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Daozen
17th August 2017, 00:59
I have my own answers to this (its complex) but I wondered what other people thought. I've seen people bring this up several times over the past few years. It's a valid question, which I think all of us may have asked to ourselves at some point.
A similar question is "If there are good ETs out there, why are they letting people die?"
Rawhide68
17th August 2017, 01:10
Hi Daozen
"If there are good ETs, why are they letting people die?"
I don´t understand this question, please clarify?
There are all kind of good, bad & indifferent aliens visiting us in my opinion.
Daozen
17th August 2017, 01:17
Rawhide, I've seen that question brought up by younger ufologists a few times. They look at the world and claim there are no benevolent ETs, or no benevolent parallel civilizations, because "If they existed, they'd come and help us."
People often take starvation/cancer as an example. If there are benevolent civilizations on this Earth, why are they watching us die?
I wanted to know what other people's thoughts on the subject were.
Lancet
17th August 2017, 02:01
from the time i joined PA, I started doing some reading and reflecting, trawling through some "ascending websites- like in-5d", listened to channellers like B. Marciniak, Bashar, and even people like Alex Collier.. that preach of a benevolent goody goody force out there.
I would not dispute their reality.. that is their free will.. but i do question the foundations of this belief - "benevolent aliens exist and they want to help us (by ascension or other means as described by Cobra)".
No doubt there are aliens, ET, EBEs, that exist in the multiverse and we are interacting with some of them via the SSP. I might suggest that this meme has been put there as a misdirection by the powers that be.
JT
Daozen
17th August 2017, 02:26
I agree, Lancet, that there's a lot of misdirection out there, but there's still a kernel of truth under all those lies.
Ernie Nemeth
17th August 2017, 03:03
What it seems to boil down to is one of three possible scenarios:
1) The 'good' side is hidden because this is the 'bad' side's turf. The 'good' side does help, and is involved in mitigating the full effects of the 'bad' side's tampering. We often don't recognize their hand because they must remain concealed.
2) The 'good' side understands that this is a pickle that mankind must solve on their own. The reason we must do so is because the solution to the problems that besiege us are caused by us - by our indirect consent in the form of acquiescence to our overlord's decrees, whether emotionally, financially, philosophically or in any other way that aligns our principles with thiers - and only by rising above the polarizing manipulation of our masters can we truly break free of their control.
3) Or...there is no 'good' side
I have been toying with that last one for a while now. I have to say that I cannot make myself believe it. Otherwise I wouldn't still be here. I think I am going to strike that third one off the list.
My previous focus was #1. If so, their resources may be thin, or they may simply be waiting for just the right time to turn the tide and make themselves known. One thing's for sure, they ain't here yet.
Again, this possibility is unsatisfying because it relies on an external variable for success. I don't like that. I've waited for god to make things right too - that hasn't gone well either. I don't want to compound the error with more of the same thinking.
My focus will be number two. I truly think that only we can save ourselves. We may need some outside help in terms of getting the 'bad' side out of our way long enough for us to come to some sort of consensus amongst ourselves. We need the agitators and the manipulators neutralized so we can engage the task at hand and not be side tracked. If we have to do that for ourselves it's probably gonna get ugly.
I believe we need to count on no one but ourselves, but hope for positive intervention at just the right time...
Daozen
17th August 2017, 03:08
I have pretty similar viewpoints, Ernie. I even broke it down in three ways like you. Thanks for your contributions...
Shannon
17th August 2017, 04:19
Sometimes I use benevolent humans as a comparison to benevolent et's...there's many good hearted people who want to help animals, the homeless, the starving and nature but just don't have the resources or the ability to at this time. Maybe they don't have the money to because they made a dumb mistake and owe some higher authority, they cannot travel to where the help is needed, or they don't have the means of communicating.
:)
Yetti
17th August 2017, 04:48
Hi Daozen the more simplistic explanation would be : because the no intervention mandate, but, by the other hand isn't this a free will universe? and we had being interveined by the falling angels, and others, so the question still without an answer !!
