The Dulce Base, and Cherry Hinkle's testimony

[Mystery]

In my opinion YES they will disclosure the "real truth" (yeah, right) and will do a lot of double talk, that is why they have now an official ambassador of alien affairs. They will first talk about the "unknown civilization" they "suddenly discovered." They they will introduce the antichrist. Later (actually, pretty soon) they will talk about the threat from outer space. They will offer more double talk and a lot of nonsense, and then presto - world wide war complete aliens. Don't be surprised at all if the space craft is huge black and shaped like a cube. (yes, like the Borg of Star Trek) That craft is clearly described in the book of Revelation.

But - please remember that you ask for my *opinion* and that is my opinion.
Mystery

I have always liked Star Trek.
The Next generation being my favorite of course. the episode with "Hugh" the borg was a great one. I have it on my hard drive.

I think your right.
There has been a lot of talk around here and many other places.
saying that there going to stage a fake alien invasion. Or possibly make out the "real" et's as being a true threat.

Regan(star wars, SDI etc..)

The 'fake invasion' is biblical too. The "unknown civilization" is under the ground - all of it, the invasions, the new ambassador, all of it with in the next year (2012) it is all so obvious if you pay attention, and learn to connect the dots. The dots being the crumbs they drop for us to pick up like good followers. The real trick is learning to predict where and when they will drop the next crumb.
Learn to read the newspaper - and learn to notice little things, what happened when the president leaves the country, not in the USA, but else, usually not far from the president, but usually right after he leaves. Too - watch for disasters, weather patterns - learn to just things down, event, date, who - within a couple weeks you can learn things you never noticed in the past, and knowing those unnoticed patterns. It will save your life.

[Charlie Pecos]

The 'fake invasion' is biblical too. The "unknown civilization" is under the ground - all of it, the invasions, the new ambassador, all of it with in the next year (2012) it is all so obvious if you pay attention, and learn to connect the dots. The dots being the crumbs they drop for us to pick up like good followers. The real trick is learning to predict where and when they will drop the next crumb.
Learn to read the newspaper - and learn to notice little things, what happened when the president leaves the country, not in the USA, but else, usually not far from the president, but usually right after he leaves. Too - watch for disasters, weather patterns - learn to just things down, event, date, who - within a couple weeks you can learn things you never noticed in the past, and knowing those unnoticed patterns. It will save your life.

Hi Cherry,

Thank you for this information. Just want to clarify. Do you mean that when the US president is in a foreign country, to watch what happens when he leaves that country? Do these things happen in the same country that he visited or neighboring countries?(regional)

Thank you,

James

[Mystery]

Hi Cherry,

I just want to say thank you for being here with us and for sharing your knowledge. It is invaluable.

It hurts the heart to read what price you have been made to pay for your knowledge.

You are in my thoughts and prayers, know that you are loved.

Deep respect and gratitude to you and your family,

James

There is no fitting words to say a simple "thank you" for your warm kind words. Just let me say that they brought happy tears to my eyes, and real happiness knowing that someone truly heard my words, not just my words, but what it means to me. You will be in my prayers forever. Many blessings and Thank You.
~~Light & Love~~
Mystery - Cherry

[Charlie Pecos]

Hi Cherry,

I just want to say thank you for being here with us and for sharing your knowledge. It is invaluable.

It hurts the heart to read what price you have been made to pay for your knowledge.

You are in my thoughts and prayers, know that you are loved.

Deep respect and gratitude to you and your family,

James

There is no fitting words to say a simple "thank you" for your warm kind words. Just let me say that they brought happy tears to my eyes, and real happiness knowing that someone truly heard my words, not just my words, but what it means to me. You will be in my prayers forever. Many blessings and Thank You.
~~Light & Love~~
Mystery - Cherry

Your gonna make a grown bear cry.:hug: It is us who are insufficient in the thank you dept.
We can't even begin to imagine what you have been through.
May the Lord bless you and keep you and your family safe.

with love,

James

[Mystery]

The 'fake invasion' is biblical too. The "unknown civilization" is under the ground - all of it, the invasions, the new ambassador, all of it with in the next year (2012) it is all so obvious if you pay attention, and learn to connect the dots. The dots being the crumbs they drop for us to pick up like good followers. The real trick is learning to predict where and when they will drop the next crumb.
Learn to read the newspaper - and learn to notice little things, what happened when the president leaves the country, not in the USA, but else, usually not far from the president, but usually right after he leaves. Too - watch for disasters, weather patterns - learn to just things down, event, date, who - within a couple weeks you can learn things you never noticed in the past, and knowing those unnoticed patterns. It will save your life.

Hi Cherry,

Thank you for this information. Just want to clarify. Do you mean that when the US president is in a foreign country, to watch what happens when he leaves that country? Do these things happen in the same country that he visited or neighboring countries?(regional)

Thank you,

James

Just watch the surrounding events when a US president, or other world leader goes to another county - it is never coincidence - but things happen - for example - notice how many times a world leader is out of their country when something drastic. This is never coincidence. Even back in 1945 when they bombed Japan - do you think it was a coincidence that the Japanese leader and his cabinet "happened to be out of Japan" when they dropped those bombs? So what I am suggesting that you pay attention when any world leader leaves his country. Not just a USA president - you can learn to 'prepare and predict.'
Sometimes it is "odd timing" that certain leaders happen to be on location - and being VERY much on scene - seemingly - but you have to learn to watch BOTH of a magicians hands, not just the hand he is wavying. Dulce Base creates duplicants (clones) especially for world leaders - so learn to lead little articles, like things saying that such-and-such summit is hosting select members of What-ever-Country, that happens to be going on while the very visible world leader is all in the news. Learn to notice these little things, and when you see a world leader's main advisors are at that little summit - you can bet the world leader in at that summit too.

[Charlie Pecos]

The 'fake invasion' is biblical too. The "unknown civilization" is under the ground - all of it, the invasions, the new ambassador, all of it with in the next year (2012) it is all so obvious if you pay attention, and learn to connect the dots. The dots being the crumbs they drop for us to pick up like good followers. The real trick is learning to predict where and when they will drop the next crumb.
Learn to read the newspaper - and learn to notice little things, what happened when the president leaves the country, not in the USA, but else, usually not far from the president, but usually right after he leaves. Too - watch for disasters, weather patterns - learn to just things down, event, date, who - within a couple weeks you can learn things you never noticed in the past, and knowing those unnoticed patterns. It will save your life.

Hi Cherry,

Thank you for this information. Just want to clarify. Do you mean that when the US president is in a foreign country, to watch what happens when he leaves that country? Do these things happen in the same country that he visited or neighboring countries?(regional)

Thank you,

James

Just watch the surrounding events when a US president, or other world leader goes to another county - it is never coincidence - but things happen - for example - notice how many times a world leader is out of their country when something drastic. This is never coincidence. Even back in 1945 when they bombed Japan - do you think it was a coincidence that the Japanese leader and his cabinet "happened to be out of Japan" when they dropped those bombs? So what I am suggesting that you pay attention when any world leader leaves his country. Not just a USA president - you can learn to 'prepare and predict.'
Sometimes it is "odd timing" that certain leaders happen to be on location - and being VERY much on scene - seemingly - but you have to learn to watch BOTH of a magicians hands, not just the hand he is wavying. Dulce Base creates duplicants (clones) especially for world leaders - so learn to lead little articles, like things saying that such-and-such summit is hosting select members of What-ever-Country, that happens to be going on while the very visible world leader is all in the news. Learn to notice these little things, and when you see a world leader's main advisors are at that little summit - you can bet the world leader in at that summit too.

