entities) and they always have an Agenda. Like you said, they are disappointed by you and want you to do this or think that. Untrained you cannot tell the difference between good and evil (lost) Spirits. The evil ones tend to lie whenever it suits them (sometimes posing as being good), the good ones will tell the truth. So no easy way to tell the difference. Spirits are easy called but hard to get rid of. DONT give up to them or if asked if they can enter you dont give them your permission, if you do your in big Trouble (possessed). If you are dealing with Spirits try to get their real names. Just ask them, if they do not comply dont talk to them anymore (that bugs them). If you have their Name you have power over them. You can call them whenever you like, call out their Name 3 times. You then can command them to leave you alone. The second Kind is hightec. Some BlackOps have the ability to put voices in your head over long distances (works with frequencies similar to brainwaves) and they can listen in to your surrounding so they know what you say. Either way if you feel that the voices have an Agenda (trying to get you to do something or believe something) than they are not the nice Kind.
To the other replies: Drugs are not Triggers, they are amplifiers. The voices would have come anyway, with drugs they came sooner.
Sorry about the large letters in the text (german Textcorrection).
be strong

shadowstalker

8th May 2015, 13:02

Pam

8th May 2015, 13:08

I have just been witness to a 67 year old man that started smoking marijuana after it was legalized. He had smoked it in his youth, but not for many, many years. To make a strong story short, it triggered a full blown psychotic state that lasted for months. Apparently, there is a portion of the population that cannot tolerate MJ.

I can't imagine a true spiritual guide would tell you that you are going to hell, so I suspect that you too are experiencing delusions, brought on by the MJ. I am guessing you will be very vulnerable to this and must guard your mental health. There are proactive things you can do as well. Making sure you have nutritious food and taking a good quality B complex vitamin for instance. It's also important to get enough good quality sleep.

Wishing you the best AMystic3434.

Hervé

8th May 2015, 13:33

Flash

8th May 2015, 13:46

It might also be worth your time to dig into the story of a (former) member going by the nickname "Justone" and who had similar side effects to MJ. The morale of his story: QUIT that stuff!

Ive been hearing voices for about 10 years on and off they mainly come when I smoke marijuana for about a month straight....

[...]

A psychiatrist from one of a main hospital in our capital told me once that nowadays they have a lot of cases of Young people who end up in psychiatric wards whom would never had had any mental disease diagnosis just 20 years ago.

He told me that marijuana is soooooo much more potent than it was years ago, and that sooooo mixed with other stuff, both have independently a huge effect on the brain.

He also told me that lots of time the symptoms are irreversible, the brain has changed and won't go back.

In old hippie's terms, they have fried their brain.

Stop frying yours.

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I do not buy at all the targetted individual with microwaves for heavy pot smokers or cocaine addicts or heroin addicts or alcoolics. All these drugs make you hallucinate when over consumed.

But I do think that drugs may open interdimensional doors and get you with suckers who in turn make you hallucinate.

But this is not important, it is the drug that has to be stopped.

When younger after a full year of daily smoking stuff that was naturally biologically grown and which was much less potent than today's seeds, i was becoming paranoi pretty much. So I stopped smoking instead of losing my brain to it.

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And apart from being Joan of Arc, the voices should not be there, that they are nice or not, mostly when they bring nothing to your life or others life. Period. Do not excuse them or it.

Innocent Warrior

8th May 2015, 13:50

One thing has been bugging me, that the voices come and go. I've never heard of the voices etc. coming and going, varying in intensity on different days or at different times - yes, but coming and going - no. This also depends on how consistent you have been with taking your medication?

This has got me leaning more towards some adverse affect from mj and that Omni's approach is also worth considering.

P.S. I'd still go with the shaman, either way.

regnak

8th May 2015, 15:32

if you are hearing voices seek professional help it could any number of things from possession to channel we are divine I would open myself to the divine and request guidance I would personally seek out Qigong (healing ) one who specialist in daoist ( special in possession ) . herbs here I think are a necessity so go to your local herbalist I have read of herbs to take but seek expert advice one far more knowledge than me.

give up what your are smoking for if you continue it might come back or get worse

Tesla_WTC_Solution

8th May 2015, 16:24

Hello there AMystic3434 :)

First, although you report this issue to have been ongoing for 10 years,
remember that for many issues there are treatments constantly being discovered,
often far superior to the crap being tossed at us by "mainstream" medicine.