Rawhide68
17th August 2017, 05:59
Hi Daozen the more simplistic explanation would be : because the no intervention mandate, but, by the other hand isn't this a free will universe? and we had being interveined by the falling angels, and others, so the question still without an answer !!
I was just to type that not to "not intervene" thingy.:clapping:
They Can´t do Anything interfering with us as an ant collony in a aquarium tank, well.
There are lots of alien spieses parcepating in this experiment.
Libico
17th August 2017, 06:11
I too used to think over this question, and I think it's very likely that there are benevolent watchers of sorts that are always monitoring the progress of what passes for human civilization. As to why they don't intervene, I liken living on Earth to being in kindergarten - we are given free reign to learn by doing, even if that involves arguing, fighting or getting hurt (hurting ourselves or each other) - only in extreme circumstances will there be intervention of any sort, and even then it is probably too subtle to attribute to an external entity - the numerous reports of UFOs disabling nuclear warheads comes to mind. If you look past the physical realm as the be-all-end-all of existence, then even the atrocities we experience that seem so horrific to us may be a necessary growing experience when looked at in a bigger context and not through the lens of our perception. This is purely how I view this experience at this moment in time, and I imagine that any such civilization would understand this.
If I look back on a personal experience taken as a child, I remember vividly preparing for days for an exam that I ended up getting a bad grade on - the days leading up to it caused an enormous amount of stress for me, and the feelings of shame and frustration at the final grade were taken to an extreme. Obviously with hindsight 25 years later what does one silly exam in one class matter in how I live my life - it doesn't, but that experience as awful as it was to live through at the time made me realize that I shouldn't let silly things like that have such an effect on me. I think if there is a benevolent civilization out there they are letting us experience this for ourselves so we can grow, as painful as it seems to us at the time
Rawhide68
17th August 2017, 06:52
Well put Libico, I can fit my soul in your descreption and it´s painfull but opens up as well.
When I went to school as 7 year old child, I had religion class. Teacher asked me "whats the name of the ppl with no homes traveling the desert in the land of moses.. "
My answer was "Luffare" = "Hobo" in english, and all the children laughed along with the teacher. After that incident, I realised that truth is nothing you are given, it´s something you have to fight for.
I´m convinced that the Tunguska meteor strike was prohibited by alien intervention, as well as Nuklear bases like Malmstrom in the early sixties had their minute missiles shut down by alien intervetion, they have us under a lup.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
dynamo
17th August 2017, 10:58
... I've seen that question brought up by younger ufologists a few times. They look at the world and claim there are no benevolent ETs, or no benevolent parallel civilizations, because "If they existed, they'd come and help us."
People often take starvation/cancer as an example. If there are benevolent civilizations on this Earth, why are they watching us die?
I wanted to know what other people's thoughts on the subject were.
Good topic/questions, let's use an analogy:
If you saw a colony of ants that appeared sick and dying, for whatever reason (maybe the kid next door poured hot water on them an hour before, for example...who knows when an ant is sick, right?), would you spend a lot of time trying to figure out what's wrong with them and nursing them back to health?
Eagle Eye
17th August 2017, 12:44
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Foxie Loxie
17th August 2017, 12:47
Interesting discussion! We live in our tiny 3-D world, not realizing we are experiencing only a tiny fraction of what is out there! It has been kept from us that we are multi-dimensional beings, so it has been simple for our "controllers" to handle us. IS Earth simply a laboratory where other species carry out their experiments? In a Free Will Universe, a "good" being would not impose their will on us, but would guide those who are open to a new way of looking at the entirety of things. IMO
Lately I have been wondering about the Soul Thing. Is there a trade of souls, of sorts, going on in the Universe? Could it be that as long as we do not awaken to the fact that we are Sovereign Beings, we can be manipulated; traded, so to speak, within the Universe for various purposes of "others"? Humanity seems to have been "dumbed down" for so many centuries, the "awakening" has been a slow process.
