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justntime2learn

16th January 2016, 16:10

Does anyone know or have any ideas on the ultimate intention of the FEMA camps ?

I remember seeing a post on Avalon similar to this video but nothing since .

Thanks in advance for any comments :heart:

VhMmETRhtzo

Karpos

16th January 2016, 16:31

mojo

16th January 2016, 16:32

Personally speaking will never go willingly. Here's why... the barbed wire on the fence is pointed in to keep people in not to keep others out. And the acronym FEMA wonder whos emergency is it?

robinr1

16th January 2016, 16:47

Matt P

16th January 2016, 17:06

They are for people with wild and paranoid imaginations...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a12805/4312850/
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/FEMA_concentration_camps

Google: fema camps debunked

and rest assured.

With all due respect, using Popular Mechanics to support your position does nothing, in my opinion, to give your argument any weight. Popular Mechanics also did a hit piece on 9/11 truth and have been proven a shill for the powers when they are called upon to be. Fool me once...
I didn't read your link and can't speak as an authority on the FEMA camps but I would NEVER trust Popular Mechanics for much of anything of real importance.
Knowing a little about FEMA's history doesn't exactly give me much trust in them and what they say, either.
As for the rationalwiki link, that's just an opinion like anyone else's. That is no authority.
And I'm just going to blindly trust the results corporate Google gives me and tells me to believe? The same Google in bed with our organized crime government?
No thanks.

Matt

regnak

16th January 2016, 17:19

disclaimer it is claimed the article may be a hoax ? :confused:

FEMA camps

FEMA’s First Concentration Camp Officially Opens In Arizona

http://nationalreport.net/femas-first-concentration-camp-officially-opens-arizona/

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has officially opened their first “Political Realignment Facility,” more famously known as a “concentration camp” or “death camp,” in an area southwest of Willcox, Arizona on Thursday, according to an official FEMA press release. The agency plans on opening another four such facilities in 2015, and plans to have twelve up and running before the 2016 elections.

('report' continues...)

Edit by Bill: Yes, this is a hoax. http://nationalreport.net is a satirical, fake news site. Nothing there should be taken seriously.

mojo

16th January 2016, 17:23

Pardon me for checking, but there seems to be a pattern to Karpos posts and wondering...did a rundown just the first 2 pages but it seems they are mostly contrary* to the OP or related to disinfo... there are just a few of what I would call "neutral."

*removed negative for better wording

justntime2learn

16th January 2016, 17:29

I'm serious as there seems to be a polarization (as you can already tell) on the subject and wanted everyone's opinion while using my discretion. I've identified with Matt And Mojo for over a year now.

Thanks for all of your opinions and I'm looking forward to seeing more :)

sommervr

16th January 2016, 18:00

They are for people with wild and paranoid imaginations...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a12805/4312850/
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/FEMA_concentration_camps

Google: fema camps debunked

and rest assured.

The disinfo on this site is usually a lot more subtle than this.

I don't know what the camps are for but they are designed to keep people in not out

ghostrider

16th January 2016, 19:43

At face value fema camps are for emergency situations where large amounts of people can live until what ever crisis that happens is handled ... after that who really knows their true purpose ... if nothing happens then fema camps are a HUGE waste of money and resources ...

Kryztian

16th January 2016, 20:53

Where ever your are in the government/secret government/cabal that controls the government (and all the levels in between), you've probably heard a different story, a different reason for FEMA camps.

I you aren't too deeply involved and don't have any security clearances related to FEMA, then you have been told that this is mostly for natural disasters (e.g. Hurricane Katrina, the next huge Earthquake) etc. If you work for FEMA and a mid or higher level and have a better overview of the systems that are involved, you have probably been told that there is some type of inevitable national situation coming - it could be a virus that may require large numbers of the population been quarantined, or may be that there will be terror attacks in the cities and huge numbers of people want to flee them and don't have a place to go.

Personally, I think there is even a darker more sinister reason and only a few really know what the real reason is (and I am not among them). Perhaps there are those that are more awake and aware and the secret Powers that Be want them segregated from the rest of the world. Or, perhaps there are some that have something in their DNA and need to be separated from the rest of the world. Or perhaps all those communications that the NSA has been intercepting and analyzing, perhaps that shows that there are some people are different, they may even be special souls who have incarnated here. Again, I don't know the real reason, but you have to understand that we are all being monitored and our differences are being measured and analyzed by the secret government, and when the time comes, we will all be treated differently, and for some of us, that will mean, being taken to FEMA camps if we can be located. Who knows if the FEMA camps will be a place of death, like Auschwitz, or if they will be a place of refuge. I think the latter is unlikely, and the only true place of refuge for the powerful will be underground, at Cheyene Mountain, and Stapleton Airport, or at their bases in the Ozarks, and other places.

Bill Ryan

16th January 2016, 20:57

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From http://infowars.com/leaked-u-s-army-document-outlines-plan-for-re-education-camps-in-america

Leaked U.S. Army Document Outlines Plan For Re-Education Camps In America

(the document is here: http://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf)

A leaked U.S. Army document prepared for the Department of Defense contains shocking plans for “political activists” to be pacified by “PSYOP officers” into developing an “appreciation of U.S. policies” while detained in prison camps inside the United States.

The document, entitled FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations (PDF (http://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf)) was originally released on a restricted basis to the DoD in February 2010, but has now been leaked online.

The manual outlines policies for processing detainees into internment camps both globally and inside the United States. International agencies like the UN and the Red Cross are named as partners in addition to domestic federal agencies including the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA.

The document makes it clear that the policies apply “within U.S. territory” and involve, “DOD support to U.S. civil authorities for domestic emergencies, and for designated law enforcement and other activities,” including “man-made disasters, accidents, terrorist attacks and incidents in the U.S. and its territories.”

The manual states, “These operations may be performed as domestic civil support operations,” and adds that “The authority to approve resettlement such operations within U.S. territories,” would require a “special exception” to The Posse Comitatus Act, which can be obtained via “the President invoking his executive authority.” The document also makes reference to identifying detainees using their “social security number.”

Aside from enemy combatants and other classifications of detainees, the manual includes the designation of “civilian internees,” in other words citizens who are detained for, “security reasons, for protection, or because he or she committed an offense against the detaining power.”

Once the detainees have been processed into the internment camp, the manual explains how they will be “indoctrinated,” with a particular focus on targeting political dissidents, into expressing support for U.S. policies.

