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giovonni
13th February 2016, 12:32
the latest melancholia for your inspection ...

From Leak Project's Rex Bear

Nibiru Will Pass Earth Before November 2017,
The Evidence w/ Investigator David Meade

Descriptive: via PlanetXnews.com (http://planetxnews.com/2016/01/24/the-revelation-sign-of-planet-x-in-2017/) ~ insider reports dating back to the 1980s indicate that the Planet X system will dramatically impact the earth with meteor showers, seismic activity and a pole shift. Insiders have stated since this time that the arrival of Planet X would be in the second half of the second decade of the 21st century – 2016 to 2020.

The primary reason we have not been able to discern the very time of its arrival is that we have separated science and the Bible. The two actually mesh perfectly.

Here is a critical piece of information on its timing:

“A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” Rev.12:1-2.

The great sign of The Woman as described in Revelation 12:1-2 forms and lasts for only a few hours. According to computer generated astronomical models, this sign has never before occurred in human history. It will occur once on September 23, 2017. It will never occur again. When it occurs, it places the Earth immediately before the time of the Sixth Seal of Revelation.'


Bio
David Meade studied astronomy, among other subjects, at the University of Louisville. After graduation, he worked in forensic investigations for a number of years. The last 10 years he has spent with Fortune 1000 Companies, writing special reports for management. He is a specialist in research and investigations. He has 10 books to his credit. He enjoys relating science and the Bible. He believes Planet X is a perfect marriage of the two.

Book (http://www.amazon.com/David-Meade/e/B00D2D62AE)

Published on Feb 13, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOJjtVNiuLU&feature=em-uploademail

seah
13th February 2016, 14:01
interesting point of view, but it is not part of my reality. The earth I presently reside on will not be shifting poles.

giovonni
13th February 2016, 14:41
interesting point of view, but it is not part of my reality. The earth I presently reside on will not be shifting poles.

hmm ...

Interesting that - if it's not in your reality/mind then why bother view/posting ...

Perhaps your not quite so sure yet?

earthadvocate
13th February 2016, 14:52
Would the Garabandal warning have anything to do with this? I wonder,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoqpuYK826o#t=59

Loren
13th February 2016, 15:37
Can I come to your earth ? Sounds like a safer one .

Sunny-side-up
13th February 2016, 17:22
interesting point of view, but it is not part of my reality. The earth I presently reside on will not be shifting poles.

hmm ...

Interesting that - if it's not in your reality/mind then why bother view/posting ...

Perhaps your not quite so sure yet?

Hi giovonni
My higher self agrees with seah.

The reason for seah replying/posting might be in acknowledgment to your post and as a positive statement of seah's higher self.

Interesting post, will watch vid to night :)

giovonni
13th February 2016, 17:30
interesting point of view, but it is not part of my reality. The earth I presently reside on will not be shifting poles.

hmm ...

Interesting that - if it's not in your reality/mind then why bother view/posting ...

Perhaps your not quite so sure yet?

Hi giovonni
My higher self agrees with seah.

The reason for seah replying/posting might be in acknowledgment to your post and as a positive statement of seah's higher self.

Interesting post, will watch vid to night :)

The bottom line, sh!t happens on this plane ...

That's what my higher self says ... :)

Ultima Thule
13th February 2016, 17:34
Please take no offense.

Nibiru. Urineinabin spelled backwards (almost) which has to mean it is a reliable method of recurrent piss-me-off.


UT
:focus:

giovonni
13th February 2016, 17:36
Speaking of ... will share this here

The Ninth Planet/ Open Lines

With host Jimmy Church

February 12, 2016 (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/02/12)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi0qXR1Kk_s

Hazelfern
13th February 2016, 17:48
Thanks for the thread. I'll be listening later today.

In the mean time, the date 11/17 is tantalizing.
For the longest time that date has been burned into my mind.
I don't know why or where it originated and honestly, I have not been able to identify whether it was November 17th of any year or November 2017.

I am always on the look out for a major celestial event.

dim
13th February 2016, 18:12
yet some more dubious photos of some who knows what...
another insider, another science expert...
another stretch test to our gullibility
and certainly a reason for yet another book out to capture imaginations
half of them deep in the dna memories of shifts long gone
and the other half of a (death) wish out of misery

thankfully '17 isn't far away

giovonni
13th February 2016, 18:29
yet some more dubious photos of some who knows what...
another insider, another science expert...
another stretch test to our gullibility
and certainly a reason for yet another book out to capture imaginations
half of them deep in the dna memories of shifts long gone
and the other half of a (death) wish out of misery

thankfully '17 isn't far away

Greetings Dim,

Your post might of carried some weight for me five years ago my friend,
Though generalized denial doesn't match up anymore.

pyrangello
13th February 2016, 19:37
Listened to some of the interview, talking about the underground bases and why all the resources thrown at them and trillions of dollars missing, can't deny that. . Going to another side of info, Zeta talk predictions this week in their weekly newsletter states that planet x will be announced before the US elections . Hip-pity Hop down the rabbit hole we go .

Calz
13th February 2016, 20:56
Well done interview. David Meade seems quite grounded and has the background to put this together.

Thank you gio for posting it :)

mojo
13th February 2016, 21:21
In the OP video he mentions that Panet X is an absolute fact. Does the majority on the forum feel that is the case? I would love to lay to rest the answer on that fact. There are many opposing views and maybe thats what the gov wants to do is confuse the issue. Im also upset if it is an absolute fact why hasnt the gov stepped forward? It seems we cant trust the political leaders for anything much less Planet X.

giovonni
13th February 2016, 22:09
In the OP video he mentions that Panet X is an absolute fact. Does the majority on the forum feel that is the case? I would love to lay to rest the answer on that fact. There are many opposing views and maybe thats what the gov wants to do is confuse the issue. Im also upset if it is an absolute fact why hasnt the gov stepped forward? It seems we cant trust the political leaders for anything much less Planet X.

Note, I can understand that there are those (figuratively) sitting on the fence regarding these possibilities ...
But please - with trillions missing, even essential medicines in shortages, and governments in chaos ...
There is so much intentional and nonsensical world disruption abounding us in distracted fear ...
Something is truly up - And I sense it is dark kept secret that is about to implode.

Calz
13th February 2016, 22:16
Meade gives *very* specific details on which software to use with the *exact* co-ordinates to prove this for ourselves.

I have not done so ... but logic would certainly dictate he would not do so to promote his new book if not true.

Right????


Google has "patches" to cover this up and it is possible pressure will quickly be brought to bear on this other source ... but at least for me, it shows his integrity.

seah
14th February 2016, 02:45
interesting point of view, but it is not part of my reality. The earth I presently reside on will not be shifting poles.

hmm ...

Interesting that - if it's not in your reality/mind then why bother view/posting ...

Perhaps your not quite so sure yet?

hey gio, I'm sure that pole shifting is propaganda....:)

if I had a penny for every post I open that doesn't resonate with me I'd be a rich woman.

and why post, you ask? this is the thing, gio, thoughts are things. I try to keep mine positive.

giovonni
14th February 2016, 04:08
interesting point of view, but it is not part of my reality. The earth I presently reside on will not be shifting poles.

hmm ...

Interesting that - if it's not in your reality/mind then why bother view/posting ...

Perhaps your not quite so sure yet?

hey gio, I'm sure that pole shifting is propaganda....:)

if I had a penny for every post I open that doesn't resonate with me I'd be a rich woman.

and why post, you ask? this is the thing, gio, thoughts are things. I try to keep mine positive.

Keep trying your best ... giggle :)

Sunny-side-up
14th February 2016, 12:30
interesting point of view, but it is not part of my reality. The earth I presently reside on will not be shifting poles.

hmm ...

Interesting that - if it's not in your reality/mind then why bother view/posting ...

Perhaps your not quite so sure yet?

Hi giovonni
My higher self agrees with seah.

The reason for seah replying/posting might be in acknowledgment to your post and as a positive statement of seah's higher self.

Interesting post, will watch vid to night :)

The bottom line, sh!t happens on this plane ...

That's what my higher self says ... :)

:) careful the energies you invite gio, bolster against those you don't wan't to invite.
I focus on positive creation in my realm, only focus on raised vib's
So paint the realm you live in with the vib's you expect to live in :sun:

greybeard
14th February 2016, 13:03
There is, in duality, a shared reality---so there is not an opt out.
However there are degrees to the way individuals are affected by events--some will suffer greatly some will hardly be affected.
For me the important realisation is that I am not the body (I do have one however) At core I am eternal, unchanging and fully knowing this is my priority.
This knowing, even partial, virtually removes fear and leads to an acceptance of what is.

Chris

giovonni
14th February 2016, 14:15
interesting point of view, but it is not part of my reality. The earth I presently reside on will not be shifting poles.

hmm ...

Interesting that - if it's not in your reality/mind then why bother view/posting ...

Perhaps your not quite so sure yet?

Hi giovonni
My higher self agrees with seah.

The reason for seah replying/posting might be in acknowledgment to your post and as a positive statement of seah's higher self.

Interesting post, will watch vid to night :)

The bottom line, sh!t happens on this plane ...

That's what my higher self says ... :)

:) careful the energies you invite gio, bolster against those you don't wan't to invite.
I focus on positive creation in my realm, only focus on raised vib's
So paint the realm you live in with the vib's you expect to live in :sun:

Being observant of the possibilities is not inviting anything.


There is, in duality, a shared reality---so there is not an opt out.
However there are degrees to the way individuals are affected by events--some will suffer greatly some will hardly be affected.
For me the important realisation is that I am not the body (I do have one however) At core I am eternal, unchanging and fully knowing this is my priority.
This knowing, even partial, virtually removes fear and leads to an acceptance of what is.

Chris

Yes indeed Chris, there comes a time in everyone's life ...

And being such a realist has brought me peace of mind.

Foxie Loxie
14th February 2016, 15:25
Even though I was raised in the "Biblical" mindset, I now have a hard time accepting this collection of books as some sort of "final authority". After all, it was simply a collection of books used to reinforce the political agenda of Rome as a means to the end of controlling the public. Whatever the true Jesus Movement was, went by the wayside when Rome took over Christianity. My humble opinion. :Angel:

giovonni
14th February 2016, 15:41
Even though I was raised in the "Biblical" mindset, I now have a hard time accepting this collection of books as some sort of "final authority". After all, it was simply a collection of books used to reinforce the political agenda of Rome as a means to the end of controlling the public. Whatever the true Jesus Movement was, went by the wayside when Rome took over Christianity. My humble opinion. :Angel:

Setting theology and religion aside ...

I am wondering if you listened to the interview ?

Though I gave up my religion years ago, there within the scriptures lies much truths.

norman
14th February 2016, 15:50
If they update Google sky as 'often' as they update google earth/streetview, I won't be bothering to check out the cybersky.

In streetview, my house still has a car parked outside that I sold 7 years ago!

Hazelfern
14th February 2016, 18:01
If they update Google sky as 'often' as they update google earth/streetview, I won't be bothering to check out the cybersky.

In streetview, my house still has a car parked outside that I sold 7 years ago!

Funny you mention that! I just looked this morning, actually I hit the app by mistake and noticed
they FINALLY updated the photo.

Dumpster Diver
14th February 2016, 19:59
Latest David Wilcock/Corey Goode sideshow tosses out Nirbru/Sitchen stuff as Cabal propaganda.

Since I'm picking my reality these days, I'll go with DW/CG on this one.

mojo
14th February 2016, 20:39
Since I'm picking my reality these days, I'll go with DW/CG on this one

You should have chosen the Blue Pill... ;)

1jfK5vi-51A

Safari
15th February 2016, 10:47
I've been seeing 1117 for aprox a year now and always thought that it was related to angelic numbers...

Safari
15th February 2016, 10:55
I thank you for this post. Although no one can say for sure when the New Earth will arrive, we do know that it already exist and that the time is very near. Blessings

jaybee
15th February 2016, 12:13
Latest David Wilcock/Corey Goode sideshow tosses out Nirbru/Sitchen stuff as Cabal propaganda.

Since I'm picking my reality these days, I'll go with DW/CG on this one.


I can understand Sitchen and Nibiru theories being trashed to hide the truth from us for whatever reason - but I don't see how creating Nibiru/Sitchen stuff as propaganda could be useful ..??

I know people have tried to say Sitchen was Illuminati / Cabal or similar - in other words an out and out fake - but I doubt this very much - it doesn't make sense to me -

Thanks for video, giovonni going to watch it later ---

.

Hazelfern
15th February 2016, 14:35
I've been seeing 1117 for aprox a year now and always thought that it was related to angelic numbers...

Good to know I am not alone. Speak of angelic numbers if you can. For me, its really like a nagging awareness of something that happened long ago or will happen. I've never been able to shake it.

Julian
15th February 2016, 15:00
I continue to be surprised that people are not more aware of this. Spend some time on this channel and check out the photographic evidence. This system will be passing by us in a matter of months and all the chem trails you see covering the sun are part of the attempt to keep us in the dark.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzgiy1ILy6_jwdG3nxrW-nQ

marique3652
15th February 2016, 16:59
If they update Google sky as 'often' as they update google earth/streetview, I won't be bothering to check out the cybersky.

In streetview, my house still has a car parked outside that I sold 7 years ago!


Sorry for laughing but your statement about in streetview your car sold 7 years ago is parked in your yard on google earth. On google earth for 1 year and 9 months, if one used google earth to view my home from above my home one would have seen my naked butt (and rest of me) floating on a float facedown relaxing in my pool. Imagine my horror when just for ****s and giggles I google-earthed my address and on zooming down some, saw my nakedness in the pool. I was horrified and embarrassed and prayed that no one else googled my address, but alas being a new home for me, some friends and family unbeknownst to me google earthed my address to take a look at what my neighbor and house looked like....and saw my nekked butt and the rest of me floating in my pool. That situation was resolved when they updated the view, but to this day I am lovingly called "google butt" by friends and family. You cannot imagine my distain of google earth!!! No privacy from above even in the privacy and seclusion of one's own pool. I live in the woods literally with animals and trees as my neighbors. Never once occurred to me that I would be viewed from above. No more pool nudity for me!!!!!

Nick Matkin
15th February 2016, 17:16
I continue to be surprised that people are not more aware of this. Spend some time on this channel and check out the photographic evidence. This system will be passing by us in a matter of months and all the chem trails you see covering the sun are part of the attempt to keep us in the dark.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzgiy1ILy6_jwdG3nxrW-nQ

So the chemtrails must be sprayed everywhere when the sun is in full view to mask Nibiru. I wonder how they do that? And why?

marique3652
15th February 2016, 17:23
Sorry for the redundancy in the body of my reply. I tried to fix it but obviously it did not work.

[mod note: now fixed :) , Hervé]

DNA
15th February 2016, 17:32
The primary reason we have not been able to discern the very time of its arrival is that we have separated science and the Bible. The two actually mesh perfectly.

Here is a critical piece of information on its timing:

“A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” Rev.12:1-2.

The great sign of The Woman as described in Revelation 12:1-2 forms and lasts for only a few hours. According to computer generated astronomical models, this sign has never before occurred in human history. It will occur once on September 23, 2017. It will never occur again. When it occurs, it places the Earth immediately before the time of the Sixth Seal of Revelation.'

This certainly might indicate some troubling times ala Edgar Cayce, but I see no correlation to make me think Nibiru is coming.

Just the same though, I'll respect your Biblical impact and raise you a killer Biblical rock song.

For those who have not experienced the sheer beauty of this Aphrodite's Child Love song,,,enjoy. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_WwiwWxDd8

giovonni
15th February 2016, 18:29
The primary reason we have not been able to discern the very time of its arrival is that we have separated science and the Bible. The two actually mesh perfectly.

Here is a critical piece of information on its timing:

“A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” Rev.12:1-2.

The great sign of The Woman as described in Revelation 12:1-2 forms and lasts for only a few hours. According to computer generated astronomical models, this sign has never before occurred in human history. It will occur once on September 23, 2017. It will never occur again. When it occurs, it places the Earth immediately before the time of the Sixth Seal of Revelation.'

This certainly might indicate some troubling times ala Edgar Cayce, but I see no correlation to make me think Nibiru is coming.

Just the same though, I'll respect your Biblical impact and raise you a killer Biblical rock song.

For those who have not experienced the sheer beauty of this Aphrodite's Child Love song,,,enjoy. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_WwiwWxDd8

Thanks for the video ... :)

Lets keep things in context ...

The above is from the OP (via) Mr Meade the interviewee descriptive ...

Though I will say after the recent speculative revelations of other celestial objects possibly in the
far reaches of our solar system circulating - I'm also coming around - so to speak.

And note. I am not worried a bit, but renewed in my determination to live my life to the fullest.

araucaria
15th February 2016, 19:11
I posted the other day on how and why Zecharia Sitchin may be partly misleading: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88699-Robert-O.-Dean-Interview&p=1045701&viewfull=1#post1045701
Obviously, while this precludes Nibiru from being on a 3600-year orbital cycle, it does not rule out any other object circulating in our skies this year, next year or whenever. But even in Sitchin’s scenario, he states clearly that what he describes as Nibiru is not due back anytime soon.

mojo
15th February 2016, 19:32
no correlation to make me think Nibiru is coming.

Does anything you read or hear make it valid that Planet X is coming? I think we can blame the mainstream news channels. They are simply not ready to share the truth so alternative news is the only way to hear. News channels hinted at Nibiru but I haven't seen a report stating the fact...but leaked info will come..
Living life to fullest yes... in any situation...

Can we interpret anything from the lack of news reporting ie, Nibiru is going to cause turmoil so they wait until its here and obvious... can we assume lack of reporting is for a reason?

giovonni
15th February 2016, 19:52
no correlation to make me think Nibiru is coming.

Does anything you read or hear make it valid that Planet X is coming? I think we can blame the mainstream news channels. They are simply not ready to share the truth so alternative news is the only way to hear. News channels hinted at Nibiru but I haven't seen a report stating the fact...but leaked info will come..
Living life to fullest yes... in any situation...

Can we interpret anything from the lack of news reporting ie, Nibiru is going to cause turmoil so they wait until its here and obvious... can we assume lack of reporting is for a reason?

Who's quote are you posting and asking Mojo?

marique3652
15th February 2016, 20:01
Thank you Herve for fixing that for me, for some reason I was unable to edit.

mojo
15th February 2016, 20:03
DNA mentioned it..;)

quiltinggrandma
15th February 2016, 20:23
I have been viewing Kameran Fally,,and i must say he sounds convincing.I would really like to know what others think of him.My thanks go to Gio for starting this thread.Until the time comes,,i keep one foot in,,one foot out,,after that,,well where would we run?In the end we will all take it as it comes.I refuse to be afraid of it.Bless you Bluebreard,,,keep the peace.

pueblo
15th February 2016, 21:24
I have been viewing Kameran Fally,,and i must say he sounds convincing.I would really like to know what others think of him.My thanks go to Gio for starting this thread.Until the time comes,,i keep one foot in,,one foot out,,after that,,well where would we run?In the end we will all take it as it comes.I refuse to be afraid of it.Bless you Bluebreard,,,keep the peace.

I watched a couple of interviews he did with Kerry Cassidy, and yes he is very convincing. He does not paint an optimistic picture though, claiming it will off kick off around the start of the Olympics after 3 days of darkness in June I think?

Hard to get a good discerning read on some of the doom stuff though...and as you say, where would we run to? The hills??

mojo
15th February 2016, 21:27
can anyone respond to why they think the mainstream news is relatively quiet?

giovonni
15th February 2016, 22:07
can anyone respond to why they think the mainstream news is relatively quiet?

IMO

I don't believe its in the interest (yet) for the Cabal MSM Media to blow this all up ...

A slow leaking of info would probably serve the elites best interest at this juncture.

There's already plenty of distracting news items to keep everyone busy in fear without creating panic ...
And if and when any incoming celestial objects might be detected say via independent astronomers on the lookout - then this might be a cue for further leakage into the MSM. I would imagine that's how those in control would prefer to keep it for now.

Note here's a few reported news items in these regards ...
Which fit nicely into a disclose/distract effect ...

