Spiritual Practices For Becoming Financially Independent / Self Sufficient & Enabled

[arthurwhite]

Blessings, love, light, peace, joy , health, wealth, prosperity:

I am new here.

2: I realize that perhaps de-t is a form of a quantitative expression of one's "s-ns"? I know we are all innocent and remain so no matter our act (ref. Nagle, Plato) . Nonetheless , I am working on removing all s-nful thoughts and practices and engaging in r-pentance (p-nance etc.). I know I am innocent and I know God is light , love & forgiveness but I kind of could not suffer any more and began p-nitential practices (it would be great if we all remained ever youthful in body and spirit/innocence and did not suffer).

I attended a sermon and the cleric said that if you consume "interest" on wealth then the wealth does not exactly enlarge. I don't have much beyond maybe in my savings account , on which I earn non-reportable amounts of interest.

The cleric also asked to give to charity (which I do to panhandlers and various houses of worship ). I was asked to work hard and save money . I used to be able to work hard ... but find both difficult now.

I also find that despite my ivy league education (grad work and grad degrees and work experience in fields that are in highest of demand) I am yet to attract offers and work I am interested in (or even something I am able to embark upon/ without an "inner voice" sowing thoughts in my mind and discouraging me from accepting even the not so desirable employment). I find that despite my field of study I cannot seem to escape certain unpleasant employers (in my POV) contacting me (completely unrelated to my study) and those relevant to my field of study do not seem very interested, perhaps.

I am rather un comfortable with my present level of de-t and my present state of non wealth. It is incorrect that first the spiritual att-cks happen , things go wrong , people are forced to s-n (against their will or in their sleep etc.) and they are then rid-culed , called s-nners and subjected to non wealth and non independence. This is in-equity perhaps.

It is written in the Bible that wealth brings many friends/lovers and the not so wealthy are not dear even to the near & dear ones. I believe everyone has the right to blessings and wealth without non-joy (and without any non-positive unwholesome attachments to the wealth) -as mentioned in the Bible. This wealth so we may live virtuously, ponder over the best of ideas and allow self and others to enjoy the ideal lifestyle. I believe none deserve to be without wealth and freedom for it is lack of wealth and freedom which lead to non virtue. I never worried about wealth but pr-vation may lead to pondering over wealth...

Thank you in advance and blessings and joy and love and prosperity for all!

p.s. this is my first post, it says I have made three posts in my profile, which is rather in accurate

[Spiral]

I think you haz two problems, one is with vowels,the other is with the type of (so called) Christianity you subscribe to, which has a very strange slant on things.

Please someone tell me this is PA & not the Disclose TV facebook page :shocked:

[ThePythonicCow]

p.s. this is my first post, it says I have made three posts in my profile, which is rather in accurate
You do have three posts so far:

Your Membership Request (which only the moderators can see),
your post on Bill Ryan's Welcome thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7225-Welcome-to-Avalon-), and
this post above, to which I am replying.

So, yes, only one regular post, but still three total, thanks to the other two special case posts.

[arthurwhite]

I think you haz two problems, one is with vowels,the other is with the type of (so called) Christianity you subscribe to, which has a very strange slant on things.

Please someone tell me this is PA & not the Disclose TV facebook page :shocked:


Whats "PA"?
Whats "Disclose TV fb page"?
Googling either yielded no definitive answer.
Why are you writing so "you haz two problems"? which ethnicity do you mistake me for?
I have deliberately omitted some letters (vowels) because I did not want to write any non positive words.
I love the UK and Churchill but how is a spiritual website with the image of love (albeit nonwhite) like this ok with such non-loving images ?

[Spiral]

I think you haz two problems, one is with vowels,the other is with the type of (so called) Christianity you subscribe to, which has a very strange slant on things.

Please someone tell me this is PA & not the Disclose TV facebook page :shocked:


Whats "PA"?
Whats "Disclose TV fb page"?
Googling either yielded no definitive answer.
Why are you writing so "you haz two problems"? which ethnicity do you mistake me for?
I have deliberately omitted some letters (vowels) because I did not want to write any non positive words.
I love the UK and Churchill but how is a spiritual website with the image of love (albeit nonwhite) like this ok with such non-loving images ?


PA is here, Project Avalon

Disclose TV has a facebook page with about 96k members, nearly all are a can short of a six pack & I thought you might kinda fit in ;)

Vowels are really quite helpful to those of us that didn't grow up as pre common era rabinical scholars btw.

The UK is the seat of much evil, they just do a good job of making it look otherwise, Churchill was very interested in (re) writing history, & was not a nice man, look up Gallipoli & how he fitted up Bomber Harris.

I don't get ethnic stuff because I'm autistic, its like paint on a car to me, the rest I don't get either.

[Innocent Warrior]

Spiral, keep the discussion respectful please.

Arthur, welcome to Avalon. About the vowels, leaving them out gave the opposite effect for me as I hovered over those words a moment longer to fill in the gaps.

[Bill Ryan]

About the vowels, leaving them out gave the opposite effect for me as I hovered over those words a moment longer to fill in the gaps.

