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Bill Ryan
4th November 2016, 14:24
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This footage documenting an entire 'Wag the Dog' faked incident in Iraq is really quite extraordinary.

Watch carefully. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iu8XFDEu_4

norman
4th November 2016, 14:55
The Boston Marathon carnage was only slightly better filmed.

TargeT
4th November 2016, 15:03
so much falseness out there... I guess there's no reason to assume "crisis actors" are unique to the US.

our memories are so malleable, they can be reshaped pretty easily & here we see a few of the methods used to shape perspective by that propaganda outlet we so willingly let into our homes (sometimes multiple rooms of our home!).

Luckily the equipment that used to be solely theirs (audio & video recording with a platform to show it on) is now in everyone's hands & catching these things should be more and more frequent.

guayabal
4th November 2016, 16:48
And for the sake of completeness, the BBC report about WTC7 having collapsed before it happens is a classic, in case you haven't seen it: ltP2t9nq9fI

TargeT
4th November 2016, 17:33
CNN isn't the only one.. but they've certainly had a lot of practice at "fake news"...

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Do they, like practice this stuff first, or give a "pre filming" talk to everyone?
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Hmm, that white cop looks familiar.....
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Seems like they enjoy using Green screens, but baring that.. almost ANY tactic to lie about the location of their reporting ( to better sell the story???)
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Evidence of CNN ALSO colluding with HRC to push D. Trump's campaign?... hey why not... CNN also tells us only to trust them....
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Remember back when Ebola was going to kill everyone?
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I could keep going...

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CNN footage of Saudi in the 1990's WAS real? (famous "blue screen" that everyone makes fun of):
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Once again, conspiracy theorists have jumped to conclusions without doing research. This time they believe a CNN news report was faked in front of a bluescreen. Let's break down why this is false.


Actually, that's all I could find.. but it's fairly compelling.. besides, "green screen" tech back in the 1990's was total crap so it makes sense.. they certainly are using it (green screen tech) now however (and it's still obvious.. haha)

Cidersomerset
4th November 2016, 17:40
:dog: :cash: :silent: :( = :sherlock: :nono: :evil: :ballchain: :happy dog:


There are many examples and they are all in plain sight if you understand
there meaning and connections.......

'Clinton & ISIS funded by same money' - Assange interview w/John Pilger
(Courtesy Darthmouth Films)

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Published on 4 Nov 2016
In the second excerpt from the John Pilger Special, to be exclusively broadcast by
RT on Saturday, courtesy of Dartmouth Films, Julian Assange accuses Hillary
Clinton of misleading Americans about the true scope of Islamic State’s support
from Washington’s Middle East allies.

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CIA NN or the Clinton News Network admit they


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Donna Brazile , CNN ? give Hillary heads up...

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‘Russia not behind Clinton leaks’ – Assange interview with John Pilger (Courtesy Darthmouth Films)

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Published on 3 Nov 2016

In an exclusive interview with renowned filmmaker John Pilger and his Darmouth
Films company, Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange has responded to claims that
Russia is behind recent Wikileaks revelations about Hillary Clinton, adding that he
feels "sorry" for the U.S. presidential candidate. RT's Polly Boiko has more

blackdog
4th November 2016, 18:02
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This footage documenting an entire 'Wag the Dog' faked incident in Iraq is really quite extraordinary.

Watch carefully. :)

Where did he get this footage from?

Cidersomerset
4th November 2016, 18:03
so much falseness out there... I guess there's no
reason to assume "crisis actors" are unique to the US.

There's a company in the UK specializing in this which I
put on the London drill thread last year......


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Hollywood style! US Commentator // Crisis Actors // UK Police Stage Counter-Terror Training Exercise in London?

Whats the difference between a ' terrorist attack' a drill and a false flag ????
apart from real casualties ......Not as much as you would expect with blood,
smoke , gun shots explosions it can be hard to spot the difference especially
on film and news reports later !!

Its coming up to the 10th anniversary of the suspected 7/7 'false flag' that
killed and maimed many innocent bystanders in the exact locations mock drills
were going on...Uhm where did that happen before ? Airforce drill and
exercises on 9/11 !!

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UK Police Stage Counter-Terror Training Exercise in London

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Published on 30 Jun 2015

The exercise dubbed Operation Strong Tower has been planned for six months and
is not connected to the recent attack at a north African beach resort. Deputy
Assistant Commissioner Maxine de Brunner says the Met has never before put on
an exercise of this magnitude and that it would be "very realistic."


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Terrorist attack drill in London ,Police stage mock Tunisia-style 'marauding gun attack'

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Published on 30 Jun 2015


Terrorist attack drill in London ,Police stage mock Tunisia-style 'marauding gun attack'

Read more......

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83267-Hollywood-style--US-Commentator-Crisis-Actors-UK-Police-Stage-Counter-Terror-Training-Exercise-in-London&p=974030#post974030

mojo
4th November 2016, 18:12
You know how doctors take the Hippocratic oath is there any such code of ethic for journalists?

TargeT
4th November 2016, 18:14
You know how doctors take the Hippocratic oath is there any such code of ethic for journalists?

there should be (it might help a little).

I think there used to be a journalistic pride, but any more it's just plastic people pushing agendas that are handed to them....



Where did he get this footage from?

Is that a valid question?

I'd rather see the CNN clip that lines up with that footage (if that footage was used in the press) than know where it came from (that could be closing in on a logical fallacy, the messenger is not important, the message is (http://www.springhole.net/logical-fallacies/attack-the-source.htm))

Cidersomerset
4th November 2016, 18:31
This is what I was looking for , obviously on the surface it is innocent enough,
but as with many other scenarios it can be exploited and hard up actors
do not usually ask many questions if they need cash ....

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Re: Bastille Day Nice France Terror Truck attack

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91894-Bastille-Day-Nice-France-Terror-Truck-attack&p=1082181&viewfull=1#post1082181

Looking on the web just found this company which is interesting , this does not mean they
do nefarious jobs as their job is legit and important in the right conditions for training, drills etc.
They have an impressive list of clients.http://crisiscast.com/clients/.

I'm not suggesting they were used in Nice , or this company does anything dodgy either.
But I thought I'd post it as I was looking into the subject after bluestflames post above...
The website looks professional so I presume it real. I'm sure others in the
community have seen this before , and there are a few vids on u'tube I just noticed.

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Award winning role play actors and film makers specially trained in disaster and crisis management.

We dramatise events for emerging security needs in the UK, Middle East and worldwide. Our specialist
role play actors – many with security clearance – are trained by behavioural psychologists and rigorously
rehearsed in criminal and victim behaviour to help police, the army and the emergency services, hospitals,
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criminal justice departments, media and the military to simulate incident environments for life saving procedures.

We use state of the art British film industry techniques, props and special effects to help trainers deliver
essential, hands-on, high octane crisis response and disaster management training. We also work with
trainee doctors, psychologists and care professionals.

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www.crisiscast.com

Published on 1 Oct 2013
Simulated mass casualty event run for training in the UK

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Some of the work we do is sensitive. It can also be of vital importance.
We believe in loyalty and we understand the need for confidentiality.
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Here are a few of the clients we have been privileged to work with recently:


CrisisCast

Award winning role play actors and film makers specially trained in disaster and crisis management.

We dramatise events for emerging security needs in the UK, Middle East and worldwide. Our specialist
role play actors – many with security clearance – are trained by behavioural psychologists and rigorously
rehearsed in criminal and victim behaviour to help police, the army and the emergency services, hospitals,
schools, local authorities, government, private security firms, shopping centres, airports, big business,
criminal justice departments, media and the military to simulate incident environments for life saving procedures.

We use state of the art British film industry techniques, props and special effects to help trainers deliver
essential, hands-on, high octane crisis response and disaster management training. We also work with
trainee doctors, psychologists and care professionals.

Solutions

Our role play actors are psychologically trained in criminal and victim behaviour.

read more...

http://crisiscast.com/

blackdog
5th November 2016, 16:22
Where did he get this footage from?

Is that a valid question?

I'd rather see the CNN clip that lines up with that footage (if that footage was used in the press) than know where it came from (that could be closing in on a logical fallacy, the messenger is not important, the message is (http://www.springhole.net/logical-fallacies/attack-the-source.htm))

Yes, it is a valid question.