Whoaaaaa! Wow! OK, Thank you for the heads up. I quit watching the media as part of my deprogramming. I will try to teach myself to look for these things. Thank you once again for extremely valuable information. Very subtle clues is something I am beginning to understand. I really appreciate your help. I can go look it up, but just out of curiosity, where were the NZ leaders today? You don't have to answer. Thank's again Cherry.

love and blessings to you,

James

[daledo]

Hi all, I know Daledo was thinking of removing those videos. (its his thread technically) If you want to contact him maybe??? I guess the mods might consider starting the thread off from #25 or so if they thought appropriate??

W

No I don't think that is necessary, Perhaps a word of warning, like "Be warned, some viewers have reported having a negative reaction to the following video :twitch: View at your own risk!!!"

Ok everyone I will put up a warning on the first and second post. I know the videos are not for everyone. I personally did not have a problem with them but I can see how some would. Maybe I am warped lol

[Mystery]

The 'fake invasion' is biblical too. The "unknown civilization" is under the ground - all of it, the invasions, the new ambassador, all of it with in the next year (2012) it is all so obvious if you pay attention, and learn to connect the dots. The dots being the crumbs they drop for us to pick up like good followers. The real trick is learning to predict where and when they will drop the next crumb.
Learn to read the newspaper - and learn to notice little things, what happened when the president leaves the country, not in the USA, but else, usually not far from the president, but usually right after he leaves. Too - watch for disasters, weather patterns - learn to just things down, event, date, who - within a couple weeks you can learn things you never noticed in the past, and knowing those unnoticed patterns. It will save your life.

Hi Cherry,

Thank you for this information. Just want to clarify. Do you mean that when the US president is in a foreign country, to watch what happens when he leaves that country? Do these things happen in the same country that he visited or neighboring countries?(regional)

Thank you,

James

Just watch the surrounding events when a US president, or other world leader goes to another county - it is never coincidence - but things happen - for example - notice how many times a world leader is out of their country when something drastic. This is never coincidence. Even back in 1945 when they bombed Japan - do you think it was a coincidence that the Japanese leader and his cabinet "happened to be out of Japan" when they dropped those bombs? So what I am suggesting that you pay attention when any world leader leaves his country. Not just a USA president - you can learn to 'prepare and predict.'
Sometimes it is "odd timing" that certain leaders happen to be on location - and being VERY much on scene - seemingly - but you have to learn to watch BOTH of a magicians hands, not just the hand he is wavying. Dulce Base creates duplicants (clones) especially for world leaders - so learn to lead little articles, like things saying that such-and-such summit is hosting select members of What-ever-Country, that happens to be going on while the very visible world leader is all in the news. Learn to notice these little things, and when you see a world leader's main advisors are at that little summit - you can bet the world leader in at that summit too.

Whoaaaaa! Wow! OK, Thank you for the heads up. I quit watching the media as part of my deprogramming. I will try to teach myself to look for these things. Thank you once again for extremely valuable information. Very subtle clues is something I am beginning to understand. I really appreciate your help. I can go look it up, but just out of curiosity, where were the NZ leaders today? You don't have to answer. Thank's again Cherry.

love and blessings to you,

James

Reports states that John Key was there and active, taking care of the disaster stricken area, and considers this quake and 65 deaths (or more) as a disaster area - he has been visible - working to add light to "New Zealand's darkest day." But since yesterday and and today I've had a hubby is not feeling up to his normal active speed. I admit I am not at my best. Sorry.

[TWINNICK]

G'day Mysery !

I thank you for all your fantastic efforts here, you are a true light soul.

Witchy, girl you have done a splendid job here and thank you for helping Mystery come to our Avalon, we need people like Mystery and Witchy !


I came across the Dulce stuff about a year ago and was riveted to my seat until I sucked up as much as I could find about it, thanks to you two girls we are back into it again.

I tip my hat to you both in a gesture of .... why thank you ma'am...


And don't worry about bullies on Avalon, just you do the best you can with what you feel safe with.

Always use your inner self (light,higher self) and let it guide you safely.

My thoughts are with you Mystery and witchy, stay strong, its game on.

..Nick..

[Mystery]

G'day Mysery !

I thank you for all your fantastic efforts here, you are a true light soul.

Witchy, girl you have done a splendid job here and thank you for helping Mystery come to our Avalon, we need people like Mystery and Witchy !


I came across the Dulce stuff about a year ago and was riveted to my seat until I sucked up as much as I could find about it, thanks to you two girls we are back into it again.

I tip my hat to you both in a gesture of .... why thank you ma'am...


And don't worry about bullies on Avalon, just you do the best you can with what you feel safe with.

Always use your inner self (light,higher self) and let it guide you safely.

My thoughts are with you Mystery and witchy, stay strong, its game on.

..Nick..

Thank you Nick, your gentle words touched my heart!
As for Witchy - she is a one in a million, and I am honored to call her my friend!

I agree that one needs to use your inner self - that powerful God within - to guide us, to remain safe. Some call it the psyche, some call it your guardian angel - what ever it is - it is real and that inner spark of "warning - danger is near" has saved me several times.
I am delighted to know that you too have that 'true self' that guides you!
Many blessings to you and your loved ones!
Mystery/Cherry

[Darla Ken Jensen Pearce]

To gain a better understanding of how we came to get technology for underground bases, it is important to know the historical background. Not scary but quite interesting. While I believe there was an altercation at Dulce, I'm not sure which ET's were involved or what was going on there. This is not an activity the Celestials would be involved in at least to my knowledge.

Serpo with Commentary by Bill Ryan ~ (not sure if this is our Bill Ryan or not? It's a fairly common name) This is a must read for anyone who wonders about these events.
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Serpo ~ Chapers 1-21 ~ this is titled different but the server thinks it's the same one or at least gave it the same attach number. Happy reading! xoxox

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[mountain_jim]

Hello Darla. Yes that is our Bill Ryan, somewhere in this forum he reposted the link to the Serpo material within the last 2 months and stated his current views of that. It was from that post that I went and read the material.

edit after search: here is the post from Bill mentioning :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7330-The-quality-of-Avalon-keeping-the-signal-to-noise-ratio-high&highlight=serpo

and linking to Serpo:

http://serpo.org/final_update.php

[Darla Ken Jensen Pearce]

Wow. I didn't know it was our Bill and still haven't found his latest comments. This is immaterial as far as my perspective goes. Whether Bill is sorry for getting involved or not, his commentary is fabulous and can enlighten all of us. Here's why ~ It is nearly impossible for normal people to be able to comprehend the alien factor that's been at play since Roswell. The Serpo information is valid through the logistical supplies and records that were needed for the ten year scientific trip to Serpo. It is the telling factor in all these matters that wins the day as far as evidence goes. Even the Death Ray Space Satellites were revealed due to deliveries of supplies to those platforms which are run by various countries ~ the logistics were revealed by the Russians. No one ever thinks of these practical matters that give away the secrets, it like a backdoor they do not realize has merit, value, and who would make this stuff up? This then, explains why Charles got involved with Bill ~ this is the key that unlocks that door and should enlighten us all.

