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Clear Light
6th February 2016, 16:33
Daily Tao / 40 – Subconscious [1]

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Heaven and hell;
Our subconscious.


Meditation opens seldom glimpsed areas of our subconscious. When that happens, extraordinary thoughts and awareness come to us with seeming spontaneity. We realize truths that were opaque to us before; we perceive events that were previously too distant. But no one ever became superhuman because of meditation. They only opened their own latent potential. Everything is locked inside of us and need only be opened. That is why it is said that heaven is within us.

In the same way, the pains and the struggles of the past sometimes haunt us with astounding vehemence. Problems and conflicts are difficult to exorcise. Although we may practice spirituality and move on to new endeavors and relationships, past hurts still come back in our memories and dreams. These are not demons from another world, nor are they karmic manifestations of previous lives; they are scars in our subconscious. No matter how diligently we try to make progress, there still are pains that curse us day after day. This is why it is said that hell is within us.

We ourselves are the battleground for good and evil. There is no need to look beyond our world. Everything to be understood is within us. All that must be transcended — the pains and scars of the past — is within us. All the power of transcendence is also within us. Tap into it and you tap into the divine itself.
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All our feelings have significance only in relation to their
relative opposites. Yet man, in his abysmal ignorance,
forgets this basic fact of life and strives desperately for
pleasure without pain and life without death! Without
his realizing it his viewpoint has become so distorted
that he struggles after mere illusions, which leads to
frustration and misery, finally culminating in the utter
terror of physical death.

Ramesh L. Balsekar

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[1] Oh, I appear to be in somewhat of a reflective "mood" and having read ahead a few days (as this one is meant for the 9th of February) I thought to post it on the P.A. forum :heart: where such things are more "welcome" (I feel) than in day-to-day-life :)

Guish
6th February 2016, 18:25
Very true. I was walking in the supermarket last week and met a distant cousin who was a very good friend of a woman who I used to love. I just said hi and instantly all the feelings about the woman came back; anger, fear and pain. I watched the feelings with detachment and said to myself that I'm no longer this person of the past. Hence, that's why equanimity is taught in Hinduism. One must not get carried away by happiness or sadness. Do your best in the present moment and let go of the moment.

Zampano
6th February 2016, 19:07
Beautiful!
How I see it now...since I began to love the moment-there are no problems anymore. The moment when you wash dishes, go for a walk with the dog, talking to friends, whatever.
This particular moment is always perfect-you cant change it-its the way it is. So love it!
Since I am doing it, little miracles are happening in my life.
New friends in the refugee movement, a new appartement, whole new relationsship with my parents and also with women.

Guish
7th February 2016, 12:26
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Clear Light
7th February 2016, 13:03
https://scontent-sit4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12688274_811732042269172_2350739060474126732_n.jpg ?oh=3d707776f12acf2f038b239fa7831bb7&oe=576B0BA1

Oh, I'd say that image is missing the most important part of the quote :


"If there's no wound on the hand, that hand can hold poison. Poison won't penetrate where there's no wound. There's no evil for those who don't do it"

peterpam
7th February 2016, 14:37
Beautiful!
How I see it now...since I began to love the moment-there are no problems anymore. The moment when you wash dishes, go for a walk with the dog, talking to friends, whatever.
This particular moment is always perfect-you cant change it-its the way it is. So love it!
Since I am doing it, little miracles are happening in my life.
New friends in the refugee movement, a new appartement, whole new relationsship with my parents and also with women.



There is a huge amount of wisdom in this post, Zampano. It is so true that all we have is this moment. As Ekhardt Tolle says, " Make friends with the present moment, it doesn't matter what form it takes, say yes to it, be with it. "

I have also found that if I am accepting of the moment, if I am friends with it, so to speak, life will return the same to me. If I use the now as a means to an end, if I am anxious for another moment, then life will return the same. Life can slip by in the blink of an eye, while we are waiting for some grander moment that will never come.

Zampano
7th February 2016, 16:05
Actually, I came to this conclusion...loving the moment...by myself and then I read and crossread different books and spiritual teachers.
All say the same.
Thats an organic and natural development, when you enquire your Self/Being.
Listen to yourself and you know what to do. "Exercise" your very own spiritual practice.
And, please, enjoy it!

ljwheat
7th February 2016, 16:49
This May help with the meditation process going into oneself even deeper, like in the movie "Contact" when we meet the real being that lives within us.. with out labels ,, is life. We are yet another (A Simulated) race of humans restarted on earth.

