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Teakai
23rd December 2010, 00:41
A policeman shoots a man dead in the middle of the street using multiple bullets, within seconds of telling him to put down a knife. Within seconds 3 squad cars and 2 cycle police arrive on the scene.

Is this total overkill (no pun intended) in more ways in one?
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with these cops? Is this the result of too much coffee and doughnuts - or some kind of mind manipulation being used on a soft mind?

How does any thinking, normal human being do such a thing in cold blood? It's not like he acted in self defense.

Extract: At about 3:00, a voice (probably Birk’s) says, “Yeah, I am okay. He had the knife open.” (The investigation has since said that police found the knife closed.)

At 5:10, another officer can be heard telling Birk, “You did the right thing. Hang in there, Ian.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcxqyp2wOzE&feature=player_embedded

Source: http://www.infowars.com/how-long-does-it-take-a-cop-to-kill-an-innocent-man-8-seconds/

bluestflame
23rd December 2010, 00:48
the man may have had a knife but the actions of the officer in question is forked

anikohu
23rd December 2010, 01:11
-"he had a knife and didn't dropp it" -because of this the man is dead. This is horrible! And suddenly all the police car(5 i counted) in less than a minute-"back up" arrived

bluestflame
23rd December 2010, 01:18
back in the old days the police used to have battons that extended thier reach and with 2 or more of them they were able to surround and disarm the knifeholder with at worst a broken arm on the part of the knife holder
aim was whichever the knife holder would lunge at the other two or more would come in on the arm that was holding the knife and it'd be a little difficult to continue holding the knife

I guess with new laws to support them they are less afraid of civil proceedings being brought against them

TigaHawk
23rd December 2010, 01:59
they did some investigating into the guy that was shot.

He was a native indian i believe - who could not speak much english, but he was amazinly good at wood carvings. I also believe he was walking down the road, carving a piece of wood. Note - they also said the guy was hard at hearing and allmost deaf in one ear.

The office saw the knife and got out of the car, told him to drop it.


The guy starts to turn around - poor fella probably heard something and turned around to see what.

It was his action of turning around that got him shot.


Yeah officer, you did the right thing, to earn yourself a ticket to hell.

bluestflame
23rd December 2010, 02:22
must be someting new they are teaching them in training , to empty the magazine

Gone001
23rd December 2010, 03:01
Even if the guy was going to come at him he didn't need to shoot to kill. This cop is just a coward or a bit trigger happy; either way, he's still in the wrong.

Ilie Pandia
23rd December 2010, 13:59
The most disturbing part about this is that people reach a point when they no longer care... "Oh, the police just shot another innocent person today... there will be of course a cover up... Ok, moving on now."

And what annoys me the most is that I am outraged by this crime but I have no idea what to do about it :(. I man had been killed... not injured... killed! And that man could have been me.... I am very fond of knives I do sometimes carry one around transporting it from the store to my home, or showing off to my friends... so now I get shot because I may not have heard the warning... this is crazy!!! What the hell happened with "Protect and Serve"!!?!? Is moments like this when I totally understand why Alex Jones yells at the camera :mad2::noidea::yell:

PS: And you notice how calmly that lady passes by as nothing has happened!?!? How can you do that? A fellow human being killed does not shock you anymore?!? Unbelievable...

DawgBone
23rd December 2010, 14:28
Bingo, Undead!

The media fill our minds with perpetual violence. We are conditioned to think that is the way things are supposed to be. That actually might be the media's main purpose.

It reminds me of the movie, Brazil. Perpetual violence, perpetual torture in a horrendous Orwellian State.

That's our future, if people do not wake up.

Snowbird
23rd December 2010, 14:34
Are we desensitized yet? That's what all of this is about.

Police are being trained (its rather obvious) to see every person on this earth as an enemy combatant, regardless of the circumstances. They are being told that the elderly are now the new and upcoming terrorists, simply because a few people above a certain age have begun to raise their voices in an attempt to stop the insanity.

The elderly woman in this video has alzheimers. She was driven to WalMart by her daughter and left in the car for a few minutes with her seat belt on while her daughter ran in to shop. The elderly woman found a butter knife in the car and somehow cut off the seat belt and got out of the car to find her daughter.