Astronomers say a Neptune-sized planet lurks beyond Pluto
(http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/feature-astronomers-say-neptune-sized-planet-lurks-unseen-solar-system)

Planet X, or Nibiru, is on a crash course with Earth, doomsayers believe —
prophecies draw new focus with 'Planet Nine' discovery
(http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/planet-x-nibiru-headed-earth-doomsayers-article-1.2504846)

Evidence grows for giant planet on fringes of Solar System (http://www.nature.com/news/evidence-grows-for-giant-planet-on-fringes-of-solar-system-1.19182)

Gigantic Celestial Wrecking Ball Headed for Earth
(http://brussellsprout.blogspot.com/2013/11/gigantic-wrecking-ball-headed-toward.html)

As long as nothing is reportedly confirmed by ant major governments,
don't expect much from CNN, Fox, BBC and even RT.

pueblo
15th February 2016, 22:19
can anyone respond to why they think the mainstream news is relatively quiet?

Kameran Fally I think said they (NASA?) were using lasers to obscure and hide it from view...would maybe explain why it's not being picked up by independent astronomers?

giovonni
15th February 2016, 22:43
Have always been fascinated in how Hollywood impregnates imagery into the collective consciousness ...

In 2011 director Lars von Trier, gave us this beautifully photographed but disturbing scripted story.

Meloncolhia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melancholia_%282011_film%29)

Note please re-frame from viewing if easily impregnated ... :rolleyes:

"Melancholia" - Ending scene

'Earth crashes into the rouge planet Melancholia'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcZWZhUozr4

Hazelfern
15th February 2016, 23:14
I was reluctant to share this but giovonni’s posts indicated that it was ok to go.

The reasons why I gravitate to this subject are dreams that I have had regarding a celestial event. The dreams started in the mid 90’s, not dreams so much but out of body experiences that were later lumped into dreams. The date of 11/17 was also deposited into my memory in the same time frame (mid 90’s)

Dream 1 – I awoke in the waters off of Bimini, waist deep.
early 90’s. Days later I received a pamphlet from the A.R.E. I did not initiate this. See and read Edgar for the pole shift. This will happen in a later generation. Here we are.

Dream 2 – Taken to Mars
mid 90’s. Witnessed a group of humanoids working feverishly on a ‘war ship’ deep underground. I may have misread what I was being shown. War ship?

Dream 3 – A woman of great power asked me “Do you know what time it is”
late 90’s

(next decade spent taking care of family and no meaningful dreams)

Dream 4 – A decision to be made as I watched the water come into the valley, run for the hills or just let go into the water?
2013

What good is this information unless I do something to prepare and survive?

Perhaps I have unknowingly been part of a great big experiment in mind control or maybe I am here to learn to be unafraid. What greater time to learn to be unafraid when the sky has everyone’s attention.

giovonni
15th February 2016, 23:30
Very interesting insights Nonin and thank you for sharing ...

And at this time - if anyone has anything - dreams/thoughts/concerns in these regards they might like to share - Please do ...:thumb:

Houman
16th February 2016, 14:32
http://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/current/cgi/query.pl
enter "13 50 44, -8 13 59.7" in coordinates of source
select IRIS100 in IRAS

Jean-Marie
16th February 2016, 14:44
Houman,

I see they have blocked the image with a black square. Frustrating!

giovonni
16th February 2016, 15:11
http://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/current/cgi/query.pl
enter "13 50 44, -8 13 59.7" in coordinates of source
select IRIS100 in IRAS



Houman,

I see they have blocked the image with a black square. Frustrating!

I would assume this is your posted/point Houman,

which shouldn't be surprising.

http://i.imgur.com/D6Q4qEzl.jpg

Houman
16th February 2016, 15:12
Houman,

I see they have blocked the image with a black square. Frustrating!

yep... that's not the first time...

giovonni
16th February 2016, 20:36
will share this here ...


Interesting show ...
got to spend some time with Brooks Agnew a few years back, he has a brilliant mind ... :)


Planetary Change * Double Earths

Guests: Peter Ward, Brooks Agnew

February 15, 2016 (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/02/15)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-gtVymcgkw

Harley
16th February 2016, 20:42
http://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/current/cgi/query.pl
enter "13 50 44, -8 13 59.7" in coordinates of source
select IRIS100 in IRAS

http://i.imgur.com/D6Q4qEzl.jpg

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IRAS:

http://i.imgur.com/vZXBGb5l.jpg

(Zoomed)

http://i.imgur.com/93DIsaEl.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/a3OtgJXl.jpg

Zoomed

http://i.imgur.com/vEqbFcvl.jpg

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WAZZAT???

seah
16th February 2016, 23:20
Very interesting insights Nonin and thank you for sharing ...

And at this time - if anyone has anything - dreams/thoughts/concerns in these regards they might like to share - Please do ...:thumb:

gio, I really got to ask, what is your intention behind this call out? What motivates you to want folks with dreams of such events, thoughts and concerns about said event to come here and spell it all out for the masses?

mojo
17th February 2016, 01:29
What!!!!!
That image above with the blacked out square in the photo. What would be a reason to block this out? National security? Im sorry if that sounds ignorant but really blocking out an image like that only means they dont want us to see whats behind it? Is there a before image on the same area or did anyone find an image before it was blocked out.? To me blocking out a piece of outer space means only one thing that this is not a harmless object coming our way.

mojo
17th February 2016, 01:41
yes why did they cover it up?
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giovonni
17th February 2016, 02:18
Very interesting insights Nonin and thank you for sharing ...

And at this time - if anyone has anything - dreams/thoughts/concerns in these regards they might like to share - Please do ...:thumb:

gio, I really got to ask, what is your intention behind this call out? What motivates you to want folks with dreams of such events, thoughts and concerns about said event to come here and spell it all out for the masses?

I am only encouraging those who might also like to contribute here to do so ...
Perhaps its time to put that kind of fear mongering bogeyman you suggest away.

Wide-Eyed
17th February 2016, 02:52
Very interesting insights Nonin and thank you for sharing ...

And at this time - if anyone has anything - dreams/thoughts/concerns in these regards they might like to share - Please do ...:thumb:

gio, I really got to ask, what is your intention behind this call out? What motivates you to want folks with dreams of such events, thoughts and concerns about said event to come here and spell it all out for the masses?

I am only encouraging those who might also like to contribute here to do so ...
Perhaps its time to put that kind of fear mongering bogeyman you suggest away.

Perhaps Seah saw your post in thread "Golden Gatherings with a Lust to share" #2272 with the Top 5 Vids post? It specifically describes shows unnerving images of beatings and death. Perche? E' molto brutto, what does that encourage? Just thinkin....

giovonni
17th February 2016, 03:08
Very interesting insights Nonin and thank you for sharing ...

And at this time - if anyone has anything - dreams/thoughts/concerns in these regards they might like to share - Please do ...:thumb:

gio, I really got to ask, what is your intention behind this call out? What motivates you to want folks with dreams of such events, thoughts and concerns about said event to come here and spell it all out for the masses?

I am only encouraging those who might also like to contribute here to do so ...
Perhaps its time to put that kind of fear mongering bogeyman you suggest away.

Perhaps Seah saw your post in thread "Golden Gatherings with a Lust to share" #2272 with the Top 5 Vids post? It specifically describes shows unnerving images of beatings and death. Perche? E' molto brutto, what does that encourage? Just thinkin....

Or perhaps your just reaching again ... :)

Just saying.




America is a poorer nation with the loss of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

Say what you will about his body of work, but Justice Scalia was a staunch advocate for state's rights and saw the constitution as a contract with the American people.

Not a rubric, which could be changed on the whim of public opinion.

I respected his opinions on the dramatic overreach of Washington impinging on local rule.

I will miss his voice defending American's liberties as inherent and not granted by government.

Didn't A. Scalia believe or rule that the Bill Of Rights curtailed government intrusion into the life of its citizens, that those rights are granted to every human.

How so? He believed and ruled on 1st amendment that corporations donating money to PACS and donating money to political parties is free speech under constitution, corporations are people ruling instrumental to getting that beautiful amendment passed and ruling across the court. The 1 % er's then had a number$$$ to go and own every court house, state house, White House, Senate and congress. Game over, thanks Antonin whose father is Sicilian BTW. Means nothing I'm sure I'm just reaching. I think it was Newht G. that did a study with some think tank, that had that # at around $435 million back in the day when Newht was relevant and all of this maneuvering by Oligarchs to curtain our rights. Corporatist Justice . RIP.

Shame on You !!!

Wide-Eyed
17th February 2016, 03:13
Yes. means nothing I'm certain I'm reaching:bigsmile:

giovonni
17th February 2016, 03:23
Yes. means nothing I'm certain I'm reaching:bigsmile:

I don't think so.

Both cursichella1 and myself have family from that region of Italy ...

I believe they call such suggestion racist.

And it's not funny.

Please note.


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giovonni
17th February 2016, 03:32
I also find you derailing of this thread inappropriate ...

But so be it.

At least others now know what you are.

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:bump: ...


will share this here ...


Interesting show ...
got to spend some time with Brooks Agnew a few years back, he has a brilliant mind ... :)


Planetary Change * Double Earths

Guests: Peter Ward, Brooks Agnew

February 15, 2016 (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/02/15)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8ldaIlyXPc&index=15&list=PL7K-eMzPaqs_uW9yVwd6gP6LdU5mv2uDk

Wide-Eyed
17th February 2016, 03:41
Yes. means nothing I'm certain I'm reaching:bigsmile:

I don't think so.

Both cursichella1 and myself have family from that region of Italy ...

I believe they call such suggestion racist.

And it's not funny.

Please note.


The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to giovonni For This Post:

cursichella1 (Yesterday), DNA (14th February 2016), mgray (14th February 2016)

Gio it was a poor or crude reference to THE BlacK Hand and Mi dispiace' ... anche Io ho molti familia i amici Italianni :sorry::focus:

giovonni
17th February 2016, 03:50
Yes. means nothing I'm certain I'm reaching:bigsmile:

I don't think so.

Both cursichella1 and myself have family from that region of Italy ...

I believe they call such suggestion racist.

And it's not funny.

Please note.


The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to giovonni For This Post:

cursichella1 (Yesterday), DNA (14th February 2016), mgray (14th February 2016)

Gio it was a poor or crude reference to THE BlacK Hand and Mi dispiace' ... anche Io ho molti familia i amici Italianni :sorry::focus:

Yes - I would imagine from Northern Italy.

giovonni
17th February 2016, 06:19
hmm ...

Being made curious by some reactions to this thread ... And after reviewing other threads on this subject matter,
I found some particular members are quite adamantly against discussing this topic.

Almost as compelling as the subject matter itself.

giovonni
17th February 2016, 15:29
some more weighing in ...

Feet to the Fire: Dr. Richard Alan Miller on Planet X(s)

What about all the stuff coming out about Planet X's ?

"Dr. RAM has been following the recent release of info on various large bodies being discovered in our solar system. He asked a friend (at JPL) to look into some things (see link) and has a loose mathematical theory on calculating the closest approach based on the shape and length of the orbits. Also, in light of last weeks show with Terra;l on
The Black Star (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9WfoYtqqrE), I will get Richard's take on the various Planet X's floating around the Internet."


Biography:

Author and researcher Dr. Richard Alan Miller reveals a depth of knowledge and experience in alternative agriculture, physics, and metaphysics. Miller began working in the secret world of Navy Intel (Seal Corp. and then MRU) in the late 60s, and now has amazing experiences and conclusions to share. Before many leading edge concepts became trendy topics, Miller was (and is) in the international front lines of research, experimentation and documentation.

Website: http://richardalanmiller.com/


Published on Feb 13, 2016

Links from Richard on ancient sky charts related are listed below youtube show notes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAX7vs44c4A

mojo
17th February 2016, 18:06
So what would be the reason for the gov not to alert the people? If Planet x is going to pass by do you think there will be affects on planet earth that will cause mass causalities and maybe thats why they are not saying anything?

najara12000
17th February 2016, 18:16
Does anyone have a who's who list of those that are saying it's coming that are genuine.
Zecharia Sitchin, Steve Quayle, Bob Fletcher, Drunvalo Melchezidek (Hopi Indians) Marshall Masters, Kameran Failey, Alex Jones, The00SkyView. Those are some I come up with.

Why are they saying this if this is wrong. (What I've read here--Bill Ryan doesn't believe this will happen) I don't believe someone like Drunvalo would be purposely supporting this if it wasn't a concern. And I don't want to believe it either. But being aware is a good idea.

Nick Matkin
17th February 2016, 20:22
Bill believes this Nibiru stuff is untrue because (possibly amongst other reasons) amateur astronomers - many having excellent equipment - would by now have spotted a celestial object that is supposed to be close enough to be visible by everyone by now, or March, or summer 2016, or spring 2017, or autumn 2017, or whenever it's scheduled to appear.

Have we all forgotten the many previous times Nibiru has been predicted but failed to appear? It seems so.

This object has not been reported, let alone confirmed, on any amateur astronomy forums, websites or magazines. Draw your own conclusions. I have and I reckon Bill's right!

Hazelfern
17th February 2016, 20:22
Surprisingly enough, Suspicious Observer came out last year (?) with his own brand of worry regarding a pole shift. This is totally out of the ordinary for Ben. I'll see if I can find it and post later.
Let's not forget Alex Collier

Nick Matkin
17th February 2016, 20:25
Surprisingly enough, Suspicious Observer came out last year (?) with his own brand of worry regarding a pole shift. This is totally out of the ordinary for Ben. I'll see if I can find it and post later.
Let's not forget Alex Collier

Is that magnetic pole shift (that is known to have occurred fairly gradually many times before - and linked to no extinction events) or the impossible tumbling of the north-south geographic poles/axis of rotation?

Folks seem to conflate these two completely different scenarios.

Hazelfern
17th February 2016, 20:29
Surprisingly enough, Suspicious Observer came out last year (?) with his own brand of worry regarding a pole shift. This is totally out of the ordinary for Ben. I'll see if I can find it and post later.
Let's not forget Alex Collier

Here is a compelling article for review: Tribute to the memory and work of the great Chilean astronomer CARLOS MUÑOZ FERRADA
http://www.vopus.org/en/gnosis/great-characters/tribute-to-the-memory-and-work-of-the-great--chilean-astronomer-carlos-munoz-ferrada.html

jaybee
17th February 2016, 20:35
http://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/current/cgi/query.pl
enter "13 50 44, -8 13 59.7" in coordinates of source
select IRIS100 in IRAS

http://i.imgur.com/D6Q4qEzl.jpg

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IRAS:

http://i.imgur.com/vZXBGb5l.jpg

(Zoomed)

http://i.imgur.com/93DIsaEl.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/a3OtgJXl.jpg

Zoomed

http://i.imgur.com/vEqbFcvl.jpg

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WAZZAT???


No idea what's going on with the bottom two images ---- but ---

OMG the other ones - is that really what's behind the square blackout..???

If it is

WOW

:pop2:

.

araucaria
17th February 2016, 21:12
Have we all forgotten the many previous times Nibiru has been predicted but failed to appear? It seems so.

According to Sitchin himself, Nibiru’s last visit was in 556 BCE, and its next is due in around 2900 CE.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31011-The-Bob-Dean-Thread&p=315530&viewfull=1#post315530

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88150-David-Talbott-The-Electric-Universe-The-Saturn-Sun-Swap-The-Reconstructing-Of-Mythology&p=1044930&viewfull=1#post1044930) and the next one for my take on how the event referred to in the Nibiru story was actually the one-off entry of Saturn into the solar system. Hence no return of Nibiru is to be expected at all. And any other large planetary object such as ‘planet X’ will not get past Jupiter any more than Saturn did. The deep fear that is hardwired into humanity dates back to the time when the Earth came in as a moon of Saturn and the two were separated. Nothing so catastrophic can happen this time around because we are already in the relatively safe zone well inside Jupiter’s orbit. That said, we may be in for a bumpy ride, but it may be no worse than what we’ve experienced already.

najara12000
18th February 2016, 01:25
Bill believes this Nibiru stuff is untrue because (possibly amongst other reasons) amateur astronomers - many having excellent equipment - would by now have spotted a celestial object that is supposed to be close enough to be visible by everyone by now, or March, or summer 2016, or spring 2017, or autumn 2017, or whenever it's scheduled to appear.

Have we all forgotten the many previous times Nibiru has been predicted but failed to appear? It seems so.

This object has not been reported, let alone confirmed, on any amateur astronomy forums, websites or magazines. Draw your own conclusions. I have and I reckon Bill's right!

I've seen on Marshall Master's website accounts (pictures) and The00SkyView is back up and running filling in the gaps from last year when they left YouTube. The00SkyView will be going live this spring. While Drunvalo Melchezidek doesn't talk about Nibiru, he is stating Earth shattering changes which a lot is based upon Hopi/Mayan/Atlantean.

Wide-Eyed
18th February 2016, 03:20
Does anyone have a who's who list of those that are saying it's coming that are genuine.
Zecharia Sitchin, Steve Quayle, Bob Fletcher, Drunvalo Melchezidek (Hopi Indians) Marshall Masters, Kameran Failey, Alex Jones, The00SkyView. Those are some I come up with.

Why are they saying this if this is wrong. (What I've read here--Bill Ryan doesn't believe this will happen) I don't believe someone like Drunvalo would be purposely supporting this if it wasn't a concern. And I don't want to believe it either. But being aware is a good idea.

Very diverse set of views or takes on this but as I recall Drunvalo's picks have been off by miles for a while see or you tube LILU's workor interviews from 2008 on way off but for tidy sum of $$$ you can work it out...

onawah
18th February 2016, 05:14
This is an interesting interview :bump: ...covering too many topics to list, but it makes me want to listen to more of Dr. RAM and learn more about his credibility.
If he's done everything he's said he has, it should be high.
And the interviewer is one of the best I've seen so far in this kind of venue.

some more weighing in ...

Feet to the Fire: Dr. Richard Alan Miller on Planet X(s)

What about all the stuff coming out about Planet X's ?

"Dr. RAM has been following the recent release of info on various large bodies being discovered in our solar system. He asked a friend (at JPL) to look into some things (see link) and has a loose mathematical theory on calculating the closest approach based on the shape and length of the orbits. Also, in light of last weeks show with Terra;l on
The Black Star (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9WfoYtqqrE), I will get Richard's take on the various Planet X's floating around the Internet."


Biography:

Author and researcher Dr. Richard Alan Miller reveals a depth of knowledge and experience in alternative agriculture, physics, and metaphysics. Miller began working in the secret world of Navy Intel (Seal Corp. and then MRU) in the late 60s, and now has amazing experiences and conclusions to share. Before many leading edge concepts became trendy topics, Miller was (and is) in the international front lines of research, experimentation and documentation.

Website: http://richardalanmiller.com/


Published on Feb 13, 2016

Links from Richard on ancient sky charts related are listed below youtube show notes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAX7vs44c4A

Hazelfern
18th February 2016, 15:36
Richard's style has grown on me over the years.
In this interview I hear him trying to avoid the subject of Planet X over and over again.
He was (seemed to me) indicating that you get whatever it is you hold in your imagination and when planet x shows up, well, it will be our fault. Maybe that is just my take on his remarks. But then he goes on to say we have chosen to come to earth at this time to witness this 'passing'. That's an intriguing idea that reminded me of the end of the Childhood's End miniseries.

najara12000
18th February 2016, 15:53
Does anyone have a who's who list of those that are saying it's coming that are genuine.
Zecharia Sitchin, Steve Quayle, Bob Fletcher, Drunvalo Melchezidek (Hopi Indians) Marshall Masters, Kameran Failey, Alex Jones, The00SkyView. Those are some I come up with.

Why are they saying this if this is wrong. (What I've read here--Bill Ryan doesn't believe this will happen) I don't believe someone like Drunvalo would be purposely supporting this if it wasn't a concern. And I don't want to believe it either. But being aware is a good idea.

Very diverse set of views or takes on this but as I recall Drunvalo's picks have been off by miles for a while see or you tube LILU's workor interviews from 2008 on way off but for tidy sum of $$$ you can work it out...

He's still talking. I viewed this one below yesterday. He is heavily into Atlantis aka Mayan aka Hopi. I must admit I don't know a lot about that particular subject. His interviews regarding 2012 around that year were very in depth.

