Trump ... dead man walking

[Calz]

http://subversify.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/89-63_tank_man_-_web.jpg

Hard to tell where this is going ... but consider:

1) Calling out the Bush administration for not only the Saudi 9/11 connections but also the stand down.

2) Releasing the 28 page 9/11 Commission report if elected.

3) Prosecute Hillary if elected.

4) Audit the Fed if elected.

5) Standoff with Pope

6) Walling off country

7) No muslim immigration until "we figure out what is going on".

8) Many many (many) death threats on twitter.


off the top of my head ...


His popularity stems from honesty, flipping off political correctness and most of all bucking the system we all are so very sick of.


Another year before he would take office *if* elected and he already has more enemies than JFK.


For his sake one would hope he has some sort of supernatural protection.


Hard to say what would happen if he ever made it that far ... couldn't be any worse than Hillary???


... but is simply my opinion while we still have a glimmer of free speech ...

[TargeT]

Nothing could be worse than another Bush or Clinton in office... well maybe a Rockefeller or Rothschild (though that's basically the same thing)....

[zen deik]

That needed to be said... Lol...

[greybeard]

I think you are looking at Trump as the future President.
He is saying what a lot of people are thinking and perhaps afraid of saying--not politically correct so to speak.

chris

[Calz]

I think you are looking at Trump as the future President.
He is saying what a lot of people are thinking and perhaps afraid of saying--not politically correct so to speak.

chris

chris ... in all your years of wisdom ... did you ever see a time when speaking the words "mother or father" would be attempted to be banned from society?

[East Sun]

I have to say Donald has guts and he does not pull his punches, He's just what we need as President.

To me the rest are just typical politicians and we've had enough of them............

[Calz]

The military seems to be on board ... albeit the watered down leadership that has been gutted by the globalists.

Seems we are coming to the time to decide ...

[greybeard]

I think you are looking at Trump as the future President.
He is saying what a lot of people are thinking and perhaps afraid of saying--not politically correct so to speak.

chris

chris ... in all your years of wisdom ... did you ever see a time when speaking the words "mother or father" would be attempted to be banned from society?

Dont know about wisdom Calz---I did not know that had become an issue---please enlighten me.
Political correctness is very limiting.

Best wishes
Chris

[Calz]

I think you are looking at Trump as the future President.
He is saying what a lot of people are thinking and perhaps afraid of saying--not politically correct so to speak.

chris

chris ... in all your years of wisdom ... did you ever see a time when speaking the words "mother or father" would be attempted to be banned from society?

Dont know about wisdom Calz---I did not know that had become an issue---please enlighten me.
Political correctness is very limiting.

Best wishes
Chris

Chris you are wise as anyone here on the forum.

Political correctness is nonsense.

Because of my deep respect for your opinion ... I simply wondered if the current state of humanity was something you could understand or agree with.

That's all.

[onawah]

The only thing I have against Sanders at this point is that he is pro-vaccine, but I think he might be open-minded enough to change his mind on that.
I think he is getting far more support than the mainstream media is reporting and has a good chance of getting elected, especially if the dirt on Hillary keeps on being revealed, and if she keeps on with her dirty campaign tactics.
Trump looks like an ego-maniac full of bluster to me, and I doubt very much that he cares for the needs of the average citizen (he's anti-union and pays his employees less than his competitors), whereas I think Sanders does care, judging from his record.
Not that it probably makes a lot of difference at this point who gets elected because they are all being controlled, as we know, but I think Sanders could inspire enough people to have a grass roots kind of uprising if he gets elected, and that might actually change things.

[greybeard]

Claz the serenity prayer keeps me guided and balanced.

"God grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
Wisdom to know the difference."

I understand to a limited degree the state of the world--not what I would choose.
However I have great faith in human nature.
People dig deep when disasters occur to support the victims.
They rise to the occasion
Everyone does as best they can in any and every situation, large and small--personal and otherwise.
So may opportunities for personal growth--to help or just forgive.
Basically If people knew better they would do better.

I dont have an opinion on Trump as a candidate but can see why he would possibly be elected.

So there you go Claz

Best wishes
Chris

[Calz]

Not at all the direction I expected from this thread so I will let it die.

Politics ... eh ...

[greybeard]

Calz sorry I misspelled your name yet again as pointed out to me by a friend.
I plead dyslexic.
Regarding the thread dont give up on it--a good opening post, many relevant points.
Yes assassination can happen to those who go against the "system"

Best wishes
Chris

[TargeT]

Yes assassination can happen to those who go against the "system"


Hard to believe he's going against the system when he gets that much air time.

[Calz]

Calz sorry I misspelled your name yet again as pointed out to me by a friend.
I plead dyslexic.
Regarding the thread dont give up on it--a good opening post, many relevant points.
Yes assassination can happen to those who go against the "system"

Best wishes
Chris

Chris you have misspelled my name for years and never once has it bothered me in the least.

I love you man :)


I fear for our diminishing lack of being able to speak freely ... and it is starting to get bad.


Don't speak up in Europe about ... things ... else you may end up getting arrested.


In amerika ... free speech still exists but likely not for long.


There is a battle going on.


It is for the world really ... the final battle line.


Trump is bringing it ... for better or worse.


He has my deepest respect for his courage ... really amazing ...

[Mark]

Make America great again? Again? When was it greater than it is now? More open? More accepting? Y'all wanna close the doors? Shut it to the rest of the world, or just a select few? It seems I will have to diverge from some of my friends here at PA on this issue. One thing I will say for Trump: if he becomes President, we will see all of the things that many in the Alt Community have been hoping for.

http://www.vocativ.com/news/206807/white-supremacists-and-nazis-for-trump/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/donald-trump-white-supremacists-new-hampshire/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/21/how-donald-trump-is-breathing-life-into-americas-dying-white-supremacist-movement/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-white-supremacists_us_55dce43ee4b08cd3359dc41a

https://news.vice.com/article/white-supremacists-are-loving-donald-trumps-presidential-campaign

The unconscious fear of a multiracial nation is scaring so many otherwise reasonable people. The fear that white supremacy will end, and that the playing field will be even is manifesting even as we speak. It is a lack of vision, rather than an excess of it, that makes people want to look backwards and return to the way things were, rather than forward and the way things should be.

[DeDukshyn]

The "controllers" would like nothing more than to have us create a "false hope" for a very defined period of time. Keep this in mind. A false hope is better than choosing between the "evils", because it buys a far greater amount of time, while people wait and "hope" for the better.

I'll be watching Trump with great entertained interest, but I am reminded of what "we" expected of Obama, and how that ultimately turned out ...


I am reminded of lyric from a Nahko Bear song: "... the time base prophesies, they kept me from living ..." -- we "hope" that "someday", "someone" will come and fix the system. Ultimately, I can't put too much faith in Trump. We need grassroots change from the bottom up, and leaders willing to incite that; unfortunately Trump's style is dividing many at that level. Top down change, even at best, is almost doomed to fail, due to the structures that the elite have built into everything.

My 2 cents. Sorry for raining on your thread Calz ;)

[zen deik]

Politics is a Scandinavian word for smoke and mirrors I do believe....

[Kryztian]

The PTB (Powers that Be) control the media, and from the excessive amount of media coverage Trump is getting, it's clear that they love him, that they want him out there, that his campaign helps their agenda. Yes, he is saying some things that threaten them, as you mention above, but also, he is doing many of the things they want. He talks about going into Middle Eastern countries and "taking the oil." - I am sure the Rockefellers and friends would be glad to help facilitate that process for the usual fee. He is encouraging paranoia and hatred, racial division, and just lowering the bar for how human beings talk about each other and make it acceptable to degrade people based on race and religion. Along with his Muslim paranoia, he is calling for an increased surveillance state and you can be assured that when that is finally implemented it will be implemented on everyone. There is much that the PTB don't like about his agenda, but there is also much that they do and his talking about it helps them.

And while I think the PTB have a plan for Trump in the election, I don't think they will allow him to make it to the White House. He is a loose cannon and is not the obedient lap dog they could expect as many of the other candidates are. They do have a plan to take him out. I am sure they have a file on Trump, perhaps containing info on criminal financial schemes or sex with underage prostitutes, perhaps something else, perhaps a little more trivial, but still something which will allow CNN news commentators many hours of talking points (so they can avoid talking about all the imperialist wars, the bank thefts, the take over of the world by GMO and big Pharma). When this happens, they will probably also start talking about his adulterous affairs and what kind of Christian he really is, or talk about the bankruptcies he filed and the hard working American who never got paid - the talking points are being typed up now by the overlords and will be released to their media servants when the time comes, probably when Hillary (a PTB darling) wins the Democratic nomination.

What Sarah Palin was in 2008 Trump is in 2016. He increases the emotionalism of the populace, getting people to "say what they think" including racist bigoted rants and getting others to respond with shocked moral indignation, thus creating an American circus where no one talks about the national surveillance state, the degradation of health and environment by Big Pharma and GMO agriculture, and the theft of American wealth

All of the U.S. candidates for President are really just like Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant at a WWF wrestling match. They make a great spectator sport that keeps us all distracted while our attention is diverted from what is really going on.

[Calz]

To be clear ... I respect Trump for his honesty and courage.

Don't necessarily agree with all he suggests ... but again ... it beats the system that has been foisted upon us for how many years?

Foisted upon the world for how many years???

[DeDukshyn]

Also consider that the (at least one of the) plan(s) for instigating WWIII is to divide east / west, Christian / Muslim, and create fear and fighting between these groups which will create the "demand" for more fighting, and eventually war. Is Donald helping, or hurting on that front? To follow up on my last post, I hope we aren't being swayed into a false sense of hope and security, and vote Donald in, only to find out that whether knowingly or not, his main "purpose" for being in power in the elite's eyes, may be drive that wedge further between the two groups. In reality, the president of the USA doesn't have a whole lot of power to battle these elite groups.

Don't forget the Elite don't do much, are not very creative, but use any and all situations and people to their advantage, wherever possible, with or without their "victim's" buy-in / knowledge.

Another cent's worth.

UPDATE


...
Don't necessarily agree with all he suggests ... but again ... it beats the system that has been foisted upon us for how many years?
...

Might the same system be producing different optics / wearing a different mask ... how to tell the difference?

[Baby Steps]

i think people don't grasp where we are
currently we are in a system of lies, secret deals, corruption etc that depends on the complicity of all arms of society - at the top.
we dont need a campaigner or truther. Just someone who WILL NOT play along with the game.

i said elsewhere that truth is like a wedge, if you spy a 'thin end' dont be complaining that its not thick enough.

mr T has a very very shrewd appreciation of what truths the mass consciousness are currently down with, and what they are not (yet).
he also has a very shrewd feel for the policy areas where he can appear strong and in tune with the common man, and still differentiate himself from the establishment candidates.

i think he knows that disclosing those 28 pages will start an un stoppable process in the minds of people. it will start with Saudi being disgraced publicly. they might dump the petro dollar, and start selling in Euros. the dollar may go down , but not catastrophically. Only to a point where usa exports are revitalised, jobs boom, and trade heads back to balance.

i think that Israel will suffer, and the war projects will be called off. yes, there will be rejoicing.

because the man is so powerful, he might pull it off. And that would be the last thing tptb would ever want. So yes, he's in danger, I hope hes got the best security.

We all know that the left right thing is a trap. if the usa public is minded to turn right after the current administration, we have a non evil candidate.

if Sanders succeeds , he is the same, in that he is non establishment and anti war. Imagine if they both got nominated. That would be the greatest evidence of a mass awakening yet!

[TigaHawk]

I may be slightly pesamistic but i think you are all being fooled.

It is a game of ping pong. The sides have been split in two as that has been working for a very long time. They know we are starting to see through the smoke and mirrors in greater and greater numbers - so now they are creating a third choice to keep you distracted and playing the same game.

Trump is speaking for this third group - saying things that he knows we want to hear. Promising the same.

Remember Ron Paul. He was a genuine threat. He is also most likely what has spurred the use of Trump in politics.

The media blackouts and hush hush of as much of what Ron Paul was doing as possible was a good indication he was working against TPTB.

Trump however is getting all the media time and advertisement you could ask for to parade / advertise yourself and your cause.

Don't fall for it. Do not allow yourself to be distracted and believe anything at all good will come of this. The entire system needs to be scrapped and recreated. Participating in the system - even worse believing that the current political system has any hope of fixing things is pure delusion and you are willingly making yourself ignorant to the reality of the situation.

[Rex]

...flipping off political correctness and most of all bucking the system we all are so very sick of.

Another year before he would take office *if* elected and he already has more enemies than JFK...

That's the part I'm enjoying, how he talks to these self-entitled "little boys in short trousers". Can't wait until he gives a piece of his mind to the "little girl in the short skirt". If he gets that far.

He's definitely got a target on his back and forehead. If the dirty tricks don't work, it seems like a question of when and not if. The Bushes have to super pissed at this point; do they let him get the nomination? There's nothing stopping him at this point.

[Bubu]

couldn't care about politicians and governments. I hope they all disappear from the face of earth. Earth would be a lot better without them I am sure.

[Foxie Loxie]

Good one! Spectator Sport!! That's why I do not waste time watching it all!

[Ioneo]

Didn't people say the same things about Obama in 2008? 'Yes we can!' He was going to change all the things that people wanted changed.

How many promises did he keep?

It is all a game show to divert the masses from what's really happening.

Getting back to the topic, watching what Trump has been saying, I have had the same feelings that he may be bumped off even before the election.

[Bluegreen]

Trump's running mates narrow down ...
Shaggy or Scooby Doo?

:wof:

[onawah]

Sanders stands out for me because he is from Vermont (people seem to have good common sense there), and because his public record is pretty clean and straightforward.
He doesn't come from any kind of Illuminati family and he is clearly not on the take from Wall Street.
I think he actually is a pretty decent, good-hearted man, and it's been awhile since we had one of those in office.
I think Obama made a good performance of being that, but even a lot of fairly realistic people ended up being disillusioned by him, and I think Trump would be more of the same, but even worse, since he is not a kind or compassionate man.
All politicians are going to have to answer to the puppet masters, but I think Sanders would help restore some morale and dignity to the citizenry and to our reputation abroad, and would inspire grass roots movements to keep plugging away at their chosen causes. .
Which will probably continue to make at least some difference; though grass roots movements takes a lot of time and effort on the part of a lot of people, but as more people are waking up and speaking out, it may be our best hope on the political scene, at least.

[waves]

Any conversation about this election is moot without knowing who controls the electronic voting machines.

Any discussion about the candidates should begin after answering that question or you're being the fool-play-alongs the voting machine controllers want you to be because they know the game is already over.

Right now before anything else the discussion spotlight should be burning brightly on the voting machines and forcing some sort of transparency.

Without this the already planned hell, war and draconia with Hillary was set in stone years ago like all the other voting machine presidents.

[East Sun]

Absolutely right, 'waves'.

Take the 'voting machines' out of the equation so the crooks can't fool us again.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Shannon]

The only thing I have against Sanders at this point is that he is pro-vaccine, but I think he might be open-minded enough to change his mind on that.
I think he is getting far more support than the mainstream media is reporting and has a good chance of getting elected, especially if the dirt on Hillary keeps on being revealed, and if she keeps on with her dirty campaign tactics.
Trump looks like an ego-maniac full of bluster to me, and I doubt very much that he cares for the needs of the average citizen (he's anti-union and pays his employees less than his competitors), whereas I think Sanders does care, judging from his record.
Not that it probably makes a lot of difference at this point who gets elected because they are all being controlled, as we know, but I think Sanders could inspire enough people to have a grass roots kind of uprising if he gets elected, and that might actually change things.

I feel similar.

Is trump pro or anti Union? That's important to a lot of peeps I know.

[Shannon]

couldn't care about politicians and governments. I hope they all disappear from the face of earth. Earth would be a lot better without them I am sure.

I understand, but I'd be out of a husband! Lol. There's good and bad everything.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Absolutely right, 'waves'.

Take the 'voting machines' out of the equation so the crooks can't fool us again.

If we can bank online then we can vote online.
Get rid of the electoral vote process and use the popular vote.
The software used to count votes must be open source, tested and inspected. No proprietary software allowed.

[Kindred]

IMO, Humanity will only progress when the majority recognize that there is no need for 'rulers'...
And that All Others are but another aspect of themselves and are thus physical Representations of the LOVE that IS the 'all that is'.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Arcturian108]

I agree that the media wouldn't be giving Trump so much air time if they didn't want him in the race. His presence does legitimatize the electoral system which we know is corrupt. I can readily see him getting elected, however, especially if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination. There will be a lot of crossover votes then.

What we need to enjoy for now though, is his putting a stop to the Bush dynasty, and his reviving the taboo 9/11 debate. If we can't get the truth out on that one, then we really will become enslaved. I don't want to hear though, that Rudy Giuliani is advising him - one of the 9/11 perps. Yuk!

See this video to get a clearer image of the Donald:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8c2Cq-vpg

[Lost N Found]

Okay so much talk about another member of the bread and circus, another billionaire running for some trumped up (no pun intended) office that does absolutely nothing for the sheeple except make them feel good while the big one gets stuck up the back side. Now I just want to play a different tune here.

Please check out history if anyone cares to. Germany late 20's and 30's Such turmoil with political parties (only two by the way) (Dems and Repubs) Germany was a democratic society by the way. So complete chaos with financial ruin going on and no jobs and so on and so on, (Amerika today) So along comes Adolf Hitler (Trump) in a divided country and plays the trump card to bring the people back. Using the whole division and saying exactly what the Conservatives want to here. So who created this division in the first place? Is this called planned destruction" Crap has been going on for so long people forget forgot where it all started from. This entire country is against something so the division is far and wide and even Trump keeps it going but the conservatives love what he is saying. Killary just keeps getting away with bloody murder and the Dems love her. For God sakes even the RND wants her now because they keep telling us through their propaganda machine that they don't want the trump.

So we can't have the Billionaire but rather we have to settle for the murderous witch who blatantly lies and laughs at us while she is doing it. So check history out folks it just keeps repeating itself and repeating itself and repeating itself and re................................................................................................

Ps... we got the black in 2008 cause we never had one before...............So now we get the woman if she is real cause we never had one.............

[T Smith]

I'll be watching Trump with great entertained interest, but I am reminded of what "we" expected of Obama, and how that ultimately turned out ...




Yes, agreed, but Obama never called for an audit of the Federal Reserve, nor outed "W" for 9-11, nor called for the release of the 28 classified pages of the 9-11 commission report. The most Obama did to dupe those of us who bought into it was peddle the same tired Marxist slogans of forward, hope and change that had worked for the Bolsheviks nearly a century earlier.

I'm not a huge fan of Donald Trump's style, but I will say if either an audit of the Federal Reserve or the release of the 28 pages (among other things) ever do happen, there will be a grassroots change from the bottom up. It will have nothing to do with Trump. It will have everything to do with what will ultimately ensue after you throw a bucket of cold water in the collective face of the sleeping masses.

[Bubu]

IMO, Humanity will only progress when the majority recognize that there is no need for 'rulers'...
And that All Others are but another aspect of themselves and are thus physical Representations of the LOVE that IS the 'all that is'.

In Unity, Peace and Love

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Bubu]

I'll be watching Trump with great entertained interest, but I am reminded of what "we" expected of Obama, and how that ultimately turned out ...




Yes, agreed, but Obama never called for an audit of the Federal Reserve, nor outed "W" for 9-11, nor called for the release of the 28 classified pages of the 9-11 commission report. The most Obama did to dupe those of us who bought into it was peddle the same tired Marxist slogans of forward, hope and change that had worked for the Bolsheviks nearly a century earlier.

I'm not a huge fan of Donald Trump's style, but I will say if either an audit of the Federal Reserve or the release of the 28 pages (among other things) ever do happen, there will be grassroots change from the bottom up. It will have nothing to do with Trump. It will have everything to do with what will ultimately ensue after you throw a bucket of cold water in the collective face of the sleeping masses.

wish you luck in finding an authentic audit and 28 page report... when shall we learn that government is fake and probably will always be.

[T Smith]

I'll be watching Trump with great entertained interest, but I am reminded of what "we" expected of Obama, and how that ultimately turned out ...




Yes, agreed, but Obama never called for an audit of the Federal Reserve, nor outed "W" for 9-11, nor called for the release of the 28 classified pages of the 9-11 commission report. The most Obama did to dupe those of us who bought into it was peddle the same tired Marxist slogans of forward, hope and change that had worked for the Bolsheviks nearly a century earlier.

I'm not a huge fan of Donald Trump's style, but I will say if either an audit of the Federal Reserve or the release of the 28 pages (among other things) ever do happen, there will be grassroots change from the bottom up. It will have nothing to do with Trump. It will have everything to do with what will ultimately ensue after you throw a bucket of cold water in the collective face of the sleeping masses.

wish you luck in finding an authentic audit and 28 page report... when shall we learn that government is fake and probably will always be.

Yes. It would take more than luck. However, when faced with impossible odds, I am often reminded of a simple truth. No government, fake, real, or otherwise, can ever exist without the consent of its subjects. Trying to reform the former is probably impossible, but engaging in a psyop on the ladder, which ultimately erodes the collective consent, is an entirely different thing.

[Jayren]

If you still are thinking a president will save you look again. The american people need to band together and elect themselves and realize it goes pass America...

[Jayren]

These election games are like sports, there is only one champ in the end, until a new one arrives and starts the cycle over. Pure entertainment. Pure distractions. People love it.

[amor]

lONG LIVE TRUMP. I like Cruze's mindset; however, does the Council on Foreign Relations and Goldman Sachs pull his strings?

[ghostrider]

Sad day w ah when pne party offers a person under investigation by the FBI and the other is a socialist and people applaud at rallies... Trump could have a heart attack, or have a staged suicide, the controllers won't give up their power without a fight for sure...

[Lancet]

i wonder how many avalonians will actually vote, given what we know about free will and consent. I, for one have become a firm believer in voting abstention (if one is a registered voter).

All these candidates have been vetted, and as i remember Obama's campaign and how it garnered a whole nation's attention, it still turned out the way the cabal wanted. so the candidate is the poster child for what the public wants.. its really that simple.

So whoever it is, it probably makes no difference. reform congress and maybe there is a chance.

cheers
JT

[Redstar Kachina]

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[TargeT]

It just seems waaaaaaaaaaaaay too easy to fix what's broke in the U.S. by simply electing Trump...so no, that won't serve as the solution to the nation's problems.

DEFINITELY NOT...

can't have a global government with this government still standing strong.... it's one or the other, Trump may be a path from one to the other? maybe not... hard to say how complex the games that are being played actually are.

[Calz]

It just seems waaaaaaaaaaaaay too easy to fix what's broke in the U.S. by simply electing Trump...so no, that won't serve as the solution to the nation's problems.

DEFINITELY NOT...

can't have a global government with this government still standing strong.... it's one or the other, Trump may be a path from one to the other? maybe not... hard to say how complex the games that are being played actually are.


Even if Trump does win he would not take office for almost a year and the globalism/nationalism game should have played it's hand by then ...

