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greybeard
21st May 2015, 12:11
Gregg talks about magnetic pole reversal in the first video posted and in the next part posted----Ancient text speak of the earth stopped rotating for three days.
The three days of darkness/light depending on which side of the earth they were on.
Its a fairly old video called zero point.
For me its a may be so as far as to it ever happening again
Worth going to part one on u tube.
Gregg plays the flute in the intro.
Chris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCX9G_d1Bxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgJ-uOk4lm0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgJ-uOk4lm0
Thank you for the reminder Chris.
I have always liked Gregg's work but that has been awhile.
Interesting times.
WhiteFeather
21st May 2015, 14:15
Thank you for the reminder Chris.
I have always liked Gregg's work but that has been awhile.
Interesting times.
Ditto that Calz. I have enjoyed Bradens work. Must get back to basics again. :sun:
aranuk
21st May 2015, 14:30
Hi Chris, thanks for the Gregg Braden videos. I am now watching the tenth section. I must watch the first four. Terrific stuff from Gregg 19 yrs ago. I was astonished to see that only 60 views on youtube. Now that is incredible for such a great talk. I think it was posted on youtube a year ago.
Stan
ghostrider
21st May 2015, 15:17
this goes along with what the ET's have said about Earth's past ... once long ago Earth's rotation was the other way , and her orbit was different ... also a comet twice her size dragged our moon to our system from another universe and was captured by Earth's gravity field , they say one day the moon will free herself from Earth's grasp ... they say Earth's rotation is speeding up for her size is decreasing with all the drilling and fracking , she is getting smaller ...
Aurelius
21st May 2015, 15:34
.... as we know Venus rotates (on its axis) in the wrong direction, before this happened it rotated the other way, at the transition point Venus would have been stationary for a period of time. This is natural phenomena and the reason this happens is explained here (http://livestream.com/ssiworkshops/ksworkshops/videos/87132729) (43mins).
I do agree with Braden because he is not the only one to talk about pole shift. I think it was last year that Dr. David Suzuki and another scientist (sorry I forgot the name) went on Australian television and made a daring statement. They said that they could not allow this disinformation to go out. They said that, as scientists, they believed from all the scientific information that they have seen that Larson’s Ledge in Australia will break off sometime ''within three years or less'' Dr. Suzuki even said that the aboriginal tribes said that they expected a huge wave to be coming, and many of these tribes are at this moment heading for the center of the continent to get as far inland as possible.
greybeard
21st May 2015, 19:19
Gregg was talking about magnetic pole shift over ten years ago.
Not that many took him seriously at that time and now quite a few are saying the same thing and there is even more proof that this is happening.
Suspicious Observers posted quite a bit about this and it appears that there may not be a reversal but that the two magnetic poles are moving towards each other, both may end up south of the equator, if I recall correctly.
Anyway worth checking out.
All this may or may not tie in with something big about to happen---I sincerely hope not.
Chris
RunningDeer
21st May 2015, 19:28
Thanks, Chris. Here's his complete lecture:
Geologist Gregg Braden describes the science behind the weakening of Earth's Magnetic Field, Earth and Solar changes, and how this relates to what the ancient cultures around the world call the 'Shift of the Ages''. Recorded in 1996, this describes the window of time that likely culminates in the time we are all living in now.
Awakening To Zero Point Gregg Braden- Part 1 of 2
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Awakening To Zero Point Gregg Braden - Part 2 of 2
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UPDATE:
Hi Chris, thanks for the Gregg Braden videos. I am now watching the tenth section. I must watch the first four. Terrific stuff from Gregg 19 yrs ago. I was astonished to see that only 60 views on youtube. Now that is incredible for such a great talk. I think it was posted on youtube a year ago.
Stan
Hi Stan,
More than 60 have watched. Many YouTubers repost on their personal sites to pass along, in this case, Gregg Braden's message.
Paula <3
greybeard
21st May 2015, 19:31
Thanks Paula that's great
This saves downloading countless short parts.
Much love to you
Chris
transiten
21st May 2015, 20:20
I just finished watching the whole lecture Running Dear and was considering posting it and now I see you already did! Listen to Greggs personal story in the end with the stunning synchronicities and for me a new perspective on what mirroring in relationships may be!
Tesla_WTC_Solution
21st May 2015, 21:08
Thank you for this thread.
Reminds me so much of the Mayan "Hero Twins" and the "Days of Darkness" they observed near our New Year.
I wonder if they had some cultural memory of this happening, in Mexico/South America...
seems to support the theory in your thread a great deal!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camazotz
http://goldenageofgaia.com/the-2012-scenario/the-time-of-troubles/three-days-of-darkness-this-story-has-legs/
Here for instance is a native writer who relates a story her grandmother used to tell and calls it “Three Days Of Darkness, A Mayan Story.”
“My Granny was scolding we children when we was very young… she told us we knew nothing of the challenge of the darkness. She said when she was very young, she and all the people woke up to no sun. She said she was so frightened for it was very dark without the sun and also too cold. She told me and my brothers and my sisters and my cousins that we take too much for granted, that we take for granted the sunshine and the moonshine, but that we would never do this again when we had lived through the three days of darkness.
“Granny said that the elders knew right away what to do in this time of no sun and no light. That this time had always been prophesied by the elders and had happened many, many times before. The wise people always prepared for this darkness by saving the old tortillas (corn tortilla chips). And so the elders began to build the fires, for the fires must be lit or the darkness can drive some to madness. And the people began to pray together and sing together and burn the tortillas together for this is the sacred food that the Gods desire. Granny says that the smoke of the tortilla carries the message to the Gods to please bring back the sun.
“My Granny said that when the people become too wicked, when we forget to worship the Gods and have respect for all life, that the Gods block out the sun to remind us of the sacred ways and the importance of worship and of gratitude for life. She said that for three long days, the villagers prayed and prayed and prayed together and to cease their hunger, they not only burnt the tortilla but also ate it. She said that the h’men (the shamans) would begin to get excited and happy as they felt their prayers being received and then the darkness would lift. She said in her time it took three long days but that she had heard stories of the darkness taking longer to leave. She said the Gods only return the light when enough people were praying in earnest.
