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Bill Ryan
30th August 2015, 13:10
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I came across this wonderful short piece this morning, and felt I had to share it.

(My view is not identical to his, but the way he expressed his view is quite marvelous.)

It comes from this excellent TIME article on Einstein: 20 things you need to know about Einstein. All of it is well worth reading.
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1936731_1936743,00.html

The page that I stopped and marveled at is this one:
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1936731_1936743_1936862,00.html


Did Einstein believe in God?

Yes. He defined God in an impersonal, deistic fashion, but he deeply believed that God's handiwork was reflected in the harmony of nature's laws and the beauty of all that exists.

He often invoked God, such as by saying He wouldn't play dice, when rejecting quantum mechanics. Einstein's belief in something larger than himself produced in him a wondrous mixture of confidence and humility.

As he famously declared: "A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe — a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort."

When asked directly if he believed in God, he always insisted he did, and explained it once this way:

"We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."

spacejack
30th August 2015, 15:42
I've read lots of quotes from Einstein about his views on god. One that is subtle but very strong:
God does not play dice with the universe.

That says a lot about how he thinks about it.

joeecho
30th August 2015, 16:06
Wonderful article, Bill, thanks for the links.

I agree, God doesn't play dice with the universe but the universe certainly plays dice with itself.

https://bigcheesix.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/anarchy3fish.jpg

lake
30th August 2015, 20:23
Well lets see ....
If god is, then god created man as a freewill being ....... if god is good, then god would not create evil .... so then man must have created evil, as a freewill choice ....... but if man is a part of god, then the sins of the father must reign true and god is teaching evil to the son?
Else man is not a part of god or man has no freewill!
If you state that satan creates evil and not man /god .... did not god create satan?
Is not satan gods child the same as man?

god it would seem does play dice ....... in fact it plays a vastly more risky and complex game

CD7
30th August 2015, 20:48
Man plays dice...not creation

Violet
30th August 2015, 21:13
(...) The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."[/I]

I think Maxwell may have pointed in the same direction with his belfry metaphor:

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(from: The Symbolic Universe: Geometry and Physics 1890-1930, p.11)




(...) Yet Maxwell developed a qualitative theory of spectra. The sharp spectral lines came from the resonant vibrations of molecules excited during their mutual collisions. He used the analogy of the resonances of bells in a belfry, whose structures were hidden, but set in motion by pulling on the bell ropes.

(from: http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/366/1871/1697)

OneLittleFrog
30th August 2015, 22:25
When asked directly if he believed in God, he always insisted he did
:confused:Really? A quick search reveals many quotes to the contrary - such as,

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

I would be a little wary of Time Mag as a source, because they've done this before. In the early 40's Time Mag printed a similar article, quoting Einstein in praise of the Catholic Church:

"Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."
This "interview" was used extensively to further the Church's agenda. However Einstein later wrote:

"The wording of the statement you have quoted is not my own...I cannot in good conscience write down the statement you sent me as my own. The matter is all the more embarrassing to me because I, like yourself, I am predominantly critical concerning the activities, and especially the political activities, through history of the official clergy."
In 1954, he wrote this:

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.
But he followed that flat statement with this:

"If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

Einstein was a Humanist, and an early member of the First Humanist Society of New York. A very, very spiritually complex man, for sure. My favorite of his quotes:
"Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty."
...and, perhaps, that beauty was what he meant when he used the g-word....:Angel:

joeecho
30th August 2015, 23:03
When asked directly if he believed in God, he always insisted he did
:confused:Really? A quick search reveals many quotes to the contrary - such as,

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."


That is the problem with the written/ recorded word....

I would lay bet that if most of the words ever written or spoken regarding spiritual matters were permanently recorded and digitally searchable on anyone, one could find contradictions in 100% of the people.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/26/bb/e2/26bbe2749514e9fc03c5a7ac505ab00a.jpg


Man plays dice...not creation

So man and creation are separate?

