Could this really be Planet X?

[irishspirit]

Interesting video on Nibiru.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByD3ni8VPic&feature=player_embedded




Very Interesting Presentation Here:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_GeAy2MCzc&feature=player_embedded

Playlist here:



http://www.youtube.com/user/FloydAnderson#p/c/415A5FD7AE1694D3/0/q_GeAy2MCzc



Irish Spirit

[Gita]

I used the coordinated given (6h 42m 8.44, 41 40 18.94) but it's conveniently blocked out by Google. Bless their little hearts. Hmmm!!

[Solphilos]

I've been watching this object on and off for the past few months, never even considered that that is what it might be. I just checked google sky, and the location that is censored with there little trademark box is the same exact location as the "star" I've been watching. Very, very interesting to say the least. I suggest anyone that doesn't own a telescope to purchase one soon, never know when they may become banned! :p

[bashi]

Relax, it is Mars. Confirmed!

[Kulapops]

Erm... Mars is currently just off the two stars at the top of the constellation of Gemini right now. Unmistakeable. Orion is nowhere near this. Actually, Orion's belt is so close to the Horizon in the UK just now (we're at 50+ deg lat) that you'd have a job seeing any stars for houses on the Horizon. So either the chap in the video lives somewhere where he can see Orion clearly or it's not Mars... or... well...it IS Mars and Mars is nowhere near Orion just now...

Need some more facts please, but Mars looks quite bright and orange and high up in the sky just now.

Hello Gita :0)... I'm just passing through.... :0)

K x

[bashi]

This guy does not know the sky. He can't name surrounding stars. He does not use a common sky-map program downloadable for free. Otherwise he would have found out by himself that it is Mars.

Please consider that the vid was made on the 18th March, not today.
Lock at this vid from the same guy:

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Then follow the path of the camera from Orions belt to the star synchronous on a star map. It will lead you EXACTLY to the position of Mars on the 18th March.

The coordinates he is giving are indeed pointing into a black area at google sky near NGC2281. But its not where the star/Mars was on the 18th.

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[yiolas]

Hi Guys, There's a bit of news on the Earth Changes and Pole Shift site
http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3863141%3ABlogPost%3A127735&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post&page=2#comments

This lady and her husband were travellling along the Alberta, Canada U.S. boarder when they spoted this with their bare eyes, then took a picture.

This is how she describes the moment: "I took the photo in southern Alberta near the US. boarder, about 1o days ago while my husband and I were driving back from the Calgary Stampede. The picture was taken from our car. My husband saw it first and gave me his sunglasses, my mouth dropped open when I saw it! "

It would be nice if someone could do a search to see what planets could be seen just above the western horizon at sunset in the area of Alberta, Canada about 10 days ago. This might rule any planets out. I think that the only optical illusion here is that being near the horizon it makes it look larger than it really is.
It does not look like a sun dog because it is partially obscured by the clouds.
What do you guys think ?


Here is the picture:

[viking]

Hi Yiola ...yes that looks pretty convincing, I saw that article as well....I have noticed that more and more folks are looking to the skies these days and noticing strange anomolies...thats a good link for info regarding Planet X and there are loads of piccies of these strange bodies in the skies!!! And there are not all sun dogs!!!

If there is something up there then I am sure we will see more and more!!!

viking

[viking]

Oh incidentely there is an interesting discussion going on here http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/planet-x?id=3863141%3ABlogPost%3A127735&page=4#comments whether it is Planet X or not!!!

viking

[Solace]

Yeah, sure. It must be Planet-X!!!!! Thousands and thousands of astronomers watching the sky right now, and they can't notice a ****** huge planet? This whole Planet-X thing is ridiculous, imo. This is the best way to discredit a forum. Way to go!

[viking]

Yeah, sure. It must be Planet-X!!!!! Thousands and thousands of astronomers watching the sky right now, and they can't notice a ****** huge planet? This whole Planet-X thing is ridiculous, imo. This is the best way to discredit a forum. Way to go!

Ok clever clogs...lets try to discredit the photo?? What do you think it is?? Intelligently of course!!

viking

[Bill Ryan]

Ok clever clogs...lets try to discredit the photo?? What do you think it is?? Intelligently of course!!

viking

Viking, the sunset photo is a sundog - we've had this conversation before on other threads!!