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onawah
18th February 2016, 16:00
I don't know if it was so much a matter of Dr. RAM trying to avoid the subject as it was that, as he repeatedly admitted, he really didn't know--he just had some theories.
After mulling it all over more, I was left with feeling very uncomfortable with the fact that he referenced Alistair Crowley's philosophy as something he agrees with, and I ended feeling less than positive on the whole about his motivations, though still intrigued by the amount of knowledge he has and his ability to correlate various fields of knowledge.
The interviewer obviously has very different views, which I am more in agreement with, and seems to have more faith in the human spirit.
Miller inferred that he believes in the superiority of the intellect over emotions.
I think emotions are more connected to spirituality than intellect and are a very underrated and undeveloped source of human power, and very much linked to our creativity, as well.
It seems to me that emotions are a very important factor which separate us and give us the advantage over AI.
(Though perhaps lacking in many savants, whose intellects are extremely developed, but who can be emotionally stunted.)
Whether humanity will develop that power in time to make a real difference in the coming times remains to be seen...


Nonin wrote: Richard's style has grown on me over the years.
In this interview I hear him trying to avoid the subject of Planet X over and over again.
He was (seemed to me) indicating that you get whatever it is you hold in your imagination and when planet x shows up, well, it will be our fault. Maybe that is just my take on his remarks. But then he goes on to say we have chosen to come to earth at this time to witness this 'passing'. That's an intriguing idea that reminded me of the end of the Childhood's End miniseries.

Hazelfern
18th February 2016, 23:44
Surprisingly enough, Suspicious Observer came out last year (?) with his own brand of worry regarding a pole shift. This is totally out of the ordinary for Ben. I'll see if I can find it and post later.
Let's not forget Alex Collier

Is that magnetic pole shift (that is known to have occurred fairly gradually many times before - and linked to no extinction events) or the impossible tumbling of the north-south geographic poles/axis of rotation?

Folks seem to conflate these two completely different scenarios.

At long last, I found the interview and Ben's (supplemental) website.
Go to the 57 minute mark to hear his comments on the pole shift, (magnetic pole shift)
Right click the download button at the bottom of the page. Give it a listen.
Here is the link for the interview:

http://oneradionetwork.com/environment/ben-davidson-pole-shift-climate-change-natural-disasters-how-the-sun-is-changing-the-earth-and-solar-system-may-21-2015/

Here is the other link for Suspicious Observers and the pole shift ~ http://magneticreversal.org/

Harley
19th February 2016, 19:51
http://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/current/cgi/query.pl
enter "13 50 44, -8 13 59.7" in coordinates of source
select IRIS100 in IRAS

http://i.imgur.com/D6Q4qEzl.jpg

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

IRAS:

http://i.imgur.com/vZXBGb5l.jpg

(Zoomed)

http://i.imgur.com/93DIsaEl.jpg

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://i.imgur.com/a3OtgJXl.jpg

Zoomed

http://i.imgur.com/vEqbFcvl.jpg

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WAZZAT???


No idea what's going on with the bottom two images ---- but ---

OMG the other ones - is that really what's behind the square blackout..???

If it is

WOW

:pop2:

.

All photos were viewed at the same coords that Houman posted (Top quote and photo), so I guess it is.

jaybee
20th February 2016, 10:41
Here is a critical piece of information on its timing:

“A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” Rev.12:1-2.

The great sign of The Woman as described in Revelation 12:1-2 forms and lasts for only a few hours. According to computer generated astronomical models, this sign has never before occurred in human history. It will occur once on September 23, 2017. It will never occur again. When it occurs, it places the Earth immediately before the time of the Sixth Seal of Revelation.'





IRAS:

http://i.imgur.com/vZXBGb5l.jpg

(Zoomed)

http://i.imgur.com/93DIsaEl.jpg


[snip]


All photos were viewed at the same coords that Houman posted (Top quote and photo), so I guess it is.


cheers - i asked a question with an obvious answer really - :) - I was just stunned by the image especially when put with Giovonni's quote from the opening post (above)


The pale shading on the image really could be interpreted as a pregnant female figure - in what has become a classical pose from religious paintings - well it looks very familiar anyway - and it also looks a bit like a Madonna and Child shape to me as well ---- and / or an angel figure with wings -

I'm not 'religious' in the traditional sense but I do think the ancient writings that were gathered and chosen for the Bible have clues and secrets about very ancient history embedded in some of it...

thanks for presenting the images in the thread, Harley...... :thumb:


.

Bill Ryan
20th February 2016, 15:13
(What I've read here--Bill Ryan doesn't believe this will happen)


Bill believes this Nibiru stuff is untrue because (possibly amongst other reasons) amateur astronomers - many having excellent equipment - would by now have spotted a celestial object that is supposed to be close enough to be visible by everyone by now, or March, or summer 2016, or spring 2017, or autumn 2017, or whenever it's scheduled to appear.



A clarification of my views — if any may be helpful: :)

1) As Nick says, it's nowhere close to Planet Earth. If so, thousands of amateur astronomers all over the world, working for no-one, with excellent telescopes, would be screaming from the rooftops. (They aren't.)

2) All the purported photos of a supposed object near to the sun (usually taken with cellphone cameras, and ALL taken at sunset or sunrise, which tells us something) are of atmospheric anomalies of one kind or another. If it was very close to the sun, 7 billion people would be able to see it every day, including when the sun was overhead. There's nothing there.

3) Zecharia Sitchin's stories of the Anunnaki riding around on Nibiru, patiently waiting (and presumably bravely suffering the extreme cold!) for it to approach Planet Earth again, can't possibly be accurate. The Anunnaki, who certainly existed and continue to exist, are an advanced race with space flight capability of their own. They can — and do — travel here any time they want to.

4) I do believe that a large celestial body that's a member of our solar system, with a highly eccentric and oblique orbit, may very well exist, and it's very possible also that it periodically comes in quite close, in which case electromagnetic effects on the sun and other planets would certainly become evident. A few notes on this:


It might very well be a brown dwarf (as Andy Lloyd argues (http://www.darkstar1.co.uk)).



Project Camelot witness Henry Deacon called it 'the second sun', and was surprised we didn't know all about it. (He told us he had heard it discussed when he was working for a classified project within NOAA. It appears to be well-known within the intel community. I do NOT know why its existence is being kept classified.)



If it is a brown dwarf, it's likely to be very dim optically, but radiating strongly in the infrared. And a number of orbiting infrared telescopes have been launched in recent years, which is interesting.



Bob Dean stated (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM) that he'd heard from reliable sources that 'Nibiru' would come detectably close (my paraphrase) to Earth in 2017. Jake Simpson (http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html) confirmed that ('as best he knew', he said).

pueblo
20th February 2016, 16:47
(What I've read here--Bill Ryan doesn't believe this will happen)


Bill believes this Nibiru stuff is untrue because (possibly amongst other reasons) amateur astronomers - many having excellent equipment - would by now have spotted a celestial object that is supposed to be close enough to be visible by everyone by now, or March, or summer 2016, or spring 2017, or autumn 2017, or whenever it's scheduled to appear.



A clarification of my views — if any may be helpful: :)

1) As Nick says, it's nowhere close to Planet Earth. If so, thousands of amateur astronomers all over the world, working for no-one, with excellent telescopes, would be screaming from the rooftops. (They aren't.)


Just on the point of the amateur astronomers, I have heard at least one person (Kameran Fally) say that this object is being hidden from sight using lasers........ what do people think as to the likelyhood and/or probability of this being true? This sort of tech is not beyond the bounds of imagination for the military-industrial complex nations right?

Bill Ryan
20th February 2016, 16:59
I have heard at least one person (Kameran Fally) say that this object is being hidden from sight using lasers........ what do people think as to the likelyhood and/or probability of this being true?

In my strong opinion, Kameran Fally's testimony about the bloodline families is most interesting, but everything he says about Planet X is speculative nonsense that can't possibly be the case physically.

najara12000
20th February 2016, 17:38
Thank you Mr. Ryan. Hogue Prophecy does not see it either. A group of amateur astronomers that I have followed on YouTube is The00SkyView and they see it. What I have read so far from Marshall Masters (which appears to be channeled but three of the channeled information comes from deceased astronomers) is that we don't see it based upon it's location---which is what many others are saying as well. Drunvalo Melcheziedek and the Hopi are saying it and so now is Alex Jones. I do understand that some of these people may be plants to encourage fear but there is a sparse amount that don't seem to be so. In any event, my reality is that whatever may have happened in the past isn't an indication that it will happen again. But neither should we be complacent.

If the Annnnaki are in a solar system with a dwarf star and siphoning off of Earth because their sun is dead.....then what can we really do about it?

quiltinggrandma
21st February 2016, 01:53
thank you bill.Bob dean certianly got my attention.He made a comment about the planet passing us,,threw 2017 out there and said we could take it to the bank.So again my thanks go to Gio,because i feel better discussing the topic.I hope it helps others also.

onawah
21st February 2016, 05:16
Bill, what is your opinion of Dr. Richard Alan Miller and his information? He talks about Planet X in this video. Thanks.
update:(Just as an aside, he said he thinks Keshe is a fraud.)
SAX7vs44c4A





I have heard at least one person (Kameran Fally) say that this object is being hidden from sight using lasers........ what do people think as to the likelyhood and/or probability of this being true?

In my strong opinion, Kameran Fally's testimony about the bloodline families is most interesting, but everything he says about Planet X is speculative nonsense that can't possibly be the case physically.

najara12000
21st February 2016, 16:07
I just received by mail an order from Marshall Masters book "Being in it for the Species". Along with it came three discs which I haven't looked at all of them but he does give evidence and pictures of sources of this object. He discusses and shows certain crop circles related to the event. Also discussed are actual pictures from Turrialba Volcano from different years and pictures taken by ordinary people just traveling and noticing it and I think video. So, there is info out there. Also there are pictures from amateur astronomers. I"d advise anyone interested to get the material and take a look at it. While I'm not one for channeled information I have to say the picture evidence is disturbing and it verifies the YouTube channel user I have been following who has been video taping the system with actual live video describing the system in the sky. I think he is from Texas. I found his channel last year. He'll spend an hour shooting the sky and pointing out the system. So, there is information out there. At first I didn't know what to think of him and discounted his videos.

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Bill Ryan
21st February 2016, 18:36
I have heard at least one person (Kameran Fally) say that this object is being hidden from sight using lasers........ what do people think as to the likelyhood and/or probability of this being true?

In my strong opinion, Kameran Fally's testimony about the bloodline families is most interesting, but everything he says about Planet X is speculative nonsense that can't possibly be the case physically.Bill, what is your opinion of Dr. Richard Alan Miller and his information? He talks about Planet X in this video. Thanks.
update:(Just as an aside, he said he thinks Keshe is a fraud.)
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Well, I enjoyed it... he's quite a character. :) And I think he really does know a lot of stuff.

There's really not a lot I'd take issue with in what he says — and I particular respect all the times (quite a few) when he states, very honestly, that he really doesn't know something in response to a question.

najara12000
21st February 2016, 20:47
There is also this guy, Bob Evans, who is showing some pictures one one from NASA. The people responding to the YouTube page are saying they also have pictures. These seem like common people. And Bob Evans claims to have a thousand photos since 2015.

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So I guess this stuff is out there but it's just not getting a lot of attention.

Bill Ryan
21st February 2016, 22:00
There is also this guy, Bob Evans, who is showing some pictures one one from NASA. The people responding to the YouTube page are saying they also have pictures. These seem like common people. And Bob Evans claims to have a thousand photos since 2015.



I intend absolutely no disrespect here to anyone (and I mean that!)‚ but when you say 'common people' — your words, not mine — you mean they're not scientists or astronomers, even amateur ones... and do not know what they're looking at.

Please, please, please get behind this logic:

If there was a large astronomical object right next to our sun, in plain view, then


You'd see it every day, not just very occasionally. (It can't just go away and then re-appear.)
You'd see it when the sun was overhead at midday, not just at sunrise or sunset. In fact, you'd see it every minute of daylight if there was no cloud cover.
Not only would YOU see it, but also 7 billion other people. It would cause a worldwide sensation.

onawah
22nd February 2016, 00:48
That's for sure!! ("It would cause a worldwide sensation!")
Simon Parkes said in his January interview with Jay Pee on Wolf Spirit Radio that Planet X is about as far from Earth now as Pluto and will be at its closest vector to Earth in March and April, then would be moving away again, so no major disasters in his forecast.
While he said he agrees with Alex Collier on most everything, what Alex said in the early 2016 January interview is that we are in for some huge earth changes starting in January, but his prediction was that that would just be the start.
Jay Pee is still talking about doing a 3 way show with Alex and Simon, but no date on that as yet.


There is also this guy, Bob Evans, who is showing some pictures one one from NASA. The people responding to the YouTube page are saying they also have pictures. These seem like common people. And Bob Evans claims to have a thousand photos since 2015.



I intend absolutely no disrespect here to anyone (and I mean that!)‚ but when you say 'common people' — your words, not mine — you mean they're not scientists or astronomers, even amateur ones... and do not know what they're looking at.

Please, please, please get behind this logic:

If there was a large astronomical object right next to our sun, in plain view, then


You'd see it every day, not just very occasionally. (It can't just go away and then re-appear.)
You'd see it when the sun was overhead at midday, not just at sunrise or sunset. In fact, you'd see it every minute of daylight if there was no cloud cover.
Not only would YOU see it, but also 7 billion other people. It would cause a worldwide sensation.

najara12000
22nd February 2016, 16:42
Thanks for your input everyone I'm just trying to resolve all this influx of information for myself. It's hard, sometimes, to sift through it all but I'm going to remain positive about this that this is a non-event. Frankly it's not in my reality at all, and anyone who has a YouTube user page with the various information feeds can get bombarded with a never ending stream of information. "Common People"; yes I could have posted something other than that description. I didn't mean to offend anyone. People who live their lives and are not into any of this speculation who is driving home from work or whatever they are doing and they see these anomalies and somehow get the information to someone who is researching and following this subject. I have no answers. Only seeking clarification.:clapping:

onawah
22nd February 2016, 21:18
At 1:37:18 in this most recent interview with Simon Parkes, he comments on the newest Planet X news

He says it may not actually be a planet, but an artificially generated image that could be used as part of a false flag event, and says he is watching what amateur astronomers are saying because he doesn't trust the reports coming from mainstream astronomers who are being controlled by the elite.

Bill Ryan
22nd February 2016, 21:38
At 1:37:18 in this most recent interview with Simon Parkes, he comments on the newest Planet X news

He says it may not actually be a planet, but an artificially generated image that could be used as part of a false flag event, and says he is watching what amateur astronomers are saying because he doesn't trust the reports coming from mainstream astronomers who are being controlled by the elite.

A couple of comments here —


No-one, anywhere, has any images of the thing ('Planet Nine (http://www.space.com/31671-planet-nine-discovery-explained-infographic.html)', that is). Its existence has been inferred by computer-calculating observed gravitational anomalies in the Kuiper Belt (which is a very long way out from the sun).



It's far too far away for there to be any effects on Planet Earth. If it exists and comes closer, that'll be a VERY long time from now. So there won't and can't be any imminent false flag events connected with this particular object.

onawah
22nd February 2016, 22:03
I could have used a better word than image--apologies.
Perhaps artificially generated signature would have been a better term, and I think that's what Simon meant.
As usual, he gave no reference to his source of that info, so it's anybody's guess where it came from.
I posted that synopsis to save people time who might not have time to listen to the interview.

Nick Matkin
22nd February 2016, 22:49
At 1:37:18 in this most recent interview with Simon Parkes, he comments on the newest Planet X news

He says it may not actually be a planet, but an artificially generated image that could be used as part of a false flag event, and says he is watching what amateur astronomers are saying because he doesn't trust the reports coming from mainstream astronomers who are being controlled by the elite.

A couple of comments here —


No-one, anywhere, has any images of the thing ('Planet Nine (http://www.space.com/31671-planet-nine-discovery-explained-infographic.html)', that is). Its existence has been inferred by computer-calculating observed gravitational anomalies in the Kuiper Belt (which is a very long way out from the sun).



It's far too far away for there to be any effects on Planet Earth. If it exists and comes closer, that'll be a VERY long time from now. So there won't and can't be any imminent false flag events connected with this particular object.


This subject will run and run, no matter how much clear, factual evidence is presented to the contrary. Many people just don't want to be told. Its imminent arrival is one of the alternative media's sacred cows - it can't be slayed!

Bill Ryan
22nd February 2016, 23:47
I could have used a better word than image--apologies.
Perhaps artificially generated signature would have been a better term, and I think that's what Simon meant.
As usual, he gave no reference to his source of that info, so it's anybody's guess where it came from.
I posted that synopsis to save people time who might not have time to listen to the interview.

Well, Simon was inviting amateur astronomers to take a look at the object themselves with their 'half-decent telescopes', and 'post some of the pictures they are getting'. (The interview is this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMPvk6FU6CQ), and you gave the timestamp, 1:37:18.)

This isn't possible, as no-one knows exactly where it is, and no pictures exist. No-one's ever seen this thing. Its existence is a mathematical inference.

It's an example (and there are others) of where Simon speaks seemingly authoritatively on a subject he knows far less about than the impression he gives from his almost uniformly pleasant, confident and relaxed delivery.

* As Black Widow/Natasha Romanoff says to Captain America/Steve Rogers in The Winter Soldier (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1843866), when challenged — a wonderful line!




"I only ACT like I know everything, Rogers." :)
It's worrying, when Simon's sometimes caught out (so to speak) — when he talks nonsense about something which some listeners really DO know something about.

The questions then arise about how accurate the statements are that he makes that no-one can check.

I do believe Simon means well in this and other instances, but he might benefit a great deal from admitting far more often that he really doesn't know the answer to a question at all, or know much about a particular subject he's asked about. That always generates respect.

onawah
22nd February 2016, 23:50
Agreed! I would say that goes for others in his genre too, such as Alex Collier, David Wilcock, etc.


I could have used a better word than image--apologies.
Perhaps artificially generated signature would have been a better term, and I think that's what Simon meant.
As usual, he gave no reference to his source of that info, so it's anybody's guess where it came from.
I posted that synopsis to save people time who might not have time to listen to the interview.

Well, Simon was inviting amateur astronomers to take a look at the object themselves with their 'half-decent telescopes', and 'post some of the pictures they are getting'. (The interview is this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMPvk6FU6CQ), and you gave the timestamp, 1:37:18.)

This isn't possible, as no-one knows exactly where it is, and no pictures exist. No-one's ever seen this thing. Its existence is a mathematical inference.

It's an example (and there are others) of where Simon speaks seemingly authoritatively on a subject he knows far less about than the impression he gives from his almost uniformly pleasant, confident and relaxed delivery.

* As Black Widow/Natasha Romanoff says to Captain America/Steve Rogers in The Winter Soldier (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1843866), when challenged — a wonderful line!




"I only ACT like I know everything, Rogers." :)
It's worrying, when Simon's sometimes caught out (so to speak) — when he talks nonsense about something which some listeners really DO know something about.

The questions then arise about how accurate the statements are that he makes that no-one can check.

I do believe Simon means well in this and other instances, but he might benefit a great deal from admitting far more often that he really doesn't know the answer to a question at all, or know much about a particular subject he's asked about. That always generates respect.

Bill Ryan
23rd February 2016, 00:04
Agreed! I would say that goes for others in his genre too, such as Alex Collier, David Wilcock, etc.


Yes, agreed 100%. :)

One of the things I really respect about Richard Dolan is how very cautious he often is even when answering the most apparently straightforward questions. That's the mark of a scholar, and a trained academic — who KNOWS how complex the reality is, and is painstakingly honest about what they may not know or understand.

David Jacobs, Linda Howe, Joseph Farrell and Graham Hancock are others (and there are some more, for sure). But basically, careful, responsible scholarship is pretty rare in the alternative media.

fourty-two
23rd February 2016, 00:21
Alex Collier had a webinar on Monday which I listened to. I was impressed by the number of times he stated he didn't know the answer to the question asked.
It reminded me of listening to Simon Parkes and wondering how come he seemed to have the answers on everything.
Ive always been amazed by questions people ask of pundits whose expertise is in areas entirely unrelated to the questions asked.

onawah
23rd February 2016, 19:46
The way a lot of these kinds of interviews, webinars, etc. are being conducted, with callers typing in or calling in with their questions during the actual broadcasts isn't very practical.
With the kind of whistleblowers we are discussing, who get most of their information from other sources, it would work better if they were given the questions ahead of time so they had time to do a little research.
And unless they have photographic memories, which is doubtful, it would be hard for anyone to remember all the kinds of information they are being asked to relay off the top of their heads.
It seems to be more about people getting a thrill from having a kind of direct contact with the whistleblower, which is unfortunate.

