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Bubu
6th May 2017, 11:55
Here are some wild predictions of bill gates that we probably could learn from.
I will try to add my wild predictions:) please feel free add yours

http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-wild-predictions-2017-5/#the-world-could-eradicate-polio-by-2019-7

Bill Gates' physical body might reside in the present, but his brain lives in the future.

The billionaire philanthropist has made a career out of predicting what will happen in matters of computing, public health, and the environment.

He correctly predicted the rise of smartphones and social media, and a wealth of evidence suggests his latest predictions could be on the right track, too.

Here's what Gates envisions for the future of our world.

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Bioterrorism could wipe out 33 million people in less than a year.

Nothing new here we knew thats the plan

In February, Bill Gates remarked at a conference in Munich, Germany that one of the biggest threats to global health is an airbone pathogen deployed by bioterrorists. It could be a synthetic smallpox virus or a super-flu that is far deadlier than normal strains.

Epidemiologists "say there is a reasonable probability the world will experience such an outbreak in the next 10-15 years," Gates noted. In just a year, the right bug could wipe out 33 million people.

For this reason, Gates and his foundation have made widespread vaccination one of their top priorities around the world.

Kill more people slowly with vaccine. nothing new as well

When it comes to food, Africa will become entirely self-sufficient.

Africa could be the center of GMO food production

In his 2015 Gates Annual Letter, Gates made the prediction that Africa's agriculture industry will increase productivity by 50% by 2030, making the entire continent self-sufficient.

Currently, the continent imports roughly $50 billion worth of food each year, despite the fact that 70% of residents in sub-Saharan Africa are farmers.

"In the next 15 years, however, innovations in farming will erase these brutal ironies," Gates wrote. "The world has already developed better fertilizer and crops that are more productive, nutritious, and drought- and disease-resistant; with access to these and other existing technologies, African farmers could theoretically double their yields."

Mobile banking will help the poor transform their lives.

Ha! make people more dependent on money and easily traceable.

In African countries where cash is hard to come by, people often face the difficult choice of paying for healthcare, food, education, or repairs — all four aren't always an option.

Gates says this results from poor banking infrastructure. Financial services like M-PESA are providing access to digital bank accounts in countries like Kenya and Uganda. People who may not have previously had access to banking services can use those accounts to store money more easily.

"By 2030, 2 billion people who don't have a bank account today will be storing money and making payment with their phones," he wrote in his 2015 Annual Letter. "And by then, mobile money providers will be offering the full range of financial services, from interest-bearing savings accounts to credit to insurance."

By 2035, there could be almost no poor countries.

all people will be leaving in cities as slaves

In his 2014 Annual Letter, Gates boldly predicted that continued levels of foreign aid could mean there will be almost no more poor countries by 2035. (His foundation has since expressed concern over the Trump administration's foreign-aid budget, but believes the math should still work out.)

In the letter, Gates defined "poverty" as the World Bank does, which is a daily budget of just $1.90. There are people in some 35 countries who fit that profile.

"Almost all countries will be what we now call lower-middle income or richer," Gates explained. "Countries will learn from their most productive neighbors and benefit from innovations like new vaccines, better seeds, and the digital revolution."


By 2030, the world will discover a clean-energy breakthrough to power our world.

When oil runs out we have a new energy business ready

One of Gates' more hopeful predictions came in 2016 when he declared that wind, solar, or some other renewable resource will power the majority of the world within the next 15 years.

"The challenge we face is big, perhaps bigger than many people imagine," he wrote in his Annual Letter. "But so is the opportunity." Many of the poor countries he visited had no running water or electricity. At night this meant they couldn't light or power their homes, keep businesses open, or run vital medical centers.

"If the world can find a source of cheap, clean energy, it will do more than halt climate change," he wrote. "It will transform the lives of millions of the poorest families."

Countless jobs will be lost to automation.
Hope this happens soon so we I can lie on my hammock near the beach most of the time.
Over the next 20 years, warehouses and factories across the country are poised to replace human workers with automated robots, Gates says. The resultant loss to the labor force could be in the thousands, if not millions, depending on which industries automate jobs the most.

"You cross the threshold of job-replacement of certain activities all sort of at once," he told Quartz.

His vision for this future involves essentially taxing the robots who perform this labor, in order to preserve the income tax you'd otherwise get from a human.