“My Granny said the darkness would come again because it always comes, because the people always stray far from their Creator and must be reminded time and time and time again… My Granny told us to behave well with good intentions. She told us this story to keep alive the memories and the knowledge of what to expect and of what to do. And so right now I save my old tortillas and I gather my firewood and I prepare my children and grandchildren with the stories because my body tells me that the time is almost here.” (1)
I found an Avalon thread on google lol:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38592-The-Science-Behind-3-Days-of-Darkness
greybeard
21st May 2015, 21:38
Thanks Tesla
I checked the OP on that thread, Gregg did the zero point video 19 years ago.
Was he ahead of his time!!!!!!
Chris
Tesla_WTC_Solution
22nd May 2015, 03:48
I think it's possible this might have happened;
I imagine a basketball traveling along the shoulders of a child and changing direction, while retaining its shape and tendency to spin.
Perhaps it's naive to imagine that the earth could stop turning,
but there was a Biblical account (the day the sundial went back) and the Mayan account scared me more, the days of darkness;
finding that dang anecdote "my granny's mayan story" was profoundly shaking; not sure where that came from.
I didn't realize the man had posited this 19 years ago though.
Time flies!
Anything is possible but
The earth stopped rotating according to Gregg Braden is a bit too much ... otherwise we would not have day and night nowadays (like we normally have) if that was true.
greybeard
22nd May 2015, 06:58
Anything is possible but
The earth stopped rotating according to Gregg Braden is a bit too much ... otherwise we would not have day and night nowadays (like we normally have) if that was true.
Yes but it only stopped for three days then resumed rotating/
Hence the accounts of three days of darkness or light depending where you lived on Earth.
Chris
transiten
22nd May 2015, 10:18
Yes Tesla! 19 years ago and Mercury retrograde brings old themes to the fore, one of them me "attracting" a dysfunctional relationship into my life 19 years ago that made me want to as a Swedish saying goes "Stop the world i want to jump off"
Don't want to derail the theme of the thread but listening to the whole lecture brought me Greggs "Evil- and Good Twin Synchronicity Story" confirming my take on synchronicity that it might not only bring roses but also thorns. That might not mean you're not on the "right path" though, the "right path" might mean you have choosen to go through a hard lesson.
These synchronicities with pple and situations I thought were the right for me at the time but they were as well the road to hell. Like Gregg said he repressed his gutfeeling in connection with the synchronicity with the guy born the same day and year as himself since the person seemed to fit right into his plans and interests. The second time out of fear of making the same mistake he almost declined the offer from a woman who also "happened" to be born at the same time but who turned out to become his best colleague and friend ever and who came in the right moment into his life!
It's all about gutfeeling and discernment; not an easy task. What is proper intuition that something is wrong versus inappropriate fear that stems from earlier experiences?
Just found this http://www.thenewearth.org/newearth2.html#1 have not read it through but might be an interesting read and fit in with ancient prophesis of Earth Changes and Human transformation.
Anything is possible but
The earth stopped rotating according to Gregg Braden is a bit too much ... otherwise we would not have day and night nowadays (like we normally have) if that was true.
Yes but it only stopped for three days then resumed rotating/
Hence the accounts of three days of darkness or light depending where you lived on Earth.
Chris
From my experiences with reading esoteric materials many terms are symbolic, when they deal with alternative dimensions.
Our sense of time is governed by our clocks, and hence linear.
Yet from higher perspectives a "day" equals a "year" and even 1000 years.
And "stopping" could well mean arrested development.
I would not ever think of these prophecies in literal terms.
Nikola Tesla
22nd May 2015, 11:51
Chris I have read in the old Colbrin bible (egyptian text) about this 3 days rotating stop. Is when nibiru (planet x) pass the solar system and his magnetic force stop our planet for three days. Marshall Masters is talking about a lot on youtube and his site http://yowusa.com/
I have bean read all his books, and many others regarding this, but I really dont know what to believe. If Nibiru passes by, we cant do anything, therefore I do not break my mind with this anymore.
greybeard
22nd May 2015, 12:12
A more recent Gregg Braden interview.
Its not on the same subject and a bit more laid back.
But a good balance between the early talk and the more recent.
Chris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKl2je_I5Xo
greybeard
22nd May 2015, 12:27
Anything is possible but
The earth stopped rotating according to Gregg Braden is a bit too much ... otherwise we would not have day and night nowadays (like we normally have) if that was true.
Yes but it only stopped for three days then resumed rotating/
Hence the accounts of three days of darkness or light depending where you lived on Earth.
Chris
From my experiences with reading esoteric materials many terms are symbolic, when they deal with alternative dimensions.
Our sense of time is governed by our clocks, and hence linear.
Yet from higher perspectives a "day" equals a "year" and even 1000 years.
And "stopping" could well mean arrested development.
I would not ever think of these prophecies in literal terms.
Yes Ulll l agree regarding prophecies and time.
However Gregg is very specific in quoting various ancient text from different parts of the world---its not a future event in that it seems that it did actually happen.
His talk is long but interesting and covers a lot of ground in an understandable way.
Seems that the magnetic poles have reversed up to 14 times and there is scientific proof of this.
There is also scientific proof at least according to Gregg that the rotation of the earth is currently slowing down
The title of the video Zero Point refers to zero magnetism and other phenomena.
I think the full video, as posted by Paula, requires several viewings to get a hang of it and that is quite time consuming, but worth it I think.
Chris
transiten
22nd May 2015, 13:52
What thought might you guys have about why Gregg told his private story in connection with this scientific lecture?
Hervé
22nd May 2015, 14:13
Yep!
Sure!
The earth quit swinging from time to time :)
Actually, she does that every year!
Well... twice a year, really.
Yep! She does that every year for three (3) days and not that many people notice it. She goes smooth as oil on stormy waters...
Let me do some 'splaining:
First one has to be aware and beware of the end results of Chinese whispers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers) going the length of China's Great Wall, time-wise. The starting story and the ending, current one may still -- maybe -- have one or two words in common, at best. The rest got lost via misunderstanding, mishearing, misinterpretation, mistranslation, Mercury retrogrades, etc... see, because Mercury and Venus keep doing that too: one day they can be seen on the eastern horizon then they go dark and disappear to reappear on the Western horizon... chucks! What happened?
So, maybe the story came from someone looking at Earth from Mars or Jupiter?
Imagine the cold sweat someone playing with sticky sticks, menhirs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menhir) or mountain peaks and their shadows the day that individual noticed the shadow quit moving, neither up nor down... and for three (3) consecutive days!