The re-education process is the responsibility of the “Psychological Operations Officer,” whose job it is to design “PSYOP products that are designed to pacify and acclimate detainees or DCs to accept U.S. I/R facility authority and regulations,” according to the document.

The manual lists the following roles that are designated to the “PSYOP team”.

Identifies malcontents, trained agitators, and political leaders within the facility who may try to organize resistance or create disturbances.
Develops and executes indoctrination programs to reduce or remove antagonistic attitudes.
Identifies political activists.
Provides loudspeaker support (such as administrative announcements and facility instructions when necessary).
Helps the military police commander control detainee and DC populations during emergencies.
Plans and executes a PSYOP program that produces an understanding and appreciation of U.S. policies and actions.

Remember, this is not restricted to insurgents in Iraq who are detained in prison camps – the manual makes it clear that the policies also apply “within U.S. territory” under the auspices of the DHS and FEMA. The document adds that, “Resettlement operations may require large groups of civilians to be quartered temporarily (less than 6 months) or semipermanently (more than 6 months).”

The historical significance of states using internment camps to re-educate detainees centers around the fact that it is almost exclusively practiced by repressive and dictatorial regimes like the former Soviet Union and Stalinist regimes like modern day North Korea.

We have exhaustively documented preparations for the mass internment of citizens inside America, but this is the first time that language concerning the re-education of detainees, in particular political activists, has cropped up in our research.

In 2009, the National Guard posted (http://publicintelligence.net/national-guard-looking-for-internmentresettlement-specialists/) a number of job opportunities looking for “Internment/Resettlement Specialists” to work in “civilian internee camps” within the United States.

In December last year it was also revealed (http://www.prisonplanet.com/detention-camp-order-follows-preparations-for-civil-unrest.html) that Halliburton subsidiary KBR is seeking sub-contractors to staff and outfit “emergency environment” camps located in five regions of the United States.

In 2006, KBR was contracted by Homeland Security (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/kbr-awarded-homeland-security-contract-worth-up-to-385m) to build detention centers designed to deal with “an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S,” or the rapid development of unspecified “new programs” that would require large numbers of people to be interned.

Rex 84 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3010), short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was established under the pretext of a “mass exodus” of illegal aliens crossing the Mexican/US border, the same pretense used in the language of the KBR request for services.

During the Iran-Contra hearings in 1987, however, it was revealed that the program was a secretive “scenario and drill” developed by the federal government to suspend the Constitution, declare martial law, assign military commanders to take over state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens determined by the government to be “national security threats.”

Under the indefinite detention provision of the National Defense Authorization Act (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/jan/02/ndaa-historic-assault-american-liberty), which was signed by Barack Obama on New Year’s Eve, American citizens can be kidnapped and detained indefinitely without trial.

Read a portion of the Internment and Resettlement Operations manual below.

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/may2012/030512shot.jpg

The following portions of the document make it clear that the policies apply “within U.S. territory” (as well as abroad in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan) and that domestic federal agencies are involved.

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/may2012/030512shot4.jpg
http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/may2012/030512shot3.jpg

mojo

16th January 2016, 21:23

...find it interesting that initially FDR used the word "concentration" camp during WW2 for taking Japanese Americans but changed it to the politically correct "Internment" Camp... I think someone realized how similar it sounded to the Nazi camps. Things havent changed much...

Hazelfern

16th January 2016, 22:22

I logged into the forum thinking about the new tv show > Colony <
It is well done and very disturbing but very curious how the HomeLandSecurity buggers are wearing red hats.
Who else that we know wears red hats?

birddog

17th January 2016, 00:11

If the camps were for relocation, or some humanitarian reason, there would be no razor wire wrapped like it is. They wouldn't need all those plastic coffins there, and they wouldn't need crematoriums at some of the camps. They wouldn't need railroad
cars with shackles inside them, without windows, and gas attached to them. The tracks run to some of the camps. Someone in a very high position in our country just ordered one billion dollars worth of more plastic coffins. Someone must be thinking that a lot of people will die. This is a Nazi design, right our of history. There were pictures of these things on the internet.

Looking at the web sites, as I clicked on one of the above references, it says the camps are for refugees, and on the TV, it said they were for relocation.(Jessee Ventura TV program).

seah

17th January 2016, 02:05

They are for people with wild and paranoid imaginations...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a12805/4312850/
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/FEMA_concentration_camps

Google: fema camps debunked

and rest assured.

this response doesn't fly, not with me. Anything under the sun Can be 'debunked'. But as long as your happy, Karpos, that's what is important.

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They are for people with wild and paranoid imaginations...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a12805/4312850/
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/FEMA_concentration_camps

Google: fema camps debunked

and rest assured.

The disinfo on this site is usually a lot more subtle than this.

I don't know what the camps are for but they are designed to keep people in not out

this is my thinking, also. Karpos just sounds naive, not agent like :)

Dennis Leahy

17th January 2016, 04:39

Lifebringer

17th January 2016, 05:46

Well about four years ago a local channel in GA or MS wanted to do a interview about them outside the camps and filmed the infamous coffins lined all around on story high. Lots of video of people who drove to them and filmed them and like I said the media isn't given an answer about them also I think 60 minutes did one on them. Try key wording at Youtube and Wiki with "fema camp states" or "Fema camp coffins.":shielddeflect:

Karpos

17th January 2016, 05:47

I cant tell if youre serious. please advise... thank you

They are for people with wild and paranoid imaginations...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a12805/4312850/
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/FEMA_concentration_camps

Google: fema camps debunked

and rest assured.

I'm serious. The FEMA camps (http://isthatafemacamp.blogspot.ca/?m=1) thing is largely a hoax. The alleged camps have been investigated by skeptics, (http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/fema/list/) and shown to be normal everyday places. Some are prisoner and detainee processing camps, but nothing like supposed fema death camps. Go ahead and ignore the evidence that this is a hoax, and keep fueling a conspiracy that is used to make fools of people all too ready to believe anything that is anti government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AttUb_kkB4U

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The thing Bill posted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88243-What-are-FEMA-camps-for&p=1038370&viewfull=1#post1038370) is real though not as scary and definitely necessary...

http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/05/17/did-you-hear-the-one-about-u-s-internment-camps/

At the beginning of the Iraq war and even through the 2008 surge, there were few guidelines and regulations to help soldiers conduct these massive detention operations, according to a former military officer who conducted detainee operations in internment facilities in Iraq.

"I would have loved to have this [field manual] five years ago," he said. The vast majority of guidance in the manual is intended for use in foreign theaters, he said, noting that only a handful of paragraphs from the 326-page manual address domestic operations of any kind.