The woman in gray has the butter knife in her hand. The very young cop tells her to drop it and of course, the elderly woman has no idea of what is going on. The very young and strong cop physically flips this woman and this woman's head is cracked open when she lands on the pavement.

I don't know if the daughter ever brought charges. And, I don't know if the daughter, herself, was legally in the wrong by leaving her mother in the car. The daughter was her caretaker and most likely had no help with her mother, from what I read.

8xW_-bSxTyI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xW_-bSxTyI

Champion the Wonderhorse
23rd December 2010, 15:18
There seems to be an increase in a brutal mindset in the police and military.
Our culture is becoming increasingly violent, video games, tv, movies, media have all played a part in desensitising to violence.
The preference to use ranged weapons instead of restraining methods. Tazers are used more frequently but if he's got a weapon dont bother tazering just shoot him.
Human life means very little these days. If a policeman has you in his sights your not a human being your just a target. This is not police to protect and serve this is para-military.
It's not quite as bad in the UK at the moment but its getting that way. There is still a brutal mindset. Charles De Menenez was brutally killed by police after having been restrained and then a full clip was emptied into him.

Ammit
23rd December 2010, 15:47
Unbelievable.....

Teakai
24th December 2010, 03:19
Here the police push over a disabled woman in the middle of the street - and keep on walking. According to witnessess, this sort of police brutality isn't unusal.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVeLXWbA4Wc

They simply must be hiring people with very low IQ's and inferiority complexes.

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There seems to be an increase in a brutal mindset in the police and military.
Our culture is becoming increasingly violent, video games, tv, movies, media have all played a part in desensitising to violence.
The preference to use ranged weapons instead of restraining methods. Tazers are used more frequently but if he's got a weapon dont bother tazering just shoot him.
Human life means very little these days. If a policeman has you in his sights your not a human being your just a target. This is not police to protect and serve this is para-military.
It's not quite as bad in the UK at the moment but its getting that way. There is still a brutal mindset. Charles De Menenez was brutally killed by police after having been restrained and then a full clip was emptied into him.

I've read quite a few news stories where police are called for help - and then end up killing the person requiring assistance.
It's call the police at your own peril these days.

Champion the Wonderhorse
24th December 2010, 03:54
I cant beleive this is real. Is it a joke? The woman they pushed over is actually disabled. Sickening very sickening.
I seriously thought this was some kind of joke video until I saw the news clip.
Twenty years ago you would be having riots in the streets over something like this. Whats happened to the people?
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Teakai
24th December 2010, 04:57
A-a-a-a-nd, check out this interview.
During the london riots due to the upping of the tuition fees. Police pulled a man who has cerebral palsy out of his wheelchair - twice.

The interview was just bizarre - one of the questions the interviewer asks if he was wheeling his chair toward the police - that would be justifiable cause, right?:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXNJ3MZ-AUo&feature=player_embedded

Teakai
10th January 2011, 23:58
Police shoot a man in a wheel chair (not to death, bless) - his hands are raised, and after firing the man turns and tries to wheel himself away, but they keep shooting at him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KyUQamT33vk#!

If a mod reads this - could you please change the title of this thread to 'police behaving badly', please - TIA.

Paul
11th January 2011, 14:30
Police shoot a man in a wheel chair (not to death, bless) - his hands are raised, and after firing the man turns and tries to wheel himself away, but they keep shooting at him.
As often seems to happen in these cases of cop violence shown in YouTube clips, there are plausible claims that events prior to the video clip would put things in a different light. For example, in this case, see such news reports as S.F. police shoot man with knife; officer stabbed (Jan 5, 2011 in San Francisco Chronicle) (http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-01-05/bay-area/27010950_1_knife-wielding-man-police-officer-tires). The guy in the wheel chair was allegedly slashing car tires with a knife, cut a cop in the shoulder with the same knife, got up and walked out of his wheel chair at one point, was acting uncontrollably (probably high on crack or some such), and was still waving the knife around up until just prior to the shooting.

There are limits to how far you should push armed men. If these allegations are true, then this guy arguably pushed too far.