[yiolas]

Hi everyone ! With all due respect Bill, how can it be a sundog when the person capturing the photo says that she saw it with her bare eyes before taking the picture ? Unless she is lying !
I think the sundog explanation is not correct.
I will get back soon with planet positions in that general area and time ?

Excuse me Solace why can't we have an open discussion about the topic of Planet X ?
Are you or is anyone else 100% sure that it does not exist ? Does it expressly state in the by-laws of the forum that we cannot discuss and explore this topic.

[viking]

Bill, yes we have had this discussion before and I had stated that sun dogs are directly in line east and west ... not sitting slightly below the sun...

Now this is what a typical sun dog looks like here

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k69/watertiger/450WEATHER_SUN_DOG_WHSE101_55819002.jpg

I'm not saying that is Planet X ...but what I am saying, in my humble opinion it is not a sun dog!!!

viking

[Bill Ryan]

Hi everyone ! With all due respect Bill, how can it be a sundog when the person capturing the photo says that she saw it with her bare eyes before taking the picture ? Unless she is lying !
I think the sundog explanation is not correct.
I will get back soon with planet positions in that general area and time ?

Excuse me Solace why can't we have an open discussion about the topic of Planet X ?
Are you or is anyone else 100% sure that it does not exist ? Does it expressly state in the by-laws of the forum that we cannot discuss and explore this topic.

Hi there -

Yes, I do think 'Planet X' may well exist. It may be a brown dwarf star. See Andy Lloyd's excellent website http://www.darkstar1.co.uk. I've talked at length with Bill Deagle about this personally.

If it's a brown dwarf, it radiates in the infrared and is maybe somewhere around the orbit of Jupiter, sweeping in form the south. That's one very plausible reason for the SPT (the South Pole Telescope).

a) There's no way it's going to be right next to the sun - it would have been noticed in the last eclipse! And if it was this close we'd certainly know about it as the geophysical effects would be significant (and that may be an understatement).

b) No-one's going to take snapshot of it with a digital camera at sunset, and take tens of thousands of amateur astronomers completely by surprise!

c) Sunset is when sundogs almost always appear. They can be seen with the naked eye, and are not a lens flare artifact - they are formed by refractions between cloud layers (basically). They're like a sort of mirage (again, very basically). They DO usually look like the image Viking posted - but not always.

[yiolas]

I went to the Stardone at Astronomy.com . Input Alberta,Canada Date: July 15, 2010 . This is what I got. Go to the link yourself and plug in the information.


http://www.astronomy.com/asy/stardome/default.aspx

PDF picture of the web page, using above info.

1539

[viking]

hello again ...

I have just gone through 15 pages of sun dogs here http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=sun%20dog&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi and not one of them looks like the picture Yiola has posted...They are 2 different things, as I have said before I have seen sun dogs on many occasions and the picture Yiola has presented in my opinion is not sun dog!!

viking

[Operator]

I am absolutely no astronomer ... but my logic tells me that half a year later we are at the other side from the sun. IF this would be an object approaching from the direction
of he sun at one time it should be "in our backside view" half a year later. And this 'object' seems always to be near the sun ...

The only thing that (in theory) would hold is an object with the same orbital time like earth opposite to our relative (to the sun) position. With the (amateur) astronomers getting
better and better you would think that they would even find a brown dwarf if it was within our solar system.

Maybe there is another theory possible that is not even discussed here ... our thought pattern is about objects that we can see and are supposed to approach our solar system ...
The film "2010, the year we make contact" came to mind ... what if an object would enter our solar system "stargate style" ?

[Bill Ryan]

what if an object would enter our solar system "stargate style" ?

Would be like dropping a very big rock in the gravitational pond... I think we would feel the splash!

[observer]

Perhaps I can shed some light on this subject from the perspective of an observer:


First of all, the image one sees on free internet programs like GoogleSky, Space Telescope, etc. are (for the most part) several years old. The combined image is a collage of multiple surveys of our universe. These images come from many different sources.