Bill Ryan
30th August 2015, 23:58
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@ All: fascinating little thread I accidentally started here. :)

@ OneLittleFrog — thank you! (I was impressed with your research (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84903-The-way-Einstein-saw-God&p=994384&viewfull=1#post994384). All noted with great interest.)

Carmody
31st August 2015, 01:28
I always find it interesting that the next layer up in dimensional clarity is one of responsibility. It appears as if its it some form of responsibility to those who still live mentally, in the 3d time-space world... but it is not that at all.

Not as forced, or directed (this given 'responsibility').. but 'is'... due to knowing of the depth of connectivity. To harm other is to harm self, not because the self is intimate with other, but that ultimately other is self.

Grappling and wrestling with other and self will still and does exist when in that state... but that the knowing... takes the given interactive(s) to a different state and condition of analysis and logic. The shape and character of what is personal and important changes dramatically. It is not the commonly known change in self with age from ego to balanced overview, but something more, something wider and with more depth. To not just hear or read of 'other' existences but to live and protrude it into 'here' in a state of knowing and being. That, in a nutshell, is the next change in humanity. To sum it up in a few words, 'No more secrets'. Our science fiction dream of the future will not take place, the unfamiliar unknown will be - exactly that.

I find it interesting, or more..revealing in that eastern societies know more about such mind, such condition... than that of the western mind. 'Western barbarian' as a term did not come about without good reason. As a modern comparative in this sort of analysis, neocon types should be more careful when they play games with the east. they may achieve visceral results with their visceral acts, but those are merely surface conditions; the eastern people behind the scenes have values and levels/states/conditions that the power structure of the west has little understanding of.

In conclusion, This is similar to the complexity of Einstein's retorts, acts, statements, etc, about his connections to the universe and 'god'.

One may discern a thing in what Einstein says, regarding his position...but it may be only one aspect, one point, one direction, one shade... when the true complexity of it really lies on a different level and it is similar to those ropes Maxwell speaks of.

This is similar to the eastern interactive coming out of the west, and it is similar to the ET issues, and so on. pulling on ropes when one has no idea of the hidden clockworks. Conclusions in such environments can be highly erroneous.

Fellow Aspirant
31st August 2015, 02:49
In my signature quotation ...

"A human being is a part of the whole, called by us "Universe," a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest—a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness."

Albert E.

... I was attracted to Einstein's expressed view of human consciousness, as a part of our makeup that is 'deluded' by the notion of us being separated not just from each other, but from the universe itself. That he believed we were all parts of a universal unity that is unlimited in time and space matches my (our?) beliefs as well.

Furthermore, when he claims that this delusion is optical in nature, I like to think that he was alluding to the universe's holographic nature, an ultimate reality construct that our consciousness is, so far, 'blind to'. Whether this was much later in his thinking than his famous "God doesn't play dice with the universe", in which he rejected the ramifications of quantum theory, I don't know. But clearly when he attributes our ignorance of the truth to a fault in our consciousness, he is heading down the path of the mysticism of the ancients - and the moderns.

He is expressing a spiritual belief.

Namaste all,

and thanks especilally to Bill for starting this thread!

Brian

Rachel
31st August 2015, 03:11
Eintsein was correct, God doesn't play dice with the universe.

If God were to throw seven billion die (or many more, choose a number), all at once, God would know what number would be rolled for each and every one. Child's play, God is infinite. There is no trace of not knowing or doubt in God. Man doesn't play with dice either (other than literally throwing the little cubes), we simply don't have the power to. In this analogy, man would be the dice that is thrown.

amor
31st August 2015, 04:08
Pondering the reasons why God would make a creation, I have come up with the following: 1. He was lonely and wanted to create companions of his own caliber. 2. He wished to create depths of knowledge to keep boredom at bay and so started the creation of a construct which would feed upon itself and grow eternally as long as he wished it to do so. 3. One Jewish man suggested his creations, unendingly engaging in sex would guarantee him eternal climaxes. I thought this was crude, but we should not exclude any possibilities. A subheading under one might be that good and evil exist to teach the right path. The Bible says that God will expunge the Evil, death and hell, in the lake of fire (dissolution) at the end (of the experiment.)