Over Millions of years Man has labeling advanced (beings) or ufo's threw the ages as GOD's.. When the hole time our minds have been shaped by our own kind > the elite, off world on Venus. That never go threw the rebirth of man on earth when its wiped out threw ice age, wars, or the elite instructed order to reboot human again, and again, and yet again. Starting with a clean slate each time , archaeology evidence abound millions of years destruction here, but the tech of elite untouched world Venus and the (God's) remain intact to this day. We only know what we have been allowed to know, from this (god hood) controller of men is man not some alien, mind injected plant of thinking.
With out this premer in place none will be the wiser or suspect the awakening taking place, here and now.. those who do , wind up dead or erased from history, and God the elite us live on from above on Venus.. laugh all you want, as this to is the mind set in place to keep the world flat for another million years. the evidance is every were if you have the premer to see it.

Clear Light
7th February 2016, 17:37
This May help with the meditation process going into oneself even deeper, like in the movie "Contact" when we meet the real being that lives within us.. with out labels ,, is life. We are yet another (A Simulated) race of humans restarted on earth.

Over Millions of years Man has labeling advanced (beings) or ufo's threw the ages as GOD's.. When the hole time our minds have been shaped by our own kind > the elite, off world on Venus. That never go threw the rebirth of man on earth when its wiped out threw ice age, wars, or the elite instructed order to reboot human again, and again, and yet again. Starting with a clean slate each time , archaeology evidence abound millions of years destruction here, but the tech of elite untouched world Venus and the (God's) remain intact to this day. We only know what we have been allowed to know, from this (god hood) controller of men is man not some alien, mind injected plant of thinking.
With out this premer in place none will be the wiser or suspect the awakening taking place, here and now.. those who do , wind up dead or erased from history, and God the elite us live on from above on Venus.. laugh all you want, as this to is the mind set in place to keep the world flat for another million years. the evidance is every were if you have the premer to see it.

Oh, I seriously doubt your implication of Venusian "elite" controllers !

Like who knows what "form" of "life" could inhabit such a place as Venus eh ?


Temperature : 462 degrees Celsius
Atmosphere : ~96% Carbon Dioxide
Surface Atmospheric Pressure : ~90 times that of Earth

It seems unlikely no ?

ljwheat
7th February 2016, 18:33
Oh, I seriously doubt your implication of Venusian "elite" controllers !

Like who knows what "form" of "life" could inhabit such a place as Venus eh ?


Temperature : 462 degrees Celsius
Atmosphere : ~96% Carbon Dioxide
Surface Atmospheric Pressure : ~90 times that of Earth

It seems unlikely no ?[/QUOTE]

And you missed my hole point. you have been to Venus and know this LOL but believe all you have been told. from birth you have been taught what to believe, and you have accepted the truth you have been handed all your life.. end of topic for you.. right -- your brain has been programed to believe this.. LOL so be it. books are written lol

Clear Light
7th February 2016, 19:01
And you missed my hole point. you have been to Venus and know this LOL but believe all you have been told. from birth you have been taught what to believe, and you have accepted the truth you have been handed all your life.. end of topic for you.. right -- your brain has been programed to believe this.. LOL so be it. books are written lol

Oh, well thanks so much for avoiding my questions and simply laughing it off like !

Here's your earliest (relevant) reference to Venus (on P.A. from 29th November 2013) that I could find : Re: My version of "The Story so Far". What's yours? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65951-My-version-of-The-Story-so-Far-.-What-s-yours&p=764780&viewfull=1#post764780)


Long, long time past, before the burning of books and records long past, before the time of no moon circling our planet,-- time before the moon is forbidden subject that would unlock all the history and lie’s written since.

This ecosystem before the moon was similar to Venus 1/3 of our present ocean was in our sky as cloud cover. Thick dense with a global temperature the same anywhere you went a Garden of Eden and manna would fall from the heavens.

Introduce the moon, rain for 40 days and 40 nights killing the advanced civilization of that day, tower of babble introduced languages’ to divide what was left of that pristine culture

[snip]

Just my little rant. What if…..


What makes you think (believe) this ^^^^ information is accurate ?

Guish
8th February 2016, 13:51
"If there's no wound on the hand, that hand can hold poison. Poison won't penetrate where there's no wound. There's no evil for those who don't do it"

Does the last sentence mean that anyone can do anything because what is being said before is contradicted?