Teakai
11th January 2011, 22:14
As often seems to happen in these cases of cop violence shown in YouTube clips, there are plausible claims that events prior to the video clip would put things in a different light. For example, in this case, see such news reports as S.F. police shoot man with knife; officer stabbed (Jan 5, 2011 in San Francisco Chronicle) (http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-01-05/bay-area/27010950_1_knife-wielding-man-police-officer-tires). The guy in the wheel chair was allegedly slashing car tires with a knife, cut a cop in the shoulder with the same knife, got up and walked out of his wheel chair at one point, was acting uncontrollably (probably high on crack or some such), and was still waving the knife around up until just prior to the shooting.

There are limits to how far you should push armed men. If these allegations are true, then this guy arguably pushed too far.

Hi Thepythoniccow - We saw a guy in a wheel chair, with his hands in the air - and the police shot him - and, you think if he could get out of the chair and run, then might be a good time to do it - but, no, he turned and frantically tried to wheel himself away, but they kept shooting at him.

If you get to carry and use a gun - you especially have a responsibility to control your temper.
You only shoot a wheel chaired man in the back as he's desperately trying to wheel himself away if you have lost total control of your faculties, or unless you are a merciless thug.

They were close enough to use a tazer if they had to so why didn't they? Because the US police force are being dumbed down and prepared for military take over.
We know this - and the video is it in action.
Thinking, reasonable people do not act in such a way. This behaviour should not have excuses made for it - it should be found totally and utterly unacceptable.

Teakai
21st January 2011, 23:15
Policeman kicks man in the face.

I couldn't tell you why - it all seemed perfectly unecessary and inhumane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YynD5JJTvPo&feature=player_embedded#!


Extract " The family of a man who was allegedly (Maybe they haven;t viewed the video - that removes any doubt) kicked in the face by police during an arrest in Kelowna, B.C. says he remains in custody more than 24 hours later.
.................................................. .................................................. ........
Officers uncovered a shotgun from Tavares' truck, but RCMP Supt. Bill McKinnon confirmed Friday that Tavares is a former employee of the golf course who had a permit to scare away geese with his gun.
He is reportedly on disability leave after suffering a brain injury. "


Full story here: http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110108/bc_rcmp_force_110108/20110108?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

Admittedly - the man may have looked at the police funny, or maybe he didn't talk to them in a nice tone of voice, or maybe they just didn't like the colour of his shirt, I dunno - but it certainly looks above and beyond the call of duty.

bluestflame
22nd January 2011, 00:08
or maybe he didn't immediately drop what he was doing and give them his full and undivided attention , didn't immediately assume a sumbissive posture , maybe he resisted being touched , as many would instinctively do ....nowadays that's classed as resisting arrest

Lost Soul
22nd January 2011, 00:33
It's called the 21 feet rule. If a subject is within twenty-one feet of you, he can stab you before you can draw your firearm and shoot. Hence, officers are taught to keep at least twenty-one feet's distance from a knife armed subject and to use deadly force if an uncooperative subject becomes a threat (is aggressive and gets within twenty-one feet). I wish the video showed the position of the subject in relation to the officer. If the subject had his back turned or sitting or showed no indication of aggressiveness other than unwillingness to disarm and the officer does not have knowledge that the subject has resisted the police in the past, it makes the shooting harder to justify.

Let's not forget the Supreme Court decision (which escapes me now) that said that you cannot judge a police officer's action from the perspective of a Monday night quarterback. Rather, police are to be held to the standards of a like trained and experienced officer. Given the same circumstances, would another officer with similar training and experience have resorted to deadly force? If so, then it is justified. If not, it was poor judgment on the part of the officer. Either way, there's going to be a lawsuit by the victim (or if he didn't survive) the victim's family.

bluestflame
22nd January 2011, 00:51
and they are not supposed to put thier service revolver in your mouth while your hands are handcuffed behind your back either , it makes it harder to answer thier questions in a coherent manner

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( a muffled) "I don't know where he is "

Teakai
22nd January 2011, 01:18
It's called the 21 feet rule. If a subject is within twenty-one feet of you, he can stab you before you can draw your firearm and shoot. Hence, officers are taught to keep at least twenty-one feet's distance from a knife armed subject and to use deadly force if an uncooperative subject becomes a threat (is aggressive and gets within twenty-one feet). I wish the video showed the position of the subject in relation to the officer. If the subject had his back turned or sitting or showed no indication of aggressiveness other than unwillingness to disarm and the officer does not have knowledge that the subject has resisted the police in the past, it makes the shooting harder to justify.