This information is so vital ~ you may not comprehend it now ~ I would expect U.S. Space Command or the CIA to go after Bill Ryan for these revelations. Instead it rousted out Charles and explains everything.

Logistics do tell ; ) My point is that if one looks closely at the Serpo material we have an enlightened view into how all this deception was able to flourish from a simple shoot down of an Eben Craft. I have more on that later. Ebens are sweet and peaceful members of another galactic order and it was from this kind opening of the Ebens that pointed the U.S. Military forces and Space Command to all that has occurred since that time. It enabled them to meet other lower vibrational beings like the Grey's, Zetas and so forth and they were then made contracts with them for technology. Followed by abductions, et al.

So, Serpo is the key to the door that opens this great mystery and allows us a better understanding. And in this understanding, any normal person can make the necessary adjustments needed to connect to what is happening today and how it got so easily out of hand from a very innocent source beginning. It has tremendous value and I back it without question. This is my opinion but one I think is important if any of us really wish to know how we got to this destructive time on Earth. Once we know how we got here, we will know how to get to a brighter time and future that awaits..... Blessed be Bill for his great contribution here. xoxox

[Bluewool]

Hi Cherry,I'm a friend of yours on Facebook but as yet have not read all your notes so forgive me if this is covered in them.
When you buried the box with Tom did you see inside the box?
Or did Tom just tell you what was in it?
If you did see what was inside did you think about keeping some of the evidence yourself and hiding it?
I also remember some of Toms diagrams of symbols of the different alien groups.These included the symbols for the Orion group,the serpent race,Sirians and Pleiadians.
Are these diagrams to be included in your book?
It was this evidence that won me over to the reality of Toms story!
I also want to personally thank you for all your information regarding Dulce.
Do you expect things to come to a head in 2012? I do!
If it's not too painfull could you explain the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of your daughter? Do you believe it's connected to dulce?
Thanks again,sorry you couldn't make the Phoenix conference it would have been a pleasure to meet you!

[Mystery]

Hi Cherry,I'm a friend of yours on Facebook but as yet have not read all your notes so forgive me if this is covered in them.
When you buried the box with Tom did you see inside the box?
Or did Tom just tell you what was in it?
If you did see what was inside did you think about keeping some of the evidence yourself and hiding it?
I also remember some of Toms diagrams of symbols of the different alien groups.These included the symbols for the Orion group,the serpent race,Sirians and Pleiadians.
Are these diagrams to be included in your book?
It was this evidence that won me over to the reality of Toms story!
I also want to personally thank you for all your information regarding Dulce.
Do you expect things to come to a head in 2012? I do!
If it's not too painfull could you explain the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of your daughter? Do you believe it's connected to dulce?
Thanks again,sorry you couldn't make the Phoenix conference it would have been a pleasure to meet you!

Yes, I did see everything that was place in the box that Tom buried. it included a selection of photos, diagrams, papers with political leaders signatures a VCR tape and Tom's weapon from Dulce Base. (a Flashgun) The material is so dangerous that that only a fool would keep the material closeby. That is why it was buried near the top of a remote mountain, so one could accidently stumble across it.
Yes, I have planned to include a few different underground bases symbols in my factual book.
Do I things will come to a head next year? Yes. But that is my opinion, not something that Tom Castello mentioned.
My daughter's disappearance a year after the death of my son could be coincidence. No one really knows, that is why she is literally missing. There is no point to play the guessing game, she is missing and I don't even want to imagine that she might be in an underground base. It is an unspeakable fear that no mother wants to think about.
I was so disappointed when I knew I wouldn't be able to attend the Phoenix meeting. But family needs are more important that my personal wants. My husband and I wanted to pack a suitcase and get there - we were ready to go, but his parents are elderly and were victims of bank fraud the day we were leaving. I don't think it was coincidence. But that too, is just a guess. It would have been wonderful to have met other Avalonians - but Fate had a different plan.
Thank you for being a friend, and asking about Tom. It is appreciated!
Mystery/Cherry

[Charlie Pecos]

The 'fake invasion' is biblical too. The "unknown civilization" is under the ground - all of it, the invasions, the new ambassador, all of it with in the next year (2012) it is all so obvious if you pay attention, and learn to connect the dots. The dots being the crumbs they drop for us to pick up like good followers. The real trick is learning to predict where and when they will drop the next crumb.
Learn to read the newspaper - and learn to notice little things, what happened when the president leaves the country, not in the USA, but else, usually not far from the president, but usually right after he leaves. Too - watch for disasters, weather patterns - learn to just things down, event, date, who - within a couple weeks you can learn things you never noticed in the past, and knowing those unnoticed patterns. It will save your life.

Hi Cherry,

Thank you for this information. Just want to clarify. Do you mean that when the US president is in a foreign country, to watch what happens when he leaves that country? Do these things happen in the same country that he visited or neighboring countries?(regional)

Thank you,

James

Just watch the surrounding events when a US president, or other world leader goes to another county - it is never coincidence - but things happen - for example - notice how many times a world leader is out of their country when something drastic. This is never coincidence. Even back in 1945 when they bombed Japan - do you think it was a coincidence that the Japanese leader and his cabinet "happened to be out of Japan" when they dropped those bombs? So what I am suggesting that you pay attention when any world leader leaves his country. Not just a USA president - you can learn to 'prepare and predict.'
Sometimes it is "odd timing" that certain leaders happen to be on location - and being VERY much on scene - seemingly - but you have to learn to watch BOTH of a magicians hands, not just the hand he is wavying. Dulce Base creates duplicants (clones) especially for world leaders - so learn to lead little articles, like things saying that such-and-such summit is hosting select members of What-ever-Country, that happens to be going on while the very visible world leader is all in the news. Learn to notice these little things, and when you see a world leader's main advisors are at that little summit - you can bet the world leader in at that summit too.

Whoaaaaa! Wow! OK, Thank you for the heads up. I quit watching the media as part of my deprogramming. I will try to teach myself to look for these things. Thank you once again for extremely valuable information. Very subtle clues is something I am beginning to understand. I really appreciate your help. I can go look it up, but just out of curiosity, where were the NZ leaders today? You don't have to answer. Thank's again Cherry.

love and blessings to you,

James

Reports states that John Key was there and active, taking care of the disaster stricken area, and considers this quake and 65 deaths (or more) as a disaster area - he has been visible - working to add light to "New Zealand's darkest day." But since yesterday and and today I've had a hubby is not feeling up to his normal active speed. I admit I am not at my best. Sorry.

Hi Cherry,

I hope you and your hubby are feeling better.

Would you mind taking a look at this thread?: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14884-9-Members-Of-U.S.-Congress-Left-Christchurch-New-Zealand-Hours-Before-Earthquake

It would seem that 9 members of congress left New Zealand hours before the quake. Coincidence? We don't believe in coincidences now do we?!

Thank you and many blessings,

James

[Mystery]

The 'fake invasion' is biblical too. The "unknown civilization" is under the ground - all of it, the invasions, the new ambassador, all of it with in the next year (2012) it is all so obvious if you pay attention, and learn to connect the dots. The dots being the crumbs they drop for us to pick up like good followers. The real trick is learning to predict where and when they will drop the next crumb.
Learn to read the newspaper - and learn to notice little things, what happened when the president leaves the country, not in the USA, but else, usually not far from the president, but usually right after he leaves. Too - watch for disasters, weather patterns - learn to just things down, event, date, who - within a couple weeks you can learn things you never noticed in the past, and knowing those unnoticed patterns. It will save your life.