However, I would say that many of us can attest to the fact that "outside" forces HAVE intervened in our lives to guide us in a certain direction. So, perhaps the "others" ARE helping things out, but we DO have to do the actual work ourselves! Once each person realizes he or she is a part of the Whole...why would you want to harm another?
I am SO thankful to Avalon for having been able to listen to other peoples' opinions & continually keep learning about what others have experienced in their own lives! We have MUCH to learn from each other! :yo:
latina
17th August 2017, 14:41
I got a question here: Why we humans feel that ETs are obligated to be kind, and save us of anything and everything? I was thinking exactly the same thought as Dynamo. If a person somehow notice a colony of ants that seems to be having problems, would that person stop everything is doing and take the time to fix the ants problems? Are we assuming ETs are here for us? I don't think so. They are here because first, they love to travel!! And then because they have things to do here! (Whatever that is).
Patient
17th August 2017, 17:23
How can we know that they haven't helped us? A simple example; Perhaps they have already stopped us from blowing ourselves up? There have been people that have claimed to have been given knowledge from "somewhere" or "someone" that they can not explain. Perhaps they are actually responsible for much of our technological advancements? If the crash at Roswell is true, then we have most likely gained huge from their tech.
We easily see when things go bad. Most everyone slows down to look at the car accident on the side of the street. Do we stop to look at the person who is being kind? Our news is full of bad news because that is what quickly and easily captures our attention. Extraterrestrials could have helped so many people in so many ways but it could be that it is just not noticeable.
If I went out front to my neighbours car and removed a broken bottle from behind his car tire in his driveway, he will not know that I possibly prevented him from having a flat tire. That one moment could have a huge positive affect on his life and he would never be aware that it happened.
naste.de.lumina
18th August 2017, 00:22
I´m convinced that the Tunguska meteor strike was prohibited by alien intervention, as well as Nuklear bases like Malmstrom in the early sixties had their minute missiles shut down by alien intervetion, they have us under a lup.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
These specific interventions cited (Tunguska, Nuklear bases), which you have defined as benevolent, can also be just 'taking care' so that the 'farm' is not destroyed or harmed by external or internal forces. Kind of protecting the 'chicken coop' from a devastating storm. In which case, what is the intention of the intervention? Take care of us or protect their assets?
Daozen
18th August 2017, 00:51
I´m convinced that the Tunguska meteor strike was prohibited by alien intervention, as well as Nuklear bases like Malmstrom in the early sixties had their minute missiles shut down by alien intervetion, they have us under a lup.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
These specific interventions cited (Tunguska, Nuklear bases), which you have defined as benevolent, can also be just 'taking care' so that the 'farm' is not destroyed or harmed by external or internal forces. Kind of protecting the 'chicken coop' from a devastating storm. In which case, what is the intention of the intervention? Take care of us or protect their assets?
Good point, but at least we're alive. if someone rescues me from an Earthquake, I don't care what his motivation is: Fame, gamlour, money, helping humans. All I care is that I'm safe.
Daozen
18th August 2017, 00:58
... I've seen that question brought up by younger ufologists a few times. They look at the world and claim there are no benevolent ETs, or no benevolent parallel civilizations, because "If they existed, they'd come and help us."
People often take starvation/cancer as an example. If there are benevolent civilizations on this Earth, why are they watching us die?
I wanted to know what other people's thoughts on the subject were.
Good topic/questions, let's use an analogy:
If you saw a colony of ants that appeared sick and dying, for whatever reason (maybe the kid next door poured hot water on them an hour before, for example...who knows when an ant is sick, right?), would you spend a lot of time trying to figure out what's wrong with them and nursing them back to health?
If I could take 5 minutes out of my day to fix the ant farm, I would. Maybe half an hour on a Sunday. I wouldn't hold a state funeral for every ant, but I could use my skill to fix the farm, and move some of the broken walls back.