Yes. It merely emphasizes the words.

[arthurwhite]

Arthur, welcome to Avalon. About the vowels, leaving them out gave the opposite effect for me as I hovered over those words a moment longer to fill in the gaps.

Blessings, peace, love , joy , light and kindness.
May Australia (and all the lands) be blessed as Albion and Scandinavia with snow fall and grass and flowers and rivers and lakes of crystal clear waters ...
I will try harder to avoid using non-positive words.

Blessings and peace and every goodness for all.
p.s. I believe personal non-pacifism (detracting from the issues at hand and then making personal observations about posters ) is supposed to be unacceptable everywhere on the net (it is part of the net etiquette that people ought to revolve around issues and not on making non positive personal observations). I believe project avalon may have such rules as well, perhaps?


The UK is the seat of much non-good, they just do a good job of making it look otherwise, Churchill was very interested in (re) writing history, & was not a nice man, look up Gallipoli & how he fitted up ---- Harris.

I adore Churchill and his narration of our history and the people he sided with as well as the UK and the House of Windsor (Tudor & Orange) too perhaps. I believe some may have an incorrect perception of some folk.

[Bill Ryan]

I will try harder to avoid using non-positive words.



I'd suggest that if someone is very reluctant to write the word 'debt' (for instance), then that implies that they're afraid of it, and may have a lot of attention on it.

Debt is debt. It's real — for very many people. For someone in debt to face the reality of their situation, and therefore deal with it, they have to look at it square in the eye.

If one owes money, avoiding the word, the concept and the thought of 'debt' will not help, at all... in my strong opinion.

If you stand in the highway, with a truck heading straight for you, and close your eyes and say: "There is no truck. There is no truck. There is no truck" ... it'll hit you anyway.

Life is at least partly about taking smart action to avoid those trucks... and that means opening one's eyes and telling the truth about reality.

[arthurwhite]

I will try harder to avoid using non-positive words.



I'd suggest that if someone is very reluctant to write the word 'non-equity' (for instance), then that implies that they're afraid of it, and may have a lot of attention on it.

non-equity is non-equity. It's real — for very many people. For someone in non-equity to face the reality of their situation, and therefore deal with it, they have to look at it square in the eye.

If one owes money, avoiding the word, the concept and the thought of 'non-equity' will not help, at all... in my strong opinion.

If you stand in the highway, with a non-beautiful-vehicle heading straight for you, and close your eyes and say: "There is no non-beautiful-vehicle. There is no non-beautiful-vehicle. There is no non-beautiful-vehicle" ... it'll non-love you anyway.

Life is at least partly about taking smart action to avoid those non-beautiful-vehicle... and that means opening one's eyes and telling the truth about reality.

Thank you . I used to be able to face reality (and still can), then the beautiful, fair, unforgettable Irish folk loved me and I guess I am no longer able to confront some non positive aspects of life.

[Bill Ryan]

I will try harder to avoid using non-positive words.



I'd suggest that if someone is very reluctant to write the word 'non-equity' (for instance), then that implies that they're afraid of it, and may have a lot of attention on it.

non-equity is non-equity. It's real — for very many people. For someone in non-equity to face the reality of their situation, and therefore deal with it, they have to look at it square in the eye.

If one owes money, avoiding the word, the concept and the thought of 'non-equity' will not help, at all... in my strong opinion.

If you stand in the highway, with a non-beautiful-vehicle heading straight for you, and close your eyes and say: "There is no non-beautiful-vehicle. There is no non-beautiful-vehicle. There is no non-beautiful-vehicle" ... it'll non-love you anyway.

Life is at least partly about taking smart action to avoid those non-beautiful-vehicle... and that means opening one's eyes and telling the truth about reality.

Thank you . I used to be able to face reality (and still can), then the beautiful, fair, unforgettable Irish folk loved me and I guess I am no longer able to deal with some non positive aspects of life.

Wow. Trucks are VERY beautiful. And so are truckers. We depend on them. They bring the food you eat to the stores. If all trucks were to suddenly disappear, we'd be in very deep trouble.

I'll say this here: (and I wonder what you may change my quoted words to say :) )

I think you may have a serious problem concerning denial.

The first quality one needs when manifesting — manifesting anything! — is courage.

[arthurwhite]

...The first quality one needs when manifesting — manifesting anything! — is courage.

Thank you.
It would be nice if I had (more) courage (all people did and above all not merely courage but the highest of virtues).
I apologize for editing your words but I did not think the thread would veer into such imagery.
...
p.s. perhaps I can visualize a world where the vehicles are beautiful and run on electricity (entirely benign and not on some non refined derivative of fossil fuels). I can visualize a world where people are perfectly groomed like gentlemen and have soft hands and virtuous words and thoughts only upon their lips ...

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Hello arthurwhite,

My experience and reality model differ from yours. I have been wealthy and I have been impoverished. I'll probably be both again, if not in this life then in another.

There's nothing wrong with wealth, save that it can cause distraction. Likewise, poverty itself is not a barrier to growth and enlightenment. Many spiritual traditions renounce possessions altogether in order to remove distraction or to completely let go of desire. The sadhus of India or the hermit traditions of China, for example. Closer to your own tradition, the Franciscans emulated the asceticism of St. Francis. You might recall Jesus saying something about rich men, camels, and the eye of a needle.

There are many paths up the mountain. I've seen nothing in life that indicates that a particular income level is required for the ascent.

You mentioned your specific employment dilemma. Probably everyone on this forum has done work they weren't excited about at some point. It's not the rest of your life, it's just necessary sometimes to put food in the belly. I know someone who once found a Tibetan master flipping burgers at a roadside stand. The Master had recently immigrated to the US and needed funds. His ego had no response to the situation. He just did what was necessary at the time.

What is truly preventing you from accepting employment? Is it that life isn't meeting your expectation?

What is your dream? What is your mission and purpose? This is what we call your "baby". You are the parent who will give birth to your dreams. So then, do what needs to be done to feed the baby.



“If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.”
– Mark Twain

[arthurwhite]

Hello arthurwhite,
My experience and reality model differ from yours. I have been wealthy and I have been impoverished. I'll probably be both again, if not in this life then in another.
There's nothing wrong with wealth, save that it can cause distraction. Likewise, poverty itself is not a barrier to growth and enlightenment. Many spiritual traditions renounce possessions altogether in order to remove distraction or to completely let go of desire. The sadhus of India or the hermit traditions of China, for example. Closer to your own tradition, the Franciscans emulated the asceticism of St. Francis. You might recall Jesus saying something about rich men, camels, and the eye of a needle.
There are many paths up the mountain. I've seen nothing in life that indicates that a particular income level is required for the ascent.
You mentioned your specific employment dilemma. Probably everyone on this forum has done work they weren't excited about at some point. It's not the rest of your life, it's just necessary sometimes to put food in the belly. I know someone who once found a Tibetan master flipping burgers at a roadside stand. The Master had recently immigrated to the US and needed funds. His ego had no response to the situation. He just did what was necessary at the time.
What is truly preventing you from accepting employment? Is it that life isn't meeting your expectation?
What is your dream? What is your mission and purpose? This is what we call your "baby". You are the parent who will give birth to your dreams. So then, do what needs to be done to feed the baby.
“If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.”
– Mark Twain

I am interested in the joyous and most correct most virtuous path (by definition the easiest path; because virtue is easy and non-virtue non-easy). If life is a "journey" according to some then recommend the most easy, most heavenly , most plentiful, most enjoyable path.
Thanks to all the responders for any spiritual solutions to these problems , clerics included.
Amazing.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I am interested in the joyous and most correct most virtuous path (by definition the easiest path; because virtue is easy and non-virtue non-easy). If life is a "journey" according to some then recommend the most easy, most heavenly , most plentiful, most enjoyable path.

Well, there's the thing, right? We each have different challenges to face. Different classes that we have enrolled in. And the most joyous path may not be the most virtuous. The most plentiful may not be the most enjoyable. The most easy may not be the most plentiful.

But it's not all a riddle. We've all chosen to be here, I think, and we did so for a reason. But not the same reason for everyone. Bill once gave a good lesson on finding your purpose. He said that when you find the thing that gives you energy to do it, that's the thing. Maybe he'll elaborate here. It was one of the most important lessons I ever heard.

I'm recommending two things for you since you are asking. Foundational homework to help you get started.



First, I'm pointing you to a video I pointed everyone else to recently. It's this interview with Bill here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97805-Let-s-Revisit-this-Interview-with-Bill&p=1154238#post1154238


You might find it useful.


Second, I recommend Sukhavati by Joseph Campbell. It's a kind of foundational spiritual primer. No matter your tradition, you'll find a basis for further exploration of the kinds of questions you are asking. You can find it on Amazon or pieces of it on youtube.

If you're not familiar with Campbell, he's the scholar of mythology whose teachings formed much of the inspiration for Lucas writing Star Wars.

Here is a nibble of Campbell talking about your life's purpose.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLKUFYAOoRI

[Mike]

Unfortunately, on our journey to do the things we want to do, we often have to do things we don't want to do.

I think you may find that the "spiritual" solution to the problem is the most challenging actually. It's interesting to me that you would assume otherwise.

You make a few interesting assumptions actually, one being that lust is an "attack". Lust is pretty normal, especially when you're engaged in some mind numbing office job...the mind will tend to wander there. I assure you, it's quite common. It sounds to me like you've constructed quite an elaborate spiritual drama in your head...when in reality it appears that you're just bored and horny. Good news is, you're not alone. Welcome to the world my friend.

However, if you insist that lust isn't virtuous, and you wish to continue to suppress it, I might suggest that this wealth and freedom you seek will only result in more of it!...for obvious reasons.

Your thinking is....interesting:)

[arthurwhite]

I am interested in the joyous and most correct most virtuous path (by definition the easiest path; because virtue is easy and non-virtue non-easy). If life is a "journey" according to some then recommend the most easy, most heavenly , most plentiful, most enjoyable path.

Well, there's the thing, right? We each have different challenges to face. Different classes that we have enrolled in. And the most joyous path may not be the most virtuous. The most plentiful may not be the most enjoyable. The most easy may not be the most plentiful. ....He said that when you find the thing that gives you energy to do it, that's the thing.

That would be your world view (for you and yours). That is not what I ascribe to and that is not what the Bible says.
Life is not a "school" or class for me- for you maybe but not for me or mine.
If one cannot lead correctly then must one mis - lead ?
If one cannot reform without harm then must one harm in an attempt to reform?

If someone is energetic in acts of impeity then is that the right act?
If someone is energetic in an a profession that de-grades is indignified (for self and others) and non-good for the body / mind or health is that right?
If someone is energetic and forced into a profession that is not the highest, noblest or acceptable to the professor then is that profession / work right?

If you want to do something unpleasant to get to your goal then so be it. Kindly do not assume others should , (nor assume that everyone does) , nor be upset with others if they obtain their goals without the unpleasantness.



Here is a nibble of Campbell talking about y-ur life's purpose.

Again, this your and Mr. Campbell's POV perhaps. Kindly do not use "your" . Mr. Campbell and you perhaps are unfamiliar with my life's purpose.
Did my previous words of kindness cause you to assume that you may become so familiar with me?
Is this the kind of "courage" that you have?
What unkindness contained propel folk to pay it forward so ?
Why even contain and cause the persistence / existence of such unkindness?
I encourage you and all particularly those seemingly kind (and benevolent in holy settings) to be overtly unkind rather than to use subtler methods in order to avoid a moderator's attention?

I recall how at times when doing something mundane I would be possesed with bouts of unhappiness towards a certain religion/ civilization / group of peoples (the good Roman Catholics). I atleast recognize that such a strong emotion was not me and was something directed at (inculcated within) me.

[arthurwhite]

However, if you insist that lust isn't virtuous, and you wish to continue to suppress it, I might suggest that this wealth and freedom you seek will only result in more of it!...for obvious reasons.


I do not have to "supress" lust . It is a spiritual att-ck which I can sense and feel (like a wave). I know the direction of it and the part of the body where it lands.
I would think people here at Project Avalon would know what I am talking about.
Wealth and freedom do not result in more of what is non good.
The Bible says wealth and prosperity are the result of the blessings of the Lord most high. The Lord gives wealth without any effort on our part and He adds no non-virtue to this blessing. The Bible says that wealth brings us friends while non-wealth estranges even the blood relations.
The Greeks call non-wealth the mother of non virtue.
When wealthy(er) and free(er) I was more secure against impious thoughts.
What you say might hold true for you. Not for me, and the people I care about.
It is strange that I have to go over the basics in a post with answers that contain such astoundingly basic inaccuracies.

Please if any are non benign kindly refrain from reading my posts or responding or heeding me.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

When you ask a question, you might receive an answer. What you do with it is entirely up to you. But I would suggest that in order to hear the answer to any question, you must first let go of what you think the answer should be. Else why ask? Blessings to you as you seek your answers. _()_

[arthurwhite]

When you ask a question, you might receive an answer. What you do with it is entirely up to you. But I would suggest that in order to hear the answer to any question, you must first let go of what you think the answer should be. Else why ask? Blessings to you as you seek your answers. _()_

Perhaps its not upto folk to ask and certainly not upto folk to receive. Perhaps because perhaps we live in a world not entirely known to us (ref. Nagle) which renders us innocent from the day we are born and innocent even when we are incorrect (for we are not omniscient).
But I try nonetheless to receive what is good (unless something alarming makes me defensive; I will review your responses when less alarmed).
May we all be rightly guided.
Blessings and peace and all that is good.

[Innocent Warrior]

Arthur, you have misunderstood Whisky_Mystic, he is not being unkind, the absolute opposite actually, and I'm not saying that for any other reason than to point out there's no reason to feel like he's being unkind to you. A suggestion; if you don't know others' intent then ask, making assumptions with a combative attitude is not the path of least resistance, nor will it prove productive.

[Mike]

However, if you insist that lust isn't virtuous, and you wish to continue to suppress it, I might suggest that this wealth and freedom you seek will only result in more of it!...for obvious reasons.


I do not have to "supress" lust . It is a spiritual att-ck which I can sense and feel (like a wave). I know the direction of it and the part of the body where it lands.
I would think people here at Project Avalon would know what I am talking about.
Wealth and freedom do not result in more of what is non good.
The Bible says wealth and prosperity are the result of the blessings of the Lord most high. The Lord gives wealth without any effort on our part and He adds no non-virtue to this blessing. The Bible says that wealth brings us friends while non-wealth estranges even the blood relations.
The Greeks call non-wealth the mother of non virtue.
When wealthy(er) and free(er) I was more secure against impious thoughts.
What you say might hold true for you. Not for me, and the people I care about.
It is strange that I have to go over the basics in a post with answers that contain such astoundingly basic inaccuracies.

Please if any are non benign kindly refrain from reading my posts or responding or heeding me.




The Bible says alot of things. It might be prudent to ask yourself how * you* feel about such things..instead of seeking an external source.