Hi Cherry,

Thank you for this information. Just want to clarify. Do you mean that when the US president is in a foreign country, to watch what happens when he leaves that country? Do these things happen in the same country that he visited or neighboring countries?(regional)

Thank you,

James

Just watch the surrounding events when a US president, or other world leader goes to another county - it is never coincidence - but things happen - for example - notice how many times a world leader is out of their country when something drastic. This is never coincidence. Even back in 1945 when they bombed Japan - do you think it was a coincidence that the Japanese leader and his cabinet "happened to be out of Japan" when they dropped those bombs? So what I am suggesting that you pay attention when any world leader leaves his country. Not just a USA president - you can learn to 'prepare and predict.'
Sometimes it is "odd timing" that certain leaders happen to be on location - and being VERY much on scene - seemingly - but you have to learn to watch BOTH of a magicians hands, not just the hand he is wavying. Dulce Base creates duplicants (clones) especially for world leaders - so learn to lead little articles, like things saying that such-and-such summit is hosting select members of What-ever-Country, that happens to be going on while the very visible world leader is all in the news. Learn to notice these little things, and when you see a world leader's main advisors are at that little summit - you can bet the world leader in at that summit too.

Whoaaaaa! Wow! OK, Thank you for the heads up. I quit watching the media as part of my deprogramming. I will try to teach myself to look for these things. Thank you once again for extremely valuable information. Very subtle clues is something I am beginning to understand. I really appreciate your help. I can go look it up, but just out of curiosity, where were the NZ leaders today? You don't have to answer. Thank's again Cherry.

love and blessings to you,

James

Reports states that John Key was there and active, taking care of the disaster stricken area, and considers this quake and 65 deaths (or more) as a disaster area - he has been visible - working to add light to "New Zealand's darkest day." But since yesterday and and today I've had a hubby is not feeling up to his normal active speed. I admit I am not at my best. Sorry.

Hi Cherry,

I hope you and your hubby are feeling better.

Would you mind taking a look at this thread?: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14884-9-Members-Of-U.S.-Congress-Left-Christchurch-New-Zealand-Hours-Before-Earthquake

It would seem that 9 members of congress left New Zealand hours before the quake. Coincidence? We don't believe in coincidences now do we?!

Thank you and many blessings,

James

OK, I read the thread. I admit I was not suprised, but I am pleased that others are noticing too. The military standing by - world learder out of his country and his clone very visible - all standard stuff. I didn't know about of Mr. Key's location, cause my hubby was ill. But noe one person can monitor the entire world. All I can do is try to teach a few tricks to watch for, and try to stay alert.
I've been laughed at many times, but after a few other 'coincidences' people stop laughing and start reading the newspaper. :-)

Was there any special or a point you wanted to make? I want to say thank you for sharing the information with others, you might have saved a few lives. This quake was just a disaster drill, planned effort. If it was a natural quake, Mr. Key and his co-horts might have been hurt too. But he was warned and he got out before the quake. Keep an eye on those trips..... and stay alive.

[KosmicKat]

God bless you Cherry. You ARE the Right Stuff.

[Bluewool]

Hi Cherry,I'm a friend of yours on Facebook but as yet have not read all your notes so forgive me if this is covered in them.
When you buried the box with Tom did you see inside the box?
Or did Tom just tell you what was in it?
If you did see what was inside did you think about keeping some of the evidence yourself and hiding it?
I also remember some of Toms diagrams of symbols of the different alien groups.These included the symbols for the Orion group,the serpent race,Sirians and Pleiadians.
Are these diagrams to be included in your book?
It was this evidence that won me over to the reality of Toms story!
I also want to personally thank you for all your information regarding Dulce.
Do you expect things to come to a head in 2012? I do!
If it's not too painfull could you explain the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of your daughter? Do you believe it's connected to dulce?
Thanks again,sorry you couldn't make the Phoenix conference it would have been a pleasure to meet you!

Yes, I did see everything that was place in the box that Tom buried. it included a selection of photos, diagrams, papers with political leaders signatures a VCR tape and Tom's weapon from Dulce Base. (a Flashgun) The material is so dangerous that that only a fool would keep the material closeby. That is why it was buried near the top of a remote mountain, so one could accidently stumble across it.
Yes, I have planned to include a few different underground bases symbols in my factual book.
Do I things will come to a head next year? Yes. But that is my opinion, not something that Tom Castello mentioned.
My daughter's disappearance a year after the death of my son could be coincidence. No one really knows, that is why she is literally missing. There is no point to play the guessing game, she is missing and I don't even want to imagine that she might be in an underground base. It is an unspeakable fear that no mother wants to think about.
I was so disappointed when I knew I wouldn't be able to attend the Phoenix meeting. But family needs are more important that my personal wants. My husband and I wanted to pack a suitcase and get there - we were ready to go, but his parents are elderly and were victims of bank fraud the day we were leaving. I don't think it was coincidence. But that too, is just a guess. It would have been wonderful to have met other Avalonians - but Fate had a different plan.
Thank you for being a friend, and asking about Tom. It is appreciated!
Mystery/Cherry

Thanks Cherry,hope you can make the 2012 conference!
Did Tom show you the video? Did you ask to see it? Did you touch the gun? What was it like? (heavy/lite) Didnt Tom want to take the gun with him to protect him? Or did it only work on base? What part of his evidence shocked you the most? Do you remember the exact date/time you buried it? Thanks for all your answers,it is appreciated.

[Charlie Pecos]

Originally posted by Mystery:
OK, I read the thread. I admit I was not suprised, but I am pleased that others are noticing too. The military standing by - world learder out of his country and his clone very visible - all standard stuff. I didn't know about of Mr. Key's location, cause my hubby was ill. But noe one person can monitor the entire world. All I can do is try to teach a few tricks to watch for, and try to stay alert.
I've been laughed at many times, but after a few other 'coincidences' people stop laughing and start reading the newspaper. :-)

Was there any special or a point you wanted to make? I want to say thank you for sharing the information with others, you might have saved a few lives. This quake was just a disaster drill, planned effort. If it was a natural quake, Mr. Key and his co-horts might have been hurt too. But he was warned and he got out before the quake. Keep an eye on those trips..... and stay alive

Hi Cherry,

I just wanted to show you that our government was indeed down there prior to the earthquake, in case you hadn't seen that information.:)

Highly suspicious activity to say the least. Also wanted to let you know that I am a firm believer in your observations.

Would you be willing to let us know if you spot anything else in the future? I understand if you can't, I know you are watched and I don't wish to cause you any trouble.

Love and warmest regards,

James

[Mystery]

God bless you Cherry. You ARE the Right Stuff.