One recent factor that many doctors are starting to consider in mental illness, its development and diagnosis, and of course, treatment, is hereditary malnutrition!

What I mean by that is, some people are born with or acquire later, the inability for their bodies to tolerate their own Folate (vitamin B) receptors.

Which means that as a person ages and becomes more and more stressed, the body's reserves of folate and also its folate receptors become vastly depleted.

When the body reaches this point of vitamin B starvation, all kinds of weird symptoms arise.

A good disease to research to support the view that these illnesses may be nutritional is Pellagra.

Pellagra is acute folate-defiency that causes all manner of hallucination.

Do your finger nails have any deformations?
When I have low vitamins, mine have vertical ridges and small pits in them,
indicating that my body is missing some essential element or other.

And we, being physical machines on top of being spiritual beings, must have our parts in order, or we can't do our work.

Don't let people tell you, it's all in your head;
our quantum universe is way too wacky for that.

I've noticed recently that some doctors really don't want to give out the schizophrenia diagnosis even when a patient asks... so there could really be something to this vitamin thing.

The last big doctor I saw is retired now but he introduced me to a vitamin preparation called "D-Methylfolate" or DEPLIN for short.

It's new and expensive, but it could be possible to get it another way or through CRowdfunding. (a new wonderful thing).

I struggle all the time with my own issues that stem from Asperger's and hereditary vitamin deficiency, God knows what else lol, but dealing with the diet is #1 issue, #2 is controlling when you get up in the morning NOT when you go to bed, according to this doctor, and #3 was exercise.

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three years ago I stayed for a week or so in a homeless shelter.
When I told them about my PTSD they threw me in with the women who suffered OCD and schizophrenia, so I got to see first hand what those symptoms are like.

One woman had a hell of a time going to bed because she thought she was hearing or WAS hearing the upstairs neighbors play loud music. I no longer have amazing hearing and was unable to confirm/deny.

The other women told me awful things about this patient, i.e. "she's a witch" the whole nine yards, but honestly they didnt' understand her illness and were very afraid.

however yet another schizophrenic tenant had an extremely negative spiritual reaction to me personally out in the smoking area. SHe said "why have you been troubling me in the spirit for the last 3 years?" and the funny thing was I'd lived in that city for 3 years.

Go figure, lots of the other women said things that were true, in between the things that were crazy..

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p.p.s. about the Marijuana. Personally I don't think it's the cause of positive symptoms i.e. hallucinations. however it can send your metabolism trending toward the place where that can happen. some people need to watch their blood sugar and vitamin intake like hawks, as smoking ANY substances causes vitamin depletion and metabolic change :)

most serious potheads take a pot break, the naturopaths say about two days per month or you worry too much.

Think Twice before Blaming That Weed:

http://www.attn.com/stories/83/new-study-marijuana-slows-down-alzheimers-disease

New Study: Marijuana Slows Down Alzheimer's Disease

http://norml.org/library/item/amyotrophic-lateral-sclerosis-als

recent preclinical findings indicate that cannabinoids can delay ALS progression, lending support to anecdotal reports by patients that cannabinoids may be efficacious in moderating the disease’s development and in alleviating certain ALS-related symptoms such as pain, appetite loss, depression and drooling.[1]

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Doctors really should get current before lambasting the weed.
Because lots of people would have had health issues either way,
and it's just an easy thing to blame.

I know MJ can change the brain but that does not mean it's destroying a thing...
how can something that prevents Alzheimers from killing you be bad?

I think it's a gift from God, and that's what I tell my family who suffers from cancer and other crap... they don't like hearing that from a low life but it's still the truth and the most recent truth, just ask Dr. Gupta from CNN

Valley

9th May 2015, 02:34

I have known a couple different people who have also dealt with voices similar like those you describe... and I've asked them a lot of questions about their experiences. What I found was that the negative voices would get quieter and disappear completely when these people were doing things that they enjoyed. Sometimes talking to and being with others they get along with, singing/chanting, listening to positive music, working on meaningful projects, or connecting with Nature would cause them to vanish... but it was always when they were doing the things that they enjoyed doing, activities that had positive meaning for them.