Clear Light
8th February 2016, 15:25
"If there's no wound on the hand, that hand can hold poison. Poison won't penetrate where there's no wound. There's no evil for those who don't do it"

Does the last sentence mean that anyone can do anything because what is being said before is contradicted?

Um, I'm not sure I know what you mean ... where's the contradiction ?

Guish
8th February 2016, 18:20
When it is said, "for those who don't do it", the "it" refers to doing evil. I thought it referred to the first sentence where it talks about being immune to negativity. Maybe, I read too many koans, I see a paradox everywhere.

Clear Light
8th February 2016, 22:58
When it is said, "for those who don't do it", the "it" refers to doing evil. I thought it referred to the first sentence where it talks about being immune to negativity

Ah! :)


Maybe, I read too many koans, I see a paradox everywhere

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“When Bodhidharma left the
Emperor, he spent nine years
facing the wall. What was he
doing for those nine years?”

Guish
9th February 2016, 06:20
^That picture of Bodhi would be a nice one of the wall of my new house.


For those who want to know about Bodhidharma:

Bodhidharma was introduced to the emperor of China, who was a Buddhist himself. In his conference with the emperor, Bodhidharma exhibited the sort of sharp, shocking behavior that would become characteristic of Zen Buddhist masters. This meeting is regarded as China's first introduction to Zen Buddhism.

The emperor practiced the outward behaviors of Buddhism; he wore Buddhist robes, abstained from eating meat, build many temples and supported hundreds of monks and nuns. The emperor was proud of his knowledge of Buddhism and his support of Buddhism in his kingdom. He asked Bodhidharma, "Since I came to the throne, I have built many temples, published numerous scriptures and supported countless monks and nuns. How great is the merit in all these?"

"No merit to speak of.", was the shocking reply of Bodhidharma. The emperor had often heard renowned masters say, "Do good, and you will receive good; do bad and you will receive bad. The Law of Cause and Effect is unchangeable, effects follow causes as shadows follow figures." But now, this foreign sage declared that all his efforts had earned no merit at all.

The emperor failed to understand that one is not practising Buddhism if one does good with the desire to gain merit for oneself. It will be more like promoting one's own welfare or hoping for admiration by the public. The emperor asked his next question, "What then, is the essence of Buddhism?"

Bodhidharma's immediated reply was, "Vast emptiness and no essence at all!" This stunned the emperor. Other masters had explained that the essence was contained in doctrines such as The Four Noble Truths and The Law of Cause and Effect, but this foreign sage of Buddhism had just declared there was 'no essence at all'.

The confused emperor dismissed the sage from the court on 17 October. Thus, China had its first taste of Zen teaching. After Bodhidharma's departure, the emperor discussed the incident with his Buddhist teacher, Master Chih. The master asked him, "Does your majesty know who this man is?" He informed the emperor that Bodhidharma came to China with a mandate from one of the world's leading Buddhism authorities on special mission to revitalize Chinese Buddhism.

This filled the emperor with regret for having sent Bodhidharma out of the court. Years later, upon hearing the death of the sage, he mourned deeply and then wrote an inscription to pay his tribute to the great sage which read:

"Alas! I saw him without seeing him;
I met him without meeting him;
I encountered him without encountering him;
Now as before I regret this deeply!"

But Bodhidharma had left the capital for the North, where his impact was more lasting.

Guish
9th February 2016, 10:01
AvmT8eky24U

The major quotes are translated in the video.

Clear Light
9th February 2016, 14:36
^That picture of Bodhi would be a nice one of the wall of my new house

Ah, when I first started to "practice" meditation at home, I sometimes used to sit in front of the wall (or door) with the Tibetan letter "A" in front of me :)


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Dzogchen_A.png

"Back in the day" (so-to-speak), I chose "Clear Blue Skies" as a forum handle, partly because of the idea of the "Clear Light" of Tibetan Buddhism :biggrin1:

Peace of Mind
9th February 2016, 16:32
Heaven and Hell is a state of mind.

Monitor your actions, your thinking, what you partake in, what you engage in. Your thoughts form reality, so be mindful that what you’re thinking is beneficial to you and others. If not… then you may not be thinking for yourself. Throughout the ages man has consistently shown that he’s reluctant to think for himself. He fears failure, not knowing mistakes build character and enough familiarity to win next time (if persistent).