The world could eradicate polio by 2019.
And replace it with heavy metals and other toxins far worse than folio

Gates Letter
By last count in 2016, the world saw just 37 new cases of polio. That's down from more than 400 in the late 1980s. All told, only a few hundred cases remain around the world, and Gates is hopeful the disease will become the second disease, after smallpox, to disappear for good.

"The global polio community is now finalizing a detailed plan that I believe should allow us to finish the job of polio eradication within the next six years," he wrote in his 2013 Annual Letter, adding that the initiatives should further vaccination awareness in general.

"The legacy of polio eradication will live beyond stopping a disease that once paralyzed over 400,000 children every year," he wrote.

enigma3
6th May 2017, 15:41
Gates has repeated his rather famous quote on reducing the population through vaccines 3 times!

"If we do a really good job on new vaccines.... we could lower that population by perhaps 10 to 15 percent."

The deep state hath spoken. So let it be written. So let it be done.

Fellow Aspirant
7th May 2017, 02:22
Or, instead of seeing Gates as Evil Incarnate, and here I'm speaking to those who confuse his population reduction scheme (via vaccination), with an Illuminatti blueprint for wholesale murder, we could maybe consider that the administration of vaccines might be a way to make populations a little healthier and so have fewer children, by choice, instead of overcompensating for a very high rate of infant mortality by having more and more kids. Africa is the only continent where the birth rate is increasing. Over population is at the root of Africa's misery.

Here's a very clear explanation of why having a healthier population leads to a sustainable birthrate, link here ...

https://debunkingdenialism.com/2013/08/05/bill-gates-vaccines-and-human-depopulation/

Despite this enormous public health success, irrational anti-vaccine sentiments based on ignorance and fear mongering continues to exist. Often, they appeal to fraudulent studies or to safe but scary-sounding names of vaccines components. Sometimes, they even succumb to grand conspiracy theories involving vaccines and world domination based on nothing but misunderstood quotes taken out of context.

In reality, vaccines and general improvements in health care availability increases the living standards of individuals. As people become better off, they tend to have fewer children. A society having fewer children will reduce the population growth i.e. reduce the rate at which the human population is increasing. This bares no resemblance whatsoever to the irrational conspiracy theories who posit and evil and draconian plan spearheaded by Bill Gates that is somehow going to cause massive depopulation. This post examines and clarifies the quotes by Gates that anti-vaccine cranks take out of context.

Vaccines increase living standards, which correlate with fewer children

When people enjoy higher living standards (by vaccines, higher education, better health care infrastructure, better economy, access to reproductive services etc.), the average women tend to give birth to fewer children in their lifetime. Am article in the Economist called Fertility and living standards: Go forth and multiply a lot less explains:

Macroeconomic research bears out this picture. Fertility starts to drop at an annual income per person of $1,000-2,000 and falls until it hits the replacement level at an income per head of $4,000-10,000 a year (see chart 2). This roughly tracks the passage from poverty to middle-income status and from an agrarian society to a modern one.

[…]

The link between living standards and fertility exists within countries, too. India’s poorest state, Bihar, has a fertility rate of 4; richer Tamil Nadu and Kerala have rates below 2. Shanghai has had a fertility rate of less than 1.7 since 1975; in Guizhou, China’s poorest province, the rate is 2.2. So strong is the link between wealth and fertility that the few countries where fertility is not falling are those torn apart by war, such as Congo, Liberia and Sierra Leone, where living standards have not risen.

This is the central flaw in the conspiracy theories about Bill Gates, vaccines and depopulation: they confuse vaccines leading to a higher living standard which in turn lead to fewer children being born due to social factors with the notion of a shadowy conspiracy attempting to commit mass murder on a global scale.

In their attempts to back up their anti-vaccine fear mongering, these conspiracy theorists make use of a classic denialist debating tactic called quote mining. It involves taking a segment of communication out of its surrounding context to distort its meaning. As we have seen, when societies increase their living standards, they tend to give birth to a lower average number of children. This makes reduces the population increase and can even make it level off. Keep this in mind when we look at the two most common quotes by Gates taken out of context.