[DeDukshyn]

I'll be watching Trump with great entertained interest, but I am reminded of what "we" expected of Obama, and how that ultimately turned out ...




Yes, agreed, but Obama never called for an audit of the Federal Reserve, nor outed "W" for 9-11, nor called for the release of the 28 classified pages of the 9-11 commission report. ... .

Might be the same tactic ... the landscape has changed, and so have the "promises", to lull us into a sense of hope ... perhaps ...

[TargeT]

[
Even if Trump does win he would not take office for almost a year and the globalism/nationalism game should have played it's hand by then ...

I don't see what's coming as an "event" more of a "process" it will take a while to bring the economies of the world low enough and shake our faith in the collective currencies enough to make us want a new system (or accept a new system) same with governments.. this could be a part of that process, or not... I doubt Jesse Ventura was an expected outcome.. maybe trumps the same?

I have more questions than answers, that's for sure.

[Calz]

[
Even if Trump does win he would not take office for almost a year and the globalism/nationalism game should have played it's hand by then ...

I don't see what's coming as an "event" more of a "process" it will take a while to bring the economies of the world low enough and shake our faith in the collective currencies enough to make us want a new system (or accept a new system) same with governments.. this could be a part of that process, or not... I doubt Jesse Ventura was an expected outcome.. maybe trumps the same?

I have more questions than answers, that's for sure.


Perhaps.

Russia is the big wild card here (with China BRICS etc).

If they are *truly* fighting against the globalists then it will be interesting.

Some feel ... and there is ample documentation from the globalists own people ... that it is all part of the illusion to bring it all down.

If that is, indeed, the case then things could happen very quickly.



Remember the old Albert Pike document (1861 me thinks) where WW3 is planned by the illooney's to pit Islam vs Zionism.


With all the talk of this or that country brandishing nukes and ready to bring em in the middle east who knows?

[TrumanCash]

Regardless of what happens with Trump, he needs to start studying the US Constitution--in the event he will be taking a solemn oath to uphold it--because he is a constitutional moron. He also appears to be unaware of Agenda 21.

Donald Trump wants the federal government to continue to control state lands in direct violation of the US Constitution (See Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17).

Donald Trump on federal control of public land: ‘it’s not a subject I know anything about’ (http://twitchy.com/2016/02/23/donald-trump-on-federal-control-of-public-land-its-not-a-subject-i-know-anything-about/)

Just last month Trump admitted that he knew nothing about the constitutional restrictions on the jurisdiction of the federal government. Duh! This is a major, major issue and perhaps the most significant issue of the whole Constitution.

Currently the potential exists for a widespread revolution based on this very constitutional violation. And leading this revolution--so far peaceful--is Utah. They have been planning this for years and have given "the feds" legal/lawful notice that they will be taking over control of the lands based upon Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17. Utah is currently launching a lawsuit against the fedgov and Utah could win this public lands lawsuit (http://www.sltrib.com/home/3473580-155/utah-could-win-public-lands-lawsuit).

If Trump does actually make it to the White House, Trump talks like he wants to be CEO of the US, not the president. The president--as well as the rest of the "federal" government--must understand and follow the Constitution. It's not just the law, it's the supreme law of the land.

Hopefully, since he just won the caucus in Nevada, someone there educated him on these issues and the restrictions on the federal government in the Constitution.

The unlawful takeover of state lands by the federal government is the centralization of power embodied in the symbol of the pyramid. The capstone is being put in place.

In spite of Trump being the lesser of the other evils, unless the Constitution is followed it matters little who is elected or selected CEO of the US.

The following is Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the US Constitution. Please tell me where it says "BLM-controlled land", "wildlife refuges", "national forests", "national monuments", etc, ad nauseum.

Congress shall have power: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of Government of the United States [aka Washington DC], and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings.

[TargeT]

bW1ebyHrvVQ

[WildOrchid]

Just a little humor...:)
http://static.infowars.com/politicalsidebarimage/walltrump_large.jpg
Source: http://www.infowars.com

[ljwheat]

I think the real issue is not the seat of the white house. but the seats of the house of rep. and the rest, thinking there in charge of this country. you could have god as president until these ideots are removed from the beltway. this country is going to fall, and fall big.. more than likely they will simply pull the plug on the power grid and we will kill each other just looking for food when its no longer delivered to stores, when the gas runs out from no power. just my two cents.

[Calz]

Just a little humor...:)



Thank you ... a little humor in times like this is a good thing :)


http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/gif-Trump-2459382.gif

[Calz]

I think the real issue is not the seat of the white house. but the seats of the house of rep. and the rest, thinking there in charge of this country. you could have god as president until these ideots are removed from the beltway. this country is going to fall, and fall big.. more than likely they will simply pull the plug on the power grid and we will kill each other just looking for food when its no longer delivered to stores, when the gas runs out from no power. just my two cents.

Forget about the congress critters ... unless (what is left of) the military steps in I have little hope.

As the AJ vid Target posted ... perhaps the military is becoming energized by Trump.

The caller also suggested that the military had previously felt there was nothing that could be done ... so who knows?


As for the grid ... beyond belief that the feds refused to come up with a couple billion to harden it when considering the trillions directed elsewhere. Even a CME will eventually take it down even discarding an EMP attack or simply willful taking it down by the scum that be ...

imho



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZdSBSrEDc8

[greybeard]

Did you know that many thousand signed a petition to ban Mr Trump from UK--it went to Parliament and they said they the did not have the power to do that under the circumstances
Can you imagine if UK had banned a possible future President.
It was public outrage over what Trump said about banning Muslim’s.

Great thread Calz---got it right smiling--your name spelling that is---spell cheque takes care of the rest--Lol

Much love
Chris

[TargeT]

Did you know that many thousand signed a petition to ban Mr Trump from UK--it went to Parliament and they said they the did not have the power to do that under the circumstances

clear proof of the power of propaganda... the UK soaks it up worse than US citizens, at least we are jaded and occasionally suspicious..

[sommervr]

I am a man of average intellect and discernment. I find it a great tool in times like this because the message is being crafted especially for me. If Obama is selling me hope he will deliver disappointment. If Trump is promising a soft revolution then nothing will change. The guy that would deliver change never got a national stage.

This is all a great indicator that these trends need to be turned around by whomever is the great weaver at the heart of the deception.

[DeDukshyn]

Did you know that many thousand signed a petition to ban Mr Trump from UK ...
It was public outrage over what Trump said about banning Muslim’s.
...

There was even a fake news story in Canada that claimed that our Prime minister had banned Trump from entering Canada - the story was of course false, but there have been a few petitions raised :)

Here's one - almost up to 20,000: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/504/652/644/demand-donald-trump-be-banned-from-entering-canada-for-promoting-hate-propaganda/

[Althena]

Did you know that many thousand signed a petition to ban Mr Trump from UK--it went to Parliament and they said they the did not have the power to do that under the circumstances

clear proof of the power of propaganda... the UK soaks it up worse than US citizens, at least we are jaded and occasionally suspicious..

I concur, I'm married to a Brit and I have learned the hard way not to engage in conversation about politics and specially gun ownership with ANY of her family members. Sad but true brother.

[M-Albion-3D]

For me...the trouble I have with the Donald is...well....he kinda reminds me of Mussolini with a wig on, acts like him too!


Viva il Donald! http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0601a%20ROFL.gif


http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a528/marsevidence01/Il%20Duchald_zpsce1lglnu.jpg (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/marsevidence01/media/Il%20Duchald_zpsce1lglnu.jpg.html)

[Arcturian108]

The Mussolini comparison photos made me laugh out loud. So thanks for that M-Albion-3D. But, I'm from New York and Donald doesn't scare me. In fact, I can see Trump as part of my extended Jewish family as in the famous Lenny Bruce quote:
“If you live in New York or any other big city, you are Jewish. It doesn’t matter even if you’re Catholic; if you live in New York, you’re Jewish. If you live in Butte, Montana, you’re going to be goyish even if you’re Jewish.”

[East Sun]

N0, not dead man walking. What about,

"LIVE MAN TALKING"

[Olam]

I think you are looking at Trump as the future President.
He is saying what a lot of people are thinking and perhaps afraid of saying--not politically correct so to speak.

chris

They still have those Diebold voting machines to do the dirty job.
If he can truly bypass the machine trickery and actually win, then I say his life is in danger.
I honestly think it won't get to that as Hillary will be put in office period.

Oh and I don't claim to know much about american politics but I think its very unfortunate for
Bernie Sanders, no matter what his skills are, he just does not look presidential and unfortunately image plays a huge role in voter confidence!
Thats how superficial most voters are I think!

[M-Albion-3D]

The Mussolini comparison photos made me laugh out loud. So thanks for that M-Albion-3D. But, I'm from New York and Donald doesn't scare me. In fact, I can see Trump as part of my extended Jewish family as in the famous Lenny Bruce quote:
“If you live in New York or any other big city, you are Jewish. It doesn’t matter even if you’re Catholic; if you live in New York, you’re Jewish. If you live in Butte, Montana, you’re going to be goyish even if you’re Jewish.”

Yep, I know what you mean. I was travelling back and forth to NY for several months and it started to rub off on me, my wife noticed when I returned each week that my shoulders kept "lifting up" every time I spoke....!

Better now though.

[Chester]

Not at all the direction I expected from this thread so I will let it die.

Politics ... eh ...

Hi, I thought your point was that the chances of him living long enough to be elected (if they fear he will be) is probably low.

I think your point has legs frankly.

Yet also... the alternative is that he is SO BOLD that it will scare so much of the masses who feed off the US tit that they turn out so great at the polls that whoever might be opposing Trump (if he is the Republican candidate) he won't get elected.

If that turns out to be the case, the elite will be laughing their ass off at the US representation of humanity and saying, "See? They do a good enough job of screwing themselves, we don't even have to try."

There's my politacl statement for the year...

other than an "odds update" I will flash from time to time.

Currently Trump is a 3 - 1 favorite to win the Republican nomination with Rubio the only viable candidate on Trump's tail. Cruz has dropped way back now.

Hillary is a good 6 to 1 and even 8 to 1 and 10 to 1 favorite to win the Democratic nomination.

Hillary is a 11 to 8 favorite to win it all over everyone else by the way... some places have her 6 to 5 and some spots have her 5 to 4 but most spots are 11 to 8 with a few even higher.

Polls mean nothing... the bookmakers odds know best.

Note Obama was everywhere from a 2 to 1 favorite to a 3 to 1 favorite the last 4 or so months before last election whereas the polls had it close. The polls are run by medias and/or other agenda driven or bias driven organizations.

Follow the money... always.

[Calz]

Hi, I thought your point was that the chances of him living long enough to be elected (if they fear he will be) is probably low.

I think your point has legs frankly.



It is.

"They" will do everything they can to keep him from winning (as they did with Ron Paul).

Voting machines and outright fraud can only go so far ... not going to work with an obvious overwhelming lead.

If it becomes clear he is going to win then watch out.




Hillary is a 11 to 8 favorite to win it all over everyone else by the way... some places have her 6 to 5 and some spots have her 5 to 4 but most spots are 11 to 8 with a few even higher.

Follow the money... always.




Globalists (with their money) want Hillary.

FBI has the goods on her email blunders but hard to see them being able to bring her down.

Some suggest her health is problematic.

Who knows ... the prospect of Trump going after Hillary should be quite entertaining.

_______________________



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daQOGUw8iUY


Today former Governor Mitt Romney announced that he thinks there will be a “bombshell” buried within Trump’s back taxes. This announcement corresponds directly with Trump insider Roger Stone’s prediction that after Trump wins Nevada the Republicans will attack his finances and associate him with the mob.


http://www.infowars.com/leaked-new-republican-plan-to-destroy-trump/

[T Smith]

I may be slightly pesamistic but i think you are all being fooled.

It is a game of ping pong. The sides have been split in two as that has been working for a very long time. They know we are starting to see through the smoke and mirrors in greater and greater numbers - so now they are creating a third choice to keep you distracted and playing the same game.

Trump is speaking for this third group - saying things that he knows we want to hear. Promising the same.

Remember Ron Paul. He was a genuine threat. He is also most likely what has spurred the use of Trump in politics.

The media blackouts and hush hush of as much of what Ron Paul was doing as possible was a good indication he was working against TPTB.

Trump however is getting all the media time and advertisement you could ask for to parade / advertise yourself and your cause.

Don't fall for it. Do not allow yourself to be distracted and believe anything at all good will come of this. The entire system needs to be scrapped and recreated. Participating in the system - even worse believing that the current political system has any hope of fixing things is pure delusion and you are willingly making yourself ignorant to the reality of the situation.



I've thought a lot about this and was for a time very puzzled by the dynamic you describe. For sure media attention is counter intuitive and doesn't make sense to the controlling agenda, unless Trump is simply another distraction, by design, leading the unsuspecting straight into the briar patch. So yes, your reasoning is sound--and you may be right. I certainly haven't ruled out the possibility.

However, after observing what's going on with some degree of discernment, I've come to think about this a little differently. Unlike Ron Paul, who was benign and quite easy to handle, I see Trump more like an addictive drug to the Media. He is a formidable nemesis and a challenge on one hand, and fun and dangerous on the the other. Ever since he first announced his campaign for POTUS, the media, in its feeding frenzy, has relentlessly jockeyed for the upper hand to destroy him, yet it has (to-date) failed miserably. Trump is something they have not encountered before; he is the ultimate anti-fragile figure. The more they try to finish him off, the stronger he gets. So to those engaging Trump in this way, the game has morphed into something akin to an exercise in escaping a Chinese finger puzzle. Figuring it out is perplexing, obsessive, compulsive, and even addictive. Especially when everything it attempts produces an oppose effect. They simply can't help themselves. It is as if there is a line of coke on the table that they can't resist, even though the action that would serve their interests best would be to simply back away. But is even more complicated than that. They justify engaging Trump (thus the media coverage) by continually trying to trip him up and by continually trying to conjure even cleverer ways to negatively spin his candor with narratives that would have buried adversaries with ease in the past. The ambitious among them, or those who truly abhor his politics and demeanor, may even dream of discovering his Achilles heal, or of delivering the coup de grace punch that will ruin him as a political force. And the more they play this game (and fail at it), the more addicted they become.

I tend to agree with you and am not convinced anything good will come of this. But I do think something unique is afoot. This is a very interesting dynamic. If you are right, we will all know it soon enough. And if you are wrong, unfortunately for Mr. Trump, I'm very sorry to say the most likely outcome is the materialization of the topic of this tread.

[T Smith]

Trump will be assassinated via "ISIS sympathizer(s)" in the U.S. this summer, or chaos will delay the November 2016 elections into 2017...perhaps indefinitely.



Perhaps the catalyst for a third Obama term?

[East Sun]

Trump will be assassinated via "ISIS sympathizer(s)" in the U.S. this summer, or chaos will delay the November 2016 elections into 2017...perhaps indefinitely.



Perhaps the catalyst for a third Obama term?

GOD forbid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[T Smith]

I'll be watching Trump with great entertained interest, but I am reminded of what "we" expected of Obama, and how that ultimately turned out ...




Yes, agreed, but Obama never called for an audit of the Federal Reserve, nor outed "W" for 9-11, nor called for the release of the 28 classified pages of the 9-11 commission report. ... .

Might be the same tactic ... the landscape has changed, and so have the "promises", to lull us into a sense of hope ... perhaps ...

It most definitely provides hope for me--lull away--which is precisely why I am heeding you're words. I get that some blowhard is now saying exactly what I want to hear, and is, in effect, pushing my buttons. I wasn't born yesterday. And while I intellectually understood the appeal of Obama circa 2008, I nonetheless didn't buy into it, in large part because such a message of "hope" and "change" appealed to such a broad scope of the disillusioned. Upon a good deal of critical thinking, research, and digging, the initial sheen of Obama was easily debunked, even before the first vote was ever cast.

Don't misunderstand. I may yet come to the same conclusion about Trump. I am also fully aware the political process is fully contrived and a feckless pursuit, save for those who employ it as as a psyop to manage and control the masses. However, the last time I checked, my particular demographic (and I'll make a stretch here and presume to speak for most of us here on Avalon)--our demographic--is likely about as important to the typical political strategist as trying to win over the Amish vote. To the vast majority an audit of the Federal Reserve is incomprehensible, at best. What is the purpose of lulling us into a sense of hope?

Dissing the Bush Dynasty and saying the things that need be said about 9-11 may be more popular; maybe I'm underestimating the public. I guess the question is, is this kind of garnering of hope really such a political coup?

[robinr1]

This..........




i may be slightly pesamistic but i think you are all being fooled.

It is a game of ping pong. The sides have been split in two as that has been working for a very long time. They know we are starting to see through the smoke and mirrors in greater and greater numbers - so now they are creating a third choice to keep you distracted and playing the same game.

Trump is speaking for this third group - saying things that he knows we want to hear. Promising the same.

Remember ron paul. He was a genuine threat. He is also most likely what has spurred the use of trump in politics.

The media blackouts and hush hush of as much of what ron paul was doing as possible was a good indication he was working against tptb.

Trump however is getting all the media time and advertisement you could ask for to parade / advertise yourself and your cause.

Don't fall for it. Do not allow yourself to be distracted and believe anything at all good will come of this. The entire system needs to be scrapped and recreated. Participating in the system - even worse believing that the current political system has any hope of fixing things is pure delusion and you are willingly making yourself ignorant to the reality of the situation.

[TrumanCash]

It appears that we can only speculate how this will all play out. I've wondered for months if Trump would pull a Ross Perot-type scenario to split the Republican vote and give the election to Hitlery. He has repeatedly said in public that he will not pledge allegiance to the Republican party and reserves the option to go independent.

Alex Jones specifically asked Trump in the Infowars interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJqLAleEnKw): "Will you commit that you won’t [pull a] Ross Perot and step down, under death threats, weeks before the election, with the lead?” Jones asked Trump this question THREE TIMES, each time wording the question slightly differently, but Trump would not answer the question.

There are certainly some similarities between Ross Perot's candidacy and Trump's. Is this all a set up or is Trump a genuine trump card, an unexpected joker in the deck?

Either way it's certainly not far-fetched to expect that the elite will do all they can do to make sure he doesn't get elected or possibly assassinate him either before the election or wait until he is president/CEO to assassinate him in order to traumatize people and utilize the assassination to implement their New World Odor agenda.

[onawah]

That sounds all too likely...

It appears that we can only speculate how this will all play out. I've wondered for months if Trump would pull a Ross Perot-type scenario to split the Republican vote and give the election to Hitlery. He has repeatedly said in public that he will not pledge allegiance to the Republican party and reserves the option to go independent.

Alex Jones specifically asked Trump in the Infowars interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJqLAleEnKw): "Will you commit that you won’t [pull a] Ross Perot and step down, under death threats, weeks before the election, with the lead?” Jones asked Trump this question THREE TIMES, each time wording the question slightly differently, but Trump would not answer the question.

There are certainly some similarities between Ross Perot's candidacy and Trump's. Is this all a set up or is Trump a genuine trump card, an unexpected joker in the deck?

Either way it's certainly not far-fetched to expect that the elite will do all they can do to make sure he doesn't get elected or possibly assassinate him either before the election or wait until he is president/CEO to assassinate him in order to traumatize people and utilize the assassination to implement their New World Odor agenda.

[Calz]

Go to 1:09:15 to hear the latest on what the GOP has planned for Trump (as well as news regarding a Scalia investigation).

Not too long and well worth the listen.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z4zw29FbLM

[East Sun]

bW1ebyHrvVQ

That's not what he said....................

He said "they may kill him for it"

Why misquote anyone?

[take]

Thank god I'n not an American. If Trump or Cruz get elected, I really honestly do not want to live on this plant anymore. Ever. I WILL lose all my hope for humanity.
I I were to vote, I'd vote for Bernie. Just sayin.

[GrnEggsNHam]

I saw today that John McAFee is running for president https://mcafee2016.com/. I really had no clue but I also don't pay much attention to the circus every 4 years. Anyways he is getting more airtime now that he can put in his $.02 on the Apple vs FBI shenanigans. I really do believe he would be on the populations side. He played the capitalists game and is very good at it. Yet his fortune was decimated by the bankers during the 2007-08 financial crisis(depicted in the popular movie "The Big Short") which leads me to believe he is not apart of the banking elite. He is in my opinion the most intelligent and qualified candidate. If only a real candidate could win the election, alas as we all know and learned back in 2000. The election process is not legit and our votes are in a vacuum.

Oh and this is also very interesting. It wasn't all that easy finding his website either. Let me show you what happens if you google "John McAfee president 2016". http://lmgtfy.com/?q=John+McAfee+president+2016

The top result is the incorrect URL https://mcafee16.com/. To make matters worse it's https so the redirect doesn't work. If you go to http://mcafee16.com/ you are correctly redirected to https://mcafee2016.com/. I really do not believe this is a coincidence or that John McAfee doesn't know what SEO is...

[MorningSong]

I don't know that what I'm going to post has much to do with this discussion or not, but something tells me it does in a low humming undertone way...

Yesterday I was bumping around the internet as I so often do, and ran into a YT vid that mentioned the potential "domestic terrorist" lists that people may find themselves on unwittingly for any outrageous reason.... well, guess who's on the front page of the said site? ... his truely, Mr. Trump!

https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/ir-160-cover-web.jpg

Please go to the link and have a read.... my mouse won't behave itself tonight or I'd c/p...

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2016/02/17/splcs-intelligence-report-amid-year-lethal-violence-extremist-groups-expanded-ranks-2015

[Althena]

Ssooo, anyone that votes for Trump will be put in the little black book? Good luck with that...

[T Smith]

Worthy read:

https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2016/02/23/patriot-missile-is-donald-trump-on-a-mission-to-save-america-3/

[syrwong]

The PTB (Powers that Be) control the media, and from the excessive amount of media coverage Trump is getting, it's clear that they love him, that they want him out there, that his campaign helps their agenda. Yes, he is saying some things that threaten them, as you mention above, but also, he is doing many of the things they want. He talks about going into Middle Eastern countries and "taking the oil." - I am sure the Rockefellers and friends would be glad to help facilitate that process for the usual fee. He is encouraging paranoia and hatred, racial division, and just lowering the bar for how human beings talk about each other and make it acceptable to degrade people based on race and religion. Along with his Muslim paranoia, he is calling for an increased surveillance state and you can be assured that when that is finally implemented it will be implemented on everyone. There is much that the PTB don't like about his agenda, but there is also much that they do and his talking about it helps them.

And while I think the PTB have a plan for Trump in the election, I don't think they will allow him to make it to the White House. He is a loose cannon and is not the obedient lap dog they could expect as many of the other candidates are. They do have a plan to take him out. I am sure they have a file on Trump, perhaps containing info on criminal financial schemes or sex with underage prostitutes, perhaps something else, perhaps a little more trivial, but still something which will allow CNN news commentators many hours of talking points (so they can avoid talking about all the imperialist wars, the bank thefts, the take over of the world by GMO and big Pharma). When this happens, they will probably also start talking about his adulterous affairs and what kind of Christian he really is, or talk about the bankruptcies he filed and the hard working American who never got paid - the talking points are being typed up now by the overlords and will be released to their media servants when the time comes, probably when Hillary (a PTB darling) wins the Democratic nomination.