Heaven and Hell exist in the now and then…you have the choice to experience both at any giving time. Remove the hardship by removing yourself from those negative ideas/the negative what if’s/the negative chatter/the negative hopelessness and disempowerment. Replace it with well intent in every last thing you do, replace it with positive engagements, replace it by leaving alone the low vibing noise that does nothing for you other than make you feel uncomfortable.

We live in our own heaven and hell by way of our actions and inaction's. Life/this reality is a test of your spirituality. We’re all born to die (ever wonder why?) bravely accept it, and the illusion might show you glimpses of what’s behind the scenes. We always have gotten exactly what we deserve…a person shouldn’t complain about seeing negatives in their life if they are always focused and indulging (giving attention to) the very things they don’t like. I see this all the time and it baffles me to no end.

If a person truly wants Heaven in their life/after life…they have to start acting like it, and half stepping will only get you half the results.

Peace

Guish
9th February 2016, 16:42
Ah, when I first started to "practice" meditation at home, I sometimes used to sit in front of the wall (or door) with the Tibetan letter "A" in front of me :)



Did it improve your focus? I've only practised Zazen.

Guish
9th February 2016, 16:50
Heaven and Hell is a state of mind.

Monitor your actions, your thinking, what you partake in, what you engage in. Your thoughts form reality, so be mindful that what you’re thinking is beneficial to you and others. If not… then you may not be thinking for yourself. Throughout the ages man has consistently shown that he’s reluctant to think for himself. He fears failure, not knowing mistakes build character and enough familiarity to win next time (if persistent).

Heaven and Hell exist in the now and then…you have the choice to experience both at any giving time. Remove the hardship by removing yourself from those negative ideas/the negative what if’s/the negative chatter/the negative hopelessness and disempowerment. Replace it with well intent in every last thing you do, replace it with positive engagements, replace it by leaving alone the low vibing noise that does nothing for you other than make you feel uncomfortable.

We live in our own heaven and hell by way of our actions and inaction's. Life/this reality is a test of your spirituality. We’re all born to die (ever wonder why?) bravely accept it, and the illusion might show you glimpses of what’s behind the scenes. We always have gotten exactly what we deserve…a person shouldn’t complain about seeing negatives in their life if they are always focused and indulging (giving attention to) the very things they don’t like. I see this all the time and it baffles me to no end.

If a person truly wants Heaven in their life/after life…they have to start acting like it, and half stepping will only get you half the results.

Peace

Can there be heaven without hell?
Can there be bliss without noise?
Can there be compassion without ego?

Do we ignore the mud on which the lotus blooms?

Peace of Mind
9th February 2016, 17:26
Heaven and Hell is a state of mind.

Monitor your actions, your thinking, what you partake in, what you engage in. Your thoughts form reality, so be mindful that what you’re thinking is beneficial to you and others. If not… then you may not be thinking for yourself. Throughout the ages man has consistently shown that he’s reluctant to think for himself. He fears failure, not knowing mistakes build character and enough familiarity to win next time (if persistent).

Heaven and Hell exist in the now and then…you have the choice to experience both at any giving time. Remove the hardship by removing yourself from those negative ideas/the negative what if’s/the negative chatter/the negative hopelessness and disempowerment. Replace it with well intent in every last thing you do, replace it with positive engagements, replace it by leaving alone the low vibing noise that does nothing for you other than make you feel uncomfortable.

We live in our own heaven and hell by way of our actions and inaction's. Life/this reality is a test of your spirituality. We’re all born to die (ever wonder why?) bravely accept it, and the illusion might show you glimpses of what’s behind the scenes. We always have gotten exactly what we deserve…a person shouldn’t complain about seeing negatives in their life if they are always focused and indulging (giving attention to) the very things they don’t like. I see this all the time and it baffles me to no end.

If a person truly wants Heaven in their life/after life…they have to start acting like it, and half stepping will only get you half the results.

Peace

Can there be heaven without hell?
Can there be bliss without noise?
Can there be compassion without ego?

Do we ignore the mud on which the lotus blooms?

"Can there be heaven without hell? "

Will you recognize/ appreciate the good if evil didn’t exist? Both exist to educate/test you, with enough knowledge of both you can control how much heaven and hell you want to experience at any giving time. The choice is always there, but most people’s conformity precedes reality… as many seem to be blindly living for others in one way or another.

"Can there be compassion without ego?"

The Ego is the body’s mind; it does what it can to advance it, to protect it. The compassionate person will always reveal his/her ability to tame the ego, with ease.

"Do we ignore the mud on which the lotus blooms?"