Hazelfern
24th February 2016, 00:48
Would the Garabandal warning have anything to do with this? I wonder,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoqpuYK826o#t=59

We should be wondering just that.

From – ‘The Fatima Secret’ – Michael Hesemann

During Pope John Paul II’s first journey to Germany in November 1980 a correspondent for a Catholic magazine asked him the question: “What has happened to the Third Secret of Fatima? Wasn’t it going to be published in 1960?”

The pope answered, “Owing to the seriousness of its contents, my predecessors preferred the diplomatic version. It is sufficient for every human to know the following: When one reads that the oceans will flood entire portions of land, that human beings will die within minutes, and in millions, then one should not desire publication of the secret. Knowledge means responsibility. It is dangerous when someone only wishes to satisfy his curiosity, if he is not prepared to do something about his discoveries, or if he is convinced we can do nothing to prevent the prophesied disasters from happening. We have been prepared to suffer. Before long, great trials will require us to sacrifice our lives."

[ Unquote ]

terragunn
24th February 2016, 01:21
When one analyses, cross-references (via syncretism), dissects and discerns the idea and/or phenomenon titled, suggested, and attributed via the Sumerian interpretted-translations and subsequent interpretations of such interpretted translations of such in regards to Nibiru, one will realise via such that such correlates to the Vedic/Hindu astrological mythology of Rahu/Katu.

When a solar eclipse occurs, this is Nibiru/Rahu/Katu/Invisible or Black Sun reacting to the vibrational frequencies of the Users – spirits, Creator Beings – within the computation Matrix. Such is all mathematical, computational. Such is structured round probabilities and potentials, centred on NOW vibrational frequencies, which, in the ether/astral/alternative ‘earth’ time lines (so to speak), have already manifested.

As spirits, we throw the A.C. (Artificial Consciousness) and its egregore minions into a state of confusion.

Interestingly enough, the egregrore, A.C., Illumininati minions/programmes, throw back at us what we allow to give to them.

SilentFeathers
26th February 2016, 13:06
Every year a "magic date" or estimated magic date is picked for the arrival of planet X and/or some other doomsday scenario.....oh yeah, and the great economy collapse etc etc., sh*t gets old after a while listening to the same ole crap over and over year after year.

For me, well, I'm more concerned if I am going to make taco's or chili for dinner this evening.....

giovonni
7th March 2016, 06:26
will share this here ...

Nibiru Confirmed 2016 Bob Fletcher Underground Cities,
Declassified Doc's Reveal, Global Government

From Leak Project

Nibiru or Planet X has been confirmed by several main stream media outlets now here in the USA and abroad. The information on when people will feel its effects varies and that in itself should cause red flags. With that said the information presented is for you to decide and make up your own mind. Bob Fletcher is a True American Patriot and has lived a life like a character in a Tom Clancy Novel. Very thought provoking information and well articulated by Mr Fletcher. Check out Bobs website @ http://www.bobfletcherinvestigations.com / The Photos used in this Video are from Bobs Site, with permission.


Biography:

"Bob Fletcher is a retired investigative researcher who conducted a probe into the CIA's involvement in U.S. drug trade.
His report was presented to several congressmen including Sonny Bono. Since then, he has turned his attention to
the return of Planet X: Nibiru."



Published on Mar 6, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYlk8x6gGoY

Ultima Thule
7th March 2016, 10:52
Giovonni, any chance of you writing up in your view the most plausible points you found in that video?

UT

Redstar Kachina
7th March 2016, 10:59
..........

giovonni
7th March 2016, 12:35
There was a relative null in longitudinal energy 'pressure' a few years ago, which was expected to precipitate all sorts of Earth changes, and nothing major transpired, so there is more in play than most understand.

I agree with Bill on the whole Planet X situation...I have a web site awaiting firm information to post on Planet X. At the moment, it's blank, with only a suggestion that Planet X may impact us most directly sometime in the 2020 timeframe - http://www.redstarkachina.com/

Everyone's entitled to their opinion ... :)

alexflo
7th March 2016, 12:58
This whole Planet X thing is a hoax.

Hazelfern
7th March 2016, 13:19
I've been seeing 1117 for aprox a year now and always thought that it was related to angelic numbers...

Good to know I am not alone. Speak of angelic numbers if you can. For me, its really like a nagging awareness of something that happened long ago or will happen. I've never been able to shake it.

Last night I did a quick search on angelic numbers, 1117 specifically and post this for review:

http://stonedhendge.com/numerology-1117/

Check out number 117 symbolism, 3rd link from top.

>>> Gematria
The numerical values of Hebrew word ZIQ meaning comet or meteor, and AVPL meaning darkness, gives each one 117. <<<

giovonni
7th March 2016, 13:25
Giovonni, any chance of you writing up in your view the most plausible points you found in that video?

UT

No - I don't think so ...

And believe it or not, I have no idea when (or if) this planet object will ever come around ...

But I agree with Rex Bear, that Bob Fletcher makes some compelling points regarding the U.S. government - not being honest or forthcoming in disclosing what happened to the missing trillions of Pentagon budget dollars, and why it also seems to no longer really care about the country's overall future security ?

Iceberg
12th March 2016, 06:24
Why is so important to see Nibiru here ? If it pass then it will be just a nice view. If you think that an advance race lives there and are waiting to be near earth to jump because cant do it in long distance, then what do you see so advance in them ?

greybeard
12th March 2016, 08:37
Giovonni, any chance of you writing up in your view the most plausible points you found in that video?

UT

No - I don't think so ...

And believe it or not, I have no idea when (or if) this planet object will ever come around ...

But I agree with Rex Bear, that Bob Fletcher makes some compelling points regarding the U.S. government - not being honest or forthcoming in disclosing what happened to the missing trillions of Pentagon budget dollars, and why it also seems to no longer really care about the country's overall future security ?



What got me interested was the thought that there was a raising of consciousness associated with the myths/legends.
Everything or most things being cyclic there would seem to be evidence of past events that fit the accounts of Nibru
In Turkey there has been found quite large underground ancient city---why go underground? to protect from human enemy? Dont think so, it would have taken too long to excavate, build.

As said advanced beings don't need proximity to get here.
Who knows if any of this is so?
So that's my thoughts on this

Chris

najara12000
13th March 2016, 15:53
Would the Garabandal warning have anything to do with this? I wonder,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoqpuYK826o#t=59

We should be wondering just that.



From – ‘The Fatima Secret’ – Michael Hesemann

During Pope John Paul II’s first journey to Germany in November 1980 a correspondent for a Catholic magazine asked him the question: “What has happened to the Third Secret of Fatima? Wasn’t it going to be published in 1960?”

The pope answered, “Owing to the seriousness of its contents, my predecessors preferred the diplomatic version. It is sufficient for every human to know the following: When one reads that the oceans will flood entire portions of land, that human beings will die within minutes, and in millions, then one should not desire publication of the secret. Knowledge means responsibility. It is dangerous when someone only wishes to satisfy his curiosity, if he is not prepared to do something about his discoveries, or if he is convinced we can do nothing to prevent the prophesied disasters from happening. We have been prepared to suffer. Before long, great trials will require us to sacrifice our lives."

[ Unquote ]

I just finished listening to all three interviews Art Bell did with Malachi Martin in 1996 and 1998. M. Martin confirmed the third secret had nothing to do with a comet. The Pope decided not to tell the public although The Queen of Heaven appeared through children to deliver the message to the Pope for that very purpose. When the Pope did not tell the people of the world by the date in 1960, The Queen of Heaven appeared to children in Spain in 1961. After that and is still ongoing is Medjugorje messages to children beginning in 1981 there who are now still adults who publish messages monthly.

Ultima Thule
14th March 2016, 05:40
I was just looking at some videos claiming to depict Nibiru in cloud formations - I have to ask, for I cannot fathom the rationale of that, do these people not know the distance of clouds(because they seem to claim huge planets and moons interact with them and block them) or is there a rationale where they think some other kind of interaction takes place?

UT

Nick Matkin
14th March 2016, 10:18
I was just looking at some videos claiming to depict Nibiru in cloud formations - I have to ask, for I cannot fathom the rationale of that, do these people not know the distance of clouds(because they seem to claim huge planets and moons interact with them and block them) or is there a rationale where they think some other kind of interaction takes place?

UT

Some people seemingly do not know the height of clouds and have no mental image of the solar system and the distances involved or even the weakest grasp of celestial mechanics.

I can't see any other reason why wacky videos and photographic 'proof' is repeatedly posted, despite the clear explanations by Bill and others as to what and where Nibiru (if it exists at all) might be.

There are also those who seriously believe chemtrails are used to hide this object - and those people walk amongst us...! :facepalm:

giovonni
14th March 2016, 13:36
I don't believe this subject matter is going away anytime soon folks.

araucaria
14th March 2016, 14:15
I don't believe this subject matter is going away anytime soon folks.
Certainly, if anthropic global warming is anything from an honest mistake to a scam, we do need an alternative explanation for things like this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/february-smashes-monthly-world-temperature-records-by-shocking-amount-as-climate-emergency-declared-a6929936.html

giovonni
14th March 2016, 14:50
I don't believe this subject matter is going away anytime soon folks.
Certainly, if anthropic global warming is anything from an honest mistake to a scam, we do need an alternative explanation for things like this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/february-smashes-monthly-world-temperature-records-by-shocking-amount-as-climate-emergency-declared-a6929936.html

No argument there monsieur ... I'm all for allowing others to ponder and ask questions in regards for a deeper physical understanding of the universe.

BTW - Do you have anything noteworthy to contribute on the planet X topic?

araucaria
14th March 2016, 19:21
I don't believe this subject matter is going away anytime soon folks.
Certainly, if anthropic global warming is anything from an honest mistake to a scam, we do need an alternative explanation for things like this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/february-smashes-monthly-world-temperature-records-by-shocking-amount-as-climate-emergency-declared-a6929936.html

No argument there monsieur ... I'm all for allowing others to ponder and ask questions in regards for a deeper physical understanding of the universe.

BTW - Do you have anything noteworthy to contribute on the planet X topic?

Well, Gio, since you are so kind as to ask, let me gather my thoughts into some bullet points and see where they lead.

1. I have shown, to my own satisfaction at least, that Planet X and Nibiru would have to be two different things, the one in the present/future or possibly cyclical, the other solely in the past, because if Nibiru was Saturn, then Saturn was stably captured by the Sun. Start here and follow the links: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88839-Nibiru-Will-Pass-Earth-Before-November-2017-The-Evidence-w-Investigator-David-Meade&p=1047216&viewfull=1#post1047216

2. Bill Ryan is right in saying that anything that shows up near the Sun exclusively low over the horizon instead of all day long can only be an optical illusion of some kind; so all that stuff is at best a misdirect. You don’t need a link: he says it all the time :)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87041-Is-this-really-Nibiru&p=1030311&viewfull=1#post1030311

3. There is the idea that the Sun is part of a binary system. When Bill quotes Henry Deacon on this, the thing I find most interesting is the way Henry thought everyone knew about it; he thought the black science was being taught in astronomy 101. Well it wasn’t, but it is surely time we at least seriously considered the possibility. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87041-Is-this-really-Nibiru&p=1049511&viewfull=1#post1049511

4. Others also claim that the Sun is part of a binary system, Sirius being the leading candidate as its dancing partner. (A possible problem with this is that Sirius itself is a triple star system of Sirius A, B, and C.) This might be an explanation for precession of the equinoxes. We all know what precession is, but who knows why it is so. See here (http://www.sott.net/article/230480-Is-the-Sun-Part-of-a-Binary-Star-System-Six-Reasons-to-Consider). The Earth’s exit from Saturn’s orbit would also probably be enough to account for precession.

5. If you look at the ‘Sheer edge’ gif on the above web page, a companion star (any companion star) might also be an alternative route for Saturn to have entered the solar system. Instead of being a free-floater with no star, it may have switched orbits during a close passage between the Sun and its companion star.

6. Such transfers may have come to an end over time as both systems had their wings clipped. Or possibly there is still a transfer window (rather like the mercato, when soccer teams can exchange players). I would tend to think nothing as major as Saturn’s intrusion is going to happen any more. If it did, as I explained earlier, it would not get past Jupiter, but it certainly would send shock waves.

7. There are also reports that the entire solar system is heading into a dust cloud that is affecting the Sun with dust particles, just as a fire will flare up when you empty a dustpan onto it. The main difference between a dust cloud and a planetary body that is not going to hit us would I think be gravitational.

8. Gravitation is the tool used for detecting Planet X, so any dust cloud would have to be in addition, unless some other tool is now in use. In his astronomy dictionary Companion to the Cosmos (1998), the science writer John Gribbin finishes the ‘Planet X’ entry as follows:

The existence of Planet X was suggested by discrepancies in the observed orbits of the outer planets, which, it was thought, could be explained by the gravitational influence of another planet. But extended observation of these orbits (remember that Neptune was only discovered in 1846 and it takes 164 years to go round the Sun once, so we have not yet observed it for one complete orbit) now suggest that there are no discrepancies, and that Planet X does not exist. This tends to suggest that any gravitational discrepancies existing today were undetectable as recently as twenty years ago, and therefore cannot be very significant, to put it mildly. This seems incompatible with Planet X being of any great size and/or proximity, and to send us back to the dust cloud model. The dust cloud known as the Local Fluff seems in any case to be very real. http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1372.html However, Paul LaViolette, whom I respect very highly, offers a more nuanced picture of various degrees of cloudiness, and how they influence his galactic superwave, which he says is overdue. http://starburstfound.org/superwaveblog/?p=207

9. One of the interesting implications of David Talbott’s theory that I discovered was the effect changing planetary orbital patterns had on time. If you look at the gifs here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_star) you will see how two binaries orbiting in an ellipse will travel at varying speeds on different sections of their orbit; most noticeably, when they come together, they accelerate past each other. We know how subjective time passes more quickly as individuals grow older, but we have no explanation as to why time recently began to pass more quickly as human civilization collectively reached a certain stage. Life is more hectic to be sure, but is that the cause, or maybe the effect? If it is an effect, an approaching companion would be a possible explanation. Read here how Sirius was once reportedly a red star (again as ‘Nibiru’) and is now blue, suggesting a shift from red-shifting away to blue-shifting towards us: http://www.doyletics.com/arj/loststar.htm

10. A lot of the above is not mutually exclusive. In fact celestial mechanics show how planets, stars etc. are multitasking, all revolving about each other; so one would expect this multiple choice question to have multiple answers, and just maybe All of the Above. There may be some conspiratorial fudging in the findings presented by Gribbin (point 8 above); more likely, any disinfo is due to confusions, deliberate or otherwise, between the various cogs in this machine, e.g. by suggesting such either/or relationships when none apply. For example, it would be statistically surprising if the Sun were not part of a binary system; this in no way prejudges the separate issue of interstellar clouds: you can have both. But if the Sun is part of a binary system, Santos Bonacci explains very clearly how this can be creating the collective mental state we are currently experiencing on this planet while being nonetheless totally unconnected to any imminent celestial event at all. According to Bonacci’s uplifting analysis, after a long period of moving apart, the Sun and Sirius have simply turned the corner and begun a long period of moving together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ySvbtlSLrc One of the possible confusions I am referring to would then be what Barbara Hand Clow terms Catastrophobia, a form of post-traumatic stress disorder on a planetwide scale: in other words, an inability to face the future as being different (better) than the past. Again, the importance of time, the big healer – and as a corollary, the dangerous prevalence of the time-is-an-illusion meme. Fear is seeing time’s arrow in reverse (see the Martin Amis novel, Time’s Arrow, in which the story of a Nazi doctor is literally reversed, turning him into a humanitarian physician (but the moral of the tale is that he ultimately disappears into the oblivion of pre-birth and on to pre-conception).

11. Eleven’s a good place to stop. Another solar system planet is obviously also a likely possibility, but I doubt if it is in a position to do any damage, even gravitational. It may possibly kick dust and comets into the inner solar system, causing some slight inconvenience, but I see the major effect as being astrological. Astrology I take to operate electrically in that same electric universe that provided David Talbott with confirmation of his theory from a totally unexpected quarter. Just as to enter our consciousness, Neptune and Pluto needed to be discovered for their long-term effects (a couple of centuries) on humanity, so an even more distant object entering our consciousness will bring an awareness of multimillennial influences. I see evidence of this happening through our recent investigations into our ancient history, pushing the ‘prehistory’ boundary ever further back into the past. This in turn will push our ‘future’ boundary ever further forward into the future after our current crisis of wondering if we have any future at all.

I may be an inveterate optimist, but I do have a few arguments to back it up :)

giovonni
14th March 2016, 23:05
Thanks for your thoughtful and nicely detailed response ...

My gut sense leans towards a possible cyclical probability ... Especially while noting Graham Hancock's and many others findings - at many historic archaeological sites around the world - which have indicated a global catechism during what geologists call the ‘Younger Dryas’ between 10,800 BC and 9,600 BC ... With lots of evidence suggesting it was the result of a comet crashing into Earth. Now was this all associated and caused by a rogue planet Nibiru - Who knows for Sure?

PS~ note I am also an optimist ... But also a wondering realist by nature ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00112-wondering.gif

araucaria
15th March 2016, 16:11
Thanks for your thoughtful and nicely detailed response ...

My gut sense leans towards a possible cyclical probability ... Especially while noting Graham Hancock's and many others findings - at many historic archaeological sites around the world - which have indicated a global catechism during what geologists call the ‘Younger Dryas’ between 10,800 BC and 9,600 BC ... With lots of evidence suggesting it was the result of a comet crashing into Earth. Now was this all associated and caused by a rogue planet Nibiru - Who knows for Sure?

PS~ note I am also an optimist ... But also a wondering realist by nature ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00112-wondering.gif
Having slept on my post #127, i.e. woken up in the middle of the night to think about it some more, notably about the causes and implications of the cyclical effect you mention, I need more bullet points (again no live ammo, just a few numbers :)).

12. Taking the elongated (elliptical) orbit of a binary star system as a given from this point on, I would first point out how this enables everything to be read in reverse. You have two directions in travel, outward and inward, which may be termed positive and negative, if only in mechanical vector terms to begin with. If this extends to spiritual notions of ‘good’ and ‘evil’ or ‘love’ and ‘fear’, then you would expect different parts of the journey to appeal to varying degrees to different souls at different stages of their evolution. In other words, change is built into the system (astrologers would need to chart Sirius too), and the big lie is that the heavens are totally unchanging on anything approaching a human timescale.

13. This proper motion of the Sun orbiting Sirius is said to coincide with one precession cycle of 25-26,000 years. Since we are now theorized to have just passed the outer extreme from moving out to moving back in, corresponding to ‘apo-Sirius’, then 13,000 years ago we must have been at the opposite extreme moving away from ‘peri-Sirius’ , which is not so much a point as a long period of close interaction. That stage marked the beginning of the negative (outward) motion; it has been downhill ever since, until now, and in this scenario it is indeed the likeliest point for earth upheavals to have taken place. So the research of Bauval, Hancock and others is also consistent with this picture.

14. As I said, peri-Sirius, coinciding with ‘peri-Sol’ for Sirius, would be the time when planets like Saturn could star-hop, or the two stars could do a planet-swap. So if Saturn for example joined the Sun from Sirius (possibly the source of Robert Temple’s Dogon Nommo/Sirius material), then it would logically do so when the Sun’s gravitational pull was at its strongest.

15. This has led me to change my mind about Saturn having been a free-floating planet away from any star. However, such objects do exist, we are told, and are indeed quite common. We are further told that a planet will occasionally be expelled from a star system. Putting two and two together, the ideal moment (and possibly the only window) for a planet to be expelled in this way (or, from the opposite perspective, to take its leave) would be when the companion star’s gravitational pull was at its weakest. According to Santos Bonacci, that would be right now. Hence we are at a point diametrically opposed to the point where you are likely to get incoming planets X, Y or Z, and bang on schedule to see one or more outgoing planets! If so, as disinfo goes, tales of Planet X are nowhere near the usual c.1:9 mix (up to say 90% correct info, 10% disinfo), they are 100% disinfo: exactly the opposite of the truth.