I would like to see the CNN clip that matches this footage, as well, but there doesnt seem to be any media footage from anyone. Why would they go to such lengths to do this for no cameras? The only thing I could find are the pictures from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3888776/In-dawn-assault-Iraqi-special-forces-near-Mosul-east.html They say it happened in Hurriyah on October 31, 2016, and the spot looks very similar to the one in the video. Where's the CNN video, though? I dont see CNN covering this at all, really.

I wasnt making an ad hominem attack, either. This footage seems too good to be true, so I would like to know where it came from and why it was released. For all I know, it was released by our government as disinfo to muddy the conspiracy waters. It could have been done by Iraqis for whatever reason. Maybe it is an insurance scam. Who knows what it is. It is nice that it was perfectly framed for this 'security cam' on a street that doesnt look to have anything to secure.

I believe this logical fallacy question came up once before between us regarding the work of Jim Fetzer, who used a story from a joke website in one of his books and then said it didnt matter if the site was comedic because it is a logical fallacy to attack the messenger. Yet, this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard and is another reason not to trust Fetzer. The site invented a story saying Ringo Starr admitted that Paul died and was replaced, but Ringo never said that. It was a story meant for entertainment, and Fetzer put it in his book, saying that the source did not matter. Absurd.

This thread is about whether CNN and other mainstream media can be trusted, but you question the validity of asking where information originates? We might as well trust CNN if the source does not matter.

TargeT
5th November 2016, 16:52
Where did he get this footage from?

Is that a valid question?

I'd rather see the CNN clip that lines up with that footage (if that footage was used in the press) than know where it came from (that could be closing in on a logical fallacy, the messenger is not important, the message is (http://www.springhole.net/logical-fallacies/attack-the-source.htm))

Yes, it is a valid question.

I would like to see the CNN clip that matches this footage, as well, but there doesnt seem to be any media footage from anyone. Why would they go to such lengths to do this for no cameras? The only thing I could find are the pictures from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3888776/In-dawn-assault-Iraqi-special-forces-near-Mosul-east.html They say it happened in Hurriyah on October 31, 2016, and the spot looks very similar to the one in the video. Where's the CNN video, though? I dont see CNN covering this at all, really.

I looked all over and couldn't find that video used, but that doesn't mean it's not out there i guess. The graffiti on the wall in the vidoe was black, the graffiti in that link you posted was red, so not the same car bombing from my analysis.

I agree that it's a bit "convenient" that we have this footage.


I wasnt making an ad hominem attack, either. This footage seems too good to be true, so I would like to know where it came from and why it was released. For all I know, it was released by our government as disinfo to muddy the conspiracy waters. It could have been done by Iraqis for whatever reason. Maybe it is an insurance scam. Who knows what it is. It is nice that it was perfectly framed for this 'security cam' on a street that doesnt look to have anything to secure.
I believe this logical fallacy question came up once before between us regarding the work of Jim Fetzer, who used a story from a joke website in one of his books and then said it didnt matter if the site was comedic because it is a logical fallacy to attack the messenger. Yet, this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard and is another reason not to trust Fetzer. The site invented a story saying Ringo Starr admitted that Paul died and was replaced, but Ringo never said that. It was a story meant for entertainment, and Fetzer put it in his book, saying that the source did not matter. Absurd.
This thread is about whether CNN and other mainstream media can be trusted, but you question the validity of asking where information originates? We might as well trust CNN if the source does not matter.
I did not mean to infer that you were exercising that logical fallacy, just that the line of questioning can be a bit distracting & ultimately pointless.

Jim F. didn't even give the message any consideration, the message is what matters, not the messenger; if he had learned from say CNN that Paul was replaced it would still be just as wrong right? The source may need some meta consideration, but it has nothing to do with the message.

Truth with still be true no matter what mouth it comes from, looking to the source usually ends up being a distraction when the message at hand needs to be explored.

IMO, until I see this video (from the OP) being used in the media somewhere the "message" is pointless; this type of thing must have corroborating evidence. It's not very useful on it's own, though the implications are interesting.