For some mysterious reasons, that shadow length is most noticeable during the winter; although a similar thing occurs during summer time... so that during darkness times, the skies are frozen in place and quit moving for three (3) days!
Waooowww... scary sh*t!
Time to appease the gods and warm up the skies... with a burning log... and Yule Tide was born out of the collective imagination :) ... and fellows with an inclination for geometric arts started scratching their heads... to come up with the winter solstice... then, like us now, they face an insurmountable problem: how to pass on knowledge to an ignorant people?
Celtic people choreographed their knowledge of Equinox precessions into a dance which visually describes the motion of stars on a 24 repeat of steps getting everyone back to their initial position. So did the Dogons with the Sirius binary and the Egyptians translated their "Book of the Dead" into a card game known as the "Tarot."
As equally as in our current times, in those times there were people inclined to make a buck out of people's fears and turned "Winter Solstice" into "End of the World" catastrophes... cycles repeating themselves.
Yep, the earth sure stops moving for three (3) days twice a year... but the Great Wall of China length's Chinese Whispers turned the "Quit tilting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season#Mid-latitude_astronomical)" into "Quit rotating" probably by quick-buck artists in anticipation of people's fear reactions: "Need to sell your coastal resort to escape to high mountains? I'll do you a favor, I'll buy it from you for a few pennies..."
Anyway, folks, seriously... get an idea of what inertia and gyroscopic effect (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76790-How-Come-Gravity-Doesn-t-Give-A-Hoot-About-Weight&p=902601&viewfull=1#post902601) are and apply it to such a massive body as Earth.
Because, in order to disengage the earth's crust from the earth's core (as in gear-shifting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutch)), the size and weight of an impacting object (as in a game of pool/billiard) needed would imply a total smashing of said crust (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72519-There-May-Be-an-Ancient-Earth-Inside-Earth&p=847724&viewfull=1#post847724) as happened some 3 to 4 billions years ago (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82451-Earth-Infancy&p=963943&viewfull=1#post963943).
:bigfish:
Agape
22nd May 2015, 14:17
I thought you've got away with the ''Flat Earth Thread'' and now this !!! :ROFL::flower:
greybeard
22nd May 2015, 14:23
What thought might you guys have about why Gregg told his private story in connection with this scientific lecture?
Hi transiten
Think he was pointing out that he was being shown that he was not loving in being judgemental.
In the science of it if he changed his patterns then he changed his world and therefore every one else as it is holographic.
So at this time its important to be loving and let go negative thoughts towards others---to be compassionate but discernment required.
Discernment is not judging, just accepting that people are as they are----you don't have to spend time with people who are not trustworthy though.
When the lesson is learned the situation changes.
Its scientific in that the end result is predictable in that change of attitude brings about change---its energetic---you don't have to make change happen it just does. The repeating pattern no longer operates--there is a new one.
That's my understanding--not saying I’m right
Chris
transiten
22nd May 2015, 14:48
Exactly Greybeard! And the new perspective for me was that the mirroring doesn't necessarily show that you have the same flaws as the mirror but shows your judgemental attitude towards those who have these flaws...veeeery difficult to handle in a loving way. I'm in a situation like this now but not as severe and this gave me something to chew on...
Also I like those researchers who dare to be personal and make these connections, there are some others but not many, David Wilcock is one although most pple think he's got a hughe Ego....
transiten
22nd May 2015, 14:59
Well Hervé this seems quite reasonable but does it contradict the fact that there are recurring poleshifts?
Hervé
22nd May 2015, 15:20
Well Hervé this seems quite reasonable but does it contradict the fact that there are recurring poleshifts?
Nothing to do with the price of fish :)
Because, first of all when one mentions "Poles Shifts" one has to specify what kind: Rotation axis? Intersect of rotation axis with crust? Magnetic?
For the former, see inertia and gyroscope (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76790-How-Come-Gravity-Doesn-t-Give-A-Hoot-About-Weight&p=902601&viewfull=1#post902601) for the inherent difficulty to achieve such. As for the latter, yes, it has happened many times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics#Magnetic_striping) and if a people were using a magnetic compass to determine East and West rather than sun and stars, then, yes, a sun rising at a compass "West" and setting "East" on same compass -- and vice-versa -- has happened many times during earth's geological history. Not sure if it were "humans" who used said compass, though :)
In any case, a magnetic polarity shift would sure confuse the bejesus out of any living earth organism depending on stable magnetic flux for orientation.
greybeard
22nd May 2015, 15:28
Exactly Greybeard! And the new perspective for me was that the mirroring doesn't necessarily show that you have the same flaws as the mirror but shows your judgemental attitude towards those who have these flaws...veeeery difficult to handle in a loving way. I'm in a situation like this now but not as severe and this gave me something to chew on...
Also I like those researchers who dare to be personal and make these connections, there are some others but not many, David Wilcock is one although most pple think he's got a hughe Ego....
Yes transiten
I agree whole heartedly---my life has been far from easy in personal relationships but I thank every person who seemed to make it difficult, they taught me to let go of intense jealousy, rejection and a feeling that life was unfair and that I deserved more from these traumatic relationships.
I am now easy with life and relationships just a they are.
I feel that Gregg is a caring person and professional in his research--that does not necessarily make him right in everything he says, but I would not be in a hurry to throw the baby out with the bath water.
However which is the bath water and which is the baby--smiling
As he is a qualified geologist I would take it that his research on core samples etc is showing that at least part of his talk is so.
The fact that he works with Heart Maths is also a strong indicator of his nature.
It would seem that he has a strong desire to educate people to the fact that raising ones personal consciousness--heart vibration is very important to the survival of the human race and planet earth ---all is connected.
You make a difference.
Love Chris
Ps whales etc are beaching perhaps because they are affected by the change in position of magnetic poles that is going on.
araucaria
22nd May 2015, 16:13
If the earth were suddenly to stop rotating, we might all be in deep trouble, because none of us are wearing safety belts. We are travelling up to 40,000 km per day at the equator, which is 1666.666 km per hour. If you suddenly ram on the brakes, you would expect any passengers to be propelled forward like a motorcyclist coming off his bike and smashing into the first fixture in front of him (indeed many supposed fixtures would likely be sheared off as well). If there were a mechanism to prevent this happening, that same mechanism would also prevent any movement around the planet, which is patently not the case.