16. Hence Graham Hancock’s material is a data point for catastrophe produced by incoming objects: planetoids or comets, it really makes no difference just now, as we are looking at a probable non-catastrophe from outgoing objects. Here’s another data point: have you ever wondered why Dan Burisch’s J-Rods (reportedly future Earth humans) are dated to 27,000 years and 52,000 years hence? I don’t know about the truth of the story, I am happy just to take it as a modern myth. All the same, those dates make sense. J27 is about 1,000 years ahead of us on the next orbit. Why are these guys in dire need of a fix to save their dying breed? Well, put yourself in the place of our current elite. They have never had it so good for as long as the Sun was moving away from Sirius; but now this explains in very concrete terms exactly why they know their time is up and could see it coming. By J1, they will have been battered by a thousand years of (for them) increasingly adverse conditions. This is pretty much how we would expect to find J27. In addition, they might begin to regret having missed the window I mentioned when they might have got out of Dodge. I’ll rephrase that: they might have been regretting for thousands of years. And they might be using time travel to correct that mistake, here and now, as being somehow easier than next time at J26, for presumably the elite has a stronger grip on the situation now than it will do next time around. In other words, the potential destruction of the Earth is another huge piece of disinfo; the secret space program is designed to remove the planet altogether – a cosmic Brexit (not a flippant remark by the way: as above, so below).

17. So J27 looks like a dying elite that failed to get off the planet in time. Its fate then resembles the fate outlined in the Law of One material, which states that there comes a point where the negative spiritual path runs into a brick wall and you have to switch to positive or ‘die’. You then understand how we are at a fork in the road as a planet: presumably Saturn is opting out and wants to leave with its former moons, now the inner planets. Earth’s choice is then to follow Saturn into the wilderness of interstellar space or stay put. This is a spatial rendering of diverging timelines. It puts a whole new slant on fallen angels and banishments from paradise. Here are two pieces of corroborating evidence: the above scenario would explain the need for both vast underground cities and seedbanks, the latter to restart once this new system became fully operational, the former to cover the period until that time, i.e. the period of wandering during which the Earth would be detached from the Sun as its second, adoptive sun, and until it became reattached to Saturn as its original sun. (If this sounds rather like the Hebrew exodus from Egypt, maybe that is deliberate.)

18. But to make that choice, Earthlings have first to establish their entitlement. At the moment, we are like the rebellious charge of a parent wielding parental authority to the last, and can only have a valid say in what happens to us by coming of age and being presented with all the documentation (disclosure). This is not simply a matter of waiting for a legal majority to kick in automatically; humanity has to become aware and then wrest control of its own affairs from the controllers, otherwise it won’t happen, and the whole Earth will be taken willy-nilly (and I’m pretty sure it would be nilly) on the death ride with them. So the stakes are extremely high. There is a choice to be made, but the hard part is getting in a position to make that choice.

19. J52 on the other hand is us exactly two orbits hence; these beautiful beings are thriving, and so are living proof that the Earth secession failed/fails/will fail to materialize, as well as being, no doubt, contributors to that outcome. It sounds rather like Dolores Cannon’s vision of two earths separating, which is difficult to fathom in concrete terms as she presents it. It makes more sense if sometime soon we see Saturn moving off without us; the Nike swoosh (depicting Saturn’s rings) will disappear, and niké (victory in Greek) will simply mean, quoting Dolores, ‘We made it!’ http://www.interestingfacts.org/fact/facts-about-saturn
https://www.facebook.com/notes/caleb-mandrake/abridged-esotericoccult-significance-of-nike-the-winged-victory-michael-jordan-a/736928783015519/

Hazelfern
16th March 2016, 04:18
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........... ???? ............

StandingWave
16th March 2016, 07:04
I wonder if - in the light of the Sun being one partner in a binary star system idea - the novel 'Helliconia' by Brian Aldiss may be some sort of soft disclosure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helliconia ?


Synopsis

The central character is not any person but the planet itself and its science, particularly in the light of James Lovelock's Gaia Hypothesis. The books describe realistic and credible details of the planet from the perspectives of a great variety of fields of study – astronomy, geology, climatology, geobiology, microbiology, religion, society, and many others – for which Aldiss gained the help of many Oxford academics. Connections are drawn which show numerous ways in which these aspects of life affect each other.

The books are set some six thousand years in the future. A space station from Earth, the Avernus, is orbiting Helliconia and closely observing the planet, including the activities of its intelligent inhabitants. The temptation to interfere in Helliconian affairs is a recurring dilemma for the inhabitants of Avernus.

Helliconia has a very long year (called The Great Year), equivalent to some 2500 Earth years, and global temperatures vary greatly over the year. A major theme of the trilogy is the fragility of human civilisation in the context of environmental changes, and the ability of humanity to preserve and recreate civilisation. Phenomena related to the changing of the seasons of the Great Year provide a deus ex machina plot device in the climax of each of the three books (the exploding trees at the end of Spring which allow the heroes to escape a phagor attack, the migrating fish at the end of Summer which allow the heroes to escape from an invading army, and the marauding phagors at the end of Winter which allow Luterin to escape from his captors).

Helliconia is populated by two intelligent races, humans and phagors. The humans are actually not the same species as Earth humans but a species that is remarkably similar.

araucaria
17th March 2016, 06:45
I have a couple more points to add.
20. In the above scenario, it is more about Earth than humanity per se. The issue is about what happens to Gaia, and humanity’s part in that story. I suggest the ejection of planets poses a gravitational problem that gets bigger the closer one gets in to the star, and hence shifting the Earth would be quite a feat of engineering. One way of achieving this would be to make it somehow lighter, something hard to imagine in gravitational terms, but perhaps easier to visualize in terms of spiritual energy. Thus any strategy to loosen people’s tie to the planet, to weaken their grounding, would made a useful contribution to this effort. They include of course floating off in a drugged stupor, suicidal depression, war, kamikaze terrorism in hope of 72 virgins in an afterlife beyond, and also organized religion with emphasis on the hereafter, or rather on an unidentified somewhereafter. New age spirituality would be yet another tack: if you are one with the cosmos, then you can be anywhere, it does not matter; and with that mindset you are missing the fundamental real estate issue of location location location. Yet other ideas would be the uprooting of country dwellers in large soulless cities, high finance, educational dumbing-down, the appeal of cyberspace, virtual reality, television, listening to politicians making their and space travel. This and all the rest is all familiar stuff on Avalon: which is why the scenario I am setting out makes a lot of sense: it jars with nothing I have already come to understand, including some counterintuitive things I have mentioned before.

21. With humanity as the active wing of Earth’s consciousness, she has two ways of raising that consciousness; the first way is familiar, and as we know seemingly not enough: qualitatively, by raising the spiritual awareness of just a few, gradually spreading to many more. The second way is less familiar, and rather counterintuitive and paradoxical: a material increase in spiritual awareness is achieved by so-called overpopulation whereby awareness is increased quantitatively by large numbers of so-called sheeple progressing maybe only slightly, but it all adds up. Hence population reduction would naturally be on the agenda to enable the Earth to ‘travel light’; indeed it may be necessary in order to get moving at all. The half a billion mentioned on the Georgia guidestones might be a mandatory target to be met before anything can be done, just as a boxer or a jockey needs to shed a few pounds before competing. The Earth then is fighting this like it is trying to shake off a disease. Overpopulation would then be a kind of planetary cholesterol, which is only a symptom of illness for being a corrective measure. The good news then is that the spiritually awakened few are like shock troops relying for their effectiveness on the rank-and-file godless masses. Realizing we are all on the same side defeats the trap of elitism by exerting the power of sheer numbers. But always, the bottom line is that we are in the physical to operate on the physical plane and must not be diverted from that course.

giovonni
22nd March 2016, 22:06
will share this here ...


http://www.coasttocoastam.com/cimages/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/coast-to-coast/repository/thumbnails/killshot-illustration/886171-1-eng-US/Killshot-Illustration.jpg

Natural Healing/ * The Solar Superstorm

March 21, 2016 (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/03/21)


In the first half, Dr. Joel Wallach discussed the human body's innate ability to heal itself through natural means, without the use of dangerous and expensive pharmaceuticals. Ailments and diseases are primarily brought about by deficiencies in various nutrients and minerals, he argues. "We need 60 essential nutrients, 16 minerals, 16 vitamins, 12 amino acids, 3 fatty acids, and this is required by our genes, and our DNA and RNA...to maximize our genetic output," he explained. Regarding the epidemic of diabetes-- it's not due to genetics, but rather that certain nutrients are required to keep blood sugar at the normal range, and to be able to consume and utilize carbohydrates and sugar, he cited.

He connected the cardiovascular problem, atrial fibrillation, with degenerative disc disease, which can cause the vertebrae to move closer together, and disturb the nerves of the heart. Wallach spoke out against taking cholesterol medication (statin drugs cause low testosterone and early menopause in women, he said), and argued that cholesterol has been unnecessarily demonized. He also talked about how many ailments are related to gluten intolerance. For more, check out this link to Wallach's Dead Doctors Radio.

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* Note begins 1 hr 16 minute mark - In the latter half, remote viewing teacher Edward A. Dames, Major, U.S. Army (Ret.) presented updates on his solar 'Killshot' predictions and precursors, and other events he has remote viewed. A lot of the solar flare damage that will lead to infrastructure collapse is actually due to changes in the Earth's core, and the weakening of the magnetic field, he noted. The idea of the 'Killshot' first arose with remote viewers, when they viewed people in the future surviving in underground bunkers.

While there has already been "a shot across the bow" (a massive solar flare in 2012 that luckily wasn't directed at Earth), he suggested that the warning signs for the 'Killshot' sequence will begin with an X-10 flare, and a large passing body in space. Such a passing body was responsible for disturbances in Mars' atmosphere which led to the fall of ancient civilizations there, he added. Dames and his team have been looking at "sanctuaries"-- long term optimal places to survive on Earth. There were few promising zones in North America, and some like British Columbia initially looked good but turned out to have too much radiation after the event, he said. Dames believes cataclysmic events are imminent, and that the 2016 presidential election may not be held due to the imposing of martial law.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8_R0s-bTAo

Redstar Kachina
23rd March 2016, 01:22
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Inversion
23rd March 2016, 01:29
I have a difficult time conceptualizing Nibiru being a standalone planet or part of a mini-constellation orbiting Nemesis. Is this image accurate?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Sumarian/Solar_System.jpg
Source: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/03files/Sumerian_Astronomy_01.html

Bill Ryan
23rd March 2016, 02:20
Is this image accurate?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Sumarian/Solar_System.jpg
Source: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/03files/Sumerian_Astronomy_01.html

It's 'accurate' inasmuch as yes, this is a good photo of cylinder seal VA243, now in a museum in Berlin. What it seems to show is for us to interpret as best we can!

amor
4th April 2016, 00:02
Garabandal looks to me like technology, advanced to us the uninformed, but done by those in collusion with the catholic church at least. The church obviously knows all about Planet X.

seah
4th April 2016, 13:19
if and when a massive solar body becomes visible to us there would be panic worldwide, and at that point, if one large scale natural looking event was to take place in any continent it would be the end of life as we know it; the time to finally put all those holding places to use...yet it would still not prove that a planet x causes cataclysm events.

giovonni
4th April 2016, 17:10
Researcher links mass extinctions to 'Planet X' (http://phys.org/news/2016-03-links-mass-extinctions-planet.html)

sheme
4th April 2016, 22:38
Thank you for this information Gio I am grateful to you for being unselfish and sharing your time with us all.

justntime2learn
5th April 2016, 17:16
Love your post Gio :heart:

What do you think?

23 September 2017: How Rare is the Revelation 12 Heavenly Sign? Once in 7000 Years!!

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Link:https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2014/10/27/23-september-2017-how-rare-is-the-revelation-12-heavenly-sign-once-in-7000-years/

Nick Matkin
5th April 2016, 18:29
I there are hundreds of different 'significant' astronomical alignments over decades. Individually all rare, but there are so may of them one comes along every couple of years.

Just a few weeks ago Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn were all visible together in the night sky. Interesting and rare, but so what?

Then only last year there were a series of four consecutive lunar eclipses (blood moons) —coinciding on Jewish holidays—with six full moons in between, and no intervening partial lunar eclipses. Apparently a sign of the End Times. Then, suddenly, nothing happened.

No doubt amateur astronomers here can think of other rare but unimportant events.

Throw religions connotations into them and guess what? More meaningless joining of dots - literally it seems in this case. :facepalm:

Rocky_Shorz
5th April 2016, 20:18
,



Is this image accurate?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Sumarian/Solar_System.jpg


Source: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/03files/Sumerian_Astronomy_01.html

It's 'accurate' inasmuch as yes, this is a good photo of cylinder seal VA243, now in a museum in Berlin. What it seems to show is for us to interpret as best we can!

Which makes us wonder what 11 planets plus 1, is the big debris belt the remains of another planet, or 2-3?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkbFxMsmj2ZK_znbUbDT3MNBVXGgakM K9DJfOXN_PN1wEBMMrf

giovonni
5th April 2016, 20:29
Thanks again to everyone for their posted contributions here.

I especially extend my gratitude to all those who demonstrate the tenacity in solving this planetary enigma ...
With no doubt - "Interest in Planet X is plain to see. Even if the planet itself isn’t" ... So far ... ;)

giovonni
5th April 2016, 20:35
And speaking of tenacity ...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Percival_Lowell_observing_Venus_from_the_Lowell_Ob servatory_in_1914.jpg/420px-Percival_Lowell_observing_Venus_from_the_Lowell_Ob servatory_in_1914.jpg

Percival Lowell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percival_Lowell), originator of the Planet X hypothesis

Rocky_Shorz
5th April 2016, 20:55
Voyager left the solar system in Sept 2013...

Have we heard any updates what it has learned?

giovonni
5th April 2016, 21:34
Voyager left the solar system in Sept 2013...

Have we heard any updates what it has learned?

Good question ...


WHERE ARE THE VOYAGERS? (http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/where/)


Last words ...

A postcard to the edge. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/11938568/Earth-to-send-final-postcard-to-Voyager.html)

Rocky_Shorz
5th April 2016, 23:22
July 2005

http://www.gemini.edu/images/stories/websplash/websplash2005-14/fig1.jpg

Gemini Observatory has obtained a preliminary spectrum of 2003 UB313, the so-called "10th planet". These observations were obtained on January 25, 2005 by Chad Trujillo, a Gemini staff member who is also on the discovery team for 2003 UB313, the existence of which was formally announced by the Minor Planet Center in Cambridge, MA on July 29, 2005. The discovery team (Mike Brown of Caltech, Chad Trujillo of Gemini and David Rabinowitz of Yale) are still uncertain of the exact size of the body, but report that it must be Pluto-sized or larger. The body is the most distant solar system body known to orbit the sun at 97 AU from the sun, over 3 times farther away than planet Pluto. The "planet" was originally discovered in late December 2004 with data collected from the Samuel Oschin 1.2 meter telescope at Palomar Mountain, CA.

To better characterize the surface of the object the team obtained spectra with NIRI (the near-infrared spectrograph) on the much larger 8 meter Gemini North telescope on Mauna Kea, Hawaii. The NIRI spectra shows strong signatures of methane ice, remarkably similar to the spectrum of Pluto, which is also dominated by methane ice in near-infrared observations. Figure 2 shows the spectra of Pluto and 2003 UB313, with arrows marking the "dips" that correspond to methane features. The same features are readily apparent in both the Pluto and the 2003 UB313 spectra.

Figure 2: 2003 UB313 spectrum (red, obtained at Gemini Observatory by Trujillo, Brown and Rabinowitz) and Pluto (black, from Rudy et al. 2003). The "dips" characteristic of methane ice are indicated by red arrows and are present in both 2003 UB313 and Pluto.

Trujillo states, "We still do not know much about this object, however, it is clear that it is very similar to Pluto in both size and composition, at least upon first glance." The presence of methane ice is unusual in that it indicates a primitive surface that has not likely been heated significantly since the solar system formed 4.5 billion years ago. "If 2003 UB313 ever got close to the sun, all the methane ice would have boiled off immediately," Trujillo continued. "To date, no one has seen methane on any other Kuiper Belt Object, only on Pluto and Neptune's moon Triton." The distant Kuiper Belt is a collection of bodies orbiting the sun beyond Neptune, and is likely the parent population to the comets.

Figure 3: Approximate relative orbital sizes (top) and relative diameters (below). Note that it appears UB 313 passes inside Pluto’s orbit, but this is due to the fact that UB 313’s orbit is tilted significantly more than Pluto’s orbit relative to the plane of the solar system (UB 313’s orbit is tilted almost 45° and Pluto’s is about 17°).

Full Resolution TIFF (17.5MB)

The team have also obtained spectra of the smaller mini-planet 2003 EL61, which was reported on July 28, 2005 by two independent teams: one from the Sierra Nevada Observatory in Spain and the Brown, Trujillo and Rabinowitz team. This object is smaller than Pluto, but shows strong water-ice features, similar to what is seen on the surface of Pluto's moon Charon.

Results will be reported in detail at the 37th annual meeting of the Division for Planetary Sciences of the American Astronomical Society in September 2005 at the University of Cambridge, UK. LINK (http://www.gemini.edu/node/142)

http://www.gemini.edu/images/stories/websplash/websplash2005-14/fig3.gif

justntime2learn
10th April 2016, 14:43
Could it be ?

Anyone live in Florida ?

wdHSJm-3i3I

Bill Ryan
10th April 2016, 16:05
Anyone live in Florida ?


Again: (Please! :) )

If there was a massive object close to the sun, we'd ALL be able to see it, ALL over the world, ALL the time, at ALL hours of the day.

regnak
10th April 2016, 18:19
Might not be true who knows ?:o

Nick Matkin
11th April 2016, 12:18
Could it be ?

Anyone live in Florida ?

wdHSJm-3i3I

I think the Youtube category this video is in rather gives the game away...

najara12000
11th April 2016, 14:57
Could it be ?

Anyone live in Florida ?

wdHSJm-3i3I

I think the Youtube category this video is in rather gives the game away...



Is there any explanation from anyone IF this is not Nibiru. Then, what is it? That's really all I'd like to know. This is being seen by non-astronomers and non-amateur astronomers and amateur astronomers across the internet. What is it? Simple question. :facepalm:

Nick Matkin
11th April 2016, 19:00
Is there any explanation from anyone IF this is not Nibiru. Then, what is it? That's really all I'd like to know. This is being seen by non-astronomers and non-amateur astronomers and amateur astronomers across the internet. What is it? Simple question.

Almost certainly a lens flare in a camera being pointed towards the sun by someone who is not familiar with camera artefacts when used like this. (There are other threads on PA describing this in detail, with examples.)

I don't think any serious amateur astronomers have reported anything like this. A serious amateur astronomer would not point their camera at the sun and claim it shows Nibiru, Planet X, etc.

But just think about it; apart from that 'object' wobbling all over the screen at varying distances from the sun (a sure sign of a lens flare or some other camera artefact!), something that obvious would be reported by hundreds of thousands of people. Instead, it gets reported by perhaps a few dozen people, erratically here and there who are not experienced photographers, using digital cameras in a way they were not designed for (i.e. pointing them at very bright objects) and don't ever claim to see the object with their own eyes - only through a camera...

Bill Ryan
11th April 2016, 19:31
I think the Youtube category this video is in rather gives the game away...

Yes. In case that was missed!

http://projectavalon.net/comedy.gif

This YouTube comment was very poker-faced, and may well also have been missed by many.




Janet Winslow (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0M8HjgKawv25abozYaEGzQ) Amazing. My bother runs an amateur astronomy club and all the members have been paid by TPTB not to report this. Apparently all amateur astronomers all over the world have either been paid off or scared into silence depending on each country's government policy on this.

Mutchie
11th April 2016, 20:49
Why were all the underground bases worldwide built ? Why was the Norwegian Doomsday vault built?

Why do ex military figures such as John Moore etc keep telling us that they have received information about Planet X,s arrival ?

Why is there SO MUCH circumstantial evidence of this Brown Dwarfs existence ?

The Sumerian tablets talk about Nibiru .... It really makes you wander but this subject can SUCK YOU RIGHT IN !!!!!

Thankfully Bill is right if it were next to or behind the SUN WE WOULD ALL SEE IT SURELY .....

Thanks for posting Giovanni i very much enjoyed reading all the information and the thread in general.:clapping:

najara12000
11th April 2016, 21:04
Why were all the underground bases worldwide built ? Why was the Norwegian Doomsday vault built?

Why do ex military figures such as John Moore etc keep telling us that they have received information about Planet X,s arrival ?

