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halcyon026
8th August 2016, 16:08
I thought the subject of Free Will and Voting as a means to get our permission, would be an interesting topic.
The general idea is that, if this is a Free Will universe. A group would need permission to enslave us, use us, abuse us, poison us, kill us, control us, etc.
So, how would you get the masses agreement to their treatment, way of life, giving up their freedom? You'd need some sort of mass scale means to get everyone's 'Okay'. You'd need to convince everyone that doing this is exercising your power, that this is how you get what you want, that this is fair and equal, they would use public shaming against you if you don't use it...
You want to get the masses to agree to your system, to say YES I support this system, YES I acknowledge and validate this system, YES I agree to this, YES I believe in this system, YES you can make my laws for me, YES you can control my money, YES you can do your wars and I'll support your troops... etc.
The question, is voting a permission getting system? Are we actually giving up our freedom, our sovereignty, by voting in their system?
GB_Cobber
8th August 2016, 16:28
I agree. Since in Australia voting is compulsory(how's that for a free country?) and thus a forced rather than free will choice, the acknowledgement and permission is not a valid issue. It's still a personal reason but I don't vote mainly for other reasons. Primarily because if I cannot make an informed choice I choose to not make a choice that will invariably affect others, and obviously, when politicians lie, an informed choice is impossible. Nor do I care to keep up to speed with politics. I also realise that any democratic system is prone to cater to the lowest common denominator and thus provides a continuous incentive to lower rather than raise common awareness and intelligence, so I refuse to support such a system. The world is dumb enough already.
petra
8th August 2016, 16:47
I don't know enough about politics to vote! I'd feel as silly voting as if I were agreeing to arranged marriage, a bit of a big decision with little to no information.
halcyon026
8th August 2016, 17:11
I agree. Since in Australia voting is compulsory(how's that for a free country?) and thus a forced rather than free will choice, the acknowledgement and permission is not a valid issue. It's still a personal reason but I don't vote mainly for other reasons. Primarily because if I cannot make an informed choice I choose to not make a choice that will invariably affect others, and obviously, when politicians lie, an informed choice is impossible. Nor do I care to keep up to speed with politics. I also realise that any democratic system is prone to cater to the lowest common denominator and thus provides a continuous incentive to lower rather than raise common awareness and intelligence, so I refuse to support such a system. The world is dumb enough already.
I don't know enough about politics to vote! I'd feel as silly voting as if I were agreeing to arranged marriage, a bit of a big decision with little to no information.
I don't think it's such a bad thing to not be educated on a fake system...
I for one, see politics as a fake show. It's made up, scripted, staged, etc. In the same way I bet most on here wouldn't take Scientology seriously, I see politics the same way, it's of no interest. I am interested in who is putting on the fake show though... I put a lot of time into learning about the puppet owners, I put no time into learning about their puppets other than how they are being used or what their real role is.
Why spend time and energy watching politicians lie about a fake system as a means to educate myself?
Orph
8th August 2016, 18:12
You want to get the masses to agree to your system, to say YES I support this system, YES I acknowledge and validate this system, YES I agree to this, YES I believe in this system, YES you can make my laws for me, YES you can control my money, YES you can do your wars and I'll support your troops... etc.
The question, is voting a permission getting system? Are we actually giving up our freedom, our sovereignty, by voting in their system?Ahhhhhhhhh. You've seen the light as to what a sham voting really is. It's exactly as you mentioned above. ^^^^^^^^^^^
We're taught that it's a privilege and a right to vote. That at least here in the USA we are supposed to be a country that's run by "We The People". What a croc. It's exactly as you mentioned, and that is, by voting you give "them" the right to govern you.
ZooLife
8th August 2016, 18:52
I agree. Since in Australia voting is compulsory(how's that for a free country?)
Ridiculous!
Not voting IS a form of voting IMO. It is a fundamental vote of no confidence in the current political process for electing leaders.