GMB1961
31st August 2015, 07:33
My sense of god is my sense of wonder about the universe
I remember the late Robin Williams said that on one of his records.........I can dig it!

Baby Steps
31st August 2015, 08:20
In a way, we all create God for ourselves in that we look at the all, within the limitations of our imagination and perceptual constructs. We might wish to reduce the idea of God from 'all of it' to an aspect of the all, if we wish to define an aspect of it that we wish to promote as an ideal or sign post for developing souls. In that context I think Einsteins definition is very very beneficial for us to contemplate!

I used to go to a Conversations with God discussion group and caught myself almost taking an atheist stand point because people's take on God can be loaded with religious clap trap. Not sure now of the value in challenging this.

I think Einstein disliked a quantum universe where particles behave randomly and are hard to place. They are not a closed system, but what we see is just a slice through a greater reality, or a set of parallel realities all operating simultaneously.for someone like him this set of untied loose ends would have been a great quest to investigate.
God bless

bogeyman
31st August 2015, 09:12
How can man who is like an ant on a very tiny ball floating in space know even a fraction of what this creator is? Even these visitors of ours are still learning, remember this Einstein was just a human being like everyone else, and there are many equal and even beyond his very focus knowledge, and out side that framework many are just as unwise, and unknowledgeable as everybody else. We covet knowledge in scientific understand yet these individuals who have learnt this very limited knowledge and very limited view in compared to the infinite universe, are outside this knowledge just as unknowing and lack of understanding in many other areas including the most important of which is knowledge of the spiritual some of which has to be given and cannot be learned.

Agape
31st August 2015, 11:26
There is no shortcut to eternity .. between You and Eternity it's a Process , a Way .. the 'lasting' of existence is what defines the meaning of life and existence as a whole .

Between 'now' and 'then' there's an array of knowns and unknowns , destiny to unfold , truths to be discovered ..
but who ever can claim he's discovered the Whole universe . Would such an adventurists not explode to quanta of information traversing the time-space ,
on still greater journey of discovery .

How big is That form of Life ? How pervasive is such consciousness ?


Is not all we seem or see .. but a dream within a dream the same way your visible sparkle of Light is but one phenomenon on long EM spectrum curvature .
Do you 'end' with the visible world and its phenomena , no you don't .

To the Sun we are but a Firefly so what does it matter ..


Imagine : scientist in 3000 AD and what way does he explain 'God' . :star:

johnh
31st August 2015, 13:52
What can be known of God is done through the heart, the mind is left behind, then catches up momentarily to organize some kind of order, and that's OK as long as you know the dynamic. There is a perspective though in which there is only observation, but not fullness. Some things cannot be known while encased in a human body, anyway, and that's OK, too.

All of the great Teachers have stressed the cultivation of the virtues, the here and now practical aspect of God. Freedom and responsibility are intertwined or life is destroyed, or at least minimized. Prison. In ancient times humans were not willing to be responsible enough for themselves or for the small part of the creation within their sphere of influence. Still happening today. Decline into apathy.

Tragic that there is much discussion tantamount to how many angels will fit on the head of a pin "while our beds are burning."

Goodbye, Einstein, and BTW thanks for the bomb in as much as you (fraudulently?) contributed to that horror. Couldn't care less for your opinions about God.

God has been speaking, few are listening. "You people had better get responsible and clean up your mess."

greybeard
31st August 2015, 19:46
"‘The world will not evolve past its current state of crisis by using the same thinking that created the situation."

’ Einstein.

Chris

Cardillac
31st August 2015, 21:09
I dunno, guys and dolls, I think the Hermeticists had the story right: mind is not 'local' in our heads but exists in everything in creation (obviously we cannot yet communicate with rocks among other things); but if one has read the'70's book "The Secret Life of Plants" not to mention the info about the various animal experiments where dogs above all sensed when their masters left their work places to come home let alone the documented research of the German Aerospace Institute which proved that water has memory I think we can all believe that religious dogmas (all of them, regardless of religion) are bogus-

please be well all-

Larry in Germany

CD7
31st August 2015, 21:15
Quote Posted by CD7 (here)
Man plays dice...not creation



Joeecho-So man and creation are separate?