If the earth were suddenly to stop rotating, we might all be in deep trouble, because none of us are wearing safety belts. We are travelling up to 40,000 km per day at the equator, which is 1666.666 km per hour. If you suddenly ram on the brakes, you would expect any passengers to be propelled forward like a motorcyclist coming off his bike and smashing into the first fixture in front of him (indeed many supposed fixtures would likely be sheared off as well). If there were a mechanism to prevent this happening, that same mechanism would also prevent any movement around the planet, which is patently not the case.
...not to forget the 1000+ km per hour windstorms, as the atmosphere would continue to move.
Also ocean waters, desert sands- anything that is not cemented to rock.
To me it all sounds like someone has been reading too many J.G. Ballard novels.
aranuk
22nd May 2015, 20:35
I just finished watching the whole lecture Running Dear and was considering posting it and now I see you already did! Listen to Greggs personal story in the end with the stunning synchronicities and for me a new perspective on what mirroring in relationships may be!
Hi Transiten, The mirroring of relationships I find also interesting. I remember about twenty years ago I read somewhere on the internet something similar it went like this: When you are having a heated argument especially with a loved one, mainly spouse or partner there is a certain phenomena going on between the two people. It was I think described as an emotional interface. Lets say my wife screams at me accusing me of not paying her any attention. That message is coming directly to me from my Higher Self. My H.S. is really saying to me, through her, that I don't heed the messages they are sending to me. Anything else she screams at me is my H.S. letting me know more details about the lack of communication. Something like that. Have you heard anything like this Transiten or anyone else hear. I found it very interesting.
Stan
greybeard
22nd May 2015, 21:23
If the earth were suddenly to stop rotating, we might all be in deep trouble, because none of us are wearing safety belts. We are travelling up to 40,000 km per day at the equator, which is 1666.666 km per hour. If you suddenly ram on the brakes, you would expect any passengers to be propelled forward like a motorcyclist coming off his bike and smashing into the first fixture in front of him (indeed many supposed fixtures would likely be sheared off as well). If there were a mechanism to prevent this happening, that same mechanism would also prevent any movement around the planet, which is patently not the case.
araucaria I agree it sure takes a lot of believing and I'm not saying I do or don't.
The only thing in favour of Gregg stating this is the writing of various people in different parts of the world, seemingly in the same period of historic time.
Cant see why they would write similar accounts if it did not happen in their time.
Gregg did not say it was a sudden dramatic stopping of rotation, more that rotation slowed then came to a halt.
He himself said that as a Geologist he thought it impossible--then he investigated further.
I suppose if he wanted he could find proof of this, if it is what he wanted to find.
In favour of what he said---he is a professional not your man next door---so he is expressing what he believes as a professional scientist at that time.
As said before that does not make him right on all counts.
Best wishes
Chris
pabranno
22nd May 2015, 22:19
I just happened to recently read about Padre Pio's letter regarding three days of darkness, January 1950....
Perhaps another expression of the three days of darkness archetype, just different colors.
aranuk
22nd May 2015, 23:51
I just finished watching the whole lecture Running Dear and was considering posting it and now I see you already did! Listen to Greggs personal story in the end with the stunning synchronicities and for me a new perspective on what mirroring in relationships may be!
Hi Transiten, The mirroring of relationships I find also interesting. I remember about twenty years ago I read somewhere on the internet something similar it went like this: When you are having a heated argument especially with a loved one, mainly spouse or partner there is a certain phenomena going on between the two people. It was I think described as an emotional interface. Lets say my wife screams at me accusing me of not paying her any attention. That message is coming directly to me from my Higher Self. My H.S. is really saying to me, through her, that I don't heed the messages they are sending to me. Anything else she screams at me is my H.S. letting me know more details about the lack of communication. Something like that. Have you heard anything like this Transiten or anyone else hear. I found it very interesting.
Stan
I can't remember that anything that I say to my wife has any meaning to her as in my own case my wife is not in any way spiritually aware. As far as I can remember it is only the person who is aware of a H.S. that this applies to. Maybe I picked it up wrong. The channeller who I spoke to about this was Daniel Jacobs who channels Reconnections. He is a cool dude.
Stan
aranuk
23rd May 2015, 00:08
Maybe Ulli and Transiten as astrologers will know about this as I do. When there is no understanding or knowledge concerning a specific influence from the stars and the planets in relation to our natal planets then the ignorance of what is happening in relation to the planets is manifested in outer methods. Only when we realise that there is an Astrological effect can we adjust our minds to accept that what is defined. When we do not realise or are ignorant of such an occurrence then things start to manifest in an outer physical way. Ulli, help me out here you know what I am trying to say. I was told by my Higher Self many years ago that they have always been guiding me but I was so immune to the subtle nudges they offered me that they started a new strategy by throwing huge boulders in front of my steps so I would not ignore their messages. They wished that I was not as stubborn or foolhardy as they were preferring the subtle approach which was to no avail with me. So they now go through my wife to tell me things I should know. My wife has no idea at all about this.
Stan
Stan
East Sun
23rd May 2015, 00:24
The great flood as well as three days of darkness are mentioned in the the OT.
Since most things from ancient times have been kept from us and only revealed as myth which they were not I for one have no problem
believing the things mentioned above,
Why would those things ever be mentioned if they were not true?
There is more and more evidence coming to light because of more communication between peoples of the Earth.
If there are polar shifts in our near future it'll make things more interesting will it not?
We're living in 'interesting' times as has been observed here on PA.
Agape
23rd May 2015, 00:38
I think that Astrology is not more or less than a system , more like your computer program ,
it keeps to the Stars is excellent idea but the system , like an AI is not fully understood yet .
In India , the Kalachakra system , we understand that time revolves in several parallel timelines who interact together in certain cross points or better sequences of crossing time-lines ,
perpendicularly . It's like the perfect time predicting theory or a program , the game and struggle goes who can approximate the meaning of the timeless reality in all its detail .. we and them ,
our parallel selves are encountering each other between worlds and ..words
:bearhug:
greybeard
23rd May 2015, 08:59
Thanks to all who posted on the thread.
With me it is a "May be so".
Even if it happened in the distant past and some ancient writing says that something out of the ordinary did take place, that does not mean it will happen again.
Chris
greybeard
23rd May 2015, 10:06
Of interest but view with discretion
There is very little evidence, apart from ancient text, that the sun once rose in the west and set in the east.