Both of these people had difficulties with bouts of depression and low self-esteem/self-love... This seems to be what could have attracted these beings. These 'dark' beings seem almost like a type of energetic parasite, feeding off the negative energies emitted by people in lower states of mind. ...Kind of like a fly attracted to manure.

So if you can get yourself to stay in more positive frames of mind by doing and thinking about the things you enjoy and has deeper meaning for you... I expect that these voices, will not be bothering you much at all. Identifying yourself with any 'problematic' words like schizoid will not help anything at all in my view. I think you can easily get this under control simply by moving forward in life and focusing on positive and meaningful activities and thinking. You are still in control of your mind, Yes?

Love & Blessings...

Czarek

9th May 2015, 03:17

[QUOTE=Omniverse;959574]It is either schizophrenia, or microwave hearing technology and you are a targeted individual IMO. The negative comments sounds like microwave hearing to me, but I am not an expert on schizophrenia. I just know lots of people are misdiagnosed due to targeting. They like to hit people with the voices so they get schizophrenia diagnosis and get on harmful meds, as well as the character assassination of such events.

If the meds do nothing for you and it continues after you stop smoking, it may be more likely targeting IMHO.[/QUOTE

can this attack be avoided? I wonder if Faraday cage would work. You can find one at your local hospital that has the MRI unit. All MRI units sit in massive rooms that are shielded. i.e. they are in fact massive faraday cages.

ghostrider

9th May 2015, 04:14

it is said that will long term use , cannabis destroys brain cells ... the PTB have weapons that makes you hear voices ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7yZUohJ8gg the HAARP conspiracy ... the scientist demonstrates how easy it is , to make voices in your mind ...

Omni

9th May 2015, 05:48

can this attack be avoided? I wonder if Faraday cage would work. You can find one at your local hospital that has the MRI unit. All MRI units sit in massive rooms that are shielded. i.e. they are in fact massive faraday cages.
With the highest priority targets in my experiences no technological attack can be avoided. I have been under 1,000 feet of rock in a cave, and still had my body controlled, electronic telepathy, and mind control. I would think they have to have interdimensional anti-grav flight capable satellites that follow people around for who knows how many targets(I am one). They have spent trillions on this I'm pretty sure so they are building more and more every day... Also I believe this can be done by orbital satellites. If it is an orbital satellite there are ways to shield from 'some' types of targeting. Some advanced technology like scalar waves travel through the Earth and environment as far as I know(I could be wrong but I did confirm that somewhere online).

With implants nothing can be avoided IMHO, unless benevolent ET intervention occurs. They are nano sized at times, removing them is impossible. Even if they were big, it's not like you can cut into the brain.... They can insert implants via teleportation, as well as with a device that crawls behind the eyes(I experienced such a device one night). They do not need to abduct to install any implant...

And with that being said I would say there is nothing to fear from targeting(if that even makes any sense). I am one of the most severe targets on Earth no doubt, and I am still happy with my life(my manifestation has a big deal to do with that). Like Bill Hicks says "It's just a ride" (talking about life). After so much torture I've reached a sort of type of enlightenment from it(not all encompassing , just a programming i would relate to enlightenment). May sound really weird, but I'm thankful torture can mean something good. Just goes to show the universe has all sorts of amazing qualities, including profoundly beautiful balancing factors.....

Edit: Forgot my biggest point(for me personally) not even bothering with a cage. I refuse to live that way. It isn't practical. And you do have to leave the cage.......

BongoBob

9th May 2015, 06:32

Also this article is related to this topic... It's called What a Shaman Sees in A Mental Hospital (http://themindunleashed.org/2014/08/shaman-sees-mental-hospital.html).

With schizophrenia, there is a special “receptivity to a flow of images and information, which cannot be controlled,” stated Dr. Somé. “When this kind of rush occurs at a time that is not personally chosen, and particularly when it comes with images that are scary and contradictory, the person goes into a frenzy.”

What is required in this situation is first to separate the person’s energy from the extraneous foreign energies, by using shamanic practice (what is known as a “sweep”) to clear the latter out of the individual’s aura. With the clearing of their energy field, the person no longer picks up a flood of information and so no longer has a reason to be scared and disturbed, explains Dr. Somé.