YES---ERGO---The Chaos we are currently experiencing....Man has yet to work WITH CREATION...its a part of it (creation) but rather then cultivating Nature/creation it is acting like a cancer which turns on its own cells and destroys it....Man plays dice with creations blueprint by pulling it apart and "trying" to put it back together again LOL.....When in reality creations system is a blueprint to follow--build upon...

joeecho
31st August 2015, 23:02
Quote Posted by CD7 (here)
Man plays dice...not creation



Joeecho-So man and creation are separate?

YES---ERGO---The Chaos we are currently experiencing....Man has yet to work WITH CREATION...its a part of it (creation) but rather then cultivating Nature/creation it is acting like a cancer which turns on its own cells and destroys it....Man plays dice with creations blueprint by pulling it apart and "trying" to put it back together again LOL.....When in reality creations system is a blueprint to follow--build upon...

You give man far too much credit.

Chavah
1st September 2015, 01:04
Thanks, but I do see those books with the titles because my mind is gifted in languages. Even the word Ti-tle had its beginning. It literally meant "Eagle Coin or Tall" (tall men had coins) as if the Ti or Eagle of Egypt once had a name coined for him--oh, He did. God bless America. Is there an ai-gaul or eye of Gaul on her coin? Every one has a Title, such as god, but what is His name? Truth is found in the correct translations of all ancient religious texts. Alien greys are called AKUE, the Egyptian term for "alien" spirit. Evil men turn into greys in the afterlife. Aren't they beautiful? Proof: Pronounce Wicca backwards as did Egyptians. Evil witches or angels poisoned wells, murdered, etc. and turned into a Beta Reticuli goon. But, that's part of heaven's war, the afterlife, where those things are coming from. Ever consider that? Ka watched his wife be molested by Ra (ra-pe) in Egypt, so he turned him into D'Ra-co, meaning "the soul of Ra". Lyra is just below that--Ly-Ra. Every one was "set" in Egypt, if they had a chair or "seat". That was the throne, and Set(h) sat in it third, after Adam and the Herakty, "High-Chief-eagle". That is the truth. Seth was the third Herakty of Egypt. Aliens are very wise to truth; we are not. Adam's Egyptian name was Makkadama. From whence we get Macadamia, moccasin, and Mecca. Mi-Ka, Ka-mi. I am Ka, God. He is Kami spirit of nature that is ready to remove the liars from this earth that belongs to Mika, Mika-el or Michael. Kemet is Ka'mat, God's truth. Liars are killing it, the birds, the animals, all because they will not let go of the money and let the good inventors take over. Bye-by to the rich and greedy liars. I got so angry, because the animals are "children". Starship rides are fun if your not on a grey's ship.

Agape
1st September 2015, 01:46
Thanks, but I do see those books with the titles because my mind is gifted in languages. Even the word Ti-tle had its beginning. It literally meant "Eagle Coin or Tall" (tall men had coins) as if the Ti or Eagle of Egypt once had a name coined for him--oh, He did. God bless America. Is there an ai-gaul or eye of Gaul on her coin? Every one has a Title, such as god, but what is His name? Truth is found in the correct translations of all ancient religious texts. Alien greys are called AKUE, the Egyptian term for "alien" spirit. Evil men turn into greys in the afterlife. Aren't they beautiful? Proof: Pronounce Wicca backwards as did Egyptians. Evil witches or angels poisoned wells, murdered, etc. and turned into a Beta Reticuli goon. But, that's part of heaven's war, the afterlife, where those things are coming from. Ever consider that? Ka watched his wife be molested by Ra (ra-pe) in Egypt, so he turned him into D'Ra-co, meaning "the soul of Ra". Lyra is just below that--Ly-Ra. Every one was "set" in Egypt, if they had a chair or "seat". That was the throne, and Set(h) sat in it third, after Adam and the Herakty, "High-Chief-eagle". That is the truth. Seth was the third Herakty of Egypt. Aliens are very wise to truth; we are not. Adam's Egyptian name was Makkadama. From whence we get Macadamia, moccasin, and Mecca. Mi-Ka, Ka-mi. I am Ka, God. He is Kami spirit of nature that is ready to remove the liars from this earth that belongs to Mika, Mika-el or Michael. Kemet is Ka'mat, God's truth. Liars are killing it, the birds, the animals, all because they will not let go of the money and let the good inventors take over. Bye-by to the rich and greedy liars. I got so angry, because the animals are "children". Starship rides are fun if your not on a grey's ship.