What Sarah Palin was in 2008 Trump is in 2016. He increases the emotionalism of the populace, getting people to "say what they think" including racist bigoted rants and getting others to respond with shocked moral indignation, thus creating an American circus where no one talks about the national surveillance state, the degradation of health and environment by Big Pharma and GMO agriculture, and the theft of American wealth

All of the U.S. candidates for President are really just like Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant at a WWF wrestling match. They make a great spectator sport that keeps us all distracted while our attention is diverted from what is really going on.

Imagine that you are the elite, and you see that you have the support of only 49% of the people and an increasing number is moving to the opposite side, and situation is getting desperate, what do you do? You use the trump card. Send one of your men to the other side , say things that they like to hear and win their support. But on issues that really matter he is quietly in line with you. This way those who see hope in him, mostly belonging to the 51%, will be neutralized. Besides hope in him is hope in the system. The system of imperialism and slavery can continue.

[ozmirage]

I may be mistaken, and wholly misled, but after reading law, I find that since 1933, no candidate or elected official has voiced his intention to END the STATE of EMERGENCY that has bypassed the USCON for over 83 years.
. . .
So all this talk of "natural born citizen" and restoring the constitution, etc, is wholly bool sheet, to duck the fact that the constitutional government collapsed in 1933, and was reorganized into the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America.
. . .
. . .
Senate Report 93-549
https://archive.org/stream/senate-report-93-549/senate-report-93-549_djvu.txt
War and Emergency Powers Acts

"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."

FREEDOMS ... GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION ... HAVE BEEN ABRIDGED BY LAWS ... UNDER EMERGENCY RULE ...

Constitutional U.S.A. (1787 - 1933) R.I.P.

[onawah]

I can certainly understand why Trump is getting so much attention, but to my eyes, Sanders is quietly stealing the show.
Maybe I'm still politically naive, but if he is elected, I think it will be very hard for him because he is a genuine, heart-based soul who will probably be terribly sickened when he begins to see more fully this country's current state of corruption, which no doubt happens as soon as any POTUS is inaugurated (unless, of course, they already know the worst...).
But I think a lot of people would be praying for him and he would ultimately be up to the task.
No matter how many revelations Trump makes about 911 or any other hidden crimes of the elite, I just don't think he really gives a damn, and that his motivations are not to change things, but to do only what he thinks is good for number !; ie, I think he's actually complicit with the puppet masters and they are all laughing up their sleeves, not quaking in their boots (at least, not about Trump).
But when it comes to Sanders, I think they are just too arrogant to think that he could actually win, and when Sanders speaks, however politically correct his words may be, I just really feel like he is sincere, and I don't think we should underestimate the power of a man who speaks from the heart, such as here:

Bernie Sanders’ Stunning Response To A Question About His Spirituality At CNN’s Town Hall In South Carolina.
(Read more at: http://reverbpress.com/politics/bernie-sanders-cnn-sc-spirituality/ )

YWnvBFwojNM

I was never sure about Obama, I was just incredibly relieved that we weren't going to have to continue having an a------ like Bush as POTUS anymore, but I think it's clear enough now that Obama is just a very good, smooth-talking actor/sociopath who was being groomed for POTUS for a long time.
I used to think he was just naturally charming, but now I don't think anybody could be having as much fun as he appears to be having if he really cared about what is happening in the world today.
I don't think Sanders has been groomed for POTUS, and it would be quite a coup if he wins.
I still have enough faith in people to think that it's possible he can be voted in, but that will no doubt all boil down to how many votes are actually going to be counted and reported accurately.

[TargeT]

Why misquote anyone?

Sensationalism sells, and Alex J. is the KING of sensationalism.

[Calz]

Sensationalism sells, and Alex J. is the KING of sensationalism.




*smiles*

Yes ... that is so.


I never heard of Alex until 9/11 ... I was blissfully unaware and living in my matrix pod so I give him most of the credit for "waking me up".

I got some of his documentaries back in the day but couldn't listen to his daily show as it tended to give me a headache.

Have monitored his site since then and for the most part he has been spot on (bearing in mind a lot of his material is simply collected from various worldwide publications).


That said ... give the man his due ... no one else (stateside) sends out real investigative reporters now do they???


Many suggest he is disinfo. Well ... he doesn't seem to mention Zionism or Jesuits much ... that much is true.


As for keeping up with the globalists (which imho is what really matters) he has a great track record.


My respect has grown and I even listen to perhaps half of his daily shows now since there is so very much going on in the world now.

[Calz]

Audited every year by the IRS???

Hmmmm.

_______________


Trump Accuses IRS of Auditing Him Over His Religion & Politics

"I'm a strong Christian....there is a bias"

Paul Joseph Watson - February 26, 2016


During a post-debate interview with CNN last night, Donald Trump accused the IRS of targeting him over the fact that he’s a “strong Christian” and is taking on the establishment in the presidential race.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX9Fd8co-4M


CNN’s Chris Cuomo asked Trump about Mitt Romney demanding the billionaire release his tax returns.

“The one problem I have is I am always audited by the IRS, which I think is very unfair,” said Trump. “I don’t know — maybe because of religion, maybe because of something else, maybe because I am doing this [running for office], though this is just recently.”


Cuomo asked Trump to clarify what he meant, to which Trump responded, “Well, maybe because of the fact I am a strong Christian and I feel strongly about it, and maybe there is a bias.”

When Cuomo questioned the legitimacy of Trump’s claim, the Republican frontrunner pointed to the long running scandal involving the IRS targeting conservative groups for extra scrutiny based on their names or political themes.

Meanwhile, during the debate itself, Ben Carson also revealed how he had been politically targeted by the IRS after he publicly criticized Barack Obama.

“I never had an audit until I spoke at the National Prayer Breakfast. And then all of the sudden they came in and said, “We just want to look at your real estate dealings.” And then they didn’t find anything. And then they took a look at the whole year. And they didn’t find anything. And then they looked at the next year and they didn’t find anything. And they won’t find anything… The fact is the IRS is not honest and we have to get rid of them,” said Carson.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfOnJwkVR0A


http://www.infowars.com/trump-accuses-irs-of-auditing-him-over-his-religion-politics/

[ozmirage]

[tinfoil hat extraction flag on]
Arguing about elections and candidates and conspiracy theories and disinformation agents may be fun and entertaining, but it is so far from reality that it boggles the mind.


Things Verboten - No Candidate Dares

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In “free” America, no candidate for public office can express any opinion, remedy, or policy about:
● __ The perpetual “temporary” State of Emergency, in place since 1933, that side steps the constitution, and grants pre-approved powers to the president and the secretary of treasury (aka “U.S. governor of the World Bank and IMF, etc”) whose rules you agree to when you sign a bank “signature card.” (See Title 12 USC Sec. 95a, b)

● __ Congress has no power to create money nor give that power to anyone else. Congress has the power to coin money (stamp bullion) and borrow money. If Congress could create money, why borrow it? (See Art. 1, Sec.8, Sec. 10, USCON). Never ask: “who has the power to create money?”

● __ The fraud of the public debt (in excess of 19 trillion dollars). Since the legal definition of a dollar is limited to gold, (silver was demonetized in 1873) and the world supply, if coined, is only $122 billion, it is IMPOSSIBLE to have borrowed 19 trillion gold dollars. So exactly what was loaned to Congress? Credit? Based on what?

● __ Pursuant to clause 4, 14th amendment, the public debt cannot be challenged, despite the obvious fraud.

● __ Participants in FICA are “contributors” equally liable on the public debt (impossible to repay), and thus must accept worthless IOUs (“dollar bills”) as obligated parties on the debt. Therefore, they are robbed of the right to their labor and property, and are pauperized, eligible for public charity (entitlements), though believing they were involved in an “insurance” plan, despite the Supreme court rulings that FICA is nothing less than a tax (like Obamacare) and Congress is under no obligation to pay benefits. And FICA / Social Security is 100% voluntary... voluntary servitude.

● __ The confiscation of lawful money (gold coin) and the criminalization of the ownership of gold by “free” Americans, by FDR. http://bestamericangold.com/confiscation/

In short, the American voter is a blithering idiot, batsh!t crazy, and that’s the way “they” want it.

If you want to “scare” government, start going to your county courthouse and READ LAW for yourself. But if you do go to the courthouse law library, remember to wear knee pads and "Depends" (adult diapers) ... you may fall to your knees, weeping, or pee yourself.

[GloriousPoetry]

I think it's all theater with Trump.......the white is right agenda.........he's just another elite. WHITE MAN SCREWS YOU OVER AND THEN WHITE MAN BECOMES YOUR SAVIOR

I agree with Rayht, there is an unconscious fear of a mutiracial nation .......

[Calz]

I think it's all theater with Trump.......the white is right agenda.........he's just another elite. WHITE MAN SCREWS YOU OVER AND THEN WHITE MAN IS YOUR SAVIOR.


If you want to wear GREETER GREEN then perhaps you may reconsider insulting an entire race even though it seems to have become politically correct to do so.

Go back to the OP ... that is one reason Trump has become popular.

[TrumanCash]

Here are some quotes from the "Christian" Donald Trump. He also presents himself as a kind of whistleblower. Look how he wants to treat whistleblowers that expose government corruption.

“I think Snowden is a terrible threat, I think he’s a terrible traitor, and you know what we used to do in the good old days when we were a strong country — you know what we used to do to traitors, right?” Trump said, Politico reported.

“Well, you killed them, Donald,” said fill-in host, Eric Bolling.

Mr. Trump’s response: Well, he is damaging America.

“This guy is really doing damage to this country, and he’s also making us look like dopes,” he said, Politico reported. “We can’t allow this guy to go out there and give out all our secrets and also embarrass us at every level. We should get him back and get him back now.”
(http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/2/donald-trump-edward-snowden-kill-traitor/)
So "Christian" Trump wants to kill people who "embarrass" the US?


LAS VEGAS – Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump said Thursday that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl should have been executed for leaving his post in Afghanistan.

"We're tired of Sgt. Bergdahl, who's a traitor, a no-good traitor, who should have been executed," Trump said to cheers at a rowdy rally inside a packed Las Vegas theater at the casino-hotel Treasure Island.

"Thirty years ago," Trump added, "he would have been shot." (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/09/donald-trump-says-bowe-bergdahl-should-have-been-executed.html)

What if someone leaves the military because it is too corrupt and is killing innocent people?

Trump you are not Christian. A Christian believes in and practices forgiveness and expresses love even for one's enemies. A Christian does not kill people just because they exercise their sovereign rights. Here's one for you Trump: "He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword." and "A man reaps what he sows." [Better watch your karma, dude]

[Calz]

No one has suggested Trump was a paragon of virtue.

The globalists tried to give us the "option" of Hillary or Jeb in our "free" election.

Trump crashed the party.

I think that is a "good" thing but no idea how it would play out if he actually became president.

As I opined in the OP ... "they" won't let it happen.

[TrumanCash]

Why is it that the people of the United States and other countries are always faced with voting for the lesser of the evils?

"We're tired of Sgt. Bergdahl, who's a traitor, a no-good traitor, who should have been executed," Trump said to cheers at a rowdy rally inside a packed Las Vegas theater at the casino-hotel Treasure Island.

Please notice that people are cheering that Trump wants to kill people he doesn't agree with. What's wrong with this picture? Please remember that Adolph Hitler was voted into office. Trump has little understanding of the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I do not believe that Trump is genuine or should be taken at his word. We don't need another dictator. And Trump has so far only spoken generalities and they are often inflammatory and play into what people want to hear. No details yet on how he's going to convince Congress to go along with all of his ideas lol.

But my point is that it is the majority of the people of the US that are the problem--stupid, stupid, stupid. They know nothing about the Constitution or what real law is and they go along with the inhumanity, violence and Nazi-like behavior of the corrupted US government. They want someone else to take care of things for them because most people are irresponsible sheep. So one way or the other, history will repeat itself.

I will also say that Hitlery is much more evil than Trump. So if Trump is assassinated, either literally or politically, I would expect this sort of thing from the "skull and bones" crowd.

[Calz]

If I had my choice (among those offered the last couple of decades) it would have been Ron Paul.

The system is broken beyond repair. It isn't so much that amerikans are stupid ... well ... look at what has been offered up.

I only voted once in my lifetime for president and that was I was so disgusted with cowboy bush, cheney, rumsfield etc that I voted for the only other option ... Kerry (another skull and boner).



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNmshHo7IsE#t=13

[TrumanCash]

Well, now, if Trump chose Ron Paul for vice-president, perhaps that might make things much more interesting!

[Calz]

Well, now, if Trump chose Ron Paul for vice-president, perhaps that might make things much more interesting!

Indeed.

Jesse Ventura would be an idea as well ... perhaps he could double as Trump's body guard???


https://ctpatriot1970.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/jesse-ventura-trutv.jpg

[GloriousPoetry]

I'm not directly insulting the white race but rather the white supremacy notion in the United States and even here in Mexico that is shared. .....colonization and beyond.

[Calz]

I'm not directly insulting the white race but rather the white supremacy notion in the United States and even here in Mexico that is shared. .....colonization and beyond.

I don't feel any supremacy to you or any race anywhere.

I married an Asian woman ... dated several from other races and had many friends mixed in as well.

My point was simply if you wish to offer yourself up to greeting new members of the forum you should take care of lumping races/genders/etc together even if you mean well.

Okay??? :)


*** adding ***

Since you added this then I will add.



I agree with Rayht, there is an unconscious fear of a mutiracial nation .......

amerika (what was once great and I could call America) is one of the bigger melting pots on the planet.

I love Rayht ... Admin Dude rocks my world and is someone we should all pay attention to.


So ... is this because Trump is simply calling out what is happening with the open borders with no vetting of who is coming into the country now???

Islam radicals being bused and flown into many areas in secret???


Doesn't that make sense to you???


Do you have a family ... children???


I do.

[bogeyman]

Trump has a lot to say running for the candidate for the nomination for the Republican parties presidential hopeful. Yet if he achieves the goal of becoming President, he will soon find out where the power really lies, and it isn't with the President.

[Calz]

Presidents have long been puppets ...

JFK tried to be a "president" and that is what happens when you don't toe the line.

[GloriousPoetry]

Calz,
I'm attacking an ideology not you directly ......of course I'm aware that not all white men feel supremacy over others. I would think that most people on this forum would know the difference.....geez!

[greybeard]

As a non USA citizen--looking from afar
America government seems obsessed with being great and the policeman of the world.
Who asked them to be?
Im not speaking about your average Joe but sabre rattling politicians with hidden agenda.
My Trump follows this mode as far as I can see.

UK of course much the same though Scotland not so much so --as far as I can tell.

The moment a possible presidential candidate or Prime minister orates about making the country great again I cringe.
In that greatness seems the assumed right to invade other countries for the best possible reason of course.
To my mind sort your own back yard before imposing values etc on a foreign country.
That applies to all countries.

Sorry if off topic.

Chris

[Calz]

Not off topic at all Chris.

Get used to it ... Nationalism vs Globalism.

Globalists have long used the military assets of amerika to do their bidding. They draw no boundaries. Their world is simply corporations which simply mask their true identities.


The "kings" simply want total control ... nothing more than that ... unless you consider *their* multidemsional masters which is a whole nuther topic.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

As a non USA citizen--looking from afar
America government seems obsessed with being great and the policeman of the world.
Who asked them to be?

I don't think we should be the policemen of the world, either. But as far as being great, what do you expect? What country would someone have to live in to want to vote for someone who says, "Ah, I think things are okay the way they are. Let's just maintain the status quo for a few years and be happy with that." Of course a leader of any country should want to make things better, even to make them "great."

Prior to the world wars, the US was great ... because of its industrial output. We were a powerhouse of industry, and the great industrial powerhouse of the world. We didn't go around invading everybody like we do today. We were like China. Now only China is like China, and a lot of the stuff they produce is junk compared to what we used to produce. That's what I think of when I think of when the US was really great in both the material and ethical sense of the word, if it could ever be said at all.

[ErtheVessel]

Call me cynical (and I mean no offense to anyone), but I believe we are being played as far as Donald Trump is concerned. Just like we were being played with Sandy Hook and all the other outrageous psy ops we have seen in the US in recent years. What it feels like to me is that a group of elites are sitting together somewhere (figuratively speaking) watching the show to see how far the American people can be pushed, or how bizarre and audacious Trump can get and the American public will continue to soak it up like he is a savior. It's like a game or a sport for them. They love to see how far they can manipulate and dupe us or how crazy and obvious they can be and still get away with it. In some ways it reminds me of the Hunger Games scenario, except the American public seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that it is a game, and we are the ones being played.

I don't believe Trump would ever do anything that didn't make him a tidy profit, so perhaps the Shadow Government of the US is paying him big bucks to play the role of his life. I believe he is a narcissist of the first degree and is incapable of doing anything for anyone other than himself. It seems to me he lives for glory, profit and power, and that is all.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

It would be easy to think that Trump is just another example in a long series of the American people being misled. But I think there is a lot more behind Trump than that. Clinton and Bush were the shoe-ins. Those are the real insiders who would definitely continue politics as usual, come from the usual power institutions, and deserve to be in prison.

There is a former DIA chief who says openly that Obama knew full well that the US was contributing to the creation of ISIS. That's a pretty radical thing for a US intelligence chief to say about the president of the US isn't it? And guess what else? He endorses Trump, and Trump has had at least one meeting with the man already. That is a big clue just in itself.

There has been a coup unfolding over the past couple of years at least between heads of the US military and the political establishment in the US. I think Trump represents a major political coup taking place. He is not an "establishment" candidate at all, and that is not just media spin. He isn't accepting money from political action committees and he's said things that no republican establishment candidate would ever say, like that Bush should have been impeached, that the Bush administration flew out the relatives of the alleged hijackers on 9/11 back to Saudi Arabia, and that we need to be neutral in the Middle East. And he's apparently on good terms with Vladimir Putin. That's a radical departure from politics as they have been in the US for many years.

The Pentagon is friendly with Russia too, though, if you look at how international events are unfolding. The US military got out of Russia's way to allow them to attack ISIS (a CIA creation) in Syria. That was also a huge sign of an internal conflict happening within the US. Also the fact that the US made a peace agreement with Iran, supported by Russia, China and our allies, except Rothschild-owned Israel which was deeply enraged. There are lots of signs of a big shake-up going on here. My thinking is that the Pentagon is backing and protecting Trump to get him into office instead of another Clinton or Bush, who are mafia types working with an international finance, energy and business cartel.

[Calz]

Something ... different ... is going on here.

Another Clinton vs another Bush ... enough.

Whether or not by design ... not sure but don't think so.

If nothing else nice to see things real going on ... organic ... not scripted by the ptb.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAnpgLzqsQw

[giovonni]

He's on a roll ...

Trump trolls Rubi:bowl: during Texas Rally


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jukqw0hoWHc


It ain't over till the fat man sings ... :spit:

Gov. Chris Christie endorses Donald Trump for president


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptvQ7B3szcU

[East Sun]

Oh, crap.............I was feeling good about Trump until now..............He went and blew it .....

Christie???

Give me a break..... Yeah, of course there are no saviors....

But he/Trump is still the best of a bad lot.............

BTW What ever happened to Andy Basiago?

[SilentFeathers]

Something ... different ... is going on here.

Another Clinton vs another Bush ... enough.

Whether or not by design ... not sure but don't think so.

If nothing else nice to see things real going on ... organic ... not scripted by the ptb.


I agree, something VERY different, weird to say the least.

The title of this thread really say's a lot, especially if Trump is allow the POTUS position and refuses to attach the mandatory strings to himself, which I am pretty sure he will refuse them and be way too difficult to control and will probably accidentally fall out of the top floor window of Trump Tower.....perhaps before the actual election.

[ozmirage]

America government seems obsessed with being great and the policeman of the world.
Who asked them to be?
It certainly wasn't the voters.

Perhaps this quote will illuminate the issue:


"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
- - - Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, 1935
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler


Minor correction : though they call themselves "capitalists," the forces of usury are enemies of true capitalism - the private ownership of the tools of production and the results thereof.

IMHO, the usurers / banksters are the covert puppet masters who are using Americans as their cannon fodder to defend their predation around the world.

(Usury has been denounced as an abomination for "only" 3500 years. If you don't know it's bad, this forum is not the place to debate that issue. Suffice to say, it's been proscribed by all religions, and philosophers from antiquity. Yet billions embrace it, to their eventual ruin. P.S. - the lowest circle of Hades is reserved for usurers... like George Bailey from the old "Savings and Loan" the banker from "It's a Wonderful Life." As if angels would come to the rescue of a usurer.)

[Twisted Flames]

Do all of you honestly think that a multi billionaire is United with you? Give me a break.

Donald Trump is already known to have business connections to Israel, and has ties with the Clintons.

Trump isn't for "911 truth" whatsoever. not too long ago a reporter pitched him a couple questions about 911 and trump ignored him entirely, calling him a "conspiracy theorist."

Both of our political parties are one party, the wall street party, the party of endless war, the party of the erosion of our civil liberties, the party of more and more spending, the party of banking, insurance, and special interest, the party of the federal reserve and their multi billion dollar bailouts making our money worthless, the party of the lobbyists.

Wake up AMERICA. These politicians are NOT united with you. These presidential candidates were hand picked from America's most notorious criminal families.

[Matthew]

Trump has talked about wanting 'boots on the ground' in Syria. One of my warning signs he's got strings from the industrial military complex. Also Trump is saying he would bring back interrogation techniques such as waterboarding.

Source: ft.com > World > US > US Election 2016 (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/055d121c-9142-11e5-bd82-c1fb87bef7af.html)

Mr Trump said that if he were elected, he would bring back harsh interrogation techniques such as waterboarding — or simulated drowning — which the Obama administration banned amid criticism they amounted to torture.

Torcher is renouned through history as an inaccurate form of interrogation. Doesnt get the truth, much more likely to get the answer you want. Torcher is a way to inflict hate and shouldn't be confused with interrogation. Trump has a few warning signs. I think Trump has been heavily baited for the anti-establishment movement. Trump is war covered with sugar

[GloriousPoetry]

Calz,
Yes I have children and so do Muslims.Trump is just mimicking the same broken record that other politicians have voiced over and over about immigrants coming into the United States. ......nothing really new.....this time around the Muslim immigrants are smeared for obvious mainstream reasons. .......I'm not negating that Muslim fundamentalist exist but my question is what created them? Why doesn't Trump educate mainstream U.S.A about the screwed up foreign U.S. policies that have created such hatred toward the United States and have indirectly given birth to billionaires like himself?

I also agree with Twisted Flames.....I thought Avalon was dedicated to an enlightened perspective or at least a more informed perspective.......a U.S. Billionaire giving everyone else a break....really?
Wake up indeed U.S.A......both of your polarized political parties are one big conspiracy.

