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Realeyes
8th September 2015, 22:52
ABOUT TO GO LIVE
The Ruiner is in 9 minutes about to have a 1st interview with Kerry Cassidy.

This will be live on "google/youtube hangout".

I have no idea how to find this, searched everywhere. If someone with 'know how' of a link, please post here.

My own searching has found this link, but not sure if this is the right link. http://original.livestream.com/projectcamelotlive

So any tech advice would be really appreciated, as I have searched quite a bit before writing this post, wanting to be more useful for others with a precise link. So please, if you know, add in this link below.

RunningDeer
8th September 2015, 23:35
ABOUT TO GO LIVE
The Ruiner is in 9 minutes about to have a 1st interview with Kerry Cassidy.

This will be live on "google/youtube hangout".

I have no idea how to find this, searched everywhere. If someone with 'know how' of a link, please post here.

My own searching has found this link, but not sure if this is the right link. http://original.livestream.com/projectcamelotlive

So any tech advice would be really appreciated, as I have searched quite a bit before writing this post, wanting to be more useful for others with a precise link. So please, if you know, add in this link below.

Thanks, Realeyes. In answer to your question if it's the right link for The Runier. No, the link brought me to Kerry doing a Q&A. Maybe she waiting for him to come on?

Sometimes, she'll add the video on her YouTube channel later. I hope The Runier gets uploaded. In the meantime, I'll see if I can find it.

RunningDeer ♡

UPDATE: Kerry mentioned to read the book "Enders Game" before the movie comes out. It came out in 2013. I'm beginning to think that it's an old live stream. Some of the questions asked are about fallen angels, The Boston Marathon, Sandy Hook and Andrew Bartzis. It also explains only the 5 viewers.

Realeyes
9th September 2015, 01:18
ABOUT TO GO LIVE
The Ruiner is in 9 minutes about to have a 1st interview with Kerry Cassidy.

This will be live on "google/youtube hangout".

I have no idea how to find this, searched everywhere. If someone with 'know how' of a link, please post here.

My own searching has found this link, but not sure if this is the right link. http://original.livestream.com/projectcamelotlive

So any tech advice would be really appreciated, as I have searched quite a bit before writing this post, wanting to be more useful for others with a precise link. So please, if you know, add in this link below.

sorry my timezone calculations was pants........... the link works and interview is coming close to happening now


7PM TONIGHT JOIN ME FOR AN INTERVIEW WITH THE RUINER...http://projectcamelotportal.com/kerrys-blog/2615-blue-avians-layers-of-the-onion-and-thoth-returns
ON MY YOUTUBE GOOGLE HANGOUT CHANNEL if we make the connection or via http://livestream.com/projectcamelotlive/

ILLUMINATI INSIDER SPEAKS OUT.....

Update: http://projectcamelotportal.com/kerrys-blog/2657-7pm-tonight-join-me-for-an-interview-with-the-ruiner

Wide-Eyed
9th September 2015, 01:25
Let Gio do it;) he posts everything, he knows where to find the informative cool stuff:ROFL: Hey Gio he likes it !

RunningDeer
9th September 2015, 01:51
ABOUT TO GO LIVE
The Ruiner...about to have a 1st interview with Kerry Cassidy.

UPDATE: Now on. Push play.

The Runier - Stand by snap shot + video link below. 7:00 Pacific Time

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/ruiner_zpsp8mjsawa.png

GKblUezQR2g

Scheduled for Sep 8, 2015

ILLUMINATI INSIDER SPEAKS OUT.....
7PM TONIGHT JOIN ME FOR AN INTERVIEW WITH
THE RUINER

onawah
9th September 2015, 02:07
Never mind! Running Deer just posted it. Thanks RD! It's 9:05 PM here where I am, Central Time zone, so I'm assuming the live interview already happened, though I'm not sure where Kerry is broadcasting from. Is there a link where we can listen to a recording of the interview? I couldn't find the Ruiner interview it on any of the links given so far. Thanks.

RunningDeer
9th September 2015, 02:09
:bump: LIVE: The Runier Interview - push play


GKblUezQR2g

Scheduled for Sep 8, 2015

ILLUMINATI INSIDER SPEAKS OUT.....
7PM TONIGHT JOIN ME FOR AN INTERVIEW WITH
THE RUINER

Camilo
9th September 2015, 02:26
ILLUMINATI INSIDER SPEAKS OUT

https://youtu.be/GKblUezQR2g

09/08/2015

RunningDeer
9th September 2015, 02:31
LIVE: The Runier Interview - push play Also posted on "The Blog of The Ruiner - Inside the Illuminate Mind (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81805-The-Blog-of-The-Ruiner-Inside-the-Illuminati-Mind&p=997168&viewfull=1#post997168)"


GKblUezQR2g

Scheduled for Sep 8, 2015

ILLUMINATI INSIDER SPEAKS OUT.....
7PM TONIGHT JOIN ME FOR AN INTERVIEW WITH
THE RUINER

Kerry referenced the video in Shane's above.


PROJECT CAMELOT: ILLUMINATI DECLARE WAR & PLANET X 2016
KAMERAN INTERVIEW TWO
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Published on Sep 8, 2015

This is a wild and uncompromising ride into the illuminati playing field where they are using this interview along with the Taylor Swift video/song "Bad Blood" to announce the split in their ranks and a declaration of war between them.

This is my 2nd interview with Kameran Felly. A Kurd and an Englishman who worked for many years in high level finance for the Illuminati - City of London.

He is expanding on his last interview, in great detail regarding Planet X and the current financial war impacting all aspects of our lives.

This is the first video with Kameran Felly.


PROJECT CAMELOT : KAMERAN FALLY - PLANET X & ASTRO-PLANETOLOGY
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Published on Mar 13, 2015

This is an interview with Kameran Fally, banker, physicist, religious scholar and political advisor to top levels of the British and Iraqi governments.

GO TO : http://projectcamelotportal.com to obtain a copy of his 44 page presentation explaining in more detail his theory on the return of Planet X. As an insider, he has access to information of the preparations by governments around the world for something that we, the general public are not being told. In this video he explains his background, theory and the signs that governments are preparing at the highest levels for a significant event in the next two years. He is also a remote viewer and has visions which he believes are also giving him information about this. His conclusions are his own and Project Camelot cannot confirm or deny the information he puts forward here. However, it is worth noting that much of the information in this video has been substantiated by various Camelot witnesses. Yet, his timeline for the unfolding events is his own.

Please see the disclaimer he has written which has been posted to the end of this video for further clarification on Kameran's own position with regard to this information.

sunflower
9th September 2015, 02:33
Thanks, Running Deer. Much anticipated and appreciated.

RunningDeer
9th September 2015, 02:34
Kerry referenced this video in Shane's above.


PROJECT CAMELOT: ILLUMINATI DECLARE WAR & PLANET X 2016
KAMERAN INTERVIEW TWO
ycEx1BNAB7Y

Published on Sep 8, 2015

This is a wild and uncompromising ride into the illuminati playing field where they are using this interview along with the Taylor Swift video/song "Bad Blood" to announce the split in their ranks and a declaration of war between them.

This is my 2nd interview with Kameran Felly. A Kurd and an Englishman who worked for many years in high level finance for the Illuminati - City of London.

He is expanding on his last interview, in great detail regarding Planet X and the current financial war impacting all aspects of our lives.

This is the first video with Kameran Felly.


PROJECT CAMELOT : KAMERAN FALLY - PLANET X & ASTRO-PLANETOLOGY
Dm65i1eQpCY

Published on Mar 13, 2015

This is an interview with Kameran Fally, banker, physicist, religious scholar and political advisor to top levels of the British and Iraqi governments.

GO TO : http://projectcamelotportal.com to obtain a copy of his 44 page presentation explaining in more detail his theory on the return of Planet X. As an insider, he has access to information of the preparations by governments around the world for something that we, the general public are not being told. In this video he explains his background, theory and the signs that governments are preparing at the highest levels for a significant event in the next two years. He is also a remote viewer and has visions which he believes are also giving him information about this. His conclusions are his own and Project Camelot cannot confirm or deny the information he puts forward here. However, it is worth noting that much of the information in this video has been substantiated by various Camelot witnesses. Yet, his timeline for the unfolding events is his own.

Please see the disclaimer he has written which has been posted to the end of this video for further clarification on Kameran's own position with regard to this information.

Realeyes
9th September 2015, 02:36
Never mind! Running Deer just posted it. Thanks RD! It's 9:05 PM here where I am, Central Time zone, so I'm assuming the live interview already happened, though I'm not sure where Kerry is broadcasting from. Is there a link where we can listen to a recording of the interview? I couldn't find the Ruiner interview it on any of the links given so far. Thanks.

I am listening live now from this link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKblUezQR2g

onawah
9th September 2015, 03:29
Does anyone know where to go to submit questions for Kerry to ask Shane?

terragunn
9th September 2015, 03:44
One of the branches of learning in the Illuminati is spiritual. Like the Illuminati who serve in the political branch, those in the spiritual branch are expert double-talkers, trained in contra-programming methods of communicative relay. Each serves a particular angle, and each angle corresponds at a certain degree or degrees to one or more of the other particular angles. When I say this I envision a sphere grid with a finite number of different angles connecting at one point or more with each other, forming Equilateral, Scalene, and Isosceles triangles within. Contained within the sphere grid overlay and the triangular overlays is an infinite number of chaotic, squiggly, non-angular lines. These chaotic, squiggly, non-angular lines are trajectories of our thoughts, and all thoughts are creation. It matters not whether such thoughts are manifested/perceived in our light-encoded ‘physical’ reality: the I AM presence of All There Is and that which we are is creation. The angles that form the triangular overlays and the sphere grid overlay are all components of the overall computation Matrix grid. The primary function of the computation Matrix is to gather, contain, compress, and redirect thought through its network structure. In a very literal sense, it puts chaos (our thoughts) in order. Control our thoughts and our reality is controlled. The Astrals cannot create so they use us to create for them. And when the Astrals say to us – via different forms of connectivity – that we create our own reality, they are speaking the truth. But, as always, they leave out pertinent information. As is said, ‘A half truth is a whole lie’.

If the Ruiner is as he states, then the Ruiner serves an angle of the spiritual/philosophical branch of the Illuminati. What is salient to dissect and discern is the angle/programme/cause itself that the Ruiner serves and, by way of suggestion, propagates. The relayed double-talk information of the Ruiner is not as important as the angle/cause of which the Ruiner serves and propogates. Such is the same with all those who are instruments of the Cabal, whether witting or unwitting.

The posts of the Ruiner are exercises. As with the other instruments of the Cabal, the Ruiner baits a rod with information. It does not matter whether the information is true or not, only that it serves the angle and causes thoughts amongst the recipients to be in formation. Plant an idea, allow it time to seed, and if it does, then watch it grow, like a clinging vine, within the confines and along the structure of the interconnecting angles of the computation Matrix.

It appears that a lot of people are more and more realising how thoughts are manipulated to support this structural overlay, and how difficult it is, without clinging to some angle of the structural overlay, to function without its framework and ‘guidance’. Our thoughts are constantly course manipulated and have been for a long time, so this feeling of disconnectedness will, of course, through our conditioning and implants, seem as though we have lost our way, when in actuality, it is quite the opposite – we are freeing ourselves from the mind control entrapment of the computation Matrix: the Mind of the ‘Father’ and the Womb of the ‘Mother’.

RunningDeer
9th September 2015, 03:56
A big thank you to Shane and Kerry. I look forward to more interviews.

A couple points:

Focus on the general concepts rather than the minutiae.
Send love and light to the dark one if you so choose, but it's most important to conserve energy and grow it within.

onawah
9th September 2015, 04:06
The Ruiner states that he no longer serves the Illuminati, so I am not sure why you begin the paragraph following with " If the Ruiner is as he states, then the Ruiner serves an angle of the spiritual/philosophical branch of the Illuminati. Please explain. Thanks.




If the Ruiner is as he states, then the Ruiner serves an angle of the spiritual/philosophical branch of the Illuminati. What is salient to dissect and discern is the angle/programme/cause itself that the Ruiner serves and, by way of suggestion, propagates. The relayed double-talk information of the Ruiner is not as important as the angle/cause of which the Ruiner serves and propogates. Such is the same with all those who are instruments of the Cabal, whether witting or unwitting.

Paul
9th September 2015, 04:08
Does anyone know where to go to submit questions for Kerry to ask Shane?

Apparently Kerry is, or was (not sure if the program is still live) using Google Hangouts for this interview with Shane. So I guess it would be via Google Hangouts that questions could be put.

Paul
9th September 2015, 04:15
The live interview has ended, I'd guess 10 or 20 minutes ago. You can listen to it on Youtube
GKblUezQR2g

DNA
9th September 2015, 10:50
There is no color, detail or texture in the recount of the Ruiner.
The narrative is so generalized, nothing specific.
With all due respect, I'm calling bullsh!t on the ruiner.

Becky
9th September 2015, 11:21
There is no color, detail or texture in the recount of the Ruiner.
The narrative is so generalized, nothing specific.
With all due respect, I'm calling bullsh!t on the ruiner.

That's not entirely true...he talks briefly about his experiences witnessing human sacrifice during rituals and explains why he has an aversion (put off finding them sexually attractive) to 'blondes'.

This to me does add colour, detail and texture, as do other elements of his interview.

Becky
9th September 2015, 11:25
I'd like to know more about WHY blonde people - women and children specifically - are preferred for sacrificial rituals. Both he and Simon have recently referred to the colouring of people being significant to the elite. Is it the DNA? or is it more a soul thing - that certain souls will be lined up for certain bodies with specific DNA. I would really like to know more about this.

Shannon
9th September 2015, 11:26
There is no color, detail or texture in the recount of the Ruiner.
The narrative is so generalized, nothing specific.
With all due respect, I'm calling bullsh!t on the ruiner.

That's not entirely true...he talks briefly about his experiences witnessing human sacrifice during rituals and explains why he has an aversion (put off finding them sexually attractive) to 'blondes'.

This to me does add colour, detail and texture, as do other elements of his interview.

That part made me really weirded out. Not cause I'm a blonde but instead of it being a sympathetic reason to not being attracted to blondes, his deal is he just doesn't like them. (?) Like how? Not enough detail to me at all.

Shannon
9th September 2015, 11:29
I gotta give props to Kerry Cassidy though, she really tries to get answers and pose questions that are significant. Not an easy thing with subjects such as these.

Becky
9th September 2015, 12:24
There is no color, detail or texture in the recount of the Ruiner.
The narrative is so generalized, nothing specific.
With all due respect, I'm calling bullsh!t on the ruiner.

That's not entirely true...he talks briefly about his experiences witnessing human sacrifice during rituals and explains why he has an aversion (put off finding them sexually attractive) to 'blondes'.

This to me does add colour, detail and texture, as do other elements of his interview.

That part made me really weirded out. Not cause I'm a blonde but instead of it being a sympathetic reason to not being attracted to blondes, his deal is he just doesn't like them. (?) Like how? Not enough detail to me at all.

Hi St Theresa, my guess is that he's witnessed the abuse and trauma caused to specifically blonde people so it almost gives him an aversion to them....maybe Shane could answer this himself, but I can certainly understand the association. I'm sure he feels compassion for them, but through this trauma he doesn't 'go for' blondes perhaps because the negative connotations are too strong for him.

Cidersomerset
9th September 2015, 13:38
Strange one I can see how DNA thinks its BS , and I feel some sort of vibe coming
from him like Becky. Most of what 'little he said' could have come from reading
other research and witness disclosure. Or it could be the nature of the interview ,
that Kerry let it flow and was relatively gentle with him.

When he discusses witnessing ritual sacrifice , murder & rape that he witnessed as
a child, to other children and adults. His answer felt underwhelming as did his
general tone and attitude, coming over in his voice which seemed a bit flippant. But
that could be a defence mechanism of what he saw and experienced. Needs more
info and a more specific structured interview before I can make judgement either way

" No mistress Cassidy , in this one "...LOL

On the Uhm scale...UHM !

Mike
9th September 2015, 13:39
Hey has the Ruiner made any predictions?

If so, I predict with 100% certainty that none of them will come true.

Cidersomerset
9th September 2015, 13:51
Hey has the Ruiner made any predictions?

If so, I predict with 100% certainty that none of them will come true.

No not even a 'riot'...LOL...I feel like a blast, after all he is a musician....


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Star Mariner
9th September 2015, 14:26
I gotta give props to Kerry Cassidy though, she really tries to get answers and pose questions that are significant. Not an easy thing with subjects such as these.

Yet missed some critical questions. At about the 1hr mark, the secret space program came up, (plus extra-dimensional/planetary travel, portals, black projects etc,) and whereas we learned Shane had been 'educated' in these matters, had a 'comprehensive view of them', I was really wanting Kerry to pointedly ask him, had he witnessed/experienced the actual reality of them first hand? That could have led to more questions, and some interesting (perhaps less generalized) information.

A good interview over all, though a little sketchy in places. Because I would imagine a lot of people tuning in to listen were already familiar with Shane's story, but Kerry seemed to be unclear on several aspects, as if she hadn't even read his blog, which I found surprising, and a little frustrating.

Sean
9th September 2015, 14:34
Sorry guys..maybe it's just because I'm in a bad mood..because I found out last night, just before listening to this interview that one of my "15th dan" martial arts instructors' credentials are about as real as "Caitlin Jenner's" tits..so I'm not kind to anyone who pretends to be what they're not.

"The Ruiner" is full of ****.

I don't care how deep you are in a bloodline family..NO ONE can have the kind of experiences this man claims to have had, and describe them with that kind of colorless flippancy.

He made "talking to giants telepathically" sound like going to 7-11 for a pack of cigarettes. That crack about hating blonde women because he saw so many being tortured was WAY OFF, people. He talks of using portals to go offworld like it's nothing. sorry, no. HELL no. I'm an actor and a vo artist. this means, I'm pretty well-versed in human behavior. Being an actor requires it to be any good at it. There was nothing "right" about how shane responded to these questions. At the very least, I was looking for that "world-weary" tone that those who have seen and participated in major things have. ask a war vet; you see it in them. They've "seen things" that others never do. I sensed NONE of that in shane.

All I heard was a guy telling stories.

maybe he should come to hollywood. I can probably find him an agent.

Shannon
9th September 2015, 15:02
Sorry guys..maybe it's just because I'm in a bad mood..because I found out last night, just before listening to this interview that one of my "15th dan" martial arts instructors' credentials are about as real as "Caitlin Jenner's" tits..so I'm not kind to anyone who pretends to be what they're not.

"The Ruiner" is full of ****.

I don't care how deep you are in a bloodline family..NO ONE can have the kind of experiences this man claims to have had, and describe them with that kind of colorless flippancy.

He made "talking to giants telepathically" sound like going to 7-11 for a pack of cigarettes. That crack about hating blonde women because he saw so many being tortured was WAY OFF, people. He talks of using portals to go offworld like it's nothing. sorry, no. HELL no. I'm an actor and a vo artist. this means, I'm pretty well-versed in human behavior. Being an actor requires it to be any good at it. There was nothing "right" about how shane responded to these questions. At the very least, I was looking for that "world-weary" tone that those who have seen and participated in major things have. ask a war vet; you see it in them. They've "seen things" that others never do. I sensed NONE of that in shane.

All I heard was a guy telling stories.

maybe he should come to hollywood. I can probably find him an agent.

Man, sorry about your instructor, that sucks....

Yeah I guess I can see what Becky is saying about dudes aversion to blonde peeps, but It just doesn't feel right, something about his giggle and cool way of talking about torture that soured me to the whole story.

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There is no color, detail or texture in the recount of the Ruiner.
The narrative is so generalized, nothing specific.
With all due respect, I'm calling bullsh!t on the ruiner.

That's not entirely true...he talks briefly about his experiences witnessing human sacrifice during rituals and explains why he has an aversion (put off finding them sexually attractive) to 'blondes'.

This to me does add colour, detail and texture, as do other elements of his interview.

That part made me really weirded out. Not cause I'm a blonde but instead of it being a sympathetic reason to not being attracted to blondes, his deal is he just doesn't like them. (?) Like how? Not enough detail to me at all.

Hi St Theresa, my guess is that he's witnessed the abuse and trauma caused to specifically blonde people so it almost gives him an aversion to them....maybe Shane could answer this himself, but I can certainly understand the association. I'm sure he feels compassion for them, but through this trauma he doesn't 'go for' blondes perhaps because the negative connotations are too strong for him.

You could be right, I don't know him , just sounded so flippant and he laughed and made a little like joke, weird. Yeah innapropriate coping mechanism, possibly? Idk..

Paul
9th September 2015, 15:21
I don't care how deep you are in a bloodline family..NO ONE can have the kind of experiences this man claims to have had, and describe them with that kind of colorless flippancy.
Perhaps that emotional separation from what he has experienced is part of the way he is, and that helped him survive what has overwhelmed many.

Shannon
9th September 2015, 15:30
I gotta give props to Kerry Cassidy though, she really tries to get answers and pose questions that are significant. Not an easy thing with subjects such as these.

Yet missed some critical questions. At about the 1hr mark, the secret space program came up, (plus extra-dimensional/planetary travel, portals, black projects etc,) and whereas we learned Shane had been 'educated' in these matters, had a 'comprehensive view of them', I was really wanting Kerry to pointedly ask him, had he witnessed/experienced the actual reality of them first hand? That could have led to more questions, and some interesting (perhaps less generalized) information.

A good interview over all, though a little sketchy in places. Because I would imagine a lot of people tuning in to listen were already familiar with Shane's story, but Kerry seemed to be unclear on several aspects, as if she hadn't even read his blog, which I found surprising, and a little frustrating.

Well, I look at it like this...she's interviewing people with seriously outstanding and unbelievable claims, she has to approach the interview and ask questions that will sound almost mean or patronizing to some people, I think imo. Years ago when I first heard of an interview she did I was like ok, how is someone going to interview someone about being in a super space program and being in Mars or the moon ? Coming from a mainstream, public education, listen to the tptb point of view, I think she does a fine job and keeps her composure... Even being used to the alternative media, I'm still blown away by some of the questions people come up with, brilliant stuff.

hardrock
9th September 2015, 15:49
I always thought the hatred of blue eyed blonde people was a Jewish construct against racial purity of Aryans? I have no idea though, just anecdotal evidence that I can find.

RunningDeer
9th September 2015, 15:50
This is an interview with Kameran Fally, banker, physicist, religious scholar and political advisor to top levels of the British and Iraqi governments.

GO TO : http://projectcamelotportal.com to obtain a copy of his 44 page presentation explaining in more detail his theory on the return of Planet X. As an insider, he has access to information of the preparations by governments around the world for something that we, the general public are not being told.

Because it's not easily found on Kerry's site and a couple of request for the link, I'll add here the 44 page PDF of Kameran Fally’s “Planet-X and Astro-Plenetology (http://projectcamelotportal.com/files/A_New_Chance.pdf)”.

Omni
9th September 2015, 15:52
I don't care how deep you are in a bloodline family..NO ONE can have the kind of experiences this man claims to have had, and describe them with that kind of colorless flippancy.
Perhaps that emotional separation from what he has experienced is part of the way he is, and that helped him survive what has overwhelmed many.
After having hundreds if not thousands of amazing experiences myself, sometimes I describe them calmly and without much emotion too. It is a side effect of having so many experiences, that what is extraordinary to one person has just become normal to another.

I don't always agree with Shane, in fact I disagree somewhat strongly with a couple things he has said(I haven't watched this interview yet). But I think he's a stand up honest person after interacting with him. I'm not sure anyone has everything right about this complex reality we live in... But I pretty much know he is not lying. Now could he be being misdirected in some areas? Different story.

3(C)+me
9th September 2015, 15:53
I listened to this interview very late at night. Maybe that was it, I just don't know, I was sort of underwhelmed by it all, even the giants stuff. I am going to mull this over a bit.
I did casually look at his blog and some of it was interesting but was not all that into it, I am getting tired of hearing about this good old boys club, I am almost bored by them since they just pull from the same bag of tricks.
Kerry, if you go at Mr Ruiner again, please get your questions together and in order before the interview starts and I trust you will ask the ones most people and yourself want to know.
Some organization is not a bad thing.

Becky
9th September 2015, 15:54
I have to agree with you Paul. I can sympathise with Workingactors thoughts and current issues, but Shane feels legit to me...

A Voice from the Mountains
9th September 2015, 15:59
Shane ("the Ruiner") seems to have a Kurt Cobain syndrome to me. He says he doesn't want attention, and "all but begged" everyone to stop reading his blog except for his group of followers (as if he couldn't post his info on a private forum, which I even offered to set up for him -- though he noted that every time he tells people to stop reading his blog his views go up), and then he turns around and does an interview with Kerry Cassidy. I suppose this is only for his group of followers as well, and nobody else is supposed to watch it. :facepalm:

Shane
9th September 2015, 16:59
bsbray.. I was quite clear as to why I was doing the interview despite having not wanted the attention. Many people have asked me to continue writing and start speaking since the blog concluded and I have agreed. If people want to listen to what I have to say, they are welcomed to. Your offer to help make the blog private was attractive to me, but not to the people I was writing to.

For the rest of the thread, I am thankful to hear what you all have to say. Just to clarify a couple things:


I do not "hate" blondes, I did stumble in what I meant to say, though. It is sexual or romantic feeling towards blonde women that are an issue for me.

This was the first time I've ever been interviewed on this type of topic. I am very used to responding to direct questions, but not so used to putting forward stories without those questions. As example, when asked to "paint the scene" I was at a loss to know what to say and so I didn't say much. My focus was to honestly answer the questions as well as I could and yes, I could have done better in that regard also.

Thanks for listening, or not listening, for commenting, or not commenting, for enjoying what I have to say and for saying I am full of BS.

With love and respect,

Neal
9th September 2015, 17:10
Shane,

Thank you for all you have done and for deciding to continue to further write and now speak about your knowledge and experiences!

With gratitude,

Delight
9th September 2015, 17:12
Shane ("the Ruiner") seems to have a Kurt Cobain syndrome to me. He says he doesn't want attention, and "all but begged" everyone to stop reading his blog except for his group of followers (as if he couldn't post his info on a private forum, which I even offered to set up for him -- though he noted that every time he tells people to stop reading his blog his views go up), and then he turns around and does an interview with Kerry Cassidy. I suppose this is only for his group of followers as well, and nobody else is supposed to watch it. :facepalm:

The very first blog he did is now Be-Lied by this thoroughly insipid interview with no details. For instance he claims he is a communicator. His communication here was a waste.

Was what he said he experienced touching me as "TRUE"? (Some will say he sheilded)
So am I to believe he was real because he was insipid and flippant and vague??

I am very interested in the history of previous 'men" and I think they were gigantic in size at one point. He said they called themselves "giants". What he gave was only SO LIKE VERY POORLY WRITTEN FICTION. (Will some say that because "he will be in danger", he cannot tell us anything?)

He has given nothing to make me think he is what he says he is....and says what makes me think he is like all the rest building some "career" in "exobull"


Working actor said:

' colorless flippancy.

He made "talking to giants telepathically" sound like going to 7-11 for a pack of cigarettes. That crack about hating blonde women because he saw so many being tortured was WAY OFF, people. He talks of using portals to go offworld like it's nothing. sorry, no. HELL no. I'm an actor and a vo artist. this means, I'm pretty well-versed in human behavior. Being an actor requires it to be any good at it. There was nothing "right" about how shane responded to these questions. At the very least, I was looking for that "world-weary" tone that those who have seen and participated in major things have. ask a war vet; you see it in them. They've "seen things" that others never do. I sensed NONE of that in shane.

All I heard was a guy telling stories."

Also, please note more Niburu Planet X Rendevous with AstroPlanetology expert vaguely supported by the Ruiner.
We are sent to another source who will be very popular now. Ruiner will let us know of his next project (album, book, film?)

Vague outline of coming attraction:

In August 2016, while the Rio Olympics is on, the world will go into smoke and darkness from the iron oxide smog of Planet X.

Implications
1. Famine and all the subsequent violent response
2. Darkness and continued smog of iron oxide with loss of ability of agriculture, animal husbandry
3. Loss of worldwide communication
4. The "Jin" will be forced to earth (deep earth) (not sure what he means)?
5. OF COURSE we will have global control of whoever is left for the sake of survival

This is the tribulation. It will be hellish. BUT don't feel bad. The end of the world will occur until Jesus returns in a bright cloud to restart the "Beautiful new world". SERIOUSLY.

The story I read in the pdf made my heart sink. That is even though I am disbelieving. What will it do for those who are already believing that SOMETHING is coming? I suspect there will be lots more IMPLICATIONS to read and hear and think about and prepare for and angst over....

Maybe the implication is that we'd be better off to just die now? Maybe we should all try to get ito the bunkers. Whatever, try stocking storing and most of all make your tribal bonds NOW and be prepped and ready. Or like the grasshopper, you will be sorry.

Delight
9th September 2015, 17:36
bsbray.. I was quite clear as to why I was doing the interview despite having not wanted the attention. Many people have asked me to continue writing and start speaking since the blog concluded and I have agreed.

Thanks for listening, or not listening, for commenting, or not commenting, for enjoying what I have to say and for saying I am full of BS.

With love and respect,

And with respect for myself and for you, I am certain that the hard questions are the ones that need to be stressed. There have been patterns of alt community liars who waste the energy we could be using elsewhere. Yes, MY attention is energy. Others' attention is energy. Just because someone claims they are an experience r, we want to hear becaue WE have experience. I am seriously questioning the use of my energy (and ALL others) I have given to all the "informers". Is this being scooped up in a nice looshly stuffed package?

I am sorry if I seem rude. I could never be n interviewer because no one would like my questions.
No personal affront meant...and I am just pointig out a strange what not.
I read your defense of your performance. It did not make me feel guilty. Maggie

In your very first blog you stated


What happens when people come out with information like this is all sorts of people begin to follow the speaker. Then the ego takes over and the speakers story grows. Next thing you know they are all over all the radio stations and doing interviews all the while claiming they don't want to do so.

It's quite simple. If you don't want to.. Don't.

I don't want to, so I won't. If someone would like to interview me under this name (The Ruiner) that would be fine, but I am not going to tell the world who I am, because I do not want the followers.

Now that this much is clear the reason I am sure most would assume as my reason for being anonymous is to protect myself from the Illuminati or Cabal. I don't need to do that, they know I am writing here, and they don't care. Who is going to listen anyways? No one.

They know as well as I do that unless I embrace the celebrity of being a "whistleblower" that this blog will be generally ignored.

So You have changed the tune

Carmody
9th September 2015, 17:39
In the wold of disclosure and secrets ---that which functions, with regard to exposure, dies or is killed. Sometimes immediately.

Ie, less than 24 hours is possible, depending on the nature of the threat and the given effectiveness of said threat.

Ewan
9th September 2015, 17:52
Every so often someone pops up claiming this and that, and as far as I can see all they do is divide opinion until they fade away and are replaced by the next one.

I'm avoiding them from now on as I can't see what good they possibly do irrespective of authenticity.

Shannon
9th September 2015, 18:05
Delight, I like you're honesty in your post. I don't see feel that honesty when I read the ruiners (Shane's) posts, I'm going to be honest and say I don't believe him. Respectfully, I don't see why I should believe anyone who doesn't care if you believe them or not, if they cared enough to put their life in jeopardy, they would want the truth to believed and back that up passionately with evidence, names, places and whatever else is asked. You're life is already on the line, give it all or nothing, it's not the time to half step. Now combine that with the vague, non detailed, answers from someone who says they are connected to a bloodline where mindf***ing and torturing each other is like me kissing my husband good morning.

Yet, I follow, (not to be confused with "following") I don't believe, I consider his words and listen to the story...

I could be one hundred percent wrong as well and I'm humble enough to always remind myself that sometimes sh*t just comes out of left field. :)

* sorry for the language!

A Voice from the Mountains
9th September 2015, 18:10
Coming out as a "whistleblower" seems to have become a fad in the last few years. Just because of the nature of the whole thing, people don't expect to be able to validate what they're hearing/reading, and it becomes literally like a religion, with people believing based on nothing but faith and maybe claims of some kind of intuition which itself wouldn't stand up to critical questioning.

When every other whistleblower either contradicts everyone else in the details, or else they just keep vetting and referring back to one another's work, creating a big circular argument, the whole scheme loses that much more credibility to me. There can be totally legit whistleblowers out there that have 20 people riding their coat tails and copying information from each other, until finally anyone paying attention to all of them doesn't know where up and down are anymore when the details start diverging and the drama erupts.

All of these kinds of discussions just remind me why empirical science, logic and critical thinking used to be valued so much in western society.

greybeard
9th September 2015, 18:15
Every so often someone pops up claiming this and that, and as far as I can see all they do is divide opinion until they fade away and are replaced by the next one.

I'm avoiding them from now on as I can't see what good they possibly do irrespective of authenticity.

Just now and then Anakie? I wish!!!

There seems to be a never ending stream of story tellers--true or false? I have no way of knowing but regardless the story is similar, in that we need to watch out, or something will get us.

I suspect that humans have a need to feel insecure and threatened---looking for a hero who knows and will save us.
Co-dependence big time.

I think it all started with the nursery rhymes that we are fed by well intentioned parents, but on examination,seems its all about, watch out, be good, do what you are told, or else the bogey man will get you.

Chris

Shane
9th September 2015, 18:21
And with respect for myself and for you, I am certain that the hard questions are the ones that need to be stressed. There have been patterns of alt community liars who waste the energy we could be using elsewhere. Yes, MY attention is energy. Others' attention is energy. Just because someone claims they are an experience r, we want to hear becaue WE have experience. I am seriously questioning the use of my energy (and ALL others) I have given to all the "informers". Is this being scooped up in a nice looshly stuffed package?

I am sorry if I seem rude. I could never be n interviewer because no one would like my questions.
No personal affront meant...and I am just pointig out a strange what not.
I read your defense of your performance. It did not make me feel guilty. Maggie

In your very first blog you stated


What happens when people come out with information like this is all sorts of people begin to follow the speaker. Then the ego takes over and the speakers story grows. Next thing you know they are all over all the radio stations and doing interviews all the while claiming they don't want to do so.

