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thepainterdoug
4th May 2016, 05:00
I don't know what to think of Donald Trump. I neither like him nor dislike him for I only know his public image. And I suppose in a healthy world he would not even be considered in a discussion for President of the USA. However, this Country and its political reality is far from healthy. All this being said, somehow Im really thrilled he is in this election cycle if only for the unknown chaos he can potentially deliver to a broken system.

As a kid,my brother and I often watched professional wrestling when my grandparents were watching us. I remember Bruno Sammartino, the Russian Ivan Koloff , a giant from Japan called Baba the Giant, Killer Kowalski , the Sheik from the middle east and so on. As I look back I imagine that these were a group of athletes that at one time probably had an authentic interest in true wrestling. However true wrestling would never pay the bills and only appeals to a small audience.
So these guys joined up to be professionals and play their part in a grand illusion.
I remember resisting my grandparents as they were telling my brother and I that this was all fake ,scripted and a bunch of B .S. We were quite distressed.

Vince McMann the head of the WWF saw the genius in the phony. Just script it, give the players a costume and a “good vs evil “ title to divide the audience , control the result and give the people what they want. They want a winner that represents their world view and makes them feel good about themselves.And it doesn't rally matter if its real or not.

This business model in my opinion is most like our political system today. Following the disaster of the Bush administration, I voted for Barak Obama ,the most hopeful antidote to this disaster. My excitement and optimism in his campaign promises was shared by many. A return to transparent government, a stop to the business of endless wars, a stop to the Orwellian spying policies and a repairing our standing in the world that once was. He was the good wrestler vs the bad one. So what happened? Seems I was had.

So this time around as everyone around me is buying into the election cycle, I'm not the same guy once steamed up over this candidate or that, this party or that .
I now see it thru the genius lens of pro wrestling.
Pro wrestling is fake,scripted and designed for the best outcome of its own business. And somehow people don't mind. This is proven by it's amazing success with fans who still show up to sold out shows regardless of knowing how fake it all is.

Realizing what I know today regarding the secret government that people like Eisenhower, JFK , Senator Daniel Inouye and many others warned us of , the professional wrestling model is the best analogy I can make to the sickness of our present political reality. Fake is simply the new real.

So my participation and “Patriotism"today is now centered in my own best daily actions with my own voice and skills, hands on and shared with others. I also try to support and share the knowledge and writings of our best visionaries,activists,whistleblowers and independent researchers we have. Truth needs to be the new real again.


thoughts on this election go around? thanks

Rex
4th May 2016, 11:50
Trump and McMahon are buddies, they even did a wrestling "skit" together:

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I realize Trump is controversial, and I never really liked the guy, but I love what he's doing. Say what you will, but he's brought more transparency to the nomination process than any candidate I can remember. Let's see him do the same in the White House.

Calz
4th May 2016, 12:02
I never expected him to get this far ... long way til the general election (... and inauguration).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxaKUo5naoY

mgray
4th May 2016, 12:16
I believe there is plenty of support for Trump, but you don't hear about it, since most journalist covering this campaign will be voting for Hillary.

The narrative of him being a clown and unworthy comes from a liberal bias of not wanting to see Obama's creeping socialism being undone.

My take here (http://wp.me/ppklu-wf).

risveglio
4th May 2016, 12:29
I'll be voting for Gary Johnson or Austin Petersen if I bother to vote but I honestly have no clue what to expect from Trump though I doubt it will be good. As Scott Horton says, when a politician makes a bad promise, you know he will keep it. Hilary to me is just another Clintonote, Bush, Obama.

The nice thing is I think Trump has destroyed establishment Republicans

thepainterdoug
4th May 2016, 14:35
Calz/ thanks for posting. My Mom who recently passed was in a local nursing home . An older women there told me she knew the Trump family very well. She said don't believe any of the crap being said against him, saying they are the nicest people you could ever imagine.

PurpleLama
4th May 2016, 14:44
I don't like Trump in the least, but it's about time to go find me some Hillary is a War Criminal t-shirts. Following the reasoning of the OP, I'd say it's a fair bet (ask Chester/Sam) that if elected, Trump may prove to be far worse for this country than she could be, following the pattern of how much better Obama appeared than McCain in '08.

