Life after death? [Archive] - The Project Avalon Community Forum

myriaddimension

29th April 2017, 17:31

Hi,

As some of you know (I posted awhile back) my cousin passed away a few months ago at the age of 37. It was a sudden passing! Neither her and nor any of us were prepared for it. I feel like there was no closure whatsoever. I doubt she got closure either since she left behind a 3 year old and not in any of our wildest dream we thought she would just die within 5 days.

Every since then, I have been wondering if there is anything after death or is this it for all of us? I really want to believe that I will reconcile with my cousin in a different form. Also, I just wanted to believe she is in peace. I guess I am still going through different stages of grief.

I just wanted to ask people who have suffered any loss, 1) how do you reconcile with this loss? Or can you at all? Someday(this is collectively as a family) I feel like the grief is too overwhelming, it is beyond any pain i have experienced 2) Have you had any contact with your loved ones after they passed away? I really want to believe she is just in a different dimension and her soul/consciousness has evolved for a new journey.

I console myself with the thought that her life with us was for 37 years and she has moved on so she can continue her journey as an eternal soul.

Noelle

29th April 2017, 19:38

Do we have undeniable "scientific" proof? I don't think so. Do we have non-scientific evidence? I believe we have an abundance of this, in the form of your fellow humans' subjective experiences -- near death experiences, out of body experiences, the work of some mediums. I would suggest that you watch The Path (http://www.path11productions.com/the-films/) series. One of the films in this documentary trilogy is about the afterlife. You can buy or rent them on Amazon and other places. There are a lot of good resources out there to help you learn more. I'm sure you will get more advice from other Avalon members.

AutumnW

29th April 2017, 20:20

Myriad,

Google 'Pam Reynolds'. This will make you feel better! My husband died suddenly about 3 years ago. He told me that he would try to let me know by switching lights off and on that he was still alive, just body dead. Unfortunately I was away at the moment of his death. I arrived back home probably 3 or 4 hours after he passed. In the interim the lights went out, I heard. I mean all the lights everywhere in our little town, until just after they took his body away.

I haven't really grieved his death because to me he is not gone. And I don't feel, at this age, that not having a body is a bad thing, more a blessing!

amor

29th April 2017, 20:54

I have reported at Avalon quite a few "after death experiences" which I have had connected with the death of my parents. However, I don't think I reported this. After my mother died in the hospital I had what was closer to a vision tied in with a dream. First, let me explain that we talked about slitting her wrists after death as she did not wish to awaken in her coffin. Since I paid the mortuary to keep her on ice for nearly six days and she was physically very dead, this worry was not a possibility of happening. However, I saw clearly, that my mother's spirit was visited by an attractive young woman (who mentioned sarcastically about slitting my mother's wrists)while an image of my mother's spirit quickly arose from the hospital bed and walked away from it.

I must take this opportunity to tell all that she died at 2:30 am. I was in the mortuary to view her body at 9:00 am. I swear to heaven that I saw her right bottom lip quiver and watched attentively but it did not happen again. Not long ago I read that the human may be resuscitated many hours after seeming death, as in Jesus raising Lazarus' daughter after she had died. The spirit hoovers over the body and is an electrical system which may be restarted and re-enter the body by advanced technology. The pathologist did something to my mother's body, which is another dream(?) experience, she forced me to physically experience, as she had apparently FELT what he did to her. Death is not cut and dried as ignorant medicine would have us believe; but since they want us all dead in a hurry, they are not about to enlighten any of us. My mother and I communicate and she has been dead since the end of 2009. In one experience, I had a dream that I was trying to visit my mother; however, she was deeply asleep in a hospital-type bed. A very stern looking old woman dressed as Pennsylvania Dutch but in red, white and black, chased me away. I have read that the dead need care and recovery after this life and are made to rest.

ghostrider

30th April 2017, 01:35

Only the body dies, the spirit is eternal, it will return in 152 years and 21days... that is the normal time between incarnations ... due to overpopulation, the time could be sooner, 10 or 20 or 30 years, spirit forms never die they are a tiny part of Creation ... death is the only way to truly understand what it means to love ... it's important to try and do good, live rightly, be kind, for everything can be gone in an instant... we take life on our little blue world for granted ... sorry for your loss ... you will learn to overcome pain ... the only way to the mountain top is through the valley...

zen deik

30th April 2017, 02:03

Time heals all wounds..... The memories remain and the pain fades.... Be gentle and patient with yourself.... Sorry for your loss...