An Army spokesman, speaking on background, said the current spate of online postings had taken passages from the manual significantly out of context, conflating wartime operational guidance (such as psychological operations) with peacetime operations in which a limited number of the manual’s principals would be applied on U.S. soil, in exceptional cases such as during relief efforts after Hurricane Katrina.

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More on the Resettlement/Internment doc

https://ameristroika.wordpress.com/2012/05/05/addressing-us-internment-and-resettlement-the-not-so-secret-files/

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Ultimately, belief in FEMA detention camps requires one to conclude that nobody has ever escaped from one and told their story. It means believing that not one camp worker has breathed a word about his or her job. It requires assuming that not one of America’s 100 senators or 435 congressmen knows of the camps or, if they do, none is alarmed enough to call for hearings. It means believing that not a single ambitious journalist connected to a national media outlet has delved into this dastardly plan. And it requires one to assume that such innocuous things as the "FEMA Trucks" signs at the Maxwell AFB — in plain view of thousands of motorists — actually betray a terrible secret.[32]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEMA_camps_conspiracy_theory

Althena

17th January 2016, 12:08

http://media.makeameme.org/created/fema-camps-fema.jpg

regnak

17th January 2016, 12:49

Well, George Green was asked to build a FEMA camp in Las Vegas. See the interview, and in the book below the plans for the FEMA camp:

Watch Camelot's great interview with him:

http://projectcamelot.org/george_green.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSYXrWIA618

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSrg0IxHzI
(transcripts here (http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/george_green_interview_transcript_1_en.html) and here (http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/george_green_interview_transcript_2_en.html))

Chaos in America (http://www.amazon.com/Chaos-America-John-King/dp/1893157091)
By John L. King

As the turn of the century began, many companies were going under. 2001 escalated the companies in massive filings of bankruptcy. Polaroid, Montgomery Ward, Enron, K-Mart, WorldCom, United Airlines, Conseco and even Bethlehem Steel. There are no stocks left of the original DOW Jones 30, as the shell game in reporting to the unsuspecting country goes on. There has been 7 trillion dollars evaporated in peoples pensions, stock portfolios and other retirement programs.

Just as Wall Street is hoping for a reprieve, a new flood of multibillion dollar companies are heading for even larger bankruptcies. We are bound to see a recession that is more severe and unprecedented sweeping through every sector of the American economy. The assault on the largest debtor nation (the U.S.) has begun and many countries are changing their holdings of the dollar. You must get this book to prepare yourself for what is about to hit

George Green's website http://nohoax.com/

RunningDeer

17th January 2016, 14:10

FEMA’s First Concentration Camp Officially Opens In Arizona

http://nationalreport.net/femas-first-concentration-camp-officially-opens-arizona/

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has officially opened their first “Political Realignment Facility,” more famously known as a “concentration camp” or “death camp,”...
RE: originated from a satirical website

FEMA’s First Concentration Camp Officially Opens In Arizona (http://nationalreport.net/femas-first-concentration-camp-officially-opens-arizona/)

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/disclaimer2_zpsi0zq4ejm.JPG

Conclusion:

To conclude, the couple of pictures and stories saying Obama opened FEMA's first concentration camp in Arizona officially are basically hoaxes that originated from a satirical website.

From HoaxorFact.com (http://www.hoaxorfact.com/Pranks/obama-opens-first-concentration-camp-in-us-facts.html):

OBAMA OPENS FIRST CONCENTRATION CAMP IN US: FACTS HOT

Story:

WARNING: Obama Opens First Concentration Camp in US – Plans To Detain Conservatives.

Other Versions
1. FEMA’s First Concentration Camp Officially Opens in Arizona.
2. BREAKING NEWS!! Fema Camps 2015 Time to Wake Up People

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has officially opened their first “Political Realignment Facility,” more famously known as a “concentration camp” or “death camp,” in an area southwest of Willcox, Arizona on Thursday, according to an official FEMA press release. The agency plans on opening another four such facilities in 2015, and plans to have twelve up and running before the 2016 elections.

Hoax or Fact:

Hoax.

Analysis:

According to the 'breaking news' stories doing rounds online, U.S. President Barack Obama has officially opened FEMA’s (Federal Emergency Management Agency) First Concentration Camp in Arizona, and that the agency is planning to open dozen such concentration camp facilities in other states of America in 2015 and 2016. The claims are not facts thankfully.

Origin of Story

In late 2015, an article that appeared on website mrconservative.com issued a warning that Obama’s Federal Emergency Management Agency FEMA officially opened its first “Political Realignment Facility,” more commonly known as a “concentration camp,” or even a “death camp” in Willcox, Arizona - with a plan to detain conservatives. It referenced a very similar, old article on website nationalreport.net published in March 2015, according to which, the first concentration camp facility, designated as "Camp Alpha", is built near the Chiricahua national park in southwest Arizona on nearly 500 acres of Federal property. Further, it says the facility will serve as special camps for people who openly dissent against the Obama Administration and the Democratic Party through social media sites.

The fact of the matter, however, is that the National Report is a satirical news website publishing the work of "citizen journalists". It has a disclaimer that mentions they are a news and political satire web publication, and that all their articles are fiction, and presumably fake news. In related stories section below, you can see some such fake stories originating from the National Report website.

About the Pictures

The first picture showing a group of camp like small houses does not actually show any concentration camp, it in fact is the Azraq camp in northern Jordan for Syrian refugees during civil war, as mentioned in mail Online website dailymail.co.uk. The second picture showing the top view of what appears like a colony of small houses is again not any concentration camp, it is in fact a Trailer Park in the Arizona Desert as can be seen on shutterstock.com.

To conclude, the couple of pictures and stories saying Obama opened FEMA's first concentration camp in Arizona officially are basically hoaxes that originated from a satirical website.

RunningDeer

17th January 2016, 14:29

Are you dying to create your own fake news to see if you can get a hoax to go viral? Try Global Associated News (http://www.globalassociatednews.com). They let you plug in a name and choose from different locations and professions to auto-generate a hoax story. If you can't beat 'em, may as well join 'em. Right?

Note: I'm not saying FEMA camps don't exist. I was struck on how open the site is about propagating disinformation.

The 9 Worst Fake News Sites (http://factually.gizmodo.com/the-9-worst-fake-news-sites-1681729157)

(Note see original article (http://factually.gizmodo.com/the-9-worst-fake-news-sites-1681729157) for their reference links.)