I would also Google how to make an ant farm:
http://www.wikihow.com/Build-an-Ant-Farm
And make some extra capsules out of soda bottles. With 2 hours work, I could move their civilization forward 1000 ant years. I'd also leave out honey every day. That only takes 30 seconds. Next I would tell my neighbours kid that I would kick his ass if he ever did that in my garden again, and ask his parents to make sure he never does that.
Voila. The non-intervention treaty is now operational.
findingneo
18th August 2017, 01:16
Maybe it is like you and I, we would like to stop all the bad things that go on, and the suffering, but it is not as simple as that, I imagine. We don't have the resources and we would be violating laws which would quickly get us in to hot water and gone. Maybe they have laws that stop them form interference as well. Maybe getting involved puts risk on their own, even the whole of their own. Maybe they are playing exopolitical chess, and earth is the chess board.
It is hard to see why they don't just help.Maybe they are, very much so. Maybe we are just not looking at it the right way, and maybe the bullies are using tricks up their sleeve the good guys are not willing to cross over to. Maybe there is fisty cuffs going on off planet that we don't get a window view on. There might be a treaty by some Galactic Federation that prevents assistance from whole races. Maybe it is part of the free will thing. Maybe it interferes with our karma and theirs. Maybe it is how they say, that if you are not permitted to interfere with the system as an outsider, become part of the system. Star seeds and all that. I bet there are quite a few sitting there, twiddling their thumbs, looking for an answer. Maybe the current hijacked system is very difficult to penetrate. Maybe we are another species on this planet that is under the threat of extinction in one way or another, and others are helpless to make a difference. Maybe humans need to not be so much like a guinea pig when it comes to reflexes in the path of danger, and joining the dots, and action. etc, etc, etc. And maybe they are all listening to us right now and doing lots of face palms. And maybe just talking it is the way to go. But I think we are behind in the game. Well behind. Apparently the unpredictability of humans is a plus, apart from one or two other things.
So are you willing to tell us what you think Daozen? I would love to hear it. You don't say much but you are not at all silly. I bet you are pretty good at darts.
(Afterthought. I was thinking about those videos where folk rescue a dog from a flooded river or similar. And someone has mentioned it in above posts. That maybe they are like us in many ways. Then thinking about animals being rescued, and with often a look in their eyes, asking for help, even from wild animals, maybe, As Above, So Below, but on a much larger scale. We are those that they see on their screens, and they feel helpless to help. Maybe they suffer the same ways. And maybe there are others who are strong with resources who do not feel helpless, who ARE doing something).
Daozen
18th August 2017, 01:40
My views are a mixture of what others have said in this thread, findingneo.
We don't see more help because:
1) They can't help- they are somehow blockaded by surface governments.
2) They won't help- They insist we solve our own problems, and stop spending money on useless luxuries. We spend 2-3 billion USD on cigarrettes and alcohol. It could be argued that we chose our slavery.
3) They don't exist- I don't believe this, but its one of the possibilities we must consider to be fair.
Like Shannon said, you can see parallels with our society:
European 1: I heard of a place called Atlantis/Lemuria/Agartha, where they have fantastic technology that could solve all our problems.
European 2: If that's true, why don't they help us?
African 1: I heard of a place called Europe/America/Dubai, where they have fantastic technology that could solve all our problems.
African 2: If that's true, why don't they help us?
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Focusing on benevolent projects: How do we know they're not up here now, walking among us, incognito, doing their best to help the farming situation, medical world, energy world? They may just not reveal their origins under any circumstances. I believe we've been given a stay of execution, and a 50 year window to fix things.
There's certainly been a fantastic release of technology over the last 20 years. It's up to us to do the hard work.
findingneo
18th August 2017, 01:56
Yes Daozen, completely agree with everything you say.
We are treading in the same footsteps as Atlantis and Lemuria,etc.
I bet you know they are in cognito doing those projects.
Ones that best suite their genetic and spiritual disposition.
Yes, I am sure you are right.
So what are we meant to do do you think?
Apart from wake up, and others up, and work on ourselves?