I'm done with this thread......I just had to return and change America to U.S.A. since in Mexico the term America refers to all of North America, Central America and South America......here if you are from the U.S.A the proper term in Spanish is Estadouninese...United Statian in Englush. Unfortunately the U.S stole the term America to refer to only it's territory......nobody else in Las Americas calls themselves American.

[TargeT]

I'm done with this thread.

Divide and conquer, still the most effective political tool out there!

[Chester]

Why is it that the people of the United States and other countries are always faced with voting for the lesser of the evils?

"We're tired of Sgt. Bergdahl, who's a traitor, a no-good traitor, who should have been executed," Trump said to cheers at a rowdy rally inside a packed Las Vegas theater at the casino-hotel Treasure Island.

Please notice that people are cheering that Trump wants to kill people he doesn't agree with. What's wrong with this picture? Please remember that Adolph Hitler was voted into office. Trump has little understanding of the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I do not believe that Trump is genuine or should be taken at his word. We don't need another dictator. And Trump has so far only spoken generalities and they are often inflammatory and play into what people want to hear. No details yet on how he's going to convince Congress to go along with all of his ideas lol.

But my point is that it is the majority of the people of the US that are the problem--stupid, stupid, stupid. They know nothing about the Constitution or what real law is and they go along with the inhumanity, violence and Nazi-like behavior of the corrupted US government. They want someone else to take care of things for them because most people are irresponsible sheep. So one way or the other, history will repeat itself.

I will also say that Hitlery is much more evil than Trump. So if Trump is assassinated, either literally or politically, I would expect this sort of thing from the "skull and bones" crowd.

Because we live on a sick planet where those who are aware of the various "influences" enjoin with them and conspire to keep the rest in ignorance.

[TargeT]

From the UK
http://i.imgur.com/pG3rfYd.jpg

I laughed, is that wrong?

[Chester]

Presidents have long been puppets ...

JFK tried to be a "president" and that is what happens when you don't toe the line.

Kennedy also was a massive womanizer (and I don't judge that) but they did back then and it was used to blackmail him and his brother. They don't have anything on Trump because he's clean. He also doesn't drink any alcohol, zero drugs and doesn't even smoke cigarettes. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/1/donald-trump-touts-lifestyle-without-alcohol-drugs/) And from my friends who probably have the actual first hand knowledge they claim... neither do his kids.

At least he will have a clear head when that 3 AM call happens.

[T Smith]

From the UK
http://i.imgur.com/pG3rfYd.jpg

I laughed, is that wrong?

Let's put this in its proper perspective. Trump is rogue.

Agree to disagree on his politics, opine away about whether this is a good thing or bad thing, I think most us agree Trump is rogue.

That said, I'm not suggesting we all need to all agree with Trump on every position or get behind his controversial rhetoric. But if you're paying close enough attention and are able to filter out the spin, it should be very clear he is not a shill for the PTB.

Question is, is this a good thing? Or a bad thing?

One thing's for sure. He sure as hell is shaking up the NWO propagandists.... Comparing him to Hitler? Really?

[Ron Mauer Sr]

If Trump has the control freaks very worried, then, if for no other reason, Trump may be the best for the job.

The control freaks need to be dis-empowered.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Franny]

Never underestimate the power of a couple of generations of fluoridation in food, showers water, beverages, drugs and water, not just toothpaste. Add to that various forms of social engineering at every level as well as electro-magnetic, chemical, microwave etc. and we all see what it can do to a population...or sheep/sheeple if you'd rather.

It is frustrating, but not everyone is equipped to push through that much control - and so, remain ignorant and controlled. As do we all, just at different levels of control. The hell of it is, we know something of it and so many do not.


[QUOTE=TrumanCash;1049330]
But my point is that it is the majority of the people of the US that are the problem--stupid, stupid, stupid. They know nothing about the Constitution or what real law is and they go along with the inhumanity, violence and Nazi-like behavior of the corrupted US government. They want someone else to take care of things for them because most people are irresponsible sheep. So one way or the other, history will repeat itself.



Because we live on a sick planet where those who are aware of the various "influences" enjoin with them and conspire to keep the rest in ignorance.

[apokalypse]

Bernie should grab Jesse Ventura....Jesse and Bernie should destroy who ever cross their path.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[T Smith]

Why is it that the people of the United States and other countries are always faced with voting for the lesser of the evils?



I know this is a rhetorical question, but the answer is still worth considering if you want to understand how and why history is doomed to repeat itself.

The question is not unlike asking actors in a play why they are faced with repeating the same lines, time and again, after their cues. The lines are all part of a script. It's all theater, and the people--unwitting or not--are just playing out preordained parts. In other words, this ain't no improv.

This analogy may be a simplification, but for all intents and purposes the political arena is fully contrived and we the people are enslaved within to serve the playwrights. In short, in such a system, there isn't choice. The vast majority of the actors are fully unconscious to this, but the "stupid steeple" nonetheless have an instinctual understanding something is amiss and they are not the playwrights. Even though the play is about them being the playwrights.

Every now and then a populist will come along who says, "screw this play! Let's take it back and write our own script! All these lines are fake and contrived and you don't need to play along anymore!" This kind of rhetoric rouses something deep in the people, who, for the most part, have no conscious understanding they are enacting assigned parts, which herd and shape their lives, often to their own detriment and suffering. The populist rhetoric is very much unlike the typical political rhetoric that calls for moving a prop, or changing a scene, or adding or removing lines.

There is no question there have been some abhorrent populists in history, Adolf Hitler, Vladimir Lenin, Mao Zedong, etc. There have also been some very inspiring ones. Mahatma Gandhi, Sir William Wallace, George Washington, etc.

I can't argue what dynamic is going on here with DJT, but sometimes the play is such a horrendous affair the people are willing (perhaps foolishly willing) to throw the dice...

[East Sun]

Where is Andy Basiago?





what about dead woman walking?///////////////////

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[Deborah (ahamkara)]

There was a quite thoughtful op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal yesterday by Peggy Noonan. She pointed out that America is now basically a nation of the Protected and the Unprotected. The Unprotected are beginning to realize they have little to gain by supporting the status quo. It seemed a very astute assessment of the situation.

Also, the Archdruid Blog described America as a nation of 4 classes. Your class designation being far more important that race or religion in determining your world view. There is the Interest/Investment class - extraordinary wealth which insulates and protects those at the very top. A Salary Class (shrinking) - that which used to constitute the Middle class, but is now hanging on by their fingertips. The Wage class - formally the Working class, and now the Working Poor.( The gap between the Wage and Salary class is growing and nearly permanent.) Finally, the Welfare or Underclass.I thought that made a lot of sense. Donald is appeals to the wage class, by voicing their fears and concerns. We live in interesting times.

[TargeT]

If Trump has the control freaks very worried, then, if for no other reason, Trump may be the best for the job.

The control freaks need to be dis-empowered.

This is pretty much where I am on the topic.. apparently Jessie V. pulled off an unexpected win, maybe trump will do something similar? (not that Jesse accomplished much, I'll take anything at this point.)


Donald is appeals to the wage class, by voicing their fears and concerns. We live in interesting times.

Appeals to the Salary Class too...

[ZooLife]

Isn't the run up to the general election and selection of the president essentially a made for TV reality show?

And your next America Idol is................

Whoops,, I mean:

And your next American President is..............

http://www.yesware.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/man-behind-the-curtain.gif

[giovonni]

the jig is up ...



https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/trump-cover-final.jpg?quality=75&strip=color&w=550

Time Has Come Today


The Chambers Brothers

(Past Time Covers 1968-1970)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARgiPJobKnE

[Shannon]

Well, this is why Trump is as safe as can be...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfmnnjLUj1k


Houman, posted this video on the "Greer, aliens are afraid of us " thread, but it couldn't be more true when it comes down to who gets whacked and who doesn't. I'll be nervous for Donald trump when the goofball starts preaching peace and goodwill.

[enfoldedblue]

What i am wondering is why the media is giving Trump so much airtime. All over the world Trump is being shoved in everyone's face while Bernie is being largely ignored. We all know there is no such thing as bad publicity.

[onawah]

Inasmuch as the press is controlled by the corporations, it can only mean one thing, imho--it's all a setup to distract people from the fact that there is a decent candidate running for POTUS.

[Calz]

Sanders is short too many delegates already to win the democratic party nomination...nomination system is rigged.

Democrats have "superdelegates" which in essence negates the popular vote. Note that in New Hampshire (I think it was) Sanders beat Hillary by 22% in the popular vote (60-38) yet Hillary ended up with the delegates.

Ain't amerika great?


Anyway ... GOP has something similar and it comes at the convention (after all the states have voted).

Long story short, at least in some states, the delegates don't have to represent the people's vote. Larry Nichols was talking about that on the clip I posted:

here - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89046-Trump-...-dead-man-walking&p=1048975&viewfull=1#post1048975

If it gets manipulated such that Trump (or anyone) doesn't have 51% (I believe) then they start all over and the delegates can vote any way they wish

Have to see how that plays out (if it gets that far).

[giovonni]

Sanders is short too many delegates already to win the democratic party nomination...nomination system is rigged.

Democrats have "superdelegates" which in essence negates the popular vote. Note that in New Hampshire (I think it was) Sanders beat Hillary by 22% in the popular vote (60-38) yet Hillary ended up with the delegates.

Ain't amerika great?


Anyway ... GOP has something similar and it comes at the convention (after all the states have voted).

Long story short, at least in some states, the delegates don't have to represent the people's vote. Larry Nichols was talking about that on the clip I posted:

here - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89046-Trump-...-dead-man-walking&p=1048975&viewfull=1#post1048975

If it gets manipulated such that Trump (or anyone) doesn't have 51% (I believe) then they start all over and the delegates can vote any way they wish

Have to see how that plays out (if it gets that far).

Been this way for a long time ...

And that's the way the democratic and republican party heads like it ...

Unfortunately whether it be Hilliary or Donald ...

The country's screwed.

[onawah]

There's a petition started now which people are signing who plan to write-in Sanders if he isn't on the ballot.

[onawah]

DNC Vice-Chair Resigns, Endorses Bernie Sanders
Dylan Sevett | February 28, 2016
http://usuncut.com/news/dnc-vice-chair-resigns-endorses-bernie-sanders/
http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20160228&t=2&i=1120979307&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=644&pl=429&sq=&r=MTZSAPEC2S9JFCKH



The Democratic Party seems to be falling apart at the seams as a result of the apparent favoring of less popular candidate Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders by establishment figures.

With the encroaching inevitability of Donald Trump becoming the Republican frontrunner, it’s confusing to many card-carrying democrats that the party would gamble with Hillary Clinton.

In mock polls, Bernie Sanders is shown to run better against Trump than Hillary by 3.2 points. Why then, would the party take such a risk?

Many Democrats are asking themselves the same thing, and today, the DNC Vice-Chair resigned to put her support behind Sanders.

U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard from Hawaii announced on Sunday that she will resign and endorse Bernie Sanders for president.

“I think it’s most important for us, as we look at our choices as to who our next commander in chief will be, to recognize the necessity to have a commander in chief who has foresight, who exercises good judgment,” said Gabbard on MSNBC‘s “Meet the Press.”

Politico obtained an e-mail she sent to her fellow DNC officers that reads, “after much thought and consideration, I’ve decided I cannot remain neutral and sit on the sidelines any longer.”

“There is a clear contrast between our two candidates with regard to my strong belief that we must end the interventionist, regime-change policies that have cost us so much,” the e-mail reads. “This is not just another ‘issue.’ This is THE issue, and it’s deeply personal to me. This is why I’ve decided to resign as Vice Chair of the DNC so that I can support Bernie Sanders in his efforts to earn the Democratic nomination in the 2016 presidential race.”

She also cites her experience as a two-time war veteran as a major reason she supports Sanders. She believes he has the sound judgement required to know when to use America’s military.

Also a Reuters article here:http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-sanders-gabbard-idUSMTZSAPEC2S9JDNKG

[giovonni]

will share this here ...

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Donald Trump

"Our main story was about Donald Trump. We can't believe we're saying that either."

Published on Feb 28, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ&feature=em-uploademail

[Calz]

I'd like to take just a moment to thank everyone for their participation in this thread.

I'll respond to a few "themes" rather than to specific posters or quotes.




Just normal politics ... means nothing ... happens every election ... Trump is an insider so same ol' same ol'



Personally I was never drawn to politics (voted once) and would normally agree with most of the low expectation stereotypes.

No ... quite clearly this is different.

Yes Trump is wealthy and as such has insights into the elite ... but not from the vantage point of the beltway.

He is trying to stand up to most all the system has become (not mentioned in the OP is addressing vaccines at least to the degree and method they are now being applied).




Trump is not going to "save us"



He is doing all that one man could to stand up to the system.

He obviously cannot do it alone ... even if the military and all the levels of local law enforcement stand with him the chances are quite low.

The danger grows with his support ... if there is any hope then time is of the essence ... best not to dangle in the wind too long.




I/we thought PA was more enlightened than this type of thread.



Wow ... could say a number of things there.


Bottom line is imho this simply comes to our last chance to stop the globalists from their hundreds year old plans ...

No need to repeat the details of which.


Who will stop them ... how ... when???


I know there is much going on in the spiritual realms that are not obvious to all.


From the 3d ground level this looks like a revolution of sorts to me.


Don't fall for the disinfo and media spin. *EVERY* power that the elite possess is being brought to bear on stopping this from happening.


All the UN related laws have been passed ... the hardware has been placed ... the camps have been built, stocked, manned and ready.


http://www.captcartoon.com/images/donald_trump_president_cartoon-500.jpg

[TargeT]

will share this here ...

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Donald Trump

"Our main story was about Donald Trump. We can't believe we're saying that either."


Ahh comedy central, comfortably left biased as always.

If that's the best they can come up with,,,,, a few jokes about a last name & the fact that he's changed his mind a few times (why are we always so focused on politicians not changing their mind, how is that a good thing? Pulling up clips from 5+ years ago on current issues is a pretty weak leverage of logical fallacy).


I don't have any hopes for trump other than possibly shaking a few things up; I don't think it will ultimately matter who is elected, they've been figure heads for a long time now and nothing else.

[giovonni]

will share this here ...

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Donald Trump

"Our main story was about Donald Trump. We can't believe we're saying that either."


Ahh comedy central, comfortably left biased as always.

If that's the best they can come up with,,,,, a few jokes about a last name & the fact that he's changed his mind a few times (why are we always so focused on politicians not changing their mind, how is that a good thing? Pulling up clips from 5+ years ago on current issues is a pretty weak leverage of logical fallacy).


I don't have any hopes for trump other than possibly shaking a few things up; I don't think it will ultimately matter who is elected, they've been figure heads for a long time now and nothing else.

This is all fun and games now ...

But i can't even imagine where these presidential front runner might next lead the country ?

[Calz]

But i can't even imagine where these presidential front runner might next lead the country ?




Robot Rubio is big time neocon ... Hillary is simply evil.

Either case ... yes ... no more fun and games to be had (at least until our lifetime review when we find out just what the heck hit us ...)

As always ... imho

[East Sun]

~We still need to eliminate those counting machines.... How are we going to do that/???

Otherwise your vote does not count or will not be counted.

If that is not done I will say ---- We are dumb beyond belief...............

[Calz]

~We still need to eliminate those counting machines.... How are we going to do that/???

Otherwise your vote does not count or will not be counted.

If that is not done I will say ---- We are dumb beyond belief...............


The primaries are way full of tricks ... as has been discussed.

When it gets down to the actual election yes it comes down to voting machines and others sorts of trickery/fraud.

However ...

As far as I know it much harder to rig the actual presidential election than the primaries ...

If Trump were to win by a big margin then it would be *real* hard to cover.


... without starting a revolution which it appears is what "they" want anyway.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

~We still need to eliminate those counting machines.... How are we going to do that/???

Otherwise your vote does not count or will not be counted.

If that is not done I will say ---- We are dumb beyond belief...............






The primaries are way full of tricks ... as has been discussed.

When it gets down to the actual election yes it comes down to voting machines and others sorts of trickery/fraud.

However ...

As far as I know it much harder to rig the actual presidential election than the primaries ...

If Trump were to win by a big margin then it would be *real* hard to cover.


... without starting a revolution which it appears is what "they" want anyway.

The only way to get rid of compromised software in the voting machines is vote online using software that is examined, audited, tested, before and after the election.

Proprietary software not allowed. Use only open source software.

If we can bank online we can vote online.

[Calz]

The only way to get rid of compromised software in the voting machines is vote online using software that is examined, audited, tested, before and after the election.

Proprietary software not allowed. Use only open source software.

If we can bank online we can vote online.




Ron ... if Trump can make it past the primaries into the actual election then if anyone is ready to fight the fraud then it is this guy ... right?

[ZooLife]

Isn't it a wonderful thing that we have choice?

Will that be paper or plastic, sir?

http://www.myessentia.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/plastic-vs-paper-bag.jpg

http://img.ifcdn.com/images/28d662424c930907ab59874e215c9daa3f4f9561eefdae8d99c54e234d3a7336_1.jpg

[enfoldedblue]

I don't understand why people think that TPTB would perceive Trump as a threat. I think they would more likely be mildly entertained by his antics. He is playing an excellent game of divide and conquer ....promoting hate and fear....perfectly in line with the wider agenda. If someone was being very successful at promoting love and tolerance ...this would probably worry them.

[T Smith]

I don't understand why people think that TPTB would perceive Trump as a threat. I think they would more likely be mildly entertained by his antics. He is playing an excellent game of divide and conquer ....promoting hate and fear....perfectly in line with the wider agenda. If someone was being very successful at promoting love and tolerance ...this would probably worry them.

The reasoning (of some people) goes something like this:

Trump is a nationalist and opposes the globalist neo-feudalist agenda. National sovereignty has never been a threat to TPTB, as long as the plebs are the ones who entertain the idea, and it can even be advantageous to the NWO agenda when used as a manipulation tactic to control the masses. But for the so-called "elected" leader of the flagship power center of the NWO to seriously take on nationalist notions is quite another thing. Especially when said leader is an unpredictable wild card, off the leash, so to speak, who could easily incite the sensibilities of an entire nation by pulling the curtain back on said agenda. What was once a quaint notion beheld in the managed-minds of the masses could easily turn into an uncontrollable situation.

There is a tacit understanding among all politicians that so-called elected officials of high office have no real power, save for the power on paper, but here is someone (or so the reasoning goes) who has every intent to execute the power granted on paper to check the NWO agenda.

Whether or not this reasoning is sound, or whether or not this is truly Donald Trump's intention is entirely another thing. Personally I think the wildcard element is probably somewhat unsettling to TPTB. For control freaks not to have some say over outcome (positive or negative) must be unsettling.

[bettye198]

Put all the garbage on TV, including the alien agendas in shows and then slap Trump and his suspicious lying cronies and you might have a new screen to look at. We are at the pivotal road, where we may be shocked into dismay with a forceful hand. You know, the Hansel and Gretel story with the alluring sweets? Only this is sweet talk. And never has this amounted to what we citizens have hoped for.

[Calz]

Put all the garbage on TV, including the alien agendas in shows and then slap Trump and his suspicious lying cronies and you might have a new screen to look at. We are at the pivotal road, where we may be shocked into dismay with a forceful hand. You know, the Hansel and Gretel story with the alluring sweets? Only this is sweet talk. And never has this amounted to what we citizens have hoped for.

Interesting post ... thank you.

Yes ... well ... what exactly have the Feds done with all those monies over the last 50 or more years for the American people???

Not talking state or city level.


What has the federal government done for the people aside for creating a dependent society (food stamps, welfare ... CONTROL)?


Yes let's let in millions and promise them so many freebies (that those who work for a living pay for) and they will vote for us again and again.


Quite the scam eh?

[Chester]

was the order given?

https://vine.co/v/i6nVWE19XOx

[onawah]

From Robert Reich's FB page today
https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/?fref=nf
Richmond, CA, United States


·
Regardless of how well Bernie does today, the media will say Hillary is now the Democratic candidate. Baloney. The "momentum" theory of politics is based on momentum stories the media itself generates. Don’t succumb to the “momentum” game. Regardless of what happens today, this race is still very much alive, for at least 3 reasons:
1. In the next few months the primary map starts tilting in Bernie’s favor: In later March: Maine, Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Illinois, Arizona, Washington state, and Hawaii. In April: Wisconsin, New York, Connecticut, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island. In May: Indiana and Oregon. In June, California, New Jersey, and New Mexico.
2, Small-donor contributions continue to flow in to Bernie's campaign. In February, the campaign raised a whopping $42 million. South Carolina’s loss didn’t stop the flow: The campaign received $6 million on Monday alone.
3. Bernie's campaign is a movement. Americans know we must get big money out of politics and take back our economy from an incipient oligarchy. That’s why Bernie will take this movement all the way to the Democratic convention in, July 25-28 in Philadelphia (you might make plans to be there, too).
What do you think?

Robert Bernard Reich is an American political commentator, professor, and author. He served in the administrations of Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter and was Secretary of Labor under President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 1997.Reich is currently Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California, Berkeley. He was formerly a professor at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government and professor of social and economic policy at the Heller School for Social Policy and Management of Brandeis University. He has also been a contributing editor of The New Republic, The American Prospect (also chairman and founding editor), Harvard Business Review, The Atlantic, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal.

[Calz]

was the order given?

https://vine.co/v/i6nVWE19XOx


Saw that Sam :)

Decided against posting it but that was a good way of doing it.

[araucaria]

America’s greatest (i.e. biggest) gift to the rest of the world has been what Greg Palast calls “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy” http://www.gregpalast.com/

[ozmirage]

America’s greatest (i.e. biggest) gift to the rest of the world has been what Greg Palast calls “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy” http://www.gregpalast.com/
That is anathema to the REAL gift to the world - the republican form of government.
Ironically, the one nation that has a republican form (no connection with "republic" nor "constitution") is a mystery to the majority of its people.

After decades of deliberate obfuscation and indoctrination, not 1 in 100,000 Americans can define it nor its source. {That's about 3,200!}

We're doomed.

[ozmirage]

IF AMERICANS UNDERSTOOD THEIR BIRTHRIGHT
- - -

THE MOST ACCURATE AND SMALLEST POLITICAL QUIZ

Do you wish to be :
● SOVEREIGN - under the republican form of government, or
● SUBJECT - under the democratic form of government?
=\=\=\=


"... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are SOVEREIGNS WITHOUT SUBJECTS, and have none to govern but themselves."
- - - Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463

In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
- - - Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)

= - = - = - =


"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law ..."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)
= - = - = - =

Sovereigns (people) have endowed rights, liberties, and powers.
Subjects (citizens) have government granted privileges and immunities, BUT waived their endowment in exchange.


At one time, Americans were aware of the difference... before national socialism (1930s)
.................................................................
ALIEN, n. An American sovereign in his probationary state.
- - - - “The Devil’s Dictionary” (1906), by Ambrose Bierce
(download available from gutenberg.org)
.................................................................

P.S. - there is no such thing as a "sovereign citizen" (oxymoron).