Good luck in your hopefully non bad journey. I'll leave you to it amigo

[arthurwhite]

Arthur, you have misunderstood Whisky_Mystic, he is not being unkind, the absolute opposite actually, and I'm not saying that for any other reason than to point out there's no reason to feel like he's being unkind to you. A suggestion; if you don't know others' intent then ask, making assumptions with a combative attitude is not the path of least resistance, nor will it prove productive.

Some of the things some of the people have written are alarming to say the least.
If this is what passes for kindness, I must admit I do feel defensive because I notice a completely different ambiance compared to what I have seen amongst people who are spiritual (or even in civilized settings) ... even in other threads on this forum. I would like to believe you Ms even though I have observed that it is not a kind outlook that some espouse.
May God forgive me my non-virtuous acts/thoughts.



The Bible says alot of things. It might be prudent to ask yourself how * you* feel about such things..instead of seeking an external source.
Good luck in your hopefully non bad journey. I'll leave you to it am---

I agree with most of the sublime parts of the Bible.
I am grateful for the love for the good book that the Lord Most High has given me.

I use the term "non good" to indicate that which is "not good" . I do not use the term "b-d" because I wish to avoid using non positive words atleast in my vocabulary.
You are doing the exact opposite: using words with non positive connotations to indicate that which is good.

Why would someone with such clear unfriendliness bother to respond? I know I would not resort to such unfriendly behavior. And after writing so why then sign off with "am-go"? Kindly do not assume we are the same ethnicity...
What may I have done to this gentleman is beyond me.
My apologies (despite it all) and thank you for responding.
If people think that such behavior is normal or kind amongst a spiritual people (or even gentlemen or civilized peoples) then that is perhaps surprising.
I have unfortunately observed such lack of kindness amongst people who have been thoroughly un loved in military establishments.
I did not advocate such unkind reactions towards anyone in my life (I rather admire and love the military , though not some of its products).
If I advocated anything it was betterment and protection and service of peoples (through Law Enforcement Agencies and the military) but never unkindness.

[Innocent Warrior]

Arthur, you have misunderstood Whisky_Mystic, he is not being unkind, the absolute opposite actually, and I'm not saying that for any other reason than to point out there's no reason to feel like he's being unkind to you. A suggestion; if you don't know others' intent then ask, making assumptions with a combative attitude is not the path of least resistance, nor will it prove productive.

Some of the things some of the people have written are alarming to say the least.
If this is what passes for kindness, I must admit I do feel defensive because I notice a completely different ambiance compared to what I have seen amongst people who are spiritual (or even in civilized settings) ... even in other threads on this forum. I would like to believe you Ms even though I have observed that it is not a kind outlook that some espouse.
May God forgive me my non-virtuous acts/thoughts.

Well it's up to you what you make of your interactions with others, nobody gets to choose that but you. We all perceive through the filter of our own view as individuals.

In my view, God adores you, Arthur, always will, no matter what, no forgiveness necessary.

Much love to you. :flower:

[Eram]

Hi arthurwhite and welcome to project avalon.

Have you ever entertained the idea that there might be an "ivory tower" component to your life- and worldviews that limit your ability to attract financial independence, self sufficiency and "being able" to the point that it becomes almost impossible to achieve it?
From what I read in your posts, you seem to have an extreme idealistic view on how people should live and behave and from what I've learned through personal experience, such a mindset can only result in (often unconsciously) pushing away exactly that which you say to seek, namely: prosperity.

The cause for this is that to aim for such ideals in the way that you show in your posts, you must reject and judge reality, since reality is far from the ideal picture that you hold in your mind.
That's just the way things work in life.
Reality is where prosperity is to be found and collected (go to work every day, deal with the (perceived) injustices that you come in contact with in your work, deal with a annoying boss etc), so if you are unwilling to "lower" yourself and get dirty, ...far away from the ideal picture that you hold in your mind, then you kind of shut the door to any of what you wish for.

The solution to your problems lie in untying the knot that your have created in your mind, not in trying to find a niche in the very exclusive conditions that you have set up for yourself in my strong opinion.

Climb down the ivory tower, burn it and role up your sleeves. :)

I hope you don't take offence in my directness.
I feel for you and the situation that you are in.
I've been tied up in a somewhat similar knot for many years and spending time on project avalon has helped me much in untying that knot.

[arthurwhite]

Some of the things some of the people have written are alarming to say the least.
If this is what passes for kindness, I must admit I do feel defensive because I notice a completely different ambiance compared to what I have seen amongst people who are spiritual (or even in civilized settings) ... even in other threads on this forum. I would like to believe you Ms even though I have observed that it is not a kind outlook that some espouse.
May God forgive me my non-virtuous acts/thoughts.
Well it's up to you what you make of your interactions with others, nobody gets to choose that but you. We all perceive through the filter of our own view as individuals.
In my view, God adores you, Arthur, always will, no matter what, no forgiveness necessary.
Much love to you. :flower:

Some things are perception indeed.
Other things are just people being subtle, being unkind but hiding the unfriendliness with micro non-pacifisms.
If someone attends church some of the elderly may resort to subtle non-pacifisms because they are supposed to be polite but on the inside they are not entirely benign.
The subtle non-pacifisms were / are practiced by the dis-empowered classes (namely the fairer sex) .
They resort to indirect, subtle cues and messages because they may not be openly unfriendly.
I am sure Spiral, Mike & Whiskey have nothing to fear and can openly be unfriendly rather than hide it with passive-non-pacifist references in Spanish & beer & alleged dichotomy of life .
I have noticed this being performed by some men even (some of the beer-drinking variety).
It is not merely a matter of perception at that point.
It becomes more of : why do such unhappy folk exist? and proceed to spread their message of non-good news.