What can we do do you think?
Do you think we will be permitted to do this by a greater community?
What about the nasties that have other plans?
Are they bound to allowing a reprieve, to get it right, do you think Daozen?
They don't seem to bit stopping for a smoko.
Ah! Just remembered something. Ok.:Angel:
naste.de.lumina
18th August 2017, 04:09
I´m convinced that the Tunguska meteor strike was prohibited by alien intervention, as well as Nuklear bases like Malmstrom in the early sixties had their minute missiles shut down by alien intervetion, they have us under a lup.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event
These specific interventions cited (Tunguska, Nuklear bases), which you have defined as benevolent, can also be just 'taking care' so that the 'farm' is not destroyed or harmed by external or internal forces. Kind of protecting the 'chicken coop' from a devastating storm. In which case, what is the intention of the intervention? Take care of us or protect their assets?
Good point, but at least we're alive. if someone rescues me from an Earthquake, I don't care what his motivation is: Fame, gamlour, money, helping humans. All I care is that I'm safe.
How many thousands of people do not die daily because of the degrading conditions of survival imposed in this reality?
What is the difference between dying as a victim of an asteroid impact or a tsunami like 2004? Why was there no intervention in this case?
The fact that you save the hen from the storm today does not mean that the chickens will not go to your pot tomorrow.
From the point of view of a prisoner imprisoned in perpetuity, an asteroid impact could be a unique gift of freedom by crushing the walls of the prison.
1) They can't help- they are somehow blockaded by surface governments.
Or by a force far beyond a planetary surface.
I am going to use Saturn as a clear example of the evidence of super-intelligent entities that are technologically advanced in this 3D solar system (I will not even go into other dimensional possibilities).
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/bdd04e_b46fcad7d4b54d68a79a7436b2e1741d~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_252,h_385,al_c,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/bdd04e_b46fcad7d4b54d68a79a7436b2e1741d~mv2.png
These entities do not know what is happening here or are we their farm?
Because if we are their farm, they will do everything to keep it under control.
DNA
18th August 2017, 04:29
I have my own answers to this (its complex) but I wondered what other people thought. I've seen people bring this up several times over the past few years. It's a valid question, which I think all of us may have asked to ourselves at some point.
A similar question is "If there are good ETs out there, why are they letting people die?"
Ultimate benevolence is ultimately concerned with "freewill".
I will leave that as stated.
Ultimately I do not believe in "benevolence" in the manner we would think of it.
There is always personal interest involved.
I'm a firm believer that hidden civilizations of ancient cultures exist on this planet, and they are far more concerned with themselves and their personal survival than ours.
This is just my opinion.
I do not believe there exists an advanced civilization that is looking out for us.
The Plieadians of Billy Meier lore would come the closest, and they are using a hands off "p*ssy" approach.
As far as I'm concerned Billy Meier's Plieadians can go suck a "d!ck", just my opinion of course.
We are on our own.
And destined to fail in my opinion.
I wish it were otherwise.
TargeT
18th August 2017, 04:32
I do not believe there exists an advanced civilization that is looking out for us.
DING DING DING
quit giving your power away, own your own ****... don't look for external saviors.
WE ARE the hero.. OWN IT.
(read my signature.. marinate on that a bit... what are YOU doing?)
findingneo
18th August 2017, 04:39
Yes, agree with what you say too TargeT, but what exactly does that mean? I feel like we are in a perpetual office meeting, clicking on our biro, saying "we own this", but I don't see any writing of bullet points and notes on that blank page. Is this it? Are we doing it?
DNA
18th August 2017, 04:47
I do not believe there exists an advanced civilization that is looking out for us.
DING DING DING
quit giving your power away, own your own ****... don't look for external saviors.
WE ARE the hero.. OWN IT.
(read my signature.. marinate on that a bit... what are YOU doing?)
This is what the Plieadians state, but in my opinion it does not account for the interference we have suffered at the hands of numerous negative races in my opinion.