Let's not forget the Supreme Court decision (which escapes me now) that said that you cannot judge a police officer's action from the perspective of a Monday night quarterback. Rather, police are to be held to the standards of a like trained and experienced officer. Given the same circumstances, would another officer with similar training and experience have resorted to deadly force? If so, then it is justified. If not, it was poor judgment on the part of the officer. Either way, there's going to be a lawsuit by the victim (or if he didn't survive) the victim's family.

Hi Lost soul - I take it that you're referring to the very first clip - where the policeman followed the guy, thereby shortening any distance that lay between them to then shoot him?

Jolly good to know the courts are there to see justice is done should the police be having a bad day, though.

Lost Soul
22nd January 2011, 03:53
Teakai - yes, I was writing in reference to the first video clip. The clip doesn't show the distance between the officer and the victim. That female witness who was walking by could probably tell us whether he stopped within that twenty-one feet, or approached closer. In theory, he might have to close the distance if he had to place himself between passerbys or potential hostages. Anyhow, it's hard to say without more information.

Either way, expect the officer and his agency and the city to be sued. Either the federal government or an individual may bring an action in tort. Knowledge of this and the knowledge that many people have visual recording devices (cell phones, cameras) helps build a case that will question the officer's judgment. One of these days, the police will all have video/audio recording on their persons and this will result in two things: (1) increase the conviction rate because it won't be a he said/she said situation; (2) highly likely to improve police professionalism because the officer won't want to be caught on is own camera while violating the civil rights of a person.

10over7
22nd January 2011, 17:21
This is the first time i have seen the Jody Mcintyre interview (dont watch tv, certainly not the news), the interviewers questions were almost as shocking as the actions of the police. Reminds me of Symphony of destruction by Megadeath:

"You take a mortal man
And put him in control
Watch him become a god
Watch peoples heads a'roll"

Teakai
23rd January 2011, 02:05
Teakai - yes, I was writing in reference to the first video clip. The clip doesn't show the distance between the officer and the victim. That female witness who was walking by could probably tell us whether he stopped within that twenty-one feet, or approached closer. In theory, he might have to close the distance if he had to place himself between passerbys or potential hostages. Anyhow, it's hard to say without more information.

Either way, expect the officer and his agency and the city to be sued. Either the federal government or an individual may bring an action in tort. Knowledge of this and the knowledge that many people have visual recording devices (cell phones, cameras) helps build a case that will question the officer's judgment. One of these days, the police will all have video/audio recording on their persons and this will result in two things: (1) increase the conviction rate because it won't be a he said/she said situation; (2) highly likely to improve police professionalism because the officer won't want to be caught on is own camera while violating the civil rights of a person.

Seriously - what civil rights?

The 'ptb' have used the threat of terrorism to remove civil rights. People are now guilty until proven innocent and there's a whole new breed of police out there - and they're not very friendly.

This is an interesting and informative read:
http://www.infowars.com/is-america-already-a-police-state/

and another:

http://www.infowars.com/HR_3162.html

I think that at one time there may have been a call for justice and some form of justice may have been seen to be done - but we are long past that point and the rules have changed (thanks to 911 - so handy)

In a fascist state - the police are always in the right.

Teakai
23rd January 2011, 05:20
"We Are Change' member assualted and arrested ...for/while asking Dr. Oz questions about vaccines:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACfMC4VXyM4&feature=player_embedded#!

Action kicks in at the 3:21 mark.

Teakai
4th February 2011, 23:55
15 year old boy badly beaten by police.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJkMuEMqjL4&feature=player_embedded#

Whiskey_Mystic
5th February 2011, 05:18
It is easy to demonize police officers and make them the other. But after all, it is you and me.

Teakai
5th February 2011, 06:05
It is easy to demonize police officers and make them the other. But after all, it is you and me.

Then you and I are behaving very, very badly wouldn't you say, Whiskey Mystic? ;)

TigaHawk
5th February 2011, 06:36
I think the point is Whiskey....


They may be us...


But when you give person permission, power, and tell them yeah, you are the good in this town - you're job is to uphold the good and stop bad guys.


It's this power, wether real or illusionary, that makes them different.



IE - You're house is being broken into, things are being destroyed and stolen downstairs, you're upstairs. You have a baseball bat in you're hand.