Sean
4th May 2016, 15:22
Those of us who grew up or spent any good amount of time in NYC know Trump..he's as dirty as any politician..but he's entertaining. I can't figure out if the whole campaign is an "oke-doke" meant to ensure Hillary wins the white house, or if he's for real..IF he's for real, he beats Hillary in a landslide. If it's all a show, he'll amp up his buffoonery to a place where Hillary is the only logical choice.

6 months untill november, we'll know by july/august if Trump really wants to win.

conk
4th May 2016, 17:17
Trump is seen as the antidote to the status quo. Were he to actually become president he would quickly find himself against the huge corporate behemoth that always gets its way. He couldn't possibly make a difference. No one can, I fear. The changes must come from grass-roots types, small towns and communities, even states, standing up to the federal giant. Change doesn't come from the top down, unless its change for the worse.

Koyaanisqatsi
4th May 2016, 17:35
I don't know what to think of Donald Trump. I neither like him nor dislike him for I only know his public image. And I suppose in a healthy world he would not even be considered in a discussion for President of the USA. However, this Country and its political reality is far from healthy. All this being said, somehow Im really thrilled he is in this election cycle if only for the unknown chaos he can potentially deliver to a broken system.

As a kid,my brother and I often watched professional wrestling when my grandparents were watching us. I remember Bruno Sammartino, the Russian Ivan Koloff , a giant from Japan called Baba the Giant, Killer Kowalski , the Sheik from the middle east and so on. As I look back I imagine that these were a group of athletes that at one time probably had an authentic interest in true wrestling. However true wrestling would never pay the bills and only appeals to a small audience.
So these guys joined up to be professionals and play their part in a grand illusion.
I remember resisting my grandparents as they were telling my brother and I that this was all fake ,scripted and a bunch of B .S. We were quite distressed.

Vince McMann the head of the WWF saw the genius in the phony. Just script it, give the players a costume and a “good vs evil “ title to divide the audience , control the result and give the people what they want. They want a winner that represents their world view and makes them feel good about themselves.And it doesn't rally matter if its real or not.

This business model in my opinion is most like our political system today. Following the disaster of the Bush administration, I voted for Barak Obama ,the most hopeful antidote to this disaster. My excitement and optimism in his campaign promises was shared by many. A return to transparent government, a stop to the business of endless wars, a stop to the Orwellian spying policies and a repairing our standing in the world that once was. He was the good wrestler vs the bad one. So what happened? Seems I was had.

So this time around as everyone around me is buying into the election cycle, I'm not the same guy once steamed up over this candidate or that, this party or that .
I now see it thru the genius lens of pro wrestling.
Pro wrestling is fake,scripted and designed for the best outcome of its own business. And somehow people don't mind. This is proven by it's amazing success with fans who still show up to sold out shows regardless of knowing how fake it all is.

Realizing what I know today regarding the secret government that people like Eisenhower, JFK , Senator Daniel Inouye and many others warned us of , the professional wrestling model is the best analogy I can make to the sickness of our present political reality. Fake is simply the new real.

So my participation and “Patriotism"today is now centered in my own best daily actions with my own voice and skills, hands on and shared with others. I also try to support and share the knowledge and writings of our best visionaries,activists,whistleblowers and independent researchers we have. Truth needs to be the new real again.


thoughts on this election go around? thanks

This is an incredibly insightful post Doug! I like the correlations you draw. seems to be a nice working hypothesis youve constructed here. Depressing though

WhiteLove
4th May 2016, 18:18
The sad thing about Trump is his language and what that language could translate into. Everything he says is about how everybody else are wimps/losers/cowards that did very little and how he is going to be this grand deal maker that nobody will mess with. So that means he says things like "I am the most militaristic guy ... I will re-build our military so strong... When you go to war you need to do so properly...". Look it up on Alex Jones show. He says this kind of stuff and what he means is that he means it. This kind of playing on the political arena does not scale. If all leaders suddenly decide to upgrade their toughness like this against everybody else, then it means the world turns into more of what it already is, it's a loss for peace. On the upside is that the other candidates are unclear in other ways and that Trump does not appear foreign to taking new courses. With a Christian perspective I think there is a potential for a more peaceful version of Trump, but it has to become clear, and it is not clear. Under the right circumstances it could turn out great, under the wrong circumstances it could turn out very bad. Hence there is great polarity, which these days seems to translate into "popularity". What I hope if he gets elected is that some of the "bold talk" was politically motivated rather than "real talk" so to speak and that if he becomes president he sets out a peaceful strategy. When so, good things can and will happen.