If we have been manipulated and taken advantage of by such an extent by so many alien races, why cant we get an honest helping hand to help nullify those negative interactions without the caveat that they are worried about interfering with our freewill? Our freewill has already received quite the violation considering what the race has endured. Can't we get a helping hand to help rectify that?
Maybe it is like you and I, we would like to stop all the bad things that go on, and the suffering, but it is not as simple as that, I imagine. We don't have the resources and we would be violating laws which would quickly get us in to hot water and gone. Maybe they have laws that stop them form interference as well. Maybe getting involved puts risk on their own, even the whole of their own. Maybe they are playing exopolitical chess, and earth is the chess board.
I'm absolutely of the opinion that there is a chess board involved.
With folks who can see into the future, or rather into future probabilities, and with great precision.
Humans in space, with our resource stealing, regime changing and cannabilistic ways are probably not attractive qualities to invite into the cosmos.
We kill, starve, rape and enslave our own kind, what would we do to others of another intelligent race?
Really, thing about that.
In all honesty a benevolent race of aliens who are concerned with the cosmos and the galactic neighborhood might just think they are doing good by helping to start WWIII here on earth.
Just an opinion.
Daozen
18th August 2017, 05:09
I do not believe there exists an advanced civilization that is looking out for us.
DING DING DING
quit giving your power away, own your own ****... don't look for external saviors.
WE ARE the hero.. OWN IT.
(read my signature.. marinate on that a bit... what are YOU doing?)
Since when does interest in external civilizations translate to external saviourism? I follow Silicon Valley, tech news, alternative heath protocols, music, programming, farming innovations. I stay in touch with these communities because I can learn from them. Doesn't mean I'm sitting here waiting for them to solve my problems. The same with hidden civilizations. I study them because knowledge of them has been beneficial to me in the past, and will probably be useful in my future.
I 100% agree that we are responsible for our own evolution, that we are center stage, and have to do things for ourselves. This does not dampen my interest in what is happening in the mountains.
My strategy is to know they exist, and act as if they don't.
And cease with the High school football coach pep talks plz. TIA. :) :bigsmile:
Eagle Eye
18th August 2017, 10:31
Just a small example.
You cross the path with someone who has a big problem in his point of view, but in your eyes its a small and easy one. Those groups who are benevolent nature but yet unevolved will try to solve his problem fast and not to mention about those groups who will show the solution for a personal benefit, but those who are aware of universal laws know that if they solve his problem, he will encounter another big one and will be in the same situation. Those who know that, know also that the best thing to do is guide him in the right direction (in a visible way or invisible) but not showing the solution.
Humanity is in the same situation, we have been guided over and over through ages but we still want someone to show us the solution. If will ever be someone to show us what we want, we need to be careful about his/their intentions or if its from the benevolent one, than I think it will be the end of the TEST.
Mister ET
18th August 2017, 10:44
I have my own answers to this (its complex) but I wondered what other people thought. I've seen people bring this up several times over the past few years. It's a valid question, which I think all of us may have asked to ourselves at some point.
A similar question is "If there are good ETs out there, why are they letting people die?"
For some of you the idea is that death is recognized as multi-leveled, stretching through many dimensions of experience, connecting many dimensions of experience. You can take one of your elevators to any floor. Understand? Transformations occur all the time and death, physical death is simply one more of them. You need not necessarily treat it as a negative thing. You will understand that it is all simply transformational.
if that individual has chosen now to become non-physical, then you can assist them in the transference from physicality to non-physicality, so that there will be a small or no degree of confusion about where they are and what they can do once they are non-physical. Because many individuals in your reality will find that once you become non-physical, you may at first carry with you the strongest belief you had about life when you were still physically alive. And that will create a reality around you that you will perceive to be the real reality. Because you are non-physical, you are a thought-form in a world of thought-forms, and what you think is instantly what seems to be physically real around you. And that is why many individuals may not even know they have died, when they have died.
Therefore, you can be of great assistance to that individual if they have chosen to become non-physical, to allow them to become non-physical with dignity, with joy and effortlessness, with love, with ecstasy, with ease. To allow them to know, to allow them to remember that it is only the idea of stepping from one room to another room in the same house, that is all death is. They have made their choices. Allow them to do so with dignity.
There is no real separation; there is no real loss. The love is always there; it is always able to be felt. You are never out of touch unless you believe that you are. So allow yourself to simply take stock of what you are learning about yourself from this situation, because there is obviously a reason why you are involved with that individual and why they are going through what they are going through at this time.
There is something for you to learn about yourself as well as what they are learning about themselves.
Use all the knowledge in a positive way and you will enlighten yourself. Raise your vibratory level and you may then be quite astonished to find that, if and when they choose to make their transference to non-physicality, your willingness to treat the whole endeavor in a positive way, by raising your vibration, will mean that when they transfer into non-physical reality they are not actually "so far above
you" as you used to think. Just a little side step to the corner, that is all. The difference between physical reality and nonphysical reality, what you call physical life and physical death, is not as large as you think. It is a very, very short step between your physical vibration, that which makes you physical, and that which allows you to be non-physical. A very short step, very short.
You are quite consciously holding yourself in physical reality, if that is where you find yourself to be. A very small shift is all that is required to go into non-physical existence. Therefore, allow yourself to project your love to that individual so they can use your love to slide gently into that next vibratory level. Then you will remain in communication as you need to and you will not feel that you are out of
touch.
You follow me? Does this assist you?
Wind
18th August 2017, 11:52
Free will.
Rawhide68
18th August 2017, 14:28
These specific interventions cited (Tunguska, Nuklear bases), which you have defined as benevolent, can also be just 'taking care' so that the 'farm' is not destroyed or harmed by external or internal forces. Kind of protecting the 'chicken coop' from a devastating storm. In which case, what is the intention of the intervention? Take care of us or protect their assets?
Thats a very interesting question! Thanks
I will ponder on that.
Pam
18th August 2017, 14:53
Sometimes I use benevolent humans as a comparison to benevolent et's...there's many good hearted people who want to help animals, the homeless, the starving and nature but just don't have the resources or the ability to at this time. Maybe they don't have the money to because they made a dumb mistake and owe some higher authority, they cannot travel to where the help is needed, or they don't have the means of communicating.
:)I think that what you stated here might be one of the reasons we are in our current situation. Even if you don't have money or a lot of extra time you can find something to do that puts you in alignment with your ideals. If someone has opted out of doing this with the excuse of no time or money or a myriad of other excuses than I would really question just how good hearted they really are.
TargeT
18th August 2017, 18:34
I do not believe there exists an advanced civilization that is looking out for us.
DING DING DING
quit giving your power away, own your own ****... don't look for external saviors.
WE ARE the hero.. OWN IT.
(read my signature.. marinate on that a bit... what are YOU doing?)
This is what the Plieadians state, but in my opinion it does not account for the interference we have suffered at the hands of numerous negative races in my opinion.
If we have been manipulated and taken advantage of by such an extent by so many alien races, why cant we get an honest helping hand to help nullify those negative interactions without the caveat that they are worried about interfering with our freewill? Our freewill has already received quite the violation considering what the race has endured. Can't we get a helping hand to help rectify that?
I like to fall back on fractals for complex questions.. since math is pretty "solid" in the reality we experience.. Fractal thinking would dictate that we, at best, would be treated like lions or rhino's in a high wire nature preserve... AT BEST.
at worst cattle in a feed lot (or matrix style battery banks).
We exhibit to "those below us" what "those above us" are doing to us (and the complete disconnect in understanding between the two should be emphasized as well). So I do agree with your "darker" take on this whole thing, I just sometimes avoid that point.
I do not believe there exists an advanced civilization that is looking out for us.
DING DING DING
quit giving your power away, own your own ****... don't look for external saviors.
WE ARE the hero.. OWN IT.
(read my signature.. marinate on that a bit... what are YOU doing?)