Just an interesting story.
Before the existence of humans there might have been a physical pole shift--other planets have also flipped.
However all this was pre human so no need to be concerned.
So there you go
http://www.universetoday.com/558/did-the-earth-flip-over-in-the-past/
Here is a fairly recent article
http://www.scientiapress.com/reversing-earth-theory-gains-momentum
There are good reasons to think that Earth has turned over on various occasions. But who can be surprised that this notion—so removed from everyday experience and common sense—seems hard to accept?
The good reasons include telling evidence in myths and narrative testimony of the ancients, embedded patterns in ancient culture that give evidence of an inversion, possible physical evidence, and the insights and arguments of two formidable scientists. Now we can add new reasons that strengthen the case, and we can specify where to find more evidence. We can also see that understanding inversions can not only help us correct errors in interpreting past planetary and Earth science but also provide clues relevant to climate change and other present and future terrestrial phenomena.
- See more at: http://www.scientiapress.com/reversing-earth-theory-gains-momentum#sthash.uDDsbc7W.dpuf
The above is particularly of interest--much more on that site
http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthread.php?38048-Have-the-rotation-of-earth-changed-before&
http://phys.org/news/2014-03-poles-flip.html
Chris
araucaria
23rd May 2015, 10:13
If the earth were suddenly to stop rotating, we might all be in deep trouble, because none of us are wearing safety belts. We are travelling up to 40,000 km per day at the equator, which is 1666.666 km per hour. If you suddenly ram on the brakes, you would expect any passengers to be propelled forward like a motorcyclist coming off his bike and smashing into the first fixture in front of him (indeed many supposed fixtures would likely be sheared off as well). If there were a mechanism to prevent this happening, that same mechanism would also prevent any movement around the planet, which is patently not the case.
araucaria I agree it sure takes a lot of believing and I'm not saying I do or don't.
The only thing in favour of Gregg stating this is the writing of various people in different parts of the world, seemingly in the same period of historic time.
Cant see why they would write similar accounts if it did not happen in their time.
Gregg did not say it was a sudden dramatic stopping of rotation, more that rotation slowed then came to a halt.
He himself said that as a Geologist he thought it impossible--then he investigated further.
I suppose if he wanted he could find proof of this, if it is what he wanted to find.
In favour of what he said---he is a professional not your man next door---so he is expressing what he believes as a professional scientist at that time.
As said before that does not make him right on all counts.
Best wishes
Chris
Yes Chris, I take you point that it wouldn’t necessarily have to be a sudden stop. If we are on a sine wave, then one would expect on the contrary a very slow turn. If we consider the one we know, the three-day standstill as solstice comes at the end of a slow deceleration/acceleration lasting a full six months, with the fastest periods around the equinoxes. You lose up to four minutes daylight in October, compared with less than a minute in late December and early July. So when Gregg says that the Earth is slowing down with increasing deceleration, but only by tiny amounts, that would seem to put us in a position similar to July rather than December; in other words we are much closer to the last physical pole shift than to the next one. Hence the physical pole shift would be out of phase with the magnetic pole shift, which may well be imminent.
Another area where Gregg is not clear is the c. 3,500 year figure (or for that matter the 11-12,000 year figure). If, as he also states, there have been 14 pole shifts in 4.5 million years, that works out at only one per 320,000 years.
Thanks for an interesting thread. What I take away from most of these discussions is that every time we uncover new data, we also discover that something big is due to happen now. For instance, we find that extinction occur every 6.2 million years then that the last one was 6.2 million years ago – oops! Or that galactic superwaves happen every 13,000 years etc. The commonality of all these instances is that it is our consciousness that has reached a certain point, a crisis, meaning an opportunity and at the same time an imminent threat of death – which is no contradiction, given that our notion of death is the very misconception that this new level of consciousness is in the process of correcting.
greybeard
23rd May 2015, 10:34
Hi araucaria
thank you for your post.
For me the important point you have pointed to.
There is a rising of consciousness and that over rides everything.
At some point death of the body occurs for everyone, it inevitable and certainly not to be feared, though I would rather go quietly in my sleep.
So time spent on the spiritual evolution of the self, to realise the True Self, is is time well spent.
Best wishes
Chris
greybeard
23rd May 2015, 17:51
I have bumped this as I found more information on the links included
Of interest but view with discretion
There is very little evidence, apart from ancient text, that the sun once rose in the west and set in the east.
Just an interesting story.
Before the existence of humans there might have been a physical pole shift--other planets have also flipped.
However all this was pre human so no need to be concerned.
So there you go
http://www.universetoday.com/558/did-the-earth-flip-over-in-the-past/
Here is a fairly recent article
http://www.scientiapress.com/reversing-earth-theory-gains-momentum
There are good reasons to think that Earth has turned over on various occasions. But who can be surprised that this notion—so removed from everyday experience and common sense—seems hard to accept?
The good reasons include telling evidence in myths and narrative testimony of the ancients, embedded patterns in ancient culture that give evidence of an inversion, possible physical evidence, and the insights and arguments of two formidable scientists. Now we can add new reasons that strengthen the case, and we can specify where to find more evidence. We can also see that understanding inversions can not only help us correct errors in interpreting past planetary and Earth science but also provide clues relevant to climate change and other present and future terrestrial phenomena.
- See more at: http://www.scientiapress.com/reversing-earth-theory-gains-momentum#sthash.uDDsbc7W.dpuf
The above is particularly of interest--much more on that site
http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthread.php?38048-Have-the-rotation-of-earth-changed-before&
http://phys.org/news/2014-03-poles-flip.html
Chris
Michael Moewes
23rd May 2015, 20:02
I just went thru the whole series. and I really like it. What surprises me is that ther are so little people watching it. Because the information he gives is important.
That's more reliable as he's a scientist and a spiritual.
Live healthy, Live vegan
greybeard
23rd May 2015, 20:32
I just went thru the whole series. and I really like it. What surprises me is that ther are so little people watching it. Because the information he gives is important.
That's more reliable as he's a scientist and a spiritual.
Live healthy, Live vegan
Different things interest different people Michael I suppose.
However almost 2000 guests have visited this thread.
Main thing is you got a lot from it.
Thanks for your appreciation
Chris
Tesla_WTC_Solution
23rd May 2015, 21:22
Riddle me this.
What happens to the people at the poles when the earth changes direction.
