Solar Warden

[The One]

http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m4d15-Reagan-records--Space-Commands-secret-antigravity-fleet

Anybody got any good information on the above topic.I am doing some research

Regards

The One

[Bill Ryan]

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How much time have you got? :)

Michael Salla's article is a good one. His references about Henry Deacon confirming SOLAR WARDEN are correct.

From http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_3.html:

Transport is by two means: stargates for personnel and small items, spacecraft for larger items of freight. The alternative fleet is codenamed SOLAR WARDEN.

We had first heard of this from another source, and queried Henry about the codename. We sent him two separate messages, each simply of one word: SOLAR, and then WARDEN. We offered no context, or reason for our communication.

The reply came immediately in three e-mails, each from a different address. The first said MARS, the second said ALTERNATIVE, and the third had as its subject "Not listed here" and gave this URL (http://www.navy.mil/navydata/ships/carriers/cv-list.asp) as its only content. We were impressed.
If you listen to this 2 minute extract of Gordon Novel's interview with George Knapp on Coast to Coast on 17 Jan 2010

http://projectavalon.net/Gordon_Novel_Coast_to_Coast_AM_Jan_17_2010_Hour_2_extract.mp3

... you'll hear him describe how the nephew of a friend of his - a professional hiker - was deep in the Utah desert, 25 miles from the nearest road in a high inaccessible area.

Suddenly, he saw a arrowhead-shaped craft 600 feet long appear and hover, a giant camouflaged sliding door opened in the desert floor, and the craft disappeared into what was a concealed underground base. The hiker was rubbing his eyes wondering what on earth he just saw.

Kerry Cassidy and I later talked with Gordon about this personally and confirmed the report.

Out of interest, I put together a diagram of how large this craft would be. Something this large might carry about 2,000 people.
http://projectavalon.net/Utah_black_triangle_size_comparison.gif

[The One]

Found this document at http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/pdf/253181main_nnj08ta27c.pdf page 27 of 180

NNJ08TA27C Section C

1.0 INTRODUCTION
On January 14, 2004, the President directed NASA to embark on a spaceexploration
program that will advancethe nation's scientific,security and economic interests. In
support of this vision the United States (US)will:
a. Implementa sustained and affordable human and robotic program to explore the solar
system and beyond.
b. Extend human presence across the solar system, starting with a human return to the
Moon by the year 2020, in preparation for human exploration of Mars and other
destinations.
c. Developthe innovative technologies, knowledge, and infrastructuresboth to explore
and to support decisions about future destinations for humanexploration.

Interesting how they want to extend human presence over the solar system. We have advanced so much for example in mobile technology but space we haven’t moved on at all well that’s what tptb would like us to think.

[Bill Ryan]

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What I understand - and have been told - is that the technology already exists to leave the solar system. Those huge 600 ft (180 m) long craft are not just going to the Moon or Mars.

Gordon Novel made enquiries, and learned that there are eight (8) of them. They probably cost tens (maybe hundreds) of billions of dollars each. And we wonder where all the trillions of dollars have gone.

Answer:


On operational black technology such as these (and other) craft.
On the bases on the moon and Mars.
On the hundreds of deep underground bases - the construction program for which I was told has been increased by 75% over the last four years.

[Luke]

What always interested me in this topic was how much those projects have common with what we call world. You know, countries, economy, wars etc.

Those ships/fleet need serious facilities to operate. Imagine a factory needed to build such giant. And resources. And top notch specialists. And completely different brand of science to what is taught here.
These are not endeavours that can be taken on piecemeal basis, you need continuity in training, repairs, developments.

Also- having access to space means access to resources there. "Asteroid belt" itself is said to be rich with rare minerals, that given such technology are easily obtainable.

Logically speaking, only reason for "them" to be concerned with earth matters is having a supply of "fresh blood".. or specialists in exotic fields, if they do not have a "project" in place for them already. Only money they would need are those needed to maintain fronts within our society. After all, do you think they use greenbacks on say, Alpha Centauri?

We are talking about completely breakaway civilization, with scopes, rules and goals far removed from our "world" ramifications.

Also- logically such civilization would be working within framework of other such civilizations out there .. say running missions in some kind of "Cosmic NATO" .. or even waging wars there.

This is completely alien world for somebody using earth's logic.

Also, one can speculate about existence of Earth as such as a "recruiting post" or "training camp" within much larger structure.

Just imagine: how to explain ways our society works to somebody that happened to be raised in village in some wild mountains, with medieval level of technology and knowledge.. but it does not mean such men would not make fine soldiers - like Ghurkhas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurkha) of British Empire.

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Edit: consider this for a moment : in World War Two, Germany alone had about 2 million soldiers "missed in action" .. what if some of them were not "lost" at all? Add to that MIA's from every other conflict here .. through all the ages ...
Even at high sublight speeds time is not what we think it is .
And with tech advanced enough, body is not a problem. Soul to drive it in appropriate manner is.

[Bill Ryan]

We are talking about completely breakaway civilization, with scopes, rules and goals far removed from our "world" ramifications.


Exactly right. There's a "Human Civilization" 2.0 being created - and you and I are not part of it. We're still trying to get to grips with 1.0.

Version 2.0 has advanced spacecraft, fast-than-light communications, off-planet bases, access to all of human history, free energy, has enhanced some people physically, mentally and psychically, and is prepared to leave us all behind. No public sector scientist has made the cut.