Bill Ryan

30th April 2017, 03:05

TraineeHuman

30th April 2017, 03:23

My mother was one of the most clairvoyant and telepathic individuals I ever met. She could always, when she wished, see a detailed "movie" in her mind's eye of whatever I had been doing at whatever time she chose. (She thought that was normal. No doubt her mother and siblings had also been very clairvoyant.) That made it hard for me to get away with anything as a kid or adolescent, or even as a youngish adult living away from home.

In spite of her psychic abilities, she firmly believed that physical death was the end. That was in spite of the fact that she had the most vivid memory of her own mother having come "a very long way" to visit and chat some years after the mother's death. I could never work out how my mother could live with that particular contradiction, but she did.

Around six months before she died, she started visiting me every night telepathically, rudely interrupting whatever I was doing and whoever I was communicating with (usually out-of-body) and demanding help (energetic healing) for the fear and depression she was feeling because she knew her death was getting nearer.

The night she died, I got so energized, no doubt by her, that I didn't feel tired in the least and didn't go to bed until 4:55 a.m. As soon as I'd fallen asleep, two minutes later, I found myself having to wrestle with her energetically (I certainly felt it, like wrestling with a physical body) because I knew she was trying to take over my body and "walk in" to it. The wrestle lasted a little over 5 minutes, but I had more power or energy and she withdrew. It wasn't that she lacked strong feelings of affection for me, but she really believed that death was the end, so better my death than hers, she must have decided. Her time of death was officially recorded as 5:02 a.m.

For the next two weeks, she felt terrified, because she was waiting to get rubbed out. That was an unusual experience for me, because in the past I had had many individuals (whom I usually didn't know) visit me the day after their death, and the majority of them were very joyful indeed, celebrating the fact that they were now in a world where there was no gravity, among other newfound freedoms and abilities. But what my mother did was to cling to my consciousness twenty-four hours a day. She still had a sharp tongue as she had had while physically alive, and she "commented" constantly about every detail of my everyday life.

It took me over two weeks to find a way to get her to separate from me and go her own way (with assistance from guardian angels and healing angels). It was a useful challenge for me to find a way to "unglue" her consciousness from off my "back", so to speak. (Everyone has a "hitchhiker", which is a personality (an electromegnetic field made of thoughts and emotions) that nearly always lives in the center of "their" personality in this current life. Usually it seems to be a personality the indiv idual had in one of their past lives, or else the personality of a close friend or romantic partner who died young. Learning how to separate somewhat from my mother in that situation gave me some skills for dealing with my own "hitchhiker" -- and such skills are of necessity "advanced" ones.)

A little over a week later she briefly returned and ever so affectionately and gratefully shouted my name, plus she let me know telepathically that she was now totally fine and content. Nearly four weeks later I was overseas, for the first time visiting my cousins overseas. These cousins were the children of my late mother's favorite late sister. I was sitting on my own in the living room, going through photo albums (also because my father had been a photographer) and my mother's many letters to her sister. About ten different times I kept physically hearing a woman's voice calling my name quite distinctly. The first few times I assumed it was my cousin calling me from the kitchen some way away, but it became clear it wasn't her. Eventually it occurred to me that what I experience as physical sounds are coming from the brain, so all my mother had to do was to psychically put those sounds in my brain the right way. She also sent me images -- mental pictures of her sister, and of places she wanted me to see in the city she had known as a child. She occasionally still drops by to see how I'm doing, but her visits are very brief and she obviously now has plenty of other interests to occupy her.

Helene West

30th April 2017, 04:15

One of the most comforting things I occasionally do for myself is go to YouTube and type in 'near death experiences'.

You will hear experiences from people who were actually either pronounced dead and came back, those revived from emergency or accident situations, those in traumatic situations that recovered, etc. The individuals are both genders, various ages and races and beliefs from very religious to atheists. They experience similar aspects with the common element being the feeling of inexpressible love. There is usually a guide and many meet their parents or other relatives who have gone before them. Many don't want to return to earth including some who would leave small children behind but are told it's not their time yet and they must go back to earth. I don't want to tell you all the elements of these experiencers as you may want to treat yourself and give a try. You deserve the comfort of hearing these stories. The majority come back convinced they are loved and so are those that went before them and that they have no fear dying nor do they mourn those that they've lost cause they know how loved they are and what they are experiencing. Give them a try when you have a moment.

Flash

30th April 2017, 04:45

Yes, I saw my dad a few times after his death. When he died, I was the one present. All along, the few days before, I knew I would be the one there when he would die. But we, the family, were constantly changing the schedule of our presence with him and I wondered for a while how it would happen, me being there with him for his passing away. But it happen, about 10 minutes after my brother had finished his shift with him.

