US troops enter Poland - 1st deployment at Russia's doorstep

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
Here we go again! Seems like Obama is trying to establish a war legacy.
Who is the aggressor? It appears we already know...
chancy

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Article:
US troops enter Poland, 1st deployment at Russia's doorstep
The Canadian PressJanuary 12, 2017
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US troops enter Poland, 1st deployment at Russia's doorstep

WARSAW, Poland — American soldiers rolled into Poland on Thursday, fulfilling a dream some Poles have had since the fall of communism in 1989 to have U.S. troops on their soil as a deterrent against Russia.

Some people waved and held up American flags as U.S. troops in tanks and other vehicles crossed into southwestern Poland from Germany and headed toward the town of Zagan, where they will be based. Poland's prime minister and defence minister will welcome them in an official ceremony Saturday.

"This is the fulfilment of a dream," said Michal Baranowski, director of the German Marshall Fund think-tank in Warsaw. "And this is not just a symbolic presence but one with a real capability."

U.S. and other Western nations have carried out exercises on NATO's eastern flank in past years, but the new deployment — which includes some 3,500 U.S. troops — marks the first-ever continuous deployment to the region by a NATO ally.

It is part of a larger commitment by President Barack Obama to protect a region that grew deeply nervous when Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and then began backing separatist rebels in Ukraine's east.

There are fears, however, that the enhanced security could eventually be undermined by the pro-Kremlin views of President-elect Donald Trump.

Poland and the Baltic states also feel threatened by Russia's recent deployment of nuclear-capable Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad, the Russian territory wedged between Poland and Lithuania.

But Russia says it's the one who is threatened.

"These actions threaten our interests, our security," President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Thursday. "Especially as it concerns a third party building up its military presence near our borders. It's not even a European state."

Worries about the permanence of the new U.S. security commitments are rooted in a tragic national history in which Poland has often lost out in deals made by the great powers.

Poles still feel betrayed by Obama's "reset" with Russia early on in his administration, which involved abandoning plans for a major U.S. missile defence system in Poland and replacing it with plans for a less ambitious system, still not in place.

"All recent U.S. presidents have thought there can be a grand bargain with Russia," said Marcin Zaborowski, a senior associate at Visegrad Insight, an analytic journal on Central Europe. "Trump has a proclivity to make deals, and Central and Eastern Europe have reason to worry about that."

Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski expressed hope this week that any new effort at reconciliation with Russia "does not happen at our expense."

The armoured brigade combat team arriving in Poland hails from Fort Carson, Colorado. The troops arrived last week in Germany and are gathering in Poland before units will fan out across seven countries from Estonia to Bulgaria. A headquarters unit will be stationed in Germany. After nine months they will be replaced by another unit.

In a separate but related mission, NATO will also deploy four battalions to its eastern flank later this year, one each to Poland and the three Baltic states. The U.S. will also lead one of those battalions.

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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/us-troops-enter-poland-1st-134320818.html

[lucidity]

Hello Everyone:
Here we go again! Seems like Obama is trying to establish a war legacy.
Who is the aggressor? It appears we already know...
chancy

Link:



Article:
US troops enter Poland, 1st deployment at Russia's doorstep
The Canadian PressJanuary 12, 2017
View photos
US troops enter Poland, 1st deployment at Russia's doorstep

WARSAW, Poland — American soldiers rolled into Poland on Thursday, fulfilling a dream some Poles have had since the fall of communism in 1989 to have U.S. troops on their soil as a deterrent against Russia.

Some people waved and held up American flags as U.S. troops in tanks and other vehicles crossed into southwestern Poland from Germany and headed toward the town of Zagan, where they will be based. Poland's prime minister and defence minister will welcome them in an official ceremony Saturday.

"This is the fulfilment of a dream," said Michal Baranowski, director of the German Marshall Fund think-tank in Warsaw. "And this is not just a symbolic presence but one with a real capability."

U.S. and other Western nations have carried out exercises on NATO's eastern flank in past years, but the new deployment — which includes some 3,500 U.S. troops — marks the first-ever continuous deployment to the region by a NATO ally.

It is part of a larger commitment by President Barack Obama to protect a region that grew deeply nervous when Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and then began backing separatist rebels in Ukraine's east.

There are fears, however, that the enhanced security could eventually be undermined by the pro-Kremlin views of President-elect Donald Trump.

Poland and the Baltic states also feel threatened by Russia's recent deployment of nuclear-capable Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad, the Russian territory wedged between Poland and Lithuania.