Bill Gates as a TED speaker

The first comes from a TED talk delivered by Gates in 2010 called Innovating to Zero, where he discusses various ideas on how to reduce global carbon emissions to zero. He shows an equation for the global carbon emission, which states that the global carbon emission is related to the number of people on earth, the number of services used on average per person, the amount of useful energy consumed per service and the amount of carbon dioxide produced per unit useful energy. He goes on to look at ways to reduce each factor in the equation and his ultimate conclusion is that the amount of carbon dioxide per unit useful energy is going to have to come down a lot for humanity to strongly reduce carbon dioxide output.

Here is the quote from the TED talk (04:33 to 04:50):

First, we’ve got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent, but there we see an increase of about 1.3.

Bill Gates is obviously not claiming that vaccines, health care and reproductive health services will somehow magically lead to the mass murder of almost a billion people. Quite the contrary, health care in general and vaccines in particular saves lives. It is also worth noting that Gates is saying that world population will continue to rise despite vaccines contributing to better living standards. So vaccines will only reduce the increase in population growth, not reduce the absolute number of people.

The Gupta interview on CNN

Anti-vaccine cranks repeat the same tedious quote mining with respect to an interview Gates participated in for CNN called Bill Gates: Vaccine-autism link ‘an absolute lie’. In fact, it is the exact same misunderstanding: confusing “reduce population growth by promoting health” with “mass murder”.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Ten billion dollars [pledged] over the next 10 years to make it “the year of the vaccines.” What does that mean exactly?

Bill Gates: Over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be made, in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year from about 9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do three things in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile — ringworm and polio; get the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the vaccines — and we only need about six or seven more — and then you would have all the tools to reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything — the stability, the environment — benefits from that.

Gates is stating that new vaccine inventions could further reduce the tragic deaths of children due to infectious diseases and dampen the population growth. Not by some evil plot to kill people, but by the fact that communities with better health care and higher living standards tend to have fewer children.

Perhaps the most glaring problem with the notion that vaccines cause depopulation is that throughout the 1900s, the century were most vaccines has been invented and included into public health, the planet has been characterized by an incredible population growth.

When people believe that conspiratorial thinking and ideology trumps rational science, they rarely let mere facts stand in their way.


Brian

onawah
7th May 2017, 03:52
Seriously? Apparently you haven't read the many posts and threads on vaccines such as:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71330-Do-vaccines-contribute-to-autism-Should-we-vaccinate&highlight=vaccines
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91081-The-poisoning-of-America-Glyphosate-Statins-and-Vaccines&highlight=vaccines
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78552-Dr.-Andrew-Moulden-and-Reversing-Neurological-injuries-from-Vaccines&highlight=vaccines
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95498-The-Biochemical-Manipulation-of-Humanity&highlight=vaccines
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97256-Jihad-vaccines-sharia-Denmark-world&highlight=vaccines

...and the number of deaths and serious health issues they cause, including sterility. :sad:
And sure, of course, a billionaire globalist would never use doublespeak to fool the sheeple. :facepalm:
:tsk:



Or, instead of seeing Gates as Evil Incarnate, and here I'm speaking to those who confuse his population reduction scheme (via vaccination), with an Illuminatti blueprint for wholesale murder, we could maybe consider that the administration of vaccines might be a way to make populations a little healthier and so have fewer children, by choice, instead of overcompensating for a very high rate of infant mortality by having more and more kids. Africa is the only continent where the birth rate is increasing. Over population is at the root of Africa's misery.

Here's a very clear explanation of why having a healthier population leads to a sustainable birthrate, link here ...

https://debunkingdenialism.com/2013/08/05/bill-gates-vaccines-and-human-depopulation/

Despite this enormous public health success, irrational anti-vaccine sentiments based on ignorance and fear mongering continues to exist. Often, they appeal to fraudulent studies or to safe but scary-sounding names of vaccines components. Sometimes, they even succumb to grand conspiracy theories involving vaccines and world domination based on nothing but misunderstood quotes taken out of context.

In reality, vaccines and general improvements in health care availability increases the living standards of individuals. As people become better off, they tend to have fewer children. A society having fewer children will reduce the population growth i.e. reduce the rate at which the human population is increasing. This bares no resemblance whatsoever to the irrational conspiracy theories who posit and evil and draconian plan spearheaded by Bill Gates that is somehow going to cause massive depopulation. This post examines and clarifies the quotes by Gates that anti-vaccine cranks take out of context.