Then about a month later, I dreamed that I was with him, in a desert like landscape, driving his white car he had when I was about 5 years old. He brought me to a place where there were tubes regrouped and hanging from the sky - related to some kind of science...

Then about another month later, he came to me and told me "I was very drugged when I died, and did not realised I had passed away, I did not see my death, can you tell me how I died" which I did, by showing in a very fast slide show all the seconds of his death. After, he told me "did I scare you" to which I answered not at all. You see, my dad was physically quite built and strong, and had always been afraid to scare us in any ways - he liked playing with us but would not want to scare us. This question was soooo much like him.

Then about another 3 months later, I saw him sitting in a chair, both arms on the armrests, in my living room I was sooooo happy to see him, completely excited and happy. And then, all of a sudden, a huge wave of love filled me completely, coming from him. It was literally as if every single cell of my body had been dipped in a bath of love. Truly overwhelming. It did change my perception of things and finally my way of living.

Then years later, as his image faded away, as it does after years, one thing always remained: the feeling of love we shared.

I understood that love is what sustains this universe, love is what we are composed of, and love is what remains when everything else has changed. Love is the fundamental vibration, energy, of ourselves and this universe. We just forget it at times.

Hi,

As some of you know (I posted awhile back) my cousin passed away a few months ago at the age of 37. It was a sudden passing! Neither her and nor any of us were prepared for it. I feel like there was no closure whatsoever. I doubt she got closure either since she left behind a 3 year old and not in any of our wildest dream we thought she would just die within 5 days.

Every since then, I have been wondering if there is anything after death or is this it for all of us? I really want to believe that I will reconcile with my cousin in a different form. Also, I just wanted to believe she is in peace. I guess I am still going through different stages of grief.

I just wanted to ask people who have suffered any loss, 1) how do you reconcile with this loss? Or can you at all? Someday(this is collectively as a family) I feel like the grief is too overwhelming, it is beyond any pain i have experienced 2) Have you had any contact with your loved ones after they passed away? I really want to believe she is just in a different dimension and her soul/consciousness has evolved for a new journey.

I console myself with the thought that her life with us was for 37 years and she has moved on so she can continue her journey as an eternal soul.

7alon

30th April 2017, 10:29

We're all eternal souls that reincarnate (all over the universe, if we choose!) — 100% for sure. I and countless others, including many here on Avalon, have vivid past life recalls that stand the test of any kind of processing.

And, we all meet one another again, for better or for worse, somewhere, sometime. Souls who knew each other, whether family, friends, lovers or enemies, always find a way to get together again. That's one of the ways the karmic wheels keep turning.

I'm glad you believe that Bill, because when I told you and several others that I believe I have met you 'before', I felt silly but certain. Only silly because it was such a new experience for me to remember. Still working on it. :happythumbsup:

I know of two lives I've had, one as a warrior in fuedel japan by the name of Taro. I was a swordsman I believe. I remember teaching students as well as being in the military camps with tents everywhere. The other was off world in the Andromeda system. It was dark a lot, but so beautiful. Building structures were in synergy with the environment, and there are these weird trees that grow with curves. I don't know how to explain it very well, but maybe I'll remember more some day. There are some details I don't wish to share honestly.

Justplain

30th April 2017, 17:50

After my father passed i remembered my regret for the things i had done that had upset him. Although i had already gone through the regret stage earlier in life, i still revisited it unintentionally because it brought me closer in touch with how much i loved him. A good parent can touch a child much deeper than anyone.

I saw my father in a dream after he had passed, atleast a year later, i believe. He sat in a yogic crosslegged position and said that death is just the beginning.

My aunt was in her kitchen when her mother passed away. Something caught her attention. She looked up to see a vision of my smiling grandmother as a young woman. My aunt felt great love and cried 'Mommy!' Then grandma went on her way.

Life goes on. We are part of a wonderful flow of existence and essence. Peace be with you.

Bill Ryan

30th April 2017, 18:41

I'm glad you believe that Bill

It's not belief, it's knowledge.

(I don't believe I went for a hike with my dog yesterday, I know I did. :) )

araucaria

30th April 2017, 19:10

I'm glad you believe that Bill

It's not belief, it's knowledge.

(I don't believe I went for a hike with my dog yesterday, I know I did. :) )
But where does the Mandela effect kick in, I wonder? :confused: ;)

Spellbound

30th April 2017, 19:43

Spellbound

30th April 2017, 19:46

Human souls can reincarnate all over the universe?? We are not limited to earth?? That's an interesting concept.

Dave - Toronto

Justplain

30th April 2017, 20:02

Human souls can reincarnate all over the universe?? We are not limited to earth?? That's an interesting concept.

Dave - Toronto

Dr. Michael Newton's books 'Journey of Souls' and 'Destiny of Souls' indicate that for the most part our souls stick with the world they are on except under special circumstances, such as an extinction level event on the planet or a special need for the individual. Souls appear to progress in groups, sort of like a soul family, so its easy to see why this is so.

Also, Dr. Newton's books indicate there is an elaborate between incarnation system in the spirit world of rejuvination and education. Very interesting stuff.

Also, there doesnt appear to necessarily be a long length of time, in earth years, between incarnations. A past life reading done for me indicated i incarnated three years after my previous life, which had ended tragically. Newton's research indicated that if someone's life ends abruptly the spirit guides may try to persuade the soul to reincarnate more quickly than usual to complete unfinished spiritual development.

ghostrider

30th April 2017, 23:21

Human souls can reincarnate all over the universe?? We are not limited to earth?? That's an interesting concept.

Dave - Toronto

The Plejaren say the spirit is tied to the planet the body dies on, if the planet is destroyed or cannot support life, the spirit will seek the nearest life zone of planets... their words, I cant prove them, it's just information for what it's worth ... earth gained alien spirit forms when Malona was destroyed, and the atmosphere of Mars collapsed... its why a portion of people here feel like they don't belong here, cause they don't, their world was destroyed...

Bill Ryan

30th April 2017, 23:32

zen deik

1st May 2017, 01:21

Sound like Carl Jung there...... Bill...☺

7alon

1st May 2017, 05:00

I'm glad you believe that Bill

It's not belief, it's knowledge.

(I don't believe I went for a hike with my dog yesterday, I know I did. :) )

I'm glad you have that clarity. However, I am going through a phase where I don't know what is real these days. I swear black and blue about things, only to be told I am mistaken by others. :facepalm:

I experience things that others do not, so how do I know whether I am sane or not? I mean, I function normally and nobody seems to think I am crazy.. I have been told by psychics, friends and acquaintances alike to stop being so hard on myself and to believe in myself more, but the universe is a very confusing and vast place.

I do know one thing, whenever I 'remember' things, I often feel overwhelmingly emotional. I hope this isn't off topic. If it is, I do apologise.

etheric underground

1st May 2017, 20:53

Science will tell you that energy cannot be destroyed. We are Light sound and sacred geometrical energy encapsulated with universal spark...
I agree with Bill and know I have been elsewhere and we have the ability to bypass the 4th dimension karma trap and experience all possibility out there.

Jake

2nd May 2017, 19:17

Human souls can reincarnate all over the universe?? We are not limited to earth?? That's an interesting concept.

Dave - Toronto

I am biased.. ☺ and I know that a soul is not human.. a BODY can be human. A soul/essence is Forever... Perhaps the human gnome is 200thousand years old,,, that would make each and every one of us only RECENTLY human... lol...

I've been out of my body enough to realize that I'm Not Really In It... For me to say that I am human is not the whole truth... same for everyone, I would suppose. I have a memory where I my body is not,, AHEM,, Human... I was still ME... ☺☺☺

For what it's worth...
Jake

Leonard

19th January 2018, 09:04

findingneo

19th January 2018, 14:41

So sorry for your loss myriaddimension. I have no doubt at all that ours souls that carry the essence of who we are carries on, I remember too many past lives not to. Many, if not all of those lives have had influences that carried over to my current life. I also do past life regressions and even among folk who do not believe in anything after this life, still have vivid and detailed memories of past lives.

You will see your cousin again. Maybe she will be your sister in your next life, maybe you will be her father. You get to try many combinations of scenarios and relationships. Her wee child will see her again too, eventually. We tend to incarnate down here in soul groups, seeing the same individuals turning up again and again, lifetime after lifetime.

It is important that you all fill the gap that your cousin left for her 3 year old. I lost my father when I was 18 months, my mother when I was 6, and 4 grandparents (2 of which looked after me after my parents died) all by the time I was 10.

The theme which I always see in folk who for a short while can remember the between lives phase, always say that they are in a beautiful place, or a place where there is no more pain. Their hearts are light, they feel joy. I recall one when the husband left too early and he stayed to see his kids grow up. He left when they were self supportive and he knew they would be fine. In our time it was about 10 years that he stayed around them, in his time it felt like weeks or months. That was during a regression.

onevoice

21st January 2018, 03:58

In the late 90's, I went to a psychic who specialized in past life regression. I wanted to know whether my current wife and I shared a past life together. The psychic started regressing me from the most recent past life towards the potential past life I may have shared with my wife. When I got to the past life which was shared with my wife, I recalled the relevant part of the past life vividly. The scene was in my private office filled with walls of books. As I was reliving the moment, I cried deeply, as I was experiencing losing my wife in that life time. I had lost her due to over-focusing on my career as a lawyer in England and neglecting her far too often. I had just bought her a flower in her favorite color, fuchsia, which was sitting on a table in my office.