Because surely the square mileage around the earth's turning axis is not accelerating or decelerating so fast.
Only the people at the equator or near it would have been flooded out, right?
What of the polar regions, the high mountains?
http://www.universetoday.com/26623/how-fast-does-the-earth-rotate/
The speed of the Earth’s rotation changes as you go North or South away from the equator. Finally, when you reach one of the Earth’s poles, you’re taking a whole day to just turn once in place – that’s not very fast.
Because you’re spinning around and around on the Earth, there’s a force that wants to spin you off into space; like when you spin a weight on a string. But don’t worry, that force isn’t very strong, and it’s totally overwhelmed by the force of gravity holding you down. The force that wants to throw you into space is only 0.3% the force of gravity. In other words, if the Earth wasn’t spinning, you would weigh 0.3% more than you do right now.
p.s. in WoW we say "derp!" lol
http://perpendicularity.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/earths_axis_tilt.jpg
I bet stuff levitated more than it departed :P
Like the scene in the trailer of Depp's Transcendence where the dirt starts coming up from the ground.
That could definitely make the sky dark,
along with any water precipitation etc.
lots of Ice falling back down to earth.
I imagine a pole shift starts an ice each most times.
greybeard
25th May 2015, 10:56
Hi Tesla
Thanks for your post with diagram
Hard to say if its global warming or heading for an ice age.
The temperature has hover around 10c for about six month here and that is below normal for this time of year, yet it was not a severe winter.
We are probably experiencing climate extremes rather that cooling or heating.
So whether this is just cyclic or something total new, who knows.
Scientists are saying the sun is cooling yet conversely planets are heating up, they dont know why.
Seems energy not recorded before is coming from the centre of our Universe.
I think Gregg Braden was ahead of his time in pointing to some things on his early video.
This may or not be so.
Chris
transiten
25th May 2015, 11:13
Well there's this theory our whole galaxy has entered an area in the Universe with much higher particle density which will last for some 1000s of years - don't remember exactly now - hence the heating up of the planets but at the same time the suns activity has diminished.
Yes I'm into climate change and places that used to be warm is now cool, wet now dry and vice versa. Climate manipulation by the PTB might add into the cocktail, who can foresee the exact consequences esp now Mercury being retrograde...
Increasing Cosmic Rays
Driving Force in Climate Changes, Volcanos and Earthquakes
http://drsircus.com/world-news/increasing-cosmic-rays#utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=c31f942b09-Article_292_Increasing_Cosmic_Rays&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-c31f942b09-10646942&mc_cid=c31f942b09&mc_eid=41e174c9cd
Bill Ryan
4th June 2015, 14:22
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Interestingly, the same idea is suggested by UFO Contactee and South American explorer Jerry Wills, at 1:02:45 in this radio interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mYmOxVwvGI
The briefest summary (my own paraphrase):
Jerry suggests this might be an explanation for dozens of meters of silt being present all along the western slope of the Andes, and bones of sperm wales, dolphins and fish being found in the Atacama Desert, at over 13,000 ft above sea level.
He cites South American legends of a Great Flood that washed right over the mountains from the west. (That would of course be really quite something, making Roland Emmerich's cataclysm movie 2012 look like a trivial incident. :bigsmile: ) He also cites Chinese records reporting that the sun once 'stood still in the sky' for several days.
If the Earth were to suddenly stop rotating, then Jerry is correct that the effect on the oceans would be like running holding a bowl of water, and then suddenly stopping dead in your tracks. The water, with its own liquid momentum, would keep on moving, and would slosh all over the edges.
The problem of course is what in heaven — literally — could make the Earth suddenly stop spinning. All that (vast!) angular momentum would have to go somewhere. For the 'sloshing' effect to happen, the rotation would have to stop abruptly, which is almost impossible to conceive... even if there was a close fly-by from a massive astronomical object, as Immanuel Velikovsky (the author of WORLDS IN COLLISION) has theorized.
This is different from Gregg Braden's suggested model (see the second video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgJ-uOk4lm0) in post #1), which is like an unknown mechanism in the Earth's core winding itself up like a giant rubber band, gradually stopping, and then unwinding again the other way.
This mechanism, if it exists, would surely slow the rotation down gradually as the Earth's rotation slowed to a halt, before reversing, and then speeding up again equally gradually. It'd be the rotational equivalent of a kind of pendulum effect.
This would NOT create any cataclysmic 'sloshing'... and the sun would not suddenly stop in the sky. Rather, preceding such an event, the days would gradually get longer and longer, and it'd be clear to all observers that something anomalous was happening long before 'the sun stopped moving' completely.
So while this is an interesting topic, and one not to be dismissed out of hand, Gregg Braden and Jerry Wills do seem to be describing two different sets of phenomena.
greybeard
4th June 2015, 15:00
Thanks for this Bill.
There is definitely evidence of a flood, ancient reports and of course legend as regards the "three days of darkness/light".
Some of it may be so.
I sincerely hope that history does not repeat.
Love Chris
Ps its possible there were two separate events.
Obviously the Chinese and others survived the Sun event.
The other could perhaps have happened pre human.
There is evidence of an asteroid event and that was no small thing.
Ch
Hervé
4th June 2015, 15:56
He cites South American legends of a Great Flood that washed right over the mountains from the west.
There is a more "conventional" explanation which I haven't seen anywhere nor heard of as such, AFAIK, and therefore I can only consider it my own for the moment (so, yes, you read it here first).
It simply goes back to the origin of plate tectonics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics): prior to subduction (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Subduction&redirect=no) zones developing, these currently "active" margins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_boundary) (such as constituting the Pacific Ring of Fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Fire)) were "passive" margins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_margin) such as those delineating the Atlantic Ocean Floor and the African, Eurasian, North and South American continents.
What can be expected is that, at one time, the transition from passive margins to active margins of a continent-bounded pacific ocean floor must have been somewhat catastrophic as in going under the surrounding continents via crust ruptures and therefore devastating earthquakes and tsunamis... and continental shelves with their sediments, fauna and flora became mountains in a geological blink of an eye.
The above is something to be expected to happen to the Atlantic Ocean Floor as well, at some point in time, when subductions around the Pacific Ocean Floor locks in and quits accommodating for ocean floors growths at mid-ocean ridges (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-ocean_ridge). When that happens, mountains will suddenly start to grow all around the Atlantic Ocean... not sure where first, though: Africa or Americas?