[The One]

Hey luke just thinking about what happened to them soldiers do you remeber the tale of the eskimo village

THE ESKIMO VILLAGE THAT DISAPPEARED

In November 1930, Joe Labelle, a Canadian fur trapper, snow shoed into a thriving Eskimo fishing village situated on the shores of Lake Anjikuni in Canada. Labelle was greeted with an eerie silence. He thought this was very strange because the fishing village was a noisy settlement with 2,000 Eskimos milling back and forth to their kayaks. But there wasn't a soul about. Labelle visited each of the Eskimo huts and fish storehouses but none of the villagers was anywhere to be seen. Labelle saw a flickering fire in the distance and approached it gingerly, sensing something evil was afoot on this moonlit night. Upon the fire was a smoldering pot of blackened stew. To make matters more mysterious, Labelle saw that not a single human track had left the settlement. Labelle knew something bizarre had happened to the 2,000 people, and so he ran non-stop to the nearest telegraph office and sent a message about his findings to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. The Mounties turned up hours later, and they too were baffled by the mass vanishing act. An enormous search party was sent out to look for the missing villagers, but they were never found, and the search party unearthed some strange findings. All the sleigh dogs that had belonged to the Eskimos were found buried 12 feet under a snowdrift at the perimeter of the camp. All of them had starved to death. The search party also established that all the Eskimos' provisions and food had been left in their huts, which didn't make any sense at all. Then came the most chilling surprise of all; the search party discovered that all of the Eskimos' ancestral graves were empty. Whoever or whatever had taken all the living villagers had also dug up the dead as well, even though the icy ground around the graves was as hard as iron. Later, on that unearthly silent night the Mounties watched in awe as a strange blue glow lit up the horizon. The eerie radiance was not the northern lights, but seemed steady and artificial. As the Mounties watched, the light pulsated then faded. All the newspapers of the world reported the baffling disappearance of the 2,000 Eskimos, although many believed that a rational explanation would eventually come to light, but the Anjikuni mass disappearance is still unsolved

[Elandiel BernElve]

Exactly right. There's a "Human Civilization" 2.0 being created - and you and I are not part of it. We're still trying to get to grips with 1.0.

Version 2.0 has advanced spacecraft, fast-than-light communications, off-planet bases, access to all of human history, free energy, has enhanced some people physically, mentally and psychically, and is prepared to leave us all behind. No public sector scientist has made the cut.

Is there an application form you know of? ;)

I've played enough sci-fi video games
I've seen enough sci-fi movies
I've read enough information on this subject

to be ready

[Operator]

Exactly right. There's a "Human Civilization" 2.0 being created - and you and I are not part of it. We're still trying to get to grips with 1.0.

Version 2.0 has advanced spacecraft, fast-than-light communications, off-planet bases, access to all of human history, free energy, has enhanced some people physically, mentally and psychically, and is prepared to leave us all behind. No public sector scientist has made the cut.

Nasa is now offering one way trips to Mars ... so they must be ready all of of a sudden ;). I think participation in the secret space program was a one way trip too.
Once you're in you left this world's civilization.

[Fredkc]

Bill;
I hate to seem dense but I followed the link to the "CV" listing at: http://www.navy.mil/navydata/ships/carriers/cv-list.asp
and didn't see anything that seemed amiss. Is there a hint?

Elandiel;
You might want to think that one over. After all, soldiers and such have always been offered a "nice change of scenery". Rarely did it turn out to resemble a travel poster. ;)
Fred

[Bill Ryan]

Hey luke just thinking about what happened to them soldiers do you remeber the tale of the eskimo village

THE ESKIMO VILLAGE THAT DISAPPEARED

In November 1930, Joe Labelle, a Canadian fur trapper, snow shoed into a thriving Eskimo fishing village situated on the shores of Lake Anjikuni in Canada. Labelle was greeted with an eerie silence. He thought this was very strange because the fishing village was a noisy settlement with 2,000 Eskimos milling back and forth to their kayaks. But there wasn't a soul about. Labelle visited each of the Eskimo huts and fish storehouses but none of the villagers was anywhere to be seen. Labelle saw a flickering fire in the distance and approached it gingerly, sensing something evil was afoot on this moonlit night. Upon the fire was a smoldering pot of blackened stew. To make matters more mysterious, Labelle saw that not a single human track had left the settlement. Labelle knew something bizarre had happened to the 2,000 people, and so he ran non-stop to the nearest telegraph office and sent a message about his findings to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. The Mounties turned up hours later, and they too were baffled by the mass vanishing act. An enormous search party was sent out to look for the missing villagers, but they were never found, and the search party unearthed some strange findings. All the sleigh dogs that had belonged to the Eskimos were found buried 12 feet under a snowdrift at the perimeter of the camp. All of them had starved to death. The search party also established that all the Eskimos' provisions and food had been left in their huts, which didn't make any sense at all. Then came the most chilling surprise of all; the search party discovered that all of the Eskimos' ancestral graves were empty. Whoever or whatever had taken all the living villagers had also dug up the dead as well, even though the icy ground around the graves was as hard as iron. Later, on that unearthly silent night the Mounties watched in awe as a strange blue glow lit up the horizon. The eerie radiance was not the northern lights, but seemed steady and artificial. As the Mounties watched, the light pulsated then faded. All the newspapers of the world reported the baffling disappearance of the 2,000 Eskimos, although many believed that a rational explanation would eventually come to light, but the Anjikuni mass disappearance is still unsolved

Here's what seems to be the real story (it took me about 10 mins to find it):

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http://thespiritseekers.wordpress.com/2010/09/07/hoaxed-encounters-of-the-fourth-kind


The story was originally reported by Emmett E. Keller whom the RCMP label, with some justice, as a “journalist of some repute”. The picture that was run with the story was a photo taken in 1905, not at the date of the story (however this is a fairly common news practice).

It ran in the Toronto Daily Star on November 23, 1930 but was largely forgotten until it was included in “occult investigator” Frank Edwards' book “Stranger than Science” in 1959. And supporting the “Urban Legend” status the Mounties claim, the tale has grown.

The missing went from 30 to 1200 to 2000; how’s that for a bump. So we will use what we found in the older sources, tell the tale and try to keep the personal commentary to as minimum.

On a cold November night in 1930 a fur trapper named Armand Laurent was travelling with his two teenage sons. The trio witnessed a “huge light, for it seemed to be as big as a steamship, changed shape from moment to moment…..it was as round as a ball, now like an enormous bullet, now shaped like a star. The light changed course in the sky many times before streaking at a great speed, straight as an arrow, towards the north and out of our sight.”