Vaccines increase living standards, which correlate with fewer children

When people enjoy higher living standards (by vaccines, higher education, better health care infrastructure, better economy, access to reproductive services etc.), the average women tend to give birth to fewer children in their lifetime. Am article in the Economist called Fertility and living standards: Go forth and multiply a lot less explains:

Macroeconomic research bears out this picture. Fertility starts to drop at an annual income per person of $1,000-2,000 and falls until it hits the replacement level at an income per head of $4,000-10,000 a year (see chart 2). This roughly tracks the passage from poverty to middle-income status and from an agrarian society to a modern one.

[…]

The link between living standards and fertility exists within countries, too. India’s poorest state, Bihar, has a fertility rate of 4; richer Tamil Nadu and Kerala have rates below 2. Shanghai has had a fertility rate of less than 1.7 since 1975; in Guizhou, China’s poorest province, the rate is 2.2. So strong is the link between wealth and fertility that the few countries where fertility is not falling are those torn apart by war, such as Congo, Liberia and Sierra Leone, where living standards have not risen.

This is the central flaw in the conspiracy theories about Bill Gates, vaccines and depopulation: they confuse vaccines leading to a higher living standard which in turn lead to fewer children being born due to social factors with the notion of a shadowy conspiracy attempting to commit mass murder on a global scale.

In their attempts to back up their anti-vaccine fear mongering, these conspiracy theorists make use of a classic denialist debating tactic called quote mining. It involves taking a segment of communication out of its surrounding context to distort its meaning. As we have seen, when societies increase their living standards, they tend to give birth to a lower average number of children. This makes reduces the population increase and can even make it level off. Keep this in mind when we look at the two most common quotes by Gates taken out of context.

Bill Gates as a TED speaker

The first comes from a TED talk delivered by Gates in 2010 called Innovating to Zero, where he discusses various ideas on how to reduce global carbon emissions to zero. He shows an equation for the global carbon emission, which states that the global carbon emission is related to the number of people on earth, the number of services used on average per person, the amount of useful energy consumed per service and the amount of carbon dioxide produced per unit useful energy. He goes on to look at ways to reduce each factor in the equation and his ultimate conclusion is that the amount of carbon dioxide per unit useful energy is going to have to come down a lot for humanity to strongly reduce carbon dioxide output.

Here is the quote from the TED talk (04:33 to 04:50):

First, we’ve got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent, but there we see an increase of about 1.3.

Bill Gates is obviously not claiming that vaccines, health care and reproductive health services will somehow magically lead to the mass murder of almost a billion people. Quite the contrary, health care in general and vaccines in particular saves lives. It is also worth noting that Gates is saying that world population will continue to rise despite vaccines contributing to better living standards. So vaccines will only reduce the increase in population growth, not reduce the absolute number of people.

The Gupta interview on CNN

Anti-vaccine cranks repeat the same tedious quote mining with respect to an interview Gates participated in for CNN called Bill Gates: Vaccine-autism link ‘an absolute lie’. In fact, it is the exact same misunderstanding: confusing “reduce population growth by promoting health” with “mass murder”.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Ten billion dollars [pledged] over the next 10 years to make it “the year of the vaccines.” What does that mean exactly?

Bill Gates: Over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be made, in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year from about 9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do three things in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile — ringworm and polio; get the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the vaccines — and we only need about six or seven more — and then you would have all the tools to reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything — the stability, the environment — benefits from that.

Gates is stating that new vaccine inventions could further reduce the tragic deaths of children due to infectious diseases and dampen the population growth. Not by some evil plot to kill people, but by the fact that communities with better health care and higher living standards tend to have fewer children.

Perhaps the most glaring problem with the notion that vaccines cause depopulation is that throughout the 1900s, the century were most vaccines has been invented and included into public health, the planet has been characterized by an incredible population growth.

When people believe that conspiratorial thinking and ideology trumps rational science, they rarely let mere facts stand in their way.


Brian

Bubu
7th May 2017, 09:36
Bills gates is sorta announcing the plans of the globalist as we knew it. IMO

Hervé
7th May 2017, 16:10
[...]
When people believe that conspiratorial thinking and ideology trumps rational science, they rarely let mere facts stand in their way.

Brian
What a hit-piece!

When "rational science" is not logical nor rational - i.e. insufficiently analyzed - it's only a propaganda psy-op for huge, short term profits.

Education is the long term improvement in both population issues and health issues but, of course, globalists are not interested in an educated slave labor.

Here is the main propaganda debunked, the data speak by themselves:



I guess along with the primer, we needs a few quick charts:

Africa - measles. In 1981 there were over 1,400,000 cases, as of 2013 there were less than 100,000.:

[...]

Makes one wonder why you omitted showing this quick chart along with that other one:


http://whale.to/m/measle1.gif


... which indicates that by the time vaccinations became profitable, measles had long ceased to be a major problem due to better hygiene and nutrition.




Never mind that the measles "virus" doesn't even exist!!!

German Supreme Court Upholds Biologist’s Claim that Measles Virus Does Not Exist (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71330-Do-vaccines-contribute-to-autism-Should-we-vaccinate&p=1151045&viewfull=1#post1151045)


Related:
Arkansas Hit By Massive Mumps Outbreak, Only Amongst Vaccinated (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71330-Do-vaccines-contribute-to-autism-Should-we-vaccinate&p=1098542&viewfull=1#post1098542)

Flash
7th May 2017, 17:16
I do agree with you on all the statistics of wealth in a country versus declining birth rate, wealth being at the foremost point for natality reduction. Every single country whose wealth increase to a decent survival for all level had a natural (not enforce) population reduction.

I do agree that a large poor population makes more children to be able to survive (survival of the specie) since many die young. And then a vicious circle of poverty due to overpopulation creating more childbirth therefore overpopulation and poverty.

I have seen the very grounded research on this - I therefore congratulate you for having the courage to go against the grain here, namely naming population reduction as a criteria for wealth and better life.

Where I disagree with Bill Gate is the use of vaccines to achieve this. It is demonstrated that if you increase the wealth and well being of a country, population is reduced without vaccines to do it.

So my question is: why don't we stop making the poor countries poor by over exploiting their resources through our multinationals? Why don't we force those multinational corporations to give back their fair share of the profit to the countries and people they exploit. I am not talking of withdrawing completely from these countries, I am talking of giving back, and not to oligarch who will only pocket the money given back. Helping those countries to have sustainable development and implement a structure that warrants their futur wealth.



Or, instead of seeing Gates as Evil Incarnate, and here I'm speaking to those who confuse his population reduction scheme (via vaccination), with an Illuminatti blueprint for wholesale murder, we could maybe consider that the administration of vaccines might be a way to make populations a little healthier and so have fewer children, by choice, instead of overcompensating for a very high rate of infant mortality by having more and more kids. Africa is the only continent where the birth rate is increasing. Over population is at the root of Africa's misery.

Here's a very clear explanation of why having a healthier population leads to a sustainable birthrate, link here ...

https://debunkingdenialism.com/2013/08/05/bill-gates-vaccines-and-human-depopulation/

Despite this enormous public health success, irrational anti-vaccine sentiments based on ignorance and fear mongering continues to exist. Often, they appeal to fraudulent studies or to safe but scary-sounding names of vaccines components. Sometimes, they even succumb to grand conspiracy theories involving vaccines and world domination based on nothing but misunderstood quotes taken out of context.

In reality, vaccines and general improvements in health care availability increases the living standards of individuals. As people become better off, they tend to have fewer children. A society having fewer children will reduce the population growth i.e. reduce the rate at which the human population is increasing. This bares no resemblance whatsoever to the irrational conspiracy theories who posit and evil and draconian plan spearheaded by Bill Gates that is somehow going to cause massive depopulation. This post examines and clarifies the quotes by Gates that anti-vaccine cranks take out of context.

Vaccines increase living standards, which correlate with fewer children

When people enjoy higher living standards (by vaccines, higher education, better health care infrastructure, better economy, access to reproductive services etc.), the average women tend to give birth to fewer children in their lifetime. Am article in the Economist called Fertility and living standards: Go forth and multiply a lot less explains:

Macroeconomic research bears out this picture. Fertility starts to drop at an annual income per person of $1,000-2,000 and falls until it hits the replacement level at an income per head of $4,000-10,000 a year (see chart 2). This roughly tracks the passage from poverty to middle-income status and from an agrarian society to a modern one.