Now, my wife and I have met and married during this life and we are very happy together. Guess what her favorite color is in this life? Of course it's fuchsia. I have not made the same mistake again of over-focusing on my career and neglecting her. She was born in Taiwan, I was born in S. Korea. What are the chances that two soul mates were born in other countries to immigrate to this country, meet and marry? We did, and I'm so fortunate that we were able to meet again during this life. So without a doubt for me, there certainly is life after death. We have many past life memories that are buried, which can be recalled.

Joe from the Carolinas

21st January 2018, 05:01

I just wanted to ask people who have suffered any loss, 1) how do you reconcile with this loss? Or can you at all? Someday(this is collectively as a family) I feel like the grief is too overwhelming, it is beyond any pain i have experienced 2) Have you had any contact with your loved ones after they passed away? I really want to believe she is just in a different dimension and her soul/consciousness has evolved for a new journey.

I console myself with the thought that her life with us was for 37 years and she has moved on so she can continue her journey as an eternal soul.

I’ve disagreed with Kubler-Ross on acceptance. There’s no sense for me in accepting someone’s death, because in my simple view accepting something means I’m okay with it. And I’m not.. I like people and I don’t agree with them not being around anymore. To be fair, kubler-ross’ stages of grief have been bastardized severely. Some people don’t ever hit all of the stages, and some vacillate back and forth between them as time moves forward.

How do I reconcile with loss? It sucks, it’s traumatic, and.... it is. And I can’t do a darned thing about it. Am I gonna let the fact that the person’s physical body is no longer pleasant to see, or animated, control my thoughts and emotions? I don’t accept it but I’ve gotta keep moving.

Grief is kind of like a backpack when I’m hiking. It’s heavy at first, uncomfortable, and as rough as the trail may be, I get used to it.

I don’t believe in physical life after death (wouldn’t that be a horror, being stuck inside a broken body for eternity), but I do believe that energy cannot be destroyed. So the soul’s energy moves forward and keeps on moving... where the soul moves is anyone’s guess... maybe it’s an issue of subjective experience for the person that’s left their body. Maybe we go where we want.

I have had contact with people after they died. Usually in dreams, sometimes in the form of coincidences.... mostly though, through stories told by the people that were close to them. All of them have been quite valid and real to me. I’ve found the most helpful thing for me in dealing with loss is speaking out loud what I need, and how I feel.

Foxie Loxie

21st January 2018, 14:56

Good summary, Joe! You are correct, we just have to accept what IS, as there is nothing we can do about how the circumstances played out. I have only been a member here for a little over two years, but from what I have gleaned so far, it is that we are primarily a Sovereign, Eternal Being. That means we "existed" before we took on this human body & that when we "die", we simply go on to another "assignment".(That's the way I like to see it!) That's how I saw my husband's transition two years ago in Oct.

I like the way Tom Campbell puts it. He calls Earth "an entrophy reduction trainer for souls." Put differently, as part of Infinite Source, we come here to experience, learn & develop the REAL "me".

One could say there IS no death! It is quite liberating to see things in that light, even though I realize each person has to come to come to his or her own conclusions on how to "accept" the passing of a Loved One. It helps to realize that this is not the True Reality....that is where we came from & to where we will return. :flower:

Shadowself

21st January 2018, 15:10

Good Morning,

Imaging my surprise to see this thread. You see some of you may or may not know, but I'm going to die in a relatively short time. When I say that I mean I may die tomorrow, or in the next two or three years as my body is riddles with tumors that are the most aggressive type of cancer known. I also just suffered a heart attack which could take me at any time. So my mortality is imminent. But here's the thing...so is yours. In the blink of an eye you can be gone. This is why you should live every day as though it was the last. Love harder, seek that which moves your soul to keep this life alive. Life here is a gift. I say this because even through the hardest of times and sorrow you are alive and have that spark that is so fleeting.

When you look back and say why was life so hard and miserable just know that time is a tricky thing here. What seems like the 64 years I've lived so far seem like forever...just know it really is in the blink of an eye. Time is not what we think it is. For us it's the revolution of a day on this planet added up to 12 months then as in my case added up to 64 years. That is a gift and how you choose to live it given any circumstance is but relative.