Are you dying to create your own fake news to see if you can get a hoax to go viral? Try Global Associated News. They let you plug in a name and choose from different locations and professions to auto-generate a hoax story. If you can't beat 'em, may as well join 'em. Right?

A joke without a punchline is just a lie. And there sure are a lot of missing punchlines on the internet these days.

You've probably seen these "fake news" websites floating around on social media recently. You might have even shared a story from one of them yourself! But don't be ashamed. We all make mistakes. And hopefully this little guide will help you keep an eye out for the worst of the fakes.

9) World News Daily Report

Remember that story about loggers accidentally cutting down the world's oldest tree? It went viral in environmentalist circles, but turned out to be a fake put out by the "satire" site World News Daily Report. The weird part is that the real story that it was clearly inspired by is actually better.

With articles like First Rehab Center For People Addicted to Apple Products Inaugurated in New York, the site doesn't always seem intent on deceiving people. But it's still not very good. Not very good at all.

8) Free Wood Post

Stories like North Korea Unable to Access Their AOL Dial-Up pretty much say it all about the Free Wood Post. It's basically The Onion, if The Onion were written by fourth graders digging through USA Today for story ideas.

7) Empire News

Did you see a story making its way through Facebook recently about the accused Boston bomber getting beaten up in prison? It was a fake news item created by Empire News, a painfully unfunny site with other gems like Toddler Hospitalized With 2nd Degree Burns From Radiant Heat Flooring. Hilarious, right?

6) Huzlers

Stories like Huzlers' Subway Discovered To Be Using Cockroaches In Food, FDA to Close U.S. Subway Restaurants might be obviously fake to some people. But there's always someone who thinks it's real. Especially your aunt who already thinks fast food is a government-run conspiracy to keep the population docile. Which it is, by the way. Makes you think.

5) Betoota Advocate

Look, it happens to the best of us. Unfortunately our good friends at Deadspin were recently taken in by a fake story from the Betoota Advocate. The Olympics is not going to have 3-on-3 basketball. But why not? Sillier things have been Olympic sports in the past.
Frankly I'm just waiting for the day when I uncritically re-report some story from a fake news site. It's bound to happen. It's only a matter of time. Let's call it Actually's Law. But yeah, the Betoota Advocate is generally not funny, which is part of the problem.

4) Lightly Braised Turnip

If you read a story last year about an enormous giant squid that washed up on the shores of Southern California, you can thank/blame Lightly Braised Turnip. Admittedly, the name Lightly Braised Turnip is kind of a fun play on the world's most famous (and actually funny) fake news site, The Onion. But far too many of LBT's stories are clearly just meant to deceive people for viral shares.

3) The Borowitz Report

Humor is subjective, so I don't doubt that there are plenty of people who take pleasure from reading The Borowitz Report. And more power to them. But there are way too many stories that are simply too plausible, which often leads them to go viral because there's not a single joke in the story. Day Old Congress Most Hated Ever? Yeah, that's pretty much true. Obama Urged To Apologize For Anti-Fear Remark? Is there anything in that headline that strikes you as implausible or funny?

Perhaps The Borowitz Report is an indictment of modern politics in the most crushing way. Maybe Borowitz is using his platform as a kind of long con that ultimately makes us realize we live in a world that's simply beyond parody. But for the time being, it seems to serve primarily as something to get passed around and mistaken for real news.

Stories like Joni Ernst Says She Used to Wear Bucket On Head For No Apparent Reason honestly give me pause. The post is so incredibly absurd and infantile that I suddenly think I might not be smart enough to understand it. Is The Borowitz Report working on an entirely new level? Is it so bad that it's good? Probably not.

2) National Report

Banking on political outrage is generally a safe business bet. Just look at cable news. So when you see fake stories from The National Report like Planned Parenthood Proposes Mobile Abortion Services, it's pretty clear who the target audience might be.

The question becomes how long the outrage economy might last with Facebook's new automated tags calling out fake news. My guess? We have plenty of good viral fake news years ahead of us.

1) The Daily Currant

Over and over again the website Daily Currant has succeeded at getting its terrible fake stories shared by people ready to believe that Rick Santorum was on Grindr or Sarah Palin had joined Al-Jazeera. The latter was even picked up by the Washington Post.

In fact, a number of respected news outlets have re-reported stories from the Daily Currant. They even caused one of the best New York Times corrections of all time. After a dumb story wherein Kanye West says that he has a better ass than his wife Kim Kardashian, the Times lifted the quotes for their own story about Kardashian's butt.

The correction from the New York Times:

Editors' Note: November 22, 2014

An earlier version of this column was published in error. That version included what purported to be an interview that Kanye West gave to a Chicago radio station in which he compared his own derrière to that of his wife, Kim Kardashian. Mr. West's quotes were taken, without attribution, from the satirical website The Daily Currant. There is no radio station WGYN in Chicago; the interview was fictitious, and should not have been included in the column.

Yep. That was a real thing that happened in America's paper of record. And it's inexcusable coming from news outlets that aren't doing their homework. But somewhat understandable when there's not a single joke in the entire story.

This list doesn't even count the fake news purveyors that only exist on Twitter. Like that terribly unfunny North Korean government account. There are plenty of other fake news sites out there like The Onion that are actually funny. But sadly, people still mistake these for real news outlets. There's even a website called Literally Unbelievable that tracks people who still think The Onion is a real news source.

Are you dying to create your own fake news to see if you can get a hoax to go viral? Try Global Associated News. They let you plug in a name and choose from different locations and professions to auto-generate a hoax story. If you can't beat 'em, may as well join 'em. Right?

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Ewan

17th January 2016, 15:34

They are for people with wild and paranoid imaginations...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a12805/4312850/
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/FEMA_concentration_camps

Google: fema camps debunked

and rest assured.

Dear me, those sources! How can you take rationally an article that contains a particularly loopy bunch of conspiracy theorists in the first sentence. Popular Mechanics print what they are paid to print.

https://media.giphy.com/media/13e4OMO2IVZloQ/giphy.gif

Apologies Karpos, that gif is really quite rude of me but on this occasion I couldn't resist. :waving:

Kryztian

17th January 2016, 20:12

I'm serious. The FEMA camps (http://isthatafemacamp.blogspot.ca/?m=1) thing is largely a hoax. The alleged camps have been investigated by skeptics, (http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/fema/list/) and shown to be normal everyday places. Some are prisoner and detainee processing camps, but nothing like supposed fema death camps. Go ahead and ignore the evidence that this is a hoax, and keep fueling a conspiracy that is used to make fools of people all too ready to believe anything that is anti government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AttUb_kkB4U

So, basically you take the most out there, poorly researched, unsubstantiated claims and then debunk them and assume the whole argument is false (as the video does). That just doesn't do it. It would be like me taking a poorly written proof, which tries to explain why two plus two must necessarily be four, written by someone who doesn't quite the principles of logic and mathematics, and doesn't have clear thinking skills - I can pick apart the argument and show it isn't well argued, but i can not conclude "therefore, two plus two is not four" just because the proof isn't well written.