To assume one of the air shafts in the pyramids could point to Planet X is ludicrous. The constellation Orion moves across the night sky; just as all the other constellations move across the sky. Orion is just to the South of the "plane of the ecliptic" in the area of Cancer, Pisces and Taurus. Once a year (for a period of several months) Orion can be seen crossing the night sky; each night progressing a little further from the East to the West - right along with its relationship to Cancer, Pisces and Taurus. To view a celestial body within the constellation of Orion from an air shaft in the Pyramid, one would need the ability to turn the pyramid structure on at least two axis - just like a telescope.


Orion is generally considered a Northern constellation, i.e. predominantly visible from the Northern Hemisphere. The alleged path of Nibiru/Planet X is said to be a long period elliptical orbit only visible (at this time) from the Southern Hemisphere. Any object discovered in the area of Orion from the Northern Hemisphere in 1982, and on an incoming trajectory to the center of our solar system, would (long ago) have passed out of sight from any location in the Northern Hemisphere.


Planets of our solar system always appear within the "Plane of the Elliptic" (that same narrow band where the constellations of the Zodiac appear). Whenever prominent planets appear in the sky (for instance Mars or Venus) the internet is filled with uninformed reports of Nibiru. I've been observing this phenomenon since I first got a computer in the late nineties.


Trust my observations. There are thousands of professional and armature astronomers watching the night sky each and every night. If there were a Planet X within our inner solar system, "real" evidence of it would be all over the Net.


Please, learn at least the basics before you post. It saves so much time for others interested in the topic....

[viking]

Perhaps I can shed some light on this subject from the perspective of an observer:

Trust my observations. There are thousands of professional and armature astronomers watching the night sky each and every night. If there were a Planet X within our inner solar system, "real" evidence of it would be all over the Net.
[/LIST]

Please, learn at least the basics before you post. It saves so much time for others interested in the topic....

Hey thanks for your input Observer...but no one has answered Yiolas last post...I think we have esatablished that it is not a sun dog...but what is it???

As to your above statement, secrets can be kept and astronomers sign national security oaths because they get to use equipment that see UFO's!

Think about it!! Do we have the truth about the alien presence??

This one looks real...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfTI70CN4pw&feature=related

viking

[Lyricus]

Would be like dropping a very big rock in the gravitational pond... I think we would feel the splash!

This is true, but some would say that we are beginning to feel the effects of this being played off as global warming/climate change [a miss-direction].

I would say this, what do we hope to achieve by exposing this truth? Yes, on one hand we would be making the world aware of the pending cataclysm [because this is what we WOULD be facing] and giving the global populace time to prepare for such an event [although from what I have researched it would be closing time here on planet earth]. For example,; if I were told that Nibiru was on the horizon- fact- I wouldn't be turning up for work tomorrow i'd go straight over to Milletts to buy up all there survival gear then a quick stop off at Tesco to grab all and everything in a tin! I would imagine that the rest of the human race would be doing something similar.

The entire planet would take a nose dive in the space of 48 hours! This doesn't detract from the greater picture however what we would be looking at is the end of the world and as a husband and a father of two I for one am not savouring such a prospect. The whole talk of Nibiru scares the living S**T out of me. Instead I look for plausible relief in the form of a good Nibiru debunking!

All that is being relayed here is quite simply horrifying beyond words....

[pimpom]

I don't expect everyone to be computer geeks, but a quick lookup shows that the images was altered in Adobe Photoshop CS3 and no information regarding camera exists, so the photo is not an original.

http://www.ypper.se/sunset.png

[Lyricus]

I don't expect everyone to be computer geeks, but a quick lookup shows that the images was altered in Adobe Photoshop CS3 and no information regarding camera exists, so the photo is not an original.

http://www.ypper.se/sunset.png

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about! 'BINGO'!!

[blue777]

you clever young man you......
lol
blue

[Lyricus]

There's hope for the human race yet!!

[blue777]

There's hope for the human race yet!!

Do I fit into this scenario
lol
blue

[Lyricus]

Of course you do! Absolutely you do ;)

[viking]

I don't expect everyone to be computer geeks, but a quick lookup shows that the images was altered in Adobe Photoshop CS3 and no information regarding camera exists, so the photo is not an original.

http://www.ypper.se/sunset.png

Hate to be a party pooper guys...but this is the response from the photo owner!!

quote...
"The photo was taken with a non digital 15 year old 35mm camera. I took them to drugstore developer to be made into a disc. My husband uploaded it for me, I have no idea how to that.He said he ran the pics through photo shop to reduce them in size, red eye reduction and what not. Does that help any"

Keep on trucking...