It's quite simple. If you don't want to.. Don't.

I don't want to, so I won't. If someone would like to interview me under this name (The Ruiner) that would be fine, but I am not going to tell the world who I am, because I do not want the followers.

Now that this much is clear the reason I am sure most would assume as my reason for being anonymous is to protect myself from the Illuminati or Cabal. I don't need to do that, they know I am writing here, and they don't care. Who is going to listen anyways? No one.

They know as well as I do that unless I embrace the celebrity of being a "whistleblower" that this blog will be generally ignored.

So You have changed the tune

Quite simple... Don't read. Don't listen. You are spending much more energy writing this, than it would take for you to ignore me :)

It wasn't meant to make you feel guilty, it was simply honest.

Did I post anything I wrote here? Did I post the interview here? Am I responsible for the choices of others?

Should I not speak or write for those who wish me to because some others do not?

Yes my intention has changed, and I stated why in the interview and above. Is that somehow wrong of me too?

If my writing a blog, which is well within my rights, is a distraction to you, then I do apologize. Again, choose not to read it, or comment on this thread. Simple. Some people do enjoy it, and that is why I have decided to continue.

With love and respect,

Mike
9th September 2015, 18:23
Shane ("the Ruiner") seems to have a Kurt Cobain syndrome to me. He says he doesn't want attention, and "all but begged" everyone to stop reading his blog except for his group of followers (as if he couldn't post his info on a private forum, which I even offered to set up for him -- though he noted that every time he tells people to stop reading his blog his views go up), and then he turns around and does an interview with Kerry Cassidy. I suppose this is only for his group of followers as well, and nobody else is supposed to watch it. :facepalm:


Very true.

It's the formula these days - act coy and reticent. The "reluctant hero". Then slowly come to the forefront.

I don't mind saying that I said this would happen a long time ago. It's as predictable as can be.

Delight
9th September 2015, 18:40
And with respect for myself and for you, I am certain that the hard questions are the ones that need to be stressed. There have been patterns of alt community liars who waste the energy we could be using elsewhere. Yes, MY attention is energy. Others' attention is energy. Just because someone claims they are an experience r, we want to hear becaue WE have experience. I am seriously questioning the use of my energy (and ALL others) I have given to all the "informers". Is this being scooped up in a nice looshly stuffed package?

I am sorry if I seem rude. I could never be n interviewer because no one would like my questions.
No personal affront meant...and I am just pointig out a strange what not.
I read your defense of your performance. It did not make me feel guilty. Maggie

In your very first blog you stated


What happens when people come out with information like this is all sorts of people begin to follow the speaker. Then the ego takes over and the speakers story grows. Next thing you know they are all over all the radio stations and doing interviews all the while claiming they don't want to do so.

It's quite simple. If you don't want to.. Don't.

I don't want to, so I won't. If someone would like to interview me under this name (The Ruiner) that would be fine, but I am not going to tell the world who I am, because I do not want the followers.

Now that this much is clear the reason I am sure most would assume as my reason for being anonymous is to protect myself from the Illuminati or Cabal. I don't need to do that, they know I am writing here, and they don't care. Who is going to listen anyways? No one.

They know as well as I do that unless I embrace the celebrity of being a "whistleblower" that this blog will be generally ignored.

So You have changed the tune

Quite simple... Don't read. Don't listen. You are spending much more energy writing this, than it would take for you to ignore me :)

It wasn't meant to make you feel guilty, it was simply honest.

Did I post anything I wrote here? Did I post the interview here? Am I responsible for the choices of others?

Should I not speak or write for those who wish me to because some others do not?

Yes my intention has changed, and I stated why in the interview and above. Is that somehow wrong of me too?

If my writing a blog, which is well within my rights, is a distraction to you, then I do apologize. Again, choose not to read it, or comment on this thread. Simple. Some people do enjoy it, and that is why I have decided to continue.

With love and respect,

I think this is asking me to stop being involved in the information. I have heard that a lot. Just go with what resonates and leave the rest.

One example is about giants. I have been researching the history of other humanoids on the earth and seek real sources of knowledge to tie together information.
Information is all entangled between true and false. How to untangle it is an exercise.

I humbly disagree that JUST to ignore you is what I need at this time.
IMO in principle there is a funneling of attention towards dead ends that are not fulfilling of possibility for knowing the truth.

Since I have been on PA, I have been a writer and I never claimed that I am interested in being ignored. When people ignore me, I am not attached to it but I do have a strong POV. What I wish to find in a forum is meaningful discussion of ideas. I may be incorrect and more seek a response to show me my lack of veracity.

You are responsible for the content of your interview. If NO ONE had listened, you would have no purpose for being interviewed. So all I can say is that you invited an audiene and I am part of that audience.

IMO, the response you give to me sounds like others I have heard. "I just want an egregore", not a discussion among equals.

Shane
9th September 2015, 18:55
I think this is asking me to stop being involved in the information. I have heard that a lot. Just go with what resonates and leave the rest.

One example is about giants. I have been researching the history of other humanoids on the earth and seek real sources of knowledge to tie together information.
Information is all entangled between true and false. How to untangle it is an exercise.

I humbly disagree that JUST to ignore you is what I need at this time.
IMO in principle there is a funneling of attention towards dead ends that are not fulfilling of possibility for knowing the truth.

Since I have been on PA, I have been a writer and I never claimed that I am interested in being ignored. When people ignore me, I am not attached to it but I do have a strong POV. What I wish to find in a forum is meaningful discussion of ideas. I may be incorrect and more seek a response to show me my lack of veracity.

You are responsible for the content of your interview. If NO ONE had listened, you would have no purpose for being interviewed. So all I can say is that you invited an audiene and I am part of that audience.

IMO, the response you give to me sounds like others I have heard. "I just want an egregore", not a discussion among equals.


Whether or not you read, or listen, is your choice. Not mine. I did not ask to be interviewed or to be read. If there were no audience, I wouldn't mind. :) This forum and others like it are generally good places for "a discussion among equals."

With love and respect,

Bill Ryan
9th September 2015, 19:01
There is no color, detail or texture in the recount of the Ruiner.
The narrative is so generalized, nothing specific.
With all due respect, I'm calling bullsh!t on the ruiner.

He has to be general. Anything else is too dangerous. I've exchanged with him at length, off-record. As long as he doesn't mention specifics (names, places, etc), then that doesn't 'break the rules'.

This policy is also to be found in his blog, and (as an extra insurance policy) he stressed it was all really fiction. My personal conviction, based on what I know, is that it is totally not.

Bill Ryan
9th September 2015, 19:07
It's the formula these days - act coy and reticent. The "reluctant hero". Then slowly come to the forefront.



That's also the archetype of Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey. It's actually quite common (which is why it's an archetype)... many members here will have experienced that in various forms.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c7/e2/8d/c7e28da4dd9b1c6694495cdb08dd6cf1.jpg

Bubu
9th September 2015, 19:09
In the wold of disclosure and secrets ---that which functions, with regard to exposure, dies or is killed. Sometimes immediately.

Ie, less than 24 hours is possible, depending on the nature of the threat and the given effectiveness of said threat.

couldn't agree more. Truth seekers are better off knowing where to look at and what to look for. In most cases the most important info are not directly connected to the main event.

Star Tsar
9th September 2015, 19:15
There is another five hours of video posted along side Shane's interview what do my fellow Avalonians think of it?





Edit/answer from Bill: that depends on what your browser cookies tell Google/YouTube you're interested in watching. The videos recommended will be different for everyone

Bill Ryan
9th September 2015, 19:15
has the Ruiner made any predictions?



No, he hasn't, and he will not. He told me personally that there are so many plans A-Z in parallel, that to know what will happen when is almost impossible, even for many of those on the 'inside'. That situation is 100% real to me.

I also asked him directly whether he would be able to issue a warning, even privately, if he did feel he knew something was coming down imminently. He confirmed that he could, and would.

Bill Ryan
9th September 2015, 19:21
.
The moderators are discussing this privately right now. One of the team said:
Just reading the thread, and members are giving Shane a hard time. I am not sure as to why yet.

My reply:
There's a lot of angst in the air. Many members would prefer to read about a definite predicted asteroid strike next week, than someone who really does know something, speaking in guarded and careful terms.

Star Tsar
9th September 2015, 19:30
There is another five hours of video posted along side Shane's interview what do my fellow Avalonians think of it?





Edit/answer from Bill: that depends on what your browser cookies tell Google/YouTube you're interested in watching. The videos recommended will be different for everyone


No sorry Bill I mean posted by RunningDear ie Mr Faly's interviews no one has mentioned them...

Jhonie
9th September 2015, 19:34
I am disappointed we don't get to see the giants. But I imagine it would be difficult for them to get around being so tall and wires everywhere.

ghostrider
9th September 2015, 19:38
In my humble opinion there are very few real illuminati still around ... I think the ones making the rounds are just allowed to muddy the waters , and keep people in a state of fear and chasing their tails looking for the next cup of Kool-Aid...

Ernie Nemeth
9th September 2015, 19:45
Shane is alright in my books. Good, sincere guy. Surprised to find him the middle of a controversy. Wondering why he went down this road.

Wish we had hooked up last year...

All the best Shane!

Elainie
9th September 2015, 19:46
In my humble opinion there are very few real illuminati still around ... I think the ones making the rounds are just allowed to muddy the waters , and keep people in a state of fear and chasing their tails looking for the next cup of Kool-Aid...


There are still some around. I am not talking of the one's Shane knows, but the European one's who are bloodline families who are still very active in directing planetary *policy*. Many of them are elderly and their offspring have not followed in the same direction as their parents.

ghostrider
9th September 2015, 19:56
The real money has gone off grid/underground ... What the world sees is mostly clones ...all these famous people mysteriously die, so called banker suicides , scientists killed in strange plane crashes , planes full of software wizards just disappear...if one just steps back, take a breath, and revisits' the last four years a very scary portrait will appear... They have been planning the end game for a very long time, and they are good at secrets and misdirection...

Omni
9th September 2015, 19:59
.
The moderators are discussing this privately right now. One of the team said:
Just reading the thread, and members are giving Shane a hard time. I am not sure as to why yet.

My reply:
There's a lot of angst in the air. Many members would prefer to read about a definite predicted asteroid strike next week, than someone who really does know something, speaking in guarded and careful terms.
Yes Bill, it seems when someone presents the truth they are attacked a lot. When it is a psy op they are praised a lot. I have my own suspicions what might be behind that... Just something I've noticed,...Hadn't watched much of this particular interview , but what i did hear i think he was just telling an experience like he experienced it... An experience that is harder to believe... I don't see why Shane should be ridiculed when there are far more on the side of disinformation as opposed to Shane passing as good stuff with little resistance(like channeled material for example)...

I'm all for applying some critical thinking to what I believe. Do I believe everything as Shane says? No. But I know he's a genuine person and I'm a bit puzzled what is behind this negative response to Shane all of the sudden?

Are there any reasons other than he is too calm? (I'm not sure if flippant is how i would describe him.....)

Any logical reasons I mean? Logic is a lost art...

Sean
9th September 2015, 20:13
Well, speaking for myself, Shane just didn't sound genuine. Look, its not that I don't believe things like this are happening..if you review some of my posts, you'll see My story about being onboard a spacecraft and encountering a "blue avian" before I even knew what a blue avian WAS.

I read Shane's blog, and even anonymously posted a question that he graciously answered. My issue, here, is that if I'd seen even a tiny bit of Shane claims to have seen, my descriptions would be colorful and at least contain some sense of enthusiasm and wonder. We're talking illuminati, giant aliens, underground bases, spaceships abmnd offworld portals here..not the last episode of "the kardashians".

Something is off. #shrug

Mike
9th September 2015, 20:16
It's the formula these days - act coy and reticent. The "reluctant hero". Then slowly come to the forefront.



That's also the archetype of Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey. It's actually quite common (which is why it's an archetype)... many members here will have experienced that in various forms.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c7/e2/8d/c7e28da4dd9b1c6694495cdb08dd6cf1.jpg



Well, I'd call it a formula, like I said. It may be an archetype in literature or the movies, but in real life it feels disingenuous...to me anyway. When you know how you're going to proceed beforehand, but pretend otherwise...that sort of thing. I do understand the approach; had he come on bombastic and bragging I s'pose he would have lost his audience. But it just feels all too calculated to me...

You make a solid argument for keeping things general and unspecific - i get it, i really do! - but this also unfortunately serves as a wonderful insurance policy for would be whistleblowers who have no idea what they're talking about. I felt Shane was a little too vague. It was such a skeletal account that it bordered on meaninglessness. Poor Kerry...it's true that she should have been better prepared, but you could sense her mild exasperation at what were very bland and hollow answers.

I guess this is what we're up against ultimately...either no info at all, or some scrubbed, sterilized put-you-to-sleep outline of alternative history that we've all heard some version of 1000 times. One can't help but question the value, if any, of such a testimony. I dunno... Every time Kerry awkwardly asked one of her halting, unscripted questions, Shane responded sounding very much like a nervous kid at a spelling bee. Now, was he nervous because he was conscious of being too specific, or was it because he's lying and is worried about being found out? This is the question we all have to sort out for ourselves, I s'pose..

I don't mean to give Shane a hard time. If I met him in person I'm sure we'd make fast friends. But in a forum environment like this, after all is said n done, I feel i have more of a reason to not believe his story than to believe it.

Nasu
9th September 2015, 20:19
Being authentic is a tricky thing these days, nobody trusts anybody anymore, we see motives wrapped in subterfuge and true intentions hidden in plain sight behind walls of lies..

The more we come to know about life, the more we realize WE are a part, large or small, of the lie. We lie to ourselves, we lie to our friends and our closest family, that we are happy, that we are content. We lie to our children, from innocent white lies like Santa to big whoppers like the religion we have been bred to believe is the one true choice... We read lies everywhere, all the time..

Nobody trusts the media and the press today, even less the so called alternative media. Even the most died-in-the-wool believers in this matrix we call life, even those people, they are cynics first, believers second..

Dissernment. It is much overused these days and yet still remains so woefully undeveloped. I think it would be very hard for anyone to be believed as things stand, imagine a genuine voice amongst that throng, they would be drowned out by the din of all the wanna bees, as they are.

I don't require any proof from Shane, I don't expect him to believe in me, I don't expect him to help me to understand, I don't expect him to care if I don't understand, I don't need his info anymore than he needs mine, I don't expect him to change his approach to life so as to make clear to me, that which I am not yet able to see for myself, I don't expect him to consider me as a parent considers their creation, mindfully teaching at the child's level, rather than hoping in vane that the child can comprehend the parent. I take him at his word, that my involvement is a mere byproduct of his online activity, we found him after all, he did not find us.

Like you, I have my own mission in this life, like yours no doubt, mine needs good intel too. Good and bad intel, as I see it, both in their ways help to clear the fog of misdirection from our path, so that we may glimpse, sometimes very briefly, understanding.. Not truth mind you, truth so called is very subjective, understanding I feel, is a far more important challenge to rise to and or overcome.

All that being said, I thank Shane deeply, from the bottom of my heart, for helping ME to see another facet of this huge sparkly multi faceted diamond we call existence. Only when I can see about me fully, can I hope to judge for myself the condition of the weather for the next few days ahead, I don't expect anyone to scrutinize these things for me, quite often i'm wrong, its only by being wrong so many times, that I can ever hope to be right... Chuck said it better... N:

“I've always found that anything worth achieving will always have obstacles in the way and you've got to have that drive and determination to overcome those obstacles on route to whatever it is that you want to accomplish.”


― Chuck Norris

awakeningmom
9th September 2015, 20:33
I gotta give props to Kerry Cassidy though, she really tries to get answers and pose questions that are significant. Not an easy thing with subjects such as these.

Yet missed some critical questions. At about the 1hr mark, the secret space program came up, (plus extra-dimensional/planetary travel, portals, black projects etc,) and whereas we learned Shane had been 'educated' in these matters, had a 'comprehensive view of them', I was really wanting Kerry to pointedly ask him, had he witnessed/experienced the actual reality of them first hand? That could have led to more questions, and some interesting (perhaps less generalized) information.

A good interview over all, though a little sketchy in places. Because I would imagine a lot of people tuning in to listen were already familiar with Shane's story, but Kerry seemed to be unclear on several aspects, as if she hadn't even read his blog, which I found surprising, and a little frustrating.


I have to completely disagree with you Saint Theresa on Kerry's interview prowess in this case, and I was completely frustrated by this interview at the same place Star Mariner. Kerry failed to ask the real questions -- and moved on when he was actually offering to talk about the big questions. What's up with that? For example, around the 1:05 mark, Kerry asks Shane/Ruiner:

1. Do you have any Big Picture understandings of what's going on on the planet....? (something like that). Shane: Yes. My mentorship gave me a very comprehensive view....
Kerry: Ok, let's move on to something else....

2 Kerry: Have you been educated about what will happen....in the future? Shane: Yes, I've gained lots of views...I could tell you specifically what the Draconians think is going to happen, what the Blond ET race would say, what the Pleidians or Andromedans currently think, etc (Me: YES PLEASE TELL US and KERRY PLEASE DO NOT MOVE ON!). Kerry: Ok, let's move on to listener questions.....Um, Shane is there anything else you'd like to talk about that I haven't asked you already? (Me: How about asking him to answer what he offered to answer?!)

I've got 34 minutes to go in this interview, but if Kerry doesn't get her act together and ask REAL questions instead of asking Shane about his music career, I'm going to hurl my laptop.... How long has she been conducting interviews? Yet, she's supposedly got a guy sitting next to her with a "comprehensive view" on what's happening and what might happen soon enough and she doesn't bother to let him talk about it as offered? So frustrating!

Citizen No2
9th September 2015, 20:40
I am of the opinion that we have earned the right to be sceptical.


All members who have posted above have valid view's and opinion's. That we must refrain from being rude is a given.

I for one will afford Shane the right to put himself out-there and give him the courtesy of my ear until I discern otherwise.


These are interesting times. The intensity, of all things, is rising.


Regards.

Nasu
9th September 2015, 20:41
I gotta give props to Kerry Cassidy though, she really tries to get answers and pose questions that are significant. Not an easy thing with subjects such as these.

Yet missed some critical questions. At about the 1hr mark, the secret space program came up, (plus extra-dimensional/planetary travel, portals, black projects etc,) and whereas we learned Shane had been 'educated' in these matters, had a 'comprehensive view of them', I was really wanting Kerry to pointedly ask him, had he witnessed/experienced the actual reality of them first hand? That could have led to more questions, and some interesting (perhaps less generalized) information.

A good interview over all, though a little sketchy in places. Because I would imagine a lot of people tuning in to listen were already familiar with Shane's story, but Kerry seemed to be unclear on several aspects, as if she hadn't even read his blog, which I found surprising, and a little frustrating.


I have to completely disagree with you Saint Theresa on Kerry's interview prowess in this case, and I was completely frustrated by this interview at the same place Star Mariner. Kerry failed to ask the real questions -- and moved on when he was actually offering to talk about the big questions. What's up with that? For example, around the 1:05 mark, Kerry asks Shane/Ruiner:

1. Do you have any Big Picture understandings of what's going on on the planet....? (something like that). Shane: Yes. My mentorship gave me a very comprehensive view....
Kerry: Ok, let's move on to something else....

2 Kerry: Have you been educated about what will happen....in the future? Shane: Yes, I've gained lots of views...I could tell you specifically what the Draconians think is going to happen, what the Blond ET race would say, what the Pleidians or Andromedans currently think, etc (Me: YES PLEASE TELL US and KERRY PLEASE DO NOT MOVE ON!). Kerry: Ok, let's move on to listener questions.....Um, Shane is there anything else you'd like to talk about that I haven't asked you already? (Me: How about asking him to answer what he offered to answer?!)

I've got 34 minutes to go in this interview, but if Kerry doesn't get her act together and ask REAL questions instead of asking Shane about his music career, I'm going to hurl my laptop.... How long has she been conducting interviews? Yet, she's supposedly got a guy sitting next to her with a "comprehensive view" on what's happening and what might happen soon enough and she doesn't bother to let him talk about it as offered? So frustrating!

I like Kerry, but this interview really stinks, she seems unprepared, no follow up on where Shane almost goes on several occasions, I agree that all the talk about Shane's music career and viewers Q&A seemed like she was grasping for things to ask about. Whatever you can say about Kerry or Shane, I wholeheartedly agree that on this occasion her interview style and professionalism seemed to me to be somewhere between half arsed and unprepared... N

RunningDeer
9th September 2015, 20:42
There is another five hours of video posted along side Shane's interview what do my fellow Avalonians think of it?

No sorry Bill I mean posted by RunningDear ie Mr Faly's interviews no one has mentioned them...
Hi Star Tsar,

I haven't watched them. I'm adjusting to the comments to and about Shane. Thank god, I'm not an experiencer.

Shane, thank you. As always, I continue to take what resonates and leave the rest.

RunningDeer ♡

Sean
9th September 2015, 20:45
@bill ryan:

Bill. Would you be willing to interview Shane, and Shane, would you be willing to do it? That would shut down a lot of this back and forth, if we get a good interview, because what happened last night wasn't it.

Bill Ryan
9th September 2015, 20:47
[ ... a lot of stuff expressing her frustration :) ... ]


I have an interview agreed with Shane as well... so there's a good opportunity to see if Shane and I can maybe pick up where Kerry left off, let's say.

My first call would be to ask Shane what HE wants to say, how HE wants to use the opportunity (if he does!), and what HE feels is of most importance. It's always best to go into an interview assuming that the interviewee knows more than one does oneself.

Citizen No2
9th September 2015, 20:49
I have an interview agreed with Shane as well... so there's a good opportunity to see if Shane and I can maybe pick up where Kerry left off, let's say.

My first call would be to ask Shane what HE wants to say, how HE wants to use the opportunity (if he does!), and what HE feels is of most importance. It's always best to go into an interview assuming that the interviewee knows more than one does oneself.


Excellent Bill.

Many thanks.

Mike
9th September 2015, 20:50
In Shane's defense, the questions asked of him were very vague or way too general.

When interviewing someone, especially someone who isn't used to being interviewed, you have to be very specific...otherwise they'll either give you clipped, laconic answers...or they'll go on forever.

I'd really like to see Bill do the interview. I think it would turn out much better.

In Kerry's defense, she didn't get much to work with. She attempted to loosen up the environment in the beginning by talking about her cat, and when Shane didn't react at all I knew it was going to be a long day...


Note: just read back and I notice Bill is doing a Shane interview as well. Pleased to hear this. Looking forward to it Bill! (And Shane!)

3(C)+me
9th September 2015, 21:04
I still have high standards for this forum as far as views expressed and I hope we could as a group get past all of the polarizations going on, he is a liar, he is for real, he says he doesn't want to do interviews and then does, on and on even the "I had to listen and then state he is full of Sh@t".
People need to take responsibility for their behaviors.
No one put a gun to your head and said you must listen to this interview and then post about what a liar he is. In a way it is not even about Mr. Ruiner, it's our collective frustrations and burn out with past whistleblowers and the stress of daily life and the things in our own life we have not dealt with. yes, its' the lies we tell ourselves that we don't deal with like telling your wife, you think it's over, or your secret addictions that you pray doesn't get discovered or what the next big thing is or what are they going to do next.
And all this gets laid out at the feet of Mr. Ruiner.
Shane is just this weeks depository of our collective frustrations. What ever happened to listening to an interview with an open mind and not having to rush to any form of judgement?
He is just a guy talking about his experiences, that is all.
Have we not learned from our past mistakes.
I also had some frustrations about how the interview was conducted but I think If Kerry had a second go she would ask the questions I would have asked a few times. Like he went thru some abuse but it didn't seem to take does this mean he is not a multiple personality. Abuse is often done when young to split the personality and then program them for different tasks. Also he has disagreements with the parents, what are they.

Karpos
9th September 2015, 21:07
This post took me forever and may get me in hot water right off the bat, but whatever ... (multi quote mayhem ahead!)

First, I read this forum all year before joining, particularly interested in The Corey Affair, of which Shane is an interesting byproduct, in a way, or the similar side to the same coin, we'll see.

What I observed was ... weird.

First let me get to the quotes and make some comments ...



There is no color, detail or texture in the recount of the Ruiner.
The narrative is so generalized, nothing specific.
With all due respect, I'm calling bullsh!t on the ruiner.

That's not entirely true...he talks briefly about his experiences witnessing human sacrifice during rituals and explains why he has an aversion (put off finding them sexually attractive) to 'blondes'.

This to me does add colour, detail and texture, as do other elements of his interview.

I've read about Ritual Sacrifice for a long time, and never any real case of it outside of Vampires and Wanna-be Satanists killing people in cold, insane, blood. This is all started in the Satanic Ritual Sacrifice HYSTERIA started in Omaha I think, and made contagious by hypnotism, false memory syndrome, and again HYSTERIA which is shared delusion.

Going around propagating these ideas, with no proof or even evidence (yes, thousands of people go missing a year=doesn't equal abducted sacrifice victims, IMO) only adds the hysteria, and causes sick minds (vampire and fake Satanists teens n such) to really think there is some black path that leads to Satan's feet for service in some way. It's this type of stuff that makes others sick in the head. So yea, I don't believe. I didn't believe it when I heard the first ILLUMINTI Insider lady (forget her name) say it, and I don't believe since.


Strange one I can see how DNA thinks its BS , and I feel some sort of vibe coming
from him like Becky. Most of what 'little he said' could have come from reading
other research and witness disclosure. ...


You mean, Data Mining, like Corey Goode is accused of? I read Shane's blog a little bit. He once insinuated that he thinks that Corey used to be a True Believe in THIS STUFF we are discussing here and there in Alien-Conspiracy Land, but now believes it's bunk. Imagine if that's true? Can you imagine you spent years reading Wingmakers Material, Law of One, Wes Penre, only to come to the conclusion that all these people were misLED from the start, and/or misLEAD for selfish reasons, or are simply on some spectrum of madness? It's like a lifelong Theologian/Preacher waking up and realizing he's wasted his time on Scripture. These Dozens of Narratives are like the Books of the Bible, all written by different people, contradicting here and there, while often building on and off each other ...

What do you do if you are of a certain type? You might not want to waste off that 'knowledge', but become a crooked preacher.

This is not what I think is going on with Corey or especially Shane, although I think they were both misled and now mislead others. I'll get to that.

But quickly, what if it is all BUNK? If you haven't thought deeply about that question, you should be doing it now, with every narrative you ever read, including the Stichen Lite--Ruiner Blog


Hey has the Ruiner made any predictions?

If so, I predict with 100% certainty that none of them will come true.

I read on his blog that he's on the Wave, Energy Influx hitting Earth bandwagon, writing that it's somehow Universe Wide, not just this part of this one galaxy. Where is your metaphysics for this???



I gotta give props to Kerry Cassidy though, she really tries to get answers and pose questions that are significant. Not an easy thing with subjects such as these.

Yet missed some critical questions. At about the 1hr mark, the secret space program came up, (plus extra-dimensional/planetary travel, portals, black projects etc,) and whereas we learned Shane had been 'educated' in these matters, had a 'comprehensive view of them', I was really wanting Kerry to pointedly ask him, had he witnessed/experienced the actual reality of them first hand? That could have led to more questions, and some interesting (perhaps less generalized) information.

A good interview over all, though a little sketchy in places. Because I would imagine a lot of people tuning in to listen were already familiar with Shane's story, but Kerry seemed to be unclear on several aspects, as if she hadn't even read his blog, which I found surprising, and a little frustrating.

I couldn't get past 10 minutes of this interview, which is pretty far into a Kerry interview for me lately. I do appreciate some of her older work, but as I above and others are questioning... is this Whistleblower Thing even REAL? Has it ever been? Because I'm losing count of the credible, like they are dropping from my list as the years go on and we get nothing ... no evidence of anything but possible psyops, loonies, and money makers ALA David Wilcock.




I don't care how deep you are in a bloodline family..NO ONE can have the kind of experiences this man claims to have had, and describe them with that kind of colorless flippancy.

Perhaps that emotional separation from what he has experienced is part of the way he is, and that helped him survive what has overwhelmed many.

After having hundreds if not thousands of amazing experiences myself, sometimes I describe them calmly and without much emotion too. It is a side effect of having so many experiences, that what is extraordinary to one person has just become normal to another.

I don't always agree with Shane, in fact I disagree somewhat strongly with a couple things he has said(I haven't watched this interview yet). But I think he's a stand up honest person after interacting with him. I'm not sure anyone has everything right about this complex reality we live in... But I pretty much know he is not lying. Now could he be being misdirected in some areas? Different story.

I appreciate Omniverse's vouch for Shane, but under a black light. Omniverse, for all his wisdom, strikes me as the type that I think Shane is ... bored young men with a somewhat unhealthy hobby, and or, sick minds. That, and I'm not a skeptic of the psychic dimension, no matter how I'm coming off here. I just don't believe you very much Omni, after, like I did with Shane ... hearing your voice and using my intuition, I feel I've pegged you guys...

Of course I have a right to say what I just said. I'm really not trying to be disrespectful in my first post here, but this is pretty important to some people, and I just happen to get my legs here today (so please, please don't judge me by this long convoluted post).


... I did casually look at his blog and some of it was interesting but was not all that into it, I am getting tired of hearing about this good old boys club, I am almost bored by them since they just pull from the same bag of tricks.


It's becoming more obvious with every new hero that arises on certain alternative outlets. Drake, The Resistance2012 Dude, Tolec ... THESE ARE AUDIENCE CULTS for people who are looking for meaning, and looking to be a part of something special. I know, I've been a believer in this stuff for years, metaphysical discipleships and such ... but where's the beef outside of the anecdotal scripts and narratives? It's getting hard to believe words on a screen, or cookie cutter gurus on youtube videos. Maybe disinformation works after all.



bsbray.. I was quite clear as to why I was doing the interview despite having not wanted the attention. Many people have asked me to continue writing and start speaking since the blog concluded and I have agreed.

Thanks for listening, or not listening, for commenting, or not commenting, for enjoying what I have to say and for saying I am full of BS.

With love and respect,

And with respect for myself and for you, I am certain that the hard questions are the ones that need to be stressed. There have been patterns of alt community liars who waste the energy we could be using elsewhere. Yes, MY attention is energy. Others' attention is energy. Just because someone claims they are an experience r, we want to hear becaue WE have experience. I am seriously questioning the use of my energy (and ALL others) I have given to all the "informers". Is this being scooped up in a nice looshly stuffed package?



Every so often someone pops up claiming this and that, and as far as I can see all they do is divide opinion until they fade away and are replaced by the next one.

I'm avoiding them from now on as I can't see what good they possibly do irrespective of authenticity.

It's hard to avoid when that's all that's left of Alt Media, especially now that Corey Goode actually has REAL traction thanks to Salla and Wilcock, even though it won't last long. And you wanna see crazy? Did anyone notice all the channelers and weirdos on his page claiming to be in communication with Blue Avians? SHARED DELUSION, or psychically, COREY ACTUALLY CREATED THESE BEINGS IN THE ASTRAL! That's Magic, and it's colorless and not White, IMO.


Coming out as a "whistleblower" seems to have become a fad in the last few years. Just because of the nature of the whole thing, people don't expect to be able to validate what they're hearing/reading, and it becomes literally like a religion, with people believing based on nothing but faith and maybe claims of some kind of intuition which itself wouldn't stand up to critical questioning.

When every other whistleblower either contradicts everyone else in the details, or else they just keep vetting and referring back to one another's work, creating a big circular argument, the whole scheme loses that much more credibility to me. There can be totally legit whistleblowers out there that have 20 people riding their coat tails and copying information from each other, until finally anyone paying attention to all of them doesn't know where up and down are anymore when the details start diverging and the drama erupts.

All of these kinds of discussions just remind me why empirical science, logic and critical thinking used to be valued so much in western society.

^That needs to be emphasized and meditated upon by everyone in light of all the Whistleblowers doing exactly as described. Where are the fact checkers? Real journalists going out an interviewing these peoples families. Would Shane's siblings vouch for his story, or just say, "huh? My brother a what? HAHA ... he must be bored with the music stuff." ... again, no offence to you, Shane, I'm just trying to make a point. Same with your old friend, Corey-- anyone talk to his family or friends? No. They might puke, or like Corey has even said, they think HE NEEDS A 'SHRINK' (psychiatrists).



There is no color, detail or texture in the recount of the Ruiner.
The narrative is so generalized, nothing specific.
With all due respect, I'm calling bullsh!t on the ruiner.

He has to be general. Anything else is too dangerous. I've exchanged with him at length, off-record. As long as he doesn't mention specifics (names, places, etc), then that doesn't 'break the rules'.

This policy is also to be found in his blog, and (as an extra insurance policy) he stressed it was all really fiction. My personal conviction, based on what I know, is that it is totally not.

The only thing going for Shane is that Bill Ryan is now vouching for him too.
--------------

Sorry if this, my first post here, was offensive, but I just read this thread after following the drama for months because I'm bored, and it is at least entertaining in a reality TV sort of way.

Here's what I think went down. An OPINION. Corey and Shane were both very bored and also quasi-believers in this type of stuff. Beyond that, they've probably dabbled in the occult at some time or other. They find each other here on Avalon some time ago, start sharing delusions, among other things.

They both claimed they were insiders and on a payroll. They were on a PLAY ROLE, as in ROLEPLAY, trying to one up each other. At some point, it got weird, and I wouldn't doubt some sort of bet or dare was made by them as to who could make up a better story and get the limelight for a while.

It got carried away.

That David Wilcock ran with this stuff just goes to show how Alternative Media works and has been working for ages.

Bill Ryan
9th September 2015, 21:26
[... his first post, that took a long time to write :) ...]



Hey, welcome!

I will NOT take a lot of time over this (forgive me, I don't have all that much right now). A few bulletpoints, because your long post deserves a response:


Strong advice: don't throw out any babies with the bathwater. (Although you're right: in the alternative media, some parts of the bath really are pretty dirty, and at least need to be carefully filtered.)



