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witchy1
29th November 2010, 11:36
Hi all, we all know we have this capability, but it looks like science is catching up (I cant by the way, and would like to learn if anyone can show me)

ScienceDaily (Nov. 19, 2010) Using a new brain-computer training approach, 14 volunteers learned in only six minutes how to move a screen cursor with their thoughts. Near-instant feedback helped the people quickly master some of their own brain responses......
Researchers have developed a speedier system that allows people to control a cursor with thought alone. Studies show that when people and animals are given feedback about their brain signals, they can gain some control over those signals. It's now possible to acquire that feedback faster than ever before -- in "real time" -- using functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), which registers blood flow in active brain regions.

"For most of us, most of the time, the ongoing activity of the brain is hidden and not under voluntary control," said lead author Anna Rose Childress, PhD, of the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine. "Brain feedback studies are changing this long-standing, one-way relationship..........."

"The rapid augmentation of activity during this type of learning bears testimony to the remarkable plasticity of the brain as it learns to control a non-biological device," Rao said.
After less than 10 minutes of training, two of the subjects also reported they no longer had to imagine moving the body part and could just think about moving the cursor.......

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2jeBuu/www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090429091624.htm

Thanks to Salv8tion for heading me in this direction - I will persue further

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6924-Study-That-Proves-Mind-Can-Control-Change-Matter

Strat
29th November 2010, 18:59
I think this is similar to the method of using bio-feedback in treating children with ADD/ADHD.

What they do is hook an EEG up to the kid, and put them in front of a computer that's hooked up to the EEG. There will be a game that is say, a plane that flies up and down. Normally, a child with ADD/ADHD will have abnormally high brain activity and the EEG will pick up on this. So when the game starts the EEG is reading the kids brain activity as abnormally high and will translate that through the computer and the plane will fly high. Then the child tries to relax his/her mind and when he/she does, the EEG picks up on this and the plane will descend a bit. If the child gets too excited, the EEG picks up on this and the plane will ascend.

The set up they are suggesting here is using an fMRI instead of an EEG. The idea is the same though, the fMRI is essentially a translation hardware. The idea here is to show the potential for highly advanced hardware for disabled people. They are suggesting that one day maybe we could put a helmet on a paralyzed person and they could manipulate robotic arms, communicate, etc, with their mind.

grannyfranny100
29th November 2010, 19:41
Wow, now here is a great use of technology. Thanks Strat

Granny Franny

shadowstalker
29th November 2010, 22:48
They used that tech on an ep. of HOUSE recently

witchy1
29th November 2010, 23:03
Here is a link to the gadget thanks to Carmody in the thread above. I so want one of these - but they only send to the states!!! Might send them an email

I'm thinking that the very next and soon to be toy for improving one's mind is going to be software and feedback systems tied to this: http://www.ted.com/talks/tan_le_a_he...rainwaves.html (http://www.ted.com/talks/tan_le_a_headset_that_reads_your_brainwaves.html)

Buy the hardware:
http://www.emotiv.com/ (http://www.emotiv.com/)

Beth
29th November 2010, 23:25
:offtopic: Anyone's cursor ever go crazy all over the screen without even having your hand on the mouse?

witchy1
29th November 2010, 23:59
Anyone's cursor ever go crazy all over the screen without even having your hand on the mouse?

YES.... I thinks its possessed at times. So I grab the mouse and sign swear words with it. lol.

shadowstalker
30th November 2010, 00:02
Usually it happens with laser mouse that is in contact with a reflective or semi reflective surface.
But if your like me it's because your aura is fluxing for some reason.
I am upset then the electronic go wacko on me at times, my dad said I have been doing that since i was a kid.

witchy1
30th November 2010, 00:05
Hi Shadowstalker, I know what you mean - like watches that go backwards and stuff. The jug turning itself on...sorry off topic

astrid
30th November 2010, 00:40
Witchy this is bio-feedback related , and i can vouch that it works very well as i've been undergoing it myself for a good 6 months now , for ADD and PTSD related issues. Its non- drug and its permanent.

The brain is truely an amazing organ its only more recently that studies have proven its plasticity.

If u can look up a book called " The brain the changes it self" its very interesting........

witchy1
30th November 2010, 00:50
Hi Atrid thanks. I definately will. Do you have a machine - if so where do you get it. The one above is $200. and only availabe in the states
Thanks in anticipation

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http://www.normandoidge.com/normandoidge/MAIN.html

shadowstalker
30th November 2010, 00:50
Hi Atrid thanks. I definately will. Do you have a machine - if so where do you get it. The one above is $200. and only availabe in the states
Thanks in anticipation

http://www.iproducts.ws/biofeedback_machines.htm

witchy1
30th November 2010, 00:54
Excerpt from the book
"In the course of my travels I met a scientist who enabled people who had been blind since birth to begin to see, another who enabled the deaf to hear; I spoke with people who had had strokes decades before and had been declared incurable, who were helped to recover with neuroplastic treatments; I met people whose learning disorders were cured and whose IQs were raised; I saw evidence that it is possible for eighty-year-olds to sharpen their memories to function the way they did when they were fifty-five. I saw people rewire their brains with their thoughts, to cure previously incurable obsessions and traumas. I spoke with Nobel laureates who were hotly debating how we must rethink our model of the brain now that we know it is ever changing."