Why ignore the mud…is there something wrong with it?

Peace

greybeard
9th February 2016, 18:04
Heaven and hell are dependent on the mind---judging a situation that seems external.
Bliss is entirely different---it is not dependent on anything, just is.
(Sat-chit-anand)
That's my understanding of the moment.

Chris

Clear Light
9th February 2016, 18:27
Ah, when I first started to "practice" meditation at home, I sometimes used to sit in front of the wall (or door) with the Tibetan letter "A" in front of me :)



Did it improve your focus? I've only practised Zazen.

Ah, now, to answer your question I'd have to say : Hell Yeah ! LOL :bigsmile:

drneglector
9th February 2016, 19:43
Heaven and Hell, that old dual term, is so loaded with allegories.

In the Christian doctrine the "original sin" was about coming into dualistic consciousness; thinking about yourself as something separate from everything else. That change in the way you perceive reality and your place in it, is a degradation of consciousness, a "fall of man". Failing to raise consciousness and always staying in base awareness is a condition called Hell. Hell has always has been considered, by any tradition, the spirits separation from the divine internally.


I also come to think about the Hermetic Principle of Polarity, with relation to Heaven and Hell:


Everything is Dual;
everything has poles;
everything has its pair of opposites;
like and unlike are the same;
opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree;
extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.

Good and Evil are but poles of the same thing, and the Hermetist understands the art of transmuting Evil into Good, by means of an application of the Principle of Polarity. In short, the Art of Polarisation becomes a phase of Mental Alchemy known and practiced by the ancient and modern Hermetic Masters. An understanding of the Principle will enable one to change his own Polarity, as well as that of others, if he will devote the time and study necessary to master the art. - The Kybalion

Clear Light
9th February 2016, 20:16
Heaven and Hell, that old dual term, is so loaded with allegories.

In the Christian doctrine the "original sin" was about coming into dualistic consciousness; thinking about yourself as something separate from everything else. That change in the way you perceive reality and your place in it, is a degradation of consciousness, a "fall of man". Failing to raise consciousness and always staying in base awareness is a condition called Hell. Hell has always has been considered, by any tradition, the spirits separation from the divine internally

And may I suggest that perhaps "Grace" is like the apparent recovery of one's innate "Innocence" ? :)

Guish
10th February 2016, 06:06
with enough knowledge of both you can control how much heaven and hell you want to experience at any giving time. The choice is always there, but most people’s conformity precedes reality… as many seem to be blindly living for others in one way or another.


Strong point. People live according to criterion set by society, family and so on. My wife always want me to shave before going out. Heaven and hell are both illusions as the middle way is being between both extremes and be unaffected by the heaven or hell. There's no need to control anything.




The Ego is the body’s mind; it does what it can to advance it, to protect it. The compassionate person will always reveal his/her ability to tame the ego, with ease.


I ask these questions for readers to realise that negativity is not always negativity. Just like the mud feeds the beautiful lotus, pain makes one seek bliss, suffering makes one become detached. Gautama became buddha because he wanted to end suffering.




"Do we ignore the mud on which the lotus blooms?"

Why ignore the mud…is there something wrong with it?

Peace

Bingo.

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Ah, when I first started to "practice" meditation at home, I sometimes used to sit in front of the wall (or door) with the Tibetan letter "A" in front of me :)



Did it improve your focus? I've only practised Zazen.

Ah, now, to answer your question I'd have to say : Hell Yeah ! LOL :bigsmile:

I imagine you doing this banging your head.

Being aware is being alive...

rI1-RfUqZis

Clear Light
10th February 2016, 11:49
Ah, when I first started to "practice" meditation at home, I sometimes used to sit in front of the wall (or door) with the Tibetan letter "A" in front of me :)



Did it improve your focus? I've only practised Zazen.

Ah, now, to answer your question I'd have to say : Hell Yeah ! LOL :bigsmile:

I imagine you doing this banging your head.

Being aware is being alive...

[Pearl Jam video]

Ah, or did various "images" simply appear in your "mind's eye" as if "you" had "imagined" them ? :wink:

Guish
10th February 2016, 11:59
Ah, when I first started to "practice" meditation at home, I sometimes used to sit in front of the wall (or door) with the Tibetan letter "A" in front of me :)



Did it improve your focus? I've only practised Zazen.

Ah, now, to answer your question I'd have to say : Hell Yeah ! LOL :bigsmile:

I imagine you doing this banging your head.