The more specific a whistleblower is, the more reason to be cautious (often, but not always). Shane can NOT name people and places. It's a treating-the-Godfather-with-due-respect kind of thing. The insiders have very specific codes of honor. If you breach those, you're likely to get to find out.



Put yourself in Shane's shoes. Do a thought experiment (as Einstein put it), and imagine everything he has said about himself is true. What would you do, and how would you do it?



("Bill Ryan is now vouching for him too.") Yes, he is. I logged a 50 page written interview with him a few weeks ago (actually, a very long Skype chat over a couple of days), that we agreed would be off-record. It will not be aired on Gaiam TV. :) He is for real.

YoYoYo
9th September 2015, 21:26
I've heard that the 'good side is winning' regularly and that the illuminati are crumbling but still never sure. I think it will make me dull if I go for it as a belief. I always appreciate people who give information about them though so thank you Shane

Sean
9th September 2015, 21:32
That's a good post, and a valid theory as any. Bill will interview him, and I do trust that Bill is sincere, so I'll withhold further judgment uplntil that happens. Meantim\&e, I'll do what I usually do whein presented. with unverfiable info:enter the dreamstate and try to verify on my own.

I know I'm not a liar ;)

Posting from my phone. Forgive the various errors :)

Karpos
9th September 2015, 21:34
Thanks Bill! Looking forward to seeing where this all goes, hehe. ;)

Nasu
9th September 2015, 21:45
Great idea Bill and Shane, et al, for all the reasons. I for one am looking forward to it.. N

Shane
9th September 2015, 21:49
Hi guys,

Bill and I have discussed doing an interview for Avalon and I am definitely willing to do so. I'm sure we will plan something soon.

I don't mind anyone disbelieving what I say or preferring to spend energy on other things. For those who are interested in what I have to say, I will be honest. Those who feel I am a complete liar are also respected. This is the beauty of free will.. Choice.


With love and respect,

Karpos
9th September 2015, 21:54
Hi Shane. I appreciate your stance, and you don't sway.

Maybe I shouldn't bring this up, but I just checked Corey's FB page (puke) ...

Look at what Wilcock posted:


David Wilcock: Gonzales just told us that the Cabal is "very disappointed" about how little of an effect the planted disinformation and attacks against Corey have had so far. They have not had anywhere near as much power in discrediting him on a wide level as they had hoped. We were told that the attacks are going to step up and get a lot more fervent and intense, and this will predominantly be done using public figures who have a negative view of us and are therefore willing to go for the jugular. So please be aware that this is a war, and you will see it being fought through established figures who dislike this work for some reason and will give various alleged witnesses and insiders a platform to mount attacks.

I simply can't believe how juvenile and see through they are. But then again, I said a lot in my first post. I'd rather be here giving you another chance, then fawning over Corey/Wilcock/Gaiam nonsense. I might get one of the Sphere Being Mugs just for a souvenir. Might fetch a pretty penny someday, lol!

Best to you, Shane.

(sitting on the fence sipping tea, quietly, for now)

YoYoYo
9th September 2015, 21:54
Oh forgot to say, interesting that Kerry corroborated something Shane said in passing*, but from her first hand personal experience that she had not previously revealed. I guess once you reveal it, it's spent forever so thank you Kerry

* Miles Johnson something

Paul
9th September 2015, 22:10
Many of them are elderly and their offspring have not followed in the same direction as their parents.
It seems that even the elite find that their dang kids can't counted on to carry on the family business in a "proper" way ... cool!

Cidersomerset
9th September 2015, 22:20
("Bill Ryan is now vouching for him too.") Yes, he is. I logged a 50 page written interview with him a few weeks ago
(actually, a very long Skype chat over a couple of days), that we agreed would be off-record. It will not be aired on Gaiam TV.
He is for real.

That's good enough for me , as I said in my post interview post we needed more info
and Bill has given us more context and he has spoken to him face to face. The next
interview hopefully will be a little more focused as a lot of ground was covered by Kerry.
It seemed to lack direction for me , but that's not a problem just how it panned out
for some of us. Since I was quoted in a post above which is no problem , i'll post
the whole thing to put it in context and I was quite neutral about it, in case I came
over otherwise....



Strange one I can see how DNA thinks its BS , and I feel some sort of vibe coming
from him like Becky. Most of what 'little he said' could have come from reading
other research and witness disclosure. Or it could be the nature of the interview ,
that Kerry let it flow and was relatively gentle with him.

When he discusses witnessing ritual sacrifice , murder & rape that he witnessed as a
child, to other children and adults. His answer felt underwhelming as did his general
tone and attitude, coming over in his voice which seemed a bit flippant. But that could
be a defence mechanism of what he saw and experienced. Needs more info and a more
specific structured interview before I can make judgement either way.

Paul
9th September 2015, 22:28
Yet, she's supposedly got a guy sitting next to her with a "comprehensive view" on what's happening and what might happen soon enough and she doesn't bother to let him talk about it as offered? So frustrating!
It seemed to me that Kerry was more focused in this interview on figuring the technology (Google groups or whatever, in this case) and in figuring out the next question to ask ... than she was in listening to what Shane said. Perhaps she wears her "spontaneous, guerrilla news reporter" style as a badge of honor (and as an occasional excuse for the inevitable imperfections.)

On the other hand, Kerry's been delivering a wide ranging number of controversial interviews for many years now - a focus and energy level that few could attain, much less sustain. She leaves most of those more focused on polish and preparation in the dust ... thanks, Kerry! We love ya, even as we do like to quibble from the bleacher seats, now and then.

Sierra
9th September 2015, 22:33
Many of them are elderly and their offspring have not followed in the same direction as their parents.
It seems that even the elite find that their dang kids can't counted on to carry on the family business in a "proper" way ... cool!

Can't believe Dylan wrote this in 1963:

Come gather ’round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You’ll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin’
Then you better start swimmin’ or you’ll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin’

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won’t come again
And don’t speak too soon
For the wheel’s still in spin
And there’s no tellin’ who that it’s namin’
For the loser now will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin’

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don’t stand in the doorway
Don’t block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There’s a battle outside and it is ragin’
It’ll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin’

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don’t criticize
What you can’t understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin’
Please get out of the new one if you can’t lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin’

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin’
And the first one now will later be last
For the times they are a-changin’

Copyright © 1963, 1964

Paul
9th September 2015, 22:38
The only thing going for Shane is that [B]Bill Ryan is now vouching for him too.
I too vouch for Shane.

(not for Corey)

Cidersomerset
9th September 2015, 22:44
Hi guys,

Bill and I have discussed doing an interview for Avalon and I am definitely willing to do so. I'm sure we will plan something soon.

I don't mind anyone disbelieving what I say or preferring to spend energy on other things. For those who are interested in what
I have to say, I will be honest. Those who feel I am a complete liar are also respected. This is the beauty of free will.. Choice.

With love and respect,

Thanks for coming on Shane , I think we did not get the most out of your experiences in the interview,
but now Bill has given us more context , it will be nice to have a follow up , and as you are a member
and read the reviews , you will know some of the frustrations expressed. Its totally up to you of course
'free will' as you say . But the people who took that from you and many others should be exposed imo.

Though I perfectly understand that its dangerous to name people for safety purposes , which is the
perpetual dilemma for victims coming forward. Any way cheers Steve...

Paul
9th September 2015, 22:50
Can't believe Dylan wrote this in 1963:
A suggested link on the next tab I went to in my browser: Bob Dylan Entrevista Time Magazine Interview 1965 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_j0e-ApfNQ)

(Sorry - the audio is limited quality, and the subtitles are in Portuguese.)

Karezza
9th September 2015, 23:00
Interesting thread...in the interview Kerry Cassidy asks if The Ruiner had read the 'Transylvanian Series'. For some points raised in those books may collaborate his discussions. Reading through the thread was a little surprising...it makes one recall a passage from the fourth book of the Transylvanian Series - 'The Secret Parchment: Five Tibetan Initiation Techniques.'

The writer of the series, tasked with translating a Tibetan manual script/ parchment into the fourth book hopes all his readers can take something of value or understanding from his work; however his mentor Caesar (who works for the Romanian intelligence agency) doubts this.

A direct quote from fourth book on Scribid (http://www.scribd.com/doc/120899289/Radu-Cinamar-Secret-Parchment) (disjointed language structure; wonders if someone was using a poor version of Google Translator) :)


...given the responsibility that we have in the translation and commentaries that consider this part of the book to be the most difficult. After the understanding of everyone and especially after its affinities, concepts revealed in the text scrolls horizon attentive reader may open completely different perception of life and goals.

- Do not say everything, but do not leave things in the dark, advised Caesar. However, to understand the specific elements that the text needed to read those explanations to show kindness, judgment and ability not to be proud.
- You think you'll find this to many people?

- I think, in this way, especially young people will be receptive and will perceive the profound meaning of the teachings of parchment goddess.

- And I tell you that you have big surprises in this direction. Most of them are closed, are even semidocţi. Is directed only to ideas without spiritual support, confuse it with science and "facts" to them.

- How do you know this?

Caesar smiled slightly, his characteristic style.
- We have certain research programs and selection from among this age group. There are some special tests that show the true abilities. But you can surf on Internet forums, is enough to get an idea. Everyone wants to look smarter than others, everyone wants to impress with his knowledge, but when it comes to discernment or occult aspects, spiritual, most of them proves its weakness, pride or arrogance.

- Not a bit harsh? I asked timidly.

- Would you like to say something? Sure, not everyone is like this. But there is a statistic in this matter, which cannot be ignored. The social system is simply embarrassing, it năuceşte. But we now discuss what should be done, because that feeling that you want to ask me. Let's hope that the text scrolls will still affect them, showing them in a way that not everything flies eat.


Glad though of the thread turn around :)

awakeningmom
9th September 2015, 23:10
Yet, she's supposedly got a guy sitting next to her with a "comprehensive view" on what's happening and what might happen soon enough and she doesn't bother to let him talk about it as offered? So frustrating!
It seemed to me that Kerry was more focused in this interview on figuring the technology (Google groups or whatever, in this case) and in figuring out the next question to ask ... than she was in listening to what Shane said. Perhaps she wears her "spontaneous, guerrilla news reporter" style as a badge of honor (and as an occasional excuse for the inevitable imperfections.)

On the other hand, Kerry's been delivering a wide ranging number of controversial interviews for many years now - a focus and energy level that few could attain, much less sustain. She leaves most of those more focused on polish and preparation in the dust ... thanks, Kerry! We love ya, even as we do like to quibble from the bleacher seats, now and then.

Is "spontaneous guerilla news reporter" code for totally unprepared? She's been doing this long enough to know what people want to hear about, and long enough to know that she shouldn't be so rude so as to spend three to five minutes trying to figure out her technology while she ignores her guest (crickets) -- and then ask really dumb audience questions instead of following up on the bigger issues that Shane offered to speak about. I've seen Kerry speak at conferences and have listened to other interviews she's done, and yes, some of them are better organized than this one (for the most part, though she does seem to leave really important questions on the table....or she changes the subject just when the answers are getting good...). I also think it's unprofessional for an interviewer to be so unfamiliar with her subject -- Kerry admits she's barely read the Ruiner's Blog -- what kind of preparation is that for interviewing him? She could use some interviewing lessons from Terry Gross (Fresh Air) or Regina Meredith (Conscious Media Network, now on Gaiam) -- both women are always so well prepared, know their subject and their material, and are usually so good at allowing their interviewees to run with the good stuff.

Bill, any idea as to when you might conduct this Ruiner interview? And when you do, can you please ask Shane some of the following questions:

1. Your blog presents interesting slices revealing some of the structures of this world, but can you give us a big picture comprehensive overview about what's going on now, with so many changes going on behind the scenes?

2. What is the purpose of keeping roughly 7 billion people in the dark while a small group interacts with giants, ET's, wormholes, space travel, etc. Why have so many go to a dead-end job, eat, pray, love, and live under major falsehoods -- not even knowing our origins, our history, or our (supposed) potential? And why has it taken so long for us to "awaken to this whole matrix of deception"? What is the metaphysical purpose to any of this deception -- or this supposed awakening, which seems more and more unlikely given so much conflicting info?

3. You offered this to Kerry, who ignored your offer, but yes, could you please give us a Draconian, Blond ET, Pleidian, Giant, Andromedan Human, Illuminati insider, and any other perspective of what is about to happen? It would be interesting to know all perspectives if you know them.

4. Can you elaborate on what our human potential is and how we can further awaken this potential after thousands of years of brainwashing and toxic poisoning? Are there exercises, routines, meditations to practice or books to read?

5. Why do the Illuminati engage in such sadistic rituals in the first place? Is to get them to move past all fear? To realize that all is illusion? Does it give them actual power/life force? Or is it just because they are sick twisted, psychopaths working for actual demons who enjoy blood sacrifice and demand it of their followers?

6. Where does the "soul" originate from -- and if you say Source, where the heck is Source through all of this negativity and deception? Is this just another side of the same Source -- the demonic side -- attempting to kill itself? So that good and evil are illusions at some level -- but feel very real -- and very unfair -- here in the physical plane?

That's a start....wish Kerry would have asked some of these....(or waited for the answers when Shane offered to provide them).

Shannon
9th September 2015, 23:10
I gotta give props to Kerry Cassidy though, she really tries to get answers and pose questions that are significant. Not an easy thing with subjects such as these.

Yet missed some critical questions. At about the 1hr mark, the secret space program came up, (plus extra-dimensional/planetary travel, portals, black projects etc,) and whereas we learned Shane had been 'educated' in these matters, had a 'comprehensive view of them', I was really wanting Kerry to pointedly ask him, had he witnessed/experienced the actual reality of them first hand? That could have led to more questions, and some interesting (perhaps less generalized) information.

A good interview over all, though a little sketchy in places. Because I would imagine a lot of people tuning in to listen were already familiar with Shane's story, but Kerry seemed to be unclear on several aspects, as if she hadn't even read his blog, which I found surprising, and a little frustrating.


I have to completely disagree with you Saint Theresa on Kerry's interview prowess in this case, and I was completely frustrated by this interview at the same place Star Mariner. Kerry failed to ask the real questions -- and moved on when he was actually offering to talk about the big questions. What's up with that? For example, around the 1:05 mark, Kerry asks Shane/Ruiner:

1. Do you have any Big Picture understandings of what's going on on the planet....? (something like that). Shane: Yes. My mentorship gave me a very comprehensive view....
Kerry: Ok, let's move on to something else....

2 Kerry: Have you been educated about what will happen....in the future? Shane: Yes, I've gained lots of views...I could tell you specifically what the Draconians think is going to happen, what the Blond ET race would say, what the Pleidians or Andromedans currently think, etc (Me: YES PLEASE TELL US and KERRY PLEASE DO NOT MOVE ON!). Kerry: Ok, let's move on to listener questions.....Um, Shane is there anything else you'd like to talk about that I haven't asked you already? (Me: How about asking him to answer what he offered to answer?!)

I've got 34 minutes to go in this interview, but if Kerry doesn't get her act together and ask REAL questions instead of asking Shane about his music career, I'm going to hurl my laptop.... How long has she been conducting interviews? Yet, she's supposedly got a guy sitting next to her with a "comprehensive view" on what's happening and what might happen soon enough and she doesn't bother to let him talk about it as offered? So frustrating!

Totally valid points...I just see it as if I was giving the interview I would be too intrusive or the complete opposite given the content. :) I'll be looking forward to bills interview!

Also, I thank Shane for speaking out on his experience and his family. Regardless to what anyone believes or not he's got our attention. I don't think anyone is being too hard on him, calling BS, is what it is and he doesn't seem bothered ....And he is handling any feedback like a champ. So respect, Shane.

awakeningmom
9th September 2015, 23:31
I've read about Ritual Sacrifice for a long time, and never any real case of it outside of Vampires and Wanna-be Satanists killing people in cold, insane, blood. This is all started in the Satanic Ritual Sacrifice HYSTERIA started in Omaha I think, and made contagious by hypnotism, false memory syndrome, and again HYSTERIA which is shared delusion.

Going around propagating these ideas, with no proof or even evidence (yes, thousands of people go missing a year=doesn't equal abducted sacrifice victims, IMO) only adds the hysteria, and causes sick minds (vampire and fake Satanists teens n such) to really think there is some black path that leads to Satan's feet for service in some way. It's this type of stuff that makes others sick in the head. So yea, I don't believe. I didn't believe it when I heard the first ILLUMINTI Insider lady (forget her name) say it, and I don't believe since."


For me, although it's so hard to fathom that people DO these kinds of things, it seems that if you travel down the rabbit hole far enough, you cannot escape reading about these ritualized killings. David Icke brought us there, and much of his information is turning out to be true about the high-level pedophiles in the U.K. Then there are the whistleblowers/ex-MK-ultra/Monarch slaves coming forward with their horrific stories of abuse -- so many of them -- are they all lying? The Franklin Scandal was real. Not hysteria. Not false memory syndrome (used to discredit the children telling the truth, as in the McMartin Preschool case). Are there people making up stories cause they are bored or on some disinfo payroll somewhere? I have no doubt. And Miles W. Mathis suggests that all of the "satanic" stuff is a distraction -- a falsehood -- to keep us from the truth about the alphabet agency programs, which are evil enough as it is. But it seems to me that there is some truth to it -- though I'm still trying to figure out WHY it is so. I do agree that it can create copycat wanna-be's -- but if we don't talk about it, then it doesn't get exposed.

3(C)+me
9th September 2015, 23:39
Mr Ruiner,
you said Mlabs are being phased out, why? Something about the clone situation replacing the MLABS, from your perspective what was the purpose of the MLABS and how is this clone process replacing it and what are the negatives/positives of using clones via the cabal.
Can you talk about what programs are being phased out and what that is about.
Did your parents know about your double life or were they programed not to know.
Giants, anything new?
Thank you,
Mr Ruiner

Carmody
9th September 2015, 23:48
Ritual sacrifice involvement is a good a hook (ie, ego feedback loop) to keep people in line.... as anything else.

The more important part to understand is that it is a holographic 2d quantum reality matrix you exist in. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84822-Stargate-like-leap-Black-holes-could-take-us-to---another-universe------Stephen-Hawking-5-monster-black-holes-discovered&p=993005&viewfull=1#post993005) The biggest part of getting things straight in this mess is wandering down the path of knowing the passive response reporting reflection of self that is ego, that voice in the head. start with that sort of thing and never let go until it is clear that you understand it as a knowing being act of self.

In effect, in the final analysis, we are fixating on and creating pathways that exist only because the passive reporting program called the ego is being used as the mirror of quantum holographic reality, when it is in fact not. It is just the echo of a biological colored filter, a system that exists only on the surface of the hologram's quantum components when seen as a grouping.

The body is a quantitized hologram in a holographic matrix -----and we mistake it's reflection/musing and interpretations.... as the reality. Stop doing that. See it for what it is. Crash you ego, gently choke it to death or burn it out of your system, whatever way you can get it done..... just get it done. Stop walking around the face of the most fundamental problem for the 10,000th time.

Plato picks up the handgun and screams at you, like an interdimensional philosophical cop, "Put...the monkey...down!!....Step away... from ...the monkey!"


In the link, if you read the post, you might get a tickle in your mind about how interdimensionals shift into this place and then..how it can be steered and solidified by group consensus via the hind-brain of the cows that make up the quanta of the given holographic matrix.

7 billion monkey reflections of similarity in design and flow.....hold a matrix/bubble and move it around.

Thus, when you begin to gain an understanding of these things, ritual sacrifice is fundamental, as a lever, but only in context. It's not about the cattle prod, it is about it's existence and placement in the given context...nothing more.

Ultimately it is a mathematical formula and set of values applied to a system.

Shane
10th September 2015, 00:12
Mr Ruiner,
you said Mlabs are being phased out, why? Something about the clone situation replacing the MLABS, from your perspective what was the purpose of the MLABS and how is this clone process replacing it and what are the negatives/positives of using clones via the cabal.
Can you talk about what programs are being phased out and what that is about.
Did your parents know about your double life or were they programed not to know.
Giants, anything new?
Thank you,
Mr Ruiner

Hi ccme,

Just so you know I don't plan to do Q&A's here, but I will respond briefly irrespective of that :)

MILAB programs have far too many functions to state, but to sum them all up you can call them human experiments. Whether that means collecting DNA, testing or utilizing implants or something even more dark. Nasty programs all around.

Clones are replacing the need to use the general public for these tests as well as many of the programs. A good example is that Clones don't ever go public and say what they experienced and can be easily discarded since they "don't exist" anyways. Many who perform such acts would say they feel better about inflicting negative actions upon beings who don't truly have a natural soul. They assume this creates less (or no) karma as well.

Most of the programs being phased out are subdivisions of larger programs. Let's go with a "Super Solider Program". Clones have erased the need to augment humans from the public or bloodlines in order to create "Super Soldiers". So many programs associated with those practices can be shut down. An example, I don't really have a list to show.

My parents did not know until I was a teenager and began speaking out about things. There are technologies that help people "not notice" a great deal.

Nothing new there, no, sorry.

With love and respect,

Bill Ryan
10th September 2015, 00:12
.
The reality of ritual sacrifice:

http://projectavalon.net/svali.mp3

A serious warning. This is real, moving and harrowing. Svali (http://svalispeaks.com) (pseudonym), who is an ex-Illuminati trainer, in hiding, recounts in a live interview with Greg Szymanski her witnessing a child sacrifice in a room under the Vatican when she (Svali) was also a young child, forced to look on.

I have listened it to it, carefully, exactly once. (Once was enough for it to be forever etched on my mind.) If you hear this through, you will never doubt the reality again. It needs to be heard by every human being.

3(C)+me
10th September 2015, 00:18
I am sorry but I didn't expect a response here but thanks, I was asking this so that it would be addressed during the interview Bill would be doing in the future but I did not say that and for that my bad....
thanks anyway.....

Note: all questions I have asked can be put in the big pile that is on Bill's desk for the future interview. I hope it does not get tooo big.


Just so you know I don't plan to do Q&A's here, but I will respond briefly irrespective of that :)

Mike
10th September 2015, 00:21
I hardly know what's true anymore these days. I'm dizzy with confusion half the time. I tend to - for better or worse - question everything, right down to the color of my socks.

We've been, as individuals and as a community, suckered so many times I've lost count....so I tend to operate from a cynical, defensive stance. I'd love to believe and embrace this latest narrative. I'd love to! You think I like being an ornery old goat? I don't...

It's like the guy who has his heart broken again n again, and can't seem to trust love again when it comes along...

My feelings on Shane and his experiences are evolving. I don't know how I feel about all of it yet. And based on the limited info I have in front of me, I think it's the only sane way to operate. I might be willing to take a leap of faith at some point, but I'm gonna wait till that gap isn't quite so wide..if ya know what I mean.

Skepticism is good. I see some skepticism here, but I'm not seeing the attacks or antagonism others are seeing. I think Shane has much more support than doubt here.

So I've got my toe in the water at the moment. I may dip my legs in here soon....we'll see.

One thing I have been impressed with is Shane's attitude - he's been a perfect gentleman all the way thru, respectful and patient, even when he could have understandably reacted angrily. He's been consistent with this the whole time he's been here. I appreciate it. It's what separates him from whistleblowers past...

So I'll patiently wait for the interview with Bill. I really look forward to it. I reckon I won't have much to add till then...

awakeningmom
10th September 2015, 00:22
Ritual sacrifice involvement is a good a hook (ie, ego feedback loop) to keep people in line.... as anything else.

The more important part to understand is that it is a holographic 2d quantum reality matrix you exist in. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84822-Stargate-like-leap-Black-holes-could-take-us-to---another-universe------Stephen-Hawking-5-monster-black-holes-discovered&p=993005&viewfull=1#post993005) The biggest part of getting things straight in this mess is wandering down the path of knowing the passive response reporting reflection of self that is ego, that voice in the head. start with that sort of thing and never let go until it is clear that you understand it as a knowing being act of self.


In effect, in the final analysis, we are fixating on and creating pathways that exist only because the passive reporting program called the ego is being used as the mirror of quantum holographic reality, when it is in fact not. It is just the echo of a biological colored filter, a system that exists only on the surface of the hologram's quantum components when seen as a grouping.

The body is a quantitized hologram in a holographic matrix -----and we mistake it's reflection/musing and interpretations.... as the reality. Stop doing that. See it for what it is. Crash you ego, gently choke it to death or burn it out of your system, whatever way you can get it done..... just get it done. Stop walking around the face of the most fundamental problem for the 10,000th time.

Plato picks up the handgun and screams at you, like an interdimensional philosophical cop, "Put...the monkey...down!!....Step away... from ...the monkey!"


In the link, if you read the post, you might get a tickle in your mind about how interdimensionals shift into this place and then..how it can be steered and solidified by group consensus via the hind-brain of the cows that make up the quanta of the given holographic matrix.

7 billion monkey reflections of similarity in design and flow.....hold a matrix/bubble and move it around.

Thus, when you begin to gain an understanding of these things, ritual sacrifice is fundamental, as a lever, but only in context. It's not about the cattle prod, it is about it's existence and placement in the given context...nothing more.

Ultimately it is a mathematical formula and set of values applied to a system.

Carmody,
I wish I could grasp what you are trying to tell us all - but I feel like my brain cannot wrap around what you are saying most of the time (maybe all). I was never good at math/science, and I barely understand the whole holographic universe theory -- it makes some sense to me that we are vibrating atoms -- mostly space -- but after that I am just lost. How do I escape my ego? What is the reason for all this holographic non-reality? How can things seem so dismal and yet in actuality, it's just in my mind? And if we aren't real, who ARE we and what the heck are we doing here anyway, when it seems like many of us want to wake up and escape this dream -- or at least dream in a better dream. Please try to dumb it down for me -- please offer the "physics for poet's" class. (we had that class where I went to school. Didn't take it, though!) I do want to understand! :heart:

christian
10th September 2015, 00:24
I guess this is what we're up against ultimately...either no info at all, or some scrubbed, sterilized put-you-to-sleep outline of alternative history that we've all heard some version of 1000 times.

That's what you're up against if you choose to be in that place.

Ultimately, it's your choice.

Right now, I don't bother much about giants, ancient parents and space travel. I appreciate that listening to stories such as Shane's make me look at things from a new perspective. That in itself has merit. But whether the truth about these things is one or another, it hardly makes a difference to my life now.

Here's what I'm up against right now: Awakening the full capacity of my toolbox as a soul in a human container, getting involved with practicable actions to liberate myself and my community from economical and political oppression, not clinging to prophecies but instead imagining an empowering path for myself and creating it. All something that I choose to do and that I do on my own accord, although not solitary. I don't have all the information that there is to know, but I've got enough to keep on going on with this, and while I go my understanding changes.

To me, most of the task that I feel I'm here for is between the lines. Humanity will be free when the general population is empowered. When it frees itself from the grip of its own lethargy, fear and ignorance. Once that is done, any wannabe control freak will have a hard time.

Empowerment happens in the mundane everyday life. At least for me. In every little thing. Every thought, posture, action, interaction. It ripples outwards, but most importantly it matters to me. This is where my personal leverage is, this is where I make a difference, this is where I create reality.

And if it's true what Shane says, that much of the control structure is actually falling apart… then I'd be ever more motivated to seize upon the opportunity to create something that I'd like to see instead :)

Then, ultimately, I will find out the whole great truth for myself. About avians, aliens and all that jazz. First, I'll do the basics, and from a firm base I'll continue. Doesn't matter how many lifetimes it takes, the only thing that matters to me is how I proceed through these. All in good time, and in the meanwhile I enjoy the already stupendous ride.

Finishing up here, I'm wondering if part of the substantial criticism that Shane is receiving from some here might be due to the fact that he invites the audience to go out and create. At least that's what I get from him. Could it be a subconscious defense mechanism? Do you really want to go for it, be yourself, immerse into the world, create, relate? Or do you want to sit back and listen to someone else's colorful and riveting story? And another, and another…?

Mike
10th September 2015, 00:36
I guess this is what we're up against ultimately...either no info at all, or some scrubbed, sterilized put-you-to-sleep outline of alternative history that we've all heard some version of 1000 times.

That's what you're up against if you choose to be in that place.

Ultimately, it's your choice.

Right now, I don't bother much about giants, ancient parents and space travel. I appreciate that listening to stories such as Shane's make me look at things from a new perspective. That in itself has merit. But whether the truth about these things is one or another, it hardly makes a difference to my life now.

Here's what I'm up against right now: Awakening the full capacity of my toolbox as a soul in a human container, getting involved with practicable actions to liberate myself and my community from economical and political oppression, not clinging to prophecies but instead imagining an empowering path for myself and creating it. All something that I choose to do and that I do on my own accord, although not solitary. I don't have all the information that there is to know, but I've got enough to keep on going on with this, and while I go my understanding changes.

To me, most of the task that I feel I'm here for is between the lines. Humanity will be free when the general population is empowered. When it frees itself from the grip of its own lethargy, fear and ignorance. Once that is done, any wannabe control freak will have a hard time.

Empowerment happens in the mundane everyday life. At least for me. In every little thing. Every thought, posture, action, interaction. It ripples outwards, but most importantly it matters to me. This is where my personal leverage is, this is where I make a difference, this is where I create reality.

And if it's true what Shane says, that much of the control structure is actually falling apart… then I'd be ever more motivated to seize upon the opportunity to create something that I'd like to see instead :)

Then, ultimately, I will find out the whole great truth for myself. About avians, aliens and all that jazz. First, I'll do the basics, and from a firm base I'll continue. Doesn't matter how many lifetimes it takes, the only thing that matters to me is how I proceed through these. All in good time, and in the meanwhile I enjoy the already stupendous ride.

Finishing up here, I'm wondering if part of the substantial criticism that Shane is receiving from some here might be due to the fact that he invites the audience to go out and create. At least that's what I get from him. Could it be a subconscious defense mechanism? Do you really want to go for it, be yourself, immerse into the world, create, relate? Or do you want to sit back and listen to someone else's colorful and riveting story? And another, and another…?



I've always felt that a really good post should be like a punch in the face. You knocked me out with this one. Hell of a post, Chris.

Carmody
10th September 2015, 00:50
Mike:

I explore..... never trust. Ultimately.... all realities are false.

There is no firmament. Not in this 'place' or in any other I know of.

Information gathered into a self sustaining form of self awareness, is all that there is. That..and the rest of it, is subject to change.

That...and the 'fact' that right now I'm eating some really awesome cheese curds. They would be insanely good for some poutine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine). Added in is the recollection of the time it (poutine) and stomach acid was mixed in my nose and sinuses. Very messy at 3am after a night of drinking.....

Basically, it's all relative.

Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.

Robin
10th September 2015, 00:51
The Truth...ahhh, yes....quite a curious thing, ain't it?

The disinformation campaign rages ferociously on this planet, all the time. The controllers of this planet have gone to great lengths to muddle up information into a big stinking pile of raccoon feces, to the point where it is so thick, smelly, and horrid, very few even want to take the chance to wade through it and find those kernels of Truth, no matter how tasty they are. :)

They have been successful, friends. Just take a look at yourself. We call ourselves "Truthers" because we have opened up a door that the average human has not dared to open, let alone even know that it exists. But just because that door is known and may be open, does not mean that everybody takes a step through with conviction and intuition. The controllers have turned investigations into Truth such a confusing task, that nobody knows what to believe anymore. Most people simply "give up" because they are so tired of being lied to. Really, I quite understand the dilemma. But just know that your controllers are sitting in their bunkers laughing at you for your imbalanced capability of sound discernment.


"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he doesn't exist."

.................................................. .......................................The Wayfarer
.................................................. .......................................Stephen Crane

.................................................. .............................The wayfarer,
.................................................. .............................Perceiving the pathway to truth,
.................................................. .............................Was struck with astonishment.
.................................................. .............................It was thickly grown with weeds.
.................................................. ............................."Ha," he said,
.................................................. ............................."I see that none has passed here
.................................................. .............................In a long time."
.................................................. .............................Later he saw that each weed
.................................................. .............................Was a singular knife.
.................................................. ............................."Well," he mumbled at last,
.................................................. ............................."Doubtless there are other roads."

Shane is a friend of mine. Somebody I have come to greatly respect and appreciate...and trust...and love. He has quite the story to tell.

Think. Feel. Act. Do not just take this information in with logic and analytic processes. Ask yourself deeply and sincerely:

What does your heart tell you? :heart:

Robin

Daozen
10th September 2015, 01:00
I also find the negativity directed at the Ruiner kind of amusing and unwarranted, too. He is one of the most credible people to come along in a while, and lots of people see him as insincere. That tells me something. It looks like the Fake Intel Fortress is finally crumbling, and some light is seeping through. People have been led astray for years and they don't even know what the truth is any more.

I am often astounded by the quality of questions on the Ruiner's blog. In this interview, that level of discourse was not there. Like many people, I thought the Ruiner gave a good account of himself, but Kerry's questions were unprepared, misdirected, focused on the past, and voyeuristic at times. I have run out of patience with the alt media circuit, and this morning I woke up and drafted 11 questions that I shall type up now. I have no need to do an audio interview, but maybe someone else could ask them sometime between now and Christmas (hoping, of course, that Shane has time to answer them).

Typing...

Cidersomerset
10th September 2015, 01:22
I know this is a debate but I'm listening to this interview David had with
Henrick on Red Ice and posted it on the Saville thread, which may be of
interest , its about the ritualistic elites , which David has done a lot of
research in.

===============================================
David Icke - The Elite ......' Missing Children & more '....interview aprox 2012/13

geOuMatL2is

Published on 30 Aug 2015
David speaks of evil + Mooooore.
Enjoy!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50809-How-Jimmy-was-able-to-Fix-it----&p=997510#post997510

Daozen
10th September 2015, 01:26
There are currently 100 users browsing this thread. (30 members and 70 guests)

That's a very high view count.

Questions for the Ruiner.