witchy1
30th November 2010, 01:01
Hi Shadowstalker, do you know if this allow you to control your brainwaves such that it will effect outside matter????? such as in the one in Carmodys link. I can make my hands sweat (I think everyone can do this), but want to take it to the next level.
I also believe that we NEED to be able to control our thoughts - (as we mostly just let it run amok) for future events, and think that this might just be the way to acheive that.:-)

shadowstalker
30th November 2010, 01:10
Hi Shadowstalker, do you know if this allow you to control your brainwaves such that it will effect outside matter????? such as in the one in Carmodys link. I can make my hands sweat (I think everyone can do this), but want to take it to the next level.
I also believe that we NEED to be able to control our thoughts - (as we mostly just let it run amok) for future events, and think that this might just be the way to acheive that.:-)

they have many different products, check out the link

Strat
30th November 2010, 01:37
Hi Shadowstalker, do you know if this allow you to control your brainwaves such that it will effect outside matter????? such as in the one in Carmodys link. I can make my hands sweat (I think everyone can do this), but want to take it to the next level.
I also believe that we NEED to be able to control our thoughts - (as we mostly just let it run amok) for future events, and think that this might just be the way to acheive that.:-)

Here's a product very similar to what shadowstalker linked you to http://webideas.com/biofeedback/calmlink/
As I understand it, it works similar to a polygraph.

I would like to make a further comment as well:
Yes it will assist you in controlling brain activity. When it comes to manipulating matter with your mind, that's all on you. The machine won't help you in that sense. However, I imagine telekineses is easier when your mind is clear.

Think of this, when you're stressed it's because you are thinking about something that is stressing you out. A result of that is a faster heart rate and a bunch of other stuff that I don't know about (to be frank). This machine detects "all that other stuff" and tells your PC. It's actually in it's own sense just a complicated mouse/keyboard/controller. You are controlling it through your blood pressure, which is controlled by your mind. Therefore it's not like you are using telekineses (I swear I'm usually not a buzz kill).

That being said, it absolutely has it's uses. If meditation isn't for you then this machine may work wonders. Hell, even if you do meditate you may still want/like it.

Regarding making your hands sweat I believe that is normal. I do three different forms of meditation. One for stress, one for a clear mind, and one for healing. The one I do for healing makes me physically hot, and sweat all over to the point of needing to shower.

I once saw a documentary about monks (I want to say in Tibet) in training that were amazing at this. It would be cold outside and they were required to soak towels in water and drape it over their shoulders (they weren't wearing shirts). They would then meditate till their bodies heated up to the point that they dried the towels with their body heat. They would have to take the towel to the instructor for his approval to confirm the towel is dried to pass the test. If you did some google digging maybe you can find this, but I saw this a really long time ago.

witchy1
30th November 2010, 12:10
I once saw a documentary about monks (I want to say in Tibet) in training that were amazing at this. It would be cold outside and they were required to soak towels in water and drape it over their shoulders (they weren't wearing shirts). They would then meditate till their bodies heated up to the point that they dried the towels with their body heat

Hi Strat, I remember that one....and had forgotten all about it. Thanks for the reminder. I have dreamed of moving stuff, but cant do it in real life - grrr. Its all about charging the power thru your hands. Thats about the only thing I remember other than its a large blue ball about the size of your hand.
I will check out the link
Thanks

Mayan2012
11th January 2011, 06:41
That day is here my friend, feast your eyes on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VPY1d2t_FE

Icecold
12th January 2011, 10:05
I recommend this product.....

http://www.wilddivine.com/meditation-products.html

The lightstone is a versatile biofeedback device. The Wild Divine software uses the lightstone to allow one to mentally interact with the software while teaching you some
practical meditation techniques..and its a lot of fun. LOL.

Also the lightstone can be used in tandem with Transparent Corp's BWE software.

http://www.transparentcorp.com/products/np/

I use the device for multiple applications in concert with AVS.

Alien Ramone
12th January 2011, 13:16
There is a PC game system out called Emotiv Epoc, which uses mind control for some of the games. Here is a link to some videos of it, a review of it, which lists some of the drawbacks, and a link to the web site where you can order it for $299. From the comments it sounds like brain waves for movements are the strongest, so moving the hands or thinking of moving the hands is the easiest way to move things on the screen, but after enough practice, the movements might not be necessary. The first video shows someone who has some physical disabilities playing one of the games:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HucKhwmenJY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59hgJlQ0tJI&playnext=1&list=PL0035D51E18CB70C6&index=13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RhwgbiIpRI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFiUcU1jkDg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxZbgWgnICk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvZpA9RNu4M
http://vimeo.com/12390881
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/01/27/review-emotiv-epoc-tough-thoughts-on-the-new-mind-reading-cont/
http://www.emotiv.com/

DeMeeee
30th January 2011, 22:30
Thank you for the vid's Alien Ramone.... inspiring! :cool: