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AutumnW
22nd September 2016, 18:49
I commented on a thread about Arab refugees to Europe and want to start a discussion about propaganda coming out of alternative media.

We know there are huge problems with the massive waves of war refugees. True. But, I think my own opinion has been affected a little by watching videos that highlight all of the negatives, to a really alarming degree.

Also, I think the idea that all Islamic people are, at heart, jihadists, is likely wrong, too.

Just want to put that out there. Lots of good people could be hurt, damaged in what looks like a propaganda war.

TargeT
22nd September 2016, 19:07
Doesn't matter who the refugees are.. immigration is limited for a reason, flooding a country with any large group of a different culture never works out well, especially when they are as dichotomous as the "western" and "Islamic" cultures are.

Anything beyond that fact is being used, as you said; as propaganda & further divide and conquer... (which is a constant goal)

6pounder
22nd September 2016, 20:02
ive heard on a podcast some where on you tube from a guy who knows what he says, that this whole refugee "crisis" is just a media propagenda and that all what is being reported is just being blown up to look like there is a continent moving into europe. eventually the truth is that its a really small number and a picked one that make all the truble and the rest is by the media to lead the propagenda.

Sueanne47
22nd September 2016, 20:19
The whole 'trojan horse' of migrants coming into europe isnt small by any means, you only have to look at the Calais camp of migrants that want to come into the uk. Did you see the protest marches going in in Germany, and how many are protesting on youtube? there's not that many genuine refugees from Syria ~ it is mostly young men from middle east countries & africa. Also there are islamic extremists among them (migrants in the Calais camp are afraid of them) they have spread all over europe.

Flash
22nd September 2016, 20:28
ive heard on a podcast some where on you tube from a guy who knows what he says, that this whole refugee "crisis" is just a media propagenda and that all what is being reported is just being blown up to look like there is a continent moving into europe. eventually the truth is that its a really small number and a picked one that make all the truble and the rest is by the media to lead the propagenda.

No, it is not only propaganda. France will be Muslim within 10 years as it goes. The culture between the west and the middle east are really clashing in terms of values, behaviors, etc. Difficult integratiion ahead. In fact, it is the muslim who are asking the occidental culture to adapt and change to become like them.

I was at the market the other day and a guy was paying his food, with his wife at his side, no scarf or nothing. However, he started to flirt the cashier telling her, in front of this wife, that HE WAS ALLOWED (yes defiantly screaming it), he could have 4 wifes and she is pretty. I was taken aback truly. This is totally illegal in Canada, period. Usually I have a bigger mouth, but I could not react promptly enough that time around. What this guy was telling all of us in the store is that he will do what he is allowed to in his own country, and never adapt to where he is living now. This kind of arrogance, you won't find it in Canadian, we just do not know how to react to it.

I just can imagine millions of them, most analphabets and most males, all of a sudden (2 millions inbflux out of 70 millions people, in Germany alone right now or Finland who only have 8 million people and must sustain 1 miliion new arrivals, mainly males whose dream is to force blonde women as they have seen in porn videos)

turiya
22nd September 2016, 20:32
Indeed, propaganda...


'AllTime10s' lies about Islam exposed (Part 1)
| David Wood |
(Published on Mar 11, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js8A4SlUZx4_______________________________ ___

'AllTime10s' lies about Islam exposed (Part 2)
| David Wood |
(Published on Mar 16, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bd_hROEJy4_______________________________ ___

AllTime10s lies about Islam exposed (Part 3)
| David Wood |
(Published on Mar 19, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU96Okgrass

Sueanne47
22nd September 2016, 20:40
The aim of the Trojan horse plan (forced on us by the ET's at the top of the pyramid) is for europe to lose its sovereignty-divide & rule-order out of chaos-police state-new world order.

halcyon026
22nd September 2016, 21:30
Also, I think the idea that all Islamic people are, at heart, jihadists, is likely wrong, too.



It's likely something that is taught, conditioned into them.

Fellow Aspirant
23rd September 2016, 01:47
I think you're referring to Muslims, rather than "Arabs". The refugees are overwhelmingly Muslim, but come from many countries, mostly in northern Africa: Morocco, Tunisia Somalia, Mali, Libya, Egypt, Sudan (South & North), Ethiopia, Niger, and Nigeria. Of these, most have been forced to leave for desperate economic reasons, usually caused by drought. The others come from the middle eastern countries of Afghanistan, Iran & Iraq.

The overwhelming homeland of the refugees, though, is Syria. The war raging there has made the country unliveable. 4.8 million Syrians have fled to Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, and 6.6 million are internally displaced within Syria. Meanwhile about one million have requested asylum to Europe.

As for Saudi Arabia, none of its citizens has sought asylum. Instead, the UNHCR said late last year that there are about 500,000 Syrians in Saudi Arabia out of a population of 28 million. But for others fleeing war in Syria, the doors are closed to the Gulf states, despite the latters' declared concern over the plight of refugees.

The one thing most of the refugees have in common, though, is their religion of Islam.

Brian

Atlas
23rd September 2016, 02:58
[...] The one thing most of the refugees have in common, though, is their religion of Islam.

Bill Maher Islam vs. Other Religions
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Here is one interesting question: Are Islam and Judaism the same religion?
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ozmirage
23rd September 2016, 03:18
I think the idea that all Islamic people are, at heart, jihadists, is likely wrong, too.
Western thought assumes that there is a logical reason for actions.
Islam boggles the mind - it embraces both peaceful Muslims and blood thirsty jihadis as "good."
The more you study Islamic thought, the more you comprehend the embedded insanity.
(Feel free to look up the "real meaning of Islam" from Islamic sources, if you are skeptical.)
. . .
But the most dangerous "mad dog crazy" aspect of Islam occurs when one has committed an offense that is unforgivable. If that person is martyred, they get their "ticket to paradise" punched. This may explain the inexplicable knife attacks upon armed people, as if hoping to be killed in the act of jihad. Ditto, for suicide bombers.

. . .
P.S. - Muslims are taught to lie to kafirs, as part of jihad.

turiya
23rd September 2016, 04:10
I think the idea that all Islamic people are, at heart, jihadists, is likely wrong, too.
Western thought assumes that there is a logical reason for actions.
Islam boggles the mind - it embraces both peaceful Muslims and blood thirsty jihadis as "good."
The more you study Islamic thought, the more you comprehend the embedded insanity.
(Feel free to look up the "real meaning of Islam" from Islamic sources, if you are skeptical.)
. . .
But the most dangerous "mad dog crazy" aspect of Islam occurs when one has committed an offense that is unforgivable. If that person is martyred, they get their "ticket to paradise" punched. This may explain the inexplicable knife attacks upon armed people, as if hoping to be killed in the act of jihad. Ditto, for suicide bombers.

. . .
P.S. - Muslims are taught to lie to kafirs, as part of jihad.

The core teaching of Mohammad & the so-called "religion" of Islam is Jihad - to implement Shariah Law throughout the world through three stages of Jihad...


Three Stages of Jihad
| David Wood |
(Published on Mar 28, 2012)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw
David Wood Website:
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/p/jihad.html

Tangri
23rd September 2016, 05:53
ive heard on a podcast some where on you tube from a guy who knows what he says, that this whole refugee "crisis" is just a media propagenda and that all what is being reported is just being blown up to look like there is a continent moving into europe. eventually the truth is that its a really small number and a picked one that make all the truble and the rest is by the media to lead the propagenda.

No, it is not only propaganda. France will be Muslim within 10 years as it goes. The culture between the west and the middle east are really clashing in terms of values, behaviors, etc. Difficult integratiion ahead. In fact, it is the muslim who are asking the occidental culture to adapt and change to become like them.

I was at the market the other day and a guy was paying his food, with his wife at his side, no scarf or nothing. However, he started to flirt the cashier telling her, in front of this wife, that HE WAS ALLOWED (yes defiantly screaming it), he could have 4 wifes and she is pretty. I was taken aback truly. This is totally illegal in Canada, period. Usually I have a bigger mouth, but I could not react promptly enough that time around. What this guy was telling all of us in the store is that he will do what he is allowed to in his own country, and never adapt to where he is living now. This kind of arrogance, you won't find it in Canadian, we just do not know how to react to it.

I just can imagine millions of them, most analphabets and most males, all of a sudden (2 millions inbflux out of 70 millions people, in Germany alone right now or Finland who only have 8 million people and must sustain 1 miliion new arrivals, mainly males whose dream is to force blonde women as they have seen in porn videos)

Thanks god then, Canadian Syrian refugees are not araps and Muslim . They are just Armenian and Russian Orthodox also well educated ones.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2394286/live-blog-toronto-set-to-welcome-feds-first-syrian-refugees-to-canada/

TEOTWAIKI
23rd September 2016, 07:29
Living and working in Saudi for the last couple of years has given me an interesting perspective on the Arab World. On my quarterly leaves, I have visited some of the countries that surround Saudi Arabia: Qatar, Egypt, UAE, Oman and Jordan.

As in the rest of the world, most people here are just trying to feed and house their families, educate their children and do the best they can with what they have. Being a tall, white American, I really stand out, but I find that being friendly, courteous and respectful brings reciprocating kindness in return; just like it does in Canada, German or America.

I have discovered in my travels not to believe anything that is shown on network news or Hollywood movies. They present an extremely biased, scripted reality that just doesn't exist out here in the "real world".

Atlas
23rd September 2016, 08:13
What's the difference between Whites and Arabs?? I don't see any so far..

Flogging Through the Centuries (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/411539)
http://c9.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/styles/original_image_with_cropping/public/uploaded/pic_giant_011415_SM_Flogging-G.jpg

British first hand account of Saudi lashing (https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/10/14/british-first-hand-account-of-saudi-lashing-at-about-20-i-lost-count-because-i-was-in-too-much-pain/)
https://i2.wp.com/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/13/12/02586D12000004B0-0-image-a-29_1444734654912.jpg

ozmirage
23rd September 2016, 09:34
What's the difference between Whites and Arabs?? I don't see any so far..
. . .
POLITICAL ISLAM
Tears of Jihad (1400 years and counting)
Kafir Deaths (cumulative)
• Christians : 60 million
• Buddhists : 10 million
• Hindus : 80 million
• Africans : 120 million
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Total : 270 million
Source : www.politicalislam.com
(Not to mention the millions captured, enslaved and abused.)

This video on Political Islam is very disturbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
https://youtu.be/-ilFbbk9jw4

= = =
Muslim Blooper Reel
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f8a_1431048756

Islam is at war with all peoples, religions, and governments, saith Mohammed.
= = =

"I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me." (saith Mohammed)
http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=83756
= = =
Eternal jihad until all are converted, dhimmi, or dead.
= = =

If you do not perceive a difference, we will have to agree to disagree.

ozmirage
23rd September 2016, 09:50
Re: Lack of suicide bombers in Iraq before 2003 may be attributed to a certain tyrant dictator warlord whose brutality kept dissent down.

http://modernnotion.com/historical-origins-suicide-bombings/

In 1981, a member of an Iraqi Shi‘a group drove an explosive’s laden car into the Iraqi embassy in Lebanon in revenge for harsh measures by Iraqi Sunnis against his co-religionists.

turiya
23rd September 2016, 12:58
Cross-Posted here.... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1100994&viewfull=1#post1100994)


Trump vs. Muhammad: Part 1
(A Reply to Craig Considine)
(Published on Sep 22, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jg6MGZVdOE_______________________________ ______


David Wood:

"Why are Muslims fighting Muslims?


Qur'an 9:73 Oh Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers & the hypocrites and be unyielding to them.
-- Not just fighting unbelievers but fight the hypocrites, as well -- people who claim to be Muslims but aren't actually doing everything Islam commands. Its fighting people because of their beliefs - they believe something different from you - you fight them...

And one wonders why ISIS is fighting the Yazidis, the Christians & everyone else… the Shias, even Sunnis who are not submitting to Islamic rule – well, you fight everybody…

Just where are they getting this from? Are they making this up? They are coming up with this out of their own heads?

It looks like they’re doing exactly what Islam demands."




Debate: Is ISIS Islamic?
(Published on Dec 24, 2014)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKH-sInknQM

Iloveyou
23rd September 2016, 13:56
THE ISLAM' doesn't exist, there is a variety of completely different customs and conceptions. The main part of Muslims, ordinary people, practice a peaceful Islam, some a mystical Islam (have you ever heard of Sufism? That too, is Islam.) Let's talk about the monolithic bloc of orthodox, fundamentalist Islam. They are not a scrap better or worse than any other fundamentalist religion or ideology. Scriptures have been falsified and misinterpreted on purpose. The leaders are in bed with the mendacious leaders of the Western world, they all are led by the puppet masters who have many names. We needed to look at one level higher in the hierarchy.

One would not call the entire Western population Nazis. And neither Islam nor Muslims do hold the monopoly on merciless cruelty.

-a few examples of recent history:

-In 1995, in Srebrenica, Bosnia 8000 Muslim bosniaks were murdered within 5 days by the (Christian) Serb army, police and paramilitary groups.

-In Rwanda, an African state with then 95 % Christians, one million people were killed bestially within 100 days.

-In Central Africa (Uganda) the Lord's Resistance Army fights to establish a Christian theocracy, based on the ten commandments(!), since 30 years (including tens of thousands child solders and sex slaves).

Regarding the refugees from Islamic countries: Nobody said: It's all only propaganda. People say: There IS a problem and there IS propaganda and (heavy) manipulation. They only disagree on to what extent, I think. I'm afraid that no matter how many threads are started on this subject, there will still be two parties in opposition to each other, repeating their arguments. There must be possibilities beyond the discussion in black and white terms (in which I'm involved, too).

There's barely something more helpful for personal growth than to step back from a position where one is strongly convinced of being right about something. To step back and to rethink. I'll try by all means.

Yours truly, Pawlow's dog :unsure:

Flash
23rd September 2016, 14:19
Tangei, you know very well, as I do, that private citizens from any country are not the problem nor the refugies from war torn countries, wars that the west has often at a minimum supported. The problem is not the family trying to survive.

The problem has to do with fundamentalist Islam taught in the only schools available to boys of many Muslim countries that are from Wahabi or Gulen sponsorship promoting violence and absolute jihad untill all the infidels are dead or converted. Then those boys are sent West with brainwashed values having no respect at all for all infideles. The infidels being below dog status in their eyes, the worst you can do to pig eaters is kill them or still worst in their views, rape their women. And being entitled to anything those western countries have, for free, the paynent to war victors.

I have heard these kind of comments, i have seen the total disrespect towards westerners, i have been screamed at in Montreal being told **** ing christian whore, i have been harassed because i was blond. (In montreal, never in Turkey when i lived there). Those actions were almost always coming from not very educated muslim men.

I also had to deal with business men from Jordan. They never looked at me or responded when i spoke. I was litterally a puff of air. Being the expert in the conversation, i had to tell a male collegue what i knew, in English, whom in turn would repeat in English to the Jordanian who would answer in English to my male collegue who would then turn to me with a wide smile almost winking at me and repeat the answer to me in English. And here, those were all PhDs.

I absolutely do not want this in my country, no more than the sharia law that was almost made law in Ontario ten years ago. The only thing that stop the parliament from passing this was international protest

This is what i am against. No way my daughter will be submitted to sharia law and viva Ataturk who created a secular constitution in Turkey and implemented laws protecting it.

This is what we are confronting right now with the surge of radical Islam




ive heard on a podcast some where on you tube from a guy who knows what he says, that this whole refugee "crisis" is just a media propagenda and that all what is being reported is just being blown up to look like there is a continent moving into europe. eventually the truth is that its a really small number and a picked one that make all the truble and the rest is by the media to lead the propagenda.

No, it is not only propaganda. France will be Muslim within 10 years as it goes. The culture between the west and the middle east are really clashing in terms of values, behaviors, etc. Difficult integratiion ahead. In fact, it is the muslim who are asking the occidental culture to adapt and change to become like them.

I was at the market the other day and a guy was paying his food, with his wife at his side, no scarf or nothing. However, he started to flirt the cashier telling her, in front of this wife, that HE WAS ALLOWED (yes defiantly screaming it), he could have 4 wifes and she is pretty. I was taken aback truly. This is totally illegal in Canada, period. Usually I have a bigger mouth, but I could not react promptly enough that time around. What this guy was telling all of us in the store is that he will do what he is allowed to in his own country, and never adapt to where he is living now. This kind of arrogance, you won't find it in Canadian, we just do not know how to react to it.

I just can imagine millions of them, most analphabets and most males, all of a sudden (2 millions inbflux out of 70 millions people, in Germany alone right now or Finland who only have 8 million people and must sustain 1 miliion new arrivals, mainly males whose dream is to force blonde women as they have seen in porn videos)

Thanks god then, Canadian Syrian refugees are not araps and Muslim . They are just Armenian and Russian Orthodox also well educated ones.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2394286/live-blog-toronto-set-to-welcome-feds-first-syrian-refugees-to-canada/

turiya
23rd September 2016, 14:34
According to the enlightened mystic Osho:

"Mohammed was an absolutely illiterate man, and the Koran, in which his sayings are collected, is ninety-nine percent rubbish. You can just open the book anywhere and read it, and you will be convinced of what I am saying. I am not saying on a certain page — anywhere. You just open the book accidentally, read the page and you will be convinced of what I am saying.

Whatsoever one percent truth there is here and there in the Koran is not Mohammed's. It is just ordinary, ancient wisdom that uneducated people collect easily — more easily than the educated people, because educated people have far better sources of information — books, libraries, universities, scholars. The uneducated, simply by hearing the old people, collect a few words of wisdom here and there. And those words are significant, because for thousands of years they have been tested and found somehow true. So it is the wisdom of the ages that is scattered here and there; otherwise, it is the most ordinary book possible in the world.

Muslims have been asking me, "Why don't you speak on the Koran? You have spoken on The Bible, on the Gita, this and that." I could not say to them that it is all rubbish; I simply went on postponing. Even just before I went into silence, a Muslim scholar sent the latest English version of the Koran, praying me to speak on it. But now I have to say that it is all rubbish, that is why I have not spoken on it — because why unnecessarily waste time?"

- From Unconciousness to Consciousness, Chapter 5 by Osho

Islam is a Dead Corpse



"There are religions and religions, but Sufism is THE religion - the very heart, the innermost core, the very soul.

Sufism is not part of Islam; rather, on the contrary, Islam is part of Sufism. Sufism existed before Mohammed ever was born, and Sufism will exist when Mohammed is completely forgotten. Islams come and go; religions take form and dissolve; Sufism abides, continues, because it is not a dogma. It is the very heart of being religious.

You may not ever have heard of Sufism and you may be a Sufi - if you are religious. Krishna is a Sufi, and Christ too; Mahavir is a Sufi, and Buddha too - and they never heard about the word, and they never knew that anything like Sufism exists.

Whenever a religion is alive, it is because Sufism is alive within it. Whenever a religion is dead, it shows only that the spirit, the Sufi spirit, has left it. Now there is only a corpse, howsoever decorated - in philosophy, metaphysics, in dogmas, doctrines - but whenever Sufism has left, religion stinks of death. This has happened many times. This is happening already almost all over the world. One has to be aware of it, otherwise one can go on clinging to a dead corpse.

Osho - Until You Die #1

Iloveyou
23rd September 2016, 15:48
"There is disagreement among religious scholars and Sufis themselves about the origins of Sufism. The traditional view is that Sufism is the mystical school of Islam and had its beginnings in the first centuries following the life of the Prophet Mohammad. Indeed, most Sufis in the world today are Muslim and many of them would consider a non-Islamic Sufism impossible.
There is another view, however, that traces the pre-Islamic roots of Sufism back through the early Christian mystics of Syria and Egypt, to the Essenes, the ancient Pythagorean orders, and the mystery schools of the Egyptians and Zoroastrians, among others. It is these roots that gathered into the trunk known as Islamic Sufism."

http://sufiway.org/about-us/the-origins-of-sufism

Well, yes. How is it then possible that for many hundred years Sufism was able to blossom and to blend in with the religion of stonings, beheadings and rapes, with a violent, intolerant religion which is considered the great evil and with no other intention than to conquer and subdue the non-Islamic world?

turiya
23rd September 2016, 17:43
Those that practice 'traditional' Islam are fundamentalists. Fundamentalism follows the literal meaning of what is written in the Qu'ran & Hadith (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith). ISIS follows the fundamentalism - literal text of the Qu'ran Islam.

Islamic Fundamentalism is characterized by a markedly strict literalism as applied to certain specific scriptures, dogmas, or ideologies, and a strong sense of the importance of maintaining ingroup and outgroup distinctions,[2][3][4][5] leading to an emphasis on purity and the desire to return to a previous ideal from which advocates believe members have strayed. Rejection of diversity of opinion as applied to these established "fundamentals" and their accepted interpretation within the group is often the result of this tendency.[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism


Well, yes. How is it then possible that for many hundred years Sufism was able to blossom and to blend in with the religion of stonings, beheadings and rapes, with a violent, intolerant religion which is considered the great evil and with no other intention than to conquer and subdue the non-Islamic world?

The bottom line is that in no way did Sufism 'blend in', as you say, with a barbaric death-cult that prescribed ritualistic stoning, beheadings & rapes within the Holy Qua'ran. Take for instance the brutal killing of Sufi mystic Mansur Al-Hallaj (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansur_Al-Hallaj).... Just as in the case with Jesus the so-called Jewish religion - the priest class - these are the real diabolical cunning despicable culprits, just as the immams & clerics are with Islam - diabolical political ideologists - nothing to do with the core essence of true religion. Just as Jesus didn't 'blend-in' with the Jewish rabbis, Mansur Al-Hallaj didn't 'blend-in' with the priest class of Islam.

When Mansur attained godhood he declared, “Ana’l Haq! am God!” His Master, Junaid, said, “Keep quiet. I know & you know - that is enough. No need to tell it to anybody — otherwise you will be in danger and you will create danger for me and for other disciples also. Yes, I accept,” said Junaid, “I can see you have attained enlightenment. But let it be a secret between me and you.”

But Mansur could not keep it a secret; it is very difficult to keep it a secret. Nobody has ever been able to keep it a secret. There would be moments when he was in deep ecstasy and he would start shouting again “I am God!” Soon the news spread. The Islamic priests went to the king and they said, “This is sacrilegious. This man has to be destroyed, this man has to be killed!”

It has happened in the case of Mansur Al-Hallaj. His crucifixion was more cruel than Jesus’ because Mohammedans are more violent, more fanatic than any Jew. They cut him piece by piece, it was not a single stroke. First they cut his legs, then they cut his hands, then they made him blind, then they made him deaf. They killed him piece by piece and still, to the very last, he was smiling.

And somebody asked, “Before they cut your tongue, we want to know — why are you smiling?”

He said, “I am smiling because they are punishing somebody else. The body that they are punishing is not me.”

This is the miracle. It does not depend on God, Allah or on anybody else. It depended on his own experience. Mansur Al-Hallaj proves himself to be far closer to truth, just by his simple action. He is not grumbling, he is not saying to God that “This is not right that they are behaving in this primitive way with me and you are simply silent.” He is not talking about God, or to God, at all.

He is simply enjoying the whole thing and laughing at the stupidity of people. “You are punishing somebody else. And I have always been telling you that you cannot punish me, you cannot even touch me. Punishment is not the question at all.”

When Mansur Al-Hallaj, who was killed finally by the Mohammedans… just like Jesus, but in a far worse way. They cut him piece by piece. But this happened later on, when he became enlightened and declared: “Ana’l haq — I am the truth.” And Mohammedans cannot forgive anybody saying this. Only god is truth. Calling yourself truth, you are indirectly calling yourself God. But he was not calling himself God. He was simply saying, “I am the truth.” And he was not claiming any monopoly on it.

He was saying, “You are also the truth, it is just that you don’t know it. I know it.” But this came later on. When he first went to his master, Junnaid… it was a very sad affair. His family, his wife, his children, his old parents, his friends, his neighbors — all loved the young man. He was so beautiful, so joyous, just his presence was a light.

But the priests, immams of Islam would not accept him - would not allow him to 'blend-in' with their barbaric ritualistic Islamic cult.



http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/SUFIS_QUOTE_RUMI_MORE_THAN_MOHAMMAD.png
SOURCE (https://twitter.com/Acts17/status/762394369466990592)

Akasha
23rd September 2016, 17:52
Quick reality check regarding Sunni Islam, from the horse's mouth :

bV710c1dgpU

lake
23rd September 2016, 17:55
Probably nothing to do with this thread....in which case i am sorry but Paris looks ....nice....maybe I will go some where else for a holiday?

ju79YT_lBVI

AutumnW
23rd September 2016, 17:57
Living and working in Saudi for the last couple of years has given me an interesting perspective on the Arab World. On my quarterly leaves, I have visited some of the countries that surround Saudi Arabia: Qatar, Egypt, UAE, Oman and Jordan.

As in the rest of the world, most people here are just trying to feed and house their families, educate their children and do the best they can with what they have. Being a tall, white American, I really stand out, but I find that being friendly, courteous and respectful brings reciprocating kindness in return; just like it does in Canada, German or America.

I have discovered in my travels not to believe anything that is shown on network news or Hollywood movies. They present an extremely biased, scripted reality that just doesn't exist out here in the "real world".

This is the sense I have. I think, too, that populations who are constantly interfered with produce more radical elements. People who are disenfranchised, too, more radical elements. People who are on the fringes, both geographically and intellectually are more given to the weirdest creepy elements of their religion.

There is very little anybody can say about the Koran that can't also be said about the Old Testament. And, I feel that most people, Christian or otherwise DO rise above the stupidest and cruellest aspects of their religions.

Still, not a fan of multigenerational cousin marriage, oppression of women. That has to go. And where 'boy-play' is popular? That too, has to go.

AutumnW
23rd September 2016, 18:04
Lake, it looks like payback for colonialism, to me.

TargeT
23rd September 2016, 18:06
Quick reality check regarding Sunni Islam, from the horse's mouth :

bV710c1dgpU

Not many people understand this.. most of us think everyone else basically thinks the same way we do, or very close to it.



Living and working in Saudi for the last couple of years has given me an interesting perspective on the Arab World. On my quarterly leaves, I have visited some of the countries that surround Saudi Arabia: Qatar, Egypt, UAE, Oman and Jordan.

As in the rest of the world, most people here are just trying to feed and house their families, educate their children and do the best they can with what they have. Being a tall, white American, I really stand out, but I find that being friendly, courteous and respectful brings reciprocating kindness in return; just like it does in Canada, German or America.

I have discovered in my travels not to believe anything that is shown on network news or Hollywood movies. They present an extremely biased, scripted reality that just doesn't exist out here in the "real world".

This is the sense I have. I think, too, that populations who are constantly interfered with produce more radical elements. People who are disenfranchised, too, more radical elements. People who are on the fringes, both geographically and intellectually are more given to the weirdest creepy elements of their religion.

There is very little anybody can say about the Koran that can't also be said about the Old Testament. And, I feel that most people, Christian or otherwise DO rise above the stupidest and cruellest aspects of their religions.

Still, not a fan of multigenerational cousin marriage, oppression of women. That has to go. And where 'boy-play' is popular? That too, has to go.

I'd say 95% of people everywhere are genuinely "good" (though still can do minor annoying "bad" things when they selfjustify), but they can easily be led by a smaller group to at least "look the other way" when it comes to the extreme expression of shared beliefs & it's that smaller group I'm worried about... not the larger (and not from any one group in particular,though some do prove to have a more violent "fringe" than others).

Tangri
23rd September 2016, 21:47
According to the enlightened mystic Osho:

"Mohammed was an absolutely illiterate man, and the Koran, in which his sayings are collected, is ninety-nine percent rubbish. You can just open the book anywhere and read it, and you will be convinced of what I am saying. I am not saying on a certain page — anywhere. You just open the book accidentally, read the page and you will be convinced of what I am saying.

Whatsoever one percent truth there is here and there in the Koran is not Mohammed's. It is just ordinary, ancient wisdom that uneducated people collect easily — more easily than the educated people, because educated people have far better sources of information — books, libraries, universities, scholars. The uneducated, simply by hearing the old people, collect a few words of wisdom here and there. And those words are significant, because for thousands of years they have been tested and found somehow true. So it is the wisdom of the ages that is scattered here and there; otherwise, it is the most ordinary book possible in the world.

Muslims have been asking me, "Why don't you speak on the Koran? You have spoken on The Bible, on the Gita, this and that." I could not say to them that it is all rubbish; I simply went on postponing. Even just before I went into silence, a Muslim scholar sent the latest English version of the Koran, praying me to speak on it. But now I have to say that it is all rubbish, that is why I have not spoken on it — because why unnecessarily waste time?"

- From Unconciousness to Consciousness, Chapter 5 by Osho

I thought you may be right and open a page and found this. It has never have been published an any earlier book and probably it is not some one's "hear said"
dictates that Earlier Earth creatures tried to establish a Moon station to observe /surveillance vast space, but found themselves in meteor shower and other guardians.

72: 1. In the name of ALLAH, the Gracious, the Merciful.
72: 2. Say `It has been revealed to me that a company of the jinn listened to the Qur’an and they said: `Truly, we have heard a wonderful Qur’an,
72: 3. `It guides to the right way; so we have believed in it, and we will not associate anyone with our Lord.
72: 4. `The truth is that – exalted be the Majesty of our Lord – HE has taken unto Himself neither wife nor son,
72: 5. `And that the foolish amongst us used to utter extravagant lies concerning ALLAH,
72: 6. `And we thought that men and jinn would never utter a lie concerning ALLAH,
72: 7. `And, indeed, some men from among the common folk used to seek the protection of some men from among the jinn, and thus they increased the jinn in arrogance,
72: 8. `And, indeed, they thought, even as you think that ALLAH would never raise any Messenger,
72: 9. `And we sought to reach heaven, but we found it filled with strong guards and shooting stars,
72: 10. `And we used to sit in some of its seats to listen. But whoso listens now finds a shooting star in ambush for him,
72: 11. `And we know not whether evil is intended for those who are in the earth, or whether their Lord intends to bestow guidance upon them,
72: 12. `And some of us are righteous and some of us are otherwise – we are sects following different paths,
72: 13. `And we know that we cannot frustrate the plan of ALLAH in the earth, nor can we escape HIM by flight,
72: 14. `So when we heard the call to guidance, we believed in it’. And he, who believes in his Lord, has no fear of loss or of injustice,
72: 15. `And some of us submit to God and some of us have deviated from the right course.’ And those who submit to God – it is they who seek the right course,
72: 16. And those who deviate from the right course, they are the fuel of Hell.
72: 17. And if the Meccan disbelievers keep to the right path, WE shall, certainly, provide them with abundant water to drink,
72: 18. That WE may try them thereby. And whoso turns away from the remembrance of his Lord – HE will drive him into an over-whelmingly severe punishment.
72: 19. And all places of worship belong to ALLAH; so call not on anyone beside ALLAH.
72: 20. And when the servant of ALLAH stands up praying to HIM, they crowd upon him, well-nigh stifling him to death.
72: 21. Say, `I pray to my Lord only, and I associate no one with HIM.
72: 22. Say, I have no power to do you either harm or good.’
72: 23. Say, `Surely, none can protect me against the punishment of ALLAH, nor can I find any place of refuge beside HIM.’
72: 24. `My responsibility is only to convey what is revealed to me from ALLAH and HIS Messages.’ And those who disobey ALLAH and HIS Messenger, surely, for them is the Fire of Hell, wherein they will abide for a long period.
72: 25. They will continue to disbelieve until they see that which they are promised, but soon they will know who is weaker in helpers and fewer in numbers.
72: 26. Say, `I know not whether that which you are promised is nigh, or whether my Lord has fixed for it a distant term.’
72: 27. HE is the Knower of the unseen; and HE reveals not HIS secrets to anyone,
72: 28. Except to a Messenger of HIS whom HE chooses. And then HE causes an escort of guarding angels to go before him and behind him,
72: 29. That HE may know that HIS Messengers have delivered the Messages of their Lord. And HE encompasses all that is with them and HE keeps count of all things.



http://www.islamivideom.com/cin-suresi-ingilizce-meali.html

Tangri
23rd September 2016, 22:13
Tangei, you know very well, as I do, that private citizens from any country are not the problem nor the refugies from war torn countries, wars that the west has often at a minimum supported. The problem is not the family trying to survive.

The problem has to do with fundamentalist Islam taught in the only schools available to boys of many Muslim countries that are from Wahabi or Gulen sponsorship promoting violence and absolute jihad untill all the infidels are dead or converted. Then those boys are sent West with brainwashed values having no respect at all for all infideles. The infidels being below dog status in their eyes, the worst you can do to pig eaters is kill them or still worst in their views, rape their women. And being entitled to anything those western countries have, for free, the paynent to war victors.

I have heard these kind of comments, i have seen the total disrespect towards westerners, i have been screamed at in Montreal being told **** ing christian whore, i have been harassed because i was blond. (In montreal, never in Turkey when i lived there). Those actions were almost always coming from not very educated muslim men.

I also had to deal with business men from Jordan. They never looked at me or responded when i spoke. I was litterally a puff of air. Being the expert in the conversation, i had to tell a male collegue what i knew, in English, whom in turn would repeat in English to the Jordanian who would answer in English to my male collegue who would then turn to me with a wide smile almost winking at me and repeat the answer to me in English. And here, those were all PhDs.

I absolutely do not want this in my country, no more than the sharia law that was almost made law in Ontario ten years ago. The only thing that stop the parliament from passing this was international protest

This is what i am against. No way my daughter will be submitted to sharia law and viva Ataturk who created a secular constitution in Turkey and implemented laws protecting it.

This is what we are confronting right now with the surge of radical Islam


Flash, I believe you know me .

What I saw; problem occurs with, Establishing a generalization from an individual case, staged events, manipulated individual's acts/beliefs . It will cause creating a new common sense.

I strongly believe that Avalon forum is not immune to fundamentalist/conservative individuals who seek opportunity to attack any former tail pains' co-existences.

I am a sample of a coexistence in this case. Mass media (we know who owns them) insistently pursue to create "an enemy" and blind haters ready to continue this propaganda even in this forum.

Even not a single member here pointed out that " why did those ISIS's captured prisoners worn orange prison suit before their staged execution being filmed.

There is no orange color prisoners culture in any country other than USA.

My concern was, you would be re fueling those individuals with naming/labeling wrong- unfair racialization to create a generalization.

Short of the above : A Generalization is an unfair profiling method.

Cardillac
23rd September 2016, 22:21
we all need to to come to our senses that anything can be read into/interpreted racism and hate-speech statements-

what we are dealing with are refugies who primarily adhere to a religion of violence and eradication in the most brutal, sadistic forms of anyone who doesn't conform to their dogma (like start with beheading)-

of course there are peaceful Moslems who don't agree with this but they don't posess the armaments of those who have been indoctrinated to destroy anyone and anything that stands in their way of Islam and the people with weapons have the upper hand-

even most Moslems don't understand this-

and when will most people realise: the most racist people are the ones who condemn others for being the most racist against them-

we must finaly come to our senses that thanks to Soros (among others) western/Christian society is being destroyed to accomodate a blood-thirsty pack of sleeping barbarians (they defecate on our streets- look at Paris)-

hey, folks, it is all planed:

it called the "New World Order" (global communism on steroids)-

I could state much more but will rest my case for now-

Larry

ozmirage
23rd September 2016, 22:50
As previously mentioned, Islam embraces peaceful Muslims -and- bloodthirsty Jihadis. There is no absolute good nor evil. Anything goes if it advances Islam, including deception.

FOUNDERS QUOTES
in support of the claim that
ISLAM has been at war with America from the beginning.


“We took the liberty to make some enquiries concerning the ground of their pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The Ambassador [of Tripoli] answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
- - - Thomas Jefferson, Letter from the commissioners (John Adams, Thomas Jefferson) to John Jay, 28 March 1786, in Thomas Jefferson Travels: Selected Writings, 1784-1789, by Anthony Brandt, pp. 104-105.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson

(Digest version : We consider all mankind as our friends. Their response : It is their right and duty to make war upon all infidels, and make slaves of all they could take as prisoners.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War


“The precept of the koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force.”
- - - John Quincy Adams, 6th American President
https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=7&article=1142

(Digest version : Koran imposes perpetual war against infidels. Convert, dhimmi, or die... no other option.)

This has not changed in 1400 years.

Tangri
23rd September 2016, 22:57
Even not a single member here pointed out that " why did those ISIS's captured prisoners worn orange prison suit before their staged execution being filmed.

There is no orange color prisoners culture in any country other than USA.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93517-Overly-critical-of-Arabs&p=1101113&viewfull=1#post1101113

ozmirage
23rd September 2016, 23:01
it called the "New World Order" (global communism on steroids)
I have an alternative interpretation of events.
Global communism / collectivism / socialism is not imminent. It's a done deal. Even the USA went socialist in 1933. (Technically speaking, the most "communist" institution in America is CONGRESS.)
All major first world powers are socialist in varying degrees - via "Social Security" pensions, entitlements, health care, etc., etc. And all are suffering from a drop in birthrate in contrast with non-socialist countries (wealth is not a factor).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe

The ageing of Europe, also known as the greying of Europe, is a demographic phenomenon in Europe characterized by a decrease in fertility, a decrease in mortality rate, and a higher life expectancy among European populations.

Socialism inevitably fails when it runs out of "other people's money" and "other people's children" (to tax).
. . .
GLOBAL BLOODBATH?
[Machiavellian Flag on] What if the purpose of this Muslim influx was to deliberately trigger a bloodbath?
There are those who advocate reducing the planet's population to 500 million (See: Georgia Guidestones).
What better way than to import people from a culture that has no respect for non-Muslims, and set them loose among passive peaceful civilized people.
. . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
#1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
(Depopulate 93% of the world! Only 1 in 15 will survive.)

If that is a correct assumption, "They" plan to agitate and instigate a worldwide Armageddon to cull the human race.

DeDukshyn
23rd September 2016, 23:59
Remember the fear that our Syrian refugees would just be a bunch of welfare collecting, jihadists? Maybe that was just in Alberta - it was a loud proclamation here at the time; which we can now see where just the loudly spoken version of fearful rambling thoughts of those with high levels of intolerance.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/syrian-refugees-in-edmonton-step-up-to-help-fort-mcmurray-fire-evacuees-1.3581122

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/syrian-refugee-fort-mcmurray-fire-money-donations-halifax-1.3592043

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/syrian-refugees-in-calgary-help-fort-mcmurray-evacuees-1.2890294

So far there hasn't been one Syrian terrorist that came with the refugees. Yet look how easily the fear can manipulate.

My point is that what really matters is how people act, not what some words say.

turiya
24th September 2016, 03:40
Remember the fear that our Syrian refugees would just be a bunch of welfare collecting, jihadists? Maybe that was just in Alberta - it was a loud proclamation here at the time; which we can now see where just the loudly spoken version of fearful rambling thoughts of those with high levels of intolerance.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/syrian-refugees-in-edmonton-step-up-to-help-fort-mcmurray-fire-evacuees-1.3581122
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/syrian-refugee-fort-mcmurray-fire-money-donations-halifax-1.3592043
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/syrian-refugees-in-calgary-help-fort-mcmurray-evacuees-1.2890294

So far there hasn't been one Syrian terrorist that came with the refugees. Yet look how easily the fear can manipulate.
My point is that what really matters is how people act, not what some words say.

Well perhaps, just call me a case of continuing fear mongering... But I just happened to notice that your Canadian PM just cracked a partnership deal with the U.N. & George Soros that plans to bring into Canada lots & lots more refugees. Have a look at what good 'ol George Soros has done to Germany, Sweden, England, Italy and France.

Good luck with the plan that Dr. Evil has for you & Canada...
I suppose we'll have to start thinking about building a wall across the Canadian border, now.

THE HUFFINGTON POST Canada/CP | By Althia Raj and The Canadian Press
Posted: 09/20/2016
Canada's Private Refugee Sponsorship Program
To Expand Around The World (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/09/20/canada-private-sponsorship-refugees-syria-un-george-soros_n_12102066.html)

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/SOROS_CANADA_U_N_and_REFUGEES.png

Canada's Immigration Minister John McCallum (right), United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi, and George Soros, founder and chairman of Open Society Foundations, meet in New York on Tuesday.


NEW YORK — Canada will export its program of private refugee sponsorship around the world with the help of the United Nations and billionaire George Soros, announced the Liberal government.

At least 13 countries have made inquiries about Canada's unique system in the hope of potentially emulating it, Immigration Minister John McCallum told reporters Tuesday.

The United Kingdom is in the process of implementing a version of Canada’s program where private citizens provide funding to bring in refugees and help them get set up in their new home. Australia, Spain and Japan have also expressed interest.

“Every country’s circumstances are different but we believe this is a good model which is exportable to other countries,” McCallum said.

“You are miles ahead if you can bring refugees in supported by our own citizens. Then they have a base from which to go. They have a welcome, rather than having refugees come in uninvited or illegally or alone,” he said.

SOUROS (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/09/20/canada-private-sponsorship-refugees-syria-un-george-soros_n_12102066.html)

ozmirage
24th September 2016, 06:58
Life is about to become very tough for pig farmers...

DeDukshyn
24th September 2016, 16:45
Remember the fear that our Syrian refugees would just be a bunch of welfare collecting, jihadists? Maybe that was just in Alberta - it was a loud proclamation here at the time; which we can now see where just the loudly spoken version of fearful rambling thoughts of those with high levels of intolerance.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/syrian-refugees-in-edmonton-step-up-to-help-fort-mcmurray-fire-evacuees-1.3581122
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/syrian-refugee-fort-mcmurray-fire-money-donations-halifax-1.3592043
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/syrian-refugees-in-calgary-help-fort-mcmurray-evacuees-1.2890294

So far there hasn't been one Syrian terrorist that came with the refugees. Yet look how easily the fear can manipulate.
My point is that what really matters is how people act, not what some words say.

Well perhaps, just call me a case of continuing fear mongering...

I don't have to, you did it yourself :).

Maybe the method in itself that Canada uses is far superior for maintaining respect and peace. If the refugees know that someone personally paid to get them here and set up as opposed to a "government" - then perhaps that makes all the difference in the world. As I said - everything you say and all the warnings have been said before, "we were warned" they told us about the Syrian refugees before they arrived. Now, reality! No rapes, no ISIS, no bombs, no welfare cases, just decent people trying to make a new life in Canada when the USA, while telling us they are ;making the world a better place' destroyed their lives that required them to be refugees. Maybe the culture differences in Canada compared to other countries is what makes the difference? I don't know all I can say that is real for certain 100% is not what my screen says but what I seen in my own city and province (and I live in a redneck ultra con province) with my own eyes, and so far I have seen only refugees that are thankful, appreciative, and already giving back as my previous links indicated - all 100% the opposite of what we were warned against ... again, maybe Canada is such a place that just earns that respect.

turiya
24th September 2016, 20:48
Well perhaps, just call me a case of continuing fear mongering...

That was why I said it in that way... its because it was clear that you would point it at me as being as such. Vigilance has nothing to do with fear mongering.

Vigilance: the state of being watchful.

I would then suspect that you are a firm supporter of the globalist Trudeau - tolerance, inclusion & the welcoming of refugees.

Your liberal government, and especially the voters of Canada, would be better off paying a bit more attention - being watchfully vigilant - as to what has happened in Europe. Unfortunately, your liberal politicians are as much NWO brainwashed, if not more so, than the Soros-funded Hillary Clinton / Obama camps.


“What an embarrassment”:
Justin Trudeau’s 60 Minutes interview
(Published on Mar 7, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gwib6l66Lg_______________________________ _

Trudeau and Soros team up to swamp Canada with Muslim migrants (http://www.therebel.media/ezra_levant_september_20)
September 20, 2016
Between our economy and concerns about national security, this is the worst possible time to open up the spigots to foreign immigration, and bring in more uneducated, unskilled Muslims from terrorist hot-bed, Syria.
Who on earth could support this? Well, George Soros, of course.He’s the 86-year-old billionaire speculator who likes to spend his money on politics. Like the $24 million he spent in 2004, trying to defeat George W. Bush. Or the money he shovels into Black Lives Matter.

I’ll show you a hacked memo written by Soros’s Open Society Foundations, where his minions talk about supporting the Muslim mass migration to the west, which they call “the new normal.”

That’s the guy who Canada’s Immigration Minister and Prime Minister just teamed up with.

Get ready for Soros-style chaos. Not just through Black Lives Matter, which he’s shipped up here.

But in hundreds of thousands of Muslim men he intends to bring here too, with the support of the Liberals.

Get ready to hear "Allah Akbar" shouted a lot more in Canada...

Here at The Rebel, we've been talking a lot about CPC leadership candidate Kellie Leitch's position on screening immigrants for


U.S. Senate demands answers about
Trudeau's reckless refugee plan
(Published on Jan 27, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNNXbAxkmIg_______________________________ ___


PROOF TheRebel.media was right:
Liberals lied about fake "Syrian refugees"
(Published on Feb 19, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy5QZwI4qSI_______________________________ ___

Canada to turn 7 military bases into refugee camps,
taxpayers to fund mosques (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/canada-to-turn-7-military-bases-into-refugee-camps-taxpayers-to-fund-mosques)

http://www.thenewscommenter.com/images/uploads/upload145497672366639_thumb.png
“BREAKING: Liberals to build refugee camps on seven Canadian military bases —
Taxpayers will fund mosques, Korans,” by Ezra Levant, The Rebel, February 8, 2016
February 8, 2016
By Robert Spencer
This will have the effect of creating seven 100% Muslim cities all over Canada. In those cities, will the Muslims, in their gratitude, forget all about Islam’s doctrines of warfare against and subjugation of unbelievers? Of course they won’t, but Canadian officials, like officials all over the West, do not recognize that those doctrines even exist, and so are not making any provisions for what might happen if Muslims in these new cities do start to misunderstand Islam on a large scale.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRMNyE0CZWc

Included in the Department of National Defence budgets are hundreds of thousands of dollars set aside for “religious support,” including the purchase of Muslim Korans, prayer mats and foot-washing towels.

The plans also call for the construction of mosques or “worship centres,” using taxpayers dollars.

The planning documents, in English and French, were released in response to a Rebel “Access to Information” request about religious expenditures by the Department of National Defence.

But the detailed Quebec budget plans also shed light on the sheer scale of the Trudeau government’s plans to set up refugee camp-style accommodations on seven Canadian Forces Bases across Quebec and Ontario.

The budget for Quebec alone totals more than $46 million for the first six months.

For a typical migrant family, that’s a $200,000/year subsidy — not including medicare or welfare.

It’s shocking that Canadian Armed Forces personnel will be ordered to abandon the coalition battle against ISIS and return to Canada to become waiters, chauffeurs and social workers for Muslim migrants, and that Canadian Forces Bases will be turned into squalid refugee camps.

It’s a disgrace that Canadian military personnel have been sent eviction notices to make way for foreign migrants.

But for the DND’s budget to be diverted away from military purposes and towards buying Korans and building mosques for foreign migrants, is especially outrageous.

SOUROS (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/canada-to-turn-7-military-bases-into-refugee-camps-taxpayers-to-fund-mosques)

Atlas
25th September 2016, 08:57
[...] they have spread all over europe.
Funny how the West fears an 'Arab invasion' while the Arab in this video asks:

"Do we have the abilities to halt this invasion?" (@2:26)
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The Arab Delusions
ln3yKmW69Cc

AutumnW
25th September 2016, 18:48
Remember the fear that our Syrian refugees would just be a bunch of welfare collecting, jihadists? Maybe that was just in Alberta - it was a loud proclamation here at the time; which we can now see where just the loudly spoken version of fearful rambling thoughts of those with high levels of intolerance.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/syrian-refugees-in-edmonton-step-up-to-help-fort-mcmurray-fire-evacuees-1.3581122
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/syrian-refugee-fort-mcmurray-fire-money-donations-halifax-1.3592043
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/syrian-refugees-in-calgary-help-fort-mcmurray-evacuees-1.2890294

So far there hasn't been one Syrian terrorist that came with the refugees. Yet look how easily the fear can manipulate.
My point is that what really matters is how people act, not what some words say.

Well perhaps, just call me a case of continuing fear mongering...

I don't have to, you did it yourself :).

Maybe the method in itself that Canada uses is far superior for maintaining respect and peace. If the refugees know that someone personally paid to get them here and set up as opposed to a "government" - then perhaps that makes all the difference in the world. As I said - everything you say and all the warnings have been said before, "we were warned" they told us about the Syrian refugees before they arrived. Now, reality! No rapes, no ISIS, no bombs, no welfare cases, just decent people trying to make a new life in Canada when the USA, while telling us they are ;making the world a better place' destroyed their lives that required them to be refugees. Maybe the culture differences in Canada compared to other countries is what makes the difference? I don't know all I can say that is real for certain 100% is not what my screen says but what I seen in my own city and province (and I live in a redneck ultra con province) with my own eyes, and so far I have seen only refugees that are thankful, appreciative, and already giving back as my previous links indicated - all 100% the opposite of what we were warned against ... again, maybe Canada is such a place that just earns that respect.

Dedukshyn,

Canadians have more control over the immigration process. Immigrants are selected for govt or private sponsorship. They don't arrive, without being vetted, by the hundreds of thousands, as they do in Europe, a continent that is already pretty crowded.

Although it is unfair to demonize all Islamic refugees, I think it is also unfair to ignore the very real concerns of those who have had negative experiences with some recent refugees. My personal feeling is there are some refugees who have more international leanings and cosmopolitan outlook. There are other refugees who are incredibly backwards and have a belief system grounded in brutality. I don't want this type in my country...thank you very much!

turiya
25th September 2016, 20:41
AutumnW

Yes, I noticed that Canada has a concern for properly conducting a massive immigration program. Glad to see it.

As I hinted in previous post #36 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93517-Overly-critical-of-Arabs&p=1101171&viewfull=1#post1101171)...

My only suggestion to your political leadership is that they should carefully monitor George Soros, research & recognize that he, much of the time, operates in a very stealth-like manner.

He's been ousted from Russian in the past. And...

"Until recently, out of all the EU countries, only his native Hungary had the courage to suggest his carefully crafted image of ‘global philanthropist’ may be a smoke screen. The country’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban pointed out that Soros is acting to destabilise Europe by supporting illegal migrants from the Middle East. Now his hold over Eastern Europe seems to be waning even further with Polish politicians also picking up on his suspicious activity."

The above quote comes from a most recent Breitbart article (September 21 2016)...

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Polish MP Demands ‘Pest’ Soros Is
Stripped Of Country’s Highest Honour (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09/21/polish-mp-demands-pest-soros-is-stripped-of-countrys-highest-honour/)

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by Przemek Skwirczynski
21 Sep 2016
The recent deterioration of George Soros’s public image has been astonishing. Following coverage of his subversive operations across the world – including his efforts to destabilise Poland (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/19/is-soros-funding-an-agitprop-protest-movement-to-destabilize-polands-new-democratically-elected-government/)– now even the establishment media have picked up on his destructive activities (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-08-16/how-george-soros-threatens-to-make-israel-a-pariah?cmpid=yhoo.headline&yptr=yahoo)), with Bloomberg recently covering his plan to marginalise Israel.

Similarly, the list of Soros’s safe havens has also been shrinking dramatically.

Until recently, out of all the EU countries, only his native Hungary had the courage to suggest his carefully crafted image of ‘global philanthropist’ may be a smoke screen. The country’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban pointed out that Soros is acting to destabilise Europe by supporting (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3297431/Hungarian-Prime-Minister-accuses-billionaire-investor-George-Soros-trying-undermine-Europe-supporting-refugees-travelling-Middle-East.html) illegal migrants from the Middle East. Now his hold over Eastern Europe seems to be waning even further with Polish politicians also picking up on his suspicious activity.

Soros has really entrenched himself in Poland over the last three decades, having established the Stefan Batory Foundation (an off shoot of the Open Society Foundation) in Warsaw in 1988, which admittedly initially had some positive input in helping the Polish society out of the Communist sphere of influence.

Even though the more conservative element has always been suspicious of his real intentions, the ruling class has typically come out in his support, culminating in the former President awarding George Soros the highest Polish decoration available to foreigners.

No Polish politician dared publicly criticised Soros until last recently, when the eurosceptic MP Krystyna Pawłowicz levied a number of direct accusations at him.

Professor Pawłowicz is recognised as a close aide of Jarosław Kaczyński, the leader of the ruling PiS (Law and Justice) party. Ms. Pawłowicz branded Soros a “supra-national lefty troublemaker” who is “openly and brazenly financing the anti-democratic and anti-Polish element with a view to fight Polish sovereignty and indigenous Christian culture”. She further described his activity as “anti-Polish and violating the principles of the Polish constitution”.

Stressing the covert, revolutionary activities of the global speculator, Prof. Pawłowicz went on to accuse Mr. Soros of promoting “unconstitutional and immoral derailment of the society” and of “financing of any initiatives directed against the current democratically elected Polish authorities”.

Having had a distinguished legal career prior to entering the Polish parliament, inclusive of being a former Constitutional Tribunal judge, Prof. Pawłowicz has been particularly focused on the compatibility of Mr. Soros’s operations with the Polish constitution, and questioned whether his activities are in fact altogether illegal in Poland.

Convinced of George Soros’s negative influence on her country, Krystyna Pawłowicz recently called for the relevant authorities to assess the legality of the Polish activities of, as she phrased it, “this pest”.

She has further demanded that he is stripped of the Commandery with Star of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Poland (one of highest Polish honours, awarded typically to foreigners who have rendered great service to Poland) which was awarded to him in 2012 by the former Polish President Komorowski.

This marks a 180-degree turn in the sentiment towards George Soros in one of the historically most sympathetic countries.

SOUROS (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09/21/polish-mp-demands-pest-soros-is-stripped-of-countrys-highest-honour/)

Flash
25th September 2016, 22:20
Wow these videos express very very well how backward and vengeful islamic talk and call to action against the infidels (us, non muslims) is. And it is expressed from Muslims to muslims talking about their every day thinking (on us)

This is exactly the problem we face in the west right now. Confronting imams taught in wahabi muslim schools and left without reason nor the ability for critical thinking. When the woman in the second video says she is areligious, she is called names and told she cannot be listened to. Period. We are facing jihadist from the most backward part of islam and they are millions. And sadly, those muslim that are not brainwashed also pay the price for the really backwards ones. And westerners too.

I am not soft for the high up cabal stealing our workmanship by billions, and i am not soft either for brainwashed people who want to drag the whole planet 2000 years behind. Wanting to kill the pigs if they do not convert to islam. This mentality and call to kill or convert will have no end.

And it has started to affect our lifes as woman on a daily basis, at work when some men refuse to work with us because we are women and infidels while our men are too meek to impose equality and foce those guys to respect us, on the street when we have to be more careful than we used to be, at the store when we have to tolerate degrading comments on western women or on comments about by force the right to 4 women, in cabs, name it.

The arabs muslim migrants we had coming in just fifteen years ago were far from being like this. They were mainly polite, respectful, pleasant even towards women



[...] they have spread all over europe.
Funny how the West fears an 'Arab invasion' while the Arab in this video asks:

"Do we have the abilities to halt this invasion?" (@2:26)
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The Arab Delusions
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turiya
25th September 2016, 23:39
[...] they have spread all over europe.
Funny how the West fears an 'Arab invasion' while the Arab in this video asks:

"Do we have the abilities to halt this invasion?" (@2:26)
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The man asks the rhetorical question: "Do we have the abilities to halt this invasion?"

I would give him credit for declaring honestly that he recognizes it as an 'invasion'. I only wish that the George 'baby' Bush, and the other neo-cons would have done this as well.

Invasion:

'an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain'

The Islam cleric is speaking in the plural sense in using the preposition 'We'. It would be more appropriate for him to ask the rhetorical question to himself:

What can 'I' do to halt this invasion?"

Then the answer to this question will be more clear... He can simply remove himself from his authoritarian position as a cleric of Islam which promotes these invasive principles found in the doctrines, scriptures, social mores of what he teaches to the Arab youth.

The problem is not in fearing an Arab 'invasion'. For such an 'invasion' has already commenced.
The problem is in recognizing the mind-controlled brainwashing that one has been subjected to from the very beginning of one's life. This is, in fact, how so-called 'religion' / cultural mores / maintaining social-order is indoctrinated into the members of each & every society which it calls 'education'.

The real difficulty is having those that promote & propound these doctrines, scriptures, ideologies & to have a deep, hard-look at what it is that they are believing in & teaching to others. And then, appropriately step-down from their positions of authoritarian power - the policy rule makers, mentors, religious zealots - when they come to realize that what they believe is not necessarily anything that can be considered truthful or religious at its root. And that the 'Freedom to Choose' has a higher value in being a real human being.

Those that implement the brainwashing, that believe that an aggressive massive immigration bent on conquest is in anyway beneficial... and the belief in an impact of an extreme degree of diversification will be beneficial to one's own culture & social order is, at the very least, a very destructive & dismantling force... a recipe for bringing forth a U.N. occupying world police force to maintain social order & control as being the premise for such action.


Three Questions for Moderate Muslims
| David Wood |
(Published on Jun 17, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd0DGnTVXhU_______________________________ _

"We Have A Major Crisis": Police Lose Control
Amid Refugee Invasion, 'No-Go Zones' Rise In Sweden
(Published on Sep 25, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovOJyYAjj98

Sammy
26th September 2016, 04:40
Remember the fear that our Syrian refugees would just be a bunch of welfare collecting, jihadists? Maybe that was just in Alberta - it was a loud proclamation here at the time; which we can now see where just the loudly spoken version of fearful rambling thoughts of those with high levels of intolerance.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/syrian-refugees-in-edmonton-step-up-to-help-fort-mcmurray-fire-evacuees-1.3581122
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/syrian-refugee-fort-mcmurray-fire-money-donations-halifax-1.3592043
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/syrian-refugees-in-calgary-help-fort-mcmurray-evacuees-1.2890294

So far there hasn't been one Syrian terrorist that came with the refugees. Yet look how easily the fear can manipulate.
My point is that what really matters is how people act, not what some words say.

Well perhaps, just call me a case of continuing fear mongering...

I don't have to, you did it yourself :).

Maybe the method in itself that Canada uses is far superior for maintaining respect and peace. If the refugees know that someone personally paid to get them here and set up as opposed to a "government" - then perhaps that makes all the difference in the world. As I said - everything you say and all the warnings have been said before, "we were warned" they told us about the Syrian refugees before they arrived. Now, reality! No rapes, no ISIS, no bombs, no welfare cases, just decent people trying to make a new life in Canada when the USA, while telling us they are ;making the world a better place' destroyed their lives that required them to be refugees. Maybe the culture differences in Canada compared to other countries is what makes the difference? I don't know all I can say that is real for certain 100% is not what my screen says but what I seen in my own city and province (and I live in a redneck ultra con province) with my own eyes, and so far I have seen only refugees that are thankful, appreciative, and already giving back as my previous links indicated - all 100% the opposite of what we were warned against ... again, maybe Canada is such a place that just earns that respect.

I think its all because of the great hydro they smokin' up there.

Sammy
26th September 2016, 04:49
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“BREAKING: Liberals to build refugee camps on seven Canadian military bases —
Taxpayers will fund mosques, Korans,” by Ezra Levant, The Rebel, February 8, 2016 [/center]


Might actually be a great idea... well, um... as long as they do what Curacao did - which was to turn their military base into a brothel. So I would make one of the bases "Happy Country."

See, the logic is that if they follow Curacao's lead, they might just reduce the gang rapes (German police: It's an Arab rape game called Taharrush (http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.2374/german-police-it-s-an-arab-rape-game-called-taharrush-and-now-it-has-come-to-europe.html), and now it has come to Europe), like the ones that now frequently happen in Germany since they allowed all those "refugess" in. In addition, this creates tax revenue for the government which can pay for the displaced Canadians!

Campo Alegre (http://www.campoalegresex.com/start.php) (Happy Country)

Iloveyou
26th September 2016, 08:26
Might actually be a great idea... well, um... as long as they do what Curacao did - which was to turn their military base into a brothel. So I would make one of the bases "Happy Country."

See, the logic is that if they follow Curacao's lead, they might just reduce the gang rapes . . . like the ones that now frequently happen in Germany.

I just hope you might come to your senses when you'll be well- rested, sober or you'll have reread your post once more. Have you ever spared a thought what it means for young girls/women to be put in a brothel without escape, which is daily reality worldwide? Some jokes are simply of bad taste, or in the best case thoughtless, even if it's meant to be satirical. A significant part of your readers are women of all ages.

And please give your sources (if possible including their political background) for the assertion that 'taharrush' is now happening in Germany frequently.

turiya
26th September 2016, 11:40
Have you ever spared a thought what it means for young girls/women to be put in a brothel without escape...


....A good question to ask a woman / women that has left / escaped from the so-called 'religion' of Islam.



Sarah Haider: Ex-Muslim
(Published on Nov 16, 2015)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG_N3QltrWY



And please give your sources (if possible including their political background) for the assertion that 'taharrush' is now happening in Germany frequently.


A rape game called ‘Taharrush’ is what might
have happened in Germany during NYE assaults
(Published on Jan 13, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqFpehe2hN0_______________________________ ___

What Pisses Me Off About The German Rape Attacks
(Published on Jan 6, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDxNg7rdT4U_______________________________ ___

Germany Erupts Into Chaos As Protesters Declare
"Rapefugees Not Welcome" - Cologne NYE
(Published on Jan 10, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRkFEMUDwwU_______________________________ ___

Mass RAPE in Cologne Germany :
Refugees STILL Welcome!
(Published on Jan 7, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCtY1o48yuA_______________________________ ___

"Refugees" gang-rape 19 year old German girl on
University plaza, 4th attack this month in Magdeburg
(Published on Oct 31, 2015)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL6j2wHtVBo_______________________________ ___

Taharrush Gamea
(Published on Jan 17, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOMsdM2LpiY

Flash
26th September 2016, 14:23
This taramush game is untolerable to look at on videos, imagine the poor woman surrounded by thousands of me.

However, doesnt it make you think of Hunger games? In real life, with less rules?

Dedushkyn, it is already very difficult for good people to imagine there ispsychos on this planet and still less that some groups can behave like hungry heartless pack of wolves. It is yet more difficult to understand when we are from peaceful places and yet more difficult when we are an adult male I presume. Add to this having worked and met good Muslims, and we KNOW they are not all bad, on the contrary, most are good.

However this knowledge should not stop us from denouncing the pain created on others, be it fromwars or from rape or from even discrimination. And acknowledging that some groups are acting like very large packs of wolves, preying on the most vulnerable because they have been brainwashed to consider them worthless pieces of sh. It. Being infidels and women for example.

I really thought those discussions and shouting for our rights as woman was basically over, not needed any more. To dnd up observing the worst yet pushed on one side by extremely accessible porn sites training our young western boys on how to demand sex from girls and on the other side having to deal with prejudices againsr women coming from more backward than the catholic religion has ever been, much more backward than european middle ages.


Have you ever spared a thought what it means for young girls/women to be put in a brothel without escape...


....A good question to ask a woman / women that has left / escaped from the so-called 'religion' of Islam.



Sarah Haider: Ex-Muslim
(Published on Nov 16, 2015)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG_N3QltrWY



And please give your sources (if possible including their political background) for the assertion that 'taharrush' is now happening in Germany frequently.


A rape game called ‘Taharrush’ is what might
have happened in Germany during NYE assaults
(Published on Jan 13, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqFpehe2hN0_______________________________ ___

What Pisses Me Off About The German Rape Attacks
(Published on Jan 6, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDxNg7rdT4U_______________________________ ___

Germany Erupts Into Chaos As Protesters Declare
"Rapefugees Not Welcome" - Cologne NYE
(Published on Jan 10, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRkFEMUDwwU_______________________________ ___

Mass RAPE in Cologne Germany :
Refugees STILL Welcome!
(Published on Jan 7, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCtY1o48yuA_______________________________ ___

"Refugees" gang-rape 19 year old German girl on
University plaza, 4th attack this month in Magdeburg
(Published on Oct 31, 2015)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL6j2wHtVBo_______________________________ ___

Taharrush Gamea
(Published on Jan 17, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOMsdM2LpiY

Iloveyou
26th September 2016, 14:50
In case you care to have a look here:

http://juanmatus.com/fake-photos-and-videos-flood-internet-after-sexual-assaults-in-germany/
(please scroll down for the pictures)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88533-Crimewave-rising-from-European-Influx-of-Muslim-Immigration&p=1051451&viewfull=1#post1051451

I'm strongly convinced that there's the real massive refugee influx that has been orchestrated for specific reasons and has caused serious problems (which could be dealt with in a rational manner). Additionally groups of disoriented, misled individuals or simply paid criminals have been recruited, instructed and utilised (Cologne, Germany).

Simultaneously there is a staged and faked 'refugee crisis' that serves as a tool for Soros et al. They needed a 'refugee crisis' and fabricated it.

"The nine-page review makes three key points: OSF has been successful at influencing global immigration policy; Europe’s refugee crisis presents “new opportunities” for the organization to influence global immigration policy; and the refugee crisis is the “new normal.”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-16/soros-hack-reveals-plot-behind-europes-refugee-crisis-media-funding-and-manipulation

The real and the staged (mass-media propagated) 'refugee crisis' are mixed up deliberately and constantly. My opinion is that we need to distinguish between both when it comes to our reactions.

Be well.

Peace.

DeDukshyn
26th September 2016, 15:40
This taramush game is untolerable to look at on videos, imagine the poor woman surrounded by thousands of me.

However, doesnt it make you think of Hunger games? In real life, with less rules?

Dedushkyn, it is already very difficult for good people to imagine there ispsychos on this planet and still less that some groups can behave like hungry heartless pack of wolves. It is yet more difficult to understand when we are from peaceful places and yet more difficult when we are an adult male I presume. Add to this having worked and met good Muslims, and we KNOW they are not all bad, on the contrary, most are good.
...

You've highlighted my point ... is the problem 'muslims' (or in this case its worded as arabs) like every headline reads, or is the problem rape? (in the rape cases), or is the problem perhaps a lack of vetting and integration process as AutumnW stated at the top of this thread? Or is the problem outright that while we all cry out about this "muslim refugee" problem demanding something be done (Hegelian dialect trap, btw), very few will cry out against the evil structures that are creating the refugee crisis in the first place? ... I mean where's the protest against this very illegal and brutal war against these muslim countries that is creating these refugees we cry about?

My "point" about all this, as I put forth on many of the "muslim problem" threads is that if we lose track of who the real enemies are and how they are orchestrating this scenario to create the exact reactions we are giving them, so they can further control us better (creeping toward the globalists goal), then we have already lost ...

Flash
26th September 2016, 16:06
You are totally right, it starts with vehemently refusing to make war on any country, and lots of the problem comes from here in the West as well.

However, this should not make us put our heads in the sand and see what Saoudie Arabia has exported as Islam and the Turkish Gulen schools as well (albeit less drastic). The kids are being taught to hate everything that is not Muslim at an early age, and it is the only way they will be schooied and learn to read if poor. If I was the mom of those kids, I was analphabet myself, I would want better for my son and would want them to learn to read, you see. Not knowing they would be brainwashed, or even if knowing they would be, at least a better futur may happen.

If we look at it from a bird view, the main problem is war and poverty, and this could all be solved by stopping war.

On the other hand, We should not refuse to see what is happening in our countries with the result of the above. WE STILL CANNOT ACCEPT THAT OUR WOMEN OR CHILDREN BE MISTREATED in any way. Leniency is not going to help either, in our own countries.

I have been in personal contact with too many Muslims not to know how they are raised and how easy it is with such raising to justify rape or killings of non believers, infidels. I also read the Koran, which most people did not do. I have been tossed away because I was a woman on some jobs, from Canadians macho baby boomers, but in a much harsher way when it was Muslim men. I have been followed when younger at University by Muslim men, heavily harassed, all because I was blonde and not needing respect, not being Muslim, most probably. Once I told friends from northern Quebec that I had enough of Arabs boys following me at school, in the cafeteria, at the library, and trying to touch me. And believe me I was rather conservative in my clothing. I was told I was racist. For god sake!! I had to tell the friends that he would change his mind when it would be his wife who had her ass grasped.

I also have met very good men that were Muslim. But, as a whole, there is much less respect for women in the Muslim male population. I also was not much spoken too by groups or Muslim women at work until the day they realised i had Muslim relatives. Then I was ok to be with, you see.... this is pure religiouscism (racism based on religion). The catholic church was pretty much like this in my grand mother generation, I would never had spoken to you then because you were protestant for example. But never were they told, in that generation, that other people were below pigs and could be raped or killed just for not being catholic. Maybe the inquisition did this in the 1400s. But certainly not since. We are going back centuries if not more.

And when we tell what is happening at home, well thinking politically correct male come in and tell us that we are exagerating, that they are not all like this, that we promote fear. The answer is a strong NO. We know they are not all like this, but enough of them are, in comparison with Canadian in my case, to warrant at a minimum a word of prudence, and pepper spay even if it is forbidden here.

By the way, I think the Canadian goverment is handling the situation quite well, by having families come in, not young celibate males only. We are lucky the young males cannot cross the atlantic on boat as they can to go in Europe, therefore our easier handling of the situation.



This taramush game is untolerable to look at on videos, imagine the poor woman surrounded by thousands of me.

However, doesnt it make you think of Hunger games? In real life, with less rules?

Dedushkyn, it is already very difficult for good people to imagine there ispsychos on this planet and still less that some groups can behave like hungry heartless pack of wolves. It is yet more difficult to understand when we are from peaceful places and yet more difficult when we are an adult male I presume. Add to this having worked and met good Muslims, and we KNOW they are not all bad, on the contrary, most are good.
...

You've highlighted my point ... is the problem 'muslims' (or in this case its worded as arabs) like every headline reads, or is the problem rape? (in the rape cases), or is the problem perhaps a lack of vetting and integration process as AutumnW stated at the top of this thread? Or is the problem outright that while we all cry out about this "muslim refugee" problem demanding something be done (Hegelian dialect trap, btw), very few will cry out against the evil structures that are creating the refugee crisis in the first place? ... I mean where's the protest against this very illegal and brutal war against these muslim countries that is creating these refugees we cry about?

My "point" about all this, as I put forth on many of the "muslim problem" threads is that if we lose track of who the real enemies are and how they are orchestrating this scenario to create the exact reactions we are giving them, so they can further control us better (creeping toward the globalists goal), then we have already lost ...

Flash
26th September 2016, 16:19
Ok, now a joke told to me by a Muslim men:

How do you recognise a religious Muslim man? By his beard? By his head dress?

No, he never smiles.

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They are so hook on the precepts of religion that they cannot live a good life.