Hi Mr H ... hope ur well ;-) try harder!! LOL

viking

[observer]

...but no one has answered Yiolas last post...I think we have esatablished that it is not a sun dog...but what is it???
viking,

All I get when I go to the pdf file link that Yiolas posted is a star map showing the current location of the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, The Moon, and Saturn. These are all depicted on that map in the exact location where one would find them in the current night sky. What is it about this star map that you need explained?


...As to your above statement, secrets can be kept and astronomers sign national security oaths because they get to use equipment that see UFO's!

This part of your comment only addresses a small portion of the astronomers that are watching the night sky. What about all the astronomy clubs around the country. How about all the individuals that have their own equipment? Or, all of the universities where students sit for hundreds of hours per evening scanning the night skies? Are they too signing security oaths?


...Think about it!! Do we have the truth about the alien presence??
As of this particular moment, the majority of the Mass of Humanity has some understanding about the alien presence. It is only a matter of time before those with the actual evidence come forward with enough of that evidence to substantiate the fact.

I'm grasping for understanding as to what the "alien presence" has to do with a debate as to weather Nibiru is currently within the inner solar system (the actual point of this particular Thread)

Of course we are all being lied to !!! The greatest lie within this particular Thread, is that Nibiru is somewhere within the inner solar system. [Note: Representing obvious sun dogs as an apparition of Nibiru is the same thing as saying Nibiru is somewhere within the inner solar system.]


...This one looks real...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfTI70CN4pw&feature=related

All I can say about this "head-banger" video is.... you gotta be kidding !!!

[viking]

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about! 'BINGO'!!

Hate to be a party pooper guys...but this is the response from the photo owner!!

quote...
"The photo was taken with a non digital 15 year old 35mm camera. I took them to drugstore developer to be made into a disc. My husband uploaded it for me, I have no idea how to that.He said he ran the pics through photo shop to reduce them in size, red eye reduction and what not. Does that help any"

Keep on trucking...

Hi Mr H ... hope ur well ;-) try harder!! LOL

ooops just noticed I have double posted...hey ho ...

Edit...
Thanks Observer I've read your comments...very good...well done...!

viking

[Lyricus]

Hate to be a party pooper guys...but this is the response from the photo owner!!

quote...
"The photo was taken with a non digital 15 year old 35mm camera. I took them to drugstore developer to be made into a disc. My husband uploaded it for me, I have no idea how to that.He said he ran the pics through photo shop to reduce them in size, red eye reduction and what not. Does that help any"



Keep on trucking...

Hi Mr H ... hope ur well ;-) try harder!! LOL

ooops just noticed I have double posted...hey ho ...

Edit...
Thanks Observer I've read your comments...very good...well done...!

viking

This is where my research gets a bit 'thin'! but I'm going to throw it in the ring anyway....

Is it right that Nibiru [the destroyer] is a brown dwarf star? Such bodies can be seen using infra-red? If this is indeed the case then why is it [allegedly] visible to the human eye as a bright burning star just shy of the sun? and why is it only visable to the side of the Sun? Why not 180 degrees from the Sun? Now if I saw that gleaming on its own -I'd be heading off to Milletts NOW [then Tesco of course] ;)

[Deega]

I don't expect everyone to be computer geeks, but a quick lookup shows that the images was altered in Adobe Photoshop CS3 and no information regarding camera exists, so the photo is not an original.

http://www.ypper.se/sunset.png


Hi Pimpon,

I downloaded, and saved the photo.

I opened it up in Photoshop CS3, clicked on "information" and it said: "Created July 24 2010 at 18:07:10 hour", with another line under, it was mentioned "Modified July 24, 2010 at 18:10:26 hour". It confirms your post.

All my blessings.