Oh well you know our Ancients thought GOD ( The great unspoken a'in , the 'it' that can't be unfolded ) , the ultimate mystery , is also father/mother of all alphabets .

Is Aleph , Alpha , Al , Alak = Allah ( A-lakshana = without sign ) , Ael , Aeons ..Aum , Omega , Ka Kha Ga Gha Na .. Alfa Beta , the Runes ,
Chinese pictograms , all created on principles of systems , hanging on a tree , a picture , they come as a whole pack.

It's fairly difficult nay impossible to apply understanding of one level to another .

As Lao'tze says : You see children but not the Mother
you see effects but not causes

when you observe all causes far to their source ...


you also understand everything :bigsmile:

CD7
1st September 2015, 12:15
Quote Posted by CD7 (here)
Man plays dice...not creation



Joeecho-So man and creation are separate?

YES---ERGO---The Chaos we are currently experiencing....Man has yet to work WITH CREATION...its a part of it (creation) but rather then cultivating Nature/creation it is acting like a cancer which turns on its own cells and destroys it....Man plays dice with creations blueprint by pulling it apart and "trying" to put it back together again LOL.....When in reality creations system is a blueprint to follow--build upon...

You give man far too much credit.

I in a sense am saying that 'man has no idea what there doing and I'm giving them too much credit? Lol the credit I give is for the Potential...Possibilities which many cannot even fathom......and incidentally telling me how I think of man based on this post is slighted as you have not heard me many times refer to man as Retards.....I am included in tht bunch WE ALL ARE...HOWEVER....the POTENTIAL ...KEY WORD...IS THERE. Some know ****ty coal can transform into diamonds...man has tht potential ..we are walking chemistry labs whom at the present time are blind and retarded to its capacities......

bogeyman
1st September 2015, 17:32
What if I told you this so named Creator has a form so it can communicate with all rational beings in the spiritual form, and it is large and looks exactly like a certain type of alien creature that has yet never visited this world? Also what if I told you that in the spiritual it is very much alive and has expression and all of us at one stage when we are evolved enough will stand before this Creator, and that all things are connected and all living things with a rational mind should know all this, except this world is a dark world and something is very wrong here, and these visitors of ours are here to help us correct it and move forward in the spiritual part of our existence.

joeecho
1st September 2015, 22:04
The universe can do wonderfully creative things, the universe can do wonderfully destructive things.

Man can do wonderfully creative things, Man can do wonderfully destructive things.

Universe 1
Man 1

Avuso
2nd September 2015, 09:03
Perhaps one could draw a distinction between the universe and God/Creator/Source.

There is incredible beauty and structure in the universe with its stars and mathematics, which is what scientists can find awe-inspiring without attributing it to anything holy, and in our lives with synchronicities and spiritual growth, which people can experience without needing to reference anything external or believe anything at all. The Buddha is quoted as saying the whole universe arises and ceases right here in this body, and in my understanding when it does cease, when we cease to give it meaning, we'll finally be free. But to get there we've got to uncover the biggest conspiracy of all- the ego really likes being itself and playing games in our holographic universe and will do anything to prevent the disillusion of the illusion.