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The russians had to chose a religion, and they did not know if they would chose Islam or Christianity. They were measuring the impact of each and evaluating the conditions of each. In the Muslim religion, you cannot drink but can have many wives, therefore lots of sex, while with the Christians you cannot have many wife, so little sex, but can drink all you want.

Being good russians, they were arguing about this all night while drinking vodka. The following morning with a hangover, they said "hell with it" and there it was, they became Christians.

-------------------------

All this to say that Russian men gave up their sex life for a drink of vodka, or yet, that they are not that good at sex. Usually Muslim people laugh that one a lot. Us Christian, we do not quite catch it.

Flash
26th September 2016, 21:29
Mr Dawkins point of view on religions, to which I subscribe pretty much to.

It also does explain some of the point of views of the Muslim clerics

In the video, it is very clear that the penalty for aposthasie for example is the death penalty (leaving one's religion) for Muslims. The cleric says he fails to see the relationships of aposthasy penalty in England. Well, some women are put on death list because of aposthasie in Canada itself (from Muslims) (most of those found on a killing list by the GRC (canada wide police force) in Canada were women by the way). And if born into Islam, not of your chosing, you cannot ever leave it under death penalty. It says everything.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzoZuHtJ0EI

the second video explains further the impediment religions create on the most radical faithful, people who otherwise are basically good people. For Dawkins, all the dogmatic beliefs such as extreme patriotism, marxism, religionism is the problem.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0jA6VsivBE

DeDukshyn
26th September 2016, 23:22
You are totally right, it starts with vehemently refusing to make war on any country, and lots of the problem comes from here in the West as well.

However, this should not make us put our heads in the sand and see what Saoudie Arabia has exported as Islam and the Turkish Gulen schools as well (albeit less drastic). ... trim ...

No we shouldn't put our head in the sand, but how we approach and talk about and perceive the problem makes all the difference.

What I am trying to get as that we should avoid seeing this as a "muslim" problem - when a person in Canada breaks the law, that person must answer for his crimes. If he is a rapist - than that is what he is - a Canadian rapist. It's a Canadian problem. That rapist might have a Christian background, he might be native or Inuk, or maybe he's French or German, or maybe he's muslim. White people are responsible for as many if not more-so, rapes, and other heinous crimes - this does not mean we should label a "white" problem, does it? Or a Christian problem? Or a Native problem? We have a local problem with individuals - this is what we have - I don't care where you initially came from or what background you have - if you live in Canada, you follow Canadian law, else you are prosecuted.

If the perception of the problem is kept to where the problem actually is, without the labels, and the grouping, and the stereotyping, then the problem stays within local law to address - and we have every right to pressure them to address these crimes if we feel the crimes against the victims are not being handled appropriately. It's a democracy we can do that.

Now, if the perception is allowed to be kept, (as all media, and most threads here, etc.) that "muslims are rapists", "muslims are terrorists", "muslims make us feel less safe" - now you have sweeping statements that those who want you to make those statements, have those perceptions will use to further take away liberties and freedoms in the guise of "making us safer" - this is their plan - they have succeeded in making us see muslims as "terrorists" - it didn't work out too well for them after 9/11, but now they are succeeding - just as several previous posts on this thread indicate.

They are succeeding in make us fearful of muslims, succeeded in making us believe muslims are terrorists, and succeeding in the Hegelian dialect where we get upset at the perception of the problem, demand the solution, and the solution is to forward the end to their NWO. Everytime we as individuals share a video, a report, a news article where the perception reinforces that "muslims are terrorists", or "muslims are rapists", etc. we are directly helping them achieve their NWO plans. I have said it before on other threads of the same topic I will not support that, and I have to do my due diligence as a lover of life and of this planet and not support the "real" terrorists and their plans for a NWO. I certainly would be a huge hippocrate if I supported them with my actions but called out against them, wouldn't I. My purpose on this thread is to point that out to people, you cannot condemn a "master" while actively supporting their causes.

We need to keep the labels, groupings and stereotypes out of the equation in all our correspondence to be effective in this regard. We can still utilize relentless improvement to ensure Canada is a safe place to live without have to serve the fear, hate, and control desires of those who are orchestrating these scenarios, who are confident in knowing that we will fulfill all the heavy lifting for them -- time to break that relationship; the method is as I posted above.

turiya
29th September 2016, 14:27
No we shouldn't put our head in the sand...

More to the point is having the awareness that one's head may already be in the sand...
And, it has been there for quite some time.


…we should avoid seeing this as a "muslim" problem - when a person in Canada breaks the law, that person must answer for his crimes…

…I don't care where you initially came from or what background you have - if you live in Canada, you follow Canadian law, else you are prosecuted.

Careful... don’t look now, but the 'rug' you're standing on (the rule of law) is in the process of being pulled out from underneath your feet… in various nations (including Canada) - by the so-called "liberal" leadership, that is pushed by the “liberal” media.




'Liberal' for whom?

Certainly not for the citizens of the very nation(s) that they reside within… Yes, ‘liberal’ for those that intend to restructure the society that is foreign to them, and in which you live…

It starts on the local level...


Toronto Muslims want soccer played by sharia rules (https://youtu.be/PogWHvG8sb8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PogWHvG8sb8
Muslims win prayer case against Webber Academy (https://youtu.be/XELWyJeKSV0)
(A non-denominational private school)

Alberta's leading independent school, the Webber Academy, was just ordered by that province's so-called "Human Rights Commission" to pay $26,000 to the families of two Muslim students who were refused permission to pray in that non-denominational school.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XELWyJeKSV0
Political party leader Paul Weston (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Weston_(politician)) was arrested by police and faces up to two years in jail for criticizing the religion of Islam during a public speech in the United Kingdom. Weston's "racially aggravated" hate crime consisted of him quoting Winston Churchill. Weston's arrest reveals the chilling implementation of thought crime in Britain and how political correctness is being used as a weapon with which to destroy the edifice of freedom of speech across the western world.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfBXxsxKbso
Toronto Islamic Street Preacher's views
on Canadian and Islamic laws
QUOTE: “WHO CARES ABOUT CANADIAN LAW”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3smmektRcEY
Paul Joseph Watson says he will eventually have to move from England to America…


The War For Western Civilization |
Paul Joseph Watson and Stefan Molyneux
(Published on Sep 28, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W08M50N_0Q8

turiya
29th September 2016, 15:34
A Warning For Canada - GBTV
(Published on Mar 7, 2012)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ez-byfmcwc

DeDukshyn
29th September 2016, 20:53
No we shouldn't put our head in the sand...

More to the point is having the awareness that one's head may already be in the sand...
And, it has been there for quite some time.

...trim...



Sorry but I won't be baited into supporting the evil dictators and their plans. :) Nice try though ... some people may be in that predicament - but those are people who also have no real clues about anything else wrong with this world.

If you look carefully to the tone of my posts never once have I said that there is "no problems" in the world regarding people who happen to be muslims. I am getting to the actual details - which is that some people break laws in Canada and those people answer for their crimes. There are already many examples of muslims who decided to enact "sharia law" and now sit in Canadian jails.

I recall the warnings of the crash of '07 were coming in over a year before anything began to actually crash at all. I also clearly recall a couple analysis of the phenomenon and my own speculation that it was actually the fear of the crash that caused people to make decisions that inevitably led to the crash itself occurring. The actions people took to mitigate an unseen fear of an economic crash, actually created the crash itself, or in the very least caused it to be multiple times worse than it would naturally have been ; think about how this might apply here. If one understands how the stock markets work, one can clearly understand how this can easily occur. This is also how crashes can be created "on demand" by the international banksters and their minions.

I beg to say that I have a very clear view, and I choose carefully where and how to spread information and communication to ensure I am not contributing the problems I see around me.

Feel free to post more speculative and warning youtube videos though, just be aware this is exactly what the architects of the so called "muslim problem" want you to do - spread the fear that will eventually manifest into the fear itself. The choice is yours, either change your perspective to see and work on local issues or risk playing into the globalists plans to capitalize on that fear and hate. It's really not complex and spreading more fear, "warnings", and labeling it a "muslim problem" is certainly doing the opposite of mitigating what that might create. "Hate begets more hate" - unless someone is strong enough to break that cycle ... :)

Your not still beliving in the left-wing / right wing BS are you? :) Another example of Hegelian dialect put in place to restrict democracy to a single path for the elitists plans. period.

turiya
30th September 2016, 02:28
Sorry but I won't be baited into supporting the evil dictators and their plans.... Your not still beliving in the left-wing / right wing BS are you?...

Evil dictators?

You still believe that there is such a thing as good & evil... that there is anything such as right & wrong in this world?

Never said that there was a Muslim problem... this is your mis-understanding....

Claiming to be Muslim is identifying with a false reality... it resides within a fictitious world... one is only dreaming in nightmares... believing them to be real...
Saying there is a Muslim problem... is like saying your shadow has been stalking you. One can fight with one's own shadow... but I would not advise it... Just a waste of time... energy... very precious energy...


"Hate begets more hate" - unless someone is strong enough to break that cycle

Saying a rose is a rose is a rose, has nothing to do with hate...
Awareness is the only virtue... Unawareness is the only sin...
Hatefulness is a symptom of unconsciousness - a self-imposed mental illness...
Awareness is contagious... Awareness is the cure that can be spread to others that are in close proximity... and with it, so-called 'dis-eases' disappear...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b01KZ82GO8

DeDukshyn
30th September 2016, 17:52
Sorry but I won't be baited into supporting the evil dictators and their plans.... Your not still beliving in the left-wing / right wing BS are you?...

Evil dictators?

You still believe that there is such a thing as good & evil... that there is anything such as right & wrong in this world?

Never said that there was a Muslim problem... this is your mis-understanding....

Claiming to be Muslim is identifying with a false reality... it resides within a fictitious world... one is only dreaming in nightmares... believing them to be real...
Saying there is a Muslim problem... is like saying your shadow has been stalking you. One can fight with one's own shadow... but I would not advise it... Just a waste of time... energy... very precious energy...


"Hate begets more hate" - unless someone is strong enough to break that cycle

Saying a rose is a rose is a rose, has nothing to do with hate...
Awareness is the only virtue... Unawareness is the only sin...
Hatefulness is a symptom of unconsciousness - a self-imposed mental illness...
Awareness is contagious... Awareness is the cure that can be spread to others that are in close proximity... and with it, so-called 'dis-eases' disappear...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b01KZ82GO8

Sorry, I meant to say "evil" dictators. Is that better? You are now pretending that this isn't an extremely emotionally charged issue for 90% of people to who choose to spend their mind occupied with such thoughts. No need to deflect from context to try to sustain an argument.

What about the awareness that spreading such youtube videos, harbouring such thoughts, and communicated stereotypes to others is destructive and is only going to "crash the market", if you catch my drift ... where's the awareness of that? I agree awareness can be helpful - but not if it is a restrictive view. It's useless unless you can also cast off the chains that bind ones perceptions.

This is probably end of thread for me ... :)

turiya
30th September 2016, 23:23
Sorry, I meant to say "evil" dictators. Is that better? You are now pretending that this isn't an extremely emotionally charged issue for 90% of people to who choose to spend their mind occupied with such thoughts. No need to deflect from context to try to sustain an argument.

What about the awareness that spreading such youtube videos, harbouring such thoughts, and communicated stereotypes to others is destructive and is only going to "crash the market", if you catch my drift ... where's the awareness of that? I agree awareness can be helpful - but not if it is a restrictive view. It's useless unless you can also cast off the chains that bind ones perceptions.

This is probably end of thread for me ... :)

Run... if you can't deal with what I'm pointing out... run if you want to, its okay with me. But, before you leave, I will make a final rebuttal to you while you exit...

Laying down observable facts, about the emotional instability of those that "believe" in such dreams / fictions / beliefs / ideologies => in the literal sense of Mohammad being a prophet of god - that perpetuates a living nightmare for other real human beings across this planet who don't 'believe' in such nonsense, this does not feed into / incite emotions for those that lay outside that specific system of belief (Islam).