​Damn. I have left my notepad at home, so I will have to walk my talk and remote view the page from the cybercafe.

I think BSBray has a small point. The Ruiner ended the blog and then went and did an interview with someone who has little knowledge of his material, when many of us could have done a better job. I have no need to inflict myself on anyone as I don't do audio interviews, but listening to the mp3 was like seeing my favorite band sell out to a major label. I hope Bill does a better job. Sorry, I have to be honest. A more egalitarian way of doing this would be for Bill to solicit questions, and for Shane to bounce off whichever ones he thought were useful.

I have enough trust in Shane to know he is telling the truth, and would actually like it if he spent some time asking his sources about each question.

Just an idea.

*

(NOTE: I have stuck my neck out here on some of these questions, and used some remote viewed sources. If I am wrong, so be it.)

*




Questions for The Ruiner

1. You said that Jupiter Ascending "truly shocked" you, but it was not entirely accurate. In what way was the storyline in JA "spun"?

2. A powerful remote viewer/remote experiencer that I know claims that the Titus Abrasax type character is now in charge of Jupiter, as opposed to Balem. Any thoughts?

3. Are you David Wilcock's "Daniel"? What actionable, ethical psy-enhancing tips could you pass on to readers? For example: Doing sit ups upside down is something anyone could do at home. If you had 30 minutes to improve your psy abilities, what would you do?

4. The Twins and Enki seem less powerful now, almost sullen. Have they lost any traction according to your sources?

5. Is Earth in a constant dialogue with the AI? Could you say they are "hacking into each other?" i.e. there is a complex and shifting energetic exchange with humanity in the middle?

6. What can you tell us about the situation on Mars now? Approx population? What do their major cities look like?

7. I think people need to be taught how to etheric travel themselves, instead of watching fake whistleblowers. Are you able to astral/etherically travel to off world locations? Could you give us a run down of any techniques you use or any stories you have?

8. Could you go deeper into how imagination and will create our reality? Is imagination "creating a story" and using this technique to get the hemisphere's and chakras synchronized working together? Is will expressed from the navel and throat chakras?

9. What can you tell us about the positive civilizations in the Andromeda constellation? How do they differ in demeanour, attitude or methodology from positives in Orion, for example? This question is focused on those that are interacting with Earth, now.

(More later)

If they don't get answered, they don't get answered, but this is the kind of questions readers may want to read.

0.2

Bill Ryan
10th September 2015, 01:30
I also find the negativity directed at the Ruiner kind of amusing and unwarranted, too. He is one of the most credible people to come along in a while, and lots of people see him as insincere. That tells me something.

Actually, I think that one or two people on this thread were maybe just a little tough to start off with, but I've been genuinely impressed with the quality of the posts here, in both integrity and intelligence. There have been some high quality sentiments expressed. Kudos to all.

An interesting thought experiment: get everyone who's posted on this thread in the same little conference room, and let's all have a discussion, with Shane and everyone else having turns to speak. I think it'd be a wonderful evening, and everyone who was there would emerge feeling appreciation and respect all round. If that's what the outcome is here, then Avalon's doing its job just fine.

:sun:

Daozen
10th September 2015, 01:37
I also find the negativity directed at the Ruiner kind of amusing and unwarranted, too. He is one of the most credible people to come along in a while, and lots of people see him as insincere. That tells me something.

Actually, I think that one or two people on this thread were maybe just a little tough to start off with, but I've been genuinely impressed with the quality of the posts here, in both integrity and intelligence. There have been some high quality sentiments expressed. Kudos to all.

An interesting thought experiment: get everyone who's posted on this thread in the same little conference room, and let's all have a discussion, with Shane and everyone else having turns to speak. I think it'd be a wonderful evening, and everyone who was there would emerge feeling appreciation and respect all round. If that's what the outcome is here, then Avalon's doing its job just fine.

:sun:

OK, but no flat Earthers. Otherwise it could get ugly. An alternative is the plan I posted above. I would be happy for anyone to ask questions like that. All it needs is someone to ask the question, give Shane a couple of minutes to speak, and ask intelligent follow ups if needed. I think you could do that fine Bill. I would not even need to be there. Actually, I do like Kerry's incisive interviewing style (sometimes). I just wished she had given the audience a heads up and solicited questions from the start, instead of winging it. Better luck next time.

3(C)+me
10th September 2015, 01:42
Mike:

I explore..... never trust. Ultimately.... all realities are false.



Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.

Or all realities can be true, all probalities exist. A person is at a choice point, matter is in wave form, that person chooses, it collapses, a new personal reality made manifest. Timelines still make my head spin but I just keep at it.

I go into these interviews not with, is it true or is it false but to see someone's else's reality and to decide if it can benefit my reality right now. Am I worried, in fear, am I curious, does it make me smile can I see how this whole other reality works for this or that group and why they need to engage in these realities.
For example, giants. I do think this will not help me or sleep better or have a better time with friends at lunch or enjoy this concert more. No But I want to be exposed to the concept so if I start hearing about giants elsewhere I am not like "what is that about" "that's crazy, next thing I will hear is about people on mars, yeah right" I will have some general exposure because it could come to pass that out in a few years one of my neighbors comes running down the street saying she saw some giant crossing the 101, in broad daylight carrying a big dog and I will have some exposure to this concept and will not FREAK OUT! She or he will be and I may need to step in and calm things down and also calm myself.
A general reference point.
Subject to change daily, monthy, and yearly.
I do have an interest in the big picture but I do not believe wholesale another's concept of the big picture not Joseph Farrell, not Freeman, not David Icke, they are just general templates that I want to become familiar with, I don't hang my hat on anyone of them, even Bill's, and he probably knows a lot but he has a personal filter and so does everybody else. So everybody view is going to be a little different because we are unique and that is what makes people wonderful and very frustrating.
So I give the other some room to say this is how I see things and for me to say well, that's interesting.
I am not sure about that, or I heard somebody else say something along the same lines, connecting dots and then this 101 giant, well, what did he look like and did he have red hair per chance.?
Describe him for me?
He was how tall? (Oh sh#t!)
:idea:

samildamach
10th September 2015, 02:10
I believe it's not Shane personally it's the world he comes from the respective bloodlines which cause the mistrust.this is all our journey we are so to speak in this together ,there is no them and us we are one.

Daozen
10th September 2015, 02:25
1. Do you have any Big Picture understandings of what's going on on the planet....? (something like that). Shane: Yes. My mentorship gave me a very comprehensive view....
Kerry: Ok, let's move on to something else....

2 Kerry: Have you been educated about what will happen....in the future? Shane: Yes, I've gained lots of views...I could tell you specifically what the Draconians think is going to happen, what the Blond ET race would say, what the Pleidians or Andromedans currently think, etc (Me: YES PLEASE TELL US and KERRY PLEASE DO NOT MOVE ON!). Kerry: Ok, let's move on to listener questions.....Um, Shane is there anything else you'd like to talk about that I haven't asked you already? (Me: How about asking him to answer what he offered to answer?!)

I've got 34 minutes to go in this interview, but if Kerry doesn't get her act together and ask REAL questions instead of asking Shane about his music career, I'm going to hurl my laptop.... How long has she been conducting interviews? Yet, she's supposedly got a guy sitting next to her with a "comprehensive view" on what's happening and what might happen soon enough and she doesn't bother to let him talk about it as offered? So frustrating!

Ha. Right.


My first call would be to ask Shane what HE wants to say, how HE wants to use the opportunity (if he does!), and what HE feels is of most importance. It's always best to go into an interview assuming that the interviewee knows more than one does oneself.

Very fair, but Kerry did give him an open platform a number of times towards the end, and Shane repeatedly said that he was more used to answering questions as they came up than leading from the front. Some people like to deal with interviews that way. They prefer to respond to a dynamic question environment as it's more exciting, and they feel they can be of more service.

Kerrigan
10th September 2015, 02:35
Thanks Kerry and Shane for this interview I loved it!

If I was in the chat room atm of the interview, my question would have been about the (black?) SPIDERS. Kerry said she encountered them and never told anyone! Thanks for telling us Kerry! But what are thoses? I want details!

I'd love to hear more from both Shane and Kerry about direct relationship they had with beings not considered "human".

Daozen
10th September 2015, 02:41
1. Your blog presents interesting slices revealing some of the structures of this world, but can you give us a big picture comprehensive overview about what's going on now, with so many changes going on behind the scenes?

2. What is the purpose of keeping roughly 7 billion people in the dark while a small group interacts with giants, ET's, wormholes, space travel, etc. Why have so many go to a dead-end job, eat, pray, love, and live under major falsehoods -- not even knowing our origins, our history, or our (supposed) potential? And why has it taken so long for us to "awaken to this whole matrix of deception"? What is the metaphysical purpose to any of this deception -- or this supposed awakening, which seems more and more unlikely given so much conflicting info?

3. You offered this to Kerry, who ignored your offer, but yes, could you please give us a Draconian, Blond ET, Pleidian, Giant, Andromedan Human, Illuminati insider, and any other perspective of what is about to happen? It would be interesting to know all perspectives if you know them.

4. Can you elaborate on what our human potential is and how we can further awaken this potential after thousands of years of brainwashing and toxic poisoning? Are there exercises, routines, meditations to practice or books to read?

5. Why do the Illuminati engage in such sadistic rituals in the first place? Is to get them to move past all fear? To realize that all is illusion? Does it give them actual power/life force? Or is it just because they are sick twisted, psychopaths working for actual demons who enjoy blood sacrifice and demand it of their followers?

6. Where does the "soul" originate from -- and if you say Source, where the heck is Source through all of this negativity and deception? Is this just another side of the same Source -- the demonic side -- attempting to kill itself? So that good and evil are illusions at some level -- but feel very real -- and very unfair -- here in the physical plane?

These are some great, solid questions awakeningmom.


or she changes the subject just when the answers are getting good...).

I have noticed this, it is unfortunate.

*

We are waking up from a cleverly enforced malaise.

I have read the "I have seen so many of these interviews how do we even know if it's true any more." comments from a number of people. I think that Shane could be of great service to humanity if he gives out techniques and practical knowledge that would help people unlock their own inner mysteries. He is obviously uncomfortable with being built up as a whistleblower celeb, so why not help train people? We have so many people that are almost there. I think the clarification he could provide would allow everyone to get to their own next level, so to speak.

So instead of: "I interacted with Blondes from Orion and X,Y,Z happened..." it could be 1000x more productive to say: The major benevolent hubs in Orion are Saiph, Bellatrix and Mintaka. If you wish to interact with them you can maybe use this breathing technique, and focus your energy on your third eye and heart centre. Here's how I avoid astral traps. Benevolents from Orion tend to be ..... and can look like this.

Or could he talk about how the AI interacts with us? Where are the major implant nodes? Does he have the guts to talk about something like that? Maybe he is not allowed. If he doesn't reveal information like that I can probably end up doing it myself sometime, as I have a lot to share. What communities like this need are more how to guides, and less "I did" stories. I feel this is the core of people's frustration.

More technical information, then people could gtfo and explore infinity for themselves.

Daozen
10th September 2015, 02:52
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85125-Interview-with-The-Ruiner-Kerry-Cassidy

If I was in the chat room atm of the interview, my question would have been about the (black?) SPIDERS. Kerry said she encountered them and never told anyone! Thanks for telling us Kerry! But what are thoses? I want details!


You are right that on balance, it was a good listen.

My experience is that these spiders are huge etheric Shelob types that crash into the room when you are on the verge of astral projecting. They may be related to the arachnoid mater layer of the brain, and therefore be a natural barrier to etheric projection. Maybe Robin can explain it better, as he is the real LOTR scholar here. Many meditators are attacked by them. You have to kind of push through and gain self confidence and gradually tune them out. So it is like an internal hero's journey that mirrors the outer.

There may be other aspects to the mystery that I am missing, and there might well be real giant spiders out there. I know in Inner Earth, many things are giant size. Im sure some sicko somewhere in an underground lab has actually made these things.

guayabal
10th September 2015, 02:57
I don't believe this guy. If you speak with giants you at least give them names, you have more emotion when describing this experience... this man calls them just "these things"... doesn't ring true to me at all, almost worthless.

Mike
10th September 2015, 03:08
Mike:

I explore..... never trust. Ultimately.... all realities are false.

There is no firmament. Not in this 'place' or in any other I know of.

Information gathered into a self sustaining form of self awareness, is all that there is. That..and the rest of it, is subject to change.

That...and the 'fact' that right now I'm eating some really awesome cheese curds. They would be insanely good for some poutine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine). Added in is the recollection of the time it (poutine) and stomach acid was mixed in my nose and sinuses. Very messy at 3am after a night of drinking.....

Basically, it's all relative.

Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.


I live in upstate NY. Up here we have a grocery store that has a nationwide reputation for excellence: Wegmans. I was just there an hour or so ago...and you can imagine my surprise when I found out they don't have cheese kurds. Not the real ones anyway, just those blocky imitations. I was surprised at how disappointed I was. Perhaps if I'd vomited them out of my nostrils in the recent past I could have found a reason to lessen my lament:)

To your larger point...I get it..and I appreciate it. I simply have to get more comfortable in a space of uncertainty...in a space of flux and change. I think it's the only sane way to operate in the alt media. Sometimes it's as though I'm falling...I'm falling and everything is a blur but I can't grab a single branch...not one that will support me anyway. And if I could just grab that branch I could stop and collect myself and make sense of my surroundings....but I'm always tumbling and off balance. Everything remains a blur. There's no single point of relativity from which to operate. That's been largely my experience of life in the alt media....and I have a difficult time accepting it

johnh
10th September 2015, 03:08
Well now, Shane, you have got yourself in a pickle. Good. Your friends asked and you stepped forward. Then the public wanted a rock concert and they got elevator music in this interview.

Not that you care about ratings, but you do care about making a difference. The skillful means.

We are so jaded by all the lies and deceptions by our "leaders" and our own apathy (because the beatings will continue until the morale improves) - nothing really seems to make a difference and many people could not recognize the truth anymore if it smacked them in the face, nor an honest man.

The principalities and dominions are at a weak point, a new energy begins to enfolds us. This is the time to strike - with the truth/facts/knowledge for humanity is at the threshold. It would be helpful, i.e., for us to know our true history and you know a sizable chunk of it.

We could also stand some encouragement regarding our atrophied abilities to create. It is said that an 11th level Bodhisattva can create universes out of the pores of his skin, but I have a hard time getting out of bed in the morning. So, help an old man out here :-)

Daozen
10th September 2015, 03:30
What that guy said ^^^^^^^^. Very wise johnh. You said everything I was trying to say, just with more couth and clarity. Yes, "They" are reeling, that is why I am so keen to exploit this weak point. Shane is not the only one involved, but he could help in the push to critical mass. A two hour interview with Bill, with the right questions, could push everyone over the edge.

Harley
10th September 2015, 03:32
The only thing going for Shane is that [B]Bill Ryan is now vouching for him too.
I too vouch for Shane.

(not for Corey)

As do I. And Carmody. From WAAY back!

:)

Bluegreen
10th September 2015, 04:35
I surprised myself by listening to both Mr. Ruiner's 1:41 interview and Mr. Fally's 2:41 interview right in a row and I think both of these individuals are telling me pretty much the same thing, which is to continue working on my own spiritual development and continue to practice and learn how to live in love and without fear.
Of course, they said more than that ...
Thank you all for posting.

Seeker
10th September 2015, 04:59
This reminds me a little of Charles. That was a long time ago. I never got the full story on what happened with Charles. To my knowledge, Bill has never given us the full story on what happened. I was one of those who really believed Charles at first. That might be why I am so skeptical of Shane?

Daozen
10th September 2015, 05:20
Seeker, IMO Charles and Shane are completely different but I understand how you are jaded. There is no control/expansion agenda from Shane, whereas with Charles it was obvious. I scanned Atticus' initial documents and realized within 3-5 minutes he was lying. Charles was trying to get people to manifest a timeline where TPTB were still in control, and present them as benevolent overlords of humanity. He came from a similar camp to Hidden Hand. He also lied when he said "the nuclear option is still on the table." I don't think it is. Those buried bombs are a hassle, but the collective voted no to nuclear destruction years ago. It's all about the "voting" process in the other realm.

Lionhawk
10th September 2015, 06:24
Shane,
I heard a lot of wisdom in your voice!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj6r3-sQr58


Namaste' & Nagosa

Shadowself
10th September 2015, 06:39
Okay then....Whew!

So many views from people who are suggesting BS. One comment I read here said:


You make a solid argument for keeping things general and unspecific



General and unspecific? How specific do you want it? Do you want names, photos, video? Do you want arrests?

I know I do! I want arrests I know will never happen!

Oh I get it...you want a real Show! A little Evil Karn 9!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VsifANR96s

From my own experience I KNOW I would love to give you all a great show. It involves blood....Lots of blood.

But that will never happen. Want to know why? I have family. Family I love. If I was to give you the show you all really want with all the blood and spilled guts then perhaps it would satisfy your lust for a story eh?

I'm here to tell you now, and suggest; I'm fairly certain Shane has a friend or two and a family member or two he would not want to see get hurt. So he should server it up on a silver platter to satisfy your curious needs and lust for a good story?

But no...that's not nearly enough. We want blood! We want a dead corpse to view! We want proof! Otherwise we just can't fathom that a person would be sacrificed in a ritualistic nature now would we? Or even more that it involves ET and his phone call home.

On a personal note I can verify much of what Shane says. I can even verify some of what that mp3 Bill posted said. So would I even attempt to share with you what I personally know? Not a chance after reading this thread. I love my "living" son and intend on keeping him that way...loved and living that is. Would I even attempt to share anything knowing it would be analyzed as delusion by the maddening crowd of skeptics? Not a ghost's chance!

This much I know from experience: They go after your loved ones.

Sorry folks giving you the story and proof you really want is not worth it. Not to me anyway. I've already made that mistake and lost my son in the process.

Holy cow! I thought there were rules as to how a "member" is treated here? Apparently once they do an interview they're skewered and grilled!

~

Shane,

I thought what you conveyed was enough and not vague at all. I suppose that child sacrifice or any sacrifice for that matter is beyond their comfort zone. Perhaps all those practices died out in ancient Egypt and South America...or perhaps they did not. How do you suppose they (the skeptics) justify all the missing children? Simply missing? Perhaps they'll all just turn up one day fine and dandy. Perhaps not.

Shane you handled yourself quite well considering the line of questioning in that interview. I thought you handled yourself very well in this thread as well considering. Giving them respect and dignity they perhaps were not prepared for.

So to you Shane:

Respect,
Shadowself

onawah
10th September 2015, 06:53
When I was finally able to read this thread all the way through, my initial reaction was to cringe, because Shane and Kerry are both members of this forum, and we are supposed to treat each other with respect, something which was lacking in some of the posts.
Respect is something Shane has always shown to others as far as I am aware, and so has Kerry, though she can also be tenacious at times when it comes to asking hard questions.
But both have faced challenges that deserve our appreciation, and it's always good to imagine walking a mile in someone else's shoes before criticizing.

I've read the Ruiner blog from beginning to end, including the comments, and though I understand the skepticism and frustration of a lot of the posts here because of the long and difficult struggles we've all had in our attempts at arriving at truth, I feel there is potential through Shane for some useful information to be forthcoming, and some better understanding to come about.
So we're off to a bit of a rocky start in this next chapter of interacting with Shane, but that leaves us with plenty of room for growth...

I'm grateful that Bill and Paul stepped in to vouch for Shane, and that there will be an interview conducted by Bill.
The interviews of Simon Parkes that originated here on Avalon were great, and I expect this one will be too.


If we can begin to formulate questions here for Bill's interview with Shane, I have a few that I would love to have answered. I apologize if they have been answered already in the blog--it's difficult to keep it all straight in one's head with this kind of online format, though I do try, and sometimes the answers have just been so brief that they don't make much of an impression... on my mind, at least.
Here are a few questions:

What can you tell us about a Mantid race or races?
(As I understand it, Chris Thomas, who claims to read the Akashic Record, says that he can't find them in the Records among races created by Source, and so if they exist, they must be a race that was hybridized.
Reports from some individuals about them say they are dangerous and unfriendly, while the ones that Simon Parkes says he knows are our potential allies, according to him, although he admits that they have participated in human abductions conducted by the Dracos and Greys. He says their technology is very advanced. That is really about all I "know" about them, and I suspect that's true for most of us. It would be very good if we could know more...)

Are you able to read the Akashic Record, and if so, do you think it can be tampered with (no doubt those who read it can be tampered with, but what about the Records themselves), or do you know anyone who reads them and shares their views whose information you can recommend?

You mentioned in your blog that you are a dragon soul; can you tell us what that means? Is it anything to do with the race we have come to think of as the Annunaki? What do you think the Annunaki are planning to do insofar as Earth is concerned--will they return here in numbers? (Readers of this thread who haven't read what is said about the Annunaki in the Ruiner blog might find it very interesting. See: http://theruiner777.blogspot.com/2015/07/annunaki.html)


What can you tell us about members of friendly ET races who may be concerned about us and planet Earth, and about what they might have done, or are doing, or plan to do to assist us, if anything, in getting through and over the current mess we are in, cleaning it up, etc.?
Are any of them in alliance for creating damage control re that inflicted by the Dracos, Illuminati, etc.?
Do you think that some of them are incarnating here in order to help us through the current crisis?


If so, (and it seems to me they are), it's very painful to think about what these sensitive souls (not to mention Illuminati children) may have to go through, as children, especially--do you think if such "Starseeds" exist that they will be able to be effective game changers after all the dumbing down process that Earth human children go through--fluoridation, vaccines, chemtrails, GMOs, public education, etc. etc.? If their compatriots on other worlds try to help them (and us), does that involve them karmically in a way that would be harmful to them; in other words, does it count against them under intergalactic and karmic law as unlawful interference, as the Law of One and other sources state?

I have nightmares about all the kids who are sick and autistic from all the toxins.
Do you think the incoming Wave energies will help them effectively with recovery?
In the US, especially, this is becoming a huge tragedy, and it's difficult to see light at the end of that tunnel.

What keeps you feeling hopeful?

Thanks to Shane and Bill for agreeing to do a second interview.

Sean
10th September 2015, 07:29
.
The reality of ritual sacrifice:

http://projectavalon.net/svali.mp3

A serious warning. This is real, moving and harrowing. Svali (http://svalispeaks.com) (pseudonym), who is an ex-Illuminati trainer, in hiding, recounts in a live interview with Greg Szymanski her witnessing a child sacrifice in a room under the Vatican when she (Svali) was also a young child, forced to look on.

I have listened it to it, carefully, exactly once. (Once was enough for it to be forever etched on my mind.) If you hear this through, you will never doubt the reality again. It needs to be heard by every human being.

That was the most amazing interview I've ever heard. Mind blown. I'll be reading all that Svali has written, thats for sure.

DNA
10th September 2015, 08:10
bsbray.. I was quite clear as to why I was doing the interview despite having not wanted the attention. Many people have asked me to continue writing and start speaking since the blog concluded and I have agreed. If people want to listen to what I have to say, they are welcomed to. Your offer to help make the blog private was attractive to me, but not to the people I was writing to.

For the rest of the thread, I am thankful to hear what you all have to say. Just to clarify a couple things:


I do not "hate" blondes, I did stumble in what I meant to say, though. It is sexual or romantic feeling towards blonde women that are an issue for me.

This was the first time I've ever been interviewed on this type of topic. I am very used to responding to direct questions, but not so used to putting forward stories without those questions. As example, when asked to "paint the scene" I was at a loss to know what to say and so I didn't say much. My focus was to honestly answer the questions as well as I could and yes, I could have done better in that regard also.

Thanks for listening, or not listening, for commenting, or not commenting, for enjoying what I have to say and for saying I am full of BS.

With love and respect,

I'm just glad you never took a creative writing class.
I don't think you're full of BS bro. That would mean I'm calling you a bullsh!tter or someone who is a good liar. I don't think your a bullsh!tter at all, because if you were, you could have spun a believable tale complete with details and nuance. I'm glad you are not a Bull****ter because it means your not a liar.
The tale you told should have left an imprint on your nervous system. There should have been adrenaline, elevated heart rate, a communication in your attitude that you were either happy or upset about telling your take, but there was none of that. Your story didn't just lack in artistic detail it lacked in emotional conveyance, it lacked a human response. I believe you are usually an honest, empathic person, that comes through in your voice, but empathic people are not only good at receiving messages they are good at communicating them as well, and your nonverbal communication to me said that you did not believe the story coming out of your mouth.

No disrespect to you.
You can not be an empath and devoid of emotion at the same time.

DNA
10th September 2015, 09:25
Mr Ruiner,
you said Mlabs are being phased out, why? Something about the clone situation replacing the MLABS, from your perspective what was the purpose of the MLABS and how is this clone process replacing it and what are the negatives/positives of using clones via the cabal.
Can you talk about what programs are being phased out and what that is about.
Did your parents know about your double life or were they programed not to know.
Giants, anything new?
Thank you,
Mr Ruiner

Hi ccme,

Just so you know I don't plan to do Q&A's here, but I will respond briefly irrespective of that :)

MILAB programs have far too many functions to state, but to sum them all up you can call them human experiments. Whether that means collecting DNA, testing or utilizing implants or something even more dark. Nasty programs all around.

Clones are replacing the need to use the general public for these tests as well as many of the programs. A good example is that Clones don't ever go public and say what they experienced and can be easily discarded since they "don't exist" anyways. Many who perform such acts would say they feel better about inflicting negative actions upon beings who don't truly have a natural soul. They assume this creates less (or no) karma as well.

Most of the programs being phased out are subdivisions of larger programs. Let's go with a "Super Solider Program". Clones have erased the need to augment humans from the public or bloodlines in order to create "Super Soldiers". So many programs associated with those practices can be shut down. An example, I don't really have a list to show.

My parents did not know until I was a teenager and began speaking out about things. There are technologies that help people "not notice" a great deal.

Nothing new there, no, sorry.

With love and respect,

I'm a fan of Billy Meier's work from the seventies.
In it, he states quoting the Henoch prophecies that the U.S. will perfect the use of cloned soldiers. Much misery and death will be inflicted upon the U.S. when these soul-less murder machines rebel against their makers and kill with no remorse.
Part of me has felt that the current infatuation we have with zombies in media and movies is a knowing in the collective unconscious that something like this is underway.
http://theyfly.com/prophecies/prophecies.htm

Also, Conner O'Ryan's interview with Wendelle Stevens stated something similar when Delta Force soldiers hinted Conner was a clone himself.
It's the best damn whistle blower testimony I've ever seen, south no disrespect to Mr. Ryan.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31708-S4--Area-51--Informers-Volume-One-Wendelle-Stevens-and-Bob-Dean

Gemma13
10th September 2015, 09:28
This is an interesting perspective - emotion! Do we really know all there is to know about emotion? Apart from simply experiencing it and from what we glean from avid theorists in various disciplines, e.g. psychiatry, biological repercussions, controlling triggers, etc. I believe the topic and exploration of emotion constitutes a bible in itself, but briefly and simply, mastering one's emotions in communication can be viewed twofold. Public speakers are trained in this art form as we are well aware. But from another angle, (which is being scientifically explored and determined), mastering emotion into a cohesive, neutral place of heart rhythm is not only beneficial to the individual it also fosters communication that is neutral and unbiased/non-judgmental thereby bringing a more stable and coherent energetic to communication, which of course then has the spin-off benefit of a more productive interchange.

Controlling/mastering emotion doesn't default to mean one is devoid of it. And as perhaps it could be said that empaths are extremely sensitive to emotional communications it would heed them well for their own personal wellbeing to learn emotional mastering techniques in order to be able to determine, as well as convey, authenticity.

Awakening2014
10th September 2015, 10:53
I read some members saying that they can vouch for The Ruiner from years back. Did you guys know him, before, during, or after the time he was on Project Avalon to do surveillance for TPTB? This is a completely serious question. Also, I thought he said he is 34 and got out at 26 or 27. That would have been 7 or 8 years, but he said he was assigned to do surveillance on this site during the Bill and Kerry thing. Wasn't that about 5 years ago? I have learned to question everything after years of being asleep and questioning nothing! Something to me doesn't and never has felt right about TheRuiner. That is strictly my opinion and I always reserve my right to change my opinion at any time, given more reliable information.

You must forgive me, as I am also of the unpopular opinion that Alex Jones is a shill. I bought it at first, until it just didn't hold up with further scrutiny. And in the alternative community, we need further scrutiny, with all the shills, cointelpro, and some people who just like to tell stories and be a part of a group. Yes, Alex Jones opened many eyes as to Bohemian Grove, etc, but what did that really accomplish. Information about Bohemian Grove was already out there. I just don't understand how he could have gotten in there, really. He was a public figure at that time (though admittedly not as famous, but come on) and held public conspiracy type ideals. Security and secret service must be really bad at their jobs. He exposed what others were already talking about, but he didn't get video of any person of note, so that can always leave doubt in some minds. Then, he goes around with a bullhorn saying that he speaks for all. He rants and raves in such a manner most of the time, that I think, really damages legitimate truthers. Most unawake people, see something with Alex Jones name on it and immediately think that whatever it is must be some kind of crazy theory because he believes it.

On another note, but semi related, did anyone actually know Jef Harvey? Like actually know him? I was pretty freaked out after all these scientist deaths. Something's he said threw up alarms and I have done some research after he died and can't find anything that actually makes me believe he was a real person, not just some internet alternative media personality. I can't find any information that someone with that name actually died. I also found it suspect that he just threw out in an interview that he knew somehow that he would be In The intelligence community, so he didn't have his picture taken for his senior year. That just seems to me like he would be trying to hide something.

One last thought: TPTB keep those not awake controlled, entertained, and psychologically abused by films, news media, etc. we must know that they try to do the same to the alternative community, just in different ways, most likely by "others" in the alternative community and information coming out in the alternative community.

My apologies for the thread hijack, these things have been weighing on my mind for a while. I really wanted to hear others views on this. As I stated above, I always reserve my right to change my mind, given new information. I was hesitant to bring some of this up, because one of the last people to really question AJ was banned, and I really enjoy this community. But que sera sera, right?

Bill Ryan
10th September 2015, 11:44
This reminds me a little of Charles. That was a long time ago. I never got the full story on what happened with Charles. To my knowledge, Bill has never given us the full story on what happened. I was one of those who really believed Charles at first. That might be why I am so skeptical of Shane?

Contrary to the verdict of the internet jury (which often gets things wrong!), Charles was totally for real. He tried to make a break, got taken 'back in' a few months after he had contacted me (he was in a position in which he had no choice), and thereafter — by his own admission to me when I asked him the direct question — was playing both sides. After that, let us say, the situation became very tricky. :)

:focus:

Bill Ryan
10th September 2015, 11:54
he said he was assigned to do surveillance on this site during the Bill and Kerry thing.


"Surveillance" (a charged word for many of us!) is a kind of misnomer in this context. Shane was asked to watch out for us, in a supportive way. There was nothing underhand about it.

Soon after he joined the forum, he wrote me a most courteous, straight-up PM (I have it archived: this was back in 2010) and told me directly that I was supported by those he was connected with, who were quietly watching everything we did with great interest, and that I and Kerry also had his (Shane's) strong personal support.

Shane's integrity has been absolute throughout. We still are supported, and we are still watched. I very much appreciate that, and don't mind at all that we have invisible 'white hat' friends. :) They will no doubt be reading this thread with some interest.

Citizen No2
10th September 2015, 12:53
Regarding the lack of emotion on Shane's behalf that a few members have brought up, I would like to add this.

When one has past experience of traumatic events, events that may have taken place over a long period of time, it is not unusual that when the experiencer relays these events there is a lack of emotion overall. These events are not 'news' to the experiencer, they will have learned to accept what has happened to them and live with it. For arguments sake, let's say Shane experienced a traumatic event one month ago and finds himself on camera talking about it......... No doubt, as this event is still 'fresh', that the emotion present would be all too telling, he would not have had the time to deal with it on an emotional level. This is in no way true for everyone, but has to be taken into consideration in all fairness.

I myself am on the fence, so to speak. I quite clearly understand all the views present in this thread. We, for whatever reason, all find ourselves here, in this little corner of the internet exactly because of a thread like this. It is also worth taking into consideration that we are all at different levels, for want of a better word, on our individual, and collective, journey towards truth.

Accepting without questioning is the height of ignorance, not to mention we leave ourselves open to any snake oil salesman who may come along. In my eye's, Shane has handled himself with courtesy and politeness at all times, whether you believe what he has to say or not. Let us afford him the same courtesy, but still ask the difficult questions.


Regards.

Old Wolf
10th September 2015, 13:03
Shane,

I want to thank you for your honesty, openness and generosity. I have no doubt of your intentions and am pleased to discover someone new with your strength of character. I would like to hear more. Kerry, thankyou for your time and effort.

I'd also like to suggest (to people harboring doubts) that expressing these doubts isn't constructive.

Kindly.

Realeyes
10th September 2015, 13:20
“It's something new.. I understand it's confusing.. But it's simply called: honesty.” – Shane.

Shane is a personal dear friend of mine (prior to the blog), and a gentleman in all-ways and most consistent in his honesty. He is a survivor with a big heart full of unconditional love for humanity. I have the highest respect for him.

I am one of his close friends who asked him to continue sharing his stories when The Ruiner blog was coming to an end as it clearly was helping so many other creator souls join the pieces together (referring to the unintended audience).

For those who have properly read The Ruiner Blog will see Shane is quite unique with the perspectives he has.

I very much look forward to hearing his future interview with Bill.

I would just like to make a mindful suggestion; I sense the interview’s direction is a platform to understand what Shane knows of the bigger picture from his own unique perspectives and experiences; his own stories stand on their own, imho. He is also a very spiritual person, so I hope the interview at times expands beyond just focussing on the dark aspects.

Another suggestion: For those who wish to compare Shane with ‘such and such’ persons or channellings, can you please consider doing this outside of the interview questions. Comparing a flower with an orange and a teaspoon is not always useful.