Avuso
2nd September 2015, 12:28
The Buddhist text I mentioned really is quite appropriate here and perhaps of interest to our astral travelers. Here it is:

On one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Savatthi, in Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's monastery. Then Rohitassa, the son of a deva, in the far extreme of the night, his extreme radiance lighting up the entirety of Jeta's Grove, went to the Blessed One. On arrival, having bowed down to the Blessed One, he stood to one side. As he was standing there he said to the Blessed One: "Is it possible, lord, by traveling, to know or see or reach a far end of the cosmos where one does not take birth, age, die, pass away or reappear?"

"I tell you, friend, that it is not possible by traveling to know or see or reach a far end of the cosmos where one does not take birth, age, die, pass away, or reappear."

"It is amazing, lord, and awesome, how well that has been said by the Blessed One: 'I tell you, friend, that it is not possible by traveling to know or see or reach a far end of the cosmos where one does not take birth, age, die, pass away, or reappear.' Once I was a seer named Rohitassa, a student of Bhoja, a powerful sky-walker. My speed was as fast as that of a strong archer — well-trained, a practiced hand, a practiced sharp-shooter — shooting a light arrow across the shadow of a palm tree. My stride stretched as far as the east sea is from the west. To me, endowed with such speed, such a stride, there came the desire: 'I will go traveling to the end of the cosmos.' I — with a one-hundred year life, a one-hundred year span — spent one hundred years traveling — apart from the time spent on eating, drinking, chewing & tasting, urinating & defecating, and sleeping to fight off weariness — but without reaching the end of the cosmos I died along the way. So it is amazing, lord, and awesome, how well that has been said by the Blessed One: 'I tell you, friend, that it is not possible by traveling to know or see or reach a far end of the cosmos where one does not take birth, age, die, pass away, or reappear.'"

[When this was said, the Blessed One responded:] "I tell you, friend, that it is not possible by traveling to know or see or reach a far end of the cosmos where one does not take birth, age, die, pass away, or reappear. But at the same time, I tell you that there is no making an end of suffering & stress without reaching the end of the cosmos. Yet it is just within this fathom-long body, with its perception & intellect, that I declare that there is the cosmos, the origination of the cosmos, the cessation of the cosmos, and the path of practice leading to the cessation of the cosmos."

It's not to be reached by traveling, the end of the cosmos — regardless. And it's not without reaching the end of the cosmos that there is release from suffering & stress.

So, truly, the wise one, an expert with regard to the cosmos, a knower of the end of the cosmos, having fulfilled the holy life, calmed, knowing the cosmos' end, doesn't long for this cosmos or for any other.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.045.than.html

CD7
2nd September 2015, 19:57
Bogeyman--
Creator has a form so it can communicate with all rational beings in the spiritual form, and it is large and looks exactly like a certain type of alien creature that has yet never visited this world?


Interesting take rarely heard....so the idea that god/creator made us in his image is different from this? So an alien type creature that has never visited...and does not mirror any image of species here?

bogeyman
3rd September 2015, 10:45
Bogeyman--
Creator has a form so it can communicate with all rational beings in the spiritual form, and it is large and looks exactly like a certain type of alien creature that has yet never visited this world?


Interesting take rarely heard....so the idea that god/creator made us in his image is different from this? So an alien type creature that has never visited...and does not mirror any image of species here?

Creator is spiritual in nature, it is image of spiritual not the form it is but the nature of the spirit the energy hence image. No nothing here is like the alien type creature speak of.

CD7
3rd September 2015, 13:03
Bogeyman
Creator is spiritual in nature, it is image of spiritual not the form it is but the nature of the spirit the energy hence image. No nothing here is like the alien type creature speak of.


Not into debating whether this is right or wrong....just trying to understand how something can create outside of itself without having some part of itself mirrored in its Creation....

I suppose if you think of artists who create entities/beings not from here..but usual in a sense they replicate a piece of whats in creation presently...