The video begins talking about how FEMA camps contain ovens for burning people alive. While I've listened to many people speak about FEMA camps, no one has EVER claimed that they are going to burn people in ovens. So here we have some one debunking claims that no one is making and assuming that he has also debunked more researched and reasoned claims in the process.

Then the video shows the satellite images of where the FEMA camps are located and showed how they are clearly not images of buildings with people baking ovens. When I saw a maps (the same or similar) I clicked on the camp nearest me in New Jersey, and indeed the satellite image showed a forest of trees, not an oven. But the location of these trees was in the "Joint Base McGuire–Dix–Lakehurst" which contains over 60 square miles that is surround by a security fence, so there are plenty of places within this complex that could house hundreds of thousands of people in camp like conditions.

That was just in seeing the first 30 seconds of this video. I don't intend to spend any more energy looking into it any further.

The alleged camps have been investigated by skeptics

Most of the things we discuss on Avalon have been "investigate by skeptics." In fact we have a skeptical approach here too, but one that is open ended. We are willing to see things as either "true" or "false" and from all the past threads you can find here on Avalon, there is plenty of information that is verifiable that should lead one to realize that there really are FEMA camps and they are there as part of an agenda that we are still collectively trying to piece together.

mojo

17th January 2016, 20:19

Thanks Kryztian, This circular argument reminds me of another post in which an individual kept pushing all ETs are bad. There are some simply unwilling to listen to anything accept to promote their staunch view

Bill Ryan

10th February 2016, 19:36

...A leaked U.S. Army document prepared for the Department of Defense contains shocking plans for “political activists” to be pacified by “PSYOP officers” into developing an “appreciation of U.S. policies” while detained in prison camps inside the United States.

The document, ... was originally released on a restricted basis to the DoD in February 2010, but has now been leaked online.

Bill, can you tell me when (about when) this was leaked online?

If it is a hoax, it is excruciatingly elaborate.

The Re-Education Camp Manual (https://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf) seems to be totally real. It was reported on Infowars.com (Alex Jones' site), on 3 May 2012, here (http://infowars.com/leaked-u-s-army-document-outlines-plan-for-re-education-camps-in-america). The document itself is dated February 2010.

There was a follow-up report the next day (4 May), here:

Yes, The Re-Education Camp Manual Does Apply Domestically to U.S. Citizens
http://infowars.com/yes-the-re-education-camp-manual-does-apply-domestically-to-u-s-citizens (http://infowars.com/yes-the-re-education-camp-manual-does-apply-domestically-to-u-s-citizens)

and a further confirmation on 12 May, here:

Army Admits Re-Education Camp Manual “Not Intended For Public Release”
http://infowars.com/army-admits-re-education-camp-manual-not-intended-for-public-release (http://infowars.com/army-admits-re-education-camp-manual-not-intended-for-public-release)

Bill Ryan

12th February 2016, 16:11

Here (in this post the next) are two pieces by Dave Hodges. I don't necessary endorse his conclusions... but I can't dismiss them, either.

This one was dated two days ago (10 Feb). The next one was published the day after.

http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2016/02/10/the-three-phases-of-fema-camp-mass-arrests-under-uwex-16

The Three Phases of FEMA Camp Mass Arrests Under UWEX 16

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http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2014/05/fema-leaked-document-FM-3-39.40-1-5.jpg (http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2014/05/fema-leaked-document-FM-3-39.40-1-5.jpg)

Jade Helm is back and it is back with a vengeance. Jade Helm 15 has morphed into Uuconventional Warfare Exercise 16 (UWEX 16).

UWEX 16 is strictly about fighting a civil war against rogue American troops who will, presumably, not go along with the imposition of tyranny under the banner of the UN flag with the complicit support of foreign troops.

In support of the anti-Guerrilla warfare/civil war scenario, the establishment will need massive amounts of detention facilities from which to place individuals and groups that are deemed to be a threat to the NWO. Any overt or covert support, either through material means, or through emotional support will land one in a FEMA camp. This article addresses the three phases of FEMA camp incarcerations. And when, not if, the roundups begin, you can count on them happening in three phases.

Haven’t You Heard? There Are No FEMA Camps

There are some in the independent media who will tell you that there is no such thing as a FEMA Camp and that only people with tin foil hats believe anything to the contrary. After reading this article, which is the first in a series of articles on FEMA Camps, you will be armed with the knowledge and the legislation which validates the claim that not only FEMA camps are real, they are being prepared for their soon-to-be guests. The only thing that is missing is a catalyst event.

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2013/01/fema-camp-workers.jpg (http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2013/01/fema-camp-workers.jpg)

Are you ready for the coming tyrannical crackdown and the complete evisceration of our constitutional liberties? Have you taken the proper precautions that will ensure the safety of you and your family? It is not likely that very many of us have taken any meaningful steps to maximize our chances for survival in what will prove to be humanity’s darkest days. Will it be possible to avoid detection and prevent yourself from being taken into custody and sent to a FEMA Camp?

When the DHS bus rolls into your neighborhood, are you prepared to deal with what lies ahead? Let’s assume for a second that Obama attempts a another false flag. Subsequently, martial law is fully declared. I have always said that the order of things to come will be false flag events, followed by martial law/civil war and culminating in WWIII.

Phase One: Preemptively Removing Dissident Leaders

Using history as an example, if a martial law government determined that the population might rise up, it would be prudent to remove the potential dissident leaders. The Gestapo and the KGB employed the same tactics in which they would arrive at a residence at 3AM, initiate a forced entry into a home, move to quickly gag and bound the family, quickly usher them out to a waiting vehicle and quickly transport the targets to a remote location for final disposition.

http://thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2013/12/nsa-im-watching-you.jpg (http://thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2013/12/nsa-im-watching-you.jpg)

How do you know if you are a potential target for immediate elimination once martial law is declared? The short answer is that you cannot be certain. Former NSA agent, the late A.C. Griffith, once stated that we are all assigned a threat matrix score and categorized on the NSA’s ability to track your movements, rate your web surfing habits, track your proximity to other known dissidents through cell phone movement matching and quantitatively and qualitatively monitor your electronic communications. Every one of us has a threat matrix score which is assigned by the NSA. What we do not know is how we compare to everyone else and what will be the cutoff point which would increase the danger for some. Certainly, former military leaders who have been shown the door by Obama are at extreme risk because of their potential to organize guerrilla forces. Key members of the independent media would be another primary target as well those people who would immediately fill an opposition leadership role after the removal of the original opposition leaders.