Being aware is being alive...

[Pearl Jam video]

Ah, or did various "images" simply appear in your "mind's eye" as if "you" had "imagined" them ? :wink:

I'd have asked you to have a beer with me a few years ago.

Peace of Mind
10th February 2016, 16:44
with enough knowledge of both you can control how much heaven and hell you want to experience at any giving time. The choice is always there, but most people’s conformity precedes reality… as many seem to be blindly living for others in one way or another.


Strong point. People live according to criterion set by society, family and so on. My wife always want me to shave before going out. Heaven and hell are both illusions as the middle way is being between both extremes and be unaffected by the heaven or hell. There's no need to control anything.




The Ego is the body’s mind; it does what it can to advance it, to protect it. The compassionate person will always reveal his/her ability to tame the ego, with ease.


I ask these questions for readers to realise that negativity is not always negativity. Just like the mud feeds the beautiful lotus, pain makes one seek bliss, suffering makes one become detached. Gautama became buddha because he wanted to end suffering.




"Do we ignore the mud on which the lotus blooms?"

Why ignore the mud…is there something wrong with it?

Peace

Bingo.[COLOR="red"]



Indeed, they are both illusions… as is everything we perceive to be real. We are all artist, and reality is the canvass of the mind. What exist in the mind can be placed in reality…but only with enough concentration, attention… detail focused strokes of the paint brush. Without intent there is nothing, no change, no momentum. To change anything on the canvass, the idea must first exist in the mind.

Heaven and Hell are ideas; ideas we choose to acknowledge. And if for nothing else… to recognize and analyze circumstances. Control is a choice. The world suffers because wicket people choose to be as so, wicket people choose to take control, they choose to disempower the populace for obvious reasons. They choose to design clever ways to keep the masses docile and unresponsive to their control over the masses.… and have been succeeding in it for no other reason than having the “Manipulated” not take control.

The world suffers because the masses are trained to look for ways/excuses to be useless, they are afraid of responsibility, afraid of removing the obvious control from their manipulators because they are subconsciously committed to being controlled by others, or something other than themselves.

Nothing in life happens automatically, everything we see and experience is the results of our ways, ways we control, the results of someone/s control.

Taking control is the only way anything can happen. If you choose not to take control…someone else definitely will. This you can see clearly on many levels in many corners of the world.

If we were here just to observe and control none of what we see… we wouldn’t have the need for bodies, intellect, emotions, discussions, etc…as life would be a waste, nothing to observe, nothing to learn from, nothing to see, no purpose.

Peace

Guish
10th February 2016, 17:33
with enough knowledge of both you can control how much heaven and hell you want to experience at any giving time. The choice is always there, but most people’s conformity precedes reality… as many seem to be blindly living for others in one way or another.


Strong point. People live according to criterion set by society, family and so on. My wife always want me to shave before going out. Heaven and hell are both illusions as the middle way is being between both extremes and be unaffected by the heaven or hell. There's no need to control anything.




The Ego is the body’s mind; it does what it can to advance it, to protect it. The compassionate person will always reveal his/her ability to tame the ego, with ease.


I ask these questions for readers to realise that negativity is not always negativity. Just like the mud feeds the beautiful lotus, pain makes one seek bliss, suffering makes one become detached. Gautama became buddha because he wanted to end suffering.






"Do we ignore the mud on which the lotus blooms?"

Why ignore the mud…is there something wrong with it?

Peace

Bingo.[COLOR="red"]



Indeed, they are both illusions… as is everything we perceive to be real. We are all artist, and reality is the canvass of the mind. What exist in the mind can be placed in reality…but only with enough concentration, attention… detail focused strokes of the paint brush. Without intent there is nothing, no change, no momentum. To change anything on the canvass, the idea must first exist in the mind.

Heaven and Hell are ideas; ideas we choose to acknowledge. And if for nothing else… to recognize and analyze circumstances. Control is a choice. The world suffers because wicket people choose to be as so, wicket people choose to take control, they choose to disempower the populace for obvious reasons. They choose to design clever ways to keep the masses docile and unresponsive to their control over the masses.… and have been succeeding in it for no other reason than having the “Manipulated” not take control.

The world suffers because the masses are trained to look for ways/excuses to be useless, they are afraid of responsibility, afraid of removing the obvious control from their manipulators because they are subconsciously committed to being controlled by others, or something other than themselves.