I don't simply think or believe that there is life after death....I KNOW there is. But it's not the life that you may know here. It's also personal. When I hear the phrase 'we are all one'...well that is true in the sense that we are of the same energy and soul substance. But we are as individual as snowflakes. We are as infinite as the universe and have forever to experience anything we choose. So if we choose to spend an eternity in a self created hell than that is what will be until you personally decided that was not enough.

When I say I KNOW there is life after death I know because I remember my past lives. Now one could say that is subjective. But how can I remember things that are historically true of things I have no conscious knowledge of? I've remembered historical events that I had no idea existed but later found out were true and correct. Things I've never come across in any sense other then the memory I recalled in those lives and later discovered were in fact absolutely true and documented. Documented facts that there is no way I could know unless I saw it in a history book or documentary which I never did. To say I was floored is an understatement. I knew after a series of discoveries that this past life I thought may be subjective was in fact a life I lived in the past. No question about it. I won't go into detail but understand when that came to my realization I knew there was not only life after death it could be renewed if you so choose. This is a choice...and it's your choice.

So however you live your life understand this. Life is a gift and you've for some reason chosen it and if it does not work out like you had hoped just know you can choose to do it again or not. But I urge you not to simply believe a word I've written here as this is an irrelevant point. It's up to you and you alone to seek the answers to your questions of life after death or even the reasons why. In 2012 I lost my son all to quickly for which I suffered and still do...that never goes away even with time. And there you have it....time. I heard someone say that time heals all wounds and grief. I'm counting on the relevancy of time and life after death to resolve that question in my personal grief. I leave you with a poem my son wrote in college for one of his classes...We are free to search and believe and wonder about this life and death we all experience.

Blessing and keep searching.

Free

For life rejoices; this gift behold
What lies ahead, remains to be told
Progressing continuously, as our lives do unfold
Reveling more about the how and what and why

Neither accept nor so deny
For inherent is the urge to try
To finally conclude the question of why
Instead, question each answer that you have derived
Question them all till the day that you die

How did life commence and evolve?
The meaning of life demanded there in
Searching on, further, for purpose within
There is no real answer; no absolution
For life emerged from and remains to be a question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95hS6QgHGU

Hope Springs Eternal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2LH1FTOR4E

petra

21st January 2018, 16:30

That's beautiful Shadowself. That's just inspiring.

If I may, here's one of my father's favorites. He is gone now, but not far... :)

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Death Is Nothing At All - Poem by Henry Scott Holland

Death is nothing at all.
I have only slipped away to the next room.
I am I and you are you.
Whatever we were to each other,
That, we still are.

Call me by my old familiar name.
Speak to me in the easy way
which you always used.
Put no difference into your tone.
Wear no forced air of solemnity or sorrow.

Laugh as we always laughed
at the little jokes we enjoyed together.
Play, smile, think of me. Pray for me.
Let my name be ever the household word
that it always was.
Let it be spoken without effect.
Without the trace of a shadow on it.

Life means all that it ever meant.
It is the same that it ever was.
There is absolute unbroken continuity.
Why should I be out of mind
because I am out of sight?

I am but waiting for you.
For an interval.
Somewhere. Very near.
Just around the corner.

All is well.

Nothing is past; nothing is lost. One brief moment and all will be as it was before only better, infinitely happier and forever we will all be one together with Christ.

- Henry Scott Holland

Foxie Loxie

21st January 2018, 17:23

Thank you, Shadowself, for what you wrote! :heart: What an amazing place this Forum is that we can speak to each other in this special way! You will remain in our hearts even after you decide the time is right to "move on"! You have touched our lives in an amazing way because of the Special Person that you are!! :grouphug:

Thank you for sharing with us the poem your son wrote! Sounds like he had a lot of YOU in him! Wish you could feel the hug I'm sending you! :bearhug: You have graced our lives & we Thank You! :heart:

Dear Petra....Thank you for the lovely poem you shared with us, as well! :bearhug:

sandy

22nd January 2018, 04:20

Sounds like your pretty special too Foxie Loxie.......thank you everyone :heart::grouphug:

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Good Morning,

Imaging my surprise to see this thread. You see some of you may or may not know, but I'm going to die in a relatively short time. When I say that I mean I may die tomorrow, or in the next two or three years as my body is riddles with tumors that are the most aggressive type of cancer known. I also just suffered a heart attack which could take me at any time. So my mortality is imminent. But here's the thing...so is yours. In the blink of an eye you can be gone. This is why you should live every day as though it was the last. Love harder, seek that which moves your soul to keep this life alive. Life here is a gift. I say this because even through the hardest of times and sorrow you are alive and have that spark that is so fleeting.