Calz
4th May 2016, 19:29
I don't like Trump in the least, but it's about time to go find me some Hillary is a War Criminal t-shirts. Following the reasoning of the OP, I'd say it's a fair bet (ask Chester/Sam) that if elected, Trump may prove to be far worse for this country than she could be, following the pattern of how much better Obama appeared than McCain in '08.


Talking about picking amongst the lessor of two evils ...


Let's break it down:


1): Hillary NWO elite pick ... take your chip ... die.

2): Trump ... ????


Any questions???

thepainterdoug
4th May 2016, 19:40
I don't think anyone knows how to evaluate Trump. This is a bonus in my opinion. I have seen enough election cycles come and go since that day I saw JFK put away and that was a strong message to hold over successive presidents I believe. Trumps value is that we cannot evaluate him, what he will do or say or even trip across in this process.
I have this great imagining that he will comment on the scam of 9/11 with building 7 as the most obvious point for the unaware. And just one person in his position that would mention something like this to the millions of unaware could cause the damn to break .
If he is a player in the wrestling scenario I mentioned , and just taking a role, well enjoy any little area you can carve out for yourself in this life , because if that is true, they are too smart for most of us.

Calz
4th May 2016, 19:46
Well ... Trump actually winning the election and coming into term is a rather dramatic stretch even at this point.

It is starting to make me wonder a bit .... will there even be an election???

Cidersomerset
4th May 2016, 20:36
http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.15.1/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

John Kasich, last Republican Trump rival, 'quits race'

1 hour ago
From the section US & Canada

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/A6AD/production/_89596624_kasichthursday.jpg
Mr Kasich only won his home state, Ohio, in primary elections

Ohio Governor John Kasich has dropped out of the presidential race after
struggling to gain traction against Republican front-runner Donald Trump.


Read More...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36201042

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Trump Deals Devastating Blow To Lying' Ted In Indiana

By David on 4 May 2016 GMT

http://www.wnd.com/2016/05/indiana-results-trump-clears-path-to-gop-nomination/

Sierra
4th May 2016, 21:36
What will be, will be, and our votes will have nothing to do with what will be.

The agenda will continue without a hitch no matter who is preselected/predestined/chosen by the people to attain office, and I include all nominees as members of the unilateral agenda. There is no two party system, it's fake bread and circuses, smoke and mirrors.

:facepalm:

onawah
4th May 2016, 22:08
There is good reason to be disillusioned with the whole political system, but I have one lingering hope, and that is that there is still enough energy (though probably most of it coming from younger generations, at this point) to generate something of a grass roots revolution which can still affect change, if it continues and builds.
Bernie Sanders' supporters are manifesting that kind of energy and if it isn't crushed, it may help to create a tipping point, where TPTB will really have to start making concessions to the demands of the people.
However locked down the system may appear to be and fully able to keep us enslaved, the positive energy created in such revolutionary movements is the opposite of Loosh, and weakens the controllers, causing havoc in their ranks and making it easier to see where their weak points are.
It was clear to me, back in the 60s and 70s when I witnessed or was part of protests, that when protesters gave in to anger, fear, desire for vengeance, chaos, etc., nothing was accomplished.
That kind of energy creates Loosh, and feeds the enemy.
Peaceful, loving, enthusiastic protests that are fueled by love of life, faith in mankind and unity have the opposite affect.
It's that which can create the way to true change for the good.
It's not Bernie who is responsible for that though he is an inspiration and a reminder of what kind of power that energy can create--he was there; he was part of it in the 60s and 70s and he obviously hasn't forgotten, which is pretty remarkable after having been in politics for so long.
I'm surprised that more Avalonians don't seem to be seeing there might be a path there that can help the people take back the power that has been usurped.

thepainterdoug
4th May 2016, 22:30
As a person I like Bernie and Im happy he is giving the young some hope and getting them out there. but I have seen it all and feel if he got in, he would be co opted into the system and congress would prevent most of his ideas. i also do not think higher taxes on anyone is the answer. Taxes should be lowered for all. I actually believe that in a sane world a flat tax of maybe 10 percent across the board would be a great idea but it will never happen. Tax cheats and off shoring should be stopped and a bloated war driving military needs to be stopped above all.

onawah
5th May 2016, 03:00
Bernie is just a sign that something is happening, he's not the answer.
It's not a question of whether he wins or not.
No matter who wins, the point is whether the momentum of belief in the possibility of positive change continues.
There is no quick fix that I can see.
I think it's a question of working for the best outcome in each situation that people can, step by step, inch by inch, in whatever way calls to each individual.
Improvement may not be immediate or obvious, but reform happens when there is enough momentum built up until the resistance to it can no longer withstand it.
Where there's a will, there's a way.

skyflower
5th May 2016, 04:57
Initially I thought Trump was a joke....then I saw the establishment try very hard to take him down....