A couple of days later a pair of Mounties were said to stop at Laurent’s isolated home. As they partook of a generous standing offer of hot coffee, biscuits and homemade honey Laurent inquired what brought them out his way. They are rumored to have replied “Eskimos disappearing, stuff like that. Nothing important.” Now we include this hearsay to show the PERCEPTION (if not the reality) of the disregard towards Natives. Nothing important.

Laurent is said to have related his tale and inform the Mounties that the “light seemed to be heading in the direction of the lake.” Laurent was never questioned further, a disappointing but understandable oversight.

Enter French Canadian trapper Joe Labelle (who the Mounties said was “new to the area”, i.e. an outsider). Labelle claimed to snowshoe to the remote Eskimo village near Lake Anjkuni (Angkun). Normally greeted by the barking of sled dogs and children begging for hard candy, he was instead met with silence.

The village of approximately 30 people was deserted. It was the manner in which the village was left which has been the source of the long-lived mystery.

Labelle found “pots of stewed caribou with a thick layer of ice…..children’s toys were scattered on the floor.” He found a sealskin parka with two bone needles still in it. Labelle continued “The boats and the kayaks were tied at the shore. Even the harpoons were still on board, and the half-stripped carcass of a walrus was just as the men left it.” Even the rifles were left behind. Some hanging over makeshift fireplaces, others propped next to the caribou flap doors of empty homes.

Labelle informed the Mounties (who acknowledge contact and claim they asked neighbors of Lake Village and decided it was false information) and, as the “story” goes, the Mounties came out and investigated the village. They found the missing sled dogs tied to some trees under a snow drift. (At this point the village men would be without their guns, sleds, kayaks and harpoons not one of these items would have been left behind in the village.)

The Native folk are nomadic, but according to the tale the place seemed abandoned in the middle of a normal day. There were no signs of a struggle and no footprints that lead way from the scene. Supposedly the RCMP employed some of the best trackers in a “search” that spanned all of Canada and even ventured into the northwest United States to no avail. We have been contacted by an individual who claims to have a request from the Canadians in regards to this story but we have not received follow-up information in 6 months.

The most disturbing claim in this case is the apparent exhumation of an Eskimo grave(s). The rocks marking the grave were undisturbed but the grave had been dug up. If this is true it would be quite the feat. The land was in a state of permafrost; one account tells of an unnamed Mountie who said it would have required a jack-hammer and weeks of back-breaking work to empty the grave. A FOIA request regarding this case has been filed with no reply back yet.

[The One]

Cheers Bill i will remember to put the link in next time i keep forgetting

[Elandiel BernElve]

Bill;
I hate to seem dense but I followed the link to the "CV" listing at: http://www.navy.mil/navydata/ships/carriers/cv-list.asp
and didn't see anything that seemed amiss. Is there a hint?

Elandiel;
You might want to think that one over. After all, soldiers and such have always been offered a "nice change of scenery". Rarely did it turn out to resemble a travel poster. ;)
Fred


The alternative transport (next to stargates) for Mars are huge carriers.
Not listed in the naval carrier section of course but definately of the same size and class (spatial version). Bill, correct me if i'm wrong but that's what I get out of it.
Build secretly, launched secretly, funded secretly, operated secretly.


As to venturing off for a nice change of scenery. It seems the other way around.
Secret humankind 2.0 will have a fresh start. Abandonded mankind 0.7beta is left to fight over worthless remains.

Now what's a better prospect?

No I'm kidding, i wouldn't want to join a faction with everything secret and funded off our backs leaving us abandoned to die like slaves without purpose.

I have a reason to be here, I've already flew the stars once in a previous and i'll do it again when the time is right.

patience:)

[Bill Ryan]

Cheers Bill i will remember to put the link in next time i keep forgetting

Thanks. Please always do. It helps members to research and check things, and also removes any misunderstanding that you (or anyone else posting stuff) wrote it personally.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill;
I hate to seem dense but I followed the link to the "CV" listing at: http://www.navy.mil/navydata/ships/carriers/cv-list.asp
and didn't see anything that seemed amiss. Is there a hint?



Hi, Fred - you missed Henry's subtle point. :)

Before the URL (a public-sector list of US Navy aircraft carriers - i.e. regular warships) Henry had written the subject:

Not listed here.
His two one-word messages immediately prior to that had been
Mars

and

alternative.
To spell it out, he was confirming that SOLAR WARDEN was an alternative fleet consisting of aircraft carrier-sized vessels - but not the kind that floated on water.

What was really significant is that we had never once talked with Henry about SOLAR WARDEN. We'd heard the codename as a rumor in an anonymous Open Minds Forum message that came from an insider source that was not Henry. So I decided to run it past him.

My question to Henry was via SMS - just the two words, nothing else. The 3-part reply above came straight back within minutes, from three different e-mail accounts. For us, that was a wrap.

[Fredkc]

Not listed here.

You know, e'ry once in a while I do something stupid... like ask questions while the coffee is still brewing.

[jcocks]

Exactly right. There's a "Human Civilization" 2.0 being created - and you and I are not part of it. We're still trying to get to grips with 1.0.

Version 2.0 has advanced spacecraft, fast-than-light communications, off-planet bases, access to all of human history, free energy, has enhanced some people physically, mentally and psychically, and is prepared to leave us all behind. No public sector scientist has made the cut.

I'd still like to know WHY this all exists??? It's never been fully explained, and the whole idea of allowing the uber-rich to escape can't possibly be the full story.... So why? ANd why is it that we on Earth have been allowed to languish with polluting internal-combustion engines etc and all these problems, and overpopulation? If we had access to the interplanetary civilisation it wouldn't be such a problem (and I don't even thinkit's neccessarily a problem anyway - it's only a problem if you look at it from only one point of view)....

And the whole idea of "we're not ready yet for the truth, look at all the wars and violence".... WHO creates and funds that violence??? The majority of mankind does not want wars....

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Exactly right. There's a "Human Civilization" 2.0 being created - and you and I are not part of it. We're still trying to get to grips with 1.0.

Version 2.0 has advanced spacecraft, fast-than-light communications, off-planet bases, access to all of human history, free energy, has enhanced some people physically, mentally and psychically, and is prepared to leave us all behind. No public sector scientist has made the cut.