[Calz]

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2016/03/economist-trump.jpg


The Council On Foreign Relations Declares War On Donald Trump-His Days Are Numbered

Tuesday, March 1, 2016 6:08


This is the caricature of Trump that ran in the mouthpiece of the Council of Foreign Relations, The Economist. Since when does the self-proclaimed righteous defender of the elite, founded by John Rockefeller, lower themselves to such blatant and childish mudslinging? They don’t, and this behavior is representative of a departure of tactics employed by the elite. And the fact that elite are approaching such a state of desperation, near-panic, if you will, all options are on the table. Again, I say, the elite are proclaiming that all options are on the table when it comes to the fate of Donald Trump.

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is their choice and has always been their choice to follow Obama into the White House, with her criminal behavior notwithstanding.


http://commondreams.org/sites/default/files/views-article/thumbs/clinton_mess.jpg


The Council of Foreign Relations is no longer a secret, as it once was, and this is who Hillary Clinton serves. Look at the background behind Mrs. Clinton. This is how the CFR gives tacit approval. No matter how criminal, no matter how long the trail of bodies becomes, the CFR is “all in” for their support of America’s modern day version of Lizzy Borden.

As an average American, anytime the CFR, or its first cousin, the Trilateral Commission endorses a candidate, no matter how subtle the endorsement, I assume it is opposite day and move in the other direction.


much more:

http://beforeitsnews.com/police-state/2016/03/the-council-on-foreign-relations-declares-war-on-donald-trump-his-days-are-numbered-2960.html

[Calz]

Ya think???

Refreshingly honest interview.

_____________


Huckabee: Trump Phenomenon is a ‘Peaceful Overthrow of the Government’

Be glad it's with "ballots not bullets," says former Governor

Paul Joseph Watson - March 2, 2016


Former Governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee told Fox News this morning that Donald Trump’s success represents a peaceful “overthrow of the government” and that the Republican establishment should be glad it’s being achieved with “ballots not bullets”.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hVlqRFbDTA


Huckabee, who has not officially endorsed Trump, told Fox & Friends that “people in Washington need to recognize the reason that Trump is winning is because they (his supporters) feel like people in Washington have helped them lose and they’re sick of it.”

“The donor class runs the political environment in this country and people are waking up to that and they are tired of it,” added the former presidential candidate.

“That’s what this election is largely about, it’s an overthrow of the government….we ought to be glad that it is a peaceful revolution with ballots rather than one with bullets,” said Huckabee, adding that the Trump phenomenon was a “political revolution in the Republican Party and in the country.”

Huckabee accused the Republican establishment of “bed-wetting” over Trump by treating his voters as stupid while trying to select a presidential candidate rather than let the American people elect one.

The former Governor said that Trump’s supporters were coming out in droves to support him because “they’re angry at the very establishment who is going nuts because Donald Trump is doing so well – and they don’t get it that they are the problem.”

Huckabee made his comments in response to Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell forcefully denouncing Trump over the David Duke controversy.


http://www.infowars.com/huckabee-trump-phenomenon-is-a-peaceful-overthrow-of-the-government/

[T Smith]

From Robert Reich's FB page today
https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/?fref=nf
Richmond, CA, United States


·
Regardless of how well Bernie does today, the media will say Hillary is now the Democratic candidate. Baloney. The "momentum" theory of politics is based on momentum stories the media itself generates. Don’t succumb to the “momentum” game. Regardless of what happens today, this race is still very much alive, for at least 3 reasons:
1. In the next few months the primary map starts tilting in Bernie’s favor: In later March: Maine, Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Illinois, Arizona, Washington state, and Hawaii. In April: Wisconsin, New York, Connecticut, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island. In May: Indiana and Oregon. In June, California, New Jersey, and New Mexico.
2, Small-donor contributions continue to flow in to Bernie's campaign. In February, the campaign raised a whopping $42 million. South Carolina’s loss didn’t stop the flow: The campaign received $6 million on Monday alone.
3. Bernie's campaign is a movement. Americans know we must get big money out of politics and take back our economy from an incipient oligarchy. That’s why Bernie will take this movement all the way to the Democratic convention in, July 25-28 in Philadelphia (you might make plans to be there, too).
What do you think?

Robert Bernard Reich is an American political commentator, professor, and author. He served in the administrations of Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter and was Secretary of Labor under President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 1997.Reich is currently Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California, Berkeley. He was formerly a professor at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government and professor of social and economic policy at the Heller School for Social Policy and Management of Brandeis University. He has also been a contributing editor of The New Republic, The American Prospect (also chairman and founding editor), Harvard Business Review, The Atlantic, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal.

It sounds to me like Robert Bernard Reich doesn't understand how the system works. Hillary Clinton is already the nominee. Not because the media says so, or because of the momentum theory of politics, but because the DNC itself is a criminal cabal that rigs outcomes, when necessary, to suit their agenda. It's usually not necessary (rule #12, use selective honesty to disarm your victim), but when it is, electronic voter fraud and the democratic party's delegate system come in very handy. Hillary Clinton has already bribed, blackmailed, or threatened over half the super delegates to vote for her, regardless of how the people vote. The other half will likely vote in line with the people -- but hey, that's where Diebold comes in.

Unless Bernie Sanders can win all these upcoming States in a significant landslide (and I'm not entirely convinced he's not winning already) the votes simply don't matter. Diebold can produce any result the DNC and the Clinton crime syndicate deem fit.

We all may be feeling the Bern, but PTB, who write this script, certainly aren't.

[Calz]

GOP is essentially the same openly talking about getting rid of Trump with a brokered convention.

Lot of evidence of voter fraud in the "super Tuesday" elections.

Despite the fact that Trump won most of the states unless he controls over 50% of the delegates by the time the convention comes the GOP will simply steal it from him.

Voter be damned.


First 16 minutes has some good information about not only the election but also how China is violating it's agreements with the globalists.

Good rundown on how the whole global system has been set up going back about 50 years.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkO3TFrPCv4

[Chester]

At the UK bookmakers Hillary jumped from a 6 - 5 favorite to almost a 2 - 1 favorite in the last few days to win it all.

[onawah]

...Unless Hillary's lies gets too much exposure
Hillary Clinton Pushes Colombia Free Trade Agreement In Latest Email Dump
BY DAVID SIROTA AND SARAH BERGER ON 02/26/16 AT 9:23 PM
http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-pushes-colombia-free-trade-agreement-latest-email-dump-2326068

On the eve of South Carolina’s Democratic presidential primary, the U.S. State Department released 1,500 pages of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton’s emails from her tenure as secretary of state. Included in the 881 emails published Friday night are messages highlighting Clinton lobbying for a controversial Colombian trade deal she previously pledged to oppose.

During her 2008 presidential run, Clinton said she opposed the deal because “I am very concerned about the history of violence against trade unionists in Colombia.” She later declared, “I oppose the deal. I have spoken out against the deal, I will vote against the deal, and I will do everything I can to urge the Congress to reject the Colombia Free Trade Agreement.”

But newly released emails show that as secretary of state, Clinton was personally lobbying Democratic members of Congress to support the deal, even promising one senior lawmaker that the deal would extend labor protections to Colombian workers that would be as good or better than those enjoyed by many workers in the United States.

One of the 2011 emails from Clinton to U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman and Clinton aide Robert Hormats has a subject line “Sandy Levin” — a reference to the Democratic congressman who serves on the House Ways and Means Committee, which oversees U.S. trade policy. In the email detailing her call with Levin, she said the Michigan lawmaker “appreciates the changes that have been made, the national security arguments and Santos's reforms” -- the latter presumably a reference to Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos. She concludes the message about the call with Levin by saying, “I told him that at the rate we were going, Columbian [sic] workers were going to end up w the same or better rights than workers in Wisconsin and Indiana and, maybe even, Michigan.”

Froman — a former Citigroup executive who as trade representative was lobbying for passage of the deal — responded by thanking Clinton for her "help and support.” Hormats, a former vice chairman of Goldman Sachs who subsequently was hired by Clinton at the State Department, later chimed in, telling her “terrific job” and “GREAT line on Columbian [sic] workers!!!!!”


Only a few months later, labor leaders contacted the Obama administration -- including the Clinton-led State Department -- raising concerns about what they said was abuse of union activists in Colombia, including against workers at a company linked to a major Clinton Foundation donor. The administration nonetheless moved forward with the trade agreement for Colombia.

Despite Clinton’s 2011 assurances to Levin that Colombian workers would get strong labor protections, union officials say violence against workers remains a significant problem in that South American country. A 2015 AFL-CIO report citing data from Colombia’s National Union School asserted that “in the four years since the United States and Colombia signed the Labor Action Plan — a precursor to the U.S.-Colombia Free Trade Agreement — to address entrenched labor rights violations, Colombian workers have suffered more than 1,933 threats and acts of violence, including 105 assassinations of union activists and 1,337 death threats.”

The majority of the emails published Friday night were classified as “confidential,” the lowest level, while almost two-dozen were classified as "secret” and another 22 were deemed “top secret,” which is the highest level of classification. The top secret emails were reportedly too dangerous to release to the public.

A State Department official said that none of the 88 classified emails released in Friday night’s batch had been deemed classified at the time they were sent. Clinton has been embroiled in a controversy surrounding the use of her private server during her time as secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. The email dumps, which are in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, have sparked a battle between the State Department and U.S. intelligence agencies, as well as Congress, over what information on Clinton’s server was classified and what was the routine business of American diplomacy, the New York Times previously reported.

Friday’s email disclosures also marked the second-to-last release from the State Department, and under the terms of a court order earlier this month, the department is required to publish the last of the 35,000 emails Monday, just one day before the Super Tuesday primaries and caucuses. In order to meet the deadline, federal officials have planned to work through the weekend.

"We’re still reviewing them – a lot of them, frankly,” State Department spokesman Mark Toner said, as the Hill reported. “Going to be working hard through the weekend.”

[TargeT]

At the UK bookmakers Hillary jumped from a 6 - 5 favorite to almost a 2 - 1 favorite in the last few days to win it all.

I don't even know what that means... haha, she's twice as likely as her opponent to win?

[Calz]

At the UK bookmakers Hillary jumped from a 6 - 5 favorite to almost a 2 - 1 favorite in the last few days to win it all.

I don't even know what that means... haha, she's twice as likely as her opponent to win?

Unless Hillary drops dead ... she will win ... that simple.

Caveat of course unless the "emergency" scenario (of which there are multiple and easily implemented) prompts keeping Obummer in office.

Don't think it could happen???

Hmmm ...

[Shannon]

At the UK bookmakers Hillary jumped from a 6 - 5 favorite to almost a 2 - 1 favorite in the last few days to win it all.

After the Super Tuesday primary, the question "how easy is it to move to Canada" was the highest Google search of the night in America ...

Lol :)

[Calz]

At the UK bookmakers Hillary jumped from a 6 - 5 favorite to almost a 2 - 1 favorite in the last few days to win it all.

After the Super Tuesday primary, the question "how easy is it to move to Canada" was the highest Google search of the night in America ...

Lol :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_KmNZNT5xw


I only voted once ... I was so appalled by the first cowboy bush/cheney/rumsfield term I simply had to offer my simple meaningless vote.

Many left for Canada then.


I don't think Canada is far behind these days ... although they once were.


Point being ... I don't thing moving to Canada ... or anywhere unless you have your own underground bunker in a remote portion of the world .... matters.

[Bingo]

Great thread Calz. Thanks. What do you think will happen if the FBI indicts Hill? Will our fellow citizens vote for someone who is going through a criminal trial?

[Calz]

No idea Bingo ... above my paygrade "clearance" (of zero) :)

[ljwheat]

Well the monster of NWO jabbing Romney to sacrifice him self to give a warning shot across Trumps Camp bow.... Hitting the wall of popular opinion of the american people was in effect a dud , landing Trump even more support from this prison nation ---- that are waking up to the corruption with the media and the inner belt way of crooks..

I fear the next false flag, will be shutting of the power switch to USA, Trump is small fish, compared to the Giant of the people who have woke up! Th Media lobbyists squawking at us has been openly shown..

If this should happen I want to thank Bill Ryan and this sight for all the world of knowledge and volume of caring people over the years have brought truth freedom of thought and idea's to bare. Well done.. Much love and respect to all.. be safe were ever you are and yours..:shielddeflect:

[Calz]

This election cycle has made quite clear how corrupt it is.

The "super delegates" and "brokered conventions" are not new ... but is being brought painfully clear to those who were not aware.


Me thinks that is a good thing.


When someone wins the popular vote by 22% (60-38) and has no delegates to show for it then ... yes ... wake up amerika ... what will it take.



Yes Romney will be brought to bear ... not to run but rather to add to the delegate stealing from Trump.


No stones will be left unturned.

[Matisse]

Donald Trump is a great salesman... he is great at selling condoms that he knows they will never build,... I love political incorectness... that is the apeal....
but when you are just making an info-commercial I don,t see any honesty nor courage.... that being said.... between Hillary and Trump I only can hope that "god have mercy on us"
watch this ... DnpO_RTSNmQ

[Calz]

Thank you ... very funny vid and I like that.


I addressed it in the thread where it appeared.


So ... we are hoping for Hillary then???


Where do you prefer your chip to be implanted??? (short version ... I grow weary)

[Matisse]

Thank you ... very funny vid and I like that.


I addressed it in the thread where it appeared.


So ... we are hoping for Hillary then???


Where do you prefer your chip to be implanted??? (short version ... I grow weary)

neither one... that is what makes me feel so sad.......

[Calz]

Thank you ... very funny vid and I like that.


I addressed it in the thread where it appeared.


So ... we are hoping for Hillary then???


Where do you prefer your chip to be implanted??? (short version ... I grow weary)

neither one... that is what makes me feel so sad.......

Don't feel sad.

What we have is an unique experience for mankind.

... you buying that???


Well actually it is true even if it doesn't currently make you feel warm and fuzzy inside.


I'll stop there ... no position ...

[East Sun]

Why would anyone think that Trump would be let win...We know that it's rigged and we know how it will turn out, regardless of anything and everything..

The whole thing is sickening to the extreme..........

[Rocky_Shorz]

Mitt Romney, the man who made Billions laundering drug money for the Bush/CIA Cartel doesn't like Trump?

One more reason I do...

[Chester]

At the UK bookmakers Hillary jumped from a 6 - 5 favorite to almost a 2 - 1 favorite in the last few days to win it all.

I don't even know what that means... haha, she's twice as likely as her opponent to win?

Translated to percentages, she currently has a 67% chance to win based on people's money (bets).

Polls mean nothing... follow the odds of the book makers and you'll have a better idea of the reality.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winner

[Chester]

Thank you ... very funny vid and I like that.


I addressed it in the thread where it appeared.


So ... we are hoping for Hillary then???


Where do you prefer your chip to be implanted??? (short version ... I grow weary)

wherever I might wish my chip, I probably don't have to worry about Hillary wanting to put it there...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Mitt Romney, the man who made Billions laundering drug money for the Bush/CIA Cartel doesn't like Trump?

One more reason I do...

Sorcha's update...

Donald Trump Freemasonic Forces Target Marco Rubio-Jeb Bush “Cocaine Empire”

The stunning nearly 500 page report (we had previously reported on) prepared for the Security Council (SC) by the Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU), Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) and Federal Security Service (FSB) detailing the ongoing coup d'état launched against the “shadow government” currently ruling the United States, is further revealing that the “cocaine empire” run by Florida governor Jeb Bush and his protégé US Senator Marco Rubio has now become a “target for destruction” by the combined Freemasonic forces being led by billionaire Donald Trump and his paternal Scottish 6th cousin Chris Christie.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/mmrr3.jpg

According to this report, the Rubio-Bush “cocaine empire” being targeted for destruction by Trump’s Freemasonic forces was first formed in the late 1980’s by the Bush Crime Family after their murdering of the legendary Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) drug smuggler and ace pilot (who had literally worked for the Agency since he was a teenage pilot prodigy in the late 1950’s,) Barry Seal on 19 February 1986.

Seal’s murder, this report continues, has long been concealed by the American “shadow government”, but whose details are:

“Barry Seal was having legal problems (criminal and a huge IRS tax liability) that not even his CIA connections could protect him from and according to Seal’s lawyer Lewis Unglesby, Barry Seal was a threat to testify against Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush. In fact, in early 1986 Barry Seal was threatening GHW Bush to get the IRS off his back or he (Seal) was going to blow the whistle on the Contra scheme and CIA drug smuggling.

Two weeks after his argument with Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush, Barry Seal was pumped full of bullets and murdered outside his Baton Rouge halfway house on Feb. 19, 1986. The three Colombians who were convicted of the crime thought they were working for Lt. Col. Oliver North of the National Security Council. North’s alias in the 1980’s was “John Cathey.” The personal phone number of George Herbert Walker Bush was found in Seal’s possessions, even after the “men in black” had swept in to pick car of the slaughtered CIA drug smuggler clean of evidence. Years later, Texas Gov. George W. Bush was literally being flown around in what had been the favorite plane of Barry Seal.”

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/mmrr4.jpg

With Seal then dead, this report notes, the Bush Crime Family moved swiftly to take over the lucrative South Florida drug cartel Barry Seal delivered cocaine to targeting, in 1987, Cuban drug kingpin Mario Tabraue and his top captain Orlando Cicilia—who was, and still is, married to US Senator Marco Rubio’s older sister Barbara.

In taking down the Tabraue-Cicilia drug cartel, SVR analysts in this report state, these two kingpins were charged with many crimes, including the brutal torture death, dismemberment and incineration of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) agent Larry Nash—and which on 6 February 1989, Mario Tabraue was sentenced to 100 years, and Orlando Cicilia (Senator Marco Rubio’s brother-in-law) was sentenced to 35 years.


http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/mmrr5.jpg
Drug kingpin and crime boss of Marco Rubio’s brother-in-law Orlando Cicilia, Mario Tabraue


http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/mmrr6.jpg
Screenshot from a Univision Investigation shows Marco Rubio’s sister, Barbara, and her husband, Orlando Cicilia (second from right)



Upon President George W. Bush taking office in 2001, this report continues, both Mario Tabraue and Orlando Cicilia were released from prison (Tabraue in 2003 and Cicilia in 2001), decades before their sentences were completed and put under the “care and control” of Jeb Bush in Florida—and whose major role in this “cocaine empire” was laundering its funds through his Texas Commerce Bank holdings located in the US and Venezuela.

Critical to note about both Mario Tabraue and Orlando Cecilia, an FSB addendum to this report says, are that American “shadow government” disinformation/propaganda tactics have been deployed on the internet attempting to hide true facts regarding them in order to protect the Bush Crime Family—such as the encyclopedia website Wikipedia suddenly deleting last year their pages on Mario Tabraue and DEA agent Larry Nash, US magazine Newsweek lying to its readers about the sentence and release date, the US magazine Mother Jones, likewise, lying about the sentence and release date, leaving only the Washington Post refusing to lie to its readers and correctly stating: “Tabraue got 100 years in prison but would be released early in 2003 after serving 14 years.”

The Washington Post, the FSB further documents in this report, also provided the “central reason” for the Bush Crime Family helping Senator Rubio’s brother-in-law Orlando Cicilia by stating about him: “Cicilia received 35 years, the second-longest sentence, and the jury found him responsible for $15 million in drug sales. The money has never been found.”

SVR intelligence analysts, however, in this report detail, that their search of international banking transactions of the millions of dollars belonging to Orlando Cicilia that were “never found” had, in fact, been paid out to Jeb Bush over a five year period beginning in May 1990—the same month and year that Cicilia’s brother-in-law, Marco Rubio, had been arrested by police in Florida while engaged in “suspicious activity” in a park frequented by homosexuals.

To the young Marco Rubio needing help after his arrest, this report continues, there is not doubt as his homosexual lifestyle was well known—particularly his frequenting of what were called “foam parties” where large numbers of naked men “played” together in water, and his living in what was known locally as a “coke house”.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/mmrr2.jpg
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/mmrr1.jpg

Under Jeb Bush’s “guidance”, this report continues, Marco Rubio was trained to be a captain in this “cocaine empire” as one of their main legal advisor-negotiators, and when the Bush Crime Family took notice of his exceptional speaking skills, they then launched him upon his “political path”—and which, stunningly, upon his ascending to the powerful position of majority whip of the Florida House of Representatives, he used his official position to urge state regulators to grant a real estate license to his drug kingpin brother-in-law Orlando Cicilia.

Important to note too, an interesting GRU addendum to this report says, is that like the Freemasonic forces being led today against this Rubio-Bush “cocaine empire” and the American “shadow government” that profits from their illegal drug trafficking, so did American billionaire Ross Perot, in 1992, attempt to destroying them too stating about the Bush Crime Family: “When you look into the [Vietnam POW] prisoner cover-up, you find government officials in the drug trade who can’t break themselves of the habit. What I have found is a snake pit [CIA drug smuggling] without a bottom. They will do anything to keep this covered up.”

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/mmrr7.jpg

With the Bush Crime Family “primed to murder him”, this report concludes, Ross Perot was, indeed warned a “hit squad” had been contracted to assassinate him or his family causing him quit his US presidential bid to stop these monsters and saying that it was “a risk I would not take where my daughter is concerned”—but which the Freemasonic forces led by Donald Trump have no apparent fear of now. link (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2008.htm)


Why is Naval Intelligence bringing this info forward?

Pentagon vs CIA battle continues...

[Eric J (Viking)]

Interesting snip here....is he part of the plan?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JgnAWY0RoeE&feature=youtu.be

Viking

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I already got the feeling even before reading what you posted, Rocky, that Rubio was somebody's sex servant before he got into politics. Granted, those pictures are not totally convincing, especially the one that only shows the side of someone's head (how the hell can anyone tell who that is?), but the idea itself is something that I suspect is absolutely true. His sister being married to an infamous drug smuggler is interesting as well.

[Calz]

One would think this alone would be good cause for voting for Trump.

Stop and think about it for a second. Has amerika become so numb to war??? Ho hum ... so "over there".

I got news ... WW3 ain't just gonna be "over there" ...

___________



Donald Trump Is The Only Candidate Not Calling For WW3

Syrian Girl points out that Trump is the least war-hungry candidate.

Kit Daniels, David Knight & Lee Ann McAdoo | Infowars.com - March 2, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a90gGPYThJ0

[MorningSong]

Regarding the Koch bro's, I jsut saw this:


Koch brothers will not use funds to try to block Trump nomination
Politics | Thu Mar 3, 2016 7:17pm EST
NEW YORK | By Michelle Conlin

The Koch brothers, the most powerful conservative mega donors in the United States, will not use their $400 million political arsenal to try to block Republican front-runner Donald Trump's path to the presidential nomination, a spokesman told Reuters on Wednesday.

The decision by the billionaire industrialists is another setback to Republican establishment efforts to derail the New York real estate mogul's bid for the White House, and follows speculation the Kochs would soon launch a "Trump Intervention."

"We have no plans to get involved in the primary," said James Davis, spokesman for Freedom Partners, the Koch brothers’ political umbrella group. He would not elaborate on what the brothers' strategy would be for the Nov. 8 election to succeed Democratic President Barack Obama.