Helllo KosmicKat - thank you for your kind words of encouagement! Those words reached my heart and soul.
There are times I want to back off and go hide somewhere, anywhere, and just give up. So when I say your words touched my heart and soul, I mean it. It would be so easy to just quit and let someone else take over, but then I know there are not many others what have been blessed with the knowlege about Dulce Base, or I remember that others didn't meet Tom, his wife and son. I did.
Thank you for reminding me that I need to keep trying. Being an elderly lady must not be an excuse to escape my responsibility to this world. I'll keep trying to telling all I know about Dulce Base,

[Mystery]

Originally posted by Mystery:
OK, I read the thread. I admit I was not suprised, but I am pleased that others are noticing too. The military standing by - world learder out of his country and his clone very visible - all standard stuff. I didn't know about of Mr. Key's location, cause my hubby was ill. But noe one person can monitor the entire world. All I can do is try to teach a few tricks to watch for, and try to stay alert.
I've been laughed at many times, but after a few other 'coincidences' people stop laughing and start reading the newspaper. :-)

Was there any special or a point you wanted to make? I want to say thank you for sharing the information with others, you might have saved a few lives. This quake was just a disaster drill, planned effort. If it was a natural quake, Mr. Key and his co-horts might have been hurt too. But he was warned and he got out before the quake. Keep an eye on those trips..... and stay alive

Hi Cherry,

I just wanted to show you that our government was indeed down there prior to the earthquake, in case you hadn't seen that information.:)

Highly suspicious activity to say the least. Also wanted to let you know that I am a firm believer in your observations.

Would you be willing to let us know if you spot anything else in the future? I understand if you can't, I know you are watched and I don't wish to cause you any trouble.

Love and warmest regards,

James

Thank you James, but I will allow others to noticing the little notices found in the newspaper, I can just do a little be at a time. Yes, "they" watch me and frequently remind me that I have a family and they can get to my family anytime they choose. They are not friendly people, and cruel. The threaten people bmy husbandy hurting we love, they hurt other just enough that there is no coincidence that it happened. They weekend I wanted to meet other Avalonians in Phoenix, "they" got to my husband's parents, 'they' got to my grandson and my husband. But I got the message. (loud and clear) They are afraid I'd tell my secrets to others, so they remind me not to mess with them. It is no coincidence when family members, clear across the nation from each other are both hit by bank fraud or stolen idenity - hours before I plan to meet people and talk about Dulce Base. Coincidence? Nope.
So - I'll let others do the news, I'll just carefully post things I dare, and hope for the best. Prayers are always welcome.
Blessings
Mystery

[Charlie Pecos]

Hi Cherry,

Please know that you are always in my prayers. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the information you have provided here, and I am very sorry for the price you have been made to pay. Your contributions here are absolutely invaluable. Please continue to do what you feel comfortable with and know that you are loved and respected here.

With Love,

James

[Mystery]

Hi Cherry,

Please know that you are always in my prayers. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the information you have provided here, and I am very sorry for the price you have been made to pay. Your contributions here are absolutely invaluable. Please continue to do what you feel comfortable with and know that you are loved and respected here.

With Love,

James

Thank you James! Knowing people really care eases the fear and the pain in a way it is hard to express. But it DOES help! It touches my soul and encourages me to trying no matter what they do. Thank you so much for your prayers, I firmly believe they help.
Blessings Always
Cherry

[Mystery]

Hi Cherry,I'm a friend of yours on Facebook but as yet have not read all your notes so forgive me if this is covered in them.
When you buried the box with Tom did you see inside the box?
Or did Tom just tell you what was in it?
If you did see what was inside did you think about keeping some of the evidence yourself and hiding it?
I also remember some of Toms diagrams of symbols of the different alien groups.These included the symbols for the Orion group,the serpent race,Sirians and Pleiadians.
Are these diagrams to be included in your book?
It was this evidence that won me over to the reality of Toms story!
I also want to personally thank you for all your information regarding Dulce.
Do you expect things to come to a head in 2012? I do!
If it's not too painfull could you explain the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of your daughter? Do you believe it's connected to dulce?
Thanks again,sorry you couldn't make the Phoenix conference it would have been a pleasure to meet you!

Yes, I did see everything that was place in the box that Tom buried. it included a selection of photos, diagrams, papers with political leaders signatures a VCR tape and Tom's weapon from Dulce Base. (a Flashgun) The material is so dangerous that that only a fool would keep the material closeby. That is why it was buried near the top of a remote mountain, so one could accidently stumble across it.
Yes, I have planned to include a few different underground bases symbols in my factual book.
Do I things will come to a head next year? Yes. But that is my opinion, not something that Tom Castello mentioned.
My daughter's disappearance a year after the death of my son could be coincidence. No one really knows, that is why she is literally missing. There is no point to play the guessing game, she is missing and I don't even want to imagine that she might be in an underground base. It is an unspeakable fear that no mother wants to think about.
I was so disappointed when I knew I wouldn't be able to attend the Phoenix meeting. But family needs are more important that my personal wants. My husband and I wanted to pack a suitcase and get there - we were ready to go, but his parents are elderly and were victims of bank fraud the day we were leaving. I don't think it was coincidence. But that too, is just a guess. It would have been wonderful to have met other Avalonians - but Fate had a different plan.
Thank you for being a friend, and asking about Tom. It is appreciated!
Mystery/Cherry

Thanks Cherry,hope you can make the 2012 conference!
Did Tom show you the video? Did you ask to see it? Did you touch the gun? What was it like? (heavy/lite) Didnt Tom want to take the gun with him to protect him? Or did it only work on base? What part of his evidence shocked you the most? Do you remember the exact date/time you buried it? Thanks for all your answers,it is appreciated.

Big questions and difficult to express in words, I'll try.
Yes, I saw the video, several times. back I didn't have a recorder. Tom told me I needed to see it. He took me to a video sales store a put the video in, and told the sale clerk to go agaw until we make his decision. We viewed the tape over and over.

Yes I saw the Flashgun. It looks like a flashlight with an inverted cone with black glass at the end. I used it myself. You feel a slight buzz in your hand and nothing else, it is quiet. It is lighter than a regular flashlight. The power is staggering. It can make things levitate, kill a plant, or dis-inagrate (spelling?) an abandoned junked pick-up with nothing else bothered. (Please do not ask me how it works, I am a housewife, not a scientist. I can only try to explain what I saw.)

Of course it can work anywhere, not just the Base.

I don't know why Tom didn't want the Flashgun with him, I can only guess that he knew the power and the grave danger if that weapon falls into the wrong hands.

What shocked me about his evidence? I KNOW Tom, I've known him since 1962, hearing him tell me about the horrors he witnessed, the tears in his eyes when he talked about his wife and son - that convinced me more than any photos, video or demonstation. I KNOW he was only being honest and up front with his information.

When did I bury the box? I don't recall the exact date, at the time, I never thought anyone would ask questions, Tom and I just did it. I know it was June, and it was VERY hot. I think 1982, because I married Bill in 1983.
Thank you for your interest.
Always
Mystery

[JDM]

Hey Cherry,

I have seen a few older black and white photos of "the lab" and "the fetuses" on your facebook page.

I dont know if you want to answer this but....

Can we expect you to release a few more photos in the future?

If you dont want to answer that now.. I can understand why.
I dont want to ask anything or provoke something that would endanger you or your family.

Thats why ive been hesitant to ask certain questions.

Thank you for everything you are doing and many blessings to you and your husband Bill.

[Bluewool]

Thanks Cherry/Mystery,I could talk with you all night! Did the video just show the base or workers/aliens as well? How long was the footage? I believe it showed the alien vats is that correct?

[Mystery]

Hey Cherry,

I have seen a few older black and white photos of "the lab" and "the fetuses" on your facebook page.

I dont know if you want to answer this but....