But Russia says it's the one who is threatened.

"These actions threaten our interests, our security," President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Thursday. "Especially as it concerns a third party building up its military presence near our borders. It's not even a European state."

Worries about the permanence of the new U.S. security commitments are rooted in a tragic national history in which Poland has often lost out in deals made by the great powers.

Poles still feel betrayed by Obama's "reset" with Russia early on in his administration, which involved abandoning plans for a major U.S. missile defence system in Poland and replacing it with plans for a less ambitious system, still not in place.

"All recent U.S. presidents have thought there can be a grand bargain with Russia," said Marcin Zaborowski, a senior associate at Visegrad Insight, an analytic journal on Central Europe. "Trump has a proclivity to make deals, and Central and Eastern Europe have reason to worry about that."

Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski expressed hope this week that any new effort at reconciliation with Russia "does not happen at our expense."

The armoured brigade combat team arriving in Poland hails from Fort Carson, Colorado. The troops arrived last week in Germany and are gathering in Poland before units will fan out across seven countries from Estonia to Bulgaria. A headquarters unit will be stationed in Germany. After nine months they will be replaced by another unit.

In a separate but related mission, NATO will also deploy four battalions to its eastern flank later this year, one each to Poland and the three Baltic states. The U.S. will also lead one of those battalions.

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Here is the link:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/us-troops-enter-poland-1st-134320818.html


This article clearly contains propaganda bullsh!t
How likely is it .... that anyone .... anywhere...
"dreams" of having US troops on their soil ?

Even the US's closest, and most servile, allies (UK, Germany, Japan)
... have native populations that bitterly resent the presence of US troops.
The Greenham Common Protests in the UK.
The current Japanese protests over the US base a Okinawa
The last 2 years has witnessed a notable upsurge in protests in Germany
against the presence of US bases holding nuclear missiles... and protests
against US drone attacks against civilians.

The key problem, is that US military bases are apt to be 'nuke-bait' for the
Russians. If the Russians know the base holds nukes, then it's likely that
the Russians will want to disable the nukes by nuking the base. Alternatively,
if the Russians think the base _might_ be holding nukes, then it's likely that
the Russians will want to disarm the nukes by nuking the base.

(Notice, this scenario leads to a nasty poker game... because, whoever
launches their nukes first, gains a great advantage in disabling the opponent's
offensive capability)

So the presence of a US Military base in your country, means that the Russians
will want to nuke it, if hostilities escalate. (And of-course, Barry (Obama) has
been provoking the bear for the last couple of years). Do you really want to see
nukes detonated on your native soil ? Presumably not.

I strongly suspect, if someone took a reasonably sized survey, most Polish people
would be against the idea of having a US military base on their soil.

This article, is trying to tell us that the US troops are being welcomed as saviours.
The truth is probably that senior polish politicians and polish military people have
been bribed and/or coerced into going along with this crazy, aggressive US 'plot'
to intimidate or actually attack Russia.

To the best of my knowledge, the Polish people do _not_ believe that the
Russians were about to invade.... so why would it be 'dream' to have a
US military base stationed in Poland ?

[Mecklenburger]

I think it was Edgar Cayce who prophesied that the 44th President of the United States would be black, and the last US President. Obama is the 44th. In these last eight days before Trump is sworn in, if war starts, Poland being as good as anywhere to set it off, caused of course by Russia, or the President-Elect is assassinated, by the Russians, naturally: why, who would then continue indefinitely as US President?

[lucidity]

I think it was Edgar Cayce who prophesied that the 44th President of the United States would be black, and the last US President. Obama is the 44th. In these last eight days before Trump is sworn in, if war starts, Poland being as good as anywhere to set it off, caused of course by Russia, or the President-Elect is assassinated, by the Russians, naturally: why, who would then continue indefinitely as US President?

If Trump is assassinated, it wont be by the Russians (they've no interest in seeing Trump dead)
It's the cabal that wants war with Russia, and hence has a motive for killing Trump
... and they've killed US presidents before.

The vast majority of the Cayce 'mutterings' were wrong...
The Cayce material is exaggerated out of all proportion.

Barry (Obama) will NOT be the last president.
This 44th president prediction is yet another ... load of old bullshine.

If anyone would like to bet on Barry being the last president of
the USA i'll be happy to offer you 100:1 odds. Just send me a PM.

[Mercedes]

I for one do not appreciate troops on the streets of my city, domestic or foreign, troops on the streets only means loosing even more of your even lesser and lesser individual rights. Nobody gets a good sensation of seeing people in uniform in increasing numbers on ones hometown. Stop believing we even need them. And I'm so sorry for the poor soldiers that give their lives for the twisted reasons they give them.