If you choose to use the "power" to defend yourself.... When the "official powers" arrive, no doubt the person breaking into you're house will get off scotch free, and you'll end up in jail because you charged at them with a weapon - even tho you had no intent ever on using it - the goal was to get them out of you're house to stop the damage being done.

If you are one of the official powers, or an off duty power, or an Ex Police officer, military, etc. You're still safe to charge at the guy with the baseball bat. Heck, you could even smack him in the head a few times, and have a joke with the officers when they arrive and arrest the guy about it.


This is the problem.

This is also why we see alot of "police behaving badly" They are excersizing their power, in view of all. As a reminder for those that dont have it of what could happen to you if you dared to stand up for yourself.

Whiskey_Mystic
5th February 2011, 08:54
Yes, there has been a cultural shift within the police forces of the United States. I don't know what is happening elsewhere. Yes, we live in a corrupt judicial system that is not ultimately designed to serve the people. Maybe it was once, but it doesn't seem to be anymore. Yes, police officers have been given phsyical and legal powers to do things to us that are unfair, unethical, and savage. And they do those things.

Cops are also human beings. I know some very good cops who risk their lives every day and do everything they can to serve the public. I know people will say. "oh of course, we know that". But I don't think we do. It's frustrating for them to feel like the only press they get is bad press. I can understand that. I make a point of thanking these people because I believe the difference between the level of corruption in the United States and in Mexico is that these cops I know don't expect a bribe when they pull me over to give me a speeding ticket.

What I am saying is, if these cops are human beings created in divine perfection, just as I am, then what has occured in the human family to cause them to make the choices that they have made? Please don't miss my point, because it is hard for me to articulate. What I am saying is, please be careful of simply summing up the fears, hopes, failings, and motivations of police officers as simply "evil". This furthers the divide between us. If we are going to build a new world, we will need those souls to join us. And we may need to show the way. These people have families, children, and hope for a better world. They are as much a victim as anyone else on the karmic level and I feel sorry for them because they will have to cope with the karma they are creating. I'd rather be me than them.

We can be upset, we can disapproave, we can protest, and we can oppose the injustice. But let's not dismiss these human beings as evil and objectify them. Consider this an invitation. Don't do to others on the psychic plane what you don't want them to do to you on the physical plane. Love your enemies and you won't have any.

Sorry if I sound preachy. This subject is close to home for me. And this isn't the clearest post I have ever made.

And by the way nobody gets upset faster at police abuses than I do. Believe me.

One more thing. I've seen my past lives. I've done horrible things. I eventually learned and grew. So it is with anyone. The way I have been taught is to see everyone involved manifested in divine perfection. This is the way to heal, forgive, and release. Thanks for reading.

noprophet
5th February 2011, 09:08
I've noticed an increase in police violence issues the past few months in my region.

In Seattle an old Indian guy was shot for having a knife. (he was a wood carver)

A friend of mine recently witnessed a few police in Everett pull some young, drunk, noisy woman back into an alley while one stood guard at the entrance. She was screaming and yelling drunk and disorderly and then suddenly - silence. He went over to say 'wtf' and they told him unless he wanted to join her he should mind his own business. He called the station the next day to report and they just laughed and said they weren't going to take his report.

I'm not for violence at all but I heard what RA Scion was saying when he said:

"Where'd the kids get guns at?
You wouldn't want to call it a come back."

mondaze
5th February 2011, 09:13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbO0f9uaWZE
bill hicks gives true perspective

Teakai
5th February 2011, 09:57
Yes, there has been a cultural shift within the police forces of the United States. I don't know what is happening elsewhere. Yes, we live in a corrupt judicial system that is not ultimately designed to serve the people. Maybe it was once, but it doesn't seem to be anymore. Yes, police officers have been given phsyical and legal powers to do things to us that are unfair, unethical, and savage. And they do those things.

Cops are also human beings. I know some very good cops who risk their lives every day and do everything they can to serve the public. I know people will say. "oh of course, we know that". But I don't think we do. It's frustrating for them to feel like the only press they get is bad press. I can understand that. I make a point of thanking these people because I believe the difference between the level of corruption in the United States and in Mexico is that these cops I know don't expect a bribe when they pull me over to give me a speeding ticket.