Why is there SO MUCH circumstantial evidence of this Brown Dwarfs existence ?

The Sumerian tablets talk about Nibiru .... It really makes you wander but this subject can SUCK YOU RIGHT IN !!!!!

Thankfully Bill is right if it were next to or behind the SUN WE WOULD ALL SEE IT SURELY .....

Thanks for posting Giovanni i very much enjoyed reading all the information and the thread in general.:clapping:

Sorry I'm behind so many of you here that know or have concluded. I guess? the people that are talking about this believe Sitchens interpretation of the Sumerian Tablets. I just recently read, though, that information was channeled. So, now, I don't know what to think. If the info is channeled and is wrong then the thread leads to those that are now still believing this information and that it is written in the Bible, supposedly. But who really knows what the true interpretation is for the Book of Revelation? The Eastern Orthodox won't touch the book and they believe they have kept the teachings of the Church in tact while the Roman Catholic Church....well, we know what the Roman Catholic Church does.

giovonni
14th April 2016, 07:12
will share this here ...

Leak Project

Gerald Clark Geneaology of the Gods - Return of Nibiru & The Anunnaki

"Stellar Interview with Mr Clark. He brings a gourmet buffet of knowledge in reference to the ancient Summerian Tablets and other Ancient Texts written throughout history across the globe. Going back over 400,000 years Mr Clark has been able to pinpoint nearly every God and their name back to the Anunnaki. Not just Zecharia Sitchin translates the Summerian Tablets and Texts, get even more detailed accounts going back to who is referred to as the Creator of All. Also in the book of Genesis when it says "We created Man in our Image" Gerald is able to name the 6 Anunnaki members that were apart of the Galactic Council that Genetically Modified the Earthlings at that time, to be slaves to harness gold for their Planet Nibiru's atmosphere. They needed the Gold to protect the planet from the Sun during its 3600 year cycle, which goes around the Earth. Enki and Enlil are brothers that both had a hand in creating modern man according to the translations Mr Clark has put together from numerous sources, including the Summerian Tablets that predate the Holy Bible by thousands of years. Gerald also says we are still involved in a Galactic War between Enki & Enlil. So much information you might listen to this podcast more than once. If you would like to know more, check out Gerald and his website" @ https://www.geraldclark77.com


Biography:

Gerald Clark is a 1994 graduate of the University of California at San Diego. He holds an MSEE in Electronic Circuits and Systems, and a BS in Computer Engineering. The author of several papers in the communications and electronics field, he is well known for his work in the San Diego high technology industry, and was awarded several patents in the Free Space Optical Laser Communications field.

During the years 1996-2002, working as a telecommunications executive, Gerald’s business travels took him to various parts of the world exposing him to a plethora of cultures which acted as a catalyst for his research into mankind's earliest technologies and accomplishments, including the cultures of Mesopotamia and the surrounding areas of Turkey, Egypt, Persia, and Iraq, eventually leading to the cuneiform-inscribed tablets left by the Sumerians.

Published on Apr 13, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8bS-4UkvDQ&feature=em-uploademail

araucaria
14th April 2016, 10:07
Thank you Gio, I’ll certainly watch that video when I get time. In the meantime, I have compiled a list of my posts referring to the issue of how ‘Nibiru Now’ may have come about, and how in my view it is mistaken. It is due to trying to shoehorn into Sitchin’s 3600–year cycle timeline the eruption of Santorini in 1600 BC, which simply does not work. After five years, I am still waiting for someone to address this anomaly, never mind explain it. Until they do, then Annunaki material will continue to be fascinating, but for me the urgency and immediacy is coming from another quarter.

The following posts are in reverse chronological order (most recent first):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=843971&viewfull=1#post843971
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62244-A-credible-insider-whistleblower-and-some-extremely-important-information-if-true&p=715231&viewfull=1#post715231
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62103-Pattie-Brassard-Interview-with-Veritas-Radio-on-The-Event----&p=712836&viewfull=1#post712836
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31011-The-Bob-Dean-Thread&p=551381&viewfull=1#post551381
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30578-Binary-Star-Isn-t-Real-Until-it-is-on-CNN&p=312869&viewfull=1#post312869
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30578-Binary-Star-Isn-t-Real-Until-it-is-on-CNN&p=312281&viewfull=1#post312281

Bill Ryan
14th April 2016, 10:46
Thank you Gio, I’ll certainly watch that video when I get time. In the meantime, I have compiled a list of my posts referring to the issue of how ‘Nibiru Now’ may have come about, and how in my view it is mistaken. It is due to trying to shoehorn into Sitchin’s 3600–year cycle timeline the eruption of Santorini in 1600 BC, which simply does not work. After five years, I am still waiting for someone to address this anomaly, never mind explain it. Until they do, then Annunaki material will continue to be fascinating, but for me the urgency and immediacy is coming from another quarter.

The following posts are in reverse chronological order (most recent first):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=843971&viewfull=1#post843971
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62244-A-credible-insider-whistleblower-and-some-extremely-important-information-if-true&p=715231&viewfull=1#post715231
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62103-Pattie-Brassard-Interview-with-Veritas-Radio-on-The-Event----&p=712836&viewfull=1#post712836
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31011-The-Bob-Dean-Thread&p=551381&viewfull=1#post551381
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30578-Binary-Star-Isn-t-Real-Until-it-is-on-CNN&p=312869&viewfull=1#post312869
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30578-Binary-Star-Isn-t-Real-Until-it-is-on-CNN&p=312281&viewfull=1#post312281

Yes... I'm pretty sure we can NOT blindly accept Sitchin's word for all this stuff, as many have done: not smart to do so, uncritically. His books WERE partially channeled — meaning: while he did know Sumerian, he was 'guided' about the specific interpretation of certain ambiguous or unclear translation issues. And he may well have been deliberately misled by whoever or whatever he was believing.

The idea of the Anunnaki riding around on an icy planetoid patiently waiting for it to get nearer to Earth again is obviously ridiculous. They're an ancient, advanced race, with high tech space flight capability, and can (and do) come here any time they want to. But what and where their home planet really is is unknown, at least publicly.

Meanwhile we've seen, on many posts and threads, that there IS good evidence that our solar system is a binary one (as most are!), and there's something large out there, somewhere, that the insiders DO know about and have been watching for a while. (No, it's nowhere near the sun, or else we'd all be seeing it all the time.) Whether this is 'Planet Nine' or not, I have no idea.

Hazelfern
14th April 2016, 20:27
will share this here ...


http://www.coasttocoastam.com/cimages/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/coast-to-coast/repository/thumbnails/killshot-illustration/886171-1-eng-US/Killshot-Illustration.jpg

Natural Healing/ * The Solar Superstorm

March 21, 2016 (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/03/21)


In the first half, Dr. Joel Wallach discussed the human body's innate ability to heal itself through natural means, without the use of dangerous and expensive pharmaceuticals. Ailments and diseases are primarily brought about by deficiencies in various nutrients and minerals, he argues. "We need 60 essential nutrients, 16 minerals, 16 vitamins, 12 amino acids, 3 fatty acids, and this is required by our genes, and our DNA and RNA...to maximize our genetic output," he explained. Regarding the epidemic of diabetes-- it's not due to genetics, but rather that certain nutrients are required to keep blood sugar at the normal range, and to be able to consume and utilize carbohydrates and sugar, he cited.

He connected the cardiovascular problem, atrial fibrillation, with degenerative disc disease, which can cause the vertebrae to move closer together, and disturb the nerves of the heart. Wallach spoke out against taking cholesterol medication (statin drugs cause low testosterone and early menopause in women, he said), and argued that cholesterol has been unnecessarily demonized. He also talked about how many ailments are related to gluten intolerance. For more, check out this link to Wallach's Dead Doctors Radio.

-------------------------------

* Note begins 1 hr 16 minute mark - In the latter half, remote viewing teacher Edward A. Dames, Major, U.S. Army (Ret.) presented updates on his solar 'Killshot' predictions and precursors, and other events he has remote viewed. A lot of the solar flare damage that will lead to infrastructure collapse is actually due to changes in the Earth's core, and the weakening of the magnetic field, he noted. The idea of the 'Killshot' first arose with remote viewers, when they viewed people in the future surviving in underground bunkers.

While there has already been "a shot across the bow" (a massive solar flare in 2012 that luckily wasn't directed at Earth), he suggested that the warning signs for the 'Killshot' sequence will begin with an X-10 flare, and a large passing body in space. Such a passing body was responsible for disturbances in Mars' atmosphere which led to the fall of ancient civilizations there, he added. Dames and his team have been looking at "sanctuaries"-- long term optimal places to survive on Earth. There were few promising zones in North America, and some like British Columbia initially looked good but turned out to have too much radiation after the event, he said. Dames believes cataclysmic events are imminent, and that the 2016 presidential election may not be held due to the imposing of martial law.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8_R0s-bTAo

I’m going to listen because it coincides with a dream I had 2 nights prior to the release. The dream in short version: the manger of Beneficial Bank in the town where I work came to the table where a large group had gathered for an Italian meal. He spoke quietly to a person at the front end of the table. I could hear him, I think everyone could.

Bank Manager: I apologize for telling you that secret. I did not have the authority.
Me: I wonder what the secret was?
Person to my left: It is about Nibiru ~ earth grazer causing a pole shift.

For what it's worth: Beneficial Bank is Vatican owned and founded on the principles of St. John Neumann.

amor
14th April 2016, 22:02
Latest Intel - April - 2016 - Planet X & The Blue Kachina - Steve Olson & WSO

Please go to You-tube.com/Latest Intel - April - 2016 - Planet X & The Blue Kachina - Steve Olson & WSO.

See views of Planet X between sun and earth, also another view of Sun, Planet, and larger orb with purple outline nearer and larger around 50:05.

Be prepared.

amor
15th April 2016, 00:07
Dear Bill: Thank you for your message. My message above re Planet X was very short. Since I do not know how to post videos, I can only leave the title under the video and let others choose whether they wish to look it up themselves. Re my message about the Pope's Announcement, I do not see it posted. Is that the long message you meant? Viewers would understand the upcoming Bank Meetings if they read the Pope's message. I try hard to be concise.





From Bill in reply — Thanks!


Your original Planet X post (before I shortened it to show it as above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88839-Nibiru-Will-Pass-Earth-Before-November-2017-The-Evidence-w-Investigator-David-Meade&p=1060878&viewfull=1#post1060878)) was, I'm sure accidentally, super-super-long... I sent you a copy of the original by PM. But it's all fine now.
Your 'Pope's Announcement' post you said you didn't see, is here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90046-Pope-declares-absolute-rule-over-all-Earth-cancels-all-corporations.-Here-comes-the-chip.&p=1060803#post1060803 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90046-Pope-declares-absolute-rule-over-all-Earth-cancels-all-corporations.-Here-comes-the-chip.&p=1060803#post1060803)

araucaria
16th April 2016, 09:14
Thank you Gio, I’ll certainly watch that video when I get time. In the meantime, I have compiled a list of my posts referring to the issue of how ‘Nibiru Now’ may have come about, and how in my view it is mistaken. It is due to trying to shoehorn into Sitchin’s 3600–year cycle timeline the eruption of Santorini in 1600 BC, which simply does not work. After five years, I am still waiting for someone to address this anomaly, never mind explain it. Until they do, then Annunaki material will continue to be fascinating, but for me the urgency and immediacy is coming from another quarter.

The following posts are in reverse chronological order (most recent first):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=843971&viewfull=1#post843971
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62244-A-credible-insider-whistleblower-and-some-extremely-important-information-if-true&p=715231&viewfull=1#post715231
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62103-Pattie-Brassard-Interview-with-Veritas-Radio-on-The-Event----&p=712836&viewfull=1#post712836
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31011-The-Bob-Dean-Thread&p=551381&viewfull=1#post551381
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30578-Binary-Star-Isn-t-Real-Until-it-is-on-CNN&p=312869&viewfull=1#post312869
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30578-Binary-Star-Isn-t-Real-Until-it-is-on-CNN&p=312281&viewfull=1#post312281

Yes... I'm pretty sure we can NOT blindly accept Sitchin's word for all this stuff, as many have done: not smart to do so, uncritically. His books WERE partially channeled — meaning: while he did know Sumerian, he was 'guided' about the specific interpretation of certain ambiguous or unclear translation issues. And he may well have been deliberately misled by whoever or whatever he was believing.

The idea of the Anunnaki riding around on an icy planetoid patiently waiting for it to get nearer to Earth again is obviously ridiculous. They're an ancient, advanced race, with high tech space flight capability, and can (and do) come here any time they want to. But what and where their home planet really is is unknown, at least publicly.

Meanwhile we've seen, on many posts and threads, that there IS good evidence that our solar system is a binary one (as most are!), and there's something large out there, somewhere, that the insiders DO know about and have been watching for a while. (No, it's nowhere near the sun, or else we'd all be seeing it all the time.) Whether this is 'Planet Nine' or not, I have no idea.
Thank you Bill, yours is the only possible answer to the anomaly I raised. If Sitchin’s story is so good, then why not stick to it? But I have another angle on the tablets themselves: he may have done a bona fide translation, but of what exactly? Nothing is carved in stone, especially when the stone is still wet clay. :)

The notion of Urtext as the oldest, original version of a text, comes from the name Ur, where civilization according to the Sumerian story starts. ‘Bible’ being another notion that emphasizes the idea of authoritativeness. This is the notion that has been so firmly implanted and that we need to get away from, as I and others have been doing regularly on this forum. Below is an example of how it can be undermined. I have quoted the experimental writer Claude Ollier several times before. He has an interesting take on presidential assassinations, on love, and on the afterlife. See the following respectively:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78782-Charlie-Hebdo-shooting-eleven-dead-at-Paris-offices-of-satirical-magazine&p=921607&viewfull=1#post921607
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=895061&viewfull=1#post895061
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=898478&viewfull=1#post898478

Being an experimental writer means you are hardly read by anyone; why this should be is largely because you are not writing down a story experienced or imagined ‘out there’: the tale is immanent to the writing, seen as a specific, and exotic, form of exploration. Unsurprisingly, Ollier’s heroes, who turn out to be avatars of the investigator, take him out into space. La Vie sur Epsilon (Life on Epsilon, published in 1972, and therefore written during the moon landing years, describes an expedition that goes wrong owing to hallucinations and other perturbations caused by the planet itself, through a perceptible but invisible feminine presence. The rocket is shut down upon landing, and when a rescue party arrives, only the commander is still alive. This actually sounds closer to the alternative, paranormal version of the moon landings that has been leaking out - or freaking out :) - than to the Hollywood/Houston version that has been springing internal leaks, so to speak.

The next book is called Enigma (1973) and the hero, O, is subjected to rehabilitation on planet Iota, followed by convalescence on Earth in the sacred Sudanese city of Ezzala. The following novel is titled Our ou Vingt Ans Après (Ur or Twenty Years On, 1974), taking the astronaut/investigator to Ur near Baghdad, where his contacts use the pseudos Ea, Enlil, Anu, Marduk, Shamash.... There is a scribe producing tablets in realtime describing what is happening. When O gets the last paragraph of one translated, it turns out to be exactly what we read only a couple of lines earlier, meaning that the book we are reading and the content of the tablets is one and the same. Hence any notion of the Urtext or Urschrift as a closed system is short-circuited: the tablets are open-ended and ongoing – and most of all incomplete. For at the end, the scribe, Marduk’s son Nabu, disappears when Anu’s daughter Tiamat makes off with the four latest tablets. He has left copies of all but the last one, but the record of the others’ revelation of their true identities is missing. O’s next mission in Fuzzy Sets will be to go after Tiamat in earth orbit...

I don’t have time to offer a proper analysis, but the bottom line is that there is no beginning to our story-telling. In archaeological terms this literally the bottom line: you simply dig down to virgin soil where the story-telling stops. It stops, it doesn’t start. Alternatively, it progresses, but in the other direction, until one day maybe it will stop. There you have the commonality of the genetic-type narrative and the apocalyptic: they work hand in hand to negate this concept of continuity that is life itself: to quote an old phrase, Stop the world, I want to get off. Meanwhile, exerting a semblance of control, the ‘controllers’ are clinging on for dear life. To what? To us.

greybeard
16th April 2016, 10:51
Taking Sitchin's work and all the videos aside--there does seem to have been several near extinctions of the human race.
As to whether this was caused by a possible cyclic event as in "Nibiru" passing by and or other natural causes I have no way of knowing, though there is plenty of scientific evidence of super volcanic eruptions, massive earth quakes and meteor impact.

Who knows what the future holds--enjoy this moment.

Chris

Redstar Kachina
16th April 2016, 11:46
..........

Redstar Kachina
16th April 2016, 12:09
..........

bettye198
17th April 2016, 23:14
I love how all the theorists out there know when Nibiru will pass by with a date! My understanding it won't happen for a long time. Nibiru astronomically is located farther out than Pluto in placement and Chiron is between Pluto and Nibiru. Wouldn't that be saying Pluto will be in our focus as well?

I learned that the Nibirubian races ( many not so nice) actually seeded those humongous crystals in the deep caves in Mexico. Some time ago those crystals were re-calibrated by Hosts on our side. No telling what the Nibirubians were up to. They engaged in a lot of warfare in the ancient of times. So its okay with me that they do not come visiting.

giovonni
18th April 2016, 01:03
will share this here ...

Leak Project

Gerald Clark Geneaology of the Gods - Return of Nibiru & The Anunnaki

"Stellar Interview with Mr Clark. He brings a gourmet buffet of knowledge in reference to the ancient Summerian Tablets and other Ancient Texts written throughout history across the globe. Going back over 400,000 years Mr Clark has been able to pinpoint nearly every God and their name back to the Anunnaki. Not just Zecharia Sitchin translates the Summerian Tablets and Texts, get even more detailed accounts going back to who is referred to as the Creator of All. Also in the book of Genesis when it says "We created Man in our Image" Gerald is able to name the 6 Anunnaki members that were apart of the Galactic Council that Genetically Modified the Earthlings at that time, to be slaves to harness gold for their Planet Nibiru's atmosphere. They needed the Gold to protect the planet from the Sun during its 3600 year cycle, which goes around the Earth. Enki and Enlil are brothers that both had a hand in creating modern man according to the translations Mr Clark has put together from numerous sources, including the Summerian Tablets that predate the Holy Bible by thousands of years. Gerald also says we are still involved in a Galactic War between Enki & Enlil. So much information you might listen to this podcast more than once. If you would like to know more, check out Gerald and his website" @ https://www.geraldclark77.com


Biography:

Gerald Clark is a 1994 graduate of the University of California at San Diego. He holds an MSEE in Electronic Circuits and Systems, and a BS in Computer Engineering. The author of several papers in the communications and electronics field, he is well known for his work in the San Diego high technology industry, and was awarded several patents in the Free Space Optical Laser Communications field.

During the years 1996-2002, working as a telecommunications executive, Gerald’s business travels took him to various parts of the world exposing him to a plethora of cultures which acted as a catalyst for his research into mankind's earliest technologies and accomplishments, including the cultures of Mesopotamia and the surrounding areas of Turkey, Egypt, Persia, and Iraq, eventually leading to the cuneiform-inscribed tablets left by the Sumerians.

Published on Apr 13, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8bS-4UkvDQ&feature=em-uploademail

A follow up interview ...

Leak Project

Gerald R. Clark: Nibiru Returns -
Timeline Decoded, Summerian Biblical & Other Ancient Texts Decoded

"Excellent information with Gerald R. Clark laying out the timeline of the Return of Nibiru. The Summerian Tablets, Biblical Prophecy and a plethora of other Ancient Texts and documents have been compiled to create reference points and orbital path of Nibiru aka Planet X. Gerald makes it very clear he doesn't know the exact time the Winged Destroyer will be passing Earth."

Published on Apr 17, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-LWQfA13jU&feature=em-uploademail

giovonni
20th April 2016, 23:53
interesting ...

Leak Project

Earth Entering Binary Starsystem, 2016 Nibiru, Wormwood, Planet X, Latest, Steve Olson WSO

"Excellent interview with Steve and the WSO "Wormwood System Observer" - Bringing forth a gourmet buffet in reference to the latest imagery of Nibiru, Planet X, The Red Kachina, a Green Heavenly body, Freak Lightning Storm with no clouds and a couple images of UFO's that are among the best i've ever seen! You don't want to miss this Exclusive! Special Thank you to Steve and WSO" - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzgiy1ILy6_jwdG3nxrW-nQ

Published on Apr 20, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muohOa1-ujM

Calz
21st April 2016, 00:16
Something big is happening to our planet.