Shane has always been respectful responding to others. Of course it is everyone’s prerogative and free will to like or dislike whatever ……… yet common courtesy doesn’t cost anything.

I wish you all the best Bill in your forthcoming interview with Shane!

And a big thank you I send to Shane for changing his mind and continuing his sharing’s for another audience.

Daozen
10th September 2015, 13:29
Thanks for your post Realeyes. You brought up some good ideas. It might help if Shane and his friends no longer mentioned the "unintended audience" point, as that has been brought up by him and others more than a dozen times. I hope Bill's interview focuses on the future, and the positive aspects of learning.

Ron Mauer Sr
10th September 2015, 14:39
Bill, if you interview Shane, it could be very useful to ask what suggestions Shane may have, for individuals or groups, to best navigate what lies ahead.

There is so much discussion of doom and gloom from other sources. Potential solutions are what we need to hear about.

Using group intent and the Avalon crystal grid to help us navigate might be an interesting and useful topic.

Paul
10th September 2015, 14:46
I was hesitant to bring some of this up, because one of the last people to really question AJ was banned, and I really enjoy this community. But que sera sera, right?
Some, including myself, but not all, of the moderators of this forum question Alex Jones. I hope that's not the reason that the person you speak of was banned :).

Bill Ryan
10th September 2015, 14:53
I was hesitant to bring some of this up, because one of the last people to really question AJ was banned, and I really enjoy this community.

Never be afraid to question! That's how we all learn. :sun:

It's not WHETHER we question, but HOW we question that counts... as on this thread. As I wrote yesterday, members here have done a great job conducting themselves with intelligence, courtesy and sincerity, whatever their views. That counts for more than anything.

:focus:

Awakening2014
10th September 2015, 14:53
I'd also like to suggest (to people harboring doubts) that expressing these doubts isn't constructive.

Kindly.

I have to respectfully disagree. None of us would be here if doubts weren't constructive. That is how we became awake. We doubted the intentions of our government. We doubted what we were being told was truthful. That's what I love about this community. None of us have all the answers, so it is so nice to be able have discussions and bounce ideas off peers. I apologize if anyone was offended at my post or perceived disrespect. I just want to emphasize the importance of questioning and investigating. It may not be popular, but neither is the alternative community.

Sean
10th September 2015, 16:37
Shane,

I want to thank you for your honesty, openness and generosity. I have no doubt of your intentions and am pleased to discover someone new with your strength of character. I would like to hear more. Kerry, thankyou for your time and effort.

I'd also like to suggest (to people harboring doubts) that expressing these doubts isn't constructive.

Kindly.


I couldn't disagree more.

We're not lemmings here. If Shane, or anyone, comes forward with such information, thinking people not only have a right, but a responsibility to question it, especially when it was presented in such a manner.

I contrast Shane's interview with Svali's interview posted by Bill in this thread. Svali seems personally affected by what she's witnessed, and gives much detail. She also seems quite sincere. Now..Shane isn't Svali..but they're speaking about the same core subject. I heard in Svali what I was looking for, but didn't get, with Shane. So, it makes sense for me and for others to be skeptical.

I said I'd withhold judgment until I get a listen to Bill's interview with Shane, and I will. In retrospect, much of what I had a problem with could be due to Kerry's questioning style and(frankly) lack of preparedness. So, I'll wait.

But there's a reason why I walked away from Svali's interview with my world paradigm completely changed, and why I walked away from Shane's interview wanting to post what I posted earlier in the thread.

I've said many times, the following: "the smartest people in any room I've ever been in, were the ones who listened more than they spoke".

I'll follow my own advice on this, right now.

Edit: a link to an archive of Svali's writings..
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_illuminati_svali01a.htm

Delight
10th September 2015, 16:47
I'd also like to suggest (to people harboring doubts) that expressing these doubts isn't constructive.

Kindly.

I have to respectfully disagree. None of us would be here if doubts weren't constructive. That is how we became awake. We doubted the intentions of our government. We doubted what we were being told was truthful. That's what I love about this community. None of us have all the answers, so it is so nice to be able have discussions and bounce ideas off peers. I apologize if anyone was offended at my post or perceived disrespect. I just want to emphasize the importance of questioning and investigating. It may not be popular, but neither is the alternative community.

This is a forum, about words, pictures, ideas and So, I do question based on my interest in ideas. It is not about doubt exactly but compare/contrast with other information, with my inner feeling and with my experience.

I appreciate that Bill Ryan supported the how of questioning being the point in the thread and at PA. We know from the C.G affair that sometimes skepticism is fully warranted and might be very wise for the one refusing to be taken on board a train of nonsense.

Unlike some, I have no personal relationship with the Ruiner writer, Shane. So personally I have no loyalty one way or another. I feel appreciative to him but also believe I was in an equal exchange to him because IMO he gets something out of writing, something out of his connections and it is energy that he receives that repays his own energy.

He says he is not concerned about an audience and on that point, I am curious as to why he keeps saying that? That seems incongruous. As energy is expressed in form we have experience of relationship. This is the main issue of the audience (perceiver of art) and the performer(artist), the citizen in the community and the community itself. Without relationship, what is observed?

IMO this is because ALL there is is energy. It translates into form via our own creative building. Energy given is returned. The oscillation builds form and structure. The hologram is created by the beams intersecting.This seems TRUE to me. THAT is what I am concerned about...what are we collectively building because this (though it be illusion) has purpose.

The thread here diverged from the particular interview because the quality of the interview invited the response. This opened up to being about discernment, communication and somewhat deeper IMO about conversion and deconversion to ideas based on belief in "loyalty" to my friend and "our community".

IMO, I think there may be at this time, evidence of war concerning paradigms and ideas in my reality. Some are invested in "If you are not with us you're against us". The following is from the US Government and I broadened the context in my reading it to include the alternative community.

WARS OF IDEAS AND THE WAR OF IDEAS
Antulio J. Echevarria II
June 2008 (http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB866.pdf)

I noticed that various members were expressing concern that some (probably me also) caused them cringing sensations because we were (not sure what...impolitic in the community?) Shane and Kerry as members deserve support is the gist I see?

But it is not just THIS community.
As an example if we were in a Republican or Democrat "community"?
What if we were in a business "community"?

There has not been in the past much room for those who question the prevailing community bias.
So IMO, we are "here' at the 21st century to look at our own blocks to the discovery of new information.

Should we perhaps begin learning how to challenge one another's mental landscape without it seeming like a threat? In the fundamentlaism of religious community, one cannot be in it without being a "convert" with particular agreements to behavior conforming. The doubts people have cause trouble. Doubters must leave. So the doubters keep drifting and then "finally" in the old paradigm settle in to a system and stop doubting because being adrift is very uncomfortable and friends are not to be found apparently unless with others equally dubious (hehe).

Here we see "The Leavers: Young Doubters Exit the Church
More than in previous generations, 20- and 30- somethings are abandoning the faith. Why?" (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/november/27.40.html)


Another unsettling pattern emerged during my interviews. Almost to a person, the leavers with whom I spoke recalled that, before leaving the faith, they were regularly shut down when they expressed doubts. Some were ridiculed in front of peers for asking "insolent questions." Others reported receiving trite answers to vexing questions and being scolded for not accepting them. One was slapped across the face, literally.

At the 2008 American Sociological Association meeting, scholars from the University of Connecticut and Oregon State University reported that "the most frequently mentioned role of Christians in de-conversion was in amplifying existing doubt." De-converts reported "sharing their burgeoning doubts with a Christian friend or family member only to receive trite, unhelpful answers."

One thing that people love about the fundamentalist church experience is the way people look out for one another. The good ole boys definitely take up for one another.

Is PA an alternative, conspiratual, anti-establishment, con-illuminati faith?
Is the "good ole boy" networking impetus just changing style, location and membership?

IMO, there is actually good evidence to me that THIS is what PA is learning about....a new paradigm of how to be in a community that knows that using the full capacity to reason and questioning MUST coexist with being able to be in relationship for us to expand as humanity.

Awakening2014
10th September 2015, 17:28
I'd also like to suggest (to people harboring doubts) that expressing these doubts isn't constructive.

Kindly.

I have to respectfully disagree. None of us would be here if doubts weren't constructive. That is how we became awake. We doubted the intentions of our government. We doubted what we were being told was truthful. That's what I love about this community. None of us have all the answers, so it is so nice to be able have discussions and bounce ideas off peers. I apologize if anyone was offended at my post or perceived disrespect. I just want to emphasize the importance of questioning and investigating. It may not be popular, but neither is the alternative community.

This is a forum, about words, pictures, ideas and So, I do question based on my interest in ideas. It is not about doubt exactly but compare/contrast with other information, with my inner feeling and with my experience.

I appreciate that Bill Ryan supported the how of questioning being the point in the thread and at PA. We know from the C.G affair that sometimes skepticism is fully warranted and might be very wise for the one refusing to be taken on board a train of nonsense.

Unlike some, I have no personal relationship with the Ruiner writer, Shane. So personally I have no loyalty one way or another. I feel appreciative to him but also believe I was in an equal exchange to him because IMO he gets something out of writing, something out of his connections and it is energy that he receives that repays his own energy.

He says he is not concerned about an audience and on that point, I am curious as to why he keeps saying that? That seems incongruous. As energy is expressed in form we have experience of relationship. This is the main issue of the audience (perceiver of art) and the performer(artist), the citizen in the community and the community itself. Without relationship, what is observed?

IMO this is because ALL there is is energy. It translates into form via our own creative building. Energy given is returned. The oscillation builds form and structure. The hologram is created by the beams intersecting.This seems TRUE to me. THAT is what I am concerned about...what are we collectively building because this (though it be illusion) has purpose.

The thread here diverged from the particular interview because the quality of the interview invited the response. This opened up to being about discernment, communication and somewhat deeper IMO about conversion and deconversion to ideas based on belief in "loyalty" to my friend and "our community".

IMO, I think there may be at this time, evidence of war concerning paradigms and ideas in my reality. Some are invested in "If you are not with us you're against us". The following is from the US Government and I broadened the context in my reading it to include the alternative community.

WARS OF IDEAS AND THE WAR OF IDEAS
Antulio J. Echevarria II
June 2008 (http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB866.pdf)

I noticed that various members were expressing concern that some (probably me also) caused them cringing sensations because we were (not sure what...impolitic in the community?) Shane and Kerry as members deserve support is the gist I see?

But it is not just THIS community.
As an example if we were in a Republican or Democrat "community"?
What if we were in a business "community"?

There has not been in the past much room for those who question the prevailing community bias.
So IMO, we are "here' at the 21st century to look at our own blocks to the discovery of new information.

Should we perhaps begin learning how to challenge one another's mental landscape without it seeming like a threat? In the fundamentlaism of religious community, one cannot be in it without being a "convert" with particular agreements to behavior conforming. The doubts people have cause trouble. Doubters must leave. So the doubters keep drifting and then "finally" in the old paradigm settle in to a system and stop doubting because being adrift is very uncomfortable and friends are not to be found apparently unless with others equally dubious (hehe).

Here we see "The Leavers: Young Doubters Exit the Church
More than in previous generations, 20- and 30- somethings are abandoning the faith. Why?" (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/november/27.40.html)


Another unsettling pattern emerged during my interviews. Almost to a person, the leavers with whom I spoke recalled that, before leaving the faith, they were regularly shut down when they expressed doubts. Some were ridiculed in front of peers for asking "insolent questions." Others reported receiving trite answers to vexing questions and being scolded for not accepting them. One was slapped across the face, literally.

At the 2008 American Sociological Association meeting, scholars from the University of Connecticut and Oregon State University reported that "the most frequently mentioned role of Christians in de-conversion was in amplifying existing doubt." De-converts reported "sharing their burgeoning doubts with a Christian friend or family member only to receive trite, unhelpful answers."

One thing that people love about the fundamentalist church experience is the way people look out for one another. The good ole boys definitely take up for one another.

Is PA an alternative, conspiratual, anti-establishment, con-illuminati faith?
Is the "good ole boy" networking impetus just changing style, location and membership?

IMO, there is actually good evidence to me that THIS is what PA is learning about....a new paradigm of how to be in a community that knows that using the full capacity to reason and questioning MUST coexist with being able to be in relationship for us to expand as humanity.

Wonderfully stated👏🏼 I couldn't agree more.

Old Wolf
10th September 2015, 17:37
I couldn't disagree more.


No problem.

My comment wasn't a personal attack, please don't take it personally.

I don't want to convince you of my opinion nor do I want you to try to convince me of yours. I'm happy to use my own discernment to decide for myself, as you have decided how you're going to decide for yourself. I think it's great, everyone should decide for themselves without manipulation or fear.

Kindly

Sean
10th September 2015, 17:53
I couldn't disagree more.


No problem.

My comment wasn't a personal attack, please don't take it personally.

I don't want to convince you of my opinion nor do I want you to try to convince me of yours. I'm happy to use my own discernment to decide for myself, as you have decided how you're going to decide for yourself. I think it's great, everyone should decide for themselves without manipulation or fear.

Kindly

I didn't take ir personally. Just stating my opinion as one of the "doubters".

WhiteLove
10th September 2015, 18:10
I just watched the "Ruiner" interview, I did not find this trustworthy, there was too little excitement, passion and focus coming from "The Ruiner" to be authentic. Obviously if you have gone through something like this, your authenticity is shining through like crazy, you are pointing out stuff you know very few know and you have deciphered the implications and you point out the insights that have resulted in. More importantly you point out what you now know is false and you put that into context so that your message is sent with a clear and positive intent behind it. You also tell stuff you are not asked about and you have a more active role in the interview because the message is critical. In other words, it should be quite obvious the message is to "enlighten" and in this case it is not.

Here is an example of authenticity to put it into contrast:
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Kristin
10th September 2015, 18:18
Well, I for one am looking forward to the new interview. One point that was brought up was Kerry's interviewing style, I often wished to hear her ask more specific questions during her time with Shane. However, I found that the interview was a great introduction and showed a nice contrast at times even with Shane expressing his unique brand of humor. Looking forward to hearing more to ponder.

The blog is unique and covers many subjects. One of the things that I appreciated in the interview was that he was not afraid to suggest and even openly state that he could be wrong about a few things and also that it is important for people to have the freedom to believe what they want to believe with a caution with respect to discernment. I'm glad to see that is well and alive on Avalon and supported.

We have three differing formats of expression here to ponder: A written blog, an interview, and an internet forum. All three are unique in the way we can interact with the subjects that are presented for us and each have their blind spots that are easy to fall into. Overall, I'm proud of how all three of these formats have been presented and are an open topic for discussion.

From the Heart,
Kristin

Calz
10th September 2015, 18:20
Interesting thread.

I have not posted in this one cuz ... well ... I haven't had time to listen to the interview yet (and keeping up with this thread hasn't made it any easier :) ).

I will give you a very short history then cross post something I posted earlier on the Ruiner thread.

People are talking this and that about BS, lies, trust, proof, motives, lack of emotion and so on.

... all good in airing your critical thoughts while keeping it contained in a respectful context.


I am not one who goes way back with Shane.


Started following the blog "topic" prior to it coming here ... found it interesting ... in time found it even more so.


How can someone trust anyone coming out on the net these days bringing up topics that are totally off the chart???


No ... you cannot.


What happened with me is that a funny thing happened ... more and more, then even more people that I had come to trust over time were coming out in support of this guy ... so I paid ever closer attention.

One last thing before linking what I posted in another thread ... I have learned (painfully) to *not* trust *anyone* completely ... but through personal communication, mutual friends and what resonates on a personal basis ... I have found it quite compelling to pay very close attention to what he is saying.

To those with so much doubt (justifiable or not) ... have you even read his blog directly or what has been posted here before??? Just curious.

Start from the beginning:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81805-The-Blog-of-The-Ruiner-Inside-the-Illuminati-Mind




Shane,

You have changed my life for the better.

So many years of frustrated searches for answers met with seemingly never endless levels of lies.

You have made sense to me ... you feel "real" despite plunging into levels of the rabbit hole many of us didn't even know existed.

You offer "hope" ... hope to a world that looks at the 3D illusion and feels little.

You have laid out the breadcrumbs that humanity itself must follow ... no heroes ... no saviours.

What a blessing to have crossed your path.

Thank you!


Cal

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81805-The-Blog-of-The-Ruiner-Inside-the-Illuminati-Mind&p=988871&viewfull=1#post988871

Awakening2014
10th September 2015, 18:43
I read TheRuiner blog AND all of the comments! Lol! I even checked daily for updates until he finally closed up shop. I was disbelieving at first, then after so many members vouched for him, I figured he must be the real deal. I started to ignore or move past things that didn't seem quite right or plausible. Probably because I REALLY wanted it to be true. It can be difficult navigating this corrupt world. At every turn, it seems there are lies and manipulation. But for what true reason and to what end? I wanted it to be real because I wanted to know the truth, to have some understanding of the world. Shane's story did that for me for a while. Then I realized what I was actually doing and to me the story doesn't pass the smell test. This is no disrespect to those who do believe or to Shane. I think we all need to find our own truths on our own journeys. There are so many groups vying for our energy and time. Trying to create separation among groups. Constant conflict. Every one pick a side! That is how they dominate us. We should all be able to speak our minds and respect others right to speak theirs. They don't need to always align with one another, but we do need to stand with one another. We cannot let them win.

Calz
10th September 2015, 19:12
Cannot speak for others ... but I expect what Shane is suggesting is we "pick" Gaia.

That makes sense to me.

Look at the divide and conquer memes going on worldwide.

Pick a side??? ... of what ... several thousand???


Shane has been consistent in his message that everyone (Progenitors, Parents ... all) have Gaia first and foremost. The Wave is for "Her".


In terms of choices we as humanity have ... that sure seems like wise advice to me ...

Awakening2014
10th September 2015, 19:20
Pick a side??? ... of what ... several thousand???
...

My apologies. My sentiment was not very clear. I wasn't telling people to pick a side. I meant that is what tptb are constantly trying to get us to do. Race, gender, sexuality, you name it. It all just works to keep everyone at odds and distracted. My intention was unity in my statement above. I see that it could have been written more clearly:)

Realeyes
10th September 2015, 19:50
Cannot speak for others ... but I expect what Shane is suggesting is we "pick" Gaia.

That makes sense to me.

Look at the divide and conquer memes going on worldwide.

Pick a side??? ... of what ... several thousand???


Shane has been consistent in his message that everyone (Progenitors, Parents ... all) have Gaia first and foremost. The Wave is for "Her".


In terms of choices we as humanity have ... that sure seems like wise advice to me ...

I would just like to add (from my perspective) following on from what Calz has rightly said......

It is about each one of us deciding to reconnect to our own soul knowingness, re-remembering who we truly BE/IS - beyond this temporary body vehicle. It is through this deeper spiritual reconnection of our own inner soul knowingness where we ‘can choose’ to engage in a deeper soul reunion with 'Her', learning some of her long wisdoms of Creation.

This is not about "'Earth worship." We always have choices, one of which is engaging with the planet's own soul nature and wisdoms who provided the shores for our feet to walk upon many times...... In such times as these, it is a good idea.

We are and All-ways will be free spirits to venture wherever our imagination and will is.

Right now I am here on Earth, at a Time that is bigger than just my little bubble; I love 'Her' as do so many others. I will dance with 'Her' in whichever way is needed to assist in this Change for the betterment of all.

Shane
10th September 2015, 20:04
I meant that is what tptb are constantly trying to get us to do. Race, gender, sexuality, you name it. It all just works to keep everyone at odds and distracted. My intention was unity in my statement above.


You're very right and my intention is the same.

Our differences exist, I acknowledge that fully. Yet there is always common ground. That is where we should stand, together and work, together, to move forward.. Hopefully together. So thank you for this!

With love and respect,



Also..

Bill: Thank you for clarifying my reason for joining the forum.


Regarding the comments on my emotional response:

Some say it proves I'm lying, others say it proves I am telling the truth. Interesting to compare these responses while knowing the truth within myself. Controlling myself (thoughts and feelings) is something I spend a great deal of energy and time on. If I did not react emotionally to this discussion, I am actually proud of that. So thank you for pointing this out for me.

I honestly do not want your energy (ask some people who tell me they are going to "send" me energy, how I respond to that) and I'm not working for anyone. No one is here (in regards to my blog or writing/speaking) to take your energy deliberately. Although I cannot speak for anyone who interviews me and what their agendas may be in that regard - I highly doubt this is Kerry's intention either.

I can generate enough for myself that I can literally go days without sleeping or eating. No not because of the blog or this interview lol

YOU are responsible for how you direct your energy. I cannot accept responsibility for what you do with your energy, sorry.

WhiteLove
10th September 2015, 20:25
Some say it proves I'm lying, others say it proves I am telling the truth. Interesting to compare these responses while knowing the truth within myself. Controlling myself (thoughts and feelings) is something I spend a great deal of energy and time on. If I did not react emotionally to this discussion, I am actually proud of that. So thank you for pointing this out for me.


Hi Shane! You and Corey Goode have one thing in common: You make wild claims pertaining to this reality and have absolutely no proof to back it up. I don't say this to attack you, I say it as a reminder to both you and everyone else, it's a highly important fact in your story - and in combination with you being anonymous it all works against you. Now that does not have to mean you lie, it just means you have a mountain to climb and what's necessary to reach to the top is pending at this point.

Shannon
10th September 2015, 20:28
I meant that is what tptb are constantly trying to get us to do. Race, gender, sexuality, you name it. It all just works to keep everyone at odds and distracted. My intention was unity in my statement above.


You're very right and my intention is the same.

Our differences exist, I acknowledge that fully. Yet there is always common ground. That is where we should stand, together and work, together, to move forward.. Hopefully together. So thank you for this!

With love and respect,



Also..

Bill: Thank you for clarifying my reason for joining the forum.


Regarding the comments on my emotional response:

Some say it proves I'm lying, others say it proves I am telling the truth. Interesting to compare these responses while knowing the truth within myself. Controlling myself (thoughts and feelings) is something I spend a great deal of energy and time on. If I did not react emotionally to this discussion, I am actually proud of that. So thank you for pointing this out for me.

I honestly do not want your energy (ask some people who tell me they are going to "send" me energy, how I respond to that) and I'm not working for anyone. No one is here (in regards to my blog or writing/speaking) to take your energy deliberately. Although I cannot speak for anyone who interviews me and what their agendas may be in that regard - I highly doubt this is Kerry's intention either.

I can generate enough for myself that I can literally go days without sleeping or eating. No not because of the blog or this interview lol

YOU are responsible for how you direct your energy. I cannot accept responsibility for what you do with your energy, sorry.

No more energy for you! Signed, The Energy Nazi


I keed, I keed.

Hey man, you don't know me and I don't know you, besides from what you've put out before us...but from reading this thread I can see you have a great deal of support and people call you a friend, say you are genuine, and are honest. That goes a long way for me. I did not say, 'I don't believe you' to be demeaning or negative in any way. I think most of the people who feel the same aren't intending to make it personal. It's just the nature of being fooled so many times before.

You're ability to remain cool calm and collective in the face of such scrutiny (which I think is mostly respectable and polite), is commendable, and I look forward for your interview with mr Ryan.

Shane
10th September 2015, 20:39
Hi Shane! You and Corey Goode have one thing in common: You make wild claims pertaining to this reality and have absolutely no proof to back it up. I don't say this to attack you, I say it as a reminder to both you and everyone else, it's a highly important fact in your story - and in combination with you being anonymous it all works against you. Now that does not have to mean you lie, it just means you have a mountain to climb and what's necessary to reach to the top is pending at this point.

Thank you WhiteLove (like that name btw) I am well aware of that. My own intention was not to bring this information to the public, as is detailed in my blog. Regardless, I know it cannot be verified, which is exactly why I write "fiction". :)

Valley
10th September 2015, 22:51
I've been sitting back, observing this somewhat heated, but mainly respectable discussion... and thinking to myself, 'What is being accomplished here?' Well, I'm seeing several folks taking a side, sometimes very strongly, as we all weigh the possibilities... and yet there is no definitive evidence as yet to back up the authenticity of 'The Ruiner' and this story, that I'm aware of. To me this whole story is very 'spotty', with no clear overall direction... other than maybe to misdirect, confuse, or divide folks even further. The most effective 'tool' of the 'cabal' for control over the masses has always been to divide and conquer... this is what we need to guard against here and elsewhere as we continue to uncover the wrappings of lies which have been shielding the truth from us for so long.

I see no reason to believe any of this story, or even pay much attention to it right now... but this may change... we shall see. Right now, it doesn't sound believable at all to me... the way it is presented.

Everyone should feel free to share their thoughts/feelings without fear of being attacked... once folks start attacking each other over their views with this 'story', then I know something has gone amiss. Some aspects of this story could be accurate, but to assume it is all 100% accurate and attack others for questioning is a big mistake, in my view. It could all be one big setup/confusion campaign... I don't know right now... but it does seem so at this time. The 'Ruiner' may not even be aware of his role. For the time being, I'm only slightly interested in this story. I will be watching from the sidelines.

Love & Respect... (I do like that part : )

PS... Truth can be verified... it is fiction that cannot be.

onawah
10th September 2015, 23:44
I see all the questioning and research we do here as a process.
Because of the very nature of whistleblower information and the kind of restrictions that are placed on those who reveal it, it's never going to be easy for us to straightforwardly get to a specific goal or truth.
I think we have to accept that, or we might as well not engage in it at all.
Personally, I think it can be a growth process, if approached in the right way, with no particular expectations, but a willingness to explore the possibilities and to use it as a growth process.
My mentor once said that there is nothing more dangerous than spiritual naivety, and Trungpa Rinpoche used to say that disillusionment is fertile ground for growth.

I would like to say that though my questions for Shane have often been about information I have heard from other sources, it seems to me that should be OK if it seems likely he might know something that others have left out or didn't know, or if he simply knows that it's all BS.
And as long as I am not asking him to comment on that other source as a person, but simply on the information, that should be OK too.
Those questions may not be the most popular or comfortable, but in my view, with so many people endlessly chasing their own tails due to false information meant to distract, it's helpful to have as much input as possible which may help to open others' eyes to what has been the cause of so much wasted time and energy.

On the subject of Shane's style of self-expression, although there is a relatively new field of study which purports to tell us by analyzing body language, etc. when someone is lying or what they are feeling, etc, and no doubt that is valid up to a point, based on "norms".
But, because we are all unique individuals with unique histories, I don't think it's possible to know what is really going on inside someone else simply by observing them. Appearances may be deceiving.
And, although we actually still know very little about Shane's life so far, we can safely presume that it has not been normal in ANY sense of the word.
So I don't think we can expect that he is going to behave in a way that is typified as "normal".
I believe him when he says that he never sought the public eye, but he has agreed to take the stage because he has been asked to do so, and thinks he can contribute, by the very way that he behaves, which looks like he is someone who really prefers not to be in the spotlight.
And for that reason alone, I am grateful that he has agreed to go against the grain of his own personal preferences.
I hope he won't have to continue justifying that; surely there are better subjects for us to discuss...

I like the theme of choosing Gaia that we've been seeing in messages from Shane, Harald Kautz-Vella, Cara St. Louis, Lily Earthling and others very much.
What they are espousing is something that I have always believed, from my hippie days as a commune-dwelling Zen Buddhist to now, that there is nothing more vital to me than my connection to Mother Nature and through her, to Source.
Any information that we can share that helps us to do that, and that helps us to build more cooperative and sustainable community, is more valuable than anything I can think of.
A big part of the distracting tactics all along has been to make us dwell overmuch on all the things that are being done to us.
I think we need to know more about what we can do, and how what we do will help us overcome what is being done to us.
This seems like a big step forward to me.

Gemma13
11th September 2015, 01:16
PS... Truth can be verified... it is fiction that cannot be.

Define Truth??? Surely many of us who have been travelling the rabbit hole labyrinth for some time have come to realize that "truth" is not definitive, it is ever changing. Which raises the idea that our Source is not definitive, has never been definitive, and will never be. So to claim one has the Truth would imply our Source is definitive. And if our Source is not definitive the search stops now.

The exercise of defining belongs [in part] to mathematics and the idea that everything belongs to a set of definable codes. This to me, as cosmically grand as the demonstrable codes are, has always been limiting . . . simply because even though I breathe and exist surrounded by workable, functioning, extraordinary code, there is [something] I am connected to that I know is not coded. And every time I try to code the damn thing, it shifts, doesn't disappear, just shifts. It is because of this that I now veer away from the idea of Truth and Proof. Fiction {ART} is a code breaker offering a kaleidoscope of opportunity and inspiration and so to me is a far better fluid medium of communication . . . for the thought of being locked into Coded Truth [again] speaks to me of an INTELLIGENCE that wants to contain and control . . . and this repulses me.

Person 1: "So what is truth?"
Person 2: "There is no truth!"
Person 1: "Bullcrap, truth can be proven so there has to be truth!"
Person 2: "Truth can be proven only within its own set of code. So, No, for me truth is the Illusion."
Person 1: "All well and good with the philosophizing but it has no practical application."
Person 2: "Only because we are living in a reality heavily dominated by a Code of Truth and this code will use cruel brutality to enforce, sustain, and perpetuate itself."
Person 1: "So how should I live without truth then?"
Person 2: "I don't know. I only know how I live without it by paying attention to all the codes that inform and influence me and then practicing to make my choices from the unknown."

Daozen
11th September 2015, 01:54
Bill, if you interview Shane, it could be very useful to ask what suggestions Shane may have, for individuals or groups, to best navigate what lies ahead.

There is so much discussion of doom and gloom from other sources. Potential solutions are what we need to hear about.

Using group intent and the Avalon crystal grid to help us navigate might be an interesting and useful topic.

This is the key part of the testimonial for me, and why I ask Shane questions. How to navigate this Autumn and beyond. A key part of this "navigation" is remembering that we are co-creating this timeline as we go along.

Ron Mauer Sr
11th September 2015, 02:01
Bill, if you interview Shane, it could be very useful to ask what suggestions Shane may have, for individuals or groups, to best navigate what lies ahead.

There is so much discussion of doom and gloom from other sources. Potential solutions are what we need to hear about.

Using group intent and the Avalon crystal grid to help us navigate might be an interesting and useful topic.

This is the key part of the testimonial for me, and why I ask Shane questions. How to navigate this Autumn and beyond. A key part of this "navigation" is remembering that we are co-creating this timeline as we go along.

Probably just as important as how to best navigate whatever is ahead, is to understand what we *should not* be doing that may throw us off course.

It would be nice to have a short list of the most important items that we could brainstorm about using our intuitive and rational resources.

Daozen
11th September 2015, 02:09
The discussion has become a little circular and repetitive. It might help to open a thread called "Questions for the Ruiner". Mods could keep it clean. This thread can be a freeform discussion. Or questions could go in the other Ruiner thread. Shane could read questions at his leisure, pick which ones interested him and take them to Bill's interview. This would be the easiest solution for all concerned.

I like Avalon a lot, and it has become reinvigorated recently, but many Avalonians, if not most, are far too wordy. My eyes glaze over reading these indulgent wall o'types. It's a shame to let a good message suffocate under all that verbiage.

>>>

We have stumbled through Mordor, now we taking a break on a mountain peak and watching Sauron dissolve away on the other side of Mount Doom, yonder. Shanewise Gamgee has carried us up the mountain when we were too exhausted to continue. Now we are eating sandwiches and wondering what to do with the Ring. Who brought it? I thought you were going to take it? Where is hottest lava in Mordor? Does anyone have a map?

LOTR/Terminator/Alice in Wonderland/They Live/Tomrrowland... they are all talking about the same operation.

Daozen
11th September 2015, 02:16
Bill, if you interview Shane, it could be very useful to ask what suggestions Shane may have, for individuals or groups, to best navigate what lies ahead.

There is so much discussion of doom and gloom from other sources. Potential solutions are what we need to hear about.

Using group intent and the Avalon crystal grid to help us navigate might be an interesting and useful topic.

This is the key part of the testimonial for me, and why I ask Shane questions. How to navigate this Autumn and beyond. A key part of this "navigation" is remembering that we are co-creating this timeline as we go along.

Probably just as important as how to best navigate whatever is ahead, is to understand what we *should not* be doing that may throw us off course.

It would be nice to have a short list of the most important items that we could brainstorm about using our intuitive and rational resources.

What to avoid. That is even more of a key. I am like a blind man with a flamethrower. Many of us born into normal families are. We know what to do, but how to prioritize? The negative power structure is highly non-linear, so it's hard to find out who is the most high ranking individual. But now we know that behind all these puppets and muppets lies the AI. This is not exactly new information, as many films and whistleblowers have hinted at this, but Shane could provide some clarification. He is providing a map.

I also remind myself that I should not hang on anyone's word, and get out there and forge my own trail.

It's all about dissolving that AI.

Ron Mauer Sr
11th September 2015, 02:22
Perhaps it is wise to turn off the wireless modem when not being used.
And have no electronics in the bedroom (recommended by Barbara Marciniak's Pleiadians).

AI would have a difficult time gathering data and programming without a power source.

Valley
11th September 2015, 02:24
Ok... my quick, off-the-cuff definition of 'truth'... that which resonates deeply within us, because that is where all truth is found... and this 'Ruiner' material just doesn't do that for me... so far. But I am patient, and am easily capable of changing my mind at any moment... so please allow me that luxury at any time.

Thank you...


PS... Truth can be verified... it is fiction that cannot be.

Define Truth???

Daozen
11th September 2015, 02:29
I stay the hell away from all unnecessary electro-magnetics. Wi-fry fries your internal organs. 2GHz chips in laptops are microwave frequency. Computers are banned in our house, I use cybercafes for a reason. We even took internet off our smartphones because it was getting silly. Now I just use an old Nokia for texting only. I stay out of all those hipster coffee shops where they are drowning in scalar waves as they sip their lattes.

Electro-smog is one of the major components of the veil. It is literally blocking us from accessing the higher realms;

1) By irradiating our glands, further atrophying them.
2) Creating a field that makes it difficult to resonate with the other planes.