So............who has made the cut? .... and if they have this other world, why don't they just leave here entirely. Is there some reason they still need us or this world 1.0. Somehow that doesn't make sense to me, though I realize this defies logic in terms of what I think logic is.

[Luke]

I'd still like to know WHY this all exists??? It's never been fully explained, and the whole idea of allowing the uber-rich to escape can't possibly be the full story.... So why? ANd why is it that we on Earth have been allowed to languish with polluting internal-combustion engines etc and all these problems, and overpopulation? If we had access to the interplanetary civilisation it wouldn't be such a problem (and I don't even thinkit's neccessarily a problem anyway - it's only a problem if you look at it from only one point of view)....

And the whole idea of "we're not ready yet for the truth, look at all the wars and violence".... WHO creates and funds that violence??? The majority of mankind does not want wars....

Who even says it's about uber-rich ?
We're discussing DIFFERENT CIVILIZATION that treats earth as ... resupply point? Manpower source? Training ground? Experimental weapon development facility? Well, something like that.

Very few of current elite even have idea about it - all they have is hints and orders from those ABOVE them in hierarchy .. hierarchy that might span better part of this section of multiverse. Multidude of worlds. Trillions of human-like beings.
They do not need to know about it - compartmentalization uber alles. They do what they are good at: keeping serfs at bay. Sure, some will get their retirement out there .. but more like a CIA-installed banana republic chief is having his retirement in Miami.

Now, they hear rumours. That's why the seed vaults and stuff. The guys from front pages are likely to stay here .. because, what good is software manufacturer for fleet that is not running software way we know it ? Just as corporations cannot exist without shelter of monopoly laws and privileges, those guys are powerful within our framework.

But they are not the ones calling the shots. That is as far as my understanding goes.

Guys out there are beyond our framework! And if we think about breakaways that used third reich as vehicle (Kammler &CO) we are talking about guys with completely alien "morality"


As for violence - Imperial Ghurkhas, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurkha) again ... or maybe Sardaukar (http://dunepedia.wetpaint.com/page/Sardaukar).
What is happening here is but a small fraction of things that are impacting what it is here.

Linear/Earthcentric thinking begone :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

wow...

The Ubbers worked their whole life to build a mountain of gold...

don't let them find out we have enough Kinetic energy to turn Nibiru from its destructive path... ;)

[DawgBone]

Not to get sappy here, but I love Planet Earth.

I love the trees and the oceans and the animals and the fields and the clouds and the Spring and the Fall and the Winter and even some of the people … you get the idea. I bet you feel the same way.

Good riddance to the elite and their civilization 2.0! Go! Begone! Vamoose!

We need to make our stand here, on Gaia. We need to create a reality where Gaia survives whatever it is that is coming. We need to visualize a reality where the best of human culture endures and prospers.

The power of 1000 dedicated people visualizing this could move mountains, or perhaps keep mountains from moving. It is time to develop in detail the world that we want to create. What should Gaia be? What should we be?


To hell with the apotheosis of technology. To hell with the arrogance and evil of the elite. It has nothing to do with us. It has nothing to do with this beautiful planet.

[Rocky_Shorz]

could this be affecting our energy levels?


During periods of high activity, a single auroral storm can produce one trillion watts of electricity with a current of one million amps.

[Beren]

wow...

The Ubbers worked their whole life to build a mountain of gold...

don't let them find out we have enough Kinetic energy to turn Nibiru from its destructive path... ;)


The words that are always taken lightly and disbelieved were :
1.Love thy neighbor
2.Love God with all your heart ,mind,soul,strength.

Sadly for many,it has nothing to do with fairy tales,with religion,with hear say stories.
It`s all about power.

Power to the people-if you will.

I am telling you all now a secret, and it`s actually not a secret because it stands mightily for thousands of years.
It is power that we were given.
Power- unlimited power.

But the only term is for all- to LOVE.
There is no weapon against Love.
The one who didn`t realize that yet is at loose. No matter who you are.

Christ came,liberated us and gave us unlimited power.
But few actually took it. For all others were afraid, of the opportunity given by Creator.

Whom didn`t realized yet why Christ came and what he did and why he was demonized while on Earth and why is nowadays still demonized ,accused,hated, and distrusted ...that person missed the whole point of life.
That person is trapped in fear and all its creations.

It was never about religion. Never about beliefs or teachings. It was and is about life.

All technology that has ever existed and do exist now can`t compare with the complexity of design and beauty of one single green grass leaf whom you thread upon the ground without even thinking about it.
The inner structure and outer structure and purpose for one single grass leaf is unthinkably greater than all technology ever produced by humans or ET`s.

Think about it before you all fall in fear traps...
Contemplate of the power behind the tiny grass leaf.
Think about who`s behind the idea of creating it and why?

Unlimited power,friends.UNLIMITED-for all!

The only requirement you will ever have in order to posses unlimited power is:

to love. To be one with LOVE. For God is Love and Love is God.
Love is all there really is.

Who forget that - is making his/her own private hell of their lives.

Remember,wake up,laugh,love.

[Bea]

Version 2.0 has advanced spacecraft, fast-than-light communications, off-planet bases, access to all of human history, free energy, has enhanced some people physically, mentally and psychically, and is prepared to leave us all behind.

..oh well, even they can't leave their karma behind

[Seikou-Kishi]

I agree with you DawgBone, I wouldn't feel at home without birch trees XD

I think the phrase "power to the people" is misleading, to me it suggests that power has some origin other than the people, and I would much rather say "power from the people".

Seikou-Kishi

[TraineeHuman]

Even if “mankind 2.0” manages to leave “mankind1.0” behind in a physical sense, such as maybe moving off-planet, they’re still tied to us. Let me try and explain (not easy, but I'll try).

There’s a curious thing the late spiritual teacher Barry Long noticed when he was in his twenties and thereafter. This was that all the women he became romantically involved with were basically the one same woman. On careful, aware investigation, he found himself forced to conclude that their differences were superficial compared to their sameness, their interconnectedness. Frustratingly, he found he knew that he was involved with “the same” woman each time. And this was a divinely aware man who was ruthlessly dedicated to finding the truth about life (and love, and the universe).