The above is compatible with what we currently know of 3D reality.
Now, the troubles start when one attempts to reconcile 3D reality with the universes of "visions." The latter, I suspect, being at the origin of myths and legends...
From what I have managed to understand of most "visions," it's that most, beside being allegorical or metaphorical, are "compressed" -- time-wise -- memories and/or "compressed" projected future events.
"Compressed" as in "time-lapse" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-lapse_photography) the way some video are made to show accelerated motions.
If one looks at all the nuclear explosions in a time lapse fashion, in a "vision," one gets something like this and can only conclude that a civilization on this planet blew itself up to smithereens with a sustained nuclear war:
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IIRC, such a vision was shown to a Dr. Bill Deagle... scared him sh*tless!
greybeard
4th June 2015, 19:21
Ancient City Found in India, Irradiated from Atomic Blast
We know very little of history, so much distortion and misleading information.
This is off topic but leads on from what Herve said about atomic war.
http://veda.wikidot.com/ancient-city-found-in-india-irradiated-from-atomic-blast
Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous. A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.
For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.
The Mahabharata clearly describes a catastrophic blast that rocked the continent.
"A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe…An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor…it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race.
"The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out, pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white.
"After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected. To escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves into the river."
A Historian Comments
Historian Kisari Mohan Ganguli says that Indian sacred writings are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He says references mention fighting sky chariots and final weapons. An ancient battle is described in the Drona Parva, a section of the Mahabharata.
"The passage tells of combat where explosions of final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves of trees," says Ganguli.
"Instead of mushroom clouds, the writer describes a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds as consecutive openings of giant parasols. There are comments about the contamination of food and people's hair falling out."
Chris
Ps There is more on the link above.
Similar to a lesser degree happened near Inverness.
Atomic weapons may have been used fusing stone on a nearby fort--nothing much left on the site.
Ch
Never the Twain Shall Meet (https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2014/12/19/never-the-twain-shall-meet/)
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Warlow-2109-1-550x229.jpg
Dec 19, 2014
On the surface, the idea that the sun could reverse its apparent direction and be seen to move from west to east might seem bizarre in the extreme, but exactly this is what several ancient traditions claim to have happened in the past.
In the 5th century BCE, the Greek historian Herodotus of Halicarnassus noted that the Egyptians of his day recalled four inversions of the sun’s trajectory: “Four times in this period (so they told me) the sun rose contrary to his wont; twice he rose where he now sets, and twice he set where now he rises …”
The earliest known Roman geographer, Pomponius Mela (fl. 43 CE), probably relied on Herodotus when he concurred that the Egyptians “also preserve a written tradition that, for as long as there have been Aegyptians, the stars have changed their courses four times, and the sun has set twice already where it now rises”.
The Greeks had mythological traditions of their own to the same effect. According to a popular myth, Zeus had caused the sun to retreat back towards the east during the reign of the legendary – but quite possibly historical – Atreus, king of Mycenae. Euripides, a contemporary of Herodotus, is one of the earliest witnesses to the tale:
“… ruin was rolled
Upon Atreus, a king’s overturning:
And the sun-car’s wingèd speed
From the ghastly strife turned back,
Changing his westering track
Through the heavens unto where, blush-burning,
Dawn rose with her single steed …”
The mythographers leave one in the dark regarding the duration of the sun’s reversed course at the time of Atreus – did the sun resume its ordinary path the next morning or did it continue to move eastward? More explicit is a Jewish statement that God “reversed the order of nature, the sun rising in the west and setting in the east” during the “seven days” immediately preceding the deluge.
Catastrophists have been aware of this theme for centuries, but their selection of valid examples remained confined to the eastern Mediterranean basin – the Greek, Egyptian and Jewish cultures. Yet if there was any truth in the traditions, surely the memory ought to be global? As it happens, fresh research continues to uncover similar reports from widely separated cultures.
In several cases, a prolonged period of inverse movement is indicated. For example, the original population of Malaysia averred that the god “Tak Suwau turned the sun round so that it rose in the east, instead of the west, as formerly. … When he had turned the sky round, he went into the earth.” And the English Anglican missionary Reverend John Batchelor (1854-1944), who spent nearly a lifetime among the Ainu of Hokkaidō (Japan), reported the following incident in 1894, which is worth citing in full for its authentic flavour:
“On a certain occasion, when speaking with a man on the subject of the heavenly bodies, he surprised me by asking the question whether my books said anything about the sun having once, for a long period of years, risen in the west and set in the east! I was never more taken aback in my life. The man was perfectly sober and serious. Upon asking him why he put such a peculiar question he replied as follows:
‘It has been handed down to us by our remote ancestors that, when the world was brought forth in the beginning, the quarter now called east was named west, and the west designated east. This was so because at the beginning of time the sun used to rise in the west and set in the east. But for some unknown reason God saw fit to change this order of things, and to make the sun rise and set in the quarters it now does. When this took place the Ainu were obliged to transpose the names east and west, for those designations would not apply under the altered condition of things, because Chup-ka (east) means ‘the kindling of the luminary’, and Chup-pok (west) means ‘the going under of the luminary’. Such is the tradition.”
Sadly, Batchelor did not include his response. Given his learning, he may have been familiar with the classical enunciations cited above, but his failure to spell out the analogy suggests his oblivion to them.
What to make of such traditions, other than a swift knee-jerk dismissal? Most ancient Greeks and Romans viewed the sun as one of the planets orbiting around the earth. Plato’s dialogues introduce an ‘Eleatic stranger’ who proposed that the cosmos goes through long cycles, during which the revolving spheres are alternately propelled by a cosmic ‘helmsman’ and left to wind back in the opposite directions, as the captain lets go. In the heliocentric reality, it is more sensible to relate the change to the earth’s axial rotation – overturning cherished Aristotelian beliefs of a stable world in the process.
The French mathematician, architect and royal engineer Nicolas Antoine Boulanger (1722-1759), a ‘closet’ catastrophist whose writings on the matter were only posthumously published, was original with his idea that the ‘phenomena’ would be produced if the earth had physically turned over. In turn, the late British physicist Peter Warlow (1936-2011) improved on this by suggesting the more energy-efficient alternative of a ‘tippe top reversal’, a type of rapid large wobble in which the earth turns over while its axial rotation remains unperturbed. This can physically be made to work if the earth’s crust and mantle are thus displaced with respect to its fluid outer core.