Just thoughts.....really not interested in banging this around too much, id rather be discussing with the creator how we can stop destroying This creation and Cultivate it instead? Could care less what form IT IS....The spirit is Suffering

bogeyman
3rd September 2015, 13:16
Bogeyman
Creator is spiritual in nature, it is image of spiritual not the form it is but the nature of the spirit the energy hence image. No nothing here is like the alien type creature speak of.


Not into debating whether this is right or wrong....just trying to understand how something can create outside of itself without having some part of itself mirrored in its Creation....

I suppose if you think of artists who create entities/beings not from here..but usual in a sense they replicate a piece of whats in creation presently...

Just thoughts.....really not interested in banging this around too much, id rather be discussing with the creator how we can stop destroying This creation and Cultivate it instead? Could care less what form IT IS....The spirit is Suffering

Our spirit is part of the creator, the energy, substance, all from same source. The form well mankind as a whole is very geo centric in his thinking so understanding that its form isn't like us helps us develop and understand more about others out there and our place. All that is happening here is coming to one single point in time, you can try to limit the damage but it all is there for a reason, even though man may not understand the larger picture, doesn't mean though what is going on is expectable it isn't, fight the destruction of nature and the evil man does to each other, all we can do is our best.

lake
3rd September 2015, 16:52
Woke up with a thought!

Lets have a definition of GOD:

a very bored unlimited in any form or way, concept of total awareness which would rather not!

no .... just ....... rather not


Consider it, there is NOTHING which you, as GOD, do not know (past, present or future) or which you cannot create/uncreate as a 'whim' of yours!

How sad it must be to have no limitation.
I know it sounds 'strange' but really NO limitation .... responsibility for ALL that you create, which IS ALL THINGS EVER!
Even when you give total freewill to your creation ....... your still blamed for all and any choices they make AND you knew that they would make those choices when you created them!!!!

Then you have the constant "why did he allow this" and the classic "Oh God help me"
You give them the ability to create anything they want and they create/allow slavery for themselves? Then blame you! And you KNEW this would happen as well!
Talk about take the 'fun' out of it!

Who would want to be GOD?
Personally I'm not surprised that such an awareness decided to become limited, forgetting all that it knew, installing barriers to its true self.
Wouldn't you?

You even get forums where your creations discuss whether or not you could exist!
Bloody cheek.

I would say that for GOD limitation must be like a vacation .... a nice chilled swim within the lake of time, a bit of 'not being the responsible one', leave it to the kids sort of weekend off!
You can always clean it up once you get back home ....... no harm really done because, well you knew what you would do before you did it .... sh*t I'm going back on limitation vacation.......

bogeyman
3rd September 2015, 17:11
Woke up with a thought!

Lets have a definition of GOD:

a very bored unlimited in any form or way, concept of total awareness which would rather not!

no .... just ....... rather not


Consider it, there is NOTHING which you, as GOD, do not know (past, present or future) or which you cannot create/uncreate as a 'whim' of yours!

How sad it must be to have no limitation.
I know it sounds 'strange' but really NO limitation .... responsibility for ALL that you create, which IS ALL THINGS EVER!
Even when you give total freewill to your creation ....... your still blamed for all and any choices they make AND you knew that they would make those choices when you created them!!!!

Then you have the constant "why did he allow this" and the classic "Oh God help me"
You give them the ability to create anything they want and they create/allow slavery for themselves? Then blame you! And you KNEW this would happen as well!
Talk about take the 'fun' out of it!

Who would want to be GOD?
Personally I'm not surprised that such an awareness decided to become limited, forgetting all that it knew, installing barriers to its true self.

Wouldn't you?

The spiritual side of Man can see everything in creation for it is apart of the Creator, and everything is connected. Our lack of knowledge concerning the creator and our current spiritual evolvement has prevented many not been able to access this ability, but not all, some can see the past, present, future, regardless of location, dimension, all things in existence is accessible, but the way things are here at the moment it is limited access, for some universal laws are at play here. Some spiritual sides of man are on a much higher level of development than many that are here, for they were chosen or rather asked to be associated with the physical form in order to carry out work here.