[…]

The link between living standards and fertility exists within countries, too. India’s poorest state, Bihar, has a fertility rate of 4; richer Tamil Nadu and Kerala have rates below 2. Shanghai has had a fertility rate of less than 1.7 since 1975; in Guizhou, China’s poorest province, the rate is 2.2. So strong is the link between wealth and fertility that the few countries where fertility is not falling are those torn apart by war, such as Congo, Liberia and Sierra Leone, where living standards have not risen.

This is the central flaw in the conspiracy theories about Bill Gates, vaccines and depopulation: they confuse vaccines leading to a higher living standard which in turn lead to fewer children being born due to social factors with the notion of a shadowy conspiracy attempting to commit mass murder on a global scale.

In their attempts to back up their anti-vaccine fear mongering, these conspiracy theorists make use of a classic denialist debating tactic called quote mining. It involves taking a segment of communication out of its surrounding context to distort its meaning. As we have seen, when societies increase their living standards, they tend to give birth to a lower average number of children. This makes reduces the population increase and can even make it level off. Keep this in mind when we look at the two most common quotes by Gates taken out of context.

Bill Gates as a TED speaker

The first comes from a TED talk delivered by Gates in 2010 called Innovating to Zero, where he discusses various ideas on how to reduce global carbon emissions to zero. He shows an equation for the global carbon emission, which states that the global carbon emission is related to the number of people on earth, the number of services used on average per person, the amount of useful energy consumed per service and the amount of carbon dioxide produced per unit useful energy. He goes on to look at ways to reduce each factor in the equation and his ultimate conclusion is that the amount of carbon dioxide per unit useful energy is going to have to come down a lot for humanity to strongly reduce carbon dioxide output.

Here is the quote from the TED talk (04:33 to 04:50):

First, we’ve got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent, but there we see an increase of about 1.3.

Bill Gates is obviously not claiming that vaccines, health care and reproductive health services will somehow magically lead to the mass murder of almost a billion people. Quite the contrary, health care in general and vaccines in particular saves lives. It is also worth noting that Gates is saying that world population will continue to rise despite vaccines contributing to better living standards. So vaccines will only reduce the increase in population growth, not reduce the absolute number of people.

The Gupta interview on CNN

Anti-vaccine cranks repeat the same tedious quote mining with respect to an interview Gates participated in for CNN called Bill Gates: Vaccine-autism link ‘an absolute lie’. In fact, it is the exact same misunderstanding: confusing “reduce population growth by promoting health” with “mass murder”.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Ten billion dollars [pledged] over the next 10 years to make it “the year of the vaccines.” What does that mean exactly?

Bill Gates: Over this decade, we believe unbelievable progress can be made, in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children who need them. We could cut the number of children who die every year from about 9 million to half of that, if we have success on it. We have to do three things in parallel: Eradicate the few that fit that profile — ringworm and polio; get the coverage up for the vaccines we have; and then invent the vaccines — and we only need about six or seven more — and then you would have all the tools to reduce childhood death, reduce population growth, and everything — the stability, the environment — benefits from that.

Gates is stating that new vaccine inventions could further reduce the tragic deaths of children due to infectious diseases and dampen the population growth. Not by some evil plot to kill people, but by the fact that communities with better health care and higher living standards tend to have fewer children.

Perhaps the most glaring problem with the notion that vaccines cause depopulation is that throughout the 1900s, the century were most vaccines has been invented and included into public health, the planet has been characterized by an incredible population growth.

When people believe that conspiratorial thinking and ideology trumps rational science, they rarely let mere facts stand in their way.


Brian

Bubu
8th May 2017, 00:11
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I have seen the very grounded research on this - I therefore congratulate you for having the courage to go against the grain here, namely naming population reduction as a criteria for wealth and better life.

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while I spent most of my time is a poor country I had the opportunity to live in a wealthy country (Holland) for 4 months. Being one not to miss learning from an experience. Id like to share something to everyone. In an apartment flat in NL where I stayed there where 11 doors in one floor. 4 of which have a solo occupant. How sad is that. While here in the PH we being poor we are force to live in cramped space, by your standards, because of this we are able to connect better. in our house of 4 bedrooms with 10 people when people gather during the weekends you can hear laughs all day. But being poor we are not able to go places and dont have all the toys you have in a rich country. I can give many examples. All in all better life has nothing to do with wealth more so with number of population. Its all about perspective. thats an opinion from someone who seen both worlds.