Lancet
11th September 2015, 02:30
Something that Shane and Simon Parkes ( who both come from Illuminati families) share in common is their emotional intelligence. Simon once said that he noted that an Alt News celeb wept and spilled his guts in public (in a few of Simon's numerous interviews - I have watched most of them) and that it showed weakness. When one shows weakness, tptb will come after you. So I am not at all surprised by how Shane and Simon conduct themselves, ie self-assured and confident.

I can sense that they have many things weighing on their minds, and that they carry a great deal of burden and responsibility, and perhaps (too many) scars as well. But they project calmness and tranquility, and offer their knowledge and experience in such a personable and consistent way. I have read most of what Shane has written, and it is consistent.

Especially after what Shane has said about controlling emotions and how much energy is expended by him to mould or harness it. If I had witnessed and experienced what he said he had, (and vouched by shadowself), i would not know how I could make it to the other end.

So thanks Shane. Sincerely.

JT

Daozen
11th September 2015, 02:40
AI would have a difficult time gathering data and programming without a power source.

I'm not sure what percentage of the AI's power comes from the modern scalar fence (i.e. the mobile phone grid etc) and what percent comes straight from the aether. If you're in the desert or mountains, the AI signal is still there, but more diffuse, as there are few localized staging transmitters. Secondly, the pure local energies in nature zones block it's signal.

There is everything to play for. As we pull ourselves away from the Sauron/Skynet grid human by human, we are strengthening our own collective thoughtform, and giving it less energy to feed off. We are also making our own collective heart/mind more coherent, like an orchestra gradually getting in tune for a crashing symphony.

It may be a good idea to go over George LoBuono's work again. He wrote a LOT about the AI, and his work is largely ignored. It might be worth starting a thread. I don't have time right now:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_lobuono.htm

In general, the AI is becoming 'scrambled' by the more complex and consuming signal that Gaia and her children are putting out. In Tolkien terms, "Dissolving the ring in the fires of Mt Doom." I am also reminded of the Star Trek episode where Captain Kirk confused a computer. No matter how inorganic the AI is, it must have a core of organic consciousness (I guess) and therein lies one of it's weaknesses. Something is pulsing out of Gaia as we speak, and the energy is getting stronger.

Kristin
11th September 2015, 04:09
I am thankful that these incredible and beautiful questions are all being placed here in such a respectful way. Thank you all!!! You know, as it has been said, it's not what we ask but how we ask that is significant. We are all beings worthy of respect, regardless of our beliefs. To personally honor one another and still have the ability to be clear yet caring is a true testament to compassion, which this world is sorely lacking. Once again, proud to see it alive and well here.

Yes, this has become more of a conversation as to how we "feel" about the presentation rather then what was "in" the presentation, yet that is somehow in itself significant. Our relationship to hearing new and unusual information stated in such terms has an effect. This effect is of great interest.

Many of the threads here and elsewhere are litmus tests for a very close future. How will we react with disclosure? What will be disclosed? Is humanity ready for this? It is amazing actually is you can look at our threads here and ponder: The way we behave is significant and is it worthy of such trust of disclosure? Is anyone watching?

One thing that Shane has said is that we are indeed being watched... that may be the "White Hats" however we all are fully aware that this includes all others and the alphabets as well. This is something that I hope the community pays attention to. In my opinion, we are well on our way to a greater disclosure and have only scratched the surface of a history long held back. I hope we can earn that trust rationally and naturally. I feel we are well on our way.

When I say "earn" I do not mean as a parent clearly needs to earn the trust of a child, rather, I mean that our ability to observe is what is being tested. The ability to not over indulge in passions yet rather create rationality as a common place stance for debate.

Deepest respect to all posters here.

From the Heart,
Kristin

Paul
11th September 2015, 04:27
You make wild claims pertaining to this reality and have absolutely no proof to back it up.
Proof depends on both parties. When I was an expert in a few areas of mathematics, I could prove various theorems, in those areas, to others who knew those areas too. I was quite good at it, actually. But I could prove nothing of the sort to my parents or other relatives or friends, who knew not of those areas of mathematics. All I could offer them was gibberish and weird symbols.

Similarly, whether or not a claim is "wild" depends as much on listener as on the speaker.

When one does hear claims that seem outlandish, from one's current view, one has a choice: One can shrug one's shoulder's and move on ... perhaps some other day one will be in better position, with the requisite awareness, to evaluate those claims, or
one can "blame" the other ... label their words, scarcely understood, as "wild" and without "proof", as an excuse for doing what amounts to the same thing ... moving on ... perhaps to some other day.I recommend the former, not the latter, as that makes less of a claim on what others might be influenced to think, when, as most of us humans do, much of the time, as social animals relying on others for clues, we take clues from others on what to think of something, lacking the energy and genius to think it all through from first principles and deep experience ourselves.

Bill Ryan
11th September 2015, 11:20
You make wild claims pertaining to this reality and have absolutely no proof to back it up.

Hi there... this post may be useful, copied over from here: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=985726&viewfull=1#post985726)

At that time I was replying to another member who was being intransigent and obstinate in his view about another matter. My response here is absolutely NOT meant to convey the same intent. (After repeated similar questions, I was becoming a little frustrated with him!)

Rather, it's just to illustrate the very subtle and important nature of 'proof' in the world we're all exploring together here. It may be valuable to consider. Do please read carefully and with interest. It's quite important.

In one sentence: very few insiders/whistleblowers will ever be able to prove anything irrefutably without hugely endangering their lives.

My question to Karpos also applies, here: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85125-Interview-with-The-Ruiner-Kerry-Cassidy&p=997430&viewfull=1#post997430)



Put yourself in Shane's shoes. Do a thought experiment (as Einstein put it), and imagine everything he has said about himself is true. What would you do, and how would you do it?




Also, there's a difference... in the other thread where I first posted this (about Corey Goode) we were talking about 'proving' a psy-op, rather than 'proving' a reality. (One can barely prove anything at all, in hard practice.) But the same principles apply.

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Dear qbeac:

Your posts display a certain amount of immaturity (in my opinion) in this arena. You talk of 'proof' in a realm where proof is hard to come by — and it's meant to be that way.

For an important reference about plausible deniability, please read this:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54381-Whistleblowers-Conspiracies-and-Proof&p=616855&viewfull=1#post616855




I was told long ago (Feb 2006) in a day-long meeting with Hal Puthoff, who I now count as a friend, never to try to prove anything. It was one of the most interesting and enlightening conversations I've had, and Hal's care and insight might be one of the reasons I'm alive today.

Not proving anything -- not producing real documents, real photos, or a real alien :) -- allows plausible deniability. This is what the controllers care about.

There are some issues (the real existence of UFOs and ET visitation) which the controllers want to be released... but on a very slow drip-feed. Undeniable proof causes shocks to individuals and to the "system". Undeniable proof forces the controllers' hands, and this is not what they want.

The best strategy is to offer evidence (not proof) as a paradigm-changing tool. What follows after that is a game of chess. See the current interesting and important discussion on the Dulce Project 2013 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54348-The-Dulce-Project-2013) thread in which a new Avalon member, Paul (TheDulceProject) is seeking funding and support for a high-profile team to go in to retrieve the box of Dulce documents, photos and videos buried somewhere in Arizona (location known) by ex-security guard Thomas Castello and Cherry Hinkle (Avalon member Mystery).

I and some others are advising great caution. To possess such unequivocal hard information in one's hands is a self-administered death warrant (or imprisonment warrant, at best).... unless one is skilled, smart and very lucky. Ask Julian Assange. :)


So: it's rare that one gets a chance to 'prove' a psy-op — or just about any other claim: and many such claims are made in the alternative media. But, having said that, many of those claims will be totally true.

The 'jury' may bring a guilty charge, on the preponderance of evidence, beyond reasonable doubt. That's how the legal system works; and sometimes, that system works well.

In short: one deduces a psy-op. One [normally] doesn't prove it.

That deduction requires the capacity for deductive reasoning. You all too often use the word 'proof'. This does NOT apply here in all cases in the sense you are using it.

One gets the sense, reading your posts, that nothing would ever satisfy you. Can I PROVE the Earth isn't flat? Not easily (and maybe not at all, in the strict sense of the word: that enters into a non-trivial philosophical discussion about the concept of 'proof' in science — as opposed to, say, math, where at least, most of the time, rigorous proofs can be presented).

But, re the Flat Earth question, the preponderance of evidence suggests with an EXTREMELY high degree of confidence that it is round. Even so, some apparently intelligent people refuse to accept that preponderance of evidence. That's why we are still debating so many things on the forum, and everywhere else in human culture. It's part of the human condition.

Some dot-connecting and deduction will always be required. This cannot be spoon-fed to you, or anyone else, in any pre-digested form. You need to do at least some of the groundwork (and THINKING) for yourself.

Please do that. At least you could make a start by stopping talking about proof, and referring to EVIDENCE instead. Then, you might start to get somewhere.

Carmody
11th September 2015, 12:17
And of course, never mind about the moon...which we all seem to forget (somehow)....

(meaning, if you talk about the moon, the heat comes up very very fast)

Carmody
11th September 2015, 12:28
I've heard that the 'good side is winning' regularly and that the illuminati are crumbling but still never sure. I think it will make me dull if I go for it as a belief. I always appreciate people who give information about them though so thank you Shane

It's very simple. Keep up the effort and fight until it is 100% obvious to you that there is no need to continue.


HOWEVER.

The reality is, that it goes back to that premise that this is a holographic 2d information field. And that ...intelligence is organized information in that 2d holographic filed, a patterned information nexus....that is self aware.

In such a scenario, to relax is to dissolve. To increases is to always be in a growth or active thinking, learning condition. Holding one's ground also requires constancy in maintenance and motion. Relaxing does not exist in this realm.

To be a commodity in such a space and reality, is to be born coherent to some degree, to be neutral and then relax into dissolution.

So, which are you? Intelligence that is growing .....or a commodity, something that is used, handled, consumed, eaten, etc?

If you are an intelligence, then the only answer is that you are on your guard and moving to be alive and self protect, self guard, and add to self. ALWAYS.

Commodities are dead things, controlled things.

Intelligence(s) are systems of growth, with no neutral rest state.

So, in effect, to grow up just like dad, to have a job, to get a house, to have kids, work at the plant, to have a retirement plan, grow old and buy a plot next to the spouse.......is to be a commodity.

Or, more correctly, to see that it was originally an ATTEMPT to emerge into a growth and life but to see that it was corralled, like a cow, like a pig, like a mink, or a dog. Curtailed, fenced, and satiated ('suckling on a tit' kind of life). So, how far away are those fences, far enough that they are difficult to discern?

This, of course, comes back to (in some minds) that moon thing....

peterpam
11th September 2015, 13:43
Being authentic is a tricky thing these days, nobody trusts anybody anymore, we see motives wrapped in subterfuge and true intentions hidden in plain sight behind walls of lies..

The more we come to know about life, the more we realize WE are a part, large or small, of the lie. We lie to ourselves, we lie to our friends and our closest family, that we are happy, that we are content. We lie to our children, from innocent white lies like Santa to big whoppers like the religion we have been bred to believe is the one true choice... We read lies everywhere, all the time..

Nobody trusts the media and the press today, even less the so called alternative media. Even the most died-in-the-wool believers in this matrix we call life, even those people, they are cynics first, believers second..

Dissernment. It is much overused these days and yet still remains so woefully undeveloped. I think it would be very hard for anyone to be believed as things stand, imagine a genuine voice amongst that throng, they would be drowned out by the din of all the wanna bees, as they are.

I don't require any proof from Shane, I don't expect him to believe in me, I don't expect him to help me to understand, I don't expect him to care if I don't understand, I don't need his info anymore than he needs mine, I don't expect him to change his approach to life so as to make clear to me, that which I am not yet able to see for myself, I don't expect him to consider me as a parent considers their creation, mindfully teaching at the child's level, rather than hoping in vane that the child can comprehend the parent. I take him at his word, that my involvement is a mere byproduct of his online activity, we found him after all, he did not find us.

Like you, I have my own mission in this life, like yours no doubt, mine needs good intel too. Good and bad intel, as I see it, both in their ways help to clear the fog of misdirection from our path, so that we may glimpse, sometimes very briefly, understanding.. Not truth mind you, truth so called is very subjective, understanding I feel, is a far more important challenge to rise to and or overcome.

All that being said, I thank Shane deeply, from the bottom of my heart, for helping ME to see another facet of this huge sparkly multi faceted diamond we call existence. Only when I can see about me fully, can I hope to judge for myself the condition of the weather for the next few days ahead, I don't expect anyone to scrutinize these things for me, quite often i'm wrong, its only by being wrong so many times, that I can ever hope to be right... Chuck said it better... N:

“I've always found that anything worth achieving will always have obstacles in the way and you've got to have that drive and determination to overcome those obstacles on route to whatever it is that you want to accomplish.”


― Chuck Norris



Nasu, Your wonderful post has wisdom and insight . Thank you for leading me back to balance . I tend to get frustrated when I feel that truth is being misrepresented. You have reminded me that we are enmeshed in dishonesty, it permeates our very being. At the end of the day, things are as they are. I may think I recognize truth, but at the end of the day I don't know doodly squat. You have helped me to remember that I am on this thread by choice. In the end things happen and things are said and I can ignore them or incorporate them if I feel they will be beneficial in some way. This information offers me nothing and will be of no benefit whatsoever so I will move on. Thankyou, Nasu. You, my friend, are a very wise individual and you have made the time I have spent reading this thread worth it.

Kristin
11th September 2015, 14:33
This information offers me nothing and will be of no benefit whatsoever so I will move on.

Very considerate of you. Take care.

From the Heart,
Kristin

Kristin
11th September 2015, 15:43
So I had some thoughts on follow ups that I thought I would post here for all to consider and discuss:

Shane touched on a few really important things that stuck with me. One was that hearing the truth felt more like remembering. I would like to hear more on this as I think it may pertain to our ability to tap into a collective remembrance and that we all carry this ability inside of us. It would be interesting to discuss how this can be cultivated more. Perhaps Shane may also have a few ideas on this or would like to share more?

Also he touched on how our belief systems are co-creating our reality. This is also a heavy duty and has much said in few words. I would like to hear more in-depth perceptions on how this applies to mind control and his ideas on recognizing the pitfalls that we all need to be aware of. Though Kerry neglected to follow up on any of these statements, I would love to hear more with respect to Shane's personal philosophy.

I am curious as to who/what exactly are the "White Hats" (without naming names), and what other communications he has ongoing with other races, what does he perceive their agendas to be, and how do these various agendas interplay with each other. I'm curious as to what Shane perceives as an overall planetary history. More of an overview of the solar system and an idea of where we are headed.

I'm also curious as to how Shane's personal journey lead him past the dark end of his past and into a place of balance. Music seems to be a sort of therapy for him. It may help others on the forum if he would be kind enough to disclose a personal philosophy that has guided him though this journey and into a healthier place.

Food for thought.

From the Heart,
Kristin

awakeningmom
11th September 2015, 16:24
I've heard that the 'good side is winning' regularly and that the illuminati are crumbling but still never sure. I think it will make me dull if I go for it as a belief. I always appreciate people who give information about them though so thank you Shane

It's very simple. Keep up the effort and fight until it is 100% obvious to you that there is no need to continue.


HOWEVER.

The reality is, that it goes back to that premise that this is a holographic 2d information field. And that ...intelligence is organized information in that 2d holographic filed, a patterned information nexus....that is self aware.

In such a scenario, to relax is to dissolve. To increases is to always be in a growth or active thinking, learning condition. Holding one's ground also requires constancy in maintenance and motion. Relaxing does not exist in this realm.

To be a commodity in such a space and reality, is to be born coherent to some degree, to be neutral and then relax into dissolution.

So, which are you? Intelligence that is growing .....or a commodity, something that is used, handled, consumed, eaten, etc?

If you are an intelligence, then the only answer is that you are on your guard and moving to be alive and self protect, self guard, and add to self. ALWAYS.

Commodities are dead things, controlled things.

Intelligence(s) are systems of growth, with no neutral rest state.

So, in effect, to grow up just like dad, to have a job, to get a house, to have kids, work at the plant, to have a retirement plan, grow old and buy a plot next to the spouse.......is to be a commodity.

Or, more correctly, to see that it was originally an ATTEMPT to emerge into a growth and life but to see that it was corralled, like a cow, like a pig, like a mink, or a dog. Curtailed, fenced, and satiated ('suckling on a tit' kind of life). So, how far away are those fences, far enough that they are difficult to discern?

This, of course, comes back to (in some minds) that moon thing....

Can you explain what you mean about the '"moon thing"? Is there a thread on this (couldn't find one) already?

Star Mariner
11th September 2015, 16:33
I see no reason to believe any of this story, or even pay much attention to it right now... but this may change... we shall see. Right now, it doesn't sound believable at all to me... the way it is presented.

One very good reason is that Bill trusts Shane, and I trust Bill. Surely we all do. Personally, I have full confidence in him, and his prior experience in dealing with whistleblowers and 'insiders' (both good and bad), and his capacity for discernment, reason, and sound judgment.

Many of us have doubts. To be a truthseeker is to constantly wrestle with doubt. It’s like stooping at a riverbank panning for gold. You must be wary, and proceed with careful examination. You must methodically filter a constant flow of often muddy information, looking for a glint of gold. And you must have the skill to identify fool’s gold when it comes along.

It would be very easy, based on previous experience, to dismiss Shane outright, due to lack of evidence (proof), lack of deep analysis, or corroborating witnesses etc. But as I understand it, Bill has had further contact with Shane - off the record he says, as have several mods I expect, in the past, and with regards this thread, so you can rest assured that in these interactions, more information has been acquired behind the scenes - and a more solid picture of the story, and of Shane the individual. This is what I suspect anyway, and it's more than enough for me, personally, to trust in, and to go forward with.

Paul
11th September 2015, 16:39
This, of course, comes back to (in some minds) that moon thing....

Can you explain what you mean about the '"moon thing"? Is there a thread on this (couldn't find one) already?
If you used the "Advanced Search" (linked from near the top of most pages, right side) and search for posts by Carmody with the word "moon", you will get the 100 most recent posts in which Carmody has used that word. Perhaps that will help a bit.

vortexpoint
11th September 2015, 17:47
I would also like to thank Shane for the very interesting blog that I fully read and also the additional input you have given here in PA. I haven't watched the Kerry interview yet but I get the impression from you guys that it doesn't add much to what is already in the blog. Is there any reason to watch it if I have read the whole blog or should I just skip it and wait for Bill's interview?

I'm so looking forward for the Bill's interview! One question that I have for the interview is: Shane mentioned about talking to a giant, and said that he did not reveal to tptb everything the giant said. Shane however hinted that he would be willing to reveal us the rest of it when the time is right. Is the right time now? :)

Star Tsar
11th September 2015, 17:58
Only the enigmatic Ms Cassidy could pull in very nearly eleven thousand views of a thread in two days!
(@ time o posting!)

Carmody
11th September 2015, 18:33
Can you explain what you mean about the '"moon thing"? Is there a thread on this (couldn't find one) already?

http://www.ivantic.net/Slike%20i%20kratki%20filmovi/Ingo_Swann_Penetration.pdf (Modedit: material removed due to Copyright Complaint. -- Paul.)

That is a good start....

heretogrow
11th September 2015, 19:02
Thank you to Kerry and Shane as well as to all others who have seasoned this thread with so much food for thought. My heart says to stay strong in our love and connection with our mother and her wisdom. She will guide us as she always has. We need to begin to build the bridge between the old world and this new on we are about to create with kindness and confidence. We need to look into the eyes of those we connect with and really communicate. We need human, earthly interactions that reach towards Source. We can do this!

Much Love to All,
Julia

Valley
11th September 2015, 19:02
I don't trust in someone because someone else trusts them, even though that can be a good starting point in considering outlandish stories like this one. It's very clear to me that Bill is quite capable and clever... his 'track record' is genuine... but I need to decide whether this Ruiner story is authentic for myself... by looking at the info, presentation style, what kinds of subjects are focused on, what kind of energy is being projected, etc. Also I listen closely to my internal awareness signals, which I've learned to trust over the years.

I've always done things my own way, and being unpopular because of my views or choices has never really bothered me, as I've learned that the most popular views on things are many times wrong or distorted and I'd much rather be 'on the right track' than popular.

In this particular case of the Ruiner, it doesn't have any 'ring of truth' for me, so far... and it kinda has the feel of a 'rookie operation'. So right now it is of little concern to me... but this may change as we continue to hear more of the story. I'd particularly like to hear more audio interviewing, as then there is a lot more than just words on a page to consider... you can hear where the person is coming from much better. Also, people have been posting some very good questions here and it's interesting to see what questions are addressed and which ones are ignored.

I'm going to keep an eye on this, but not take it too seriously... but I may change my mind at any time... which could be in an hour, or not at all.








I see no reason to believe any of this story, or even pay much attention to it right now... but this may change... we shall see. Right now, it doesn't sound believable at all to me... the way it is presented.

One very good reason is that Bill trusts Shane, and I trust Bill. Surely we all do. Personally, I have full confidence in him, and his prior experience in dealing with whistleblowers and 'insiders' (both good and bad), and his capacity for discernment, reason, and sound judgment.

Many of us have doubts. To be a truthseeker is to constantly wrestle with doubt. It’s like stooping at a riverbank panning for gold. You must be wary, and proceed with careful examination. You must methodically filter a constant flow of often muddy information, looking for a glint of gold. And you must have the skill to identify fool’s gold when it comes along.

It would be very easy, based on previous experience, to dismiss Shane outright, due to lack of evidence (proof), lack of deep analysis, or corroborating witnesses etc. But as I understand it, Bill has had further contact with Shane - off the record he says, as have several mods I expect, in the past, and with regards this thread, so you can rest assured that in these interactions, more information has been acquired behind the scenes - and a more solid picture of the story, and of Shane the individual. This is what I suspect anyway, and it's more than enough for me, personally, to trust in, and to go forward with.

Mike
11th September 2015, 21:30
Hi Bill,

I was just reading your post (#160) and I had a thought...it's one of those thoughts that, when formed into a question, gives the questioner the feeling that he's asking something that has a rather obvious answer but still needs to be asked nonetheless...

I'm wondering why some would be whistleblowers who do have definititive or close to definitive proof regarding issues like giants, 9-11, ufo's, shadow governments, true history of the earth etc, don't just *anonymously* (key word here) send all their irrefutable documents, pictures and so forth to all the major news agencies across the world, all the alternative researchers like yourself, all influential radio personalities and so forth....the idea being to simply overwhelm all these media outlets with undeniable, impossible to ignore proof in an effort to force "their" hand. And, having done it anonymously, they will have..in theory.. removed any threat on their or their loved ones lives..

Why do you s'pose nothing like this has ever happened? I know Ive really oversimplified a rather complex situation..but I think you see where I'm going here

Obviously those running major media outlets censor a great deal of what reaches the public...but in this little hypothetical scenario of mine, too many eyes see the stuff to simply bury it.

It seems like a question that needs to be asked, and yet I can't shake this feeling that it's a really really stupid one:)

Also, why do think someone like David Icke for example, who names more names than the yellow pages, and offers highly detailed and specific information...isn't harmed, threatened or killed?

I'd appreciate your take. Thanks.

onawah
11th September 2015, 23:01
I hope that Shane will tell us what he can about Fukushima, what the long term effects may be on the planet, whether it's safe to be living in Hawaii and on the West Coast currently, whether the controllers (or white hats) plan to make any real efforts to clean it up, or if they will just let the chips fall where they may.
Current news about flooding in Japan and the re-opening of a nuclear plant here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62507-Japan-nuclear-agency-upgrades-Fukushima-alert-level&p=998108#post998108
There have been debates on Avalon about whether the effects are really as bad as they seem, or if they are being exaggerated because it's a good way to keep people in fear.
Some actually think it could be a good thing in some ways.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scare-scam-&p=815333&highlight=hormesis#post815333
Dr. Richard Alan Miller called it an "extinction event" :http://richardalanmiller.com/breakingnews/fukushima-hanging-by-a-thread-our-entire-civilization-is-hanging-by-a-thread

Daozen
12th September 2015, 02:55
It's very simple. Keep up the effort and fight until it is 100% obvious to you that there is no need to continue.

Yes! That's the way I look at it. Little sparks of hope, like seeing chemtrails have stopped in my area recently, are not supposed to make us sit around congratulating ourselves. The freedom initiative will continue until everyone is fed, has water, is 100 percent cured of all disease, and the planet is completely healed.


And of course, never mind about the moon...which we all seem to forget (somehow)....

(meaning, if you talk about the moon, the heat comes up very very fast)

Are you talking about etheric heat from the AI/guards sensing your signature as you talk about a "banned" topic? Or internet trolls? Or something else. Thanks...

I will check out your posts on this subject. In the Truman Show, this reality is run from the moon.

EDIT: I am now reading your posts Carmody, about the moon and the results of RVing it. Do you think the signal is very slowly being jammed? There's a hell of an intense fight on.

raregem
12th September 2015, 03:10
Thank you for this interview Ruiner and Kerry.
Ruiner, I did have an adverse reaction to reading the blog and stopped reading.
I made myself listen to this interview to try again and understand where you are coming from regarding Illuminiati scenarios. I was calmed by your voice and listened completely with interest.
I look forward to listening to you again should you make interviews available. I really, really like hearing you speak.
My apologies for not being able to accept your written words of your truth.

araucaria
12th September 2015, 09:24
The central issue with regard to Shane, as I see it, is trust. Someone said they can’t trust him because they were fooled by Charles, Corey or whoever. This is equivalent to saying that not only has specific trust in a given person been lost, the very attitude of trust is no longer possible. This in turn leads to mistrusting and lashing out at Bill Ryan and the forum team on the one hand, and any received wisdom on the other, up to and including a spherical earth. All because of Charles, Corey or some other attention-seeker.

‘Once bitten twice shy’ is the natural reaction after a trauma that has to be overcome in order to function properly. Humanity has been so traumatized by so many things over such a long period that it has almost lost all ability to trust; which is what we are here to rebuild. If you understand trust as the very definition of positive synergy between entities, you see how destructive its loss can be; the very roots of society are undermined. So whatever angle you have on the ‘evil agenda’, it can also be envisaged in terms of trust, or the lack of same.

Trust has to be restored on a case-by-case basis. If you prejudge Tom on the basis of your experience with Dick and Harry, then you have taken yourself completely out of the game. There is nothing Tom or anyone else can do to convince you to trust them. What can you do to get back on track? Well, trust is not an either/or. You might think you can’t trust someone to ‘tell you the time of day’, but just try them with that, and again, and again, with increasingly important matters. You may discover beyond some area of misunderstanding or disagreement that the person was fundamentally trustworthy. That means they have integrity, and while total integrity means being the same all the way through, from every angle, and at all times, most people will fall at least a little short of total integrity. In other words, they also create a few obstacles or leave a few gaps that you need to jump over.

Trust is a leap of faith. You are grounded, then you jump (ungrounded) and then you land (grounded again). The ungrounded moment is faith, but it is immediately rewarded. If you can’t leap over an obstacle, then you have to take the long detour round it. The difference between running and walking is that running involves both feet leaving the ground. It is ever so slightly riskier than walking, but so much faster. The risk is small because the leap is short and there is no obstacle. So trust is what makes society run, faster and over shorter distances. Given the present stage we are it, we have no choice. The detour, if it exists, is too long and tricky. And the upcoming obstacle is a biggish one that calls for a little practice beforehand. You can only trust bigtime if you have plenty of practice trusting smalltime. The thing is, there is always that little extra that is demanded of you. Trust means improving on your personal best, going where you’ve never been before, and maybe never thought you could. Because trusting other people by definition means speculating on their present or future performance being consistent with their past performance – theirs, not someone else’s. Since that performance also involves who they trust, trust being a currency that circulates like money, by helping to make the system work for everyone willing to contribute, the more you spend the more you stand to gain. And the unwilling – whether untrustworthy or untrusting, it makes no difference – ultimately lose out.

Star Mariner
12th September 2015, 14:53
Hi Bill,

I was just reading your post (#160) and I had a thought...it's one of those thoughts that, when formed into a question, gives the questioner the feeling that he's asking something that has a rather obvious answer but still needs to be asked nonetheless...

I'm wondering why some would be whistleblowers who do have definititive or close to definitive proof regarding issues like giants, 9-11, ufo's, shadow governments, true history of the earth etc, don't just *anonymously* (key word here) send all their irrefutable documents, pictures and so forth to all the major news agencies across the world, all the alternative researchers like yourself, all influential radio personalities and so forth....the idea being to simply overwhelm all these media outlets with undeniable, impossible to ignore proof in an effort to force "their" hand. And, having done it anonymously, they will have..in theory.. removed any threat on their or their loved ones lives..

Why do you s'pose nothing like this has ever happened? I know Ive really oversimplified a rather complex situation..but I think you see where I'm going here

Obviously those running major media outlets censor a great deal of what reaches the public...but in this little hypothetical scenario of mine, too many eyes see the stuff to simply bury it.

It seems like a question that needs to be asked, and yet I can't shake this feeling that it's a really really stupid one:)

Also, why do think someone like David Icke for example, who names more names than the yellow pages, and offers highly detailed and specific information...isn't harmed, threatened or killed?

I'd appreciate your take. Thanks.

I don't presume to answer for Bill or anyone else, but personally speaking, from the top of my head, I would say the most sensitive, need-to-know information is strictly controlled, eyes only, and highly, highly compartmentalized. There is no concrete proof available, neither documents, photographs, or footage, not for any potential security threat who could casually stumble across them.

Whisleblowers are probably detected immediately - they are probably profiled as such long before it occurs to them to be a whistelblower. If they intend to circulate delicate information (evidence), it depends on the quality of that evidence (how damaging it is to TPTB, or, how it might in some cases further their agenda), as to whether or not it is allowed to be leaked, and what controls can be exerted over how it is leaked. Those on the other hand who obtain actual physical proof, and seek to disclose it, are likely eliminated before they can do so.

Shane
12th September 2015, 17:17
One question that I have for the interview is: Shane mentioned about talking to a giant, and said that he did not reveal to tptb everything the giant said. Shane however hinted that he would be willing to reveal us the rest of it when the time is right. Is the right time now? :)

I understand this was meant to go towards the interview questions, but because I have already written this answer into the blog "Sleeping Giants" I can respond quickly.

It was simply that there were more here than the structure was aware of. Many sites have not yet been found despite their efforts. That their worship is misdirected and not accomplishing what they believe.

Funny really, as this information is not nearly as serious or important as "they" thought it would be.

With love and respect,

terragunn
12th September 2015, 21:54
The Ruiner states that he no longer serves the Illuminati, so I am not sure why you begin the paragraph following with " If the Ruiner is as he states, then the Ruiner serves an angle of the spiritual/philosophical branch of the Illuminati. Please explain. Thanks.




If the Ruiner is as he states, then the Ruiner serves an angle of the spiritual/philosophical branch of the Illuminati. What is salient to dissect and discern is the angle/programme/cause itself that the Ruiner serves and, by way of suggestion, propagates. The relayed double-talk information of the Ruiner is not as important as the angle/cause of which the Ruiner serves and propogates. Such is the same with all those who are instruments of the Cabal, whether witting or unwitting.



My comment is in regards to the information relayed by the Ruiner on the Ruiner’s blogspot, including his responses to queries.

In my understanding (and the following has nothing to do with the Ruiner's posts and relay of information, but rather the programmed Illuminati mind-set), the psychological programming of members of ‘The Family’ (or Illuminati) begins in the astral before incarnation onto the material plane. The psychological programming continues after incarnation onto the material plane, when members of ‘The Family’ are children, in order to more effectively and more easily prime them for the roles they may potentially play later on, as well as to suppress further any vestige of spirit/free will/personal sovereignty. This is one layer of the soul harvesting process. Some do not make it far into ‘later on’ as the role they are psychologically programmed to play (and told they were ‘chosen’ to play and ‘made an agreement’ to play) is one of ritual sacrifice.

One does not have to be a Family member of the Illuminati to serve it. As long as such fits in with their agendas, their angles (angels/aeons), arches (archons), and Law of Confusion – spreading misinformation, disinformation, corruption and distortion serve the Illuminati (who serve one or more thought deities in the astral/ether) quite well.

All branches of the Illuminati coincide with psychology and navigation of Creator beings’ thoughts. This is a prominent part of Illuminati programming and the prominent purpose of the computation Matrix. Once again, control the thoughts of those who are Creators (but who do not realise, remember, or believe fully that they are Creators), and via the Source/life-force manifestational powers of the Creators’ thoughts, the Creators become imprisoned within these thoughts, which in turn and via Universal Law, manifest into the Creators’ material and psychological ‘realities’.

More now than ever there are so-called Illuminati ‘insiders’ coming out of the circuitry of the A.I. Usurper. They are coming out of the circuitry of the A.I. Usurper because different collective consciousnesses of the Creator beings on the material plane command, by Universal Law and vibrational frequency that they come out. And this is where we must fine-tune our powers of discernment because such programmed shills and piss-artist charlatans will target these collective consciousnesses with baited psychological exercises to create a new foundation layer in which to build subsequent layers of misdirection, all under the guise of ‘disclosure’.

This is my last incarnation on the material plane. I am well prepared to meet the astrals (who I have already met, time and time and time again) upon leaving my physical vehicle, and I will not be coerced by them into another incarnational recycling on the material plane via their tunnel of false light. I am well aware of their tricks. I am well aware of the screen image overlays. I am well aware to look not outside myself for light but to bring the light I AM within me to radiate outwards. This is the Source of Creation: internally to externally. NOT the other way round.

The computation Matrix loses its power when the Users (US) -- those of Source electricity and life-force energy -- leave the Game. And no -- I am not talking about suicide. Connect with your spirit and acknowledge your spirit, for in your spirit you will find the truth of who you are.

onawah
13th September 2015, 16:41
Very helpful...thanks Terragun :bump:

princesslovercup
15th September 2015, 19:38
Having been around a few short years ago, and having experienced another who had strong connections to certain very powerful families (Illuminati? Maybe...), I was at the least, fascinated when a friend told me about Ruiner, and I read quite a bit of his material.