[airaspect]

Poles are of course divided on the subject, but I'd say the majority are genuinely happy with the presence of US troops. Having Russia as neighbour, along with having history such as ours will do that. Poland has been wiped out from the map 3 times, WWII started here, and we are considered by Russia it's sphere of influence. Russian tanks left our territory just 20-25 years ago. Combined with latest aggression on Ukraine I guess You get the picture.

[Flowerpunkchip]

When was this? I'm on my phone, not in front of a computer. Which websites/news sites it say this? Thanks

[Flowerpunkchip]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38592448

This is insanity. What the **** is Obama or the industrial military complex trying to do? This is childish behaviour. My 6 year old daughter wouldn't be this stupid. Thankfully, Putin isn't stupid and nothing will happen but I'm not happy.

[Ewan]

I know a guy (UK) that currently trains redacted - sorry. I asked him what he thought of it and he just shrugged, it was all posturing as far as he was concerned. Went on to say his unit is out there now, in Poland. Previously they were in Bosnia. He himself has seen action in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Iraq. They're always on the front lines, or just behind them. But he says, "Nothing will happen, we wouldn't last five minutes anyway". That last part certainly intrigued me, if a guy at his level realises that then the generals must fully be aware of it also.

I understand Russia has an ability to mobilise battalions extremely quickly compared to NATO troops in Europe.

[GaelVictor]

I think it was Edgar Cayce who prophesied that the 44th President of the United States would be black, and the last US President. Obama is the 44th.

I think the one who made that particular prediction was a blind woman named Baba Vanga;

http://www.baba-vanga.com/category/baba-vanga-predictions/

also interesting; http://www.baba-vanga.com/2015/06/01/baba-vanga-contacts-with-extraterrestrials/

[ghostrider]

Saber rattling with Russia by the U.S. is putting innocent lives in extreme danger ... i dont want to see communities destroyed , young people killed /all th sorrows of War ... The U.S. government has lost their minds , Putin is not a person to play games with ... this is a dangerous move , the warmongers cant get enough death and destruction I guess ... dangerous times ...

[BMJ]

I know a guy (UK) that currently trains redacted - sorry. I asked him what he thought of it and he just shrugged, it was all posturing as far as he was concerned. Went on to say his unit is out there now, in Poland. Previously they were in Bosnia. He himself has seen action in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Iraq. They're always on the front lines, or just behind them. But he says, "Nothing will happen, we wouldn't last five minutes anyway". That last part certainly intrigued me, if a guy at his level realises that then the generals must fully be aware of it also.

I understand Russia has an ability to mobilise battalions extremely quickly compared to NATO troops in Europe.

Agree, look back at WW2 Russia was a unstoppable juggernaut. Fast forward to today Russia is still that juggernaut, so it would be insane for O-bumer to start a war, luckily Putin has tonnes of common sense and sees threw the stupidity. Putin has twice stated that he is not interested in war with the USA, and I am sure the the USA troops are well aware of this. Hopefully The Don will send a bill to G.Soros for this expedition.

[shaberon]

Yes, that's a pretty accurate Military assessment of what those battalions and their equipment are worth.

Politically, it was Soviets who occupied eastern Europe. Post-WWII neither side really understood what the other was capable of, so the initial stand-off was perhaps understandable. These days, that's no longer really the case.

[EFO]

Almost a week ago TargeT started such a thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95271-Obama-s-final-act.....-US-sends-special-forces-to-RUSSIAN-BORDER) and those were my replies:
1-Troops on Russian borders:
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lihd7iIpq21qelo3w.gif

2-Meanwhile on the Russian side:
http://funnycats.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/no-deposit-casino-cat-filing-nails-keep-going-i-am-listening.gif
And that's the way the cookie crumbled.

Deploying american troops on foreign soil without NATO approval is an act of unilateral aggression against an other state,but this have a triple strategy meaning:
1-What you'll read in the newspapers:"USA is still strong."
2-What you'll read in the newspapers:"USA defend democracy."
3-What you'll NOT read in the newspapers: is USA strategy to occupy territories (surrounding Russia),step by step, in the same matter as they did with native Indians.

In a case of conflict between Russia (BRICS) and USA (EU+NATO):
-the last ones don't have enough resources to sustain a long time conflict;
-the first ones will stop in Washington,arriving from fourth sides of the North American continent,because Russia will never repeat the same mistake she did in WW II,when they stopped in Berlin.