When you look back and say why was life so hard and miserable just know that time is a tricky thing here. What seems like the 64 years I've lived so far seem like forever...just know it really is in the blink of an eye. Time is not what we think it is. For us it's the revolution of a day on this planet added up to 12 months then as in my case added up to 64 years. That is a gift and how you choose to live it given any circumstance is but relative.

I don't simply think or believe that there is life after death....I KNOW there is. But it's not the life that you may know here. It's also personal. When I hear the phrase 'we are all one'...well that is true in the sense that we are of the same energy and soul substance. But we are as individual as snowflakes. We are as infinite as the universe and have forever to experience anything we choose. So if we choose to spend an eternity in a self created hell than that is what will be until you personally decided that was not enough.

When I say I KNOW there is life after death I know because I remember my past lives. Now one could say that is subjective. But how can I remember things that are historically true of things I have no conscious knowledge of? I've remembered historical events that I had no idea existed but later found out were true and correct. Things I've never come across in any sense other then the memory I recalled in those lives and later discovered were in fact absolutely true and documented. Documented facts that there is no way I could know unless I saw it in a history book or documentary which I never did. To say I was floored is an understatement. I knew after a series of discoveries that this past life I thought may be subjective was in fact a life I lived in the past. No question about it. I won't go into detail but understand when that came to my realization I knew there was not only life after death it could be renewed if you so choose. This is a choice...and it's your choice.

So however you live your life understand this. Life is a gift and you've for some reason chosen it and if it does not work out like you had hoped just know you can choose to do it again or not. But I urge you not to simply believe a word I've written here as this is an irrelevant point. It's up to you and you alone to seek the answers to your questions of life after death or even the reasons why. In 2012 I lost my son all to quickly for which I suffered and still do...that never goes away even with time. And there you have it....time. I heard someone say that time heals all wounds and grief. I'm counting on the relevancy of time and life after death to resolve that question in my personal grief. I leave you with a poem my son wrote in college for one of his classes...We are free to search and believe and wonder about this life and death we all experience.

Blessing and keep searching.

Free

For life rejoices; this gift behold
What lies ahead, remains to be told
Progressing continuously, as our lives do unfold
Reveling more about the how and what and why

Neither accept nor so deny
For inherent is the urge to try
To finally conclude the question of why
Instead, question each answer that you have derived
Question them all till the day that you die

How did life commence and evolve?
The meaning of life demanded there in
Searching on, further, for purpose within
There is no real answer; no absolution
For life emerged from and remains to be a question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95hS6QgHGU

Hope Springs Eternal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2LH1FTOR4E

Got no words just feelings, Shadowself.............:bearhug:

Rich

22nd January 2018, 17:49

There’s no sense for me in accepting someone’s death, because in my simple view accepting something means I’m okay with it.

Indeed, loss can never be accepted, it is not possible to accept the negative, but perhaps it is meant in a way that loss is not real ultimately.
So the acceptance would come from this understanding, as ACIM teaches loss is not real.

petra

22nd January 2018, 18:08

That accepting part is tricky! I've had to accept things I am not okay with, simply because it's truth.

Those words "not real" I don't think are helpful because it leads to the "well what's the point then?" train of thought. I imagine it's worded differently in ACIM itself. I think it'd be more apt to say "loss is an illusion" as opposed to loss is not real.

Ewan

22nd January 2018, 18:58

I was questioning 'death' when I was still a kid, really young. I'm sure my parents found me quite weird, but I realised a long time ago that everything dies - everything that we consider alive. When I learnt that planets and suns/stars can die too I somehow realised it was time that wasn't real. One of the most noticable things I discerned at around my early teens was that people would rather avoid the subject - and therein lies a problem. The majority would rather not face the question of mortality. I was 13 years old when I held a cord on my grandfathers coffin, my fathers sister kindly offered me drugs, prescription kind, to help me cope with the ordeal. I didn't need drugs; I was numb already, and not because of the 'ordeal' of holding a cord but I could see no-one was talking about how they felt. Everyone was tip-toeing around on thin ice incase someone had a breakdown or something. Alcohol was being used as a prop, or in the case of my aunt, alcohol and some kind of soporific drug.

I've always known I can't die, and I've had trouble understanding grief, (the manifestation of it as a great outpouring), ever since. I realise this might make me seem heartless and cold but rest assured I am not. I know the people are not dead, they've just moved on. When my mother passed less than a year ago I had one moment of a constricted throat and hot tears welling up as I left the hospital - as I drove home I realised it was because I would never see her eyes open again. The memory of it alone produces a similar but reduced sensation. My brother-in-law rang me 2 hrs later to tell me she had passed and I spent some time remembering many things and then thanked her for everything she had done. That was it, my grief was over.