Similarly, you’ll find that all the original Indian gurus – all five of them – similarly concluded from their direct experience that at some deeper level of truth (or maybe at some higher dimension, I guess) “there is only one human being”, much as Barry Long had concluded “there is only one woman in the whole world”.

I guess another way to put this is that we like to think we are separate and different from one another because we have separate bodies. But in reality, we are much more interconnected and identical than we are separate. That’s at certain higher levels of being (dare I say “reality”?) than the physical. Notice, I’m not denying the value and the beauty and the great importance of also being different from one another.

I say that if mankind2.0 is a reality, then that is very good news for mankind1.0. That’s because mankind2.0 will no doubt then as a direct result have a higher average level of consciousness. And at the level of consciousness or light and so on, nothing will be able to stop the “bleedthrough” of some of that higher consciousness to mankind1.0.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I think what you relate, TraineeHuman, about the Indian Gurus is reflected in what Michael Talbot demonstrated in The Holographic Universe; the entirety of the world stems from the 'implicate order', and all of existence is pervaded by consciousness, all human beings being 'tendrils' or extensions of the same universal and integral consciousness. It also matches David Icke's 'infinitive consciousness'; we're not all seperate instances of infinite consciousness, but the same single instance of infinite consciousness. I wonder if those Indian Gurus ever were of the opinion that they were also the same person as the women with whom they became romantically involved.

Personally, I think the bleedthrough you mentioned is completely accurate; less in the sense of a 'trickle down' economics, and more in the sense of empathy, which I believe is the direct result of us all being one on a higher level; it stands to reason if we are all one, that we have access, 'indirectly', to the experiences and feelings of others.

That's personally what I believe the whole 'judgement' scenario is; when we die and are separated from whatever chains us in this limited existence, we are forced to confront how we have conducted ourselves. We are the only judge in the whole process, when we cause pain, we realise at some later stage that we too suffer from that pain, so the orchestrators of all these designs against mankind 1.0 have much more to fear from physical death and the reunification with the infinite consciousness it brings than we do, and I think (though I am no Christian) that this is what Jesus meant n the beatitudes of Matthew 5:3-12



Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall possess the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for justice,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called sons of God.

Blessed are they who suffer persecution for justice sake,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


The fifth is particularly interesting in this light, which, of course, may be completely untrue, but I'm personally of the conviction that the helpfulness of an idea is more important than the dirty, practical matter of objective truth.

Seikou-Kishi

[Luke]

I say that if mankind2.0 is a reality, then that is very good news for mankind1.0. That’s because mankind2.0 will no doubt then as a direct result have a higher average level of consciousness. And at the level of consciousness or light and so on, nothing will be able to stop the “bleedthrough” of some of that higher consciousness to mankind1.0.
That is, assuming higher level of technology given to them is equal with higher level of consciousness. Personally I find it a stretch, all the data points to contrary.

It's the story of time traveller from our times visiting medieval serf .. he shows the serf all his "toys" .. and serf is torn between "work of the devil" and "the kingdom has come" .. traveller tries to explain, that these are toys, we have wars and stuff, and nothing really changed .. but in serf's flatland/1D logic, he was just visited by the angel.

That said, there are infinite numbers of mankinds out there, on different levels of consciousnesses and they bleed through constantly. Question is to what "frequency" we tune ourselves by our actions and our worldview.

[Bill Ryan]

So............who has made the cut? .... and if they have this other world, why don't they just leave here entirely. Is there some reason they still need us or this world 1.0. Somehow that doesn't make sense to me, though I realize this defies logic in terms of what I think logic is.

As far as I understand, this topic (Humankind 2.0) is the most important item on the very large table of puzzle pieces that we're all looking at.

I'm going very, very carefully here, but my understanding is that the human race is being engineered to be honed into something that is leaner, meaner, and more 'fit for purpose'.

This is not necessarily anything that anyone reading this would agree with. But (as things stand) we don't get a vote, as we're not 'in charge'. It's all about eugenics and evolution and who created Humankind 1.0 anyway... it's the biggest story.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Fit for purpose could mean any number of things, and those who are 'selected' aren't necessarily those benefiting. The 'greys' to me look like emaciated humans servile to another authority, and these humans who have been picked seem to have been picked for their intelligence rather than their physical prowess, they've also all got authoritarian personalities to be complicit... I've heard opinions that the greys are a 'potential future us', perhaps they are a potential future for mankind 2.0, bred to be obedient without question but otherwise intelligent.

Of course, I could be completely wrong, but I'm sure that's a feeling we're all familiar with on this forum.

[TraineeHuman]

Seikou-Kishi, this post is about what I consider a minor point. However, in the world of (Christian) theology it's generally accepted that over 40 years ago certain Lutheran theologians proved quite conclusively that the Beatitudes were originally part of the teachings of Rabbi ben Hillel. And that Hillel wrote all his teachings down some time between 100 BC and 90 BC. Hillel was the High Priest (of the Scribes or the "Sadducees") of Israel. The High Priest around 20 or 30 or 40 AD was his grandson, or great-grandson, and continued to faithfully teach Hillel's doctrines. So we have the irony that today most Christians believe "the Jews" were hostile to Jeshua, when in reality orthodox Judaism recognises him as its second-greatest prophet. Moreover, most Christians don't realise that if the Beatitudes (minus those deliberate mistranslations such as "meek", and "poor" in spirit) were an important part of Jeshua's public teachings, then these would have been virtually indistinguishable from the public teachings of the High Priest and Scribes during those decades.

[DawgBone]

I say that if mankind2.0 is a reality, then that is very good news for mankind1.0. That’s because mankind2.0 will no doubt then as a direct result have a higher average level of consciousness. And at the level of consciousness or light and so on, nothing will be able to stop the “bleedthrough” of some of that higher consciousness to mankind1.0. [/FONT]

Great post!

I was with you up until the last paragraph. Manipulating, exploiting and culling most of mankind does not demonstrate a "higher level of consciousness". If anything, mankind 2.0 will benefit from a connection with mankind 1.0. And we will benefit from moving the elite off world.