Nothing in life happens automatically, everything we see and experience is the results of our ways, ways we control, the results of someone/s control.

Taking control is the only way anything can happen. If you choose not to take control…someone else definitely will. This you can see clearly on many levels in many corners of the world.

If we were here just to observe and control none of what we see… we wouldn’t have the need for bodies, intellect, emotions, discussions, etc…as life would be a waste, nothing to observe, nothing to learn from, nothing to see, no purpose.

Peace

Ever wondered about spontaneous thoughts that occur when we renunciate our little self completely and when the mind is completely still. I'm not debating but just sharing my experience or should I say when I took myself out of any experience.

Peace of Mind
10th February 2016, 18:50
with enough knowledge of both you can control how much heaven and hell you want to experience at any giving time. The choice is always there, but most people’s conformity precedes reality… as many seem to be blindly living for others in one way or another.


Strong point. People live according to criterion set by society, family and so on. My wife always want me to shave before going out. Heaven and hell are both illusions as the middle way is being between both extremes and be unaffected by the heaven or hell. There's no need to control anything.




The Ego is the body’s mind; it does what it can to advance it, to protect it. The compassionate person will always reveal his/her ability to tame the ego, with ease.


I ask these questions for readers to realise that negativity is not always negativity. Just like the mud feeds the beautiful lotus, pain makes one seek bliss, suffering makes one become detached. Gautama became buddha because he wanted to end suffering.






"Do we ignore the mud on which the lotus blooms?"

Why ignore the mud…is there something wrong with it?

Peace

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Indeed, they are both illusions… as is everything we perceive to be real. We are all artist, and reality is the canvass of the mind. What exist in the mind can be placed in reality…but only with enough concentration, attention… detail focused strokes of the paint brush. Without intent there is nothing, no change, no momentum. To change anything on the canvass, the idea must first exist in the mind.

Heaven and Hell are ideas; ideas we choose to acknowledge. And if for nothing else… to recognize and analyze circumstances. Control is a choice. The world suffers because wicket people choose to be as so, wicket people choose to take control, they choose to disempower the populace for obvious reasons. They choose to design clever ways to keep the masses docile and unresponsive to their control over the masses.… and have been succeeding in it for no other reason than having the “Manipulated” not take control.

The world suffers because the masses are trained to look for ways/excuses to be useless, they are afraid of responsibility, afraid of removing the obvious control from their manipulators because they are subconsciously committed to being controlled by others, or something other than themselves.

Nothing in life happens automatically, everything we see and experience is the results of our ways, ways we control, the results of someone/s control.

Taking control is the only way anything can happen. If you choose not to take control…someone else definitely will. This you can see clearly on many levels in many corners of the world.

If we were here just to observe and control none of what we see… we wouldn’t have the need for bodies, intellect, emotions, discussions, etc…as life would be a waste, nothing to observe, nothing to learn from, nothing to see, no purpose.

Peace

Ever wondered about spontaneous thoughts that occur when we renunciate our little self completely and when the mind is completely still. I'm not debating but just sharing my experience or should I say when I took myself out of any experience.


This is where/how the best creativity starts. Everything was once a spontaneous thought (that car, that door, that pencil, that computer, that toothbrush, that cat food, taxes, welfare, wars, poverty, inequality, etc), it is why I think so highly of the human species. We are so resourceful, powerful to the core, yet easy to influence because of our lack in wanting to generate solutions and/or regulate inefficiencies. This “lack” isn’t so much a natural manifestation, but the result of being disempowered.

In meditation, I can easily recognize that we are all the “magnificent-insignificant”, a specie of great potential, yet, in many ways fragile as a flower. We are little, but only in scale and by way of our thinking.

In that moment of stillness, the universe is at the helm. The subconscious mind/high self/universe becomes more accessible…your purpose becomes evident, the universe works in haste and creates for you more efficiently … as there is little to no distracting noise to alter the focus, or that true desire struggling to materialize in your portrait of life.

Death is the only way to truly remove yourself from this experience. Everything on that canvass is connected, notice the curvy lines meeting the straight lines, and how it all came from within (our collective thinking). When people struggle to find a sense of purpose, fail to see the phenom in self and their ability to create… they will often find a comfortable way to give up, inevitably becoming a victim/ unwanted prop in someone else’s reality....It’s not that hard to tell because there is so much complaining, stress, and hopelessness in the world.