For the people taken in this matter, along with their families, history shows that the survival rate will be very low. For those dissidents who manage to avoid being taken in the initial purge, your facial image will be uploaded to every traffic and security camera plugged into the NSA system. Detection and arrest will be short-lived except for those who have help or are located in very remote areas.

Phase Two: Mass Roundups

If you are unlucky enough to be located in an area to be considered to have the potential to mount a resistance against the unfolding tyranny (e.g. high number of registered gun owners, high number of veterans, Tea Party members, etc.), mass round ups will be conducted.

http://thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2013/12/boston-martial-law-dress-rehearsal.jpg (http://thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2013/12/boston-martial-law-dress-rehearsal.jpg)

In what form will the roundups take place? This is an easy answer. In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon Bombings, martial law troops invaded Boston and provided us with the DHS version of roundups. The DHS oppressors came in the early morning hours. The perimeter of a city block was sealed off by ground troops and an armored personnel carrier. A dozen, or so, storm troopers would approach a house and empty the house of its inhabitants without allowing any time to change or the opportunity to bring any personal items. The troops would start on opposite sides of the street with one group working a north-south directional seizure of residents, while the other group would work in the opposite direction. Therefore, if anyone attempted to run, they would be pushed toward the other group of soldiers coming in the opposite direction. This happened over and over again in Boston. The arresting troops were supported by a heavily armed personnel carrier.

http://thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2013/12/boston-martial-law-dhs.jpg (http://thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2013/12/boston-martial-law-dhs.jpg)

Disposition of Family Members

(http://thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2013/12/fema-prisoners-boarding-busses.jpg)Your family members will be separated by the authorities as a prelude to sending you to their detention facilities, and that means that men will go to one facility, and women will go to another. Children will have their own facility awaiting them as well. Remember, the state owns your children and they have declared so in their Agenda 21 documents. In all likelihood, this will mark the last time you will ever see your family. How do I know this? Read the Rex 84 documents (which can be referenced here). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84) The government tells you in plain language what they plan to do with you and your family.

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Men, women and children will be taken from their homes to temporary holding facilities. All three groups will be separated, processed and sent to by rail or by bus to more permanent holding facilities.

The NDAA (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/31/statement-president-hr-1540) gives the authority for the President to arrest and detain as many people as he deems necessary without due process of law. This act allows for mass arrests and deportations to prison camps. Yes, the NDAA violates our 4th and 5th Amendment protections, but the NDAA is still the law of the land, the Constitution notwithstanding. When Obama signed this unconstitutional legislation, do you really think the government was never going to act upon this self-granted brand of tyranny?

Executive Order 13603 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness) and the Civilian Inmate Labor Program (http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf) gives the President the authority to incarcerate and conscript individuals into labor brigades in which they will be forced to work in slave labor units. Hitler did this in many of the death camps in which the inmates performed slave labor while they were being systematically starved to death. And where did Hitler get these wonderful ideas? He got the death camp ideas from the government’s treatment of Native Americans in what I call the ultimate Karma slap in the face, resulting from our past bad acts as a nation.

Again, can anyone present an alternative interpretation that makes any sense with regard to cumulative potential for the enactment of REX 84, the NDAA, EO 13630 and the Civilian Inmate Labor Program? Every one of these documents, and several other government documents, speaks to the intent to mass arrest many Americans, enslave and eventually exterminate them. Before you roll your eyes and write to me in a spirit of denial telling me how crazy I am and how I am fear mongering (i.e. neurolinguistic programming term designed to discredit the evidence of a conspiracy), read each and every document, take notes and you will soon realize that you are watching the unfolding of something worse than what Stalin did to his people. And with the NSA surveillance spy grid, the American version of tyranny will be much more virulent than any other program of its type in human history.

Conclusion

There are only three ways that you can avoid being taken:

Be so remotely located that nobody would bother to look for you. However, you would have to be in place when the roundups started because the exits routes would be closed when the roundups begin;
Have friends hide you out. Yet, your friends and acquaintances are already known to the NSA; and,
Emigrate to a foreign country. Again, you would have to be in place at the time the roundups commenced in your area.

As an aside, I once had a dream the other night that has caused me much anxiety. I dreamed that my family had relocated to Norway. One night, we were listening to the radio and heard about the civil war in America. We felt relieved until we heard that the UN troops were in our town looking for any Americans. I don’t necessarily believe in prophetic dreams, however, I do think Americans are going to be hunted down, particularly Christians.

Bill Ryan

12th February 2016, 16:16

.
...And here's Dave Hodges' follow up (11 Feb):

http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2016/02/11/what-are-your-odds-of-surviving-the-uwex-16-concentration-camps

What Are Your Odds of Surviving the UWEX 16 Concentration Camps?

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Why aren’t the Syrians being relocated to one of these camps? Is it because the American people would be out of striking distance? Maybe it’s because the honored guests in these facilities are going to be Christians. One of the main emphasis for UWEX 16, is FEMA camp incarceration.

I am in possession of insider information which speaks to the emphasis UWEX 16, AKA Jade Helm 2, is going to be placed upon mass arrests and FEMA camp incarceration. Within 60 days, I predict the independent media will be obsessed with this information. In the interim, while there is still a chance to do something about this, crickets will chirp and valuable time will be lost.

I find it ludicrous how the country has been conditioned to laugh at any kind of conspiracy theory, as if two evil men would never get together and conspire to do anything. The refusal of Americans to recognize these dangers, and dismiss them as merely wild-eyed conspiracy theories, speaks to how dumbed down our people have become due to a substandard education system and through the controlled corporate media in which only five corporations own over 95% of the entire media industrial complex.