Even if we had a vote on changing a political process or complete overhaul, it would be marred by the current process in place. What do they call that? A double bind?
GB_Cobber
8th August 2016, 19:06
I for one, see politics as a fake show. It's made up, scripted, staged, etc. In the same way I bet most on here wouldn't take Scientology seriously, I see politics the same way, it's of no interest. I am interested in who is putting on the fake show though... I put a lot of time into learning about the puppet owners, I put no time into learning about their puppets other than how they are being used or what their real role is.
Why spend time and energy watching politicians lie about a fake system as a means to educate myself?
Hey, even modern politics is still a greenhorn wannabe compared to the con game that is life itself, which is where it gets its idea's and which in turn provides us insight into the con game of life. Where do you think the word consciousness comes from. Sound it out phonetically and you will hear con choice ness. Because that's actually what consciousness is. It's not awareness. There's no need for another word for awareness or cognizance. Con choice ness or nest is a property of awareness and an inverse one at that. Con choice ness is its propensity to choose cons.
Think about that for a minute in light of your thoughts on giving up free will through choosing a tyrant to represent you. What if every choice you make in life is a vote and works the same way? And what if every choice is a con choice. to choose the con!
The prefix "Con" means against as opposed to the prefix "Pro" which mean For. A choice for something doesn't actually change anything. There is no cause and no effect. A pro choice is thus not a positive choice but a neutral choice, thus essentially no choice at all. A con choice on the other hand is a choice against something, thus a choice to resist thus to effect change, which sets up a con-sequence.
There is a great deal to this topic and etymology in general, and I don't want to write the book on it just yet. I'm just mentioning it to give you some thought food. You're looking a little hungry. haha.
There's a lot more to language than meets the eye. The way I see it so far its actually very precise code when you learn how to read it the way it was intended.
Just think of all the con words there are and what they all mean, and what it takes to go from all knowing omnipotence to being afraid of the dark? Doesn't it take an all mighty elaborate con?
greybeard
8th August 2016, 19:10
I agree. Since in Australia voting is compulsory(how's that for a free country?)
Ridiculous!
Not voting IS a form of voting IMO. It is a fundamental vote of no confidence in the current political process for electing leaders.
Even if we had a vote on changing a political process or complete overhaul, it would be marred by the current process in place. What do they call that? A double bind?
I have only voted once and that was when I was 18.
Now what would happen if no one voted I wonder.
Chris
GB_Cobber
8th August 2016, 19:14
Now what would happen if no one voted I wonder.
Chris
Oh wow! That would mean that everyone has either fallen asleep on voting day or woken up.
3(C)+me
8th August 2016, 19:18
I agree. Since in Australia voting is compulsory(how's that for a free country?)
Ridiculous!
Not voting IS a form of voting IMO. It is a fundamental vote of no confidence in the current political process for electing leaders.
Even if we had a vote on changing a political process or complete overhaul, it would be marred by the current process in place. What do they call that? A double bind?
What are you saying when you choose to vote? What is implied when you cast your vote?
"I agree with this rigged and crazy system and by casting my vote I am agreeing to this system and support it."
Because "they" know if they get you to vote you are propping this system up.
Notice how weird and strange this election has been cuz they have to pull out all the stops to get people to pay attention, like driving by an accident.
People are checking out cuz they know, on some level, it is rigged.
But I will vote local for some special issue that affects my part of this world.
shaberon
8th August 2016, 21:16
From the perspective of rulership, I would say that thought control is the easiest way to retain power; so yes, voting in any way just nurses the system.
From a personal perspective, at different times, whether I participated in a vote or not, has had no effect on my individual status; so no, it doesn't make any difference.
Slavery and killing don't operate based on permission. I would not agree I am a slave, but something more like an indentured servant.
The "actual" permission that the system has, is the lack of a coup or revolution to remove it. The closest middle ground would be a purge, placing someone in power who "cleans house" of a given faction--if I could ever vote for someone who pulled off a successful purge, I would then say my vote mattered. By "successful", it would result in something like people with "paper pusher" jobs--such as lawyers--earning less than people who do manual work--such as cleaning bathrooms. I'm pretty convinced that the status quo would never hear of anything like that.