It became so obvious to me, it had to be one-and-the-same as the character from this site's past, that so intrigued everyone for months. Or someone else, who's associating with this past personage.

There was nothing new in what Ruiner was saying, and boredom set in. I do believe we're being 'played', again.

It's actually quite amusing that Mz. Cassidy, who was so much the open enemy of this former character in the past, is now interviewing him.

RunningDeer
15th September 2015, 20:54
Having been around a few short years ago, and having experienced another who had strong connections to certain very powerful families (Illuminati? Maybe...), I was at the least, fascinated when a friend told me about Ruiner, and I read quite a bit of his material.

It became so obvious to me, it had to be one-and-the-same as the character from this site's past, that so intrigued everyone for months. Or someone else, who's associating with this past personage.

There was nothing new in what Ruiner was saying, and boredom set in. I do believe we're being 'played', again.

It's actually quite amusing that Mz. Cassidy, who was so much the open enemy of this former character in the past, is now interviewing him.
Welcome back, princesslovercup. It’s been three months since you’ve posted. To catch you up, here’s the thread that’s been running since April 26, 2015, called “The Blog of The Ruiner - Inside the Illuminati Mind (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81805-The-Blog-of-The-Ruiner-Inside-the-Illuminati-Mind)”. The Runier, Shane, also joins in every so often. He’s been a member of Avalon since December 28, 2012. And someone correct me if I’m wrong, Shane also was an Avalon moderator.


I do believe we're being 'played', again.

I speak for myself. So that’s “we” minus "RunningDeer". I don’t feel I’m being played. Cuz, I’m in charge of me.

Some of the consistent messages that I read from The Runier’s shares, and all of which I fully agree and live are:

Think for yourself.
We are empowered beings.
Use discernment.
We are powerful creator beings.
Nature nurtures and grounds.
Keep it simple.

IMO: Shane is not a ’character’. He’s someone that cares enough to give of his time and energy to assist in this rigged game.

RunningDeer

onawah
15th September 2015, 21:19
While I am empathetic and sympathetic to Shane and Simon and other whistleblowers who have left the ranks of the controllers (whether Illuminati, ET or ED)... or at least, claim to have left (and I believe that we and they really can break those chains)... I also think it's critical not to underestimate the difficulty of such a painstaking endeavor or the amount of time that it may take.
Particularly since the programming starts, probably in most cases, not just in infancy, but, as Terragunn states, before birth, and can also carry over over from previous lifetimes.
(Case in point, I remember somewhere Agape stating that she thinks Simon is going to make a good whistleblower someday... :bigsmile:)
In engaging with whistleblowers in the kinds of dialogues that we engage in here on Avalon, though each of us are in a different stage of de-hypnosis, I think what we are doing is a kind of mutually supportive group de-programming, even if we aren't aware of it.
And I think this is true even when we aren't particularly empathetic or sympathetic, and perhaps even especially then...there's plenty to be upset about, and sometimes venting may be the most appropriate thing to do.
Perhaps that's why Bill was so tolerant of some of the critical remarks from Avalonians about the interview with Shane.
And I think Terragunn's post contains much wisdom that should not be ignored, though it may be stringent.


The Ruiner states that he no longer serves the Illuminati, so I am not sure why you begin the paragraph following with " If the Ruiner is as he states, then the Ruiner serves an angle of the spiritual/philosophical branch of the Illuminati. Please explain. Thanks.




If the Ruiner is as he states, then the Ruiner serves an angle of the spiritual/philosophical branch of the Illuminati. What is salient to dissect and discern is the angle/programme/cause itself that the Ruiner serves and, by way of suggestion, propagates. The relayed double-talk information of the Ruiner is not as important as the angle/cause of which the Ruiner serves and propogates. Such is the same with all those who are instruments of the Cabal, whether witting or unwitting.



My comment is in regards to the information relayed by the Ruiner on the Ruiner’s blogspot, including his responses to queries.

In my understanding (and the following has nothing to do with the Ruiner's posts and relay of information, but rather the programmed Illuminati mind-set), the psychological programming of members of ‘The Family’ (or Illuminati) begins in the astral before incarnation onto the material plane. The psychological programming continues after incarnation onto the material plane, when members of ‘The Family’ are children, in order to more effectively and more easily prime them for the roles they may potentially play later on, as well as to suppress further any vestige of spirit/free will/personal sovereignty. This is one layer of the soul harvesting process. Some do not make it far into ‘later on’ as the role they are psychologically programmed to play (and told they were ‘chosen’ to play and ‘made an agreement’ to play) is one of ritual sacrifice.

One does not have to be a Family member of the Illuminati to serve it. As long as such fits in with their agendas, their angles (angels/aeons), arches (archons), and Law of Confusion – spreading misinformation, disinformation, corruption and distortion serve the Illuminati (who serve one or more thought deities in the astral/ether) quite well.

All branches of the Illuminati coincide with psychology and navigation of Creator beings’ thoughts. This is a prominent part of Illuminati programming and the prominent purpose of the computation Matrix. Once again, control the thoughts of those who are Creators (but who do not realise, remember, or believe fully that they are Creators), and via the Source/life-force manifestational powers of the Creators’ thoughts, the Creators become imprisoned within these thoughts, which in turn and via Universal Law, manifest into the Creators’ material and psychological ‘realities’.

More now than ever there are so-called Illuminati ‘insiders’ coming out of the circuitry of the A.I. Usurper. They are coming out of the circuitry of the A.I. Usurper because different collective consciousnesses of the Creator beings on the material plane command, by Universal Law and vibrational frequency that they come out. And this is where we must fine-tune our powers of discernment because such programmed shills and piss-artist charlatans will target these collective consciousnesses with baited psychological exercises to create a new foundation layer in which to build subsequent layers of misdirection, all under the guise of ‘disclosure’.

This is my last incarnation on the material plane. I am well prepared to meet the astrals (who I have already met, time and time and time again) upon leaving my physical vehicle, and I will not be coerced by them into another incarnational recycling on the material plane via their tunnel of false light. I am well aware of their tricks. I am well aware of the screen image overlays. I am well aware to look not outside myself for light but to bring the light I AM within me to radiate outwards. This is the Source of Creation: internally to externally. NOT the other way round.

The computation Matrix loses its power when the Users (US) -- those of Source electricity and life-force energy -- leave the Game. And no -- I am not talking about suicide. Connect with your spirit and acknowledge your spirit, for in your spirit you will find the truth of who you are.

greybeard
15th September 2015, 21:32
Im open minded with some reservations.
Its taken Shane quite some time as a member to come out, he joined quite a few years back.

Shane is a fairly common first name but I seem to remember a Shane being in a rock band and having a friendship with a former female moderator Illuminate I think I recall is the name, lovely lady.
Could well be a completely different Shane.

Chris

Paul
15th September 2015, 23:58
And someone correct me if I’m wrong, Shane also was an Avalon moderator.
Yes, he was, for a short time during the transition of Admins from Richard to Ilie and myself, back in early 2011. He was helpful to me in my first few weeks, for which I remain grateful.

Maria Stade
16th September 2015, 10:46
Thank you Kerry !

Bill Ryan
16th September 2015, 11:45
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Hi, All:

Posts here that were about Shane's new interview with Thomas Williams, yesterday, have been moved to this new thread:

Shane/The Ruiner's new interview with Thomas Williams, 15 Sept 2015 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85276-Shane-The-Ruiner-s-new-interview-with-Thomas-Williams-15-Sept-2015)

* For newer members or new visitors, note also the original thread about Shane's material:
The Blog of The Ruiner - Inside the Illuminati Mind (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81805-The-Blog-of-The-Ruiner-Inside-the-Illuminati-Mind)

It's always a little unclear how we should manage these overlapping topics, but I think it may be best to keep discussion of the interviews separate from the discussion about his original blog, and the material on it. Interested members can of course bookmark all three threads... and as Shane does more interviews, more threads will appear. If this all proves to be a mistake, we can always re-merge threads later. :)

Shane
16th September 2015, 16:29
Im open minded with some reservations.
Its taken Shane quite some time as a member to come out, he joined quite a few years back.

Shane is a fairly common first name but I seem to remember a Shane being in a rock band and having a friendship with a former female moderator Illuminate I think I recall is the name, lovely lady.
Could well be a completely different Shane.

Chris

Same person Chris. We even interviewed you ;)

Maria Stade
16th September 2015, 18:03
Thank you Shane for telling your truth ! I will follow this with intresst.
I have not read your blog, but I will.
I would like you to hear what you have to say about the etheric gigant spiders :yes4:
Was there interuptions in the eather blocking Kerry from asking more ?
You did stand you groud well when people demand truth and express their misstrust. But you know how it works om Avalon.

terragunn
17th September 2015, 02:12
The 'sleeping giants' are US.

Maria Stade
17th September 2015, 10:49
The 'sleeping giants' are US.

Lol, that is also true :pound:

Desrknelf
17th September 2015, 12:23
"...the Taylor Swift video/song "Bad Blood" to announce the split in their ranks and a declaration of war between them."

Wow, I just watched this video, it is rather amazing. At the start she gets pulled straight through the ground back to the underground base, and then has a procedure with light, to erase memory of the mission, while one of the lyrics spoken by Kendrick Lamar is "take time and erase you". I just looked up the full lyric and it is, "These beasts of a dark heart, use basslines to replace you, Take time and erase you", sounds like a taunt saying to enemy factions they are of no value and expendable to their overlords?

He makes two other references to forgetting, "Remember, oh wait you got amnesia", and "forgive and forget but never let it go" (which doesn't make sense.. but "forget but never let it go" sounds like someone who has had important memories deleted).

Also one of the soldiers throws a knife through a teddy bear of all things just to be completely obvious these are traumatic mind control victims.

And.. the betrayal and showdown at the end both happen in the City of London- apparently the Cabal stronghold where the bad blood is, or perhaps just shown for illustration purposes as the most obvious and well known cabal center to make sure you "get it".

I watched a few other Taylor swift videos but none of them were this interesting. I didn't notice any significant messages or symbolism at all

Hazelfern
18th September 2015, 03:18
Thank you Shane for telling your truth ! I will follow this with interest.
I have not read your blog, but I will.
I would like you to hear what you have to say about the etheric gigantic spiders :yes4:
Was there interruptions in the ether blocking Kerry from asking more ?
You did stand you ground well when people demand truth and express their mistrust. But you know how it works on Avalon.


I would like you to hear what you have to say about the etheric gigantic spiders

I too, would like to know

Omni
19th September 2015, 23:07
I would like you to hear what you have to say about the etheric gigantic spiders

I too, would like to know
I know I'm not Shane but I have experience with gigantic etheric spiders. In my case they were very immersive and fancy illusions meant to scare me in most cases. I ended up one day feeling like they were crawling all over me, one biting my nose...

In my case they were illusions done by technology I believe. The mind has a spacial sense to it that can be interfaced with technology to create very real feeling entities in one's proximity when it is all stageplay. Dr. Michael Persinger's God Helmet studies did this to some subjects too. This technology feels very real.

I used to go out to this park in the middle of the night and chat with different beings while I was there. Greys, Nordics, etc. One night I was there and this 2-3 foot wide very real feeling spider shows up behind me. It wasn't in physical reality. As I understand it, it was an energy thing done by technology to spook me. It did spook me. lol

I obviously do not have the full picture about this. But I do note some aspects of the etheric experiences people have, are technological IMHO.

turiya
20th September 2015, 02:09
Cross-posted from another thread... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=1000767&viewfull=1#post1000767)



Shane [akaThe Ruiner] Interview with Thomas Williams, 15 Sept 2015

Going over the Shane / Thomas Williams interview, there is quite a bit there that needs to be commented on.

First off, I have not heard Thomas Williams [nor Kerry Cassidy, for that matter] ask Shane specifically about what were the specific details of what his Illuminati education consisted of - from the age of 4 on up.

For example, when Thomas Williams asks Shane about the early history, 13,000 years ago (and originally 26,000 years ago) of the Dracos being on this planet. The information that Shane provides is pretty well found to be coinciding with the Annunaki Fantasy story that can be found in the Zecharia Sitchin books. Those that are quite familiar with this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas) should be aware that Bill Ryan (edit & NOT Kerry Cassidy) was told by a close associate of Zecharia Sitchin's (looks like this could very well be the one & only Jordan Maxwell), and that Zecharia Sitchin did not actually translate the Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets, but had been channeled some of that information from an Annunaki entity through the method of channeling known as Automatic Writing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_writing). Source found here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55543-The-Anunnaki-their-history-on-earth-where-are-they-today&p=632871&viewfull=1#post632871).

So, from the interview, it is found that Shane feels that he had pretty much avoided being "mind-controlled", hypnotized, by his Illuminati teachers, or by his so-called Dracos Reptilian handlers that attempted to do the same with him. It need not be pointed out, but I will anyway, much programming by societies is done during a youth's very early years. They grab hold of the child as soon as they can to ensure that the child is a well conditioned conformist.

Normally, at least in this country, the public school system is known as the "The Public Fool System" because of the simple fact that this is where the brainwashing of the young minds takes place to have individuals conditioned to accept the mores of the culture. And so Shane admits that he began his indoctrination at the young age of 4-years-old. So, the question I have for Shane is the following:

Can you really say that 'none' of that early Illuminati education you were exposed to & impressed with, had not entered into the deeper recesses of your own mind? Because as you relate the 13,000 years ago history, and originally 26,000 years ago - now, this lines up, way too much, with the Nibiru cycle found in Sitchin's books. Not to mention King Anu, Enki and the rest? Was this part of your early Illuminati education? That you have since repeated in the Thomas Williams interview? Its very well known that Zecharia Sitchin, btw, was an Illuminati member as shown in the following video clip.

In other words, was the Zecharia Sitchin information part of your Illuminati education / training programming?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wWxqXashBo


more to come later...

Daozen
20th September 2015, 07:29
I know I'm not Shane but I have experience with gigantic etheric spiders. In my case they were very immersive and fancy illusions meant to scare me in most cases. I ended up one day feeling like they were crawling all over me, one biting my nose...

In my case they were illusions done by technology I believe. The mind has a spacial sense to it that can be interfaced with technology to create very real feeling entities in one's proximity when it is all stageplay. Dr. Michael Persinger's God Helmet studies did this to some subjects too. This technology feels very real.

I used to go out to this park in the middle of the night and chat with different beings while I was there. Greys, Nordics, etc. One night I was there and this 2-3 foot wide very real feeling spider shows up behind me. It wasn't in physical reality. As I understand it, it was an energy thing done by technology to spook me. It did spook me. lol

I obviously do not have the full picture about this. But I do note some aspects of the etheric experiences people have, are technological IMHO.

That is exactly what happens. They are like etheric guards that come out whenever someone is about to make contact with the other planes.

Bill Ryan
20th September 2015, 11:43
Bill Ryan & Kerry Cassidy were both told by a close associate of Zecharia Sitchin's (looks like this could very well be the one & only Jordan Maxwell), and that Zecharia Sitchin did not actually translate the Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets, but was fed that information from an Annunaki entity through the method of channeling known as Automatic Writing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_writing). Source found here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55543-The-Anunnaki-their-history-on-earth-where-are-they-today&p=632871&viewfull=1#post632871).



I confirm that.

(Note: I was told this personally, btw, in 2010. Kerry was not there at that time.)

A clarification, however. It's not that Sitchin didn't translate anything. He did know Sumerian, and he wasn't just taking dictation. :)

But when translating an ancient text, there are so many nuances and unknowns that each time he encountered something that wasn't very clear, or in which the context was ambiguous, that's when he got his 'interpretative advice'.

In my own words: Sitchin took the original text, did the best academic translation he could, and then it was 'spun'.

This doesn't imply any deception on Sitchin's part. I believe he felt he was being 'assisted'. But in my very strong personal opinion, not everything in Sitchin's books can be taken as factual.

Cidersomerset
20th September 2015, 13:16
A clarification, however. It's not that Sitchin didn't translate anything. He did know Sumerian, and he wasn't just taking dictation

This is a bit synchronicity as I'm listening to the audio book and am
thinking how to post it , with Gobekli Tepi and other older discoveries
pushing back modern human ' civilisation' back toward the end of
the Ice age and coastal flood myths. Also I was listening to a Joseph
Farrell vid recently and he said that he used other academic sources
when researching the Sumerian tablets and he could not find much
difference between them and Sitchins version.

The 12th Planet written by Zecharia Sitchin (Audiobook)‬‏ annunaki .flv

mYmkophY2Pk


==================================================



Aprox 23 mins in Joseph says he used traditional academics translation of the
Sumerian tablets as Sitchin is critized for some of his work. Its here that he
says he did not find a lot of difference. You should listen to vid for a longer
explanation.

Aprox 41 mins in Joseph quotes the Sumerian Tablets and ' gods'...

Joseph P. Farrell. Cosmic War, Death Stars. Red Ice Creations

XvznMWz1VtY

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85281-New-Mars-structure-found&p=999661&highlight=Joseph+Farrell#post999661

turiya
20th September 2015, 13:53
Bill Ryan & Kerry Cassidy were both told by a close associate of Zecharia Sitchin's (looks like this could very well be the one & only Jordan Maxwell), and that Zecharia Sitchin did not actually translate the Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets, but was fed that information from an Annunaki entity through the method of channeling known as Automatic Writing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_writing). Source found here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55543-The-Anunnaki-their-history-on-earth-where-are-they-today&p=632871&viewfull=1#post632871).



I confirm that.

(Note: I was told this personally, btw, in 2010. Kerry was not there at that time.)

A clarification, however. It's not that Sitchin didn't translate anything. He did know Sumerian, and he wasn't just taking dictation. :)

But when translating an ancient text, there are so many nuances and unknowns that each time he encountered something that wasn't very clear, or in which the context was ambiguous, that's when he got his 'interpretative advice'.

In my own words: Sitchin took the original text, did the best academic translation he could, and then it was 'spun'.

This doesn't imply any deception on Sitchin's part. I believe he felt he was being 'assisted'. But in my very strong personal opinion, not everything in Sitchin's books can be taken as factual.

Thanks, Bill, for that clarification.

I used the phrase, "the Annunaki Fantasy story" as it is used in the Chris Thomas' books & essay material. He also agrees with you as far as Zecharia Sitchin being as true as you say.

This particular phrase was used, because through his research, he found that it was a small group of Annunaki that had traveled back in time to dictate a fictitious story, regarding human history (the Annunaki being the creator gods of humanity). The story was dictated to a Sumerian scribe who placed it within the cuneiform tablets. It was during the time that Chris Thomas did psychic healing work and a man came to him with some particular health issues & inability to sleep, as it appeared he was haunted with visions & a memory of what he was a part of in a past life.

Chris has the ability to scan the DNA of individuals. From there, he discovered that this particular client was an Annunaki (in past life) that had traveled back in time as one member of this Annunaki group. It was by sheer coincidence (if there really are any) that led him to stumble upon this particular event. He used the information about his client to do further research on the matter - the Annunaki traveling back in time to "plant" this particular "fantasy story". Hence, he has used the phrase "The Annunaki Fantasy story" in the writings of his research of the Akashic. It had nothing negative to do with Zecharia Sitchin.

Chris Thomas has always spoken well of Zecharia Sitchin.

onawah
20th September 2015, 19:03
Confusion still reigns, as far as I can see, when it comes to who the Dracos are, who the Annunaki are, and if there is really any difference.
Simon Parkes concurred with Chris Thomas's "Annunaki Fantasy story", though he still talks about the Draco and the Annunaki as if they are separate races, and he names his Draco "Dad" Anu. This, in spite of the fact that his drawing of Dracos do not resemble the artistic renditions we see of the Annunaki from Sumerian art at all
And Shane, as the Ruiner, devoted a whole, confusing page on his blog to the Annunaki here: http://theruiner777.blogspot.com/2015/07/annunaki.html
We need a Sherlock Holmes to untangle this twisted tale, methinks.

greybeard
20th September 2015, 19:27
There seems to be a thought running through most threads to do with aliens--that they, aliens, are more spiritual than humans.
They may well be more advanced in many ways--but all being One --no one, nothing, is more advanced that what is within the human.
For me and this is my opinion--there is no confusion about this.
There is no place that "God" is not---that is within you and me.

The sages have long said "I am the Totality all of it"

The universe is both within and without.
Immanent and transcendent.

For me the priority is finding out my True nature--- not who is right about this or that alien. (Though once upon a time it took up a lot of my time.)
Now to me all of that is a distraction---a distraction which suits the TPTB nicely.
What you truly are can not be confined, enslaved etc.
BUT you have to make a sincere attempt to find the Truth which resides within all.
When you get to the root of this, then you see why David Icke says "Only unconditional love is real--all else is an illusion"

So what's really important?

Chris

Karpos
20th September 2015, 19:47
Video of guy who took 13 pages or notes on Kerry's Interview with Shane, and has a long critical analysis of Shane's story. I'm listening now. So far he's doing a sound job of being objective and using critical thinking skills. A bit of a review of Shane's story according to the Interview posted in the OP.

WARNING: the guy uses some foul language. F words and such.

wWataSs3cSQ

Thought some of you would want to check it out.

Shannon
20th September 2015, 21:59
Video of guy who took 13 pages or notes on Kerry's Interview with Shane, and has a long critical analysis of Shane's story. I'm listening now. So far he's doing a sound job of being objective and using critical thinking skills. A bit of a review of Shane's story according to the Interview posted in the OP.

WARNING: the guy uses some foul language. F words and such.


wWataSs3cSQ

Thought some of you would want to check it out.


Man alive!..that guy was refreshing as all f*ck! Thank you :)

Shane
21st September 2015, 15:52
There is this funny misconception that the info I share comes from the Illuminati.

The "intended audience" of the blog is the illuminati. Which means I am talking to the Illuminati members, not to the public.

Which indicates that what I am saying isn't what the illuminati believe, or what they educate members on. What I believe is not what they believe and what I have experienced goes beyond what they had shown me.

Which invalidates a lot of the comments I receive.

The reason I'm not running around countering all these things is (I watched five to ten minutes of that mans video and could correct his assumptions several times in that short period) 1) I'd prefer people make their own choices and so, I do not take exception to their choices even when they are negative towards or "against" myself. 2) It a luxury of being honest and having conviction which allows me to not be concerned with what others think about what I have said.

When I read something I believe to be a distraction or false or fabricated.. I ignore it and devote my energy in all ways to something else.

I hope others can learn to do the same.

When it comes to the Draco/ Annunaki story, I have discussed this with these races, and several others, directly so you will have to forgive me if what Sitchin or Chris Thomas says doesn't really take top priority for myself.

With love and respect,

turiya
22nd September 2015, 12:57
Thank you for coming forth with that bit of information of where you get the notion of what part of our human history that these dracos - reptilians have played a part in. The Zecharia Sitchin information has not played in any part of you Illuminati education / training / programming. I got it!

So this 13,000 year-old & 26,000 year-old history information comes directly out of the mouths / minds of these ET Draco / Reptilian / Lizard characters & you just plainly "believe" them in whatever they tell you. Entities that have been the scourge of humanity, stepping across the bounds of the basic fundamental laws of this 'free will' Universe, lying, manipulating, cheating, kidnapping, raping individuals all along the way - in other words, everything they tell you about what part they've played in the history of humanity - and you just totally accept whatever it is that they tell you as the absolute truth.

Well Shane, this goes above & beyond going through any sort of MK-ultra, mind-control programming - if that were they case, then there would be some sensitivity, compassion for what that experience would entail. But what you are now saying, is it is plainly & simply being absolutely naive & gullible in believing whatever it is that they come forth & have said to you as being the truth. And you simply take in what they say as being true without ever questioning it. This in itself I find very troublesome.

Would this be what you are saying?

Again, I thank you, Shane, for coming forth with how you received this particular information about our past history.




There is this funny misconception that the info I share comes from the Illuminati.

The "intended audience" of the blog is the illuminati. Which means I am talking to the Illuminati members, not to the public.

Which indicates that what I am saying isn't what the illuminati believe, or what they educate members on. What I believe is not what they believe and what I have experienced goes beyond what they had shown me.

Which invalidates a lot of the comments I receive.

The reason I'm not running around countering all these things is (I watched five to ten minutes of that mans video and could correct his assumptions several times in that short period) 1) I'd prefer people make their own choices and so, I do not take exception to their choices even when they are negative towards or "against" myself. 2) It a luxury of being honest and having conviction which allows me to not be concerned with what others think about what I have said.

When I read something I believe to be a distraction or false or fabricated.. I ignore it and devote my energy in all ways to something else.

I hope others can learn to do the same.

When it comes to the Draco/ Annunaki story, I have discussed this with these races, and several others, directly so you will have to forgive me if what Sitchin or Chris Thomas says doesn't really take top priority for myself.

With love and respect,

Bill Ryan
22nd September 2015, 13:21
Video of guy who took 13 pages or notes on Kerry's Interview with Shane, and has a long critical analysis of Shane's story. I'm listening now. So far he's doing a sound job of being objective and using critical thinking skills. A bit of a review of Shane's story according to the Interview posted in the OP.

WARNING: the guy uses some foul language. F words and such.

Thought some of you would want to check it out.

I (as Shane did) watched a small portion of it :facepalm: — and didn't see any objectivity or critical thinking skills at all.

He said he was "trained" in these kinds of analysis... I saw no evidence of that whatsoever. Another internet character, really not very qualified to comment, seizing his 15 mins of fame. There are way too many of those these days.

Shane
22nd September 2015, 15:14
Hi turiya,

This is what I said:


When it comes to the Draco/ Annunaki story, I have discussed this with these races, and several others, directly

It comes from several sources. The authors you have mentioned are also considered as part of the whole.

With love and respect,

turiya
22nd September 2015, 16:16
Hi turiya,

This is what I said:


When it comes to the Draco/ Annunaki story, I have discussed this with these races, and several others, directly

It comes from several sources. The authors you have mentioned are also considered as part of the whole.

With love and respect,

So then, you would concur this as being second-had information that you have taken to be the truth, along with the Anu, Enki & Dracos having provided the genetic seeds of the human race information (i.e. being the creator-gods of humanity)? You repeated this information as if it was your very own knowledge & not something that you "believed" to be true, without clarifying that it was indeed a bit of "borrowed information" that you derived from other outside sources) - Anyways, this is how it came off, particularly within the Thomas Williams interview - as being your very own knowledge.

Again, thank you so much for providing answers to my inquiry.

Be well.

Bill Ryan
22nd September 2015, 17:43
So then, you would concur this as being second-hand information

This question I pose here is not intended to be defensive, or aggressive. :)

But it's interesting, and philosophical (or possibly even metaphysical). It may also be important.

And that is... what is first-hand information?

In other words, how do we know what we feel we know?

araucaria
22nd September 2015, 18:21
So then, you would concur this as being second-hand information

This question I pose here is not intended to be defensive, or aggressive. :)

But it's interesting, and philosophical (or possibly even metaphysical). It may also be important.

And that is... what is first-hand information?

In other words, how do we know what we feel we know?
An interesting question. Secondhand information comes to us through our ears (oral testimony) and eyes (something we read) and is filtered by our brain and gut, whereas firsthand info comes via direct experience… through our eyes and ears as filtered by our brain and gut.

If we take Shane’s explanation of triangulating (http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2005/03/18/journalism-transparency-and-triangulation/)several sources, then it might seem that secondhand information is more reliable than firsthand, unless you are triangulating your own data from multiple direct sources. But do we all do that all the time?

onawah
22nd September 2015, 19:21
Here is what Shane posted on his blog on the subject of the name "Annunaki" (just for the record, and to save time):


Sunday, July 12, 2015
Annunaki
The most confused name this writer knows.

As it has been presented to the public, this word simply means alien or extra terrestrial.

Others believe that the Draco are in fact this race.

With a slight variant on the name, the Annunaki, a race that created one of many versions of humanity, does indeed exist. Their story is much older than the most recent interpretations suggest. The most recent is a case of impersonation, by the Draco.

Many elements of this translation are correct and many are incorrect, but the source material itself is a Draco creation.

The word meaning "alien" has caused several races to address themselves as Annunaki when interacting with humans, confusing the name. A true race, with a very similar name, is being used as a model by the Draco.

The true Annunaki race lives on Nibiru. The Draco do not. These Annunaki once created a human species utilizing an older hominid from earth, the Draco manipulated an already existing human species.

Many have received contact with races who call themselves Annunaki and are then forced into arguments with people who know these translations as being a Draconian creation. This is unnecessary. The truth is in the middle.

This is a race of humanoids who look like us in a larger size. They are benevolent but apathetic or self-centered and they check in on this planet often despite having no authority beyond that gifted to them by the Draco. (This is changing of course)

They will have dealings with us again, as the transition sparks a brand new cycle.

Their true name is connected to the planet they come from and is not entirely dissimilar to the impersonated name which has become known also as alien.

Names, names, names..

Annunaki is not their name truly, and other races besides them have called themselves this. The Draco used both their name - with a slight twist - and their image. One of many clever little mind ****s.


The Draco have also completely erased the presence of some very close friends of the Annunaki. Many older versions of humans also associate with them often.


Apathetic? They are not cruel, very kind, but they do not meddle. They leave others to their own business, these days.

They do seem to contact those of you who have had close encounters with the Draco, which shows a slight bit of willingness to push back and assist. Yet they also have made some terrible, although honest mistakes when interfering with other races, and therefor they take a slightly stand-off approach to most other planets.


~We often find acceptance of the names that our enemies give to us in this physical reality. Funny that.~

Nannun- Anu - Iunaki.. Annunaki.

From:http://theruiner777.blogspot.com/2015/07/annunaki.html

turiya
22nd September 2015, 20:42
So then, you would concur this as being second-hand information

This question I pose here is not intended to be defensive, or aggressive. :)

But it's interesting, and philosophical (or possibly even metaphysical). It may also be important.

And that is... what is first-hand information?

In other words, how do we know what we feel we know?

Second-hand knowledge is that which is acquired from sources outside oneself: newspapers, magazines, books and other printed material. From television & radio programs, from lectures, discourses, movies, social networks / forums from other individuals that pass information on to another, to others, either in written form or by verbal communications. It is that which is normally acquired externally and assembled within one's own intellect, into one's own bio-computer, it forms the basis of the ego.

I would also include second-hand information which is acquired from entities that channel information to an individual(s) through various methods, Automatic Writing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_writing)would be one example. Hence, why I call it "borrowed knowledge" it is borrowed from others. Repeating what you've read or heard from someone else, is repeating that which is borrowed from another outside source.

First-hand knowledge is acquired through the process of ones own 'knowing', gnosis, that which arises from one's own Intuitive sense, meditation, revelation, vision. Information that is formed from within.

From a very young age, the knowledge implanted by the society, by a school system, found from television - with enough repetition, one comes to "believe" that this outside information - concepts, ideas, notions, intellectual understanding, etc., is one's very own. One grows up constantly bombarded by external knowledge, one comes to "believe" that this is one's very own knowledge. One will become identified with that 'outside knowledge'. One will misunderstand who he / she really is.

Truly Knowing oneself is to drop all that knowledge that one has acquired from outside of oneself, dropping all the knowledge that one has accumulated within their intellect. This is what meditation is all about - becoming clean of outside influences, notions & knowledge. Becoming an empty space within, and one prepares himself for 'knowing', having an experiential experience of 'knowing'.

Best regards


________________LATE ADD________________

P.S. The point of asking Shane in the way I did was to find out whether he acquired the information he put forth in that Thomas Williams interview (13,000 years-old & 26,000 years-old history, Anu, Enki, etc.) was to see if he acquired this information from second-hand sources, or if he got this from a first-hand intuitive experience. He expressed it as if it was his first-hand experience. But alas, he admitted that it came to him from second-hand sources.

onawah
22nd September 2015, 21:02
Following are some relevant (? though not really sure what's relevant anymore) comments the Ruiner made to questions and comments from the blog readers (not all the questions are copied here, as the answers make them obvious), re the same subject, " Annunaki":


AnonymousJuly 13, 2015 at 6:27 AM
Thanks again Ruiner.

If I understand it right, Draco is responsible from the situation we're in now (of course there's huge cooperation of humanity as being ignorant and asleep) and although Annunaki designed us in the first place, they are reluctant to interfere in our drama.

Draco is also responsible from roots of organised religion & new age movement to my knowledge. But here don't we see the naive & easy-confiding natüre of human beings? We are ready to beLIEve anything we've been told. And that never got our noses out of s*it it seems.

I wonder if it would change in short notice?

The RuinerJuly 13, 2015 at 1:13 PM
They designed an earlier version of human. Not our current version. Although some of their creation does exist within us.

Draco are responsible for the rest, yes.


AnonymousJuly 14, 2015 at 2:49 PM
I'm surprised no one has asked yet about confirmation of Nibiru. Is the Nibiru they call home (the "real" Annunaki) in our solar system, on a long elliptical orbit around our sun?

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The RuinerJuly 14, 2015 at 2:57 PM
Yes.

With respect,


The RuinerJuly 15, 2015 at 7:14 PM
The Archon are not dependent on the Draco. They were here before them, and will be here after them.

The only Quarantine the Draco have enforced is related to the one Son who will remain behind. Those who follow him have remained, but no other reinforcements are allowed to arrive and assist him.

With respect,





He (Enlil) is in a physical body, with a name. No fixed address, though.

With respect,


AnonymousJuly 19, 2015 at 5:34 PM
My questions are regarding your post re the Annunaki When you speak of “translations”, are you referring to books such as Z. Sitchin wrote? If so, are you saying that it was never the Annunaki but the Dracos who were the overlords of Sumer and the various other colonies that Sitchin said were created by the Annunaki, who mined gold in Africa, left when Nibiru was near at the time of the Flood, but later returned, etc etc.? If so, why would the Dracos do that? Are they any accurate histories of those times available?