So I think that Canadians,Americans and Mexicans don't want to smell the horrors,distructions and loses of their families during a war on their soil.

IMHO WAR MUST BE AVOIDED IN ANY WAY AND WITH ANY COSTS.EVEN THE THREATS OF WAR.

[shaberon]

NATO is a defensive pact; does it actually have deployment criteria? Anything about NATO member Turkey sending its forces into Syria for example?

[EFO]

NATO is a defensive pact; does it actually have deployment criteria? Anything about NATO member Turkey sending its forces into Syria for example?

Yes,if a member state is attacked or common training exercises.

Turkey has 822 km common border with Syria and is a matter of internal politic of protecting its territory.Has nothing to do with NATO.

Romania as a NATO member can attack Ukraine,Serbia or Moldavia on the common border.According to NATO rules,Romania can not attack Bulgaria or Hungary as NATO members or any other NATO member.Does USA have a common border with Russian Federation excepting,let's say, scientific bases on POLE/S where both parts scientists cooperate very well?

Wouldn't be interesting if UN member states couldn't be able to attack each other,with or without common border/s?

[Wind]

Obama's government is clearly insane. So much for the Nobel peace prize.

[DNA]

I think it was Edgar Cayce who prophesied that the 44th President of the United States would be black, and the last US President. Obama is the 44th. In these last eight days before Trump is sworn in, if war starts, Poland being as good as anywhere to set it off, caused of course by Russia, or the President-Elect is assassinated, by the Russians, naturally: why, who would then continue indefinitely as US President?


http://prophecies-2012.blogspot.com/2011/02/baba-vanga-prophesied-44th-us-president.html



Baba Vanga- The Bulgarian Prophetess
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dQxUXcaqPa8/TVUhpnbGa3I/AAAAAAAACWA/y0C636EII8s/s400/121.JPG (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dQxUXcaqPa8/TVUhpnbGa3I/AAAAAAAACWA/y0C636EII8s/s1600/121.JPG)
Baba Vanga prophesied: 44th US president would be black and bring crises

According to research Vanga's prophecies are about eighty percent accurate." She was blessed with supernatural abilities for accurate psychic predictions of the future. Here are some predictions she made:

Vanga predicted the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States, when she said that American brothers would fall under attacks of birds of steel. Vanga prophesied the perestroika in the USSR, the death of Princess Diana and thousands of happenings in people's personal life.

She became very popular in Russia since her prophesy about Kursk became true. Vanga prophesied the sinking of the Kursk submarine, "At the turn of the century, in August of 1999 or 2000, Kursk will be covered with water, and the whole world will be weeping over it." (1980) And in August 2000 the kursk submarine sank in an accident everyone on board died.
“Black President election will destroy USA”

Baba Vanga prophesied even that the 44th US president would be black and he would be “the last one.” She went on, saying that at the time of his stepping into office, there would be a spectacular economic crisis. Everyone will put their hopes in him to end it, but the opposite will happen; he will bring the country down and conflicts between north and south states will escalate. Many articles were written about that:


“Vanga predicted a black man to become the 44th U.S. President (after George Bush), and this President will be the last one because America will freeze up or go down in the economics. It probably can divide into the North and South states,” DobryachOk writes.
“Vanga’s prediction sounds like this: when a black President is elected problems come to the U.S.,” an anonymous author says.
“Vanga predicted African American President could lead the U.S. to a miracle and the whole world would win,” nusha states.
“Vanga predicted America would have the crisis and here you are!”
Vanga mentioned the possibility for the situation to escalate to a third world war in which the nuclear bomb would be used again. Yet, she predicts also a bright responsibilities for the future, "After 2000 there will be no flood, instead we will see peace and prosperity", Vanga said. But humanity must recognize and accept the guidance of this Messianic personality.
Baba Vanga gives few clues which will help us recognize this "Peacemaker" who in her words "will sign the lasting peace". She clearly predicts "a new religion will take the earth by the storm." Nostradamus also depicts the Messianic figure, born in the East and bringing the lasting peace, as a new religious founder coming under the name "Moon".





The vast majority of the Cayce 'mutterings' were wrong...
The Cayce material is exaggerated out of all proportion. ... load of old bullshine


This is pretty funny. Cayce is one of the most respected psychics of all time. Sure not all of his prophecys have come true, but give it time my friend. You discount things harshly and completely, you may want to keep more of an open mind. Just saying

[lucidity]

NATO is a defensive pact; does it actually have deployment criteria? Anything about NATO member Turkey sending its forces into Syria for example?