Deega

[MiguelQ]

you clever young man you......
lol
blue

it means nothing..sometimes i open the pics on photoshop just to resize or crop excess.. so it would be a raw large image with 4 mb.. for exmple..
so. photoshop profs nothing.. its a hint , but does not mean its faked..
we just need to compare to the original now!

[yiolas]

O.K. by this time I’m ready to call it a day, and I’ve had a full one. Even though it’s Sunday, I’ve cleaned out the chicken coop, washed the dogs, cleaned the house, done the laundry, taken my Mom to the hospital twice within 24 hours because she keeps bumping into things and has needed stitches each time, went to a wedding and all the while pondering this thread all day.

All of you have been very kind to give your opinions. I still have questions and from what I understand, I am not alone . Viking has been trying to approach this topic as well.


There's no way it's going to be right next to the sun - it would have been noticed in the last eclipse! And if it was this close we'd certainly know about it as the geophysical effects would be significant (and that may be an understatement.
1. Question: Did you watch the eclipse on-line from beginning to end? Is that video feed still available from beginning to end? Have there not been major earthquakes and volcanoes since the beginning of the year?


No-one's going to take snapshot of it with a digital camera at sunset, and take tens of thousands of amateur astronomers completely by surprise!

Trust my observations. There are thousands of professional and armature astronomers watching the night sky each and every night. If there were a Planet X within our inner solar system, "real" evidence of it would be all over the Net.
2. Question: Why aren’t these thousands of astronomers letting us know about the ufo’s they have been observing?

3. Given that this picture is authentic and that there were no major planets in the vicinity on that day, what can this object be in the picture at 4 o’clock?

4. I would like to know why strange anomalies appear on NASA telescopes all the time in just one or two frames, and then they mysteriously disappear.

5. I would like to know why the moon speeds across the sky on one night, then on another night takes all night to make the same trip.

6. I would also like to know why there are all these whistle blowers about black ops, hidden world controllers and alien encounters and then we don’t have anyone talking about the doctored telescope feeds that are presented to the public.

From what I understand, Nibiru is not the dwarf twin of our sun, but is a planet that revolves around the sun's twin. Therefore, it can be seen by the naked eye and not just by infra-red.

Alas, I am not an astronomer, but I consider myself an eager student. I would be very much obliged if I could receive answers to these questions.

[Operator]

If this is indeed the case then why is it [allegedly] visible to the human eye as a bright burning star just shy of the sun? and why is it only visable to the side of the Sun? Why not 180 degrees from the Sun?

Right, as I posted earlier ... half a year later you will be at the other side of the sun .... i.e you would be at least 2 AU closer to the object .... so it should even be bigger by that time.
Well if you have seen it I would have seen it too ... not gonna happen. There might be something brewing (they didn't dig those tunnels just for fun and more and more observatories
seem to carefully watch the sun) but this isn't it ...

[pimpom]

it means nothing..sometimes i open the pics on photoshop just to resize or crop excess.. so it would be a raw large image with 4 mb.. for exmple..
so. photoshop profs nothing.. its a hint , but does not mean its faked..
we just need to compare to the original now!

It means nothing? ..

It means that the image is not an original and therefor cannot be seen as fact or evidence, as you usually like in this kind of community. I'm not saying it's false, but for bizarre thing as "Could this really be Planet X" you'd like some prooven facts or evidence, not a image showing trails of Photoshop - but hey, that's maybe just me.

PS it sure do mean something.

[Bill Ryan]

1. Question: Did you watch the eclipse on-line from beginning to end? Is that video feed still available from beginning to end? Have there not been major earthquakes and volcanoes since the beginning of the year?

No. But here's a good high-resolution photo.

http://projectavalon.net/eclipse_11_July_2010.jpg

Here's the video. Nothing else there apart from the sun and the moon.

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Eclipses are always watched by thousands of astronomers (amateur and professional) from all over the world.

Earthquakes and volcanoes, yes. It's not disputed that there are Earth changes brewing. Planet X might even be a factor. It's arguable that a massive body like a dwarf star, even as far out as Jupiter's orbit, would be disturbing the electromagnetic balance of the solar system (and the behavior of the sun) to some degree.

No-one's denying Planet X here. I and others are just pointing out that assuming it exists out there somewhere (a) it's certainly not right next to the sun, and (b) you're not going to scoop the entire astronomical community with a pocket-sized digital camera one sunset.