What I am saying is, if these cops are human beings created in divine perfection, just as I am, then what has occured in the human family to cause them to make the choices that they have made? Please don't miss my point, because it is hard for me to articulate. What I am saying is, please be careful of simply summing up the fears, hopes, failings, and motivations of police officers as simply "evil". This furthers the divide between us. If we are going to build a new world, we will need those souls to join us. And we may need to show the way. These people have families, children, and hope for a better world. They are as much a victim as anyone else on the karmic level and I feel sorry for them because they will have to cope with the karma they are creating. I'd rather be me than them.

We can be upset, we can disapproave, we can protest, and we can oppose the injustice. But let's not dismiss these human beings as evil and objectify them. Consider this an invitation. Don't do to others on the psychic plane what you don't want them to do to you on the physical plane. Love your enemies and you won't have any.

Sorry if I sound preachy. This subject is close to home for me. And this isn't the clearest post I have ever made.

And by the way nobody gets upset faster at police abuses than I do. Believe me.

One more thing. I've seen my past lives. I've done horrible things. I eventually learned and grew. So it is with anyone. The way I have been taught is to see everyone involved manifested in divine perfection. This is the way to heal, forgive, and release. Thanks for reading.

Hi Mystic Whisky - this thread isn't about generalising all police and putting them in the same basket, rather it's about shining the light on unacceptable behaviour and not allowing it to hide unseen in the shadows.

I imagine there are some decent guys and girls who are still in the police force, but, my feeling is that these days most of the decent cops aren't staying around because they can't stomach the crap and corruption that the police force has become.

This guy wanted to show his appreciation for the police, so he gave them a friendly smile. Here's an excerpt of his story:

"On the way back from picking up something at the grocery store, I was walking down the street I live on and a cop car drove past. I was in a good mood, and despite reading many a horrible story about police officers abusing their power I respect the police and understand the vast majority of police are pretty cool. So, I thought i'd 'share the love' and give them a big ol' flash of my pearly whites to thank them for keeping my neighbourhood safe.

The squad car immediately does a U-Turn and then turns right to cut me off as a cross a road. Both officers get out of the car...

Male Officer : Do you have any identification?

Me : Yes

Male Officer : Can I see it?

Me : Why?

Male Officer : Because I asked you for it."

The rest at http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=33454

Just to be clear, I didn't at any time say any of these police officers were evil, though their actions may be considered so, depending on one's definition of evil.

Lord Sidious
5th February 2011, 13:24
must be someting new they are teaching them in training , to empty the magazine

The concept before was the ''double tap'' where you fired two shots rapid which meant they would hit in almost the same spot.
Now, most orgs teach to keep shooting until the target drops.


Here the police push over a disabled woman in the middle of the street - and keep on walking. According to witnessess, this sort of police brutality isn't unusal.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVeLXWbA4Wc

They simply must be hiring people with very low IQ's and inferiority complexes.

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There seems to be an increase in a brutal mindset in the police and military.
Our culture is becoming increasingly violent, video games, tv, movies, media have all played a part in desensitising to violence.
The preference to use ranged weapons instead of restraining methods. Tazers are used more frequently but if he's got a weapon dont bother tazering just shoot him.
Human life means very little these days. If a policeman has you in his sights your not a human being your just a target. This is not police to protect and serve this is para-military.
It's not quite as bad in the UK at the moment but its getting that way. There is still a brutal mindset. Charles De Menenez was brutally killed by police after having been restrained and then a full clip was emptied into him.

I've read quite a few news stories where police are called for help - and then end up killing the person requiring assistance.
It's call the police at your own peril these days.

The police are like the armed forces, they want to recruit people within an iq band so that they are smart enough to be able to do the job, but not that smart that they question orders.
So yes, they do recruit people of lower iq.


It is easy to demonize police officers and make them the other. But after all, it is you and me.

No, they are not us when they behave this way, they are THEM.
They work for those that would enslave us and our descendants for all time, never forget that.
Whether they know that or not is irrelevant to the guy that gets a pavement sandwich for lunch.

I have told police here before, ''If you act like pigs, that is what I will call you. If you treat me with courtesy and respect, I will return that to you.''
Suffice to say, police here don't know how to deal with me and don't like to deal with me.
Because of the risk they present to my health and that of others and the corruption in the force here, I assume every cop is corrupt and then if he proves to me he isn't, then I give him the respect he deserves. I tell them that too.