But the idea that on some level we are all the same soul resonates with me. I can often look at another person and say, "That's me with different parents, different education, different race ...". I can even look at a squirrel or a cat or a dog and feel the same.


It's Thanksgiving in the US today. I'm pulling for the turkeys.

[bashi]

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As far as I understand, this topic (Humankind 2.0) is the most important item on the very large table of puzzle pieces that we're all looking at.

I'm going very, very carefully here, but my understanding is that the human race is being engineered to be honed into something that is leaner, meaner, and more 'fit for purpose'.

This is not necessarily anything that anyone reading this would agree with. But (as things stand) we don't get a vote, as we're not 'in charge'. It's all about eugenics and evolution and who created Humankind 1.0 anyway... it's the biggest story.

Bill: Who is the "TC-Group" ?

[The One]

I may be way off the mark here

Trilateral Commission was founded in July 1973 at the initiative of David Rockefeller haven’t researched this group much

Believe Don’t Disbelieve Think

[Bill Ryan]

Bill: Who is the "TC-Group" ?

Nobody ever found out. (No, not the Trilateral Commission!)

For others' reference, this ('The TC Group') was the self-named source of the original e-mail sent to the Open Minds Forum in end 2006 or early 2007 (I'd need to look up the date to be sure) that first referenced SOLAR WARDEN.

That was the first time the term was ever heard - and was what prompted me to run it past Henry Deacon with no front-loading. (I just SMSed him the two words, in two separate messages, with no other context - and got the astonishing reply by return which [in essence] said "Mars Alternative Carrier Fleet".)

[The One]

If nobody ever found out about the TC-Group then how can we say it’s not referenced to the Trilateral Commission. It probably isn’t but you never know because we don’t know.

[Seikou-Kishi]

The fact that it's called the TC-Group however indicates it's not; in "Trilateral Commission", 'trilateral' is an attributive and 'commission' the headword; in 'TC-Group', the T and C both would be attributive in nature, to modify the 'Group'. I think the words hold clues here and indicate that the persuasive weight of likelihood is on the side of the TC-Group and the Trilateral Commision being different bodies.

Seikou-Kishi

[The One]

mmmmmm maybe Seikou-Kishi and i have already considered your post we will just have to wait and see the probabilities that may come from this in the future

[Luke]

If nobody ever found out about the TC-Group then how can we say it’s not referenced to the Trilateral Commission. It probably isn’t but you never know because we don’t know.

Lemme see, because Trilateral C is fairly low level construct that manages subset of Earth affairs and has ZERO interests OR power in out-of-Earth-political-spectrum matters?
Compartmentalization spans all levels to the very top of pyramid.

[Carmody]

The hard part for people to see that is that these operations have developed independent energy sources. Thus manufacturing costs drop dramatically.

Thus all the monies (Trillions of missing dollars) are for infrastructure, and human involvement with the outside world.

When put in that context it can then be seen how the entire operation can become so freaking huge, so much bigger seeming than the trillions $ added into it. The trillions of dollars are just the interface with the operation, as the operation itself is financially and resource wise--largely.. . . Independent.

Like starting a raging forest fire with a match. The trillions of dollars are merely the match that starts that fire.

You can then see why they do not want mankind, overall, to achieve such levels in their energy independence.

I know that many don't put any credence in what Benjamin Fulford says, but note that what he constantly speaks on..... is the releasing of 'over-unity' and similar energy extraction techniques, to the public...by this 'Asian faction'.....as a form of retaliation against these western(ish) 'powers that be'.

Personal experience tells me that if one was to speak on achieving an energy device (not specifically true in my case) or achieving understanding on the creation of those types of devices (an even BIGGER threat, ie full knowledge of the mechanism within physics)..they will receive a burrowing burr up their backsides..that is the size and shape of the spearhead organizations of the pentagon/CIA/corporate/Freemasons/Nazi/NASA/Etc. This, within about 48 hours of any public or forum based announcement or subject discussion. As is usual with human beings, they need to see it with their own eyes or experience it directly before they 'get it' (understand) well enough to enact such understandings in their thoughts on how the world actually works. Thus the general public, as aware as they might wish to be, can't see this angle very well.

There used to be a list of suspected and known free energy researchers --at one time. The list was about 300-450 names long and most were either dead or whereabouts unknown. (some names were from 150 years back, etc)

Just last night I bought a small piece of computer electronics from a young man who was finishing his last year in physics at a local university (30k students, world class research). I spoke on some of this a tiny bit to him... as the subject accidentally come up simply through my speech mannerisms, etc. The anger, vitriol, and denial were quite staggering to me, as I have not attempted to debate this subject with those who exist outside of it, for quite some time.

Ultimately I told him that he was going to have to investigate these matters on his own, as I did not have the time in my life to wreck myself attempting to convince one person, I have a life to live and busting myself up and wasting my energies debating and working to show and convince him was not how I wanted to use my energies. I showed hm that the doorway to a level above that of what he knew as the 'cutting edge' does exist.... and investigation was up to him.

[jcocks]

I wonder if the Nazis are in effect the "breakaway civilisation"?... It's the only option that actually makes any sense, since that's what they always wanted to do with their "master race" talk. The only problem with that is that even the Nazis were funded by the big Bildergerg-like families...

[Fredkc]

Outside of a few freaks Nazism died a well-deserved death 65 years ago.

What gave birth to it, and used it as a vehicle was the socio-political critter known as Fascism.
It has survived, and thrives to this very day.

If you want to loot a country for every nickel you can squeeze out of it, and use it and the populace for private/secret projects, Fascism is the very thing.

[Carmody]

Yes, I should have hyphenated to 'nazi-fascist', to denote the act of forward carrying/evolving the thought into 'current world structures-groups'.

[jcocks]

Outside of a few freaks Nazism died a well-deserved death 65 years ago.

What gave birth to it, and used it as a vehicle was the socio-political critter known as Fascism.
It has survived, and thrives to this very day.