Nato's an irrelevance.
The USA is a NATO member.
The USA has started wars with 6 countries in the last 15 years.
Did NATO pass resolutions condemning the wars ? It tried, but USA vetoed them.
Forget NATO, it's a toothless dog.... that doesn't actually bark that much.

[shaberon]

NATO is a defensive pact; does it actually have deployment criteria? Anything about NATO member Turkey sending its forces into Syria for example?

Yes,if a member state is attacked or common training exercises.

Turkey has 822 km common border with Syria and is a matter of internal politic of protecting its territory.Has nothing to do with NATO.


Wouldn't be interesting if UN member states couldn't be able to attack each other,with or without common border/s?

So the Poland and Baltic stuff--isn't that training exercises?

With Turkey, they certainly are doing a lot cross-border to protect their territory. If Syria was doing it to them, then yes, that would trigger NATO protection defensively, so they sound fairly well protected.

The forward actions ought to have a U. N. mandate; Syria is a member of the U. N. Not that many of their approved mandates are a good thing.

Almost all modern U. S. conflicts were actions by the office of the President, not wars, some of which eventually gain Congressional or U. N. approval.

[EFO]

@shaberon


So the Poland and Baltic stuff--isn't that training exercises?

To start a war/invade Russia,USA need a LOT of armies,due to at least long stretched supply lines.Moving a handful of soldiers on Russian borders,could be considered by Russians or others some training exercises.:)


With Turkey, they certainly are doing a lot cross-border to protect their territory. If Syria was doing it to them, then yes, that would trigger NATO protection defensively, so they sound fairly well protected.

The war in Syria is a multinational "contest" with many,many victims and interesting "interests".


The forward actions ought to have a U. N. mandate; Syria is a member of the U. N. Not that many of their approved mandates are a good thing.

As far as I know,U. N. is located in New York.Let's relocate it in Sankt Petersburg for example and let's see how the "other guys" handle this "organization".


modern U. S. conflicts were actions by the office of the President

This is how these days are called wars in which humans (soldiers and civilians are killed)? :facepalm: Fancy words for a stupid thing.

Peace is good.War is bad.

[Cidersomerset]

The timing is odd a week before Trump is sworn in ,trying to box him in a corner
with Russia as they have been doing for the past few weeks......

Or if as planned and expected Hillary had won this 'exercise' in force would
have been used to enforce the agenda of more and more pressure on Putin.
This operation would have been planned months ago.

As it is this is just sabre rattling and a show of force for the Baltic states and
Poland at this stage....

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‘Preparation for war, not defense against Russia’ – German peace activist on NATO op in Europe

-8GYbM4ewck

Published on 13 Jan 2017

Over 3-thousand American soldiers and hundreds of military vehicles have started
arriving in Poland for NATO war games The exercises, part of Operation Atlantic
Resolve, are the largest in Europe in decades. Reiner Braun, a representative for
Germany's peace movement, says it's not Russia but NATO countries that have
been pursuing an aggressive policy for years.

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Russia calls NATO deployment in Poland threat to national security

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Published on 12 Jan 2017
Moscow has blasted NATO's pre-positioning of US military hardware in Poland,
saying it is a threat to Russian national security, and an agressive step.

[Gillian]

I am not convinced that this is a good idea.

[joeecho]

War games? More like mind games.


Millions of mind guerrillas
Putting their soul power to the karmic wheel
Keep on playing those mind games forever

[EFO]

In case of war,the world will never be the same.

But we don't need war to change.We just simply learn,step by step,to SEE.And we have the whole time in the world for that.

http://t.wallpaperweb.org/wallpaper/3d_landscape/1440x900/2008030817359127_1.jpg

[shaberon]

This is how these days are called wars in which humans (soldiers and civilians are killed)? :facepalm: Fancy words for a stupid thing.


I don't know all the details off the top of my head, but if we look, I believe that we would find that war has certain laws, protections, responsibilities, and things like that. A presidential action does not. So it's more than just a choice of words, it's a completely different ability.

[EFO]

This is how these days are called wars in which humans (soldiers and civilians are killed)? :facepalm: Fancy words for a stupid thing.


I don't know all the details off the top of my head, but if we look, I believe that we would find that war has certain laws, protections, responsibilities, and things like that. A presidential action does not. So it's more than just a choice of words, it's a completely different ability.

Just a thought :) It's hard to play big balls :) Available all over the world.
https://thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/thought31.jpg