Whiskey_Mystic
5th February 2011, 19:13
I imagine there are some decent guys and girls who are still in the police force, but, my feeling is that these days most of the decent cops aren't staying around because they can't stomach the crap and corruption that the police force has become.

I understand where you are coming from, but let's look at what you are saying. "corruption that the police force has become." This IS a generalization. There is no "police force". We do not have a national police force of any substance. We have thousands of municipal entities, each with it's own attitudes, culture, and internal poitics. The San Francisco PD and the LAPD are nothing alike. Do you see what I am saying here? We are creating an "us" vs. "them". We will never win that way. If we want to make this situation better instead of just complain and wallow in it, we have to start by looking at how WE think, and then take it forward into the realm of right action. I think for some people, simply hating the police is more fun and also helps people bond with each other against a common enemy. I've been guilty of that myself and I think it is human nature.




"On the way back from picking up something at the grocery store, I was walking down the street I live on and a cop car drove past. I was in a good mood, and despite reading many a horrible story about police officers abusing their power I respect the police and understand the vast majority of police are pretty cool. So, I thought i'd 'share the love' and give them a big ol' flash of my pearly whites to thank them for keeping my neighbourhood safe.

The squad car immediately does a U-Turn and then turns right to cut me off as a cross a road. Both officers get out of the car...

Male Officer : Do you have any identification?

Me : Yes

Male Officer : Can I see it?

Me : Why?

Male Officer : Because I asked you for it."


Similar things have happened to me. It feels violating for someone who has power over you to bully you. Especially when it is a violation of the trust we put in our police officers to protect us. I think this is why police are held to such a critical standard (and they should be) compared to the corruption everywhere in our society. It is more personal and it feels like betrayal because we put our trust in them.


I assume every cop is corrupt

This is also what some cops do to you. So look now you already have something in common. Some cops I know are racist because they deal with nonwhite criminals all day. They can't step outside of themselves and realize that they also deal with white criminals all day. Also, when people lie to you all day, you begin to assume that everyone is lying to you. And I know cops who do that too. They start to feel like other cops are the only people that they can trust.

One day I was broken down on the highway and a cop that I knew pulled over to help. He said "Give me a hug." I sad "Why?". He said, "Because no one out here is ever glad to see me."

Some cops once asked me if I ever wanted to be a cop. I said "no". Thay asked why. I said, "Because I can't control my temper the way you guys have to." Nowadays these guys go to elementary schools to give safety talks and little kids are saying "**** the poh-leese" while they are trying to give safety tips. I wouldn't want to protect and serve if that was me. But these guys keep doing it.

What's my solution? I don't think it is possible yet, but the change will have to come in the way we recruit and train police. That can't happen until we overcome the larger issues in our society and deal with the power structures that are pulling the strings behind the scenes. But until then we can stop buying into the paradigm given to us by those powers. They WANT you to hate and distrust cops. I can't stop distrusting them, but I refuse to hate them. I also think we need to have a seperate entity watchdog group that investigates claims of police abuse like Berkley has. That's a good idea.

Good topic. Thanks for participating.

Teakai
5th February 2011, 23:29
I understand where you are coming from, but let's look at what you are saying. "corruption that the police force has become." This IS a generalization. There is no "police force". We do not have a national police force of any substance. We have thousands of municipal entities, each with it's own attitudes, culture, and internal poitics. The San Francisco PD and the LAPD are nothing alike. Do you see what I am saying here? We are creating an "us" vs. "them". We will never win that way. If we want to make this situation better instead of just complain and wallow in it, we have to start by looking at how WE think, and then take it forward into the realm of right action. I think for some people, simply hating the police is more fun and also helps people bond with each other against a common enemy. I've been guilty of that myself and I think it is human nature.

Hi Whiskey Mystic – I don’t think I am creating a division. I am simply pointing out the behaviour.
If anyone is creating the ‘us and them’ it is those who are doing the behaviour which separates them from the rest of humanity via inhumane action.

I don’t know if you are aware that recently all the rules have changed – police are no longer there for the protection of the public and pretty soon all police are going to be brutal thugs because they will be the only one's who will be willing to do the job. Right now I think there may be some decent police still hanging in there – but not for long simply because decent people don’t partake in inhumane behaviour.