A very good friend of mine whom I bumped into a few days later already knew my mum had gone and told me someone hadn't let her go yet. I didn't know if it was my sister or my father so I spoke to both of them and just told them what she'd said. 'You have to let her go, she is conflicted.' 48 hours later I spoke again with my friend again and she was all smiles. She'd seen my mum in her new place and she was fine, everything was good. Now I really don't care if this is hard to digest I know it to be true. This same friend has already proved her capabilities to me in more ways than one.

Make no mistake, who you think you are dies, (unless you are already completely awakened), but conciousness does not; you shift from one aspect to the other as effortlessly as awakening in the morning after a good nights sleep. Only this time, leaving your 3D incarnation, you awaken with few burdens, (I was going to say no burdens, but depending on the circumstances of passing you may have lingering concerns.), they soon pass. You will feel so free you want to rejoice.

Don't feel sad for a loved ones passing, rejoice. They are no longer burdened with the pains of this world - they are free of a great restraint.

@Petra. - I know exactly what you mean with the 'not real' part. It is a difficult thing to comprehend when you are sunk neck deep in this reality and it certainly does lead to the "What's the point?" questions.
The actual point is we are living IN an illusion, that is why it is not real. But whilst you live here you might as well do the best you can as it will only help your future selves.

Listen, I still struggle with the whatsthepointitis, at times it all seems like some sick game but we are here and we better just get on with it.

NEEDED AN EDIT: RE: (the manifestation of it as a great outpouring), I wanted to ask, do these people, who are wailing and crying, beating their chests and tearing at their hair. (I am being deliberately extreme). Did they never consider the possibility that this person might die? I mean everyone else dies, that much is obvious to all of us. So the only conclusion I can draw is that the entire possibility was ignored. That's why people don't like to talk about death, it reminds them that they are not immortal - but that is where they are wrong. :happythumbsup:

Innocent Warrior

23rd January 2018, 02:29

Hi,[...]

You can only truly know for yourself, I wonder if you have had any dreams of your cousin since she died? If so, you may have not realised she was sending you a message because a lot of people don't realise dreams are often not "just a dream". I've lost two people whom I loved dearly and they both came to me in my dreams shortly after they died and in both cases they were responding to my reaction to their death.

My close friend who was very sick with Muscular Dystrophy asked me about life after death, I did my best to convince him there was and that it was nothing to fear and his response was, “I hope you’re right”. Not long after he hung himself to avoid the state of being unable to move or communicate anymore. I was heart-broken and wished he’d told me he was leaving, I just wanted to be with him one more time before he left. Soon after he died I dreamt of being with him like we always were, just hanging out together. I knew then my friend had granted me my wish.

My first lesson in life after death was from my Grandmother. I lost my Grandmother when I was eight years old. Soon after she died I had a dream I was in her kitchen when she walked in the room. I wasn’t aware I was dreaming and was stunned and elated to see her again but I was confused, what was she doing here, she’s dead.

My childish mind figured the universe made a mistake and somehow she was back now. I thought that if I just pretended I didn’t know she had died then nobody would notice the mistake and she could stay.

I attempted to play it cool but I was just so stunned, it was a dream come true, she was the light of my life, to this day she’s still the most special person I’ve ever known. So I stood there in her kitchen, jaw dropped, staring at her walking around the house when she stopped and asked me what the matter was. I answered that she was here, she agreed, then I said but you’re dead, she answered, so?

My Grandmother was telling me it made no difference that she had died, that all is just as it was before. This gave me little comfort when I woke up and she was gone but it was enough for me to understand that her body had worn out but she was still with me.

Chris

6th June 2018, 08:05

I think this will always ever be a subjective, personal experience. A person that has never been to the other side or communicated with beings from the other side has zero proof that there is an afterlife, therefore deep in their heart they will probably never believe it to be true. We are a species that can only truly believe in things we have seen and experienced for ourselves. Obviously I'm not suggesting that you take a trip to the afterlife, that would be rather risky, but you can do the next best thing and experience what it is like to be outside your body. If you have ever had a lucid dream, where you were flying or floating around, you already know. You can learn how to project yourself astrally and be outside your body through various meditative practices. There is also a shortcut in the form of Ayahuasca or DMT, which can show you a whole another reality. Once you've had any of these experiences, you'll probably already know that there is indeed an afterlife and your consciousness can continue to live on independently of the body.