Three sources close to the Kochs said the brothers made the decision because they were concerned that spending millions of dollars attacking Trump would be money wasted, since they had not yet seen any attack on Trump stick.

The Koch brothers are also smarting from the millions of dollars they pumped into the failed 2012 Republican presidential bids of Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney, the sources said.

Donors and media reports have speculated since January, when the Kochs gathered 500 of America’s wealthiest political donors at a California resort, that they would deploy their vast political network to target Trump.

The Kochs oppose his protectionist trade rhetoric and hardline views on immigration - which include building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico and deporting millions of illegal immigrants.

Many Republican figures and business backers are eager to see Trump, a political outsider who has tapped into rising anti-establishment sentiment, fail in his bid for the nomination. They prefer instead a more traditional candidate like U.S. Senator Marco Rubio of Florida.

But with Trump racking up a series of wins in the early nominating contests against opponents including Rubio and U.S. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, there is a growing sense of inevitability that he will win the party's mantle.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-koch-exclusive-idUSMTZSAPEC32FPEGCF?=rrpromo

[TargeT]

Interesting snip here....is he part of the plan?
JgnAWY0RoeE

Viking

Well that's interesting, but I'd not say totally conclusive.... he might have been just enjoying the sound of his own voice and waxed whimsical with his metaphors.

[Calz]

This ***absolutely*** kicks ass!!!

OMG!

http://i2.ifrm.com/16291/85/emo/angry-old-man-smiley-emoticon.gif

________


DEAR RNC: An Everyday American Writes A Letter To Explain The Trump Phenomenon To The Washington Elite

We’re sick of politicians. We’re sick of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party

Live Leak - March 4, 2016


This letter was sent to 100% FED Up! by an anonymous author:

It doesn’t matter who you support for President in 2016. This letter will make you want to stand up and cheer for the 80 year old American who expresses what most of us are feeling right now. Enjoy…



Dear Representative,


From the time I was able to vote I voted Republican. I am 80 years old, and have a great deal of respect and influence with hundreds of senior ball players who also network with thousands of others around the country.

I received your questionnaire and request for money and strongly agree with every question, as I have since Obama was elected. Unfortunately the one question that was missing is “What have the Republicans done for the American people?” We gave you a majority in the House and Senate, yet you never listened to us. Now you want our money.

You should be more concerned about our votes, not our money. You are the establishment, which means all you want is to save your jobs and line your pockets… Well guess what? “It’s not going to happen” You shake in your boots when I tell you we’re giving our support to TRUMP and he hasn’t asked for a dime.


You might think we are fools because you feel Trump is on a self destruction course, but you need to look beyond Washington and listen to the masses. Nobody has achieved what he has, especially in the liberal state of New York.

You clearly don’t understand why the Trump movement is so strong, so I’d like to share with you an analogy to help explain the Trump phenomenon. By the way, it’s not just the Republicans who feel ignored and disrespected, there are plenty of Democrats and Independents who also feel let down by the Washington elite. You seem to have forgotten about “We The People” and who hired you to represent us.

So here it is, the best analogy I could come up with. Here is the reason so many Americans have boarded the Trump Train, and why you’re pleas to come back to the party who deserted us, is falling on deaf ears:


You’ve been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoons. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons have overtaken your basement. You want them gone immediately…You call the city and four different exterminators, but nobody could handle the job. There is this one guy however, who guarantees you he will get rid of them, so you hire him. You don’t care if the guy smells, you don’t care if the guy swears, you don’t care how many times he’s been married, you don’t care if he was friends with liberals, you don’t care if he has plumber’s crack…you simply want those raccoons gone! You want your problem fixed! He’s the guy. He’s the best. Period. Here’s why we want Trump: Yes he’s a bit of an ass, yes he’s an egomaniac, but we don’t care. The country is a mess because politicians have become too self-serving. The Republican Party is two-faced & gutless. Illegal aliens have been allowed to invade our nation. We want it all fixed! We don’t care that Trump is crude, we don’t care that he insults people, we don’t care that he had been friendly with Hillary, we don’t care that he has changed positions, we don’t care that he’s been married three times, we don’t care that he fights with Megan Kelly and Rosie O’Donnell, we don’t care that he doesn’t know the name of some Muslim terrorist.

This country is weak, bankrupt, our enemies are making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegal aliens and bringing tens of thousands of Muslim refugees to America, while leaving Christians behind to be persecuted. We are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo and Hasid is part of a special group with special rights, to the point where we don’t even recognize the country we were born and raised in; “AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED” and Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want.

We’re sick of politicians. We’re sick of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. We just want this thing fixed. Trump may not be a saint, but he isn’t beholden to lobbyist money and he doesn’t have political correctness restraining him. All we know is that he has been very successful, he’s an excellent negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he’s also not a politician. He’s definitely not a cowardly politician. When he says he’ll fix it, we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong or looked at and called a liar.

Oh yeah…I forgot…we don’t care if the guy has bad hair either.

We just want those raccoons gone.

Out of your house.

NOW!


http://www.infowars.com/dear-rnc-an-everyday-american-writes-a-letter-to-explain-the-trump-phenomenon-to-the-washington-elite/

[Limor Wolf]

It's interesting to see how much energy is put on this thread reviewing the 'Democratic US elections' with at times a shred of faith still relaying on an extremely diseased sytem and very sick participants. Has a hidden hand deleted our memories and understandings to do with the inns and outs of how those systems are built and on what foundations of severe mind control and manipulations are they on, read the energy signatures of the characters in question and after a slight feeling of nausea we are all invited to guess on the percentage of freedom of spiritual sovereignity or anything that resembles sincerety with those preposterous characters, overrun with a slick oily empty meaningless promisses. Such short is our memories...

Obama's 'Dawn of a new day' marketing style and campagin slogan ' Change we can believe in' so very much comes again to mind, and our energies still flows over there... quite incredible really. These are my 2 minutes waste of time which are coming to an end. You can stay and play (on their own energy game) if you like.

Bon Appetit!

[Calz]

Thank you Limor .... I respect your voice as much as any on the forum.

I've never been a political person ... and normally I would agree 100%.

This is ... *different* ... this isn't Obummer (or list 100 other politicians).


Clear what the globalists are doing ... no need to repeat.


Normally politicians will say anything to get elected and once in office conveniently forget.


NWO is ready to roll. Everything has been well prepared. Laws have been passed the world over.


I am happy to lend my energy to the less than 1% chance we can still stop it.

[genevieve]

I don't vote but am intrigued by the whole show--especially by the Trump phenomenon.

I listen often to Stefan Molyneux and appreciate his way of investigating things, and perhaps this video will interest you all as well. It's 1 hour 13 minutes, or so, and focuses on how MSM spins stories, which made me wonder about John Oliver's sources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8c2Cq-vpg



And here's Bill Still's brief (6 or so minutes) and interesting report on the media spin about Trump University:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82Hmf0a5c7o


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve



OFF TOPIC:
I wish more people would wake up to the fact what most people regard as our government is just a corporation, like Wal-Mart, and the reason we're all subjected to their rules/laws/taxes/BS is because, by saying we're US citizens, we claim to be one of their employees and have to do what our bosses say.

For more information about this, please read Anna von Reitz's info here: http://annavonreitz.com/

For a summary of what's happened/is happening, read the 3-page article by Reitz: #58--The specific details of how you were defrauded.

[Limor Wolf]

Thank you Limor .... I respect your voice as much as any on the forum.

I've never been a political person ... and normally I would agree 100%.

This is ... *different* ... this isn't Obummer (or list 100 other politicians).


Clear what the globalists are doing ... no need to repeat.


Normally politicians will say anything to get elected and once in office conveniently forget.


NWO is ready to roll. Everything has been well prepared. Laws have been passed the world over.


I am happy to lend my energy to the less than 1% chance we can still stop it.

Calz, I understand. While I was thinking on how to reply to you, I was reading this paragraph in a book by Elisa E:


"Benevolent, Unconditional, Creative Love, an energy that never negates, knows no duality and always is now and forever, is our salvation. It's very presence allows Creation to unfold. It is the source of the Benevolent human soul, It's only true nature. Through masterful manipulation, the human soul has been captured and malevolence has veiled our Love, usurped it, and used it as an energy source.

It all began long ago, Manipulation was used to gain access over human minds and they have been alter-ing the human body to suit their needs ever since. Some ideas held in human minds are not their own but constructs of malevolent design that allows malevolence to maintain the appearence of being all-powerful when the truth is that Unconditional Love, the path to freedom out from under this kontrol, lies within the Benevolent human soul. The most sincere and complete recognition of who humans are - first on an individual basis, then on a collective unity maintaining individuality - allows the presence of this Benevolent, Unconditional, Creative Love on an unprecedented scale. Love is benevolent, always, Unconditional, always,Creative, always

The energetic force of Love that we know has it's effect only in conscious recognition. In this, it provides what is needed to facilitate the lifting of the veil of programming. Our ability to consciously allow this love has been affected by the malevolent kontrol that began long ago, which is what we understand programming to be.

Benevolent, Unconditional, Creative Love is unchanging, unalterable, the only constant, no matter how perception change around it. We are not separated from it; it is merely veiled by a masterful deception with every convoluted, twisted distraction imagined and unimagined.

To allow Love to be, all thoughts and ideas must be relinquished for a time.One of many conditions of the current programmed consciousness in the "world of men" is to disallow such Love. There are things you must do to be acceptable to the "world of men" - conditions born of a consciousness living under programming. The truest and fullest exist from malevolent programming requires acts of dismissal of all that is of malevolent programming in "the world of men" the very world designed and controlled by malevolence.

At first, this freedom will be gained by individual acts in isolated experiences and may be percieved as "unstable".

As soon as one begins to attain ideas outside of the "world" program, societal pressure due to programmed consciousness isolates and marginalizes the individual. To accept what and where the individual is attempting to go would require others to break their own programming to a degree they are afraid to do. We have repetedly witnessed this as the most frightening request one can make of another, hitting as it does at the most primal survival mechanism programmed into humanity for eons - survival of body and mind that have forgotten the power of remembrance by the soul."

I think this will do ~

[Calz]

I think this will do ~



The reason I hold your voice in such high respect is that you have gone down the rabbit hole and know full well of *that* side.

After a lifetime of new age thought gone bad I have a real hard time with the "lightside only" crowd.

That would not include you.


So ... rather than dismiss this thread can you not help us by sharing your perspective?


Your last post was awesome but when looking at what is in our faces here in the 3D world ... very hard for so many to understand just what the heck is going on.


With deepest respect ...

[Chester]

Regarding the Koch bro's, I jsut saw this:


Koch brothers will not use funds to try to block Trump nomination
Politics | Thu Mar 3, 2016 7:17pm EST
NEW YORK | By Michelle Conlin


Because as the adjusted bookmaker odds showed, the opinion is that if Trump is the candidate, Hillary has an even better shot to win than if he is not.

This is why the significant jump from a 6 - 5 favorite to a 2 - 1 favorite happened in the few days surrounding Super Tuesday.

Recall from Carroll Quigley ("Tragedy and Hope") (http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Tragedy_and_Hope.pdf) that a world government that emulates socialism run by a clearly separate elite is the goal. Hillary gets us to that goal more quickly than any other candidate.

[Calz]

If Trump makes it past all the fraud of the GOP nomination nonsense ... he will destroy Hillary (provided there is any sense of a free and fair election ... good luck there)

[Chester]

I think this will do ~



The reason I hold your voice in such high respect is that you have gone down the rabbit hole and know full well of *that* side.

After a lifetime of new age thought gone bad I have a real hard time with the "lightside only" crowd.

That would not include you.


So ... rather than dismiss this thread can you not help us by sharing your perspective?


Your last post was awesome but when looking at what is in our faces here in the 3D world ... very hard for so many to understand just what the heck is going on.


With deepest respect ...

The only thing that makes sense to me is to be solutions oriented. First, one must know as precisely as one can what one is dealing with. After that, one might then derive a potential solution.

I happen to have shared my solution on this forum many times but for the most part it has been completely brushed off not because of the solution itself but because few are even open to what I happen to perceive to be the actual, grand problem.

Who am I to think I actually know as good as any living human being as to what the actual problem is (that believes she/he knows what we are dealing with)? Likely no different than most others who think they have what we are dealing with figured out. So who would even begin to consider my words?

So where does that leave me? I am left with having to implement my solution in my own life. The difference is astounding yet sadly... the lives of those closest to me (as Houman warned) has essentially become increasingly chaotic.

Its pretty much my opinion we would all need to be together on it and the odds of that are a zillion to one... against.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


If Trump makes it past all the fraud of the GOP nomination nonsense ... he will destroy Hillary (provided there is any sense of a free and fair election ... good luck there)

Personally, I hope you are right. But watch the bookmaker odds. If, like when Obummer won the last time, where the odds ranged from 2 -1 favorite to a 3 - 1 favorite the last several months and closed about 2.2 to 1, Hillary will prevail.

But Calz, I truly hope you are right because we know what we'll get with Hillary or any other establishment candidate. IMO it would be impossible for anyone who is not (assuming Trump is not) to be worse.

[Rocky_Shorz]

so now the real question...

if GOP blocks the Don...

He will instantly step to Independent...

who do think he would choose for a running mate...

Rand Paul...

or


do you think he is feeling the Bern...

[A Voice from the Mountains]

If he's blocked by the GOP there is going to be outrage in this country and the US political establishment is going to be walking on very thin ice no matter who they pick to replace him. To have something like Romney and Clinton running against each other, ensuring the same kind of nonsense policy-making that has made the US infamous as a criminal state already, we will be looking at French Revolution-style sentiments all over this country. The media tries to do a good job covering up peoples' anger but it's why Trump and Sanders have had so much support in the first place, because they are obviously not establishment candidates and people are angry enough to vote in ANYONE who isn't an establishment candidate, who they think has a chance.

All of the other candidates are openly saying they want aggressive military policies in the Middle East. All of the other candidates are hostile towards Putin and either openly against the Iran deal (all the other republicans), or holding their tongues for political reasons (Clinton). The Pentagon, backed by Russia, China, and a coalition of others, forced that peace deal. Otherwise the US political administration would have never settled for it. They have been table-pounding for war with Iran for years, but the American people are sick of it.

During the debate last night Kasich said he thought we should send troops into Libya like we did in Iraq. There was no crowd cheering for that statement, and this is a room full of your traditional "conservative republican" types. People are tired of this crap.

[Bluegreen]

Offered, of course, for entertainment purposes only ... ;)

If Trump Changed Genders

Imagine, for a moment, the presidential candidacy of a rich, brash real estate magnate and reality TV star named Donna Trump.

Quizzically coifed and stubbornly sun-kissed, she's on her third marriage. There's clear evidence that infidelity factored into the demise of the first, and among her children is one conceived when The Donna wasn't married to the other parent.

Her sexual appetites have been prodigious, at least according to her frequent claims and vulgar cant. And she has a tendency - disturbing on its own, even more so in someone who aspires to civic leadership - to talk about men as sirloins and rump roasts of disparate succulence. She denigrates those who displease her on cosmetic grounds:

So-and-so used to be a 9 but, with that male-pattern baldness and desperate comb-over, is down to a 6. So-and-so thinks he is covering up that paunch with baggy suits, but we all know better.

**

(Referring to his daughter, Ivanka)
"What a beauty, that one," he told Paul Solotaroff, who profiled him for Rolling Stone last year. "If I weren't happily married and, ya know, her father..."

Now put those words in The Donna's mouth instead. "What a hunk, that one," she says of one of her sons. "If I weren't happily married and, ya know, his mother..."

How well do you think The Donna would do in the polls? How far into the race would she survive...?

- Frank Bruni, NY Times, 02/28/16

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Because as the adjusted bookmaker odds showed, the opinion is that if Trump is the candidate, Hillary has an even better shot to win than if he is not.

This is why the significant jump from a 6 - 5 favorite to a 2 - 1 favorite happened in the few days surrounding Super Tuesday.

So just by this, it shows that earlier they were betting that Trump wouldn't have much odds of even being the candidate. Now they've had to adjust the numbers because they were wrong about that. We'll have to wait and see if they have to do any more adjustments.

The political and media establishment has been riding Trump's case in a bad way since day 1. It's only because of the anger against politics as reflected in the letter posted above that he's made it this far, and that anger isn't going to die down until a lot of problems are finally addressed in this country.

[Calz]

Younger ... angrier version of the 80 year old man's letter.

Same message ... more in your face.

This really reflects the mood in much of America now.

I understand why the world blames us and hates us ...

The globalists have long used the amerikan military to conduct their business.


Why have not we the people been able to stop it???


How?


______________


EPIC RANT: Fed Up American Explains Why Trump Will Win: “Somebody With Balls”

Why Trump is unstoppable, and Americans are done with the way things have been

Mac Slavo | SHTFplan.com - March 4, 2016


You may not agree with everything this guy stands for, but you have to respect his candor and principles for blatantly calling out the system for what it is.

But this epic rant explains in 4 minutes why Trump is unstoppable, and Americans are done with the way things have been.

Common sense has been sacrificed for a whiny, liberal la-la-land where the State can arrest or silence anyone it pleases for hurting someone’s feelings or saying “taboo” words.

But Outlaw Morgan doesn’t give a F-@* about that. His viral and foul-mouthed rant is as close to the sentiments of the people as it gets. They are fed up, and pissed off – and for that reason, Trump will win.

Hillary can steal it, but she can’t win it, and no one in the GOP has the backbone to stop or even slow the mandate Trump can amassed.

And this is why:

Disclaimer: This video is filled with foul language and politically incorrect observations. “So just cry about it!”



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5a1x0yGh38


And the primary results are proving that. The establishment can pull out every empty suit in their line up, but people inside the GOP and across the country are sick of all of it.

Donald Trump is quite obviously not perfect, and has yet to earn any trust. His record has sometimes blown in the wind. But it doesn’t matter.

In 2016, he has done nothing but tell it like it is, and that is why he is resonating with Americans everywhere, regardless of party or creed, and despite the outrageous and incendiary comments that Trump has made.

And that’s why wimps like Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Mitt Romney and the other phonies can’t even buy their way into office anymore.

What do you think will happen next in 2016?


http://www.infowars.com/epic-rant-fed-up-american-explains-why-trump-will-win-somebody-with-balls/

[Calz]

so now the real question...

if GOP blocks the Don...

He will instantly step to Independent...

who do think he would choose for a running mate...

Rand Paul...

or


do you think he is feeling the Bern...


1) Ron Paul

2) Jesse Ventura


Rand may be a chip off the ol' block ... but he simply comes across as weak.

The Bern would have to jump parties (unless Trump ends up forced to go independent as you imply ... in which case I suppose it could happen).

[onawah]

The rise of American authoritarianism
An interesting theory, I thought...very long article. so I won't post it all here.
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism

A niche group of political scientists may have uncovered what's driving Donald Trump's ascent. What they found has implications that go well beyond 2016.
by Amanda Taub on March 1, 2016
The American media, over the past year, has been trying to work out something of a mystery: Why is the Republican electorate supporting a far-right, orange-toned populist with no real political experience, who espouses extreme and often bizarre views? How has Donald Trump, seemingly out of nowhere, suddenly become so popular?

What's made Trump's rise even more puzzling is that his support seems to cross demographic lines — education, income, age, even religiosity — that usually demarcate candidates. And whereas most Republican candidates might draw strong support from just one segment of the party base, such as Southern evangelicals or coastal moderates, Trump currently does surprisingly well from the Gulf Coast of Florida to the towns of upstate New York, and he won a resounding victory in the Nevada caucuses.

Table of contents

I. What is American authoritarianism?
II. The discovery
III. How authoritarianism works
IV. What can authoritarianism explain?
V. The party of authoritarians
VI. Trump, authoritarians, and fear
VII. America's changing social landscape
VIII. What authoritarians want
IX. How authoritarians will change American politics

Perhaps strangest of all, it wasn't just Trump but his supporters who seemed to have come out of nowhere, suddenly expressing, in large numbers, ideas far more extreme than anything that has risen to such popularity in recent memory. In South Carolina, a CBS News exit poll found that 75 percent of Republican voters supported banning Muslims from the United States. A PPP poll found that a third of Trump voters support banning gays and lesbians from the country. Twenty percent said Lincoln shouldn't have freed the slaves.

Last September, a PhD student at the University of Massachusetts Amherst named Matthew MacWilliams realized that his dissertation research might hold the answer to not just one but all three of these mysteries.

MacWilliams studies authoritarianism — not actual dictators, but rather a psychological profile of individual voters that is characterized by a desire for order and a fear of outsiders. People who score high in authoritarianism, when they feel threatened, look for strong leaders who promise to take whatever action necessary to protect them from outsiders and prevent the changes they fear.

So MacWilliams naturally wondered if authoritarianism might correlate with support for Trump.

He polled a large sample of likely voters, looking for correlations between support for Trump and views that align with authoritarianism. What he found was astonishing: Not only did authoritarianism correlate, but it seemed to predict support for Trump more reliably than virtually any other indicator. He later repeated the same poll in South Carolina, shortly before the primary there, and found the same results, which he published in Vox:

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As it turns out, MacWilliams wasn't the only one to have this realization. Miles away, in an office at Vanderbilt University, a professor named Marc Hetherington was having his own aha moment. He realized that he and a fellow political scientist, the University of North Carolina's Jonathan Weiler, had essentially predicted Trump's rise back in 2009, when they discovered something that would turn out to be far more significant than they then realized.

That year, Hetherington and Weiler published a book about the effects of authoritarianism on American politics. Through a series of experiments and careful data analysis, they had come to a surprising conclusion: Much of the polarization dividing American politics was fueled not just by gerrymandering or money in politics or the other oft-cited variables, but by an unnoticed but surprisingly large electoral group — authoritarians.

Their book concluded that the GOP, by positioning itself as the party of traditional values and law and order, had unknowingly attracted what would turn out to be a vast and previously bipartisan population of Americans with authoritarian tendencies.

This trend had been accelerated in recent years by demographic and economic changes such as immigration, which "activated" authoritarian tendencies, leading many Americans to seek out a strongman leader who would preserve a status quo they feel is under threat and impose order on a world they perceive as increasingly alien.

Trump embodies the classic authoritarian leadership style: simple, powerful, and punitive
These Americans with authoritarian views, they found, were sorting into the GOP, driving polarization. But they were also creating a divide within the party, at first latent, between traditional Republican voters and this group whose views were simultaneously less orthodox and, often, more extreme.

Over time, Hetherington and Weiler had predicted, that sorting would become more and more pronounced. And so it was all but inevitable that, eventually, authoritarians would gain enough power within the GOP to make themselves heard.

At the time, even Hetherington and Weiler did not realize the explosive implications: that their theory, when followed to its natural conclusion, predicted a looming and dramatic transformation of American politics. But looking back now, the ramifications of their research seem disturbingly clear.

Authoritarians are thought to express much deeper fears than the rest of the electorate, to seek the imposition of order where they perceive dangerous change, and to desire a strong leader who will defeat those fears with force. They would thus seek a candidate who promised these things. And the extreme nature of authoritarians' fears, and of their desire to challenge threats with force, would lead them toward a candidate whose temperament was totally unlike anything we usually see in American politics — and whose policies went far beyond the acceptable norms.