An event of this kind would also account for traditions of an inversion of sky and earth, toppling of the earth or fall of the sky. Such traditions are found in much greater abundance than those concerned with a reversal of the sun’s movement alone. In addition, a rollover would make sense of the common mythological association of such events with the deluge, similar to the Jewish testimony cited above.
Nevertheless, other possibilities remain. In some accounts, the reversed sun overlaps with the widespread themes of a ‘stationary sun’, a ‘sun’ enclosed in a box or basket, a ‘low sky’ and ‘multiple suns’. An example is this tale from the Wailaki (northern California):
“In those times the sun rose in the west, but did not come up high. It was not really light. Coyote went to the west to find out about this condition. He found the sun in a sweat-house, hanging in a burden-basket and covered with a tray basket. … Then he crept in, grasped the basket, and ran. … Coyote said: ‘I do not intend to have this sun rise in the west. We need light. I am going to have the sun rise in the east and set in the west every day.’ He threw it into the eastern sky.”
There appears to be a parallel with the belief on the Tanimbar Islands (Maluku, Indonesia) that the sun was formerly prevented from rising properly by an oppressively low sky:
“… the great round disc of the sun, which was pinned below the edge of the eastern horizon by the weight of a sky that pressed so low upon the earth as to be inseparable from it. Occasionally the sun attempted to rise over the rim of the horizon, and the rays of a would-be dawn lightened the world enough for people to move about. But soon the sun was forced to retreat below the horizon, and the world was enveloped once again in its primordial darkness.”
A no less puzzling account of a sun appearing to behave normally while completing only half of its course has come down from the Q’eqchi’, a branch of the Maya of Guatemala and Belize: “Lord Kin placed a mirror in the center of the sky, and every morning he used to start out from his home in the east and travel till he got to the center. Then he used to turn back home, but the mirror reflected his light, and it appeared as though he was continuing his journey. When he got home, X’t’actani, as the moon, used to walk across the heavens in the same manner. At that time she was as bright as her husband, the sun. Then there was no darkness, for the night was as bright as the day.”
Perhaps stories about multiple ‘suns’ which were formerly trapped below a low-hanging sky refer to some other, atmospheric or magnetospheric phenomenon than the actual sun. As mentioned before on these pages, these and many related themes of ‘creation mythology’ may find an explanation in the topsy-turvy circumstances attending a geomagnetic excursion. On such occasions, temporary collapse of the earth’s magnetic field encourages direct contact between the solar wind and the earth’s upper atmosphere, arguably featuring intense plasma discharges between the ionosphere and the surface. The discharges will be prone to so-called sausage instabilities, dividing the plasma pinches into discrete plasmoids. Observations of such plasmoids could well be behind many traditions about ‘anomalous suns’ – including perhaps some of the memories of reversing suns.
Warlow’s vision of a tippe top motion may come into play as well, perhaps in relation to the same chain of events – but to figure out the causative geophysical and climatological mechanisms involved is, of course, no easy task. Nor can it be assumed that all traditions of east and west reversals relate to the same event. As Herodotus asserted, there will have been several.
Definitive answers may well remain out of reach for some time to come, but the day when physicists will begin to consider ancient traditions about cosmic inversions will surely mark a momentous turning-point in the history of science.
Rens Van Der Sluijs
amor
13th June 2015, 02:59
I read somewhere that our galaxy is in collision with the Megellanic Cloud (cannot find correct spelling. Is there a spell checker here?). Since Venus is said to be rotating opposite to the other planets and something entering our solar system destroyed the planet between mars and jupiter (perhaps in the Nibiru group), we really are World's in Collision.
The story of Sodom and Lot's wife always struck me as a possible tale of atomic weaponry. I was also aware of the vedic texts from the Mahabharata and the irradiated areas in northwest India and borders of Pakistan. Jacob's Ladder and the Epic of Gilgamesh. Giants and Methuselah. All stories today regarded as myth have core elements of truth that was once witnessed upon this earth. People relayed information in stories, lore keepers most assuredly took their vocations very seriously.
I find it quite sad how the majority view regards all these stories as nonsense. Whether we are equipped to make sense of them today after so much knowledge has been lost, with the burning of books and the sacking of libraries, I doubt it.
Even if we could would it make any difference, we are only witnesses to events played out on a stage far vaster than we can imagine whilst in our little 3 dimensional enviroment.
Selkie
5th July 2015, 11:55
For my two cents, I think it is quite clear that something horrible happened not-all-that-long-ago and that it affected the whole earth; that as a species, we have still not come to terms with it, and like an hysteric, we are suffering from reminiscences that we cannot integrate and so we repeat them...repeat them...repeat them...
greybeard
5th July 2015, 13:15
For my two cents, I think it is quite clear that something horrible happened not-all-that-long-ago and that it affected the whole earth; that as a species, we have still not come to terms with it, and like an hysteric, we are suffering from reminiscences that we cannot integrate and so we repeat them...repeat them...repeat them...
Some things may be cyclic and some not Silkie
Hopefully that was a one off.
Chris
araucaria
5th July 2015, 15:30
For my two cents, I think it is quite clear that something horrible happened not-all-that-long-ago and that it affected the whole earth; that as a species, we have still not come to terms with it, and like an hysteric, we are suffering from reminiscences that we cannot integrate and so we repeat them...repeat them...repeat them...
Some things may be cyclic and some not Silkie
Hopefully that was a one off.
Chris
I thought today this was a new thread in a cycle on the subject, but it turns out to be a one off :)
There is also the story of the prophet Jonah, who spent three days and three nights in the belly of a whale because he did not want to go preaching to Niniveh to clean up their act. The Jesus story is presented as the ‘fulfilment’ (re-enactment) of various prophecies. When he was buried for ‘three days’, this did not fulfil Jonah’s prophecy so much as it re-enacted his punishment for attempting to default! It seems to me that Jesus was punished for preaching without so much of the doom and gloom and hell fire, and yet the punishment was reduced to just over a day and two nights. The lesson for today might then be that we are moving away from the crime and punishment scenario altogether.
greybeard
1st September 2019, 17:01
How Many Lost Civilisations Have There Been?
Ive bumped this thread as there are some interesting posts
Chris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tYXWp_HNJc&t=289s
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