Then it is possible to help the person align with the energy of the spirit being attempting to come through from the other world and give birth to the healer. The blockage of that emergence is what creates problems. “The energy of the healer is a high-voltage energy,” he observes. “When it is blocked, it just burns up the person. It’s like a short-circuit. Fuses are blowing. This is why it can be really scary, and I understand why this culture prefers to confine these people. Here they are yelling and screaming, and they’re put into a straitjacket. That’s a sad image.” Again, the shamanic approach is to work on aligning the energies so there is no blockage, “fuses” aren’t blowing, and the person can become the healer they are meant to be.

It needs to be noted at this point, however, that not all of the spirit beings that enter a person’s energetic field are there for the purposes of promoting healing. There are negative energies as well, which are undesirable presences in the aura. In those cases, the shamanic approach is to remove them from the aura, rather than work to align the discordant energies.

In my experiences, I've read the article linked by Wind previously (it was the first thing that came to mind when I read your first post), and I believe the message sent here is a strong one. Schizophrenia is prevalent in our society because we've evolved (as a 'civilized culture') in a way to ignore the natural order of life. The spirit world tends to seek those whom are most easily available to contact. Hallucinogens work as portals to quickly force open the doors to these other realms, and if you're not ready for them they will bite, and bite hard, into your spirit. There's a double-edged sword here though, because those who seek to use hallicinogenic substances are those who are most ready to seek escape from the constant sensory bombardment and ignorance of our physical mother earth. I know, I'm one who followed this dreaded path for too long, and in some instances, still can't get over the urge of simplicity to follow parts of it.

Drugs like LSD, DMT, psilocybin, and marijuana are a tool for the human experience, and just like a bandsaw, they can cut you to pieces if you don't prepare yourself. At the same time, they also allow you to build the structures that help you plan for a great experience of life if used responsibly. Schizophrenia, in our society, is viewed as a deep and terrifying wound. Read the article above carefully, and realize that there is always a deeper meaning to our struggles. May these voices in your head be the work of a funky short circuit in your brain, or just the ramblings of some lost souls? sure. But in either case, please, please realize that they are not YOU, the soul-level you. They are just another challenge to overcome. If they continue to trouble you though, I would seek out the assistance of a shaman to help guide you through this challenge, because sometimes we need a new person to help guide us through certain parts of our lives.

I can't remember if the article Wind linked provided this information, but I remember reading an article where someone had taken some people with schizophrenia from a mental hospital, and took them to an african tribe for healing. The gist of this article was that the person who was sent for healing was allowed the opportunity to convey themselves with the earth through working with the land, which cured them of the issue of schizophrenia.

Our minds in this current age become so jumbled and confronted with so many topics of discussion and experiences on a daily basis, that it's hard to reconcile every little blinking light in a responsible way. I'd suggest if you can, to convey yourself with the lands around you for a long period of time to ground yourself with the nature of the living worlds around you. Camping, hiking, meditating, and hugging the biggest and most loving trees around you if you can.. Best wishes on your journey.

Aspen

9th May 2015, 07:40

trace minerals are also being used to treat schizophrenia. Empower Plus is one such remedy. You can find it on truehope.com This is a good product that has been very helpful for Depression, Anxiety and Bipolar. Another thing that might be worth trying is radionics. A practioner I know has been successful in treating schizophrenia. Although what you have may not be schizophrenia. Hard to say without a thorough assessment.

Tesla_WTC_Solution

9th May 2015, 18:21

In early college years I had a college professor entreat me to move far far away from hometown, get a job, get independent,
i.e. perform a "full system flush". This was a veteran of the English language, a person who had read many books in his life and was of the opinion that people need to breathe.

If you can safely rent a basement room from some nice lady in a town away from the men controlling your life,
I think within days or weeks you'd notice such a huge difference...

imagine sleeping down there where it's quiet and insulated,
and first thing in the morning, getting up and having a shower,
going out and jogging with other people from the city,
going to the library checking email then being able to anonymously go home and unplug...

sounds ideal to me, not even having a cell phone unless you want it for the camera,
don't leave a mailing address with your abusers,
simply move and get a doctor who understands women in your new town,
is what I think is good advice --

based on what some old man told me to do at age 19,
wish i had listened to him sometimes..
would never have joined the military and gotten screwed up.
veteran and acid victims probably have a lot of brain damage in common,
let's laugh at the grave together --

and celebrate the springtime with a pact of independence.
don't let people make you feel guilty if you've never been independent of the opinions of others.