Thank you for your restatement of what many Christians have told me repeatedly "God loves/adores".
There was a person with a medal at a religious institution.
I asked him what the medal was for , he said he was tasked with evangelizing to Australians and given medals for evangelizing to Australians (saving them by teaching them about Christianity).
I complimented him and the conversation drifted to how "people in Australia and the Mid East & Asia deserve a white christmas too" (referring to the need for lakes and snowfall and rivers)
The medal winner said in response "Well they do have white hot sands for christmas" and smiled too.
I did not say anything then but such a statement though it seems innocuous is in reality a high non pacifism.
It is not about perception, I hope everyone sees that.
If you tell these people that to wish "white hot sands" for a people is unkind they are likely to say "Oh but the heat and the deserts are beautiful"
or "you have to take the good with the bad".
None deserve such unkindness not the people ok with it (espouse it) , nor the people who have to live with it.
To many people who do not have a sense of what is pleasant / good / aesthetic such a statement would seem harmless and even a compliment when it is not.
I wanted to say that when it comes to Australians I have advocated for the best lifestyle , a European lifestyle and better for them and for all the people
of the world , including self (whether any realize it or not, whether any imagine a better life for themselves or not).
God loves and adores and that is lovely.
It would be lovely if His creation also adored one another :
Adore (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o6qzuc9PZw)
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[arthurwhite]

Hi arthurwhite and welcome to project avalon.

Have you ever entertained the idea that there might be an "ivory tower" component to your life- and worldviews that limit your ability to attract financial independence, self sufficiency and "being able" to the point that it becomes almost impossible to achieve it?
From what I read in your posts, you seem to have an extreme idealistic view on how people should live and behave and from what I've learned through personal experience, such a mindset can only result in (often unconsciously) pushing away exactly that which you say to seek, namely: prosperity.

The cause for this is that to aim for such ideals in the way that you show in your posts, you must reject and judge reality, since reality is far from the ideal picture that you hold in your mind.
That's just the way things work in life.
Reality is where prosperity is to be found and collected (go to work every day, deal with the (perceived) injustices that you come in contact with in your work, deal with a annoying boss etc), so if you are unwilling to "lower" yourself and get dirty, ...far away from the ideal picture that you hold in your mind, then you kind of shut the door to any of what you wish for.

The solution to your problems lie in untying the knot that your have created in your mind, not in trying to find a niche in the very exclusive conditions that you have set up for yourself in my strong opinion.

Climb down the ivory tower, burn it and role up your sleeves. :)

I hope you don't take offence in my directness.
I feel for you and the situation that you are in.
I've been tied up in a somewhat similar knot for many years and spending time on project avalon has helped me much in untying that knot.

It is written that the word of the Lord is a strong tower, the righteous run to it and are safe.
I adore my Lord and because I love the Lord I ofcourse love Netherlands as well (William of Orange I and III are my favorites).
Perhaps we can have our fair towers and help everyone ascend to their own towers ?

[arthurwhite]

Hello arthurwhite,
What is truly preventing you from accepting employment? Is it that life isn't meeting your expectation?


This is a long conversation. During the interviews I feel spiritual att-cks (strange thing is that they are due to something a patron did, I am suffering on behalf of other people's incorrect acts! that is unfair and just incorrect... I don't even like this patron and have spent time trying to avoid this person and his patronage ) Despite what happens during the interviews but due to my qualifications I still get an offer then the real stuff begins. I suffer from non-aligned thoughts and non-clarity and an inner voice that exhorts me not to accept the offer and to continue with my studies relying on the patron etc.
The interviews and job offers perhaps don't help (they are for positions that are not so desirable and the interviewer - atleast one of them is nearly always rather impolite and thoroughly unprofessional or usually does something outrageously undignified; which I know for sure should not happen in a professional setting because I have some work experience ...).
I have spent most of my life doing and learning things I dislike (so I am comfortable with doing things I dislike doing)... and even though I don't think of how much I dislike the line of work I do prepare a matrix of pros and cons and usually the cons win out. The impolite people offering me the job act like they are doing me a favor (with some even adopting a not so nice tone) which makes it easy to turn them down ...



What is your dream? What is your mission and purpose? This is what we call your "baby". You are the parent who will give birth to your dreams. So then, do what needs to be done to feed the baby.