If the controllers could take photos of an dangerous and problematic incoming object that easily, they could have saved a heck of a lot of money on satellite-based infrared telescopes - as well as the 24/7 activity at the South Pole. I mean, all they need to do is nip out with their iPhone camera at sunset!


2. Question: Why aren’t these thousands of astronomers letting us know about the ufo’s they have been observing?

That's a good question. They might not have been observing any - though that too is hard to explain. I can understand that an astronomer might be reluctant to report a UFO sighting publicly. But usually, astronomers are REALLY keen to put their names to the identification of new astronomical objects.

There is great kudos and status and competition there. There's a big celebration when someone discovers a major new comet, for instance... Planet X would be 1000 times as important. Maybe much more than that.


3. Given that this picture is authentic and that there were no major planets in the vicinity on that day, what can this object be in the picture at 4 o’clock?

It's an authentic picture (I assume) - but is almost certainly an atmospheric refraction anomaly.


4. I would like to know why strange anomalies appear on NASA telescopes all the time in just one or two frames, and then they mysteriously disappear.

I don't doubt this, but do you have a reference? Are you talking about SOHO?


5. I would like to know why the moon speeds across the sky on one night, then on another night takes all night to make the same trip.

I don't think I can answer this question........!!!


6. I would also like to know why there are all these whistle blowers about black ops, hidden world controllers and alien encounters and then we don’t have anyone talking about the doctored telescope feeds that are presented to the public.

Which doctored telescope feeds? (Again, not doubting what you're saying, but I need a reference to better understand what you're describing. Do you mean blanked-out areas of Google Sky?)


From what I understand, Nibiru is not the dwarf twin of our sun, but is a planet that revolves around the sun's twin. Therefore, it can be seen by the naked eye and not just by infra-red.

Where did you hear that from? You may be referring to Andy Lloyd's theory (http://www.darkstar1.co.uk) that there may be a rocky planet (or two, or three) orbiting an incoming brown dwarf - which (because of the heat of the dwarf star) is able to sustain life even when a significant distance away from our main sun.

The sun certainly doesn't have a twin - but it might possibly have an underdeveloped, maladjusted little brother.

A planet orbiting a large body out there would not necessarily be visible to the naked eye. Even if you knew where to see Jupiter or Saturn, could you see Europa or Titan? They are both fairly large (Europe is slightly smaller than our own moon, Titan slightly larger). But you do need a telescope to see them.

[yiolas]

(Please see my post no. 35)

Now that I am on a roll,I would like to add: it was Bill and Kerry who first played a major role in introducing to me the world behind the scenes.
Since then I have learned to question my world view of just about everything.
Why should we draw the line at Nibiru or Planet X.
I for one would like to learn the truth about this. (Sooner rather than later)

[yiolas]

Hi Bill, I would like to express my great appreciation that you took the time to answer my questions.
It appears though that the question of whether Planet X exists or not is still up in the air (no pun intended).
Time will tell.

[viking]

Hi all ... Love this thread ...!!

Hey Yiola ... we will get to the bottom of this!! LOL

Hi Bill ... First of all I am not sure that your interpretation of the piccie we have been talking about is some sort of 'atmospheric refraction anomaly' some of the guys on the original thread have studied the piccie quite extensively.. time will tell...I am sure we can dig out lots more pics as time goes on...

Anyway just for starters I wondered what your interpretaion of the old sumerian clay tablets was, depicting 12 planets?? edit; Including sun and moon...

All the planets are shown in true order and size...but there is one more?? I am sure you are aware of this anyway...just wondered what your thoughts were on this?
http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/uploads/sumarianscroll.jpg

viking

[Bill Ryan]

I wondered what your interpretaion of the old sumerian clay tablets was, depicting 12 planets?? edit; Including sun and moon...

All the planets are shown in true order and size...but there is one more?? I am sure you are aware of this anyway...just wondered what your thoughts were on this?
http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/uploads/sumarianscroll.jpg



Yes, it's very interesting - it may well show that the Sumerians knew a great deal more than many conventional archaelogists give them credit for.