Akasha
5th November 2016, 19:58
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This footage documenting an entire 'Wag the Dog' faked incident in Iraq is really quite extraordinary.

Watch carefully. :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iu8XFDEu_4

Shame the youtuber (Russianvids) is a flat earther.

TargeT
5th November 2016, 22:40
Shame the youtuber (Russianvids) is a flat earther.

Haha, now THAT is a good example of the logical fallacy we were just discussing ;)

DeDukshyn
5th November 2016, 23:14
Shame the youtuber (Russianvids) is a flat earther.

Haha, now THAT is a good example of the logical fallacy we were just discussing ;)

And (in case anyone still can't quite see the connection) a good example of the potential usefulness to the true perpetrators of the "flat Earth" psyop. One needs to extrapolate just a little ... and you can see how the "experts" can easily dismiss this whole video because the author is a "flat Earther" and therefore a complete nutjob.

ulli
5th November 2016, 23:20
My first encounter with CNN staging an event was the aereal view of the pulling down of the statue of Saddam.
Later I heard of many others, including from a woman who worked in Serbia during the war and who saw that CNN were getting corpses from the local morgues to stage "proofs" of massacres.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Toppling_the_statue_of_Saddam_Hussein

Bill Ryan
6th November 2016, 00:21
My first encounter with CNN staging an event was the aereal view of the pulling down of the statue of Saddam.
Later I heard of many others, including from a woman who worked in Serbia during the war and who saw that CNN were getting corpses from the local morgues to stage "proofs" of massacres.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Toppling_the_statue_of_Saddam_Hussein

That's great. I never knew that. Here's the detail from the SourceWatch page (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Toppling_the_statue_of_Saddam_Hussein):




Toppling the statue of Saddam Hussein


Toppling the statue of Saddam Hussein was a staged event, by U.S. soldiers, for the media. A Reuters long-shot of Firdos Square where the statue was located (see below) shows that the Square was nearly empty when Saddam (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Saddam_Hussein) was torn down. The Square was sealed off by the U.S. military. The 200 people milling about were U.S. Marines, international press and Iraqis. However, the media portrayed it as an event of the Iraqi people.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/images/a/ab/0411square.jpg (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/File:0411square.jpg)

An American military vehicle actually pulled down the statue. Marine Corporal Ed Chin, who temporarily placed a U.S. flag over Saddam's face, became an instant media celebrity. His sister, Connie, appeared on the "Today" show and spoke with her brother via a video hook-up.

Military Admits Statue Toppling was a Psyops (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Psyops) Stunt

On Point, a US army report on lessons learned from the war, notes that it was a Marine colonel, not Iraqi civilians, who decided to topple the statue. "We moved our [tactical PSYOP team] TPT vehicle forward and started to run around seeing what they needed us to do to facilitate their mission," states a U.S. military officer involved in the operation. "There was a large media circus at this location (I guess the Palestine Hotel was a media center at the time), almost as many reporters as there were Iraqis, as the hotel was right adjacent to the Al-Firdos Square. The Marine Corps colonel in the area saw the Saddam statue as a target of opportunity and decided that the statue must come down." The pyschological team used loudspeakers to encourage Iraqi civilians to assist, packed the scene with Iraqi children, and stepped in to readjust the props when one of the soldiers draped an American flag over the statue. "God bless them, but we were thinking from PSYOP school that this was just bad news," the officer reported. "We didn't want to look like an occupation force, and some of the Iraqis were saying, 'No, we want an Iraqi flag!' So I said 'No problem, somebody get me an Iraqi flag.' " [1] (http://www.prwatch.org/node/27)

gord
6th November 2016, 16:30
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete (https://www.quora.com/Did-William-Casey-CIA-Director-really-say-Well-know-our-disinformation-program-is-complete-when-everything-the-American-public-believes-is-false) when everything the American public believes is false." -- CIA Director William Casey

ExomatrixTV
6th November 2016, 20:22
(Cr)isis Actors Exposed & NY Times reported this as 'fact' MSM complicit in False Flag Propaganda?