Strange, that this is the part of the post that I was immediately attracted to first and then I got side tracked and completely forgot about these sentences and thought you were not being friendly.
I am still unsure about the motivations but I will continue with this.
I asked about my life's purpose and I was kindly blessed with a vision (despite something usually blocking it).
To put it briefly when I asked for my purpose in life I was shown a vision which to put it indirectly depicted a great part of the kingdom of heaven.
Now my immediate reaction to the vision was that the way to bring about this kingdom of heaven would probably be in line with my education (I would use my education and everyone would get their Kingdom of Heaven); it was a rather human / practical (maybe even not exactly far sighted, expedient, spiritual etc.) approach. but since then I have learned a little bit .
What I have learned also is that I am unsure if I am exactly upto this incredibly amazing and beautiful and lovely and precious task (I pray that even my non friends are into bringing about the kingdom of heaven because I am unsure if I may bring it about with some people being not into it or sulking about it, because its supposed to be heavenly) .
Although I am deeply honored by this small part of a task I would much rather be beautiful and wealthy and live and love and enjoy life and not have to bring about the Kingdom of Heaven , perhaps?
Really, no blasphemy intended I feel that God and His angels may do that, perhaps? I am perhaps not good at, do not have the right environment, do not have the support or the learning, or the financial cushion or ambiance for it, perhaps?
Though I have been taught in my moment of distress I would much rather keep a channel open and have some hand holding and just conclude this task and move on with living life... it is like a chronic unfinished business, perhaps?
And the people who oppose me are not exactly a handful and not exactly weak & perhaps more knowledgeable (but misunderstand me) . Even my friends don't recognize me, and I perhaps don't recognize my friends or my non friends. (as a result I like to think everyone is my friend)
Since then I may have lost, like lost some hair on my head and suffered from some unpleasant acne scars, perhaps?
And I may have perhaps lost control of myself maybe, which would be fine if during the loss of control I was only benign to self and others but ...
I am supposed to "practice" actually which is odd (because perhaps I should be a natural at this if I am perhaps meant for this?)
and maybe even if I don't need practice (and I may be good at it, I still don't have that sense of security or the feeling of being independent, perhaps).
And instead I am impatient and not-elegant about it and at times even filled with some unhappiness (or something);
I mean I don't want to make this a habit ("practice"?), it should be do it once and it happens and comes about, right?
More like God /angels please do it once and I just want to enjoy heaven , please.
Why should one need to "practice" ?
but perhaps this is all a major distraction from the main topic which is for me to become independent enough ; so I may be at ease and do this perhaps elegantly without inconveniencing anyone for I love even the d-vil and my non-friends and cannot bear to see anyone inconvenienced; (when I am myself, which is most of the time).
The idea is to get some distance from my loved ones who are perhaps not exactly enjoying this, and to then just make this happen, perhaps? so I can get back to living and loving and going out on dates and making movies and music and an enjoyable wholesome awesome life with plenty and beauty and love; I don't really know .... I like certain kinds of peoples who are kind, generous, loving and into the Kingdom of Heaven etc.

So you abundance and independence from the incompatible folk & just living and loving and enjoying life and being beautiful and being around everyone who is beautiful sounds more like my purpose in life , perhaps?

Anyways the point of this whole post is how to become financially independent really so we may live and love and prosper... apologies for the digression.

[ErtheVessel]

I'd like to suggest that "financial independence and living in abundance might be very different things. For me, financial independence implies a kind of separation from the world - a desire to be done with the complexities and unpredictability of humanity and daily life. There is no spiritual way out of this that I know of other than becoming a monk, and that entails a vow of poverty, not financial independence.

Living in abundance, on the other hand, implies a mature spiritual understanding that we are an integral part of All That Is, including endless interdependence and relational interaction. Within the mindset of abundance one understands that "whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

That being said, the best spiritual practice I know of for abundance is to bless, continually, all the abundance you actually have in your life already. Bless any abundance you see around you that gives you joy. And with your thoughts and words of blessing you need to also feel the joy and appreciation and happiness inside of you.

Good luck to you, arthurwhite.

[arthurwhite]

Living in abundance, on the other hand, implies a mature spiritual understanding that we are an integral part of All That Is, including endless interdependence and relational interaction. Within the mindset of abundance one understands that "whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

That being said, the best spiritual practice I know of for abundance is to bless, continually, all the abundance you actually have in your life already. Bless any abundance you see around you that gives you joy. And with your thoughts and words of blessing you need to also feel the joy and appreciation and happiness inside of you.

Good luck to you, arthurwhite.
Thank you,
How do you bless ? Do you say "God(?/I?)Bless this xyz item or house, perhaps I may be glad to have a house of my own with a swimming pool with ionized water; and a tool workshop; air strip; dock yard and surrounding 10 miles of well-kept grounds "?

[ErtheVessel]

Thanks for your question, arthurwhite. For me, blessing is more the feelings than the words. If I am blessing abundance, I focus on the things that make me feel abundant. For instance, if I have money in my wallet, I might simply say to myself, "Bless this wonderful money in my wallet that helps me buy the things I need and want" AND at the same time I call up the feeling inside of me of pleasure and joy and happiness that I feel when I have those things that I need and want. Blessing is a feeling state in my body of gratitude and appreciation for those things - an expectant joy and trust.