[Wood]

All the planets are shown in true order and size...but there is one more?? I am sure you are aware of this anyway...just wondered what your thoughts were on this?
http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/uploads/sumarianscroll.jpg


I've heard about that sumerian tablet in some videos and I have not given much thought to the claim before. However, now that I look at it carefully I fail to see how the sizes are accurate.

The inner planets are way smaller than Jupiter, for example. Here is a picture that [I believe] shows the actual relative sizes:
http://imgur.com/8b0ys.jpg

Maybe the sizes are accurate as they are seen from the earth? That would mean the sumerians had some kind of primitive telescope but not that they were able to calculate the actual sizes meaning they didn't know the maths.

EDIT: the previous paragraph is nonsense since the earth is included in the tablet (thus they were attempting to show the actual sizes) :)

[viking]

Ok, lets not get pickey Wood...

The point I was trying to make was that the tablet shows 12 planets in our solar system, including the sun... also shows pluto which was only dicovered recently. So they knew about this as well!!! So anyway 12 planets!! where is the other one in our solar system????

I don't want to steer too much off topic regarding the videos presented on the first page of this thread, which incidentely I haven't watched all of them yet...so Yiola and I will start a fresh thread on this topic titled 'Planet X Myth or Reality' later on, so hopefully we can all get to the bottom of this very important topic...

Laters gators ... I was also wondering if Bill has any intention of interviewing someone in the field with knowledge of Planet X. This will help us all to either take this seriously or dismiss.

viking

[Bill Ryan]

I was also wondering if Bill has any intention of interviewing someone in the field with knowledge of Planet X. This will help us all to either take this seriously or dismiss.

viking

Hi there - I already have! Dr Bill Deagle (audio) here:

http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_14_April_2010.mp3

[Operator]

(I hope this doesn't light a fire) ... I have a sincere question: if Pluto was big enough for them to be put on the tablet then why are Ceres and Eris (UB313) not shown too ?

And another pops up: If there is a brown dwarf near Jupiter ... where is it on the tablet ?

[pimpom]

(I hope this doesn't light a fire) ... I have a sincere question: if Pluto was big enough for them to be put on the tablet then why are Ceres and Eris (UB313) not shown too ?

And another pops up: If there is a brown dwarf near Jupiter ... where is it on the tablet ?

Well, Pluto is more then double Ceres size, but Eris is larger then both though futher away.
But I don't think it's Pluto on the map (as Pluto and Eris belongs to distant group called Kuiper belt), its more likely to be Ceres (Although Ceres would be the 5th planet, directly after Mars in that case) or Neptunus young moon Triton.

The more important fact is that they pointed out the sun as a star, and placed it in the middle (we manage to do this a hundred years ago, they did it 4000-5500 B.C) and the shape of all planets - as we thought it was flat untill 330 B.C

(Wikipedia: Aristotle accepted the spherical shape of the earth on empirical grounds around 330 BC - the false belief that medieval Christianity believed in a flat earth has been referred to as The Myth of the Flat Earth. In 1945, it was listed by the Historical Association (of Britain) as the second of 20 in a pamphlet on common errors in history.)

[sheme]

I believe every word this man said. Worth a relisten. Thanks and blessings to you both.

http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_14_April_2010.mp3 The best talk on this subject for sure.

When I hear a genius - silence -ears mind open. Wow! Thanks for keeping mainly quiet Hat man.

[Wantsthetruth74]

I believe every word this man said. Worth a relisten. Thanks and blessings to you both.

http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_14_April_2010.mp3 The best talk on this subject for sure.

When I hear a genius - silence -ears mind open. Wow! Thanks for keeping mainly quiet Hat man.

Hey Sheme- bad link. could you have another stab at it? Thanx : )

[Bill Ryan]

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Fixed in all the quotes. Here it is again: http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_14_April_2010.mp3

You may enjoy the following short extract from that conversation (though it's not about Planet X). It's hilarious -- one of the few times I really got Dr Bill laughing.

http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_14_April_2 010_extract.mp3 (6 mins, 2.4 Mb)

[sheme]

How appropriate it's Ground hog Day! Thank you Bill, yes I enjoyed the laughter as well.

Starchild111 thanks for spotting that, and good morning to you .Hugs for strength, and peace to us all.