Can we expect you to release a few more photos in the future?

If you dont want to answer that now.. I can understand why.
I dont want to ask anything or provoke something that would endanger you or your family.

Thats why ive been hesitant to ask certain questions.

Thank you for everything you are doing and many blessings to you and your husband Bill.

Right now I can't answer the question about the photos, I hope you can appreciate that and will can reply when I can. Right now I'm under pressure and must be walking that straight line.
Bill and I appreciate your kindness and your blessings, we thank you!
Always
Cherry/Mystery

[Mystery]

Thanks Cherry/Mystery,I could talk with you all night! Did the video just show the base or workers/aliens as well? How long was the footage? I believe it showed the alien vats is that correct?

Thank you..................................

[witchy1]

Just keeping this thread alive and in front of peoples eyes - specially for our newer members. There are lots of reptile questions in many threads and IMHO think that Mystery is our absolute best bet to get a straight answer! For those who have not yet read the thread, starting at around #25 is best.

If you have any questions at all, fire away. Mystery pops in frequently to keep us updated and answers as much as she is able given the watchers.

Thank you Mystery (again) Trust you and Bill are in good health?

[Mystery]

Thank you Witchy, Bill and I both have been medical problems, but we manage to stay alive. ^_^ (no easy chore at my age)
I'm currently writing on my book, both the 'Dulce Wars' chapters, as well as the chapters involved the visiting astronauts that visited Dulce Base, to meet aliens face-to-face, before that accidently meet them in space. That chapter is challenging, and I am taking care to make sure I won't identify the astronauts by name or deed. I wish I was a faster writer, but I have one speed - slow - but I keep working on the chapters and I am close to finishing! {can you hear my personal cheering?}
I sent a couple queries to publishers, and hace my fingers crossed.....
Many thanks for the up dates, and yes, you are correct - I will do my best to answer any questions.
Blessings Always
Mystery

[Knowrainknowrainbows!]

I am bumping this thread, seeking any new input ........
KRKR

[DreamsInDigital]

Bibliotecapleyades.net has an extensive collection of books and articles on Dulce. Including The Dulce Book, The Dulce Report and The Dulce Papers.

[jackovesk]

For those interested, its been uploaded to You Tube again

The alien shoot out at dulce underground base 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev0tn4aQUXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev0tn4aQUXA

Dulce alien base nightmare hall top secret leaked images exposed reloaded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBpG3YuXLE8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBpG3YuXLE8&feature=related

Bonus Video...

A DULCE BASE SECURITY OFFICER SPEAKS OUT

The following is a list of questions that were directed to former Dulce Base Security officer ......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyjYU-CVQN0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyjYU-CVQN0&feature=related

Rgs,

Jack :alien:

[witchy1]

Thanks Jack, why do they put that wretched subliminal crap in it and use those voices. The place is evil enough already!!!! For anyone sensitive to this kind of stuff, please do not watch.

My understanding is that no-one is released so suspect they are wrong on that count.

For those new to the topic, please start reading at around post #25. Mystery is our guest here and will answer any of your questions. The hand drawings used in the videos are hers.

Mystery was Tom Costellos friend as you will read. There is a buried box with evidence in it from this place and a select few people know it whereabouts

Please disregard any of Branstons stories on the internet. He never met Tom Costello.
W

[jimmer]

Watch before its taken down again?

I don't understand why another would take cyraxandflyraxx and his videos seriously.
the guy does really dark, disturbing mash-ups that are for 'entertainment' only.
why would another take this seriously?

[sdv]

Even with audio turned off I found this too disturbing to watch!

[darebear]

Hello all. This is my first post. I have read a lot on Dulce and I found the following information on the forum below. They are apparently "original" photos from Thomas to an undisclosed individual. The thread is long, over 1000 pages. I would appreciate if anyone can determine if they are genuine.

http://www.alien-ufos.com/ufo-alien-discussions/21550-terminally-ill-thomas-edwin-castello-speaks-out-47.html

On the same thread the poster indicates that Thomas died sometime around May, 2010.

http://www.alien-ufos.com/ufo-alien-discussions/21550-terminally-ill-thomas-edwin-castello-speaks-out-33.html

Feedback please.
thanks
Darebear

[eni-al]

The fifth image came from a stock image site, and the last one is by an photographer/artist. The site it came from has changed, but I believe it was brought up in the forums here somewhere before then, maybe this thread. :)

Calls into question the authenticity of all of them, checking the exif data, all of them originated from a digital camera, recent models of the past decade. The rest of the thread at ufo-aliens though seems to show it all up.
I did have a little belief in the Dulce Base, not quite aliens or things, it still fascinates me and I look up things on it still where there might be something I've not read before, though seems a bit too fantastical, and no evidence has seemingly existed except the word of individuals. Though still think other alleged bases could or do exist, but all in recognised restricted areas, all led to me actually become interested in legends from Indian tribes and underground civilisations and other legends, things like the Lost Dutchman Mine, or caves in the Panamints and Grand Canyon.

[darebear]

Interesting. The bottom line is unless physical evidence becomes available then the whole thing will be treated as a legend by the ufo community. Extrodinary claims require extrodinary evidence.

thanks for the info.

[darebear]

This picture is allegedly of Tom Castello, taken in 1962.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=173008006071113&set=a.167318806640033.29685.100000857452451&type=3&theater

Tom was allegedly born in 1941. This would make him 21 in 1962. This photograph is seems to depict a male who is older than 21. Does Mystery have a photograph of Tom (the individual in the black and white photo) and herself together?

[Sirius White]

Anthony Sanchez never struck me as authentic, no offense.

And Dulce is unfortunately, real :(

[darebear]

It would seem that it certainly is a strange place for sure. I have read Brantons book. It left much to be desired. Testimony and second hand accounts do little to convince the public though. If something is going on there, and if it is resulting in the suffering that has been described then that becomes the main issue. The situation is like WW2. Some people risked (and lost) their lives helping people who would have otherwise gone to concentration camps. If people are dying in vast numbers then we need physical evidence. If I had such evidence copies would go to Stanton Friedman, 60 Minutes, Coast to Coast AM, MUFON, FOX, CNN, Press TV, Al-Jazeera, Wikileaks, Russia Today, Alex Jones, the White House, FBI, militia groups, former generals, the list goes on and on. Everyone would know. Going public in a vast way is your only real defence. Saying it is real does not make it so, neither does denying a known fact. Physical evidence my friends. That is what will save lives (if that does not work, than other means might be necessary to get the job done).

[conk]

There is a current thread here on Avalon entitled "Have you taken a look to the latest crop circles?". Sorry I cannot link or show my object of interest presently. Working on a rudimentary gizmo. But, in that thread there is a crop circle depiction of a cube. Check it out. A beautiful crop "circle" in the shape of a cube! Could it be a flying craft alluded to herein?

[Paul]

There is a current thread here on Avalon entitled "Have you taken a look to the latest crop circles?". Sorry I cannot link or show my object of interest presently. Working on a rudimentary gizmo. But, in that thread there is a crop circle depiction of a cube. Check it out. A beautiful crop "circle" in the shape of a cube! Could it be a flying craft alluded to herein?
This thread ? Have you taken a look to the latest crop circles? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51194-Have-you-taken-a-look-to-the-latest-crop-circles&highlight=latest)

[Sirius White]

Please do not watch the videos.