I'm beginning to think Trump might just be on to something.

happyuk
5th May 2016, 16:52
... I suppose in a healthy world he would not even be considered in a discussion for President of the USA.

An excellent post. Anyone who makes money through running a casino, which Trump did for quite some time, is not morally qualified to run a country in my opinion. We have had our fill of nutty casino-like behavior on Wall Street and the impact it has had on society and don't want want more of the same.

I see Trump as a kind of anarchist, who has little interest in actually governing and putting the brakes on the kind of extreme behavior we have seen in the past. He is all vainglory, showbiz and vaudeville.

thepainterdoug
5th May 2016, 18:07
happyuk/ so true he's an unknown entity and somehow we have come to this point. i can only hope he jars loose some stuff that reveals truths needed to be heard by the unawake. in this he will serve his purpose. but if goes all the way, well ...

risveglio
5th May 2016, 18:09
If Trump was an anarchist he would get my vote like Kokesh already has for 2020 but Trump is no anarchist. He is an authoritarian. He wants to run your life. Just like Hillary and just like Bernie.

Cidersomerset
5th May 2016, 21:23
just looking at some articles from RT .......

Trump-pede? Cruz and Kasich drop out of US presidential race

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Published on 4 May 2016

Ohio Governor John Kasich is suspending his campaign for president, leaving
Donald Trump as the presumptive Republican nominee. Texas Senator Ted Cruz
dropped out Tuesday night, following Trump’s triumph in the Indiana primary.
Read MORE: http://on.rt.com/7bs4

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This is an interesting discussion....

CrossTalk on Trump and Clinton: Realist vs. Hawk?

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Published on 4 May 2016

On this edition of CrossTalk we ask some simple questions: What kind of foreign
policy would Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump pursue as president – would that
foreign policy be good for the world and the United States – or are they two sides
of the same exceptionalist coin?
CrossTalking with Stephen Schlesinger, Ray McGovern, and Jeffrey Tayler.

Octavusprime
6th May 2016, 01:50
I believe there is plenty of support for Trump, but you don't hear about it, since most journalist covering this campaign will be voting for Hillary.

The narrative of him being a clown and unworthy comes from a liberal bias of not wanting to see Obama's creeping socialism being undone.

My take here (http://wp.me/ppklu-wf).

The narrative of him being a clown and unworthy comes from listening to him speak. He just spews words from his mouth. The man will never, ever admit he is wrong. Horrible and frightening traits of a leader. Sociopath and demagogue come to mind. Liberals and Conservatives alike see the dangers in this man.

Just cause he isn't the establishment doesn't make him a good choice.

lunaflare
6th May 2016, 08:03
Fake is simply the new real. lol. Well said, painter-doug, but I suspect Trump's sweep-over is real.
I do believe this political wrestling match is pre-scripted.
The more bizarre and ridiculous, the better
The more divisive, the better
The more "larger than life", the better
It cannot be taken too seriously...

If we are co-creators of our reality, where are we focusing our attention?
We are willing spectators, are we not?

turiya
6th May 2016, 19:06
...it's about time to go find me some Hillary is a War Criminal t-shirts. .

Here ya go...


http://static1.squarespace.com/static/557b41f8e4b0e197d1188067/t/55a5a61fe4b0264e961a50ee/1436919328225/Hillary+for+Prison+Shirt.png?format=1500w

more of a selection here (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22hillary+for+prison%22+t-shirt&biw=1012&bih=620&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj25O_hkcbMAhWE2SYKHRWyDIMQ_AUIsAMoAQ#im grc=mSslj3Tj1DUdcM%3A).

thepainterdoug
6th May 2016, 19:37
If we are co-creators of our reality, where are we focusing our attention?
We are willing spectators, are we not?