If you want to loot a country for every nickel you can squeeze out of it, and use it and the populace for private/secret projects, Fascism is the very thing.

Yes, "nazism" may have died...and with it the "nazi party" - but the powers behind it may not have, and may be the real force behind the so-called "human 2.0" and much of the secret space society.

I mean, "human 2.0" sounds so much like the nazis aryan "master-race" talk that it's not funny....

So nazism may very well have dies, but my point is that the Nazis may very well live on (under a different guise) - in fact, we know that they did - many of them found work in America with NASA.

[Luke]

Yes, "nazism" may have died...and with it the "nazi party" - but the powers behind it may not have, and may be the real force behind the so-called "human 2.0" and much of the secret space society.

I mean, "human 2.0" sounds so much like the nazis aryan "master-race" talk that it's not funny....

So nazism may very well have dies, but my point is that the Nazis may very well live on (under a different guise) - in fact, we know that they did - many of them found work in America with NASA.

Way I see it, you are putting cart before a horse.
Developments that happened there were not because of nazi ideology. Nazi ideology was there to facilitate a breeding ground for circumstances, upon which something entirely else was grown and matured. Seeds were planted long before "nazism" started to exist, fruits were reaped some time after it stopped to exist.

When we speak "Nazi" or "Fascism" or "Communism" or "Corporatism", we are talking fertilizer for the parts of the process.

[Ahkenaten]

Too bad human civilization 2.0 is bound to be, based on current events, even more retrograde than 1.0....................if the so-called civilization invested more in actually developing the individual and collective human animal, we might even have a crack at actually evolving instead, as has been the case for some time now, deliberately devolving. Nothing worse than extremely high technology in the hands of a retrograde, materialistic and it seems, DELIBERATELY AND CONSCIOUSLY DEBASED human animal.

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Sorry for being so negative in my last post on a national holiday when we are supposed to be giving thanks.........................anyway, thank you indigenous peoples of the world. YOU may be our last hope.

[Ahkenaten]

Luke by the way many believe Nazism has not, contrary to popular belief, ceased to exist. Many, including myself, believe it to be alive and well existing as an extranational force firmly imbedded in some of the USA's 3-letter agencies and elsewhere. THAT is what accounts for the peculiarly familiar tone and content of current events ------------- the US government may well be in part controlled by the very forces the population had been led to believe were vanquished in the 40's.

[Luke]

the US government may well be in part controlled by the very forces the population had been led to believe were vanquished in the 40's.
Just by searching some posts on this forum, like this one:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5561-American-Great-Race-hereditary-societies-and-social-darwinism
You would see "nazi" ideas were NOT something new or unique, they were just vulgar/public front for something far older and more sinister, that existed in USofA from at least mid XIX century. So please do not use name of the branch to describe a tree.

[Operator]

What if there is even more than 1 break away civilization ? Could it be that we see them fighting each other through night goggles ?

At the end of WWII there already was at least one breakaway civilization on the south pole .... now (an)other(s) is/are trying to get up to speed ...

[The One]

Originally Posted by Luke
Lemme see, because Trilateral C is fairly low level construct that manages subset of Earth affairs and has ZERO interests OR power in out-of-Earth-political-spectrum matters

Is that a fact or just your opinion i couldnt disagree more (my opinion)

In the American tradition of disdain for royal titles, he was secretly called "Original Hostage Krlll". You should know that the alien flag is known as the "Trilateral Insignia". It is displayed on their craft and worn on their uniforms. Both of these landings and the second meeting were filmed. The films exist today.







http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CC4QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bibliotecapleyades.net%2Fesp_sociopol_trilat.htm&ei=mHjvTKO6IsqxhAeE8snIDA&usg=AFQjCNFxUhSaLFi3HjVmWkvViM591dXC7Q

[Elandiel BernElve]

Good morning y'all ;)

The above discussion reminded me of some leads and questions Jordan maxwell put on his site.
check them out they are very related to the whole nazi facism topic

The US and Nazi germany have direct links that could signify continuation of the secret nazi agenda.

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/questions/questions4.html
http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/questions/questions7.html
http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/questions/questions8.html
http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/questions/questions9.html

I've got to admit I don't like his style. Jordan never gives a straight answer, just a lead to something i'm supposed to find out myself.
The thing is the internet and the world is so saturated with information it's impossible to know what answer is right.
He did all the research but kind of keeps the ultimate findings to himself. Or.. you have to buy all his stuff.
Right..
I know the man is honest, he is sincere and a walking encyclopedia but come on, does he want the world to change or not?
My feeling is that he's a young soul and a bit afraid perhaps. I hope he's allright though:)

[Bill Ryan]

The fact that it's called the TC-Group however indicates it's not; in "Trilateral Commission", 'trilateral' is an attributive and 'commission' the headword; in 'TC-Group', the T and C both would be attributive in nature, to modify the 'Group'. I think the words hold clues here and indicate that the persuasive weight of likelihood is on the side of the TC-Group and the Trilateral Commision being different bodies.

Seikou-Kishi

This is a translation for The One: :)

S-K is saying that the name would not be used like this. It could be the Trilateral Commission, or maybe the Trilateral Group, but not the Trilateral Commission Group. That's like saying The World Health Organization Group (WHO) or the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization Group (UNESCO). It's not WHOG or UNESCOG.

But: the whole idea of the Trilateral Commission posting to a UFO forum is ridiculous. Like Ban Ki-moon from the UN posting here in response to this thread to clear things up, it's not gonna happen in a zillion years.

[Elandiel BernElve]

How about Terrestial Control Group?

At least that would make sens ;p

P.S. kudos to Bill, I was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice that a commission group is two words for almost the same thing;)

And why do I always hear americans say double negatives? for example: " I don't need "no" car. " so in fact you do!

Education:)

"Take what I say in a different way and it's easy to say that this is all confusion"
Jon Anderson - Yes

[The One]

Thank you for that Bill

I have never stated once that i believe the TC-Group is the Trilateral Commission and i was fully aware of S-K post my IQ isn’t that low. And the whole idea of the Trilateral Commission posting to a UFO forum is ridiculous. Just looking into all possibilities that’s all.