After I awoke today feeling terrible, and working with energy- as well as others working on me. They saw almost all the subliminals and images in my energy field. And it literally caused me to get sick (physically). Not just that of course, other factors. But I am telling you do NOT watch those videos. Especially if you are sensitive to energy.

[darebear]

I have watched the videos. What a load of garbage. It is no wonder most people do not take this stuff seriously. I certainly don't blame them. The internet is both a boon and a curse. It allows sharing of ideas for sure, but it also allows crazy people and hoaxers to just throw whatever they want out there for their own amusement.

I see nothing on this whole Dulce topic which proves it is real. No photos (other than fakes). No video/film (other than the fake one created by the Japanese from the 90s). No documents (the "Dulce Papers" do not count since anyone can make up such a thing). No physical evidence at the site itself. The only "evidence" is testimony from individuals which cannot be verified at all. We are supposed to take these claims on "faith". I can make up similar claims myself, which of course no one can verify or dispute as false. I can then go further and claim that everyone else who has a similar "story" about the same thing that I claimed was true is wrong and that "my" claim is the only "real/authentic" one. We then go in an endless circle and appear as fools/liars to the rest of the population at large. The Jo Ann/Mark Richards stories are good examples of this spread of absurdity by con artists and liars.


The basics of Logic:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
That what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

[Jake]

I have watched the videos. What a load of garbage. It is no wonder most people do not take this stuff seriously. I certainly don't blame them. The internet is both a boon and a curse. It allows sharing of ideas for sure, but it also allows crazy people and hoaxers to just throw whatever they want out there for their own amusement.

I see nothing on this whole Dulce topic which proves it is real. No photos (other than fakes). No video/film (other than the fake one created by the Japanese from the 90s). No documents (the "Dulce Papers" do not count since anyone can make up such a thing). No physical evidence at the site itself. The only "evidence" is testimony from individuals which cannot be verified at all. We are supposed to take these claims on "faith". I can make up similar claims myself, which of course no one can verify or dispute as false. I can then go further and claim that everyone else who has a similar "story" about the same thing that I claimed was true is wrong and that "my" claim is the only "real/authentic" one. We then go in an endless circle and appear as fools/liars to the rest of the population at large. The Jo Ann/Mark Richards stories are good examples of this spread of absurdity by con artists and liars.


The basics of Logic:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
That what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

Bullocks... Do some more research on Phil. This man was murdered for what he was attempting to expose. He was found strangled, and the coronor said it was suicide. The body was never allowed to be examined. I do not offer this as proof. But, this man is a hero.

Darebear,,, do you have PROOF that he is lying??? Then by your own statements,,,

That what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.



Welcome to Avalon!!!

[mojo]

Some of Phil's story can be corroborated.
1. His job, knowledge of geology and background
2. His evidence of other rare metals from the skin of exotic aircraft and other metallic objects and their element names.
3. His photo evidence.
4. The wounds to his body.
5. Other people that knew Phil.
6. Suspicious death
7. proof of underground bases or openings on google earth or other video evidence.
8. Existence of tunnel boring machines.
9. Other whistleblowers.

Even if you removed the parts of Phil's story that can't be verified, like the attack by the tall ET, there are enough attributes remaining that weigh in support of his testimony.

[eni-al]

Phil Schneider is perhaps one of the more credible witnesses, though it'd always be best to not believe it all 100%, facts can be exaggerated. He could have been muddying the facts with fiction to hide things, or it could all have been false, certain things can be explained by different means. Taking a middle ground view on it.

There was this list of alleged entrances
'The Dulce Base entrances in or near Dulce New Mexico

1. Dulce Lake – East south, statue of the Virgin in blue robes holding flowers, inside a small stone grotto. Use a Greek cross for a key (inverted) To activate the voice security, use a male voice, (not loud) say “Ave, Ave, Ave.” The three foot statue moves forward, look for the small opening with a mounted ladder inside.
2. Highway 1 south to intersect, turn east, follow dirt road approximately six miles south. Turn west toward mountain on a small trail (part of a dry wash) look for a link chain fence. Cross at the posed sign, up beside shrubs and trees is a small shed. Inside a wall calendar hides the controls for the elevator.
3. Go to the basement in the medical facility, look for the small door to the sub-basement that holds the narrow shaft to the first level to Dulce Base.
4. Look for the “coal mine,” several signs for no trespassing. The “mine” looks real but it’s a façade. It is about three miles east of the town limits, turn south on a small dirt road towards a mesa, “mine” in view.
5. Cordova Canyon. South highway 17.5 miles at the “Y” (south/east) approximately four and a half miles near a statue of a saint, use a Greek cross (rosary size) Use male voice “Ave, Ave, Ave.” Statues moves forward.'

Posted on page 3. I don't really believe any of them, though I'm curious about No. 2 and what highway it means. The coal mine would be an easy one to find out about, though I found nothing about any coal mine or mining as close as that to Dulce. The others could only be proven or dis-proven by being there.
Maybe if someone started doing an investigation around there, a full proper long term one, speaking to residents etc it'd probably uncover something. And if you start getting black cars following you and being pursued or questioned by various government agencies, it'd be a good sign that something is there being hidden.

[darebear]

I have seen Phil's stuff. That is a topic for a separate thread. I am not going to sift through lies and try to determine what is true and flase. That is absurd. He is either credible or not. IMO he is not.

He claimed he had no formal education in geology. Being self-taught in Geology is rather unlikely.
Phil provided no documentation to backup his claimed work history with the government, UN. Also, since when did the UN have a geology dept BTW?
If Phil were such an insider one would expect some government documentation (obtained in secret of course) to backup his claims of Dulce (or anything for that matter). There was none.
Phil’s story of Dulce differs greatly from Tom E Castello (who of course we cannot even prove existed himself). They cannot both be correct.
Phil supposedly made six figures per year but he seemed to die with very little to his name. This does not make sense.
His “physical” evidence could have been common material. No one ever tested them. He never provided documentation as to their properties. A sensible person would have had them tested to verify his claims. Those objects could have been anything at all.
His photo's provided nothing in relation of Dulce or ETs.
His wounds could have been from any number of workplace-related accidents and not some alien energy weapon.
What people? Who? Their testimony again can be dismissed since there is no documents or other items to back up their claims.
His death was "odd" for sure. It could have been murder but it could have been drug related, a sexual escapade gone wrong, any number of things. An official assassination would never have been that sloppy.
I have never seen any video evidence from Phil regarding Dulce. Google Earth did not exist then and shows nothing in regards to a base on the Mesa.
Tunnel boring machines prove nothing in regards to Dulce/aliens.
Other whistleblowers? Who? Again, all second hand tales with no documentation to backup anything. Anonymous claims are not verifyable.

People see what they want to see and when someone spins a story, which goes along with their world-view, they will often latch onto it. There is no evidence whatsoever to backup the claim that Dulce exists. None. Zero. Only second hand account and stories spun by lone individuals, retold by others.

Now, for everyone who believes in the existence of Dulce, let me ask this question: what are you doing about it? As described Dulce is an alien hell where thousands of people go to die. If such a place exists then it is a crime against humanity and should be destroyed. Doing nothing about it puts you in the same category as the traitors who run the base. Try to find an entrance and breach the security. Do something. Talking about it for 30 years has done nothing. Writing books does nothing. People are dying everyday are they not? If it is the case then we need action, not forum posts, books and Youtube videos. If such a base exists then there is no excuse for keeping evidence hidden. None. Personal and family safety is irrelevant when such large issues are supposedly at stake. If the base exists and people believe it then they need to organize and do something.