Michelle Marie
8th August 2016, 21:22
Great line of thought.
That's why I don't vote. I do NOT give anyone permission to represent me or make laws for me.
Clearly, by following Universal Law, including harmlessness to others, as well as other morally and ethically correct behaviors that surpass the level and motives of man made laws, we follow a far more higher way to be.
I Will NOT give up my sovereignty.
Thank you for making this point on this thread.
Love to all,
Michelle Marie
Fanna
8th August 2016, 21:25
http://radgeek.com/gt/2013/07/true-power.jpg
Ellisa
9th August 2016, 00:43
Voting is not compulsory in Australia. Registering to vote at 18 and going to the polling station, getting a voting paper or a postal voting form and returning it is. However, what the voter writes on that voting paper is secret. It can be left blank, have interesting statements or bad poetry or some amazing art work on it -- that is up to you, but actually casting a valid vote is not compulsory. I realise I sound nit-picky, but that is the situation. The fine for not accepting a paper to vote (ie 'not voting') is also not much, $20.
That's a great cartoon fanna!
wnlight
9th August 2016, 03:56
I am curious, Ellisa, if you vote a blank ballot, will someone else vote for you?
LindyLou22
9th August 2016, 05:27
I thought the subject of Free Will and Voting as a means to get our permission, would be an interesting topic.
The general idea is that, if this is a Free Will universe. A group would need permission to enslave us, use us, abuse us, poison us, kill us, control us, etc.
So, how would you get the masses agreement to their treatment, way of life, giving up their freedom? You'd need some sort of mass scale means to get everyone's 'Okay'. You'd need to convince everyone that doing this is exercising your power, that this is how you get what you want, that this is fair and equal, they would use public shaming against you if you don't use it...
You want to get the masses to agree to your system, to say YES I support this system, YES I acknowledge and validate this system, YES I agree to this, YES I believe in this system, YES you can make my laws for me, YES you can control my money, YES you can do your wars and I'll support your troops... etc.
The question, is voting a permission getting system? Are we actually giving up our freedom, our sovereignty, by voting in their system?
I believe you're right, Halcyon026. All the calls to go out and vote, do your civic duty are really ringing hollow in my ears at this time. Right now I am seeing the act of voting as an affirmation of their system, and it really makes sense to me that the requested signature is more than just a notation that we live at that address. What you're saying is making a lot of sense.
This question is extremely timely for me, since we have a primary in my state tomorrow. I'm still reeling from having Bernie Sanders win my county by a landslide, yet my ultra-progressive elected representative is so pro-Hillary that she called Bernie supporters whiners as we protested the corrupt things happening within the democratic party And she expects to be re-elected.
I thought about voting tomorrow and voting against her, but now I have a good mind to go in there and just write "I do not consent."
halcyon026
9th August 2016, 17:57
I believe you're right, Halcyon026. All the calls to go out and vote, do your civic duty are really ringing hollow in my ears at this time.
Just thinking it through, if I were a ruling class, would I give others a system that can bring me down? No. So if voting could end me, why would I put so much into social engineering and propaganda around voting?
It seems you'd advertise what aids your agenda and hide what hurts it.
wnlight
13th August 2016, 03:43
I remember that when I last voted in Texas, it was impossible to write in a name on the ballot. There WAS NO paper ballot. Talk to a voting machine? But one could cast a blank vote. Now i wonder how a blank ballot is counted - if it is even noticed. Most likely, someone can modify my 'blank ballot' to vote for his choices. Who knows? In another lifetime back in the 1960s, I was an election judge and we used paper ballots. The voter could write in a name, and we counted it. Often there were a couple of votes for Donald Duck. Now I can vote in Ecuador.
I agree that whenever you cast a ballot, you are voting to continue the morally corrupt system in the USA now.
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