Like most threads this topic as totally gone off topic and ok i am part to blaime for that

[Bill Ryan]

And why do I always hear americans say double negatives? for example: " I don't need "no" car. " so in fact you do!

Education :)

The problem with the world is that there are too many people of below average intelligence.

(If any Avalonian doesn't get that joke, please leave now!)

[Elandiel BernElve]

If any Avalonian doesn't get that joke, please leave now!)

Smiling!

no this ain't no walmart bro :cool:

You should be surprised how many European youths pick up that kind of MTV and gangmovie language and use it here as well. It's a pitty..

It definately totally frustrated my English teacher to see language decay at this rate.


(sorry for the off topic posts)

[Beren]

Smiling!

no this ain't no walmart bro :cool:

You should be surprised how many European youths pick up that kind of MTV and gangmovie language and use it here as well. It's a pitty..

It definately totally frustrated my English teacher to see language decay at this rate.


(sorry for the off topic posts)

To add more on this off topic here...
When in school long time ago, we were said that if anyone writes "gonna" "wanna" "dunno" your instead of you're or you are " will immediately get 1 (equal as F)...

:doh::becky:

[Seikou-Kishi]

English used to be perfectly fine with double negatives until one point when prescriptive grammarians said a double negative cancels itself out (originally, a double negative in English was emphatic "I don't need no Walmart" meant "I really don't need Walmart"). Still, I really don't like it either haha

Beren: your teachers should have been glad you knew things like 'gonna'. I always say you don't really speak a language until you know it's slang and swear-words lol.

Elandiel: (nice name btw) language changes all the time. That's the only reason that today we speak English and not Anglo-Saxon or Old High German. It changes every time it has to adapt to a new concept. The real death of language was the printing press; frozen spellings, frozen grammar. Stasis is the only death. Technically a commission is a group established by a superior authority and with a goal to consider a single subject, while a group is a very broad word referring to a collection of people or things with something in common, be it a goal or goals or just an identity. Maybe that reveals something about the TC... having to come from a higher authority (all commissions/committees are delegated) and having been established by the Rockefellers.

That's certainly given me something to ponder :)

Seikou-Kishi

[Rocky_Shorz]

As far as I understand, this topic (Humankind 2.0) is the most important item on the very large table of puzzle pieces that we're all looking at.

I'm going very, very carefully here, but my understanding is that the human race is being engineered to be honed into something that is leaner, meaner, and more 'fit for purpose'.

This is not necessarily anything that anyone reading this would agree with. But (as things stand) we don't get a vote, as we're not 'in charge'. It's all about eugenics and evolution and who created Humankind 1.0 anyway... it's the biggest story.

so how does this all tie into the Nazi Supreme Race...

they are taking off with 18000 lvl2 humans to start a colony on a different planet?

[lightblue]

.
rocky:
they are taking off with 18000 lvl2 humans to start a colony on a different planet?


you may wish...if it was about them about to take off, great, i'd help them pack up...i think bill meant something else: that is being cooked up for our planet..that new race would have to overwhelm us first i gather before they took over.. :unsure: l


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[jasontorque]

Exactly right. There's a "Human Civilization" 2.0 being created - and you and I are not part of it. We're still trying to get to grips with 1.0.

Version 2.0 has advanced spacecraft, fast-than-light communications, off-planet bases, access to all of human history, free energy, has enhanced some people physically, mentally and psychically, and is prepared to leave us all behind. No public sector scientist has made the cut.

..and the question is why..?

[Rocky_Shorz]

well 18,000 against 7 Billion... I don't care how evolved they are, that isn't going to overwhelm us...

now the plot that was in the making was over 500 Million planned on sweeping through a stargate, all with the ability of mind control. They would have just stepped into the minds of our top 500,000,000 most powerful people in our world and do what ever they want... Each person in a living hell, awake enough to know what is going on without the strength to stop it... They were not coming to bring us to the 5th dimension, we are a race of spiritual beings and this was going to be the move to crush all of our spirits...

all of the ones on this side of the gate realize now something is wrong, the process should have already started...

They are pushing to start a war but too many are awake and preventing them from reaching their goals...

I think the 18K are hopping into escape pods because the world is turning on them...

[Koyaanisqatsi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XevJR7biQE8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XevJR7biQE8
Thoughts?

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This appears to be anti/counter gravity type of propulsion to me, classic TR-3B, apparently filmed with infrared/nightvision lens.

[Swami]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XevJR7biQE8&feature=player_embedded

Thoughts?

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This appears to be anti/counter gravity type of propulsion to me, classic TR-3B, apparently filmed with infrared/nightvision lens.

Do you know this site...?
http://www.edgrimsley.com/index.html

And this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8398-Solar-Warden&highlight=Solar+warden

[Zook]

Hello Koyaanisqatsi,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XevJR7biQE8&feature=player_embedded
Thoughts?

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This appears to be anti/counter gravity type of propulsion to me, classic TR-3B, apparently filmed with infrared/nightvision lens.

My desktop cursor keeps disappearing on me. Now I know where it goes!

Interesting stuff. ARV? Or the real McCoy?

:typing:

[Ironleaf]

I just went through all the posts in this thread. Absolutely mindblogging! So I understand that Humanity V.2 is leaving Humanity V.1 on Gaia as it take off for space, destination unknown. Now the last post on this thread is somehow old. Anything new to report? The fleet has departed? This is not intended as a cynic remark!

[Nortreb]

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What I understand - and have been told - is that the technology already exists to leave the solar system. Those huge 600 ft (180 m) long craft are not just going to the Moon or Mars.

Gordon Novel made enquiries, and learned that there are eight (8) of them. They probably cost tens (maybe hundreds) of billions of dollars each. And we wonder where all the trillions of dollars have gone.

Answer:


On operational black technology such as these (and other) craft.
On the bases on the moon and Mars.
On the hundreds of deep underground bases - the construction program for which I was told has been increased by 75% over the last four years.


Wow, Bill! This is really profound.

Thanks for sharing this!

Thanks
Nortreb