Show me the film. Show me the pictures. Show me the microfilm, the documents, the flash gun. Then we can discuss what is and what is not real.

I believe there are UFOs. However, I do not believe every tale I am told, not without evidence.

[Jake]

I have seen Phil's stuff. That is a topic for a separate thread. I am not going to sift through lies and try to determine what is true and flase. That is absurd. He is either credible or not. IMO he is not.

He claimed he had no formal education in geology. Being self-taught in Geology is rather unlikely.
Phil provided no documentation to backup his claimed work history with the government, UN. Also, since when did the UN have a geology dept BTW?
If Phil were such an insider one would expect some government documentation (obtained in secret of course) to backup his claims of Dulce (or anything for that matter). There was none.
Phil’s story of Dulce differs greatly from Tom E Castello (who of course we cannot even prove existed himself). They cannot both be correct.
Phil supposedly made six figures per year but he seemed to die with very little to his name. This does not make sense.
His “physical” evidence could have been common material. No one ever tested them. He never provided documentation as to their properties. A sensible person would have had them tested to verify his claims. Those objects could have been anything at all.
His photo's provided nothing in relation of Dulce or ETs.
His wounds could have been from any number of workplace-related accidents and not some alien energy weapon.
What people? Who? Their testimony again can be dismissed since there is no documents or other items to back up their claims.
His death was "odd" for sure. It could have been murder but it could have been drug related, a sexual escapade gone wrong, any number of things. An official assassination would never have been that sloppy.
I have never seen any video evidence from Phil regarding Dulce. Google Earth did not exist then and shows nothing in regards to a base on the Mesa.
Tunnel boring machines prove nothing in regards to Dulce/aliens.
Other whistleblowers? Who? Again, all second hand tales with no documentation to backup anything. Anonymous claims are not verifyable.

People see what they want to see and when someone spins a story, which goes along with their world-view, they will often latch onto it. There is no evidence whatsoever to backup the claim that Dulce exists. None. Zero. Only second hand account and stories spun by lone individuals, retold by others.

Now, for everyone who believes in the existence of Dulce, let me ask this question: what are you doing about it? As described Dulce is an alien hell where thousands of people go to die. If such a place exists then it is a crime against humanity and should be destroyed. Doing nothing about it puts you in the same category as the traitors who run the base. Try to find an entrance and breach the security. Do something. Talking about it for 30 years has done nothing. Writing books does nothing. People are dying everyday are they not? If it is the case then we need action, not forum posts, books and Youtube videos. If such a base exists then there is no excuse for keeping evidence hidden. None. Personal and family safety is irrelevant when such large issues are supposedly at stake. If the base exists and people believe it then they need to organize and do something.

Show me the film. Show me the pictures. Show me the microfilm, the documents, the flash gun. Then we can discuss what is and what is not real.

I believe there are UFOs. However, I do not believe every tale I am told, not without evidence.

Dude,,, woulda/coulda/shoulda,,, Way to dodge the question,,,, Where is your proof that Phil Shchneider is lying???

You brought it up!! C'mon,, PROOF. Not circumstance and conjecture... we could do that all day long. PROVE to me he is lying. C'mon, Prove it!!!

Phil was touring with rare metal from unknown origins, giving lectures and offering PROOF... HE WAS MURDURED,,, and the metals never recovered!!!

You can demand proof all you want, and that is valid. But to go so far as to call a dead man a LIAR, because he cannot offer proof is a bit obtuse.

The word is DISCERNMENT...


Discernment is the activity of determining the value and quality of a certain subject or event, particularly the activity of going past the mere perception of something and making detailed judgments about that thing.

BTW you said: "Writing books, does nothing."

What an amazingly flawed perspective. Are you friggin serious??? I shall close this thread on my computer, never to reture,,, I thought folks here were smarter than that.

Good luck finding your proof from any place outside of yourself!!!

Jake.

[mojo]

Oopss just wanted to mention there's research like that of Dr. Sauder.

[darebear]

Lets take step back for a second. The whole Dulce story originated with Paul Bennewitz. The more fantastic story of Dulce only came out “after” Paul contacted the US Airforce, who then began a very effective disinformation campaign against Paul, via Michael Moore and Sergeant Richard Doty, amongst others. I will not bother to relate this since it is a matter of public record and those interested can lookup that information for themselves. Their reasons are not known but Paul was probably on to something and they needed to steer him in another direction. Suffice to say they did a good job destroying Paul and also Linda Howe. Effective disinformation scatters truth amongst lies. The government did a good job in that regard. Once the tale was told Paul then related that to others and the disinfo spread. The government then can sit back, their work done as we propagate their own lies amongst ourselves. John Lear and Milton William Cooper repeat these tales like trained parrots, with nothing more than second hand accounts and “unnamed sources” to backup their stories. The “Dulce Papers” are not evidence so please don’t not go there. None of the Dulce info can be taken as 100% fact.

As to Phil Schnider, his testimony and “evidence” are not credible IMO. His testimony was a re-telling/variation of the disinfo provided to Paul. His “physical evidence” could have been anything. Scrap metal, who knows. That being said, his death probably was a murder. However, this does not prove that his story was the truth. If “I” was the government covering up UFOs I would certainly murder a few disinfo agents to make their claims seem more “credible” to those who believe their tales. Look at what people say, “Paul must have been telling the truth because he was murdered”. Was Phil a dupe or a government disinfo agent? We will never know for sure.

Bottom line: all of the verbal information regarding Dulce is suspect. No physical evidence exists. Certainly there are strange things going on there, and I think there is a good probability there is a base there. However, the idea that Humans and aliens are working together in a ghoulish underground genetic lab is pointless to discuss without physical evidence. Show me the photos, film footage and a working flash gun. Personally, I don’t believe any of that exists. In any event, I don’t believe anyone has the full story. Anything “leaked” by the government should be treated with skepticism. Too many people have fallen “hook-line-and sinker” for tall tales told by individuals with dubious credibility. There is always an agenda in regards to information leaks, and those agendas are almost always self-serving in some manner and are rarely for the “public good”.

IMO it is currently impossible to determine what is fact vs. what is fiction in regards to Dulce or the whole alien enigma for that matter. Do aliens exist? Yes. Does the government know? Yes. Do the government and aliens work together to harvest unsuspecting Americans in an underground lab? Probably not. Someone indeed knows the truth, but that information will never be revealed IMO. There is too much money and power at stake for that sort of information to be released to the vast herd of sheep that comprises humanity. Our lot in life is to sit, debate amongst ourselves (and argue which is silly) and guess as to what is going on, not to take an active role in this phenomenon. We are simply not that important to those in charge. Sad but true.

I will leave with this thought: If I was in charge, and I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt for example that God/Jesus is a lie, that aliens created humanity and that we are merely food in their eyes I would probably not release that information either. Society would collapse. My own wife will not even discuss these things with me and she is very open-minded. Imagine the effect on the more conservative and religious people, not to mention the deranged, paranoid and just plain stupid. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

[Sirius White]

Oh but they do Dare. It's not "the government." The government is for the most part, blissfully unaware. Factions? Yes.