Lunaflare/ I always think of this and your right. but I just can't pass on the entertainment!

turiya
6th May 2016, 21:50
The narrative of him being a clown and unworthy comes from listening to him speak. He just spews words from his mouth. The man will never, ever admit he is wrong.

Oh contraire, mon ami...

Donald Trump Admits He Makes Mistakes (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/donald-trump-admits-he-makes-mistakes.html)


"After what has surely been the worst week of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, the candidate has been trying out a new, very un-Trump-like tactic: admitting his mistakes. In a new interview with New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, the GOP front-runner admitted that he should not have retweeted a very unflattering image of Ted Cruz’s wife Heidi juxtaposed with a glam shot of Trump’s wife Melania.

“Yeah, it was a mistake,” he told Dowd, conceding that “If I had to do it again, I wouldn’t have sent it.”
[...]

"Back on Fox News Sunday, Trump also gave a succinct overall explanation for why he doesn’t apologize, as a matter of principle, noting that, “A lot of times, when you apologize, they use it as ammunition against [you].” But by admitting a pair of mistakes and acknowledging his inexperience after such a dismal week, Trump has now gotten the closest he ever has to going on an apology tour, so perhaps he's finally realized that projecting infallibility can wound you, just the same."
SOURCE (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/donald-trump-admits-he-makes-mistakes.html)

Donald Trump Admits Comparing His Wife and Ted Cruz’s Was Wrong (http://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-admits-mistake-ted-cruz-wife/)

Donald Trump Admits He Says Horrible Things Just To Keep People Interested In Him (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-presidential-campaign_us_56acef96e4b0010e80ea4d6e)

Donald Trump admits skipping debate may have hurt him in Iowa (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/03/donald-trump-admits-skipping-debate-may-have-hurt-him-in-iowa.html)

Donald Trump admits to making ‘childish’ comments towards GOP competitors (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-admits-childish-comments-gop-rivals-article-1.2379403)

Jimmy Fallon to Trump: Have you ever apologized? Answer: http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_zcz94oog


Just cause he isn't the establishment doesn't make him a good choice.
Since the recent past, Have you ever seen an establishment candidate that was a good choice?

DeDukshyn
6th May 2016, 23:00
Having to choose between Trump and Hillary be like ...

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/thefw.com/files/2012/11/funny-gif-Jim-Carrey-arrows-legs.gif

bettye198
6th May 2016, 23:36
I have not had a political allegiance in so long I have forgotten. I have been disgusted beyond words at the political arena. That said, Trump brought some evidence that he is human, not a robot and besides being a laugh a minute, he is more honest and real than any person up on the podium that reads from their notes ( Bernie ) or teleprompters. I fell asleep with the Bush gang. I guess JFK's death left me empty that the end had come. Here is some FYI. I am from the NY/NJ area and I know how people talk and carry on with that background. Trump is not putting on a show as some think. That is the way of the New Yorker. All my family talked like that back to the grandparents. His gestures my grandmother used to have til her dying day. So judging his personality is kinda funny to me as that is who he is, from where he is from. His passion is dynamite because he has had yearssss of confidence in a conference room. We as the citizens have really never been exposed to a hard core businessman running for commander in chief. Did the man who ran Detroit have that chutzpah? Maybe. ( sorry forgot his name but my Dad always wanted him to run). Trump's fanfare is a deathblow to our senses because we are NOT used to it. He has the propensity of seeing the peripheral. I like that because I grew up with that gift and maybe it is my culture or background but I thought all kids had that vision until I found out that wasn't so.
Do we want the real change that Obama had people crying about? Of course we do and I have waited 8 yrs on that.
All we can do is hope to God that he stands stalwart in his beliefs and platform.

lunaflare
7th May 2016, 00:02
If we are co-creators of our reality, where are we focusing our attention?
We are willing spectators, are we not?

Lunaflare/ I always think of this and your right. but I just can't pass on the entertainment!

Yeah, I get it. Pass the popcorn...

thepainterdoug
7th May 2016, 16:30
Bettye198/ great comments, and I so feel the same. I'm from same area as you! NY NJ all my life/ doug

bettye198
10th May 2016, 00:14
We are kindred souls painterdoug. We have a patient who is from Brooklyn and people don't get her but I do. She is smart funny and no nonsense. Since I live in California I so miss that colorful flair about people. It was much easier to laugh with people about life back East.