The Trigger Event

Every act of civil disobedience, every act of revolution and every act of tyrannical genocide committed by government, requires a trigger event. For the Nazis, this trigger event included burning down the Reichstag building and blaming the Communists as an excuse to declare martial law. What will be the trigger event for the coming genocidal holocaust committed against American citizens? No one can say for sure. However, history has proven that government gun confiscations from private citizens are the chest pains prior to the heart attack. In the 20th century, there were 17 major genocides committed against civilian populations resulting in a death toll of around 60 million people. Every one of these genocides was preceded by gun confiscation which rendered the intended victims defenseless against the slaughter that awaited them.

It is widely known, that the Obama administration signed the UN Gun Ban Treaty. If he is unable to ram it through Congress, as he is tried before, he is very likely to codify gun control through executive order and he has recently threatened to do just that. When gun confiscation comes, it’s time for people like you and me to run for the hills because if you are caught and sent to a FEMA “re-education” camp, you are probably not coming out alive.

Control of communications is also a necessary prerequisite to carry out tyranny against a civilian population. We know that the globalists corporations control 95% of the establishment media. So, that goal has already been accomplished. However the one medium of communication exchange not under the control of the New World Order, is the Internet. In the same proximity of time that we will see gun control introduced into American society on a widespread basis, one can expect the Internet to be taken down and tightly censored as it is in China. The New American Magazine has reported that Obama has given the codes to the DNS servers, for the Internet, to the United Nations. If this is correct, we are not going to have to wait long for this insanity to unfold. And of course, should all else fail, I don’t doubt for a second that this administration will not hesitate to roll out a false flag attack as a prelude to the declaration of martial law and seize American guns under this pretext.

Are You Ready?

Are you ready for the coming tyrannical crackdown and the complete evisceration of our constitutional liberties? Have you taken the proper precautions that will ensure the safety of you and your family? It is not likely that very many of us have taken any meaningful steps to maximize our chances for survival in what will prove to be humanity’s darkest days. Do you have what it takes to survive in a FEMA camp?

When the FEMA bus rolls into your neighborhood, are you prepared to deal with what lies ahead? Let’s assume for a moment that martial law is declared and you were not able to find a safe sanctuary. Subsequently, you are arrested by the powers that be. Your family will be separated by the authorities as a prelude to sending you to a FEMA camp, and that means that men will go to one facility and women will go to another. Children will have their own facility awaiting them. In all likelihood, this will mark the last time you will ever see your family. How do I know this? Read the Rex 84 documents.

Imagine how a man who is deprived of everyone he has ever cared about, and at the same time this man has lost his house and all of his possessions, how will he survive? There are two primary dangers facing detainees. The first is bad luck. The second danger is the loss of hope. Victor Frankl, the renowned psychiatrist, who spent four years in Auschwitz, thought that the loss of hope was the number one factor associated with prisoner mortality in a concentration camp detention situation. How will you find meaning in your life when you’re separated from everything you’ve ever known and loved?

In the previous days as a history instructor, I used to have survivors of the Holocaust come and speak to my students. Subsequently, I asked all of these former death camp prisoners, what was the number one factor in their survival? Almost to a person, they stated the number one factor in their survival was luck. I was told that the Nazis would herd people to the showers which they knew was a death trap, and they were the next in line, but were turned away, because the quota had been met. It just wasn’t their day to die.

If you are sent to a FEMA camp, there are things you can do to exercise control over the things of which you have influence. The Jews were a very resilient people and were able to manufacture their own subculture. There were those, however, that did resist as they ran from the relocation trains, and/or attacked their captors. In almost every instance, resisting the authorities at the time of arrest, was almost 100% fatal.

For those who arrived at the death camps, a vibrant subculture appeared as the people played cards and actors, musicians, comics, singers, and dancers all entertained small groups who came together for a few hours to forget their daily terror and despair. Singers and poets also perform their craft as well. And of course, people continue to pray even though it was against the rules. People formed bonds with each other, developed a level of affection and respect. In short, they replaced the loss of primary family associations with people facing imminent death every day. The lesson is clear, if you’re ever forced into a FEMA camp, pray for good luck and foster relationships among your fellow detainees and find pleasure in the small things over which you will have some measure of control.

Organized Resistance Within the Camp

What about organizing a resistance in the FEMA camps, would that work? The history lesson which can be derived, from this question, is not promising. In Treblinka, seven hundred Jews were successful in blowing up the camp on August 2, 1943. All but 150 of the inmates perished in retaliation for their efforts. Only 12 Treblinka inmates survived the war. In Sobibor, Jewish and Russian inmates mounted an escape on October 14, 1943. One in ten successfully escaped, about 60 out of 600. The prisoners involved in the escape survived to join the Soviet underground. In Auschwitz, on October 7, 1944, one of the four crematoria was blown up by Jewish workers, whose job it was to clear away the bodies of gas chamber victims. The workers were all caught and killed.

The lesson seems clear, if you allow yourself to be transported to a FEMA camp, you’re probably not coming out alive. Therefore, since resistance within the camp is largely futile, you have three options. One, do not get caught. Two, you can choose to acquiesce and hope your compliance and your search for meaning, within the experience, is successful. Three, you can try to escape. To survive by going along to get along, requires a fair amount of luck to survive. From my perspective, I believe history teaches that mounting an organized escape effort may be the best chance for survival that an inmate has for coming out of the death camp experience, alive.

Will You and Your Community Resist the Tyranny?

Despite the stereotype which betrays all Jews as willing and meekly going to their slaughter, is not totally accurate. There are plenty of examples where the Jews met force with force and refused to be subjugated. For example, on September 3, 1942, seven hundred Jewish families escaped from the Tuchin Ghetto, located in Ukraine. However, the Nazis hunted them down, and only 15 survived.

By 1943, the ghetto residents, in the famous Warsaw Ghetto, had organized an army of about 1,000 men, mostly unarmed and without military equipment. In January 1943, German soldiers entered the ghetto to round up more Jews for shipment to the death camps. They were met by a volley of bombs, Molotov cocktails, and a few bullets from the sparse number of firearms which had been smuggled into the ghettos. Twenty German soldiers were killed. The action encouraged a few members of the Polish resistance to support the uprising, and a few machine guns, some hand grenades, and about a hundred rifles and revolvers were smuggled in.

The Nazis returned with almost 3,000 crack German troops and eventually overcame the resistance and about 300 Germans were killed. Jewish losses were estimated at 15,000. Some Jews survived and some actually did escape, but not many.

Conclusion

In the above paragraphs, you can see why I get so upset when my government is actively practicing to mass arrest citizens while simultaneously housing them in FEMA camps. I know my history.