Having a certain awareness, this would ultimately contribute to the real issue that is at hand. And that is:


If one truly 'knows' the truth regarding Mohammad, or whatever you choose to believe to be true, then what does it matter what others think?

Getting emotional over any criticism of Islam, or anything else that one chooses to believe in, only shows that one still has a deep lingering doubt over what they have chosen to "believe" as being True. Getting emotional, riled up, fanatical over what others say, shows that absolute Trust in one's chosen "belief" has actually never been attained.

Bottom line is: If one really "knows" that their belief (in whatever) is absolutely True, then what does it matter what others think or say. Getting emotional over what others think or say, simply is a reflection of one's own doubt about what s/he is "believing" to be true. One has a lingering doubt about whether it is actually true or not.

Getting emotional over it, does not serve your supposed 'knowing' the Truth. Hence, the rise in emotional instability. One is brought to face one's own doubt about what one has chosen to believe to be true. The usual reaction is to be defensive. And, its quite commonly known that the best defense is a good offense.

I will additionally point out that 'running away' only shows that what is being said here, is causing one's own doubt to rise up within. It actually is the very same thing - its the same mechanism. The "house of cards", whatsoever one has chosen to "believe" to be true, is being shaken at its very foundation. So, the reaction is: One needs to escape so the walls of the house stop quaking & shaking - a time to regroup...

Ciao for now...


George Carlin --- Religion is Bullsh!t
(Uploaded on Apr 23, 2009)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE

turiya
2nd October 2016, 13:27
Maybe u haven't thought about it.... but, Stepping back from the emotional opera - you, DeDukshyn, may just get a better view of what I am talking about... just to get a better view of the bigger picture that we are all engaged in here...



Bill Maher and George Carlin on Religion
(Published on Apr 27, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn4n7x9a29c

Akasha
2nd October 2016, 15:01
It's ok if an arab is overly critical of arabs isn't it (assuming the subtitles represent what he is actually saying, and even if not they still represent the reality of islam)?

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Atlas
2nd October 2016, 15:52
youtube.com/L_4ZWpw0BFQ
Youtube comments say: fake translation.


lol guys arabic speaker here, this is fake.

DeDukshyn
2nd October 2016, 16:21
Maybe u haven't thought about it.... but, Stepping back from the emotional opera - you, DeDukshyn, may just get a better view of what I am talking about... just to get a better view of the bigger picture that we are all engaged in here...


[center]Bill Maher and George Carlin on Religion
(Published on Apr 27, 2016)
... trim ...


Wow, everything I posted just went way over your head didn't it? lol! Your last 4 posts have almost nothing to do with anything I posted ... :confused:

mahalall
2nd October 2016, 17:28
Living, working and traveling in the Middle East one thing you learn is a smile is a smile. I have to I have encountered the greatest wisdom, love and laughter in these communities. Remember this people are of the sand they have had to learn to survive and live in the harshest of environment. Understand there nature and you will understand why they are as they are. One of the intriguing insights is the parallel relation between the kabba (the black box of Mecca) and the northern hemisphere of Saturn-I suspect some branch of pagan-dudistic planet worship contributed to unifiying a couture of beduwin travelers to think in the box. But really share a meal with this comunity. Serve there needs and one will see they have a dignified way to offer. As for the militancy-it has a warrior nature but there may be truth in that they created the early breakaway human group who fault the Annaunki rulers. What we may be seeing is the fear propaganda of an annauki blood line who know the warriors will destroy them.

Akasha
2nd October 2016, 17:45
youtube.com/L_4ZWpw0BFQ
Youtube comments say: fake translation.


lol guys arabic speaker here, this is fake.

I insinuated such a possibility in my comment. The claims of the subtitles still stand though, even if they were not related to what the man in the video actually said.

Any religion which carries the death penalty for apostasy is effectively like a mafia, where any attempt to leave is met with the gravest form of intimidation. This is why I pity muslims: they've collectively adopted a coercive doctrine of abuse, subjugation and murder through......abuse, subjugation and murder.

Granted, christianity had similar consequences for heresy several hundred years ago but not now.

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turiya
2nd October 2016, 19:19
Okay- Welcome back, DeDukshyn. Ditto on the 'Wow' part.

On the contrary, your reactionary reply shows that you've missed the entirety of what I've been saying.
What I've posted has everything to do with what you're attempting to say... and more... its based on having a better understanding & more complete perception of what the larger picture entails.

You seem to be an intelligent individual.
But that's the case with all living creatures on this planet.
Intelligent perception is a matter of degree: dirt & rocks are on the low end of that spectrum, trees have a higher degree than rocks, earth worms a bit more higher & so on.

Analogy: Viewing an iceberg floating on the ocean, a ship's captain knows enough to keep a good distance from it. As the lower part of the iceberg that is not seen - that which is below the surface - has a much greater mass, a greater volume - psychology would call the iceberg that is seen on the surface as the conscious mind. The part that sits below the surface is the unconscious part of the mind.

Its like your points are focusing on what can be seen on the surface by most individuals - that which sits on the surface of the ocean - i.e. the waves of emotions that is tied to the established "political correctness" when debating an issue. Religious zealots & "believers" on the topic of Criticism of the so-called 'religion of Islam' are disturbed - emotionally - when a critique doesn't adhere to the established political correctness.

What I'm pointing to is what lies beneath the surface of the ocean - that which underlies repetitious emotional reaction to that criticism - is the mistaken identity with the programming that usually takes place within a society after the birthing process. It is a false identification.

Criticism of one's accepted belief(s) usually causes an emotional reaction. And, like I said before, this results in moving to a defensive position. And an aggressive offensive attack is quite a common result. 'Islamophobia', 'bigot' & 'racist' - are terms that are often perpetrated by those 'believers' that refuse to look at their own doubt that lingers within regarding the conditioned belief system that they have chosen not to explore for themselves - in looking more deeply into whether the ideology is true or not true.

I don't think that there should be any difficulty in understanding what is explained with this...


Baby, My Whole Work Is to Confuse You
(Published on May 19, 2013)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xggTJCCxFss

ozmirage
4th October 2016, 00:43
A comprehensive collection of politically incorrect facts about "peaceful" Islam.
https://www.politicalislam.com/reading-koran-op-ed/
Top seven themes of the Koran


1. All non-Muslims are bad just by virtue of not being Muslim. And for other reasons too

2. Non-Muslims deserve to be killed, taxed and forced to submit, simply because they are non-Muslim

3. Non-Muslims are going to hell

4. Christians are bad, Jews are really bad, Idolaters are the worst

5. Good Muslims finance holy war and if possible engage in it themselves

6. Heaven is a comfy and scenic banquet hall with beautiful women and boys, tasty drinks and lots of fountains.

7. Hell is fire with torture, and it goes on forever.

TargeT
4th October 2016, 13:36
http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/moderate-islam-erdogan.jpg
I still think this thread should be titled "overly critical of islam".. I've got no issues with Arabs.


Donkeys Slaughtered in Mosul for ‘Mocking’ ISIS Leader al-Baghdadi
http://ifpnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/A-donkey-and-ISIS-leader-Abu-Bakr-al-Baghdadi-549256.jpg
The twisted extremists attacked donkeys in the ISIS-held city of Mosul after someone plastered them with photographs of the so-called “caliph” Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, as reported by Daily Mail and covered by Al Alam.

Donkeys are considered a low, dirty animal in many Arab countries and the paranoid fighters took it as an insult to their leader.

The fighters, who are facing annihilation as the Iraqi army surrounds the city, reportedly chased the poor beasts through the streets and killed them.

Iraqi news website al-Sumaria News said, “Unidentified persons put the photos of the ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on donkeys in central Mosul – and this pushed the ISIS members to pursue the donkeys to kill them.

“ISIS mobilised its fighters in the city and raided a house in order to search for the people who hung Baghdadi’s pictures on the donkeys.”
http://ifpnews.com/news/world/middle-east/2016/10/donkeys-slaughtered-mocking-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi/

Sueanne47
4th October 2016, 14:07
That is pathetic, to kill those poor animals 'cos they upset Baghdadi!, I wish we could remove this cancer once and for all.

Iloveyou
4th October 2016, 17:12
from the above link:

"The ISIS’ demented regime has plunged to new depths as it slaughters innocent animals for “mocking” leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi."

So can the roots of ISIS be tracked back to Islam or to the CIA/MOSSAD? Did I mix something up?

TargeT
4th October 2016, 18:05
So can the roots of ISIS be tracked back to Islam or to the CIA/MOSSAD? Did I mix something up?

Both ;)

Islam was already there, it's tenants were leveraged by the CIA/MOSSAD to create the "freedom fighters" we wanted for regime change.

Carmody
4th October 2016, 18:39
the shenanigans go all the way back to kaiser Wilhelm getting involved in the region in the very early 1900's, in order to interfere in US and British control/monopolization of the region.

Then you arrive at the fed reserve's financing of Hitler via the Union banking corporation, which was run for them by Prescott bush, the father of GWH bush and grandfather of G Bush Junior.

Then project paperclip, the 7-9000 Nazi scientists brought back to the USA, into black ops.... via the OSS and the Dulles brothers, the OSS which became the CIA.

Where the CIA was run by Bush Senior (GHWB), and that the invasion of the middle east by the USA took place under his watch and a second invasion of the middle east took place under his son's watch. Then the whole "nazi pardon- warren commission -I.G. Farben lawyer -hitler's 1936 Olympics box" tangent...of John J McCloy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J._McCloy). Things get crazy.... but they are definitely true.

That the wahhabists running Saudi Arabia have been drifting into being stanch fascists since that time that kaiser Wilhelm visited them in approx 1901.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Bush-abdullah1.jpg

So, we have the fascist deep state via CIA friends and cutouts, influencing and working with Saudi Arabia, who are accused of funding and working with ISIS/ISIL/Etc...

And we apparently now have GWHB (senior) apparently saying he is going to vote Hillary (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/exclusive-george-hw-bush-to-vote-for-hillary-228395).

There are no sides here, there is only a two faced oligarchy with factions and an overall agenda, and public face.... tied into a fight for control and power.

We are dealing with fascist oligarchy in both the Democratic party and the republican party. Each having a different agenda in presentation of name and face, only.

I'm not sure what Trump represents, but it appears to be something quite different than what has come before. Not quite a cut-out or team player, and possibly even a real actual spoiler.

Eram
4th October 2016, 19:08
I'm not sure what Trump represents, but it appears to be something quite different than what has come before. Not quite a cut-out or team player, and possibly even a real actual spoiler.

Indeed.
If the press and establishment really cared about being unprepared, inexperienced, weak on facts, and being a buffoon for the job of president, they would have all rallied behind Al Gore in 2000, just like they do now behind Clinton.

It's all a very distinct sign that the cabal fears Trump and the damage that he can do to their cause.
It is also another piece of circumstantial evidence that this cabal really exists and is planning for a one world fascist government.

Flash
9th October 2016, 23:28
Interesting research on Muslim people in 23 different countries, villages and cities, literate and illiterate, quite interesting.

Dedushkyn, you will like it

But... I must add that the most drastic Muslim cultures are the one promoted in the West by their extremists (I could as well post videos of Imans in British Mosks telling their people to kill)

and the fact that the main difference between the WEst and the Middle East is the role of women in Islam.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXccdCzGnu8

Iloveyou
28th October 2016, 21:58
Well, I'm ready to listen to this guy's balanced and differentiated point of view (with the emphasis on the differentiation between the ideology and the people).

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Hamed Abdel-Samad, author of 'Islamic fascism':

Egyptian-German political scientist, historian and author, son of a Sunni Imam "converted from Islam to knowledge" as he says himself, after studying languages, political science and religious studies in Egypt, Germany and Japan. He has been accused of heresy in 2010 and condemned to death by various Islamic clerics, notably in June 2013 after a lecture he gave in Cairo.

Atlas
31st October 2016, 22:22
http://i.imgur.com/lCjcbvu.png
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