A candidate like Donald Trump.

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Even Hetherington was shocked to discover quite how right their theory had been. In the early fall of 2015, as Trump's rise baffled most American journalists and political scientists, he called Weiler. He asked, over and over, "Can you believe this? Can you believe this?"

This winter, I got in touch with Hetherington, MacWilliams, and several other political scientists who study authoritarianism. I wanted to better understand the theory that seemed to have predicted, with such eerie accuracy, Trump's rise. And, like them, I wanted to find out what the rise of authoritarian politics meant for American politics. Was Trump just the start of something bigger?

These political scientists were, at that moment, beginning to grapple with the same question. We agreed there was something important happening here — that was just beginning to be understood.

Donald Trump could be just the first of many Trumps in American politics
Shortly after the Iowa Republican caucus, in which Trump came in a close second, Vox partnered with the Washington-based media and polling company Morning Consult to test American authoritarians along a range of political and social views — and to test some hypotheses we had developed after speaking with the leading political scientists of the field.

What we found is a phenomenon that explains, with remarkable clarity, the rise of Donald Trump — but that is also much larger than him, shedding new light on some of the biggest political stories of the past decade. Trump, it turns out, is just the symptom. The rise of American authoritarianism is transforming the Republican Party and the dynamics of national politics, with profound consequences likely to extend well beyond this election.

I. What is American authoritarianism?
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A Trump supporter carries a sign saying "Build the wall"

For years now, before anyone thought a person like Donald Trump could possibly lead a presidential primary, a small but respected niche of academic research has been laboring over a question, part political science and part psychology, that had captivated political scientists since the rise of the Nazis.

How do people come to adopt, in such large numbers and so rapidly, extreme political views that seem to coincide with fear of minorities and with the desire for a strongman leader?

To answer that question, these theorists study what they call authoritarianism: not the dictators themselves, but rather the psychological profile of people who, under the right conditions, will desire certain kinds of extreme policies and will seek strongman leaders to implement them.

The political phenomenon we identify as right-wing populism seems to line up, with almost astonishing precision, with the research on how authoritarianism is both caused and expressed
After an early period of junk science in the mid-20th century, a more serious group of scholars has addressed this question, specifically studying how it plays out in American politics: researchers like Hetherington and Weiler, Stanley Feldman, Karen Stenner, and Elizabeth Suhay, to name just a few.

The field, after a breakthrough in the early 1990s, has come to develop the contours of a grand theory of authoritarianism, culminating quite recently, in 2005, with Stenner's seminal The Authoritarian Dynamic — just in time for that theory to seemingly come true, more rapidly and in greater force than any of them had imagined, in the personage of one Donald Trump and his norm-shattering rise.

According to Stenner's theory, there is a certain subset of people who hold latent authoritarian tendencies. These tendencies can be triggered or "activated" by the perception of physical threats or by destabilizing social change, leading those individuals to desire policies and leaders that we might more colloquially call authoritarian.

It is as if, the NYU professor Jonathan Haidt has written, a button is pushed that says, "In case of moral threat, lock down the borders, kick out those who are different, and punish those who are morally deviant."

Authoritarians are a real constituency that exists independently of Trump — and will persist as a force in American politics
Authoritarians prioritize social order and hierarchies, which bring a sense of control to a chaotic world. Challenges to that order — diversity, influx of outsiders, breakdown of the old order — are experienced as personally threatening because they risk upending the status quo order they equate with basic security.

This is, after all, a time of social change in America. The country is becoming more diverse, which means that many white Americans are confronting race in a way they have never had to before. Those changes have been happening for a long time, but in recent years they have become more visible and harder to ignore. And they are coinciding with economic trends that have squeezed working-class white people.

When they face physical threats or threats to the status quo, authoritarians support policies that seem to offer protection against those fears. They favor forceful, decisive action against things they perceive as threats. And they flock to political leaders who they believe will bring this action.

If you were to read every word these theorists ever wrote on authoritarians, and then try to design a hypothetical candidate to match their predictions of what would appeal to authoritarian voters, the result would look a lot like Donald Trump.

But political scientists say this theory explains much more than just Donald Trump, placing him within larger trends in American politics: polarization, the rightward shift of the Republican Party, and the rise within that party of a dissident faction challenging GOP orthodoxies and upending American politics.

More than that, authoritarianism reveals the connections between several seemingly disparate stories about American politics. And it suggest that a combination of demographic, economic, and political forces, by awakening this authoritarian class of voters that has coalesced around Trump, have created what is essentially a new political party within the GOP — a phenomenon that broke into public view with the 2016 election but will persist long after it has ended.

II. The discovery: how a niche subfield of political science suddenly became some of the most relevant research in American politics


See the rest here: http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism

[Octavusprime]

I've been avoiding this thread since it started but here we go...

To put this simply, Trump is Dangerous. He is an egotistical, authoritarian, demagogue, nationalist and psychopath all rolled up into a bad comb over.

Egotistical: The guy puts his name on everything. Most of the Trump towers and buildings weren't built by him. He leased the name. He is a brand and I guess he has done a good job creating this perception that Trump equals power and money.

Authoritarian: http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism
He has said on Infowars that the American people need to be surveyed! He is willing to do anything. If you think the government now is overbearing and invasive, Trump will make that look mild. He uses his bravado to intimidate and bully those around him. He will never back down. He will never show weakness. If you have watched the Apprentice you will know how he views weakness. He would rather a person fight then apologize, real class act here. The rise of Hitler has eerie similarities to Trump's sudden rise.

Demagogue: a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument. This is the essence of the man. Take illegal immigration and spin it as the greatest danger to society. Once you create the fear, you use your authoritarian persona to present solutions. Build a giant wall, kick out every illegal alien, stop allowing all Muslims into the country. Next you will be executing those caught crossing our borders. Next all Mexicans in the U.S. are labeled dangerous and put into internment camps. I mean where does it end?

Nationalist: Nationalism is a shared group feeling in the significance of a geographical and sometimes demographic region seeking independence for its culture and/or ethnicity that holds that group together. This can be expressed as a belief or political ideology that involves an individual identifying with or becoming attached to one's nation. Nationalism involves national identity, by contrast with the related concept of patriotism, which involves the social conditioning and personal behaviors that support a state's decisions and actions. If you've heard Trumps slogan "Make America Great Again" you can quickly identify his Nationalism. If you've ever been to or seen video of his rally's you will hear the chants "USA USA USA". Again we see parallels with the rise of Hitler. Hitler instilled in the German people an intense sense of nationalism. So much so that Germans were the pure race and all others were inferior. We are walking in dangerous territory here....

Psychopath: Psychopathy also known as—though sometimes differentiated from—sociopathy is traditionally defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior. Here is where it gets scary. The man shows absolutely no remorse for his actions. I mean think about it, have you ever heard Trump apologize for anything? Have you ever heard him admit he is wrong? The man literally said "I could shot someone on the street and not lose votes, I would date my own daughter, I would broaden the laws on torture, I will kill the families of ISIS terrorists. HOLY ****T are you kidding me?! Does no one see the major red flags in these statements? He tried to back peddle from this but if the guy will go out in public and say these things can you imagine what he would do if he were in power?

I'm leaving out a ton of things that he has said to women and to critics, like making fun of the disabled.

Anyway, if you vote for anyone Bernie is the closest thing to a reformist out there.

[Calz]

Bernie has no chance ... nothing to do with merit ... simply the reality.

Do we need to reel off a list of Hillary flaws???

[Calz]

To put this simply, Trump is Dangerous. He is an egotistical, authoritarian, demagogue, nationalist and psychopath all rolled up into a bad comb over.




I like to keep things simple.

Here's the deal.

For the sake of argument I'll agree with everything in your post ... okay?

No problemo.


It all comes down to we are on the verge of going one world everything.


Unless you are fine with that then I expect you would agree the system ***MUST*** fail.


You are either nationalist or globalist. Time to choose.


Maybe ... just perhaps ... it will take someone with all the mentioned characteristics as Trump to make it happen.


Not holding my breath .... less than 1% chance ... he could die any day.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

In the US we have three branches of government that check and balance each other. None of them can act unilaterally, and our military is sworn to uphold the Constitution, not the president. The president is not above the law, but this brings us to an even more important point: politicians are puppets. Trump is no exception. You can bet he is not a total rogue. Someone has his ear and he is acting on behalf of some interest, which is obviously not the cabal that we are used to seeing in public offices, from what I am seeing. He said he was for torture (waterboarding and more), something that I totally disagree with, but then he backed off of that position, no doubt because he was told to. He doesn't admit he's wrong because he's a showman, just like all politicians. But he's still the least like any of the other politicians, because he's a businessman.

The big thing that made Hitler remembered as the most evil man to ever walk the face of the Earth, was his military campaigns and then of course the Holocaust. The Holocaust could and never would have happened without a war. What candidates are calling the most for war right now in the US? Trump is the least hellbent on war out of all of them. Trump talks about building up the military as a deterrent, and working diplomatically and economically with Russia, China, and Iran. Trump says he will take a neutral position in regards to Israel and Palestine. Cruz, Rubio and Kasich are all talking about increased US military involvement in the Middle East and more aggressive stances with our traditional "enemies." Hillary Clinton is probably the most dangerous of all in this regard, and I believe she really is a genuine social path. She laughs about Gaddhafi being murdered (knowing full well that it was a totally financial/political move to destroy his government in Libya in the first place) and laughs about the prospect of WW3.

xvhBoF_pCHo

The real threat of turning the US into a fascist dictatorship comes from a real, wide-eyed sociopath, an old

[enfoldedblue]

For a bit of lightness in this thread....this made me giggle:


Yesterday at 1:48am · Rochester, MA, United States ·



"Donald Trump answers the question; What is 2+2?

"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, "What's 2+2"? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. Oh my god, I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. Its terrible. Its just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, "10101000101", on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. That I can tell you. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me. Ok? Alright. Thank you."

[Octavusprime]

Bernie has no chance ... nothing to do with merit ... simply the reality.

Do we need to reel off a list of Hillary flaws???

Do you know why Bernie has no chance? Because everyone has stated "he has no chance". I mean it's pretty much the self defeatist strategy. The media has planted this in the minds of all that he isn't electable and guess what it's working! Free thinking individuals have already stated this is fact despite it not being true. I've spoken to numerous people that love Bernie but say they have to support Hillary or Trump because Bernie can't win. It's completely ridiculous if everyone just voted for who they really liked instead of trying to side with the "obvious winner" he might have a standing chance. I rarely hear anyone attacking Bernie, those from both sides of the isle have good things to say about the man besides a few ignorant right wingers that can only scream Trump.

Regardless the delegate system is set up to nullify our votes anyway so there is that gem. So if all else fails maybe this election will enrage the people enough to finally stand up and change the broken system. Perhaps the American people still have the will and backbone to defeat their masters.

[onawah]

This deserves a bump! :bump:
And that's about as good an ending to this discussion as there is likely to be, imho.


Bernie has no chance ... nothing to do with merit ... simply the reality.

Do we need to reel off a list of Hillary flaws???

Do you know why Bernie has no chance? Because everyone has stated "he has no chance". I mean it's pretty much the self defeatist strategy. The media has planted this in the minds of all that he isn't electable and guess what it's working! Free thinking individuals have already stated this is fact despite it not being true. I've spoken to numerous people that love Bernie but say they have to support Hillary or Trump because Bernie can't win. It's completely ridiculous if everyone just voted for who they really liked instead of trying to side with the "obvious winner" he might have a standing chance. I rarely hear anyone attacking Bernie, those from both sides of the isle have good things to say about the man besides a few ignorant right wingers that can only scream Trump.

Regardless the delegate system is set up to nullify our votes anyway so there is that gem. So if all else fails maybe this election will enrage the people enough to finally stand up and change the broken system. Perhaps the American people still have the will and backbone to defeat their masters.

[Hervé]

Some wise words from a very wise man:


World’s Poorest President Urges Public To Kick The Wealthy Out Of Politics (http://yournewswire.com/worlds-poorest-president-urges-public-to-kick-the-wealthy-out-of-politics/)

Posted on March 4, 2016 by Sean Adl-Tabatabai (http://yournewswire.com/author/cyrus/) in News (http://yournewswire.com/category/news/), World (http://yournewswire.com/category/news/world-news/)


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The Uruguayan President Jose “Pepe” Mujica, known as the world’s poorest President, has urged members of the public worldwide to kick out rich people from politics.

Mujica, often described as the “world’s most humble president”, retired from office in 2015 with an approval rating of 70 percent. In an interview with CNN en Español (http://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2014/10/22/jose-mujica-a-los-que-les-gusta-mucho-la-plata-hay-que-correrlos-de-la-politica/) this week the former Uruguay leader criticised world leaders for not truly representing the people.

“We invented this thing called representative democracy, where we say the majority is who decides,” Mujica told CNN. “So it seems to me that we [heads of state] should live like the majority and not like the minority.”

Cultureofawareness.com (http://cultureofawareness.com/2016/03/01/worlds-poorest-president-explains-why-we-should-kick-rich-people-out-of-politics/) reports:

Mujica reportedly donates 90 percent of his salary to charity. Mujica’s example offers a strong contrast to the United States, where in politics the median member of Congress is worth more than $1 millionand corporations have many of the same rights as individuals when it comes to donating to political campaigns.

“The red carpet, people who play — those things,” Mujica said, mimicking a person playing a cornet. “All those things are feudal leftovers. And the staff that surrounds the president are like the old court.”

Mujica explained that he didn’t have anything against rich people, per se, but he doesn’t think they do a good job representing the interests of the majority of people who aren’t rich.

“I’m not against people who have money, who like money, who go crazy for money,” Mujica said. “But in politics we have to separate them. We have to run people who love money too much out of politics, they’re a danger in politics… People who love money should dedicate themselves to industry, to commerce, to multiply wealth. But politics is the struggle for the happiness of all.”

Asked why rich people make bad representatives of poor people, Mujica said: “They tend to view the world through their perspective, which is the perspective of money. Even when operating with good intentions, the perspective they have of the world, of life, of their decisions, is informed by wealth. If we live in a world where the majority is supposed to govern, we have to try to root our perspective in that of the majority, not the minority.”

Mujica has become well known for rejecting the symbols of wealth. In an interview in May, he lashed out against neckties in comments on Spanish television that went viral.

“The tie is a useless rag that constrains your neck,” Mujica said during the interview (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/21/jose-mujica-necktie_n_5365142.html). “I’m an enemy of consumerism. Because of this hyperconsumerism, we’re forgetting about fundamental things and wasting human strength on frivolities that have little to do with human happiness.”

He lives on a small farm on the outskirts of the capital of Montevideo with his wife, Uruguayan Sen. Lucia Topolansky and their three-legged dog Manuela. He says he rejects materialism because it would rob him of the time he uses to enjoy his passions, like tending to his flower farm and working outside.

“I don’t have the hands of a president,” Mujica told CNN. “They’re kind of mangled.”

[Calz]

Regardless the delegate system is set up to nullify our votes anyway so there is that gem. So if all else fails maybe this election will enrage the people enough to finally stand up and change the broken system. Perhaps the American people still have the will and backbone to defeat their masters.




New Hampshire ... 60-38% popular vote ... zero delegates.

Yes the system is broken.

I almost expect if the GOP goes brokered convention they will try to select Jeb.


Another Clinton vs Bush.

[onawah]

Another good article, this one from Chris Hedges on the rise of fascism in the US, here:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_revenge_of_the_lower_classes_and_the_rise_of_american_fascism_20160302
One excerpt:

There is only one way left to blunt the yearning for fascism coalescing around Trump. It is to build, as fast as possible, movements or parties that declare war on corporate power, engage in sustained acts of civil disobedience and seek to reintegrate the disenfranchised—the “losers”—back into the economy and political life of the country. This movement will never come out of the Democratic Party. If Clinton prevails in the general election Trump may disappear, but the fascist sentiments will expand. Another Trump, perhaps more vile, will be vomited up from the bowels of the decayed political system. We are fighting for our political life. Tremendous damage has been done by corporate power and the college-educated elites to our capitalist democracy. The longer the elites, who oversaw this disemboweling of the country on behalf of corporations—who believe, as does CBS Chief Executive Officer Leslie Moonves, that however bad Trump would be for America he would at least be good for corporate profit—remain in charge, the worse it is going to get.

[Calz]

..........

[Wide-Eyed]

Che Onda whey? The Donald gets banned from Mexico! http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-06/lawmakers-just-passed-proposal-ban-donald-trump-entering-mexico, So much for his big "Trump" "gaza style" fence picking on our friendly neighbors in the south, Viva Mexico!

[Calz]

This one is fun ... :ROFL:

__________________


“There’s An Insurrection Coming… The American People Are Sick & Tired Of Crony Capitalism”

FOX News' Judge Jeanine unleashes anchor hell upon Mitt Romney and the GOP establishment hordes

Zero Hedge - March 7, 2016



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srGlyFyghRk


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-06/theres-insurrection-coming-american-people-are-sick-tired-crony-capitalism

[Hervé]

For the record of how it gets done:

---
Revelation of the Method and the Murder of Spirit (http://www.revisionisthistory.org/crypto1.html)


A Page from the Cryptocracy's Psychological Warfare Manual


by Michael A. Hoffman II (http://www.revisionisthistory.org/page1/news.html)

No, this isn't a column about ectoplasm or the Fox Sisters; but the epistemology of mass suppression of spirit, soul and mind; in other words, a page from the Cryptocracy's own psychological warfare manual.

In the June 5, 2006 edition of The New York Times, there appeared on one-third of page A19, an illustrated report on the concept that the 9/11 terror attacks were US government-sponsored. The article was titled "For 9/11 Conspiracy Buffs, A Chance to Compare Notes." It was reported by Alan Feuer.


http://henrymakow.com/upload_images/floridatimes.jpg


If we were not in the alchemical "Must Be" stage of the "Making Manifest of All that is Hidden" era, then this NY Times report would have never seen print, or the reporter would have merely poked fun, or suggested that 9/11 conspiracy investigators are fit mainly for the booby hatch, in the American tradition of what Richard Hofstadter sneeringly termed "paranoid style."

Nothing of the kind in this report, however. The New York Times graciously called the 9/11 investigators "skeptics and scientists." Even the website of these dissenters was provided: 911Truth.org

The anomaly that is the collapse of World Trade Center building 7, which was not attacked in any discernible manner, but mysteriously fell anyway, was cited rather than avoided. Also noted by the Times are incendiary topics such as the collapse of the World Trade Center towers through "controlled demolition," and the fact that "the military command that monitors aircraft 'stood down' on the day of the attacks." This is just the sort of sensitive, hidden data that ought to make the Cryptocracy squirm, unless the Cryptocracy itself approved its release for purposes of Revelation of the Method.

Physics Prof. Steven E. Jones is recognized by the NY Times as the antidote to the National Institute of Standards and Technology Report, which claims to debunk the notion that the collapse of WTC building 7 was any kind of anomaly. A long URL is furnished for Prof. Jones' rebuttal paper.


http://henrymakow.com/upload_images/demolition.jpeg

The tenor of the New York Times report is mostly respectful. It all but affirms that there's a good case for believing the US government did this to its own citizens. That's quite an astounding concession in the nation's "newspaper of record," in an article taking up one-third of page 19 in the paper's first section, under the headline "New York Report."

The June 5 Times report is unprecedented; it should have made huge waves: Bush's press secretary should have been asked about it, Ann Coulter should have been confronted; Prof. Jones should have been on all the news networks. The New York Times should have editorialized. Instead, just a few tiny blips of reaction on the media screen and then, flatline.

I promised at the beginning of this column to take you on a foray into the control epistemology of the Cryptocracy, so here goes. The "Revelation of the Method" is a deadly weapon in the hands of the enemies of the Establishment, in those times past when the American people were possessed of an alert mind, an awakened consciousness, concentrated will-power and not too many distractions.

Today, amnesia, apathy and distractions both digital and consumer cornucopic, are all-pervasive, except when people are cued by the Establishment to become outraged, as in the outrage generated on behalf of Darfur and a few years before that, for Kosovo. This is official outrage. Unofficial, spontaneous, grassroots outrage is harder to find.


http://henrymakow.com/upload_images/Newfiremen_dees.jpg


When the New York Times, an organ of the System itself, strongly hints that the US government is complicit in the murder of thousands of its own citizens - - and as a result of this revelation there are no sustained street protests, mass rallies, riots, pickets, lawsuits, televised hearings, booing and hissing of Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush and Ashcroft whenever they attend public forums; no special investigations by the newspaper and television journalists - - then murder of our spirits is taking place on a mass scale and the Cryptocracy's gamble in revealing this information, is paying off.

It is risky to reveal to the people what has been done to them by the gangster class that lords it over them. Patently, in the wake of the revelation, the risk is one of reprisal, retribution and rage by the people. But where there is little or none of that, then the Cryptocracy has tripled its hold on the minds and hearts of Americans: it has strongly hinted about the mass murder it committed on Sept. 11 and yet, there are few significant repercussions. This non-reaction tends to demonstrate that the people of the US accept, at the subliminal level of their consciousness, that their own leaders are mass murderers of their fellow citizens, and mostly what they do in return is shake it off and head to the mall.

If the Federal government succeeds in another big attack on America by means of its Islamic patsies, it could well tip our country over into military rule. Bringing the behind-the-scenes perpetrators of the first 9/11 attacks to justice, prevents the state's orchestration of a second attack, the one that most likely would lead to martial law tyranny and the eclipse of the American dream of liberty. But even after revelations in the June 5 New York Times - - replete with directions to web pages that give strong evidence of an official role in the terror attacks - - Atlas shrugs.

This is a less-than-human response, a result of the alchemical processing of humanity, the devolution from angel to beast.

There you have it, a page from the real-time psychological warfare manual of the Cryptocracy.

Copyright©2006 RevisionistHistory.org
------

First Comment by Tony B:
For a couple of years now I have been writing to anyone who will read that I have inside, totally reliable, information that, back in 1991, it was bragged by one of the Bilderberg types that, 1. "Americans are too stupid to elect the president, WE decide who will be president" (which I have been aware of for many decades) and 2. "When we put Hillary in, is when we will establish martial law."

For some reason, unfathomable to me, no one seems to want to even ask about this revelation. It's as though it never came up out of the memory hole. After it occurs is too late to ask or prepare.

Cognitive dissonance or wishful unthinking? Whatever, it certainly fits this article.

- See more at: http://www.henrymakow.com/#sthash.TxqyuNVG.dpuf

[TargeT]

Jf3vW0e_Wgc

On February 28th, 2016, Last Week Tonight with John Oliver broadcast their "epic takedown" of Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump. Oliver criticized Trump's business history, licensing of his brand, possible insecurities, potential inconsistencies, self-funding of his campaign, telling it like it is, political correctness and created the Donald Drumpf meme.

Includes: Jon Stewart's name change, Trump University, Trump Steaks, Politifact, Trump Vodka, Trump Shuttle, Go Trump, Trump Magazines, Trump Mortgage Company, Disavowing David Duke, Ku Klux Klan and much more!