According to the lessons of history, there can be no question that being sent to a concentration camp (i.e. FEMA camp) is an almost certain death sentence. We have seen that resistance at the point of arrest is futile. Armed and organized resistance which includes community involvement, produces long odds for survival, but some do survive. Resisting captors inside of the concentration camp, by any means necessary, is nearly fatal in every case. Acquiescing to authority, while one carves out a life under very dire circumstances, provides the best chance for survival. However, under these conditions, one’s survival is highly dependent on being lucky.

To the doubters, I would ask you this: If your government wasn’t planning to incarcerate millions, then why were the camps built? Why is there is legislation covering the camps? Why is UWEX 16 rehearsing these snatch and grab scenarios?

The best chance for survival if you are ever transported to a FEMA camp, is to avoid being caught in the first place.

mojo

12th February 2016, 16:35

The Dave Hodges follow up was excellent and it resonates so deeply to how I feel. Its a shame that people will be led like sheep to the slaughter. With all the indicators to how much we can't trust the government with anything, it should be quite clear to anyone. The interesting thing is that so many people arent getting the message and I dont know what else we can do to wake them?

Shannon

12th February 2016, 18:09

Will any political leaders address the concerns about these documents? And if so what do they say? Is it conspiracy garbage to them? Or is it something they can give an honest look at?

Calz

12th February 2016, 20:08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnqTCah_03g

During a speech in Atlantic City, Hillary Clinton called for “camps for adults” at which people would be forced to talk to each other about politics.

“As I have gotten older, I have decided we really need camps for adults. And we need the kind of camps that you all run, I mean, really. None of the serious stuff, none of the life challenge stuff,” said the former Secretary of State.

“More fun, I think we have a huge fun deficit in America, and we need to figure out how to fill that fun deficit, certainly for our kids, but also for the rest of us. We need a reminder of our skills from time to time, maybe some enrichment, certainly some time outdoors, maybe actually spending time with people we didn’t know before.”

Hillary added that the camps would be places where, people would “have to come together and actually listen to each other.”

“So Clinton hands over to us all to consider the idea of a progressive sending adults to camps, and the idea of a politician infamous for being humorless and suspicious being an arbiter of “fun,” wrapped in a great big bow,” remarks Reason’s Scott Shackford.

The hashtag #HillaryFunCamp was soon born on Twitter, with some pointing out that joycamp was the term used in George Orwell’s 1984 for forced labor camps in which political dissidents were incarcerated.

http://www.infowars.com/hillary-we-need-fun-camps-for-adults/

Shannon

12th February 2016, 20:32

Just reading that, calz, has made up my mind that Hillary is completely off her rocker. Not that I ever thought she was playing with a full deck.

Dennis Leahy

13th February 2016, 16:01

Will any political leaders address the concerns about these documents? And if so what do they say? Is it conspiracy garbage to them? Or is it something they can give an honest look at?The United States of America was formally taken over by the "Deep State"/shadow government on November 22, 1963. There are NO non-criminal political leaders in the USA, only criminal cabal members. There has not been any "citizen-centric" or "eco-centric" legislation passed in the US in at least 40 years, but in that same time frame, hundreds of pieces of corporate-centric (Elite agenda) bills have become law, and several key pieces of anti-citizen/anti-citizens-rights legislation were passed. Running to them for help is like running to the "good" cop in a good cop/bad cop scenario. (They only seem like a "good cop" because you haven't felt the weight of their power, yet.)

The exponential rise use of deadly force by police, and the fact that the police know they will not be prosecuted, tells us more about the mindset of the "controllers" than these FEMA "documents" (I have no idea what is real and what is deliberate fear-inducing propaganda and what is imagined.) When military/police action that looks like Marshall Law happens, I expect what will happen are front door executions (with the "he was resisting arrest!" excuse, if needed) of all political undesirables rather than dragging people off to camp. Many of us could not be "rehabilitated" to be an asset for them without the equivalent of a brain transplant, and so they won't bother when a small piece of lead will solve their problem. No need for fear - if you don't fear death.

pyrangello

13th February 2016, 20:23

So this is my take on the entire situation, Lets say hypothetically they know whats upon the horizon with this country and the entire world via time travel info or remote viewers or physics or Merlin the magician. I actually like Merlin so maybe not him. Financial collapse, plate movements of the earth, plague, and on and on. In the movie 2012 when everybody was boarding the ships they had an argument about continuing the continuity of government for the people left, food for thought, that is as long as its in the best interest of the people .

First off what is a country ? A body of land with borders and most importantly its people in it . What is the purpose of the government? I'm probably a little off on this definition and there could be much more added but its a small group of people hopefully elected (without the help of diebold voting machines or Microsoft ) by the people to represent them to ensure the safety and well being of its people in their own country. Now it seems to me without the people of a country there is no need for a government either. After all if most of the people are gone or all the courageous ones who would defend their country , that would give a free pass for another country to come in and gobble up that country, so then who needs that government or the people in it. Thus they would be eliminated to by the country taking over. So giving credence to dragging people out of their homes and on and on , no I don't buy it really, hypocrisy only goes so far in life.

I'm just over 50 , but I remember my grandmother who was originally from Poland and came here at the age of 7 tell me what it was like during the depression . Back then people canned food, farms were abundant, no credit cards , no 2cd mortgages , ect ect. People were self sufficient in many ways . Today there are many people today who if there isn't a fast food restaurant by or a button to push on some device they would have absolutely no clue on what to do next in case of an emergency.

Lets go with a scenario that something happens on a natural disaster and then the economy tanks. Riots in the cities, looting and on and on. My grandmother spoke to me of the riots in Detroit in 1967 and how the army trucks used to come down the street to pick up my grandpa and many other men who worked in the auto plant to get them to work everyday. Statistically in the state of Michigan there are 10 million people living in this state. Lets say chaos breaks down and 1% of the population go to the un law abiding side and are put in jail. That equals 100,000 people just for the state of Michigan . I don't even think we have the capacity to jail 100,000 let alone feed them . I don't want top sound Naive at all and I'm sure each government has a contingency for even when they run out of toilet paper and how to handle that, but when and if something major happens it really will be up to all of us to help pull small communities together and probably the military for the major cities and if there are indeed plans for fema camps , remember the 1% because they have to go somewhere or maybe not .My buddy from school is a private detective and he told me 10% of the people out there are only out there for themselves and what they can take from others. Now apply that to when there aren't any laws . My advise, don't worry, live your life to the fullest and smile everyday , what a beautiful planet we have.And yes 90% of the worlds population are genuine and good people and that gives me a reason to smile even more.