Whiskey_Mystic
5th February 2011, 23:35
decent people don’t partake in inhumane behaviour.

Well here we have identified a basic philosophical difference between us. I don't agree with this statement. Perhaps a good topic for another thread sometime.

Teakai
5th February 2011, 23:49
This is also what some cops do to you. So look now you already have something in common. Some cops I know are racist because they deal with nonwhite criminals all day. They can't step outside of themselves and realize that they also deal with white criminals all day. Also, when people lie to you all day, you begin to assume that everyone is lying to you. And I know cops who do that too. They start to feel like other cops are the only people that they can trust.

What's my solution? I don't think it is possible yet, but the change will have to come in the way we recruit and train police. That can't happen until we overcome the larger issues in our society and deal with the power structures that are pulling the strings behind the scenes. But until then we can stop buying into the paradigm given to us by those powers. They WANT you to hate and distrust cops. I can't stop distrusting them, but I refuse to hate them. I also think we need to have a seperate entity watchdog group that investigates claims of police abuse like Berkley has. That's a good idea.

Good topic. Thanks for participating.

The police are deliberately being hired and trained to be mindless thugs. To work for the state and not the rights of the individual.
It’s a tactic of the ‘ptb’ in their quest for a new world order, in which we, the public, are controlled and kept in line by these new line of police.

I guess some people will see this thread being about buying into the 'them V us' paradigm, but I don't see it that way. I see it as more of a wake up call.

All the videos posted here show disgusting police behaviour and this is where we’re headed if we just shut up and keep our heads down.
If we expose this behaviour, and wake people up to it in time – then we may make a difference before it’s too late.

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decent people don’t partake in inhumane behaviour.

Well here we have identified a basic philosophical difference between us. I don't agree with this statement. Perhaps a good topic for another thread sometime.

Maybe it depends on one's definition of decent?
I'm using the word decent as defined by the MacMillans dictionary meaning 2: "behaving towards other people in an honest, fair, and nice way."

Just so we're on the same page in regard to our meanings :)

Whiskey_Mystic
6th February 2011, 02:58
The police are deliberately being hired and trained to be mindless thugs. To work for the state and not the rights of the individual.
It’s a tactic of the ‘ptb’ in their quest for a new world order, in which we, the public, are controlled and kept in line by these new line of police.

I guess some people will see this thread being about buying into the 'them V us' paradigm, but I don't see it that way. I see it as more of a wake up call.

All the videos posted here show disgusting police behaviour and this is where we’re headed if we just shut up and keep our heads down.
If we expose this behaviour, and wake people up to it in time – then we may make a difference before it’s too late.[COLOR="red"]


I totally agree.

Peacelovinman
6th February 2011, 21:12
Anybody notice how more and more police in the UK are being dressed up like paramilitary thugs? They look very intimidating. I believe they now view the public as potential criminals, which is not surprising considering the amount of made up rules (i.e. statutes) they have to enforce rather than keep the peace and protect the public.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE8rfefPQ24

Lord Sidious
7th February 2011, 01:48
The Anti Terrorist is excellent. Thanks for posting.

John101
7th February 2011, 18:18
The police force is a business, corporation. We no longer have police officers. We now have policy officers enforcing the corporations policy.

Lord Sidious
7th February 2011, 19:03
Yeah, and they are fining people for breaches of contracts that they didn't even know they were in.

silentghost80
7th February 2011, 20:56
A policeman shoots a man dead in the middle of the street using multiple bullets, within seconds of telling him to put down a knife. Within seconds 3 squad cars and 2 cycle police arrive on the scene.

Is this total overkill (no pun intended) in more ways in one?
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with these cops? Is this the result of too much coffee and doughnuts - or some kind of mind manipulation being used on a soft mind?

How does any thinking, normal human being do such a thing in cold blood? It's not like he acted in self defense.

Extract: At about 3:00, a voice (probably Birk’s) says, “Yeah, I am okay. He had the knife open.” (The investigation has since said that police found the knife closed.)

At 5:10, another officer can be heard telling Birk, “You did the right thing. Hang in there, Ian.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcxqyp2wOzE&feature=player_embedded

Source: http://www.infowars.com/how-long-does-it-take-a-cop-to-kill-an-innocent-man-8-seconds/

wel thats pigs for you ,thats what we call them here