[Rocky_Shorz]

A two party system is broken and weak, Koche has put a lot of effort into dividing the GOP

[TrumanCash]

Here is perhaps another good reason for the elitists to schlong Trump permanently:

TRUMP SAYS GOLD BETTER THAN CASH (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ewzr0oXDY)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ewzr0oXDY

[Hervé]

Yep, it's real... as it says above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89046-Trump-...-dead-man-walking&p=1051631&viewfull=1#post1051631),



"There you have it, a page from the real-time psychological warfare manual of the Cryptocracy.":


Trump Promise To Expand Police State, Tells Audience To Extend Right Hand Like Nazi Salute (http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/03/trump-tells-audience-to-extend-right-hand/)

March 7, 2016 10:54 am·

http://cdn.countercurrentnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/trump-nazi-salute.jpg (http://cdn.countercurrentnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/trump-nazi-salute.jpg)


It seemed that Republican front-runner Donald Trump’s rallies couldn’t get any more disturbing or overtly racist. But just when we thought we had seen it all, after vowing to expand the powers of the police state, Donald Trump had supporters at a rally on Saturday pledge allegiance to vote for him in the upcoming Florida party primary, The Hill reported (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/271932-trump-makes-rally-attendees-swear-to-vote-for-him), by making them extend their right hands forward like the Nazi salute of the Third Reich.

After doubling down on his promises to deport 12 million people from the United States, using unprecedented police power, and banning Muslims from entering the United States, as well as forcing American Muslims to wear identification badges (http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/11/donald-trump-says-muslims-should-be-forced-to-wear-special-id-badges/), then praising the police as “the most mistreated people” as well as being “under-appreciated” and the victims, rather than the perpetuators of violence, Donald Trump issued the bizarre call for his followers to pledge allegiance to vote for him.

The video footage of the incident was posted by Bloomberg Politics (https://twitter.com/MichaelCBender/status/706227767155757056). It clearly shows attendees at the event in Orlando extending their right hands forward – not merely raising their hands in the air – vowing allegiance to “vote for Donald J. Trump for president.”

“Don’t forget you all raised your hand,” Trump added, as they lowered their hands. “You swore. Bad things happen if you don’t live up to what you just did.”

The statement was ominous and disturbing to say the least. Bad things? What exactly was he implying.

Trump’s statements have gotten so overtly fascist that even Ted Cruz has called them nothing short of propaganda for a “police state.”

“I intend to follow the law,” Cruz said of his own policies. That would preclude the sort of “door to door” round-ups of millions that Trump has called for.

“We don’t live in a police state,” Cruz said. If we don’t, however, if Trump is successful, we soon will.

The primary in question has been scheduled to be held on March 15.

Watch the video below…
(see at linked article (http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/03/trump-tells-audience-to-extend-right-hand/))

[TargeT]

Trump Promise To Expand Police State, Tells Audience To Extend Right Hand Like Nazi Salute (http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/03/trump-tells-audience-to-extend-right-hand/)

March 7, 2016 10:54 am·

http://cdn.countercurrentnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/trump-nazi-salute.jpg (http://cdn.countercurrentnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/trump-nazi-salute.jpg)


It seemed that Republican front-runner Donald Trump’s rallies couldn’t get any more disturbing or overtly racist. But just when we thought we had seen it all, after vowing to expand the powers of the police state, Donald Trump had supporters at a rally on Saturday pledge allegiance to vote for him in the upcoming Florida party primary, The Hill reported (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/271932-trump-makes-rally-attendees-swear-to-vote-for-him), by making them extend their right hands forward like the Nazi salute of the Third Reich.


Isn't this just a bit ridiculously over the top?

[Hervé]

[...]


Isn't this just a bit ridiculously over the top?

... checking and testing how their social engineering (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89046-Trump-...-dead-man-walking&p=1051631&viewfull=1#post1051631) is working...

[Octavusprime]

Jf3vW0e_Wgc

On February 28th, 2016, Last Week Tonight with John Oliver broadcast their "epic takedown" of Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump. Oliver criticized Trump's business history, licensing of his brand, possible insecurities, potential inconsistencies, self-funding of his campaign, telling it like it is, political correctness and created the Donald Drumpf meme.

Includes: Jon Stewart's name change, Trump University, Trump Steaks, Politifact, Trump Vodka, Trump Shuttle, Go Trump, Trump Magazines, Trump Mortgage Company, Disavowing David Duke, Ku Klux Klan and much more!

Isn't this just a bit ridiculously over the top? I mean do we really need a 90 minute analysis of a 20 minute comedy bit?

[Octavusprime]

Here is something a friend of mine posted on Facebook. Pretty much sums up what Trump rally's have turned into. The parallels to Hitler keep growing yet Trump supporters focus on his hardline, no bull**** attitude. Why won't they look at the substance of his message? It boggles my mind, especially when I see otherwise intelligent humans blindly following a lunatic....


Okay, so I'm going to go ahead and share my experience at Donald Trump's rally in Warren, MI today. We'll start with why I went. I am a firm believer in being educated on ALL candidates, not just the one you're rooting for, so Stephanie and I decided to attend. If you know me, it's no surprise that I am not a fan of Trump due to his racist, misogynist, and popularity-searching "campaign". But I try to keep an open mind, understanding that people have different views and everyone is entitled to their own. I wore a shirt bashing Trump, and Stephanie wore a pro-Bernie Sanders baseball hat. We had no intentions of causing a scene, starting any fights, or even speaking negatively towards any Trump-supporters. We stood in the crowd with everyone else, even made small talk with a few different people, asking back and forth about each other's views. A women supporting Trump even complimented our hat and shirt. This is not a post to bash all Trump-supporters. Most of the people we spoke to were very kind to us, as we were to them. Trump came out and started his speech. As hard as it was, we ignored the screams and chants of building walls and exporting citizens. We stood quietly and listened to the man speak. Every 15 or so minutes, a scene would happen where the crowd would yell about protestors and Trump would scream, "Get them out, send them out of here!" and the crowd would scream "USA, USA, USA" until the attendees who were asked to leave were escorted out. So, about 45 minutes to an hour into his speech, a group of teenage boys (who had been harassing us the entire time while we ignored their comments) screamed and pointed at us, yelling for us to be kicked out. At first we laughed it off, of course we couldn't be kicked out, we were just standing here silently. Wrong. A secret service member and a police officer were there within the minute, grabbed Stephanie and I by our arms, and started to lead us out. One of the Trump supporters we were chatting with even stood up for us, explaining that we weren't doing anything and weren't being disruptive. By now the crowd was chanting their USA run and a large portion was also booing us out. The walk through the crowd was very upsetting, being screamed at and filmed, even one man said "Go to China if you like communism so much!" (Communism?? Don't you mean democratic socialism??). But also, along the walk out, some attendees would high five us or shake our hands, and thank us for coming and supporting Bernie. It felt weird to be thanked, due to us not doing anything besides standing quietly. As the two men walked us out, one explained that if we returned we would be arrested. Stephanie quickly asked why that was. The man replied with "They don't want you here," to which she said "Isn't it a constitutional right to silently protest?" The officer replied "Not here." The rude remarks and yells didn't stop at the door, for Trump-supporters who didn't get in greeted us with just as much hatred. The walk back to my truck even included a man yelling from his car about how this was for Trump people and that we didn't belong here and shouldn't have come. This kind of hatred is what is ruining this country. To think that my right to protest was taken from me AT A RALLY, scares the hell out of me for if Trump actually became president and got that power. What else would he take away from us if he can't even stand two teenage girls standing silently at a FREE, PUBLIC, OPEN-TO-EVERYONE event? If you're thinking of voting Trump this year, please rethink your stance. This much hate belongs nowhere near the presidency.

[Arcturian108]

So many people, even on this site, are scared of Trump, but I am wondering why they so easily would accept what the mainstream media wants us to feel about this man? The powers-that-be want us to hate him, so when you follow their meme, you are falling into some kind of trap, don't you think?

I am originally from New York City and close to Trump in age, and as it turns out I also share some of his astrological traits, being a Gemini, with a tight sun/Uranus conjunction, for those of you who know astrology. Here is a quick explanation:


Sun Conjunct Uranus:

Innovative, original, unorthodox, and unconventional, you identify with the role of rebel, reformer, or iconoclast. You insist upon a great deal of personal freedom and do not easily adapt yourself to others' needs and wishes. You need a lifestyle that allows you to be spontaneous. Often you feel that you are somehow different from other people and outside the mainstream of society.

[TargeT]

Isn't this just a bit ridiculously over the top? I mean do we really need a 90 minute analysis of a 20 minute comedy bit?

I appreciate data rich videos with verifiable facts over exaggerated misleading bull**** ;)

Qg0pO9VG1J8

refuting the claims made by Olivers show is pretty important really... it shows how language and propaganda are used by modern media.


Why won't they look at the substance of his message? It boggles my mind, especially when I see otherwise intelligent humans blindly following a lunatic....


And Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush etc... what were they? how is this a shock when it's this way every year?

[jagman]

History has a strange way of repeating itself! There are some very erie circumstances
between the JFK Event and the Donald Trump Presidency Run. Neither man was wanted
by the Establishment, Cabal,The Washington Cartel or what ever label you put to it...
In order for Donald to win the Presidency he will have to take the sitting Senator
from Texas, Ted Cruz!!! The reason is 2 fold. He will need the state of Texas in order
to beat Hillary in the General Election.The second reason is Donald will be close to the
1237 but he will be a few hundred shy. JFK took Lyndon Baines Johnson from the state
of Texas because he had to have it to win the General Election! JFK Hated Johnson and
looked upon him has nothing but a spy for the cabal!
Trump also hates Cruz but a deal will be struck!

[bettye198]

At the UK bookmakers Hillary jumped from a 6 - 5 favorite to almost a 2 - 1 favorite in the last few days to win it all.

I don't even know what that means... haha, she's twice as likely as her opponent to win?

Unless Hillary drops dead ... she will win ... that simple.

Caveat of course unless the "emergency" scenario (of which there are multiple and easily implemented) prompts keeping Obummer in office.

Don't think it could happen???

Hmmm ...

Calz you took the words out of my mouth. I have deep suspicion that Trump has been the entertainment and Hillary will sneak in there with voting fraud. The Democrat agenda is conditioned to live on. And no matter how or what we think, unless there is martial law and Obama stays in office, we may be seeing Trump losing.

[jagman]

Hillary will be indicted in 3 weeks! The Writing is on the Wall! The aide who installed her private
server was given immunity a few days ago to talk to the FEDS.Anybody who knows anything about
American Law knows that when someone gets immunity from the Feds it's for a good reason.
This is also the Opinion of Judge Andrew Napolitano.

Plus Obama hates Hillary and this will be his final slap in her face!

[TrumanCash]

TRUMP TAKES ON BLM (http://www.rgj.com/story/opinion/voices/2016/01/07/trump-nevada-us-need-president-who-obeys-rule-law/78422530/) -- WILL HE END UP LIKE LAVOY FINICUM (http://www.sltrib.com/home/3616623-155/lavoy-finicums-widow-tells-utah-rally)?

"In Nevada, the lack of enforcement of immigration laws and the draconian rule of the BLM are damaging the economy, lowering the standard of living and inhibiting natural economic growth."

“The BLM controls over 85 percent of the land in Nevada. In the rural areas, those who for decades have had access to public lands for ranching, mining, logging and energy development are forced to deal with arbitrary and capricious rules that are influenced by special interests that profit from the D.C. rule-making and who fill the campaign coffers of Washington politicians,” Trump wrote. “Honest, hardworking citizens who seek freedom and economic independence must beg for deference from a federal government that is more intent on power and control than it is in serving the citizens of the nation.”

"When I am elected president, I will bring the executive branch back inside the Constitution and will work with Congress to put America first."

“In and around Clark County, the situation is even worse,” Trump said, referring to the swath of land which, in 2014, was the site of the famous Bundy Ranch standoff in Bunkerville, Nevada.

“Because the BLM is so reluctant to release land to local disposition in Nevada,” Trump said, “the cost of land has skyrocketed and the cost of living has become an impediment to growth.” [Source (http://www.rgj.com/story/opinion/voices/2016/01/07/trump-nevada-us-need-president-who-obeys-rule-law/78422530/)]

[onawah]

Can you provide a link for that info, please, Jagman?

Hillary will be indicted in 3 weeks! The Writing is on the Wall! The aide who installed her private
server was given immunity a few days ago to talk to the FEDS.Anybody who knows anything about
American Law knows that when someone gets immunity from the Feds it's for a good reason.
This is also the Opinion of Judge Andrew Napolitano.

Plus Obama hates Hillary and this will be his final slap in her face!

[Becky]

Here is something a friend of mine posted on Facebook. Pretty much sums up what Trump rally's have turned into. The parallels to Hitler keep growing yet Trump supporters focus on his hardline, no bull**** attitude. Why won't they look at the substance of his message? It boggles my mind, especially when I see otherwise intelligent humans blindly following a lunatic....


Okay, so I'm going to go ahead and share my experience at Donald Trump's rally in Warren, MI today. We'll start with why I went. I am a firm believer in being educated on ALL candidates, not just the one you're rooting for, so Stephanie and I decided to attend. If you know me, it's no surprise that I am not a fan of Trump due to his racist, misogynist, and popularity-searching "campaign". But I try to keep an open mind, understanding that people have different views and everyone is entitled to their own. I wore a shirt bashing Trump, and Stephanie wore a pro-Bernie Sanders baseball hat. We had no intentions of causing a scene, starting any fights, or even speaking negatively towards any Trump-supporters. We stood in the crowd with everyone else, even made small talk with a few different people, asking back and forth about each other's views. A women supporting Trump even complimented our hat and shirt. This is not a post to bash all Trump-supporters. Most of the people we spoke to were very kind to us, as we were to them. Trump came out and started his speech. As hard as it was, we ignored the screams and chants of building walls and exporting citizens. We stood quietly and listened to the man speak. Every 15 or so minutes, a scene would happen where the crowd would yell about protestors and Trump would scream, "Get them out, send them out of here!" and the crowd would scream "USA, USA, USA" until the attendees who were asked to leave were escorted out. So, about 45 minutes to an hour into his speech, a group of teenage boys (who had been harassing us the entire time while we ignored their comments) screamed and pointed at us, yelling for us to be kicked out. At first we laughed it off, of course we couldn't be kicked out, we were just standing here silently. Wrong. A secret service member and a police officer were there within the minute, grabbed Stephanie and I by our arms, and started to lead us out. One of the Trump supporters we were chatting with even stood up for us, explaining that we weren't doing anything and weren't being disruptive. By now the crowd was chanting their USA run and a large portion was also booing us out. The walk through the crowd was very upsetting, being screamed at and filmed, even one man said "Go to China if you like communism so much!" (Communism?? Don't you mean democratic socialism??). But also, along the walk out, some attendees would high five us or shake our hands, and thank us for coming and supporting Bernie. It felt weird to be thanked, due to us not doing anything besides standing quietly. As the two men walked us out, one explained that if we returned we would be arrested. Stephanie quickly asked why that was. The man replied with "They don't want you here," to which she said "Isn't it a constitutional right to silently protest?" The officer replied "Not here." The rude remarks and yells didn't stop at the door, for Trump-supporters who didn't get in greeted us with just as much hatred. The walk back to my truck even included a man yelling from his car about how this was for Trump people and that we didn't belong here and shouldn't have come. This kind of hatred is what is ruining this country. To think that my right to protest was taken from me AT A RALLY, scares the hell out of me for if Trump actually became president and got that power. What else would he take away from us if he can't even stand two teenage girls standing silently at a FREE, PUBLIC, OPEN-TO-EVERYONE event? If you're thinking of voting Trump this year, please rethink your stance. This much hate belongs nowhere near the presidency.
This is truly shocking !!!

[Hervé]

Can you provide a link for that info, please, Jagman?

Hillary will be indicted in 3 weeks! The Writing is on the Wall! The aide who installed her private
server was given immunity a few days ago to talk to the FEDS.Anybody who knows anything about
American Law knows that when someone gets immunity from the Feds it's for a good reason.
This is also the Opinion of Judge Andrew Napolitano.

Plus Obama hates Hillary and this will be his final slap in her face!

Here is one: The Hillary Clinton emails: A record of imperialist crimes (http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/03/07/clin-m07.html)

Shorter version here (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/03/03/judge-napolitano-says-hillary-clinton-should-be-terrified-over-new-revelation-in-email-scandal-and-this-simple-question/) (<---)

[Ron Mauer Sr]

If the dark side cabal is truly against Trump then that reason alone may be reason to support Trump.

I support freedom, well being, joy, love and truth. Do any of the candidates?

[onawah]

deleted by Onawah (changed my mind)

If the dark side cabal is truly against Trump then that reason alone may be reason to support Trump.

I support freedom, well being, joy, love and truth. Do any of the candidates?

[Calz]

If the dark side cabal is truly against Trump then that reason alone may be reason to support Trump.

I support freedom, well being, joy, love and truth. Do any of the candidates?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ yes that.


We are having the bar raised for insanity across the board ... perhaps normal for presidential runs but this seems way over the top.

As for Hillary emails ... allegedly much of the FBI is in revolt unless she is taken to task (wonder where they were with the lengthy trail of bodies or the stinger missiles and standown?).

As for Trump be careful ... great lengths are being taken to bring him down by any measure. The fraud and outright hoaxes abound.


As far as a member (who btw has suggested that Trump supporters are "IGNORANT RIGHT WINGERS" who now suggests a "friend" on "Facebook" says this or that ...).

No bias there eh... no proof ... about as sound as a room full of Hitler salutes ...


Make up your own minds.


Having said that I have been quite happy this thread has stayed "civil".


I hope it continues to do the same.


If not I will close it.

[Hervé]

En bref (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/thanks-to-the-republican-establishment-every-scenario-ends-with-hillary-clinton-winning-the-2016-election)...


According to Real Clear Politics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html), the latest three polls all have Trump losing to Clinton by at least 5 points. In key states such as Michigan, the numbers are quite a bit more dismal (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/06/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-michigan-primary-polls-bernie-sanders-ted-cruz-marco-rubio/81403264/). Over the next few months, those numbers are likely to get even worse as Trump is savagely assaulted by the Republican establishment and relentlessly bombarded by tens of millions of dollars of negative attack ads. Meanwhile, Clinton is cruising along virtually unscathed.

Of course in a just world Hillary Clinton would have already been arrested and put in prison. There is no possible way that she should be running for president of the United States. Unfortunately, we live in a deeply corrupt society, and this is the way that things work.

[Peace of Mind]

It’s all a façade.

Divert attention and divide the masses with extreme buffoonery. This is another classic distraction tactic. Pretend to have the worse of the worse running for office… while the (already known) undesirable candidate cleverly slips into office…simply because they appear to be the “fairer” candidate.

It’s odd that many of us spend so much time on examining and choosing representation…just to constantly get it wrong over and over. Hmmm…very odd in deed.
We were never meant to be governed, especially by any of today’s so called politicians/leaders. It’s hard to imagine why we don’t deserve the consequences that always come from participating in these irresponsible, unfair, disparaging endeavors.

Peace

[ozmirage]

THE SECRET OF GOOD GOVERNMENT
● Government instituted to secure endowed rights = good.
● Government taking from one to give to another = bad.

[Calz]

It’s all a façade.

Divert attention and divide the masses with extreme buffoonery. This is another classic distraction tactic. Pretend to have the worse of the worse running for office… while the (already known) undesirable candidate cleverly slips into office…simply because they appear to be the “fairer” candidate.

It’s odd that many of us spend so much time on examining and choosing representation…just to constantly get it wrong over and over. Hmmm…very odd in deed.
We were never meant to be governed, especially by any of today’s so called politicians/leaders. It’s hard to imagine why we don’t deserve the consequences that always come from participating in these irresponsible, unfair, disparaging endeavors.

Peace


Under normal circumstances I would (and would always have) agree(d).

This is the whole point of this thread ... this is someone outside of the system.


Aside from what I listed in the OP we now have what ... vaccines ... nafta .. BLM???


This guy is suggesting he wants to virtually take on the globalists across the board.


If this was politics as normal then yes laugh ... they say anything and as soon as elected the slate goes clean ... they are called before their masters ... and told *exactly* what they can and cannot do.


This "feels" different ... big time.

[Peace of Mind]

Divide and conquer. Get enough people divided (for whatever reason) and put the formally undesirable in power with minimal votes/effort.

They are using their “Trump” card on the masses. He will never get in…he’s just being used to waste “good votes” and to disguise a movement.

Peace

[Calz]

There have been vids (which I have already posted) suggesting Trump is the least vocal for starting WW3.

WW3???

Do we really want to go there???

Are we really crazy enough to do that???

To what end???

Fulfilling bible propechy???

Please ...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8BTMK9c1XE

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Divide and conquer. Get enough people divided (for whatever reason) and put the formally undesirable in power with minimal votes/effort.

They are using their “Trump” card on the masses. He will never get in…he’s just being used to waste “good votes” and to disguise a movement.

Peace


I have suggested on this thread several times he has less than 1% chance of being elected.

Signing off as "Peace" ... I expect you wish nothing to do with Hillary???

[Ron Mauer Sr]

My hope and wish is that humans become so smart, so clever, so intuitive so that humans can no longer be manipulated.
I have no doubt that is what is coming.
But how many lifetimes will it take?

[Peace of Mind]

There have been vids (which I have already posted) suggesting Trump is the least vocal for starting WW3.

WW3???

Do we really want to go there???

Are we really crazy enough to do that???

To what end???

Fulfilling bible propechy???

Please ...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8BTMK9c1XE

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Divide and conquer. Get enough people divided (for whatever reason) and put the formally undesirable in power with minimal votes/effort.

They are using their “Trump” card on the masses. He will never get in…he’s just being used to waste “good votes” and to disguise a movement.

Peace


I have suggested on this thread several times he has less than 1% chance of being elected.

Signing off as "Peace" ... I expect you wish nothing to do with Hillary???

We don’t need any of them to make decisions for us. All we need is us.

They all lie about everything…. Wars, economy, technology, etc…
No need for these “out of touch” rich people that gained their massive wealth through corruption, injustice, greed, and the hardship of others. Having such mind sets in office to represent people that are actually not of their nature or pedigree has always proven to be unfortunate for the masses/the whole....as the “representor” receives your rights and blessings to continue being inconspicuously oppressing. Why is that?

We need to change the format if we are to expect different results, no other way around that. How can society become more aware and educated, but still choose to uphold flawed, encumbering social systems? Because we allow it.


Peace

[Calz]

We don’t need any of them to make decisions for us. All we need is us.

Peace


I don't disbelieve you at all ... after discounting virtually a whole lifetime of "new age" ... it now takes more.

I need 3D in my face ... sorry ...

Shall we all do the write in of "us" on the ballot???


How do we uphold social systems ... how do we allow it???


Seriously ....


What is your suggestion on stopping it???


Changing the format???


Sounds good ... care to elaborate?