Flash
8th May 2017, 00:22
I have seen both world too Bubu, but this time I was the one in a poor country in a poor family with 15 in 5 rooms. True, people were more gregarious and laughed more. But, they were usually of poorer health as well. And the real poors of a poor country have literally no food, no medication, often women prostituting for survival and to feed their kid, and short lifes. This is not a life for anyone. A poor country where everyone can afford a house with 4 bedroom for ten people is not that poor, as long as anyone has this kind of commodity - which I do not think is the case in the Phillipines. Otherwise, 4 bedroom for 10 people puts you on the middle class of your country, with food on the table every day. Not the case of the poorer ones who have much more children.

And this fact of being poor but having fun with family does not change the statistics. When wealthy, a country's birth rate decreases dramatically and vaccines for birth control are no more necessary. The solution is helping poor people get wealthier, not vaccinating them.



[QUOTE=Flash;1151253].

I have seen the very grounded research on this - I therefore congratulate you for having the courage to go against the grain here, namely naming population reduction as a criteria for wealth and better life.






while I spent most of my time is a poor country I had the opportunity to live in a wealthy country (Holland) for 4 months. Being one not to miss learning from an experience. Id like to share something to everyone. In an apartment flat in NL where I stayed there where 11 doors in one floor. 4 of which have a solo occupant. How sad is that. While here in the PH we being poor we are force to live in cramped space, by your standards, because of this we are able to connect better. in our house of 4 bedrooms with 10 people when people gather during the weekends you can hear laughs all day. But being poor we are not able to go places and dont have all the toys you have in a rich country. I can give many examples. All in all better life has nothing to do with wealth more so with number of population. Its all about perspective. thats an opinion from someone who seen both worlds.

Bubu
8th May 2017, 00:37
I have seen both world too Bubu, but this time I was the one in a poor country in a poor family with 15 in 5 rooms. True, people were more gregarious and laughed more. But, they were usually of poorer health as well. And the real poors of a poor country have literally no food, no medication, often women prostituting for survival and to feed their kid, and short lifes. This is not a life for anyone. A poor country where everyone can afford a house with 4 bedroom for ten people is not that poor, as long as anyone has this kind of commodity - which I do not think is the case in the Phillipines. Otherwise, 4 bedroom for 10 people puts you on the middle class of your country, with food on the table every day. Not the case of the poorer ones who have much more children.

And this fact of being poor but having fun with family does not change the statistics. When wealthy, a country's birth rate decreases dramatically and vaccines for birth control are no more necessary. The solution is helping poor people get wealthier, not vaccinating them.



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I have seen the very grounded research on this - I therefore congratulate you for having the courage to go against the grain here, namely naming population reduction as a criteria for wealth and better life.






while I spent most of my time is a poor country I had the opportunity to live in a wealthy country (Holland) for 4 months. Being one not to miss learning from an experience. Id like to share something to everyone. In an apartment flat in NL where I stayed there where 11 doors in one floor. 4 of which have a solo occupant. How sad is that. While here in the PH we being poor we are force to live in cramped space, by your standards, because of this we are able to connect better. in our house of 4 bedrooms with 10 people when people gather during the weekends you can hear laughs all day. But being poor we are not able to go places and dont have all the toys you have in a rich country. I can give many examples. All in all better life has nothing to do with wealth more so with number of population. Its all about perspective. thats an opinion from someone who seen both worlds.

I do agree with you. But basically good / bad life can be known by merely observing a person and I dont think there is much difference between people in a rich and poor country. In the other side of the street from us where the poorest of the poor in our vicinity lives and where I frequent there are people that has a better life than me. I mean they are happier I can tell by how they conduct themselves.
A woman prostituting herself to support family can be happier than someone who dont. thats a fact you can observe. At times I wonder how could these very poor can afford to laugh but they do. From the word of the dutch who came " How could they be so happy yet have very little" (observing poor Filipinos). Its difficult to explain yet its true.

conk
8th May 2017, 17:48
...vaccines....It is utterly incomprehensible that you defend vaccines. That there is still some mystery about their efficacy and safety. This is a case closed situation. Vaccines are a cruel and vile attack on the health of the world. They have never been show to be effective or safe, EVER. You cannot find one unbiased study that demonstrates their usefulness.