No debate.

Debunkers get lost.


Not clear exactly what that is ... but I expect it won't take long to find out ...

Bill Ryan
21st April 2016, 01:35
interesting ...

Leak Project

Earth Entering Binary Starsystem, 2016 Nibiru, Wormwood, Planet X, Latest, Steve Olson WSO

"Excellent interview with Steve and the WSO "Wormwood System Observer" - Bringing forth a gourmet buffet in reference to the latest imagery of Nibiru, Planet X, The Red Kachina, a Green Heavenly body, Freak Lightning Storm with no clouds and a couple images of UFO's that are among the best i've ever seen! You don't want to miss this Exclusive! Special Thank you to Steve and WSO" - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzgiy1ILy6_jwdG3nxrW-nQ

Published on Apr 20, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muohOa1-ujM


I'm afraid I stopped listening about 4 mins in, when it became totally clear Steve Olson didn't know the different between physical pole movement and magnetic pole movement, and was confusing/mixing the two.

giovonni
21st April 2016, 05:29
That's fine Bill, and if you listened longer - you would of probably heard a lot of other things you might also disagree with as well ... Though within the interview talk, Steve and Rex stated quite clearly - they are not scientist nor experts ... They also plainly proclaimed they are not trying to convince anyone else they are ... I also find them both interesting to listen to. They are simply discussing the possibilities along with some other related items. Please note i for one, do appreciate and respect them and others (here and on the internet) sharing their feelings and opinions on this topic matter.

I personally sense and believe something unique is troubling and effecting our shared consciousness on this planet ... Now whether it is an incoming rouge planet, comet, or even an entire binary system ... That is all still to be seen in the skies above ... And (if) most probably without the need of a any photos to prove it ... :photo:

PS - please note the photo on the above video cover, is not of the so-called planet x, but is of a mysterious/worldly UFO captured and submitted to Steve Olson by a contributing listener to his youtube channel.

giovonni
22nd April 2016, 03:22
will share this here ...

Mass Extinctions in the Electric Universe | Space News

ThunderboltsProject

"A recently published scientific paper is creating a firestorm of media coverage around the world. The paper’s lead author, Daniel Whitmire, proposes that the hypothesized Planet X, a never-discovered body believed by some to exist in the outer solar system, is responsible for mass extinctions on Earth approximately every 27 million years. Recently, researchers at Caltech have inferred Planet X’s presence from orbital anomalies in Kuiper Belt objects. Wal Thornhill discusses the tenability of these claims from an Electric Universe perspective."


Planet X: Five Fast Facts You Need to Know (http://heavy.com/news/2016/04/daniel-whitmire-astrophysicist-planet-nine-x-will-end-life-destroy-world-extinction-comet-dinosaurs-nibiru/)

Dwardu Cardona: Order Out of Chaos | EU2015 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kWz6duTcOE)

Published on Apr 21, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wJp13z0MVI&feature=em-uploademail

bettye198
24th April 2016, 17:13
No doubt there are orbital anomalies at the Kuiper Belt, I remember Stewart Swerdlow talked about that in his lectures. To further remark about the poles, our magnetosphere is in great trouble and has been referred to as the Poison Apple. I am quoting my notes from the Ascension Mechanics video with Kerry Cassidy and Ashayana. A living light eternal being ( incl planet) has a supposed north axis always pointing north. The planetary shield formed from a spinning Merkaba goes horizontal and that is the natural energy cycle. It is called the YanYun Flow. Sadly, it looks nothing like that now. The Poison Apple twists a portion of the light body to create a false spirit body, blocking inflow of energy, traps consciousness and creates trumpets which look like satellite dishes that move with the earth's wobble picking up signals from the galactic core. It has become a total wobble core, not natural. The most important effect of all this is the RODS inside our planet that allow for inflow and outflow of energy ( the Earth's breathing mechanism). Because of the tilt and wobble, the rods are off their trajectory and are referred to as Wormwood so it interferes with normal interface with the Sun to spark and generate quantum. This is a part of the dark agenda to harness the planets into a parallel fallen system.p.s. I would love to post the schematics but it looks like I am having difficulty posting here with the tool bar.

Bill Ryan
24th April 2016, 17:52
^^ That last post contained 250 words and 15 sentences. I understood a few of the simpler words, and none of the sentences at all, apart from the first and last ones.

RunningDeer
24th April 2016, 18:22
No doubt there are orbital anomalies at the Kuiper Belt, I remember Stewart Swerdlow talked about that in his lectures. To further remark about the poles, our magnetosphere is in great trouble and has been referred to as the Poison Apple. I am quoting my notes from the Ascension Mechanics video with Kerry Cassidy and Ashayana. ..

p.s. I would love to post the schematics but it looks like I am having difficulty posting here with the tool bar.

Hi bettye198,

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/reading_zpsy3igdwax.GIF A continuous block of text with small colored font is difficult to read. Often, I’ve passed by posts because I don’t have the time to copy and paste in a document to read.

RunningDeer :wave:

bettye198's post:

No doubt there are orbital anomalies at the Kuiper Belt, I remember Stewart Swerdlow talked about that in his lectures. To further remark about the poles, our magnetosphere is in great trouble and has been referred to as the Poison Apple.

I am quoting my notes from the Ascension Mechanics video with Kerry Cassidy and Ashayana. A living light eternal being ( incl planet) has a supposed north axis always pointing north. The planetary shield formed from a spinning Merkaba goes horizontal and that is the natural energy cycle. It is called the YanYun Flow. Sadly, it looks nothing like that now.

The Poison Apple twists a portion of the light body to create a false spirit body, blocking inflow of energy, traps consciousness and creates trumpets which look like satellite dishes that move with the earth's wobble picking up signals from the galactic core. It has become a total wobble core, not natural.

The most important effect of all this is the RODS inside our planet that allow for inflow and outflow of energy ( the Earth's breathing mechanism). Because of the tilt and wobble, the rods are off their trajectory and are referred to as Wormwood so it interferes with normal interface with the Sun to spark and generate quantum. This is a part of the dark agenda to harness the planets into a parallel fallen system.

p.s. I would love to post the schematics but it looks like I am having difficulty posting here with the tool bar.

justntime2learn
26th April 2016, 01:02
Anyone know if Steve Olson has integrity ?

Wait a minute, maybe Bill already answered that question :o

YKFaH0zrqIE

"Published on Apr 25, 2016
Today we look at recent pictures of the magnetosphere, and the story is not good. Also check BPEARTHWATCH on that one. Images today give us some idea of position relative to the sun. Please, give you life to the Lord Jesus as soon as possible...

I need help guys, this thing is getting BIG: "

Bill Ryan
26th April 2016, 02:02
Anyone know if Steve Olson has integrity ?

Wait a minute, maybe Bill already answered that question :o


I don't doubt his integrity! I do doubt his science. :facepalm:

This time, I stopped listening after a minute and 15 seconds. (I timed it.)

It's nonsense. He has no clue about what he's trying to comment on. Stick to http://Suspicious0bservers.org and http://SpaceWeatherNews.com. (Not BPEarthwatch, by the way.)

Mutchie
26th April 2016, 02:21
I agree with BILL it sounds like Steve Olson hasnt got a clue... This topic never ends its FOREVER COMING but it NEVER ARRIVES

And now we have people posting all kinds of stuff they consider as PROOF its really FRUSTRATING to be honest !!!!

I myself have been lured in a few times and then your listening to peoples predictions

its all fear PORN .... if it were here we would know for SURE !!!!

justntime2learn
26th April 2016, 03:08
Anyone know if Steve Olson has integrity ?

Wait a minute, maybe Bill already answered that question :o


I don't doubt his integrity! I do doubt his science. :facepalm:

This time, I stopped listening after a minute and 15 seconds. (I timed it.)

It's nonsense. He has no clue about what he's trying to comment on. Stick to http://Suspicious0bservers.org and http://SpaceWeatherNews.com. (Not BPEarthwatch, by the way.)

15 seconds you'll never get back :sorry:

That cracked me up when you timed it :ROFL:

Steve Olson and BPEarth not so newsworthy ... check

Thank you Bill !

Nick Matkin
26th April 2016, 09:11
I watched the video in post 178, and yes, it's complete nonsense. But my question is why do people do this sort of thing? It takes time and effort to take real data and make a video presentation, then completely misinterpret that data.

Is it done deliberately and they just want to generate a following of the scientifically untrained who 'want to believe' in some cover-up, or do they genuinely believe this stuff?

The internet is littered with similar material. Who's doing it and why?

A great example is the HAARP status network (http://www.haarpstatusnetwork.com/). There's no mention of what these (suspiciously well-spaced) stations are measuring, what the 'Low' to 'High' scale is, what the map colours or wavelength M-Scale represent, how the data is collected, etc. etc. (I contacted the owner offering to install a station in my area to collect and send him the data if he told me what the data was. Unsurprisingly he didn't get back to me.)

This sort of (presumably) deliberate hocus-pocus is not doing anyone any good, but unfortunately people just lap this stuff up...

justntime2learn
28th April 2016, 22:05
I personally don't think we will be wiped out by Nibiru but wasn't it allegedly on a 3600 year elliptical orbit ?

Link:http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/hercolobus/esp_hercolobus_23.htm

"Partial Cyclical Records

3600 Years Ago:

In the July 15, 1999 paper published by the journal, Geophysical Research Letters, the Sahara desert's arid climate change occurred quickly and dramatically 4000 to 3600 years ago. A team of researchers headed by Martin Cluassen of Germany's Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact research analyzed computer models of climate over the past several thousand years.

They concluded that the change to today's desert climate in the Sahara was triggered by changes in the Earth's orbit and the tilt of Earth's axis. The switch in North Africa's climate and vegetation was abrupt. In the Sahara, "we find an abrupt decrease in vegetation from a green Sahara to a desert scrubland within a few hundred years" scientists reported.

No longer were grasses and other plants collecting water and releasing it back into the atmosphere; now sand baked in the stronger sun and rivers dried up. The scientists do not say what caused the change in the tilt of Earth's axis.

An unknown civilization with an alphabet that has yet to be deciphered lived in the Indus Valley (W. Pakistan). Around 1550 BC they disappeared.

In the twenty-ninth year of King Chieh [the last ruler of Hsia, the earliest recorded Chinese dynasty], the Sun was dimmed... King Chieh lacked virtue... the Sun was distressed... during the last years of Chieh ice formed in [summer] mornings and frosts in the sixth month [July]. Heavy rainfall toppled temples and buildings... Heaven gave severe orders. The Sun and Moon were untimely. Hot and cold weather arrived in disorder. The five cereal crops withered and died. Written during the reign of Emperor Qin c.1600 B.C.

Around 1500 BC a civilization arose on the banks of the Hwang Ho River in north central China.

The 1st dynasty of Babylon ended in 1595 BC.

In the Semitic culture, Hyksos was deposed in 1570 BC, and the Jewish exodus led by Moses happened shortly thereafter. This featured a river Nile filled with "blood" and water they could not drink.

The Cycladic settlement on the island of Thera was destroyed by a great volcanic eruption about 1600 BC.

Hittite internal strife caused great disorder and ended in 1525 BC with King Telipinu.

China gave birth to one of the earliest civilizations and has a recorded history that dates from some 3,500 years ago.

Pottery pieces found in Fiji suggest the islands were settled in the west from Melanesia at least 3,500 years ago.

Iron manufacturing originated about 3,500 years ago when iron ore was accidentally heated in the presence of charcoal.

The Tongon and Samoan islands were probably settled from Fiji about 3,500 years ago.

The Santorini eruption (about 1500 BC) was several times greater in scope than the 1883 Krakatoa eruption.

Research by W. A. Johnston of the Niagara River bed disclosed that the present channel was cut by the falls less than 4000 years ago. Careful study of the Bear River delta by Hanson showed the age of this delta was 3,600 years.

A study by Claude Jones of the Great Lakes showed that these lakes have existed only 3,500 years. This is confirmed by several geographic historical maps of Michigan available in Michigan libraries. Gales obtained the same result on Owen Lake in California. Van Winkle obtained the same result on Albert and Summer lakes in Oregon.

Radiocarbon analysis by Libby also indicates that plants associated with mastodons in Mexico are probably only about 3,500 years old. Similar conclusions concerning the late survival of the Pleistocene fauna were drawn by various field workers in many parts of the American continent.

From observations on beaches throughout the world, Daly concluded that there was a change in the ocean level, which dropped sixteen to twenty feet 3,500 years ago. Kuenen and others confirmed Daly’s findings with evidence derived from Europe.



7200 Years Ago:

According to Basil Davidson, author of Lost Cities of Africa, new types of humanity appeared in Africa around 5,000 BC

According to Ancient Europe by Stuart Pigget, stone using agricultural peasantry began in Europe near 5,000 BC

According to December 17, 1996 New York Times article titled Black Sea Deluge May Be Tied to Spread of Farming in Europe, an international team of geologists and oceanographers reconstructed the history of a catastrophic flood from data gathered by a Russian research ship in 1993.

Seismic soundings and sediment cores revealed traces of the sea's former shorelines, showing an abrupt 500-foot rise in water levels. Radiocarbon dating of the transition from fresh water to marine organisms in the cores put the time of the event at about 7,700 years ago (5,500 BC).

According to the September 10, 1996 issue of the Seattle Times: the research ship JOIDES (Joint Oceanographic Institutions for the Deep Earth Sampling) Resolution,
"could easily see the light colored ash deposited from the eruption of Oregon’s Mount Mazama 6,950 years ago.

That titanic eruption created Crater Lake and threw out at least 40 times as much magma as Mount St. Helens did in 1980 and serves as a useful marker to date mud layers.

JOIDES is a Hubble telescope for the ocean, the most advanced drilling vessel in the world".
It has 12 laboratories, more than 100 research computers and can drill in water up to 27,000 feet deep.
"The planet appears to operate in a quasi-stable mode and pops up to a new state,” said NSF’s Corell.

A giant wave flooded Scotland about 7,000 years ago, a scientist revealed on Friday. The tsunami left a trail of destruction along what is now the eastern coast of the country.

Scientists believe a landslide on the ocean floor off Storegga, southwest Norway, triggered the wave. Speaking at the British Association Festival of Science in Glasgow, Professor David Smith said a tsunami could strike again in the area but the probability was extremely unlikely.

Radiocarbon dating of sediments taken from the coastline of eastern Scotland put the date of the event at about 5,800 BC. At the time, Britain was joined to mainland Europe by a land bridge. Settlers at the time would have had little warning of the disaster, scientists believe. But a scattering of tools found in the sand at a hunting camp in Inverness yields some clues.

'Very destructive' "It looks as if those people were happily sitting in their camp when this wave from the sea hit the camp," Professor Smith of the department of Geography at Coventry University told BBC News Online.
"We're talking about two, three or four large waves followed by little ones, that would have been 5-10 meters high.

“These waves do strike with such force that they are very destructive," he added. "It's like being hit by an express train."
The research provides an opportunity to assess the hazard of tsunamis in more detail.

They occur frequently in the Pacific Ocean due to underwater earthquakes, landslides and volcanic explosions. Long, uncertain history Scientists hope to find more evidence of similar past tsunamis in eastern Scotland to predict the frequency of the destructive waves.

Studies of coastal sediments show that it may be possible to develop a record of past tsunamis extending back several millennia.

Dr Ted Nield, of the Geological Society of London, said:
"These events have a long and uncertain time scale. While there is no reason for mass panic, the possibility exists that the Storegga slide will go again, and it would be imprudent to ignore that fact."


10,800 Years Ago:

The discovery of a forest 11,000 years old buried intact in Michigan, with treetops poking through the sand, has raised alarm about the possible speed of global warming.

The five-acre forest of hundreds of spruce, just over ten miles from the shore of Lake Superior, was covered with sand and water when a nearby glacier melted at the end of the Ice Age.

What has shocked scientists is that analysis of the tree-rings shows that the climate warmed so rapidly that it left no mark on the normal growth of the trees before they were flooded.
"It's kind of scary. The conclusion, based on the tree rings, is that there was no real warning of the dramatic warming that caused the glacier to melt," Theodore Bornhorst, Professor of Geology at Michigan Technological University, said.

"The question today is whether we would get no warning of a real dramatic warming. What it says is that, in 50 years' time, we could have a dramatic shift in climate," he said. "If the ice cap started melting, sea levels would rise dramatically, with major problems for coastal cities."
The heyday of the woolly mammoth was the Pleistocene Epoch, stretching from 1.8 million years ago to the end of the last ice age 11,000 years ago.

Mammoths thrived particularly well in Siberia, where dry grasslands once stretched for hundreds of miles, supporting a vibrant ecosystem of mammoths, bison, and other jumbo herbivores. The mammoth fossils on Wrangel Island are the youngest that have ever been found.

It was there, apparently, that mammoths made their last stand. They died out only 3,800 years ago.

It had always been thought that the mammoth died out about ten thousand years ago, with the end of the ice age, but the tusk appeared to be 7,000 years old. It was so unlikely, so Buttanyan tested five more tusks, but the new dates pointed to an even more remarkable conclusion.

Hidden up here [Wrangel Island] in the Arctic, the mammoth hadn't just survived the end of the ice age; it was walking these hills at the time of the Egyptian Pharaohs, only 3500 years ago.

This discovery has led to the re-examination of the complex chain of 'cause and effect' that made mammoths die out everywhere else, and in the process has revitalized the whole debate about how species might avoid extinction.

onawah
29th April 2016, 01:25
TPTB hire people to spread nonsense on the internet, to obfuscate the facts about things they want to coverup.
They hire people to troll websites and disrupt communication. It's all part of the master plan for creating lots of confusion and Loosh.
If you want to make sense of some of what those HAARP stations are doing, I would suggest watching the Facebook page for "Dutchsinse", if you didn't already know about him.
He has it figured out to the point that he can predict weather very well, enough to get attacked and have his page and his videos taken down regularly.

I watched the video in post 178, and yes, it's complete nonsense. But my question is why do people do this sort of thing? It takes time and effort to take real data and make a video presentation, then completely misinterpret that data.

Is it done deliberately and they just want to generate a following of the scientifically untrained who 'want to believe' in some cover-up, or do they genuinely believe this stuff?

The internet is littered with similar material. Who's doing it and why?

A great example is the HAARP status network (http://www.haarpstatusnetwork.com/). There's no mention of what these (suspiciously well-spaced) stations are measuring, what the 'Low' to 'High' scale is, what the map colours or wavelength M-Scale represent, how the data is collected, etc. etc. (I contacted the owner offering to install a station in my area to collect and send him the data if he told me what the data was. Unsurprisingly he didn't get back to me.)

This sort of (presumably) deliberate hocus-pocus is not doing anyone any good, but unfortunately people just lap this stuff up...

giovonni
11th May 2016, 07:36
will share this here ...


Michael Armstrong: The ‘Culture Shock’ of Planetary Catastrophe | EU2015 talk



The two most prominent themes in Electric Universe research are the growing knowledge of the role played by the electric force in nature, from microcosm to macrocosm and the global impact of ancient planetary catastrophe on humankind, affecting every culture on earth. In this presentation, Michael Armstrong will review the broad spectrum of human and cultural effects that followed from solar system instability and episodic catastrophe. These effects include earth’s environment and ecology, physical changes in human biology, striking shifts in collective, cultural orientation, and a profound impact on human thought and behavior.

Michael Armstrong is an original member of the thunderbolts.info editorial staff and has a formal science background in chemistry. He has studied the catastrophism reconstruction model for over 40 years and has lectured on catastrophism material at an international conference sponsored by the province of Milano, Italy and hosted by the University of Milano/Bergamo. Michael is the producer of various related video material and publisher of the books Thunderbolts of the Gods, The Electric Sky, and The Electric Universe.[

JOIN US for the EU2016 Conference: https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2015/12/30/eu2016-home-page/

Published on May 10, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-A2JPQoTgQ

Nick Matkin
11th May 2016, 18:33
... He has it figured out to the point that he can predict weather very well, enough to get attacked and have his page and his videos taken down regularly...

In that case he could easily make a living being more accurate than conventional weather forecasters - with or without websites. But maybe it was conventional forecasters who saw him as a threat so got his sites closed.