Being inactive is not really a good thing to do when attempting to bring change into the world. Speaking for myself...I find no solace in knowing the world is suffering when I (and others) have the power to change it for the better. It's actually more simple than people make it out to be, we just have to truly want to make the changes...but soon after you give your full commitment... the imagination kicks in and you'll gain more control in painting the future.

Peace

greybeard
10th February 2016, 19:56
One man's ceiling another ones floor. (Paul Simon)
Some will feel very uncomfortable in pleasant situations---not enough drama.
They might even go to great lengths to provoke.
Most are not at ease in threatening environment and will do anything to escape.
These feelings are down to conditioning and are held deep in the subconscious---this can bring on a virtually automatic response to some situations.

Seems on death that we go to a realm that we are comfortable with---same or similar vibration.
In my Fathers house are many mansions.

Chris

Clear Light
10th February 2016, 20:30
One man's ceiling another ones floor. (Paul Simon)
Some will feel very uncomfortable in pleasant situations---not enough drama.
They might even go to great lengths to provoke.
Most are not at ease in threatening environment and will do anything to escape.
These feelings are down to conditioning and are held deep in the subconscious---this can bring on a virtually automatic response to some situations.

Seems on death that we go to a realm that we are comfortable with---same or similar vibration.
In my Fathers house are many mansions.

Chris

Ah, but surely such a provocateur is only successful if their target remains unaware he/she has been triggered eh ? ;)



Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it -
what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and
misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires
that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.

Carlos Casteneda

Innocent Warrior
10th February 2016, 21:44
The subconscious mind only knows what it's been told is "heaven or hell" by others and what we reinforce. Or, once we become aware, it knows what we have told it ourselves. The experience of heaven or hell (sticking strictly to the mechanics of the SC mind here) is subject to how we perceive our environment because that's what our biology responds to.

Every human feels unease once a threat is perceived, by human design, from right down at our cellular level the motivation is to move away from threats, hence the SC mind will always motivate us to move away from perceived threats and towards that which is perceived to be good. The difference in each individual is what is perceived as a threat and how we respond to it - but always we will feel compelled to move away from a perceived threat and move towards that which is not, that's human biology.

We can override the conditioning of our SC mind by being fully present in each moment because while we are observing our mind the old programming we received from others is not in effect. The processing power of the SC mind is a million times more powerful than that of our conscious mind, however, all that is not true (perceived threats etc.) is dissolved in the light of the awareness that we are and in the process we are telling the SC mind what is true because that's what we perceive when in full awareness.

There are tools we can employ, like meditation and energy psychology etc. which can also greatly assist us in reprogramming our SC mind, bringing it more in alignment with us and our truth and peace but to put it simply; the fate of our human self is determined by our environment and it's up to us to tell it what our environment really is, threatening or not, heaven or hell etc.

TraineeHuman
11th February 2016, 10:36
According to my experience and careful reflection, the ego is ultimately the source of all the hellishness in our lives. It's true that the ego is created in the subconscious, initially by Nature. ("I didn't do it!") So, I'd agree that the ultimate origin of all our hellish experience does reside in the subconscious.


On the other hand, our experiences of Heaven come from and through what in the Vedic and transpersonal traditions is called our Superconsciousness. That's a part of us that's an observing "mind" or, rather, consciousness. Not only an observer, but the Superconsciousness knows itself to be the master of the whole hellish "stage play" and that it can bring the whole thing to a halt, by its being present.


Rather than bringing it to a halt, though, the Superconsciousness, if active, normally transforms all this into being an expression of bliss (or love) and oneness, and right enjoyment.


I guess Jung used the term "subconscious" or "unconscious" to include the Superconsciousness, but that seems a little misleading to me. Particularly so since the Superconsciousness can become, and ideally should become, active and conscious rather than being dormant and sleeping somewhere in the shadows.

Clear Light
11th February 2016, 11:47
Oh, IMHE our "sense of self", is merely a "Projection" ! I mean isn't it what "people" do all day ? Go around "projecting" themselves, telling stories and validating each other’s "reality" ... yet via techniques such as "meditation" the illusion is exposed and maybe, just maybe, "you" get a glimpse of reality-as-it-is when the "self" projection ceases eh ? :)

What remains is called, amongst other names : “non-dual awareness” !


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Must dash now, got a train to catch ... c ya :biggrin1:

ozmirage
11th February 2016, 13:36
If like attracts like, then it is simple.

One should seek to become a person you wouldn’t mind spending eternity with, lest you become a person that you would hate to spend eternity with.