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~more info: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/10/30/world/middleeast/ap-ml-iraq-the-latest.html (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/10/30/world/middleeast/ap-ml-iraq-the-latest.html)

Sequoia
6th November 2016, 23:41
Here's the latest pathetically bad actor...with an intellect of a paper cup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXKFmOvLL0A&app=desktop

WhiteFeather
7th November 2016, 01:19
Yes very very extraordinary Bill. And if i may, its been awhile since my last post. Any who, Let me introduce a CNN Academy Award Winner in Mr. Gene Putz Rosen. Gene is famous for his great acting in Sandy Hook Connecticut Shool Shooting. A Real Putz if i may. What a 🌟. Give this a whirl Avies.
Lmao.


https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=9QUOiagVbmQ

Hervé
12th November 2016, 15:12
Journalist: US-Linked Organization's Support for Syrian Civilians Sheer Lie (http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950822000838)


http://media.farsnews.com/media/Uploaded/Files/Images/1395/08/22/13950822000899_Test_PhotoI.jpg

TEHRAN (FNA)- A Syrian journalist proved via release of several images of a Syrian child that the US-linked White Helmet Humanitarian Organization's claims of saving civilians in the war-hit country are mere lies.

Abbas Jom'eh released three images of a little girl that had been allegedly rescued by members of the White Helmet Organization in three different locations, disclosing the organization's lies about rescuing civilians in Syria.

In his tweeter page, the Syrian journalist placed three images form the girl that was rescued by the White Helmet's agents in different places.

"Actors in the White Helmet rescue one girl in three different places! Can't they play their role any better on this stage?" Abbas Jom'eh asked.

muxfolder
13th November 2016, 17:54
Journalist: US-Linked Organization's Support for Syrian Civilians Sheer Lie (http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950822000838)


http://media.farsnews.com/media/Uploaded/Files/Images/1395/08/22/13950822000899_Test_PhotoI.jpg

TEHRAN (FNA)- A Syrian journalist proved via release of several images of a Syrian child that the US-linked White Helmet Humanitarian Organization's claims of saving civilians in the war-hit country are mere lies.

Abbas Jom'eh released three images of a little girl that had been allegedly rescued by members of the White Helmet Organization in three different locations, disclosing the organization's lies about rescuing civilians in Syria.

In his tweeter page, the Syrian journalist placed three images form the girl that was rescued by the White Helmet's agents in different places.

"Actors in the White Helmet rescue one girl in three different places! Can't they play their role any better on this stage?" Abbas Jom'eh asked.

Wow. They didn't even bother to change her clothes! I suppose it's much more cheaper to take a lot of pictures with different actors and variations. And only one take is needed.

Cidersomerset
13th November 2016, 18:39
ABC News Busted For Staging A Crime-Scene Shot

By David on 13 November 2016 GMT Useless Media

https://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/gmafake07_11_49_am.jpg


‘An ABC News correspondent Linsey Davis was caught staging a crime-scene shot.
A woman in Woodruff, SC was allegedly held captive by a registered sex offender
locked up like an animal in a metal cage. I remember reading about this horrific
crime, wondering how anyone endures such a thing. The below is a link to the
actual story, and it is one that will horrify you.’

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http://investmentwatchblog.com/abc-news-busted-for-staging-a-crime-scene-shot/

Atlas
10th April 2017, 08:14
Wow. They didn't even bother to change her clothes!
Same clothes, same shoes.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/CznkPE4WQAA-gCP.jpg

Nick Matkin
10th April 2017, 09:47
Er... it's the same same scene. White van door open. Crumpled cycle between van and body. What point are you trying to make? That the girl was used in two completely different shots? Because she is clearly in the same place at the same time and it's just two frames from the same video.

I admit it looks too well framed to be anything other than a music video - which it is by the way!

Atlas
10th April 2017, 10:41
I admit it looks too well framed to be anything other than a music video - which it is by the way!
I thought these were two different scenes but you're right, it's the exact same scene from a music video.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1EFI1jWgAA1x5D.jpg

White Helmets faking rescue:
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Abdulhadi Kamil explains how he became a paid actor within the white helmets:
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http://m.wire.indywatch.org/archiver/www.philosophers-stone.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/C5qgHjdXMAEwVTF.jpg