The same goes for things I see outside of me that I would like to have in my own life. Blessing the beauty or utility of something and feeling the joy it must be giving to the person who owns it and the happiness I would feel to also own it. This is a very different mindset from envy or "covetousness." When I bless what others have, there is a possibility that there is enough for all, including me.

Hope that makes sense.

[arthurwhite]

Thanks for your question, arthurwhite. For me, blessing is more the feelings than the words. If I am blessing abundance, I focus on the things that make me feel abundant. For instance, if I have money in my wallet, I might simply say to myself, "Bless this wonderful money in my wallet that helps me buy the things I need and want" AND at the same time I call up the feeling inside of me of pleasure and joy and happiness that I feel when I have those things that I need and want. Blessing is a feeling state in my body of gratitude and appreciation for those things - an expectant joy and trust.

The same goes for things I see outside of me that I would like to have in my own life. Blessing the beauty or utility of something and feeling the joy it must be giving to the person who owns it and the happiness I would feel to also own it. This is a very different mindset from envy or "covetousness." When I bless what others have, there is a possibility that there is enough for all, including me.

Hope that makes sense.

I am grateful for this information, and I don't know if everyone around me does that and I didnt have to do that before (except maybe unconsciously as opposed to deliberately) and maybe it seems like some kind of work maybe?
I am very grateful and thankful already but it seems like God should just give us the best spirits and bodies and environment and then we don't have to worry about anything, perhaps?
except maybe frolicking in heaven and being beautiful and beautifying others and loving and being loved etc?
Thanks though I will immediately get to work on this...

I mention this for these reasons. My Pastor Rev. H. mentioned that I was loved by God and that I did not need to worry or stress out or work so hard- God will take care of me and bless me with prosperity etc.

Well I got an offer elsewhere and I was not pretty or wealthy enough for the lovely people at the Church. I accept that offer, then not even telling them I was leaving, I leave (I thought they told me to leave quietly in the night ...).

Anyways I figured I would leave and attempt to live life fully and well and right; do things to help this country (make the men as beautiful as Rev. H. and the women as beautiful as Kate Upton or Morgan Fairchild) I was possessed with a patriotic spirit (perhaps not so kind). What happened was that I ended up being "helped" by the people I tried to help (I became dependent on the very people I was supposed to help westernize and modernize). I spent some humiliating & dependent years until I ran off back to Rev. H for answers.

Meanwhile when I visited Church I saw that it was overflowing with Indians (@ Rev. H) and with Mexicans (@ Rev. S's church). Both places instead of nice glowing shine were now covered with brown darknesss (literally). Why? If there was a part of me that was not fair I would cut it off and choke it to non life and not have children (the last part is the only part I know how to do). Why did the people I love suffer so.

The Rev. H seemed scared and asked why I had to leave the Church & the state so suddenly. I tried to tell him that I thought that was what I was asked to do, but he seemed afraid and had "Peace" written on the window of his home. The organist asked me if I was ready to get married (with my beloved in this state, no!)
I was just alarmed and left in a hurry. Next time I dropped by things were even not so nice. The Pastor's kid was smoking! and had tattoos! (the same little beautiful angel I saw from the stage when I would sing with the choir). The Pastor himself was covered with bruises (even more Indians were hovering around).
The Pastor said nicely that he did not want anything to do with me. I apologized to the Pastor and God for being so immature and for wanting everyone to be white and Protestant Christian (or whatever is the most loving and gentle and best way) and for not liking the Roman Catholics (I was for some reason thinking that the R.C. were trying to subvert the fair Norse folk).
I then went to the Church of Rev. S and there was a nice Hispanic looking lady there talking about Jesus dying for our sins while I looked for the Pastor and I had a really not good feeling. There were these nice Mexican gents hovering around the Church and the walls looked brown and delapidated. I have asked God about what is happening but my receptors are kind of blocked , I have asked why did it have to happen to people I love and I have guesses but no response.

I don't know whether to cry over what happened to them or what is happening to me. I do both.

[Bill Ryan]

Mods announcement:

arthurwhite's last post above ^^ has (rightly) been reported, and that was the tipping point for the mods to take action to reverse our decision to approve him as a new member. I wrote here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78116-RECORD-of-MODERATOR-ACTIONS&p=1161948&viewfull=1#post1161948) on RECORD of MODERATOR ACTIONS:


New member arthurwhite has been unsubscribed. This is one of the instances where the moderators made an error in approving his application. (He was actually declined the first time, but then made a heartfelt appeal.) We apologize to him, and to the community here. We wish him well, of course, but his worldview (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98427) is not a good fit for this forum (at all).

Of course, I'll write to him by e-mail. He's not a bad person — very far from it. One can't imagine him hurting a fly. But I hold my view, not without a great deal of compassion, that he's somehow become very afraid of the world, and much of reality. What we've read from him is his very complicated personal defense against anything or anyone that might possibly hurt him, emotionally or otherwise. While this can all be understood with empathy, it's not a good fit for the Avalon Forum.