Which race were you referring to as being apathetic on your first use of that word—the Annunaki? Are you saying that Anu, Enki and Enlil are not Annunaki, but Draco? Do the Draco, when they are "impersonating" the Annunaki, shapeshift to make themselves look more humanoid? Why would they do that?

Will the Annunaki be truthful in their dealings with humankind when they return, and let us know who they really are and why they are here?

You wrote: "Apathetic? They are not cruel, very kind, but they do not meddle. They leave others to their own business, these days." Are you referring to the Annunaki here? You used the word apathetic twice, but this second time it seems you are saying whoever it is you are referring to are NOT apathetic, whereas before you said they are. Are you contradicting yourself?

Are the Annunaki's visits to us determined to any extent by the location of Nibiru in relation to Earth? When will Nibiru be in closest proximity to us next, and will that affect Earth in any physical way, such as cataclysms, etc.? Has that actually happened before? Can the Annunaki control the planets' path?

Confused is right!
Thanks in advance for clearing this confusion up, if you will.

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The RuinerJuly 19, 2015 at 5:44 PM
Almost all of these questions are answered within the blog. The rest this writer does not have answer for.

With respect,


AnonymousJuly 20, 2015 at 12:26 AM
Almost? Would you consider answering the ones that aren't answered yet? Thank you.


AnonymousAugust 5, 2015 at 10:18 AM
I have a question for Simon Parkes which I hope to pose for him in the chatroom during his next show with Jay Pee on Sept 6th, on WolfSpiritRadio. The question pertains also to information from the Ruiner, so I'm posting it here as well. Here it is:
"What does Simon think about the information from the Blog of the Ruiner; specifically, that which says that it was the Draco who have actually done to Earth throughout our known history most of what has been attributed to the Annunaki in Zecharia Sitchin's books?
The Ruiner says that the Draco (and he numbers Anu, Enki and Enlil as Draconians, being the same father and son team we have come to think of as being Annunaki) have falsified our history to make it look like the Annunaki were the prime culprits; that the Annunaki have been involved in Earth affairs and made "mistakes" but that they are generally a kind race.
He says they will be returning here when Nibiru approaches again, and that Nibiru was never the cause of cataclysms on Earth
( that that was a cover story for a Draconian war, to shift the blame from the Dracos to the Annunaki).
But of course, we have also been told by many sources that the Annunaki are wolves in sheeps' clothing and plan to return as "friends" or "god" again, though most likely they haven't changed, and that we should beware of them. So now there is a double bind of questions/doubts.
Does Simon agree or disagree with the Ruiner's info and why?
When Simon was active on Project Avalon, I could never make out what he meant as to which group, the Annunaki or the Draco, were responsible for what.
He said the Dracos are very Reptilian appearing (he drew a picture of a Draco, which looks a lot like Godzilla), while he says the Annunaki are Reptilian, but more humanoid than the Dracos. (Presumably like the "winged god" figures we see depicted in Sumerian art, which could pass for human.)
But he called his "Dad" (who he described as being a Draco) Anu, which is, from most accounts, the name of the Annunaki king, the father of Enki and Enlil.

I'm sure I am not the only one who finds this confusing!!

I am asking Simon to please clarify and if he disagrees with The Ruiner's info, to please explain where and how their information differs and why he thinks there is this confusion/disagreement on such very basic information, as to who the Dracos are, who the Annunaki are, whether Anu, Enki and Enlil are Draconians or Annunaki, and which group is responsible for what."
If the Ruiner would care to share his thoughts on this as well, I would be most grateful. Thank you.

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The RuinerAugust 5, 2015 at 1:00 PM
One side you have the Draco version of events, the other you have an overview of all sides. Makes sense there will be differences.

With respect,


AnonymousAugust 5, 2015 at 7:00 PM
Thank you. I have a few more questions along the same lines, if you would be so kind...You stated earlier in the blog (in March) that the Avians assisted the Annunaki by distributing language and religion to different parts of the world. “In plain speak, they distributed the disinformation that would become the control system we know today. They attached themselves to the "god" RA and told humans they were the messenger of RA. They were doing this as part of an order made by the Annunaki. The Avians assisted the Annunaki by distributing language and religion to different parts of the world.”
In your later entries, you stated that the Annunaki are relatively benign (though apathetic) and took little part in this kind of (basically Draconian) activity, though they made “mistakes”; that it was actually the Draco who generally perpetrated these kinds of actions, masquerading as the Annunaki. Why did the Annunaki participate in that particular deception/control game--was it for their own benefit? Was the “messenger of Ra” deception one of the Annunaki's "mistakes" that later caused them to involve themselves less in the affairs of other races? Did the Draco have a part in that deception as well? Who was Ra? What is the relationship between the Annunaki and Draco like now? Thank you again.

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The RuinerAugust 5, 2015 at 7:03 PM
This blog you are commenting on clarifies that the Annunaki mentioned earlier are in fact the Draco. Knowing this clarification would come later, the original writing used Annunaki as the name.

With respect,


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AnonymousAugust 29, 2015 at 1:48 AM
I don't get it.... so you are saying that Draco called themselves Annunaki, impersonating that name, but they actually happened to have a king named Anu???

Were sons Enki and Enlil from Nibirian Annunaki or Draco Annunaki?

" Their true name is connected to the planet they come from and is not entirely dissimilar to the impersonated name which has become known also as alien."

If they are from Nibiru, that doesn't sound very connected to word Annunaki. What is the name connection here?

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The RuinerAugust 29, 2015 at 10:37 AM
Yes that is what I said. The name of the true Annunaki is not Annunaki, but rather another name, which is connected to their planet.

Those brothers are the sons of the Draco king.

With respect,

( This discussion just seems to go around and around in circles, which makes me wonder if it is all just designed to be a distraction, rather than to clear up the confusion.
Shane says the Draco have at times impersonated the Annunaki.
But if the Dracos actually look like the Reptilians that some have described, and the drawing Simon P. made as a child http://static.deathandtaxesmag.com/uploads/2013/08/DaddyParkes.jpg

...and the Annunaki look something like this: http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/np4fc513b6.jpg

... it seems like it would be very difficult for the Draco to "impersonate" the Annunaki. More like they might be using the Annunaki for their own agenda, and the latter must have been and be aware of that, if they are at all intelligent, which they no doubt are...

onawah
22nd September 2015, 21:30
I recommend this very thoughtful post from Limor: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84886-Simon-Parkes-The-Alien-Agenda-August-2015&p=1001806&viewfull=1#post1001806
...to also be read and considered within the context of this thread.

Shane
22nd September 2015, 21:36
Hi turiya,

This is what I said:


When it comes to the Draco/ Annunaki story, I have discussed this with these races, and several others, directly

It comes from several sources. The authors you have mentioned are also considered as part of the whole.

With love and respect,

So then, you would concur this as being second-had information that you have taken to be the truth, along with the Anu, Enki & Dracos having provided the genetic seeds of the human race information (i.e. being the creator-gods of humanity)? You repeated this information as if it was your very own knowledge & not something that you "believed" to be true, without clarifying that it was indeed a bit of "borrowed information" that you derived from other outside sources) - Anyways, this is how it came off, particularly within the Thomas Williams interview - as being your very own knowledge.

Again, thank you so much for providing answers to my inquiry.

Be well.

Noted and understood.

Everything that I hear (second hand) is weighed against what I can remember (first hand) and the result is what I have written.

With love and respect,

Paul
22nd September 2015, 21:57
So then, you would concur this as being second-had information that you have taken to be the truth ...
Most of what we know that is important is second hand, especially about matters larger than us. For unless we have been blessed (?) with the gifts of living for eons and traveling at will about the cosmos, we could not have been when it happened, where it happened, for much of what might matter to us that it happened.

That you repeatedly level this complaint of second-had information (bold and underling yours) as an accusation is however giving me first hand (if anything I read across the Internet can be so labeled) intuitions that your motives, in the moments you posted that, might have been more to cast shadows on another being than to join in searching for truths with that other. These, of course, might not be disjoint motives, for if one has concluded that the other being is leading us more away from truths than toward them, then one might determine to cast shadows on the other, the better to clear our common path toward truths. I have done just that myself, many times in the past.

Have you so concluded and determined, with regards to what Shane is allowing us to observe of his recent writings?

Hervé
22nd September 2015, 22:02
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... But alas, he admitted that it came to him from second-hand sources.


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This is what I said:

When it comes to the Draco/ Annunaki story, I have discussed this with these races, and several others, directly
Everything that I hear (second hand) is weighed against what I can remember (first hand) and the result is what I have written. Very unfair and untrue addition/edition, IMO.

turiya
23rd September 2015, 04:45
So then, you would concur this as being second-had information that you have taken to be the truth ...
Most of what we know that is important is second hand, especially about matters larger than us. For unless we have been blessed (?) with the gifts of living for eons and traveling at will about the cosmos, we could not have been when it happened, where it happened, for much of what might matter to us that it happened.

That you repeatedly level this complaint of second-had information (bold and underling yours) as an accusation is however giving me first hand (if anything I read across the Internet can be so labeled) intuitions that your motives, in the moments you posted that, might have been more to cast shadows on another being than to join in searching for truths with that other. These, of course, might not be disjoint motives, for if one has concluded that the other being is leading us more away from truths than toward them, then one might determine to cast shadows on the other, the better to clear our common path toward truths. I have done just that myself, many times in the past.

Have you so concluded and determined, with regards to what Shane is allowing us to observe of his recent writings?

On the contrary, Paul, most of what we DON’T know is found from second-hand sources. This is why someone would be in search of such second-hand knowledge. From there it becomes an "intellectual knowing". Because if we truly ‘know’ something, then there is no need to go in search of it. If it is not found from direct experience, then one finds it indirectly from second-hand source.

For example, “beliefs” come from second-hand sources. Beliefs are derived from second-hand sources. A ‘belief’ in God is adopted because of the lack of having the direct experience of God, in the lack of ‘knowing’ God. “Beliefs” are a substitute for “knowing” God and/or whatever. The belief that humanity is the creation of an alien / ET race of gods is such a belief. It is based on information derived from a source that is second-hand, borrowed, written by someone else, found in books, etc. Your second statement is the impetus as to why I made my inquiry with Shane.

For what he said during the Thomas Williams interview regarding the 13,000 year-old history & 26,000 year-old history regarding Anu / Enki etc, without clarifying the source from where he gets this information from, it is left to the listener to take what he says as his first-hand information. He is saying something that he ‘knows’ – that he was there at the time to ‘know’ this for a fact. Or perhaps, is reflecting on a past-life memory of it. And to leave his statements as such, most listeners would accept it being truth, that it is the truth about our human history. If he would have been made clear that it is NOT true first-hand information but a borrowed knowledge of which many have formed a belief of – not everyone has, but many have. All Shane had to say to clarify was this, “From what I’ve heard…”, then the clarity of what he follows with is established. Granted, most would not be specific as such.

I have my own reason for asking for clarity. It has nothing to do with, as you put it, a complaint. This is your misinterpretation of what was said. Saying that I have “repeatedly leveled a complaint” is simply not true. It is your embellishment of what is actually stated. How do you see it as a complaint? Please don’t go over the deep-end and make up what is not there. The underlining of “second-hand information” is simply to make the distinction to Shane, as he obviously appears to be not be aware of the distinction & mixing these two types of knowledge together as being one & the same – borrowed information from others, and one’s own knowledge that arises from within oneself, intuitively. They are distinctly two different kinds of knowledge.

The rest of what you have stated is totally unclear as to what you are alluding to. It seems you have unknowingly twisted what I’ve said into something that you have interpreted on your own. BTW, this is typically an example of one of the problems that comes with reading, imbibing, listening to second-hand information. It is often misinterpreted / re-interpreted by those that are on the receiving end of reading, or of the listening to something said, written, orated by another – in this case by the reader.

Best regards

turiya
23rd September 2015, 04:57
[...]

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... But alas, he admitted that it came to him from second-hand sources.


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This is what I said:

When it comes to the Draco/ Annunaki story, I have discussed this with these races, and several others, directly
Everything that I hear (second hand) is weighed against what I can remember (first hand) and the result is what I have written. Very unfair and untrue addition/edition, IMO.



I think that Shane has explained himself well enough to what I have commented on.
Your opinion is duly noted. And doesn't need any comment on my part.

Peace out!

araucaria
23rd September 2015, 06:13
The trouble with your distinction between first- and secondhand information, turiya, is that it merely emphasizes how your own contributions are mostly of the second type, such as whenever you bring Chris Thomas to the table, which you tend to do a great deal. Even if you and Thomas were the same person, it would still be “Thomas” filtered through the mouthpiece “turiya”. On the other hand, since you are probably not, then we will only start getting the distinctive “turiya” contribution when you start talking from a perspective that is precisely not Chris Thomas’s.

I fear you are taking Shane to task for something that you are doing yourself. The alternative I was suggesting is the only way I can find to get anything out of your posts, which also means I have to find value in Shane’s as well. It is to drop this distinction altogether, which is ultimately based on a separation between self and others that is outmoded when one is thinking in terms of building a greater collective self. Apart from a tiny individual spark, the smaller self is entirely built up of secondhand input anyway, not just the negative but the positive as well. All we are as individuals is transceivers passing on slightly – and interestingly – distorted versions of the same info. It is all umpteenth-hand info – which is part of, if not the whole problem – and the idea of claiming anything remotely approaching originality is highly presumptuous, savior-syndrome ego talk.

Becky
23rd September 2015, 08:35
Following are some relevant (? not even sure what's relevant anymore) comments the Ruiner made to questions and comments from the blog readers (not all the questions are copied here, as the answers make them obvious), re the same subject, " Annunaki":


AnonymousJuly 13, 2015 at 6:27 AM
Thanks again Ruiner.

If I understand it right, Draco is responsible from the situation we're in now (of course there's huge cooperation of humanity as being ignorant and asleep) and although Annunaki designed us in the first place, they are reluctant to interfere in our drama.

Draco is also responsible from roots of organised religion & new age movement to my knowledge. But here don't we see the naive & easy-confiding natüre of human beings? We are ready to beLIEve anything we've been told. And that never got our noses out of s*it it seems.

I wonder if it would change in short notice?

The RuinerJuly 13, 2015 at 1:13 PM
They designed an earlier version of human. Not our current version. Although some of their creation does exist within us.

Draco are responsible for the rest, yes.


AnonymousJuly 14, 2015 at 2:49 PM
I'm surprised no one has asked yet about confirmation of Nibiru. Is the Nibiru they call home (the "real" Annunaki) in our solar system, on a long elliptical orbit around our sun?

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The RuinerJuly 14, 2015 at 2:57 PM
Yes.

With respect,


The RuinerJuly 15, 2015 at 7:14 PM
The Archon are not dependent on the Draco. They were here before them, and will be here after them.

The only Quarantine the Draco have enforced is related to the one Son who will remain behind. Those who follow him have remained, but no other reinforcements are allowed to arrive and assist him.

With respect,





He (Enlil) is in a physical body, with a name. No fixed address, though.

With respect,


AnonymousJuly 19, 2015 at 5:34 PM
My questions are regarding your post re the Annunaki When you speak of “translations”, are you referring to books such as Z. Sitchin wrote? If so, are you saying that it was never the Annunaki but the Dracos who were the overlords of Sumer and the various other colonies that Sitchin said were created by the Annunaki, who mined gold in Africa, left when Nibiru was near at the time of the Flood, but later returned, etc etc.? If so, why would the Dracos do that? Are they any accurate histories of those times available?

Which race were you referring to as being apathetic on your first use of that word—the Annunaki? Are you saying that Anu, Enki and Enlil are not Annunaki, but Draco? Do the Draco, when they are "impersonating" the Annunaki, shapeshift to make themselves look more humanoid? Why would they do that?

Will the Annunaki be truthful in their dealings with humankind when they return, and let us know who they really are and why they are here?

You wrote: "Apathetic? They are not cruel, very kind, but they do not meddle. They leave others to their own business, these days." Are you referring to the Annunaki here? You used the word apathetic twice, but this second time it seems you are saying whoever it is you are referring to are NOT apathetic, whereas before you said they are. Are you contradicting yourself?

Are the Annunaki's visits to us determined to any extent by the location of Nibiru in relation to Earth? When will Nibiru be in closest proximity to us next, and will that affect Earth in any physical way, such as cataclysms, etc.? Has that actually happened before? Can the Annunaki control the planets' path?

Confused is right!
Thanks in advance for clearing this confusion up, if you will.

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The RuinerJuly 19, 2015 at 5:44 PM
Almost all of these questions are answered within the blog. The rest this writer does not have answer for.

With respect,


AnonymousJuly 20, 2015 at 12:26 AM
Almost? Would you consider answering the ones that aren't answered yet? Thank you.


AnonymousAugust 5, 2015 at 10:18 AM
I have a question for Simon Parkes which I hope to pose for him in the chatroom during his next show with Jay Pee on Sept 6th, on WolfSpiritRadio. The question pertains also to information from the Ruiner, so I'm posting it here as well. Here it is:
"What does Simon think about the information from the Blog of the Ruiner; specifically, that which says that it was the Draco who have actually done to Earth throughout our known history most of what has been attributed to the Annunaki in Zecharia Sitchin's books?
The Ruiner says that the Draco (and he numbers Anu, Enki and Enlil as Draconians, being the same father and son team we have come to think of as being Annunaki) have falsified our history to make it look like the Annunaki were the prime culprits; that the Annunaki have been involved in Earth affairs and made "mistakes" but that they are generally a kind race.
He says they will be returning here when Nibiru approaches again, and that Nibiru was never the cause of cataclysms on Earth
( that that was a cover story for a Draconian war, to shift the blame from the Dracos to the Annunaki).
But of course, we have also been told by many sources that the Annunaki are wolves in sheeps' clothing and plan to return as "friends" or "god" again, though most likely they haven't changed, and that we should beware of them. So now there is a double bind of questions/doubts.
Does Simon agree or disagree with the Ruiner's info and why?
When Simon was active on Project Avalon, I could never make out what he meant as to which group, the Annunaki or the Draco, were responsible for what.
He said the Dracos are very Reptilian appearing (he drew a picture of a Draco, which looks a lot like Godzilla), while he says the Annunaki are Reptilian, but more humanoid than the Dracos. (Presumably like the "winged god" figures we see depicted in Sumerian art, which could pass for human.)
But he called his "Dad" (who he described as being a Draco) Anu, which is, from most accounts, the name of the Annunaki king, the father of Enki and Enlil.

I'm sure I am not the only one who finds this confusing!!

I am asking Simon to please clarify and if he disagrees with The Ruiner's info, to please explain where and how their information differs and why he thinks there is this confusion/disagreement on such very basic information, as to who the Dracos are, who the Annunaki are, whether Anu, Enki and Enlil are Draconians or Annunaki, and which group is responsible for what."
If the Ruiner would care to share his thoughts on this as well, I would be most grateful. Thank you.

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The RuinerAugust 5, 2015 at 1:00 PM
One side you have the Draco version of events, the other you have an overview of all sides. Makes sense there will be differences.

With respect,


AnonymousAugust 5, 2015 at 7:00 PM
Thank you. I have a few more questions along the same lines, if you would be so kind...You stated earlier in the blog (in March) that the Avians assisted the Annunaki by distributing language and religion to different parts of the world. “In plain speak, they distributed the disinformation that would become the control system we know today. They attached themselves to the "god" RA and told humans they were the messenger of RA. They were doing this as part of an order made by the Annunaki. The Avians assisted the Annunaki by distributing language and religion to different parts of the world.”
In your later entries, you stated that the Annunaki are relatively benign (though apathetic) and took little part in this kind of (basically Draconian) activity, though they made “mistakes”; that it was actually the Draco who generally perpetrated these kinds of actions, masquerading as the Annunaki. Why did the Annunaki participate in that particular deception/control game--was it for their own benefit? Was the “messenger of Ra” deception one of the Annunaki's "mistakes" that later caused them to involve themselves less in the affairs of other races? Did the Draco have a part in that deception as well? Who was Ra? What is the relationship between the Annunaki and Draco like now? Thank you again.

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The RuinerAugust 5, 2015 at 7:03 PM
This blog you are commenting on clarifies that the Annunaki mentioned earlier are in fact the Draco. Knowing this clarification would come later, the original writing used Annunaki as the name.

With respect,


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AnonymousAugust 29, 2015 at 1:48 AM
I don't get it.... so you are saying that Draco called themselves Annunaki, impersonating that name, but they actually happened to have a king named Anu???

Were sons Enki and Enlil from Nibirian Annunaki or Draco Annunaki?

" Their true name is connected to the planet they come from and is not entirely dissimilar to the impersonated name which has become known also as alien."

If they are from Nibiru, that doesn't sound very connected to word Annunaki. What is the name connection here?

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The RuinerAugust 29, 2015 at 10:37 AM
Yes that is what I said. The name of the true Annunaki is not Annunaki, but rather another name, which is connected to their planet.

Those brothers are the sons of the Draco king.

With respect,

( This discussion just seems to go around and around in circles, which makes me wonder if it is all just designed to be a distraction, rather than to clear up the confusion.
Shane says the Draco have at times impersonated the Annunaki.
But if the Dracos actually look like the Reptilians that some have described, and the drawing Simon P. made as a child http://static.deathandtaxesmag.com/uploads/2013/08/DaddyParkes.jpg

...and the Annunaki look something like this: http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/np4fc513b6.jpg

... it seems like it would be very difficult for the Draco to "impersonate" the Annunaki. More like they would be using the Annunaki for their own agenda, and the latter must have been and be aware of that, if they are at all intelligent.

Wes Penre says that the Annunaki - or in his description, the Sirian overlords who have the stocky humanoid figures with curly beards even though they are 1/2 reptilian and 1/2 wolfine (if i understood correctly!)... well they can shapeshift into anything they like, and apparently they did like to shapeshift into the typical Draco reptilian shape. This made it all very confusing.

Becky
23rd September 2015, 08:38
What confuses me is that Wes describes Anu and being the humanoid stocky Sirian overlord with the curly beard...and Simon Parkes and others describe Anu as being white skinned, red eyed Royal Draco reptilian. Seing as Anu appears to be such a key figure in the manipulation of Human history, it would be good to understand who or what he really was/is.


Maybe he's just a nasty 4th Dimensional character who can change his shape and lives for 100's of 1000's of years, as do his sons Enki and Enlil. Though again, according to Wes Penre, Enlil is Anu's biological son and Enki, the master geneticist and manipulator is actually Anu's step son from his arranged marriage to the Queen of Orion (another reptilian type but supposedly more connected to the Creator and divine feminine, though she too sound very controlling and cruel).

This is why these 2 brothers, or step brothers, have such a love/hate relationship. Both of them are reptilian in nature, though not Draco, although they too can shapeshift and chose the Draco image. So it's no wonder we are confused!! They are all doing what they can to manipulate and control and confuse us human beings and use planet Earth for their own means.

KiwiElf
23rd September 2015, 08:44
So then, you would concur this as being second-hand information

This question I pose here is not intended to be defensive, or aggressive. :)

But it's interesting, and philosophical (or possibly even metaphysical). It may also be important.

And that is... what is first-hand information?

In other words, how do we know what we feel we know?


Which comes down to,... what do we base our "knowledge", beliefs and opinions on, exactly? As I "believe" some would possibly agree, there is no "right" or "wrong" answer to this; perhaps it's largely an individual's subjective reality/perspective, based on what they have so far learned (and in many cases, difficult, if not impossible to "prove").

turiya
23rd September 2015, 12:15
The trouble with your distinction between first- and secondhand information, turiya, is that it merely emphasizes how your own contributions are mostly of the second type, such as whenever you bring Chris Thomas to the table, which you tend to do a great deal. Even if you and Thomas were the same person, it would still be “Thomas” filtered through the mouthpiece “turiya”. On the other hand, since you are probably not, then we will only start getting the distinctive “turiya” contribution when you start talking from a perspective that is precisely not Chris Thomas’s.

I fear you are taking Shane to task for something that you are doing yourself. The alternative I was suggesting is the only way I can find to get anything out of your posts, which also means I have to find value in Shane’s as well. It is to drop this distinction altogether, which is ultimately based on a separation between self and others that is outmoded when one is thinking in terms of building a greater collective self. Apart from a tiny individual spark, the smaller self is entirely built up of secondhand input anyway, not just the negative but the positive as well. All we are as individuals is transceivers passing on slightly – and interestingly – distorted versions of the same info. It is all umpteenth-hand info – which is part of, if not the whole problem – and the idea of claiming anything remotely approaching originality is highly presumptuous, savior-syndrome ego talk.

I would disagree. The distinction should be brought to the fore more often than it is.
Perhaps you haven’t noticed, araucaria, or maybe you prefer not to notice...
I usually make it quite clear from where the information comes from. This is why you say “whenever I bring Chris Thomas to the table…” This is because I make it clear that its not my first-hand knowledge.

Here’s another of my post replies to awakeningmom…


The problem with Chris Thomas' theory on time-traveling tricksters is that, if given any credence, then there's just no point in spending any time trying to figure out our true history. Researchers like Graham Hancock and alternative archeologists like Michael Cremo might as well give up, since much of the ancient relics or structures they are uncovering are just as likely to have been planted by time traveling bad guys with an agenda to steer us off course than evidence of a true alternative history that has been hidden from us. Under Thomas' theory, the Nag Hammadi could have easily been planted too, so there goes the whole Gnostic-Archon "fantasy."
This is getting so exhausting.The response provided was as follows:

That's right 'mom'. Until you & the rest of us are fully awakened beings, then the story will be just that - a story. So, don't 'believe' in what anybody says. This is even what the awakened ones have said... Buddha himself has said it, "if you meet me on the road, then cut my head." Means, don't even 'believe' in what he says, trusting in oneself is all that is needed.

araucaria
23rd September 2015, 13:36
The trouble with your distinction between first- and secondhand information, turiya, is that it merely emphasizes how your own contributions are mostly of the second type, such as whenever you bring Chris Thomas to the table, which you tend to do a great deal. Even if you and Thomas were the same person, it would still be “Thomas” filtered through the mouthpiece “turiya”. On the other hand, since you are probably not, then we will only start getting the distinctive “turiya” contribution when you start talking from a perspective that is precisely not Chris Thomas’s.

I fear you are taking Shane to task for something that you are doing yourself. The alternative I was suggesting is the only way I can find to get anything out of your posts, which also means I have to find value in Shane’s as well. It is to drop this distinction altogether, which is ultimately based on a separation between self and others that is outmoded when one is thinking in terms of building a greater collective self. Apart from a tiny individual spark, the smaller self is entirely built up of secondhand input anyway, not just the negative but the positive as well. All we are as individuals is transceivers passing on slightly – and interestingly – distorted versions of the same info. It is all umpteenth-hand info – which is part of, if not the whole problem – and the idea of claiming anything remotely approaching originality is highly presumptuous, savior-syndrome ego talk.

I would disagree. The distinction should be brought to the fore more often than it is.
Perhaps you haven’t noticed, araucaria, or maybe you prefer not to notice...
I usually make it quite clear from where the information comes from. This is why you say “whenever I bring Chris Thomas to the table…” This is because I make it clear that its not my first-hand knowledge.

Here’s another of my post replies to awakeningmom…


The problem with Chris Thomas' theory on time-traveling tricksters is that, if given any credence, then there's just no point in spending any time trying to figure out our true history. Researchers like Graham Hancock and alternative archeologists like Michael Cremo might as well give up, since much of the ancient relics or structures they are uncovering are just as likely to have been planted by time traveling bad guys with an agenda to steer us off course than evidence of a true alternative history that has been hidden from us. Under Thomas' theory, the Nag Hammadi could have easily been planted too, so there goes the whole Gnostic-Archon "fantasy."
This is getting so exhausting.The response provided was as follows:

That's right 'mom'. Until you & the rest of us are fully awakened beings, then the story will be just that - a story. So, don't 'believe' in what anybody says. This is even what the awakened ones have said... Buddha himself has said it, "if you meet me on the road, then cut my head." Means, don't even 'believe' in what he says, trusting in oneself is all that is needed.
Thank you turiya. Even as you make this distinction between first- and secondhand information, you get no mileage out of it. You merely admit that Shane, who is completely open here, is doing no more than what you yourself do much of the time. The more you stress the importance of firsthand, the more you recourse to secondhand – here by quoting Buddha, who was the very embodiment of this paradox, teaching people that they don’t need teachers. Cut off my head: it can be pretty suicidal, cf. Jesus. And understandably so: if the message is Don’t listen to me, then you would get a more convincing demonstration of that from an autist. Awakeningmom has a point: a talkative Buddha will tie you in knots because he is also saying Don’t listen to me when I say Don’t listen to me, etc. etc. And the same goes for Chris Thomas. Off with his head I say :)

But that isn’t the message; the message is Don’t put me on a pedestal, and then we can talk on an equal footing. Which we have to do because individual enlightenment is not what it is about: we are all in this together. But… don’t listen to me.

Paul
23rd September 2015, 14:41
Because if we truly ‘know’ something
You are using the word 'know' differently than I am, as you well know, hence why you quoted it.

There are standards for knowing (my use of the word) things, events and affairs outside of ourselves, that are important to how we manage our own lives and affairs. Such knowing of what you demean as second-hand information is important, even if, in your use of the word 'know', we can't really know it.

For that matter, both forms of knowing, what you label first-hand and second-hand, are subject to confusions and errors. Neither is perfect, both are essential, in their own ways.

Holding someone who is reporting on external affairs outside of our own experience to the standards of the inner knowledge that you label first-hand is misguided. Should I refuse medical care from an ambulance medic because she has poor taste in hairstyles, or computer repairs from a technician because he wears socks that don't match in color? There are many areas of understanding and expertise, and to reject someone's possible expertise in some area for the primary reason that they lack expertise in some other, irrelevant, area, is nonsense.

Judge not the reporter of alleged events between powerful beings on this planet on the grounds that he is not exclusively reporting on what you personally might have first hand awareness of ... that's nonsense.

greybeard
23rd September 2015, 15:36
I believe this to be so, or in my considered opinion---or this could be true would seem to be a safer way of expressing.
There are many things that a culture believes, as in the much over used expressions---its common knowledge or everybody knows.
Another culture may see it quite differently.
Basically language is not like simple mathematics---there are things that may be implied in a sentence that the grammatically correct interpretation may not fully cover.
Anyway live and let live.

Chris

LittleTree
23rd September 2015, 19:04
Love This! Thank YOU!

Paul
23rd September 2015, 20:39
Basically language is not like simple mathematics
Mathematics gains its certitude by relentlessly removing all identifiable uncertainty ... a useful tool, but like all tools, useful only in particular ways.

greybeard
23rd September 2015, 21:26
Basically language is not like simple mathematics
Mathematics gains its certitude by relentlessly removing all identifiable uncertainty ... a useful tool, but like all tools, useful only in particular ways.

Paul
This is probably off topic but as in spiritual parlance
The Self is revealed by relentlessly removing all obstructions, by the use of Self enquiry.
Starts with "Who had this thought?
The answer being "I did"
Next question "What am I?
The "I" can not be found no matter how relentless the search.
Through elimination---I am not this!!!! not This--so what am I?
You would have to take into account triangulation---innumerable reference points from sages over thousands of years.
They say you are "One without a second." No separation.
Science seem to be coming up with this now,

Regards Chris

Ps Shane might possibly agree--Im not assuming this to be absolutely true, smiling.

turiya
23rd September 2015, 21:33
You are using the word 'know' differently than I am, as you well know, hence why you quoted it. I know this is getting a bit off topic. But anyways.

Again, you are imposing your interpretation of what has been written - something to pay attention to, Paul, I would suggest. Make it a meditation. :thumbsup:

I don't have a problem with the two directions that are implied with the usage of the word 'knowledge'. But hey, I got a good idea. Since you are having a bit of a difficulty with this word & moving between the two directions that it moves - inside & outside. To better make a distinction between the two, let’s use the words ‘knowing’ in reference to inner knowing, and ‘knowledge’ in reference to the outside accumulation of worldly knowledge that helps you keep you world better organized, getting up in the morning, driving your car to work (oh yeah, that's right, you probably work at home on a computer).

Better to use the verb form ‘knowing’ as it retains a flexibility, whereas nouns 'knowledge' tend to get frozen like concrete, it can reflect the quality of mind, as in one's rigid way of thinking, of having not an open mind but a closed mind, getting older & having a stiffer body. Mind in itself has a tendency to attach itself to that which it is familiar with. Hence the reason why individuals generally have difficulties in accepting change. Why paradigms are difficult to break out of. Its because of the identification in outwardly accumulated 'knowledge', things, places, presidential candidates, football teams and other worldly matters.

The verb form has an arrow that points inwardly. The noun form points outwardly to worldly things. This will make it more possible to flow better to consider ‘knowing’ as always changing – as with growth in consciousness. Then one is able to move more easily between the two word uses – regarding inner knowing, and regarding accumulation of outside worldly knowledge.

cheers.

Valley
23rd September 2015, 22:03
I'm checking back into this thread briefly... and still see nothing new from 'Shane' or anyone else that even slightly changes my mind about the authenticity of this 'story'. I still see no reason to 'buy into' it, at all... But I do see more confirmation of why I'm not interested in following this and other 'Ruiner' threads... mostly arguing (division) being propogated. My feeling is that this is the goal of this 'Ruiner' material... To misguide, confuse, distract, and divide the 'questioning community'.

To each their own... But for me this 'material' is pure 'hogwash'.

Blessings...

Paul
23rd September 2015, 22:11
To better make a distinction between the two, let’s use the words ‘knowing’ in reference to inner knowing, and ‘knowledge’ in reference to the outside accumulation of worldly knowledge that helps you keep you world better organized, getting up in the morning, driving your car to work (oh yeah, that's right, you probably work at home on a computer).
Which word(s) we use is a detail. It seemed to me that you were criticizing Shane for providing what you termed "second-hand information", as if that were less worthy than "first-hand" information. For example, you wrote "Because if we truly ‘know’ something, then there is no need to go in search of it."

Of course, much of what Shane provides is "second-hand" ... he could not be everywhere, for all times, of importance in the history and current affairs that he relates.