Or perhaps his sites 'got taken down regularly' for more prosaic reasons...

After looking at the "Dutchsinse" facebook page (regarding the improbable HAARP Status Network (http://www.haarpstatusnetwork.com/) site) as you suggested, I still couldn't find any technical explanations for my questions about the maps. i.e. what are the 'longwave frequency magnitude readings', a description of what the M scale is measuring, what data the stations are collecting, what equipment they are using, how it is collected or how it is processed.

Sorry to be a technical nerd, but genuine sites collecting technical data have a page explaining all that stuff. Maybe I just missed it and someone could post me the link.

onawah
11th May 2016, 18:38
Not just conventional forecasters who don't like Dutch, but also black projects, since he shows the connection between HAARP and weather, etc.

najara12000
11th May 2016, 20:38
I did a search on PA for this person's YouTube name. Sorry if this has been posted before. Comments are welcome regarding what she filmed last September.

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Nick Matkin
11th May 2016, 21:35
Amazing - an object apparently as big as the moon, but missed by all the world's astronomers. Again!

How could that be? Was it there the next day?

Either it's a camera artefact and it was not visible to the naked eye (she does not say she can see it with the naked eye, maybe simply forgot to mention that) or if visible to others nearby, possibly a sun dog.

Haven't we had enough "I can video/photograph an astronomical object that no one else can see" posts here yet? Maybe new people joining the party but haven't read through the posts, particularly Bill's posts on this dead-but-won't-lie-down subject.

transiten
11th May 2016, 21:36
This email I had from David Wilcock on jan 12 2008 before he got to too busy.

"The planet X is fraudulent. It's akin to saying you could move a car in neutral with a refrigerator magnet. The Sun contains 99.86% of all the mass in the solar system. That means that all the planets, moons, asteroids, comets, dust and gas only make up 0.14%. Even if there IS a planet out there, and there might be, it would fall under the beat-resonance harmonics of the Sun and therefore not be able to intersect with the other orbits. Furthermore, it's mass could never exceed 0.05% of the Sun.

Tosay this could have any effect on our Sun is like saying I could affect the trajectory ofa cruise ship by throwing a pebbel at it as it heeds out to sea.

What we're dealing with is galactic energy fields. It'snever been about a single planet. I've written about this on my site before and apparently it's time to do so qgain, as unfortunately many of the Planet Xpple have stolen research on interplanetary climate change and try to use it to justify their hypothesis."

So now as Mercury is going retrograde it seems like it's time to post this again. By the way I was looking at Mercury passing the Sun from the observatory in Gothenburg. There are place for 1 million earthes in the :sun:

araucaria
12th May 2016, 07:21
This email I had from David Wilcock on jan 12 2008 before he got to too busy.

"The planet X is fraudulent. It's akin to saying you could move a car in neutral with a refrigerator magnet. The Sun contains 99.86% of all the mass in the solar system. That means that all the planets, moons, asteroids, comets, dust and gas only make up 0.14%. Even if there IS a planet out there, and there might be, it would fall under the beat-resonance harmonics of the Sun and therefore not be able to intersect with the other orbits. Furthermore, it's mass could never exceed 0.05% of the Sun.

Tosay this could have any effect on our Sun is like saying I could affect the trajectory ofa cruise ship by throwing a pebbel at it as it heeds out to sea.

What we're dealing with is galactic energy fields. It'snever been about a single planet. I've written about this on my site before and apparently it's time to do so qgain, as unfortunately many of the Planet Xpple have stolen research on interplanetary climate change and try to use it to justify their hypothesis."

David Wilcock was never any good with numbers. “The Sun contains 99.86% of all the mass in the solar system.” No, the Sun contains 99.86% of all the known mass in the solar system. That figure is not carved in stone, it is a calculation and it can change. It is not like counting water molecules and multiplying by two to work out how many hydrogen atoms you have. No one is trying to move a car with a refrigerator magnet. Planet X would be just one more refrigerator magnet, a biggish one that is moving our known “refrigerator magnets”, i.e. disturbing planetary orbits ever so slightly.

But actually the analogy is highly inaccurate. A small car weighs just over a ton, say 2500 pounds. Jupiter’s mass is roughly 1/1000th of the Sun’s. That makes Jupiter a two and a half pound fridge magnet – over a kilogram! You still won’t shift a car with that, but again, no one is talking about moving the Sun, just a tiny increase in solar activity.

However, my earlier point was that seeing the Sun as part of a binary system is a whole different way of looking at the situation. Your “car” is out in the traffic among other cars, but it may also be towing a trailer; if so, you might have a more difficult drive, but you are not going to crash into your own trailer. To say galactic energy fields cause interplanetary climate change is all very well, but at some stage the rubber has to hit the road, meaning that the supposedly immaterial has to materialize. “Energy fields” and “climate” are immaterial notions taking place in the physical context of “galactic” and “interplanetary” space. Exactly how dense the cause – ranging from a huge rock to a gas giant to a dust cloud – it has a material aspect that cannot be swept under the carpet, any more than it should generate widespread fear. So if anyone is trying to move a car with a fridge magnet, it is David Wilcock.

transiten
12th May 2016, 11:53
araucaria I'm in no position to evaluate either David's claims or yours but I'm sure he doesn't mean it's possible to "move a car with a refrigerator magnet" to my understanding he means exactly the opposite that it's not possible...or is my understanding of english that lousy???

Bill Ryan
12th May 2016, 12:32
araucaria I'm in no position to evaluate either David's claims or yours but I'm sure he doesn't mean it's possible to "move a car with a refrigerator magnet" to my understanding he means exactly the opposite that it's not possible...or is my understanding of english that lousy???

David meant it was NOT possible to move a car with a refrigerator magnet (of course), and therefore, by analogy, a relatively tiny object couldn't have an effect on our huge and massive sun.

araucaria/John was pointing out that we have no idea how tiny the 'refrigerator magnet' actually is. It might be very large indeed.

araucaria
12th May 2016, 13:06
araucaria I'm in no position to evaluate either David's claims or yours but I'm sure he doesn't mean it's possible to "move a car with a refrigerator magnet" to my understanding he means exactly the opposite that it's not possible...or is my understanding of english that lousy???

David meant it was NOT possible to move a car with a refrigerator magnet (of course), and therefore, by analogy, a relatively tiny object couldn't have an effect on our huge and massive sun.

araucaria/John was pointing out that we have no idea how tiny the 'refrigerator magnet' actually is. It might be very large indeed.
This is correct. For further clarification, what I meant by David’s refrigerator magnet was an energy field with little or no corresponding physical manifestation, be it in the shape of a dust cloud, planet, brown dwarf or whatever. Spiritual energy can produce spiritual effects, physical energy produces physical effects. But generally speaking, I would not expect to find spiritual energy directly producing physical effects without an intermediate physical energy source. This is the difference between miracles simply happening and people incarnating to get things done: miracles do happen but only because work is being done behind the scenes. Conversely, this is also how physical energy produces spiritual effects, through the physical effects of benevolent behaviour.

Reidun
19th May 2016, 13:58
Thank you so much for sharing this information giovanni :)

CurEus
26th July 2016, 15:48
Mr Thornhill concludes (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88839-Nibiru-Will-Pass-Earth-Before-November-2017-The-Evidence-w-Investigator-David-Meade&p=1062788&viewfull=1#post1062788) that " planet 9/x" at the proposed distance from the sun would very likely be a brown dwarf and not an actual planet...producing high amounts of infrared radiation detectable with extant orbiting instruments. His observations are indicative of what many have postulated in regular cosmology ( as opposed to electric universe models) ...interesting to say the least

giovonni
26th July 2016, 16:54
Mr Thornhill concludes (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88839-Nibiru-Will-Pass-Earth-Before-November-2017-The-Evidence-w-Investigator-David-Meade&p=1062788&viewfull=1#post1062788) that " planet 9/x" at the proposed distance from the sun would very likely be a brown dwarf and not an actual planet...producing high amounts of infrared radiation detectable with extant orbiting instruments. His observations are indicative of what many have postulated in regular cosmology ( as opposed to electric universe models) ...interesting to say the least

Yes very interesting indeed, though i don't sense any contradictions to the Electric Universe theory ...
While still personally believing all matter has an electrical cosmic connection ...
I would imagine eventually all Cosmology will find a common ground.

Frenchy
26th July 2016, 18:33
I personally don't think we will be wiped out by Nibiru but wasn't it allegedly on a 3600 year elliptical orbit ?



Hi,
back on Niburu again ! post, I mentioned some aspects , which might be relevant and of passing interest ? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80915-Nibiru-Again&p=951376&viewfull=1#post951376

bluestflame
29th August 2016, 12:27
not sure if this has been posted , first time i've seen it , seemed to join a lot of dots for me ( is about nibiru )

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Nick Matkin
29th August 2016, 16:52
not sure if this has been posted , first time i've seen it , seemed to join a lot of dots for me ( is about nibiru )

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A lot of words, but no names named. No evidence presented. I can't believe something that he claims is being so widely planned for has no significant paper trail that he could show us.

Any one of us could have written and presented that...

Edit: I stand corrected - he's quoting from the Bible. So there we have it.

Sueanne47
29th August 2016, 23:38
Bluestflame posted this video on a thread about Niberu, this video is VERY VERY FRIGHTENING! as a lot of America will be underwater..that's why so many veterans of the police and navy veterans are now moving to Missouri, as its the safest place to go. He doesnt mention what will happen to the rest of the world. :( Its not fake, its not scaremongering, its REAL.

This guy talks about the Gulf Stream slowing down because of the salt content (salinity) lowering because of the freshwater melting, Tsunami's, earthquakes, rising sea levels.

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Sueanne47
29th August 2016, 23:44
Even though he's just lecturing, he seems pretty convincing.

Sueanne47
30th August 2016, 00:10
??????? but Herve, it said important information about the sea and water levels. :(

Hervé
30th August 2016, 01:15
It may say something about sea levels, etc... however, the thread the above have been moved from is about a "Global Warming" that's not happening, far from it!

bluestflame
30th August 2016, 01:17
was a mention in the vid about the global warming hoax used as a cover story

bluestflame
30th August 2016, 01:41
ok found another one on nibiru lot of things i'd considered , lot i hadn't ( this also mentions something i've had a theory on for some time the planets core is warming ) Lzk81C3iR7E

onawah
30th August 2016, 16:48
Newly found Alien object beyond Neptune has researchers baffled

I have no idea if this is a credible source, but for what it's worth..
https://niume.com/pages/post/?postID=81994
8/11/16



Unlike other objects in our solar system, this one circles our Sun in a retrograde or backward orbit and does so on a plane that’s tilted 110 degrees to the plane of the solar system. In other words, it is strange as it gets.


The object could be a planet sized spaceship.

There is a strange object located beyond the orbit of Neptune which has researchers incredibly confused. It’s strange orbit, and rebel behaviour has alerted specialists which are still unable to explain what the object is.

“I hope everyone has buckled their seatbelts because the outer solar system just got a lot weirder,” said Michele Bannister, an astronomer at Queens University, Belfast via twitter.

New Scientist explains that among its oddities, researchers stress that the mystery object moves upward, about 110 degrees relative to the plane of the solar system. In addition to that, the object is believed to swing back around the sun, unlike most bodies of our solar system.

Interestingly, the object is located some 160,000 further away than Neptune, and every time it passes through our solar system it moves further upwards. As researchers explain, one of the main characteristics of the planetary system is that it orbits in a flat plane, so to understand how rebellious this new object is, we just enough to look at its inclination of 110 degrees.

Experts have nicknamed the object ‘Niku’, after the Chinese adjective for rebellious.

In other words, objects in our solar system that do not orbit within our planetary systems plane, or orbit in the opposite direction as all other bodies in the solar system must have been ‘knocked off course’ by something else.

Matthew Holman at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, and one of the researchers who helped find Niku said:

“It suggests that there is more going on in the outer parts of the solar system than what we are fully aware of.”

And because of its many mysteries, the unknown excites astronomers.

“Whenever there is a feature that you are not able to explain in the outer solar system, it is immensely exciting because it is some sense foreshadowing a new development,” said Konstantin Batygin at the California Institute of Technology, one of the main researchers who proposed the existence of a massive planet, ten times the mass of Earth, orbiting our sun beyond the orbit of Pluto.

Researchers believe that the newly discovered object is part of a group of objects orbiting in a highly inclined plane, which experts tested if the new object could be influenced by the gravitational pull of alleged planet nine.

However, experts concluded that ‘Niku’ is located far too close to our solar system to be within the alleged world’s sphere of influence, which is why the object is considered as excitingly strange, and which is why researchers need to look for another explanation that satisfies their criteria.

Sources: http://www.ancient-code.com - NASA - Caltech

Sammy
30th August 2016, 17:05
interesting point of view, but it is not part of my reality. The earth I presently reside on will not be shifting poles.

hmm ...

Interesting that - if it's not in your reality/mind then why bother view/posting ...

Perhaps your not quite so sure yet?

Perhaps because seah is reinforcing the idea, sharing that concept with others such that the more others chose the same, the odds are reduced that the fear porn manifests.

Is that a good reason?

greybeard
30th August 2016, 17:37
Bluestflame posted this video on a thread about Niberu, this video is VERY VERY FRIGHTENING! as a lot of America will be underwater..that's why so many veterans of the police and navy veterans are now moving to Missouri, as its the safest place to go. He doesnt mention what will happen to the rest of the world. :( Its not fake, its not scaremongering, its REAL.

This guy talks about the Gulf Stream slowing down because of the salt content (salinity) lowering because of the freshwater melting, Tsunami's, earthquakes, rising sea levels.

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Sue with respect.
I fell out of my cradle believing this stuff.
Many years ago this man who.s name I cant remember (found on link below) had a very convincing story of beings coming to him when he was in hospital and giving him a future map of the world showing a lot of USA and other countries under water--not much of the UK survived.
Found his name Gordon Michael Scallion
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=future+map+of+the+world+gordon+michael+sc allion&client=ubuntu&hs=zs9&sa=X&channel=fs&biw=1301&bih=671&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ved=0ahUKEwj19_ut1enOAhWkAsAKHVyyBfUQsAQIIg

Anyway he was specific as to the indicators pre inundation---well guess what --they all happened but no global flood.
These stories surface from time to time with credible evidence but no result--as yet---its a may be so--tomorrow or in a 100 years time---place your bets now.

Nothing to fear but fear sueanne.

Love
Chris

Sueanne47
30th August 2016, 18:17
You always make me feel better Chris! :heart: my hubby was painting the upstairs hall yesterday, he said "why should I bother doing anymore painting when we'll all gonna be gone by next year" the man in the video was so convincing as though its going to be like the 2012 film. We are bombarded with a diet of doom & gloom, okay I'd like the earth to be cleansed..but not this way.

I'm trying to remain ****P O S I T I V E!*****

greybeard
30th August 2016, 18:26
Im glad you feel better Sueanne
Its just Ive been there on more than one occasion and shared here on Avalon in good faith--I also told friends and neighbors along the way that perhaps it would be a good idea to have extra food in.etc--without going into detail of why I was concerned.
It was as well I did not say why, as friends and neighbors are still talking to me without taking the micky.

So everything similar is now treated with "May be so" And I sincerely hope not.

Much love
Chris

Sueanne47
30th August 2016, 18:52
Bob Dean said "get rid of the fear, you have nothing to fear, you are an immortal timeless being, you have an infinate future in a glorious universe. Dont be afraid for god's sake, gather around those you love and spread that love around and go into tomorrow with courage, because you've been through a helluva lot worse before."

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pyrangello
31st August 2016, 13:36
Well I've been reading about the underground bases for a while, never did buy the idea of nuclear war, that's because people that are in charge want to stay in charge and continue to live their lifestyle. However this passing body creates a entirely new twist to that doesn't it. So just from an observation , my take of the last few months,
1) lots more trailing lights in the sky at night like meteors
2) all the weird humming around the world with our planet
3) plants and flowers blooming 2-3 months later than normal
4) when you go outside at night to look at the stars it seems like they are in a different place sometimes, don't they, maybe the wobble?
5) Hail storms, tons of them here in the US
6) 1000 year old floods on the east coast of the US and Louisiana, not to mention Europe and china
7) Currently 5 hurricanes here in the US in the gulf and Hawaii, they said this morning this has never happened before
8) This summer the jet stream fell below the equator for the first time ever, never happened before
9)Then last winter record heat here in the US in December and the year before that record cold, here where I live I had a bluejay bird freeze right on the tree that winter.
10) Then there's all the earthquake drills going on new Madrid, California, cascadia subduction zone. Scheduled events being moved up by fema.
11) In the last 2 months all the announcements of new stars, planets, ect entering our solar system by NASA, really ? Now its time to tell us, well if it was a cover your axx -we didn't know thing, we aren't responsible ect ect, sure i can see them announcing things in a suttle way to so called wash their hands of them knowing for a very long time. And then theirs a side of me thinking if it was me I would do the same thing .Telling people to move off the coasts , 1/2 would laugh, and most others wouldn't care. Keep things in tact as long as possible just until. Heck even our fearless leader Bill Ryan moved to Ecuador and god bless you sir for everything you have done on this site for all of us, Kerry Cassidy to. No matter what happens or whats announced, we need to stay on our path of why we choose to be here during this time, follow your intuitive side and certainly not fear based either. Make sure your spiritual house is in order and continue the walk forward enjoying everyday as it was. I don't know if this is going to happen, but on a connect the dots view,my take and after watching that presentation of a well grounded based individual that isn't selling any books or videos , just presenting, It just connected some more for me.

And to comment on Bob Deans perspective, Love is the greatest gift we have to share and receive. Walking with that energy of love is a powerful feeling that know one can take away from you as long as you believe ! :)

pyrangello
31st August 2016, 19:20
I want to add something else to this thread, for me a small business owner and a person who likes creating products and looking forward to the future, Is all of this hard to process? Your darn right its a tough thing to even consider happening. Just as my one welder just said out in the shop, his cucumbers are just now starting to vine out as they haven't known what to do this summer. Things are out of balance for sure. Mother earth is adjusting and were here for the ride. As concerned citizens of the earth as we all are on this site, you were also brought here whether you are a member of the Avalon family for imput or a person seeking some answers from around the world. There is a reason why you are here, its because your suppose to be here. Fear doesn't exist on this forum , only opinions , solutions, suggestions and alternative thoughts. Know matter where you are at in the world reading this WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER as one !


Now knowing what I know and assuming some places are not going to make it should this event happen, like where my parents live. Do I tell them to move? Do I convey my thoughts ? Or do I just call them more and tell them more how much I love them and to enjoy everyday and let them not be concerned with this at all. I think that is what I will do as I am searching for answers and they are enjoying retirement. Live Love and smile, But for all who have just read this and researched thread and others by being here , you are not alone, as of yesterday on YouTube that video with the mountain entrance in the beginning was at 200,000 viewed in 6 days , since my post yesterday another 6000 have watched it as well. So just so you all know , you are not crazy to have an open mind and to search for the truth, you my friend are actually ahead of the curve on all levels and are so important should anything take place.:handshake:

pyrangello
1st September 2016, 14:55
So heres a response from a friend of mine who i respect very very much . This person knows nothing of this subject.

I can't help wonder if it's a space station of sorts, I have heard some say it's suppose to be ancestors coming back and just it's magnet presences effects the planet and us like the moon does. My gut tells me it's a good thing yes it brings changes but we are in need of changes before mother earth is damaged anymore plus a lot of humans could use a big attitude adjustment

While I was watching the video I couldn't help but think that our God would not allow for these people the government money hoarding corporation and other selfish people to be the ones to be unharmed if such a thing was to happen, what if the information they are receiving is wrong what if they are being given info to be their demise, there end. Myself I do not fear death. If this happens and my loved ones and myself survive I believe I will be fully protected and provided for. My angels are awesome and powerful!

So this opinion is the spectrum from another angle, so digest it as you may . This may or may not take place, sure does seem like something is going on though, til then full speed ahead in life til any road bumps start. I welcome all criticism and support. FYI another 10,000 views since yesterday of that video, being educated is a good thing .

chanda
13th September 2016, 03:33
Take a look at Steve Olson' channel.2dqXmDH12uw

ghostrider
13th September 2016, 15:42
I believe Nibiru is a comet as the watchers and their prophet have said , and it will not impact the earth ... As always people are free to follow their own instincts ...