Since when does interest in external civilizations translate to external saviourism?
The title of the thread includes "why don't they fund positive projects" which seems to at least lean in that direction.
If it's as DNA suggests (and I allude to) then it's even worse, since we would be looking for help from those who are oppressing/harvesting/managing us.
Rawhide68
18th August 2017, 19:23
This ant thing brings to mind something I was doing as a child, I actually had this huge magnification lens, and when the sun was shining, I fryed the little buggers. I´M SO SORRY! I understand better now.
I also chased my cat with a water pistol. Noooo! Yes I did. Damn.
Why did I do theese bad things?
I was just a child, and children can be cruel. Testing everything.
Shame on me, I have to live with it !
Have you had experience like this ? , I would love to read your comments
Carmody
18th August 2017, 19:30
Rawhide, I've seen that question brought up by younger ufologists a few times. They look at the world and claim there are no benevolent ETs, or no benevolent parallel civilizations, because "If they existed, they'd come and help us."
People often take starvation/cancer as an example. If there are benevolent civilizations on this Earth, why are they watching us die?
I wanted to know what other people's thoughts on the subject were.
If you don't fix yourself, it does not mean anything.
Seriously.
It's on you. It was always on you.
You individually. Collectively..not really.. only in a sort of way..it's on each individual person. Ie, collective of individuals, each, in full conscious knowledge...pulling their weight.
Do or die, and do it yourself. There is no other functionality in this.
ET can dance and show that they may exist, but everything you need to get done is a individual response, and can be no other way.
As any other way, renders 'help' meaningless, intrusive, faulted, and doomed to failure.
Crack that eggshell open.... or die and rot inside of it.
Take your pick.
TargeT
18th August 2017, 20:09
This ant thing brings to mind something I was doing as a child, I actually had this huge magnification lens, and when the sun was shining, I fryed the little buggers. I´M SO SORRY! I understand better now.
I also chased my cat with a water pistol. Noooo! Yes I did. Damn.
Why did I do theese bad things?
I was just a child, and children can be cruel. Testing everything.
Shame on me, I have to live with it !
Anything with forward facing eyes is a predator and will naturally have predatory inclinations; nothing to be ashamed or lament over.
These types of instincts are what kept us from being eaten, and kept us able to feed our selves for more years than we are aware of; it's only recently that we've taken a more "prey" like approach to living and had this weird guilt thing foisted on us.
If you don't fix yourself, it does not mean anything.....
It's on you. It was always on you.You individually. Collectively..not really.. only in a sort of way..it's on each individual person. Ie, collective of individuals, each, in full conscious knowledge...pulling their weight.
Do or die, and do it yourself.
be a libertarian, that helps ;)
I would add a bit more emphasis on the individual's effort on pulling THEIR OWN weight; you can pull others weight if you want but you have to realize that action is detrimental to the other party (independence and self reliance is key, anything else erodes free will and puts "hooks" or "attachments" in place on the party that is being helped).
"the best way to ruin a people is to give them free things" - me (maybe, or I read it somewhere)
Rawhide68
18th August 2017, 21:09
If I could take 5 minutes out of my day to fix the ant farm, I would. Maybe half an hour on a Sunday. I wouldn't hold a state funeral for every ant, but I could use my skill to fix the farm, and move some of the broken walls back.
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Thanks Doazen, It´s lovely put in words
Rawhide68
18th August 2017, 21:34
Thanks for your reply Carmody.
You hit something within me, a good thing ,now Im going to cry, thank you
dynamo
18th August 2017, 21:36
... I've seen that question brought up by younger ufologists a few times. They look at the world and claim there are no benevolent ETs, or no benevolent parallel civilizations, because "If they existed, they'd come and help us."
People often take starvation/cancer as an example. If there are benevolent civilizations on this Earth, why are they watching us die?
I wanted to know what other people's thoughts on the subject were.
Good topic/questions, let's use an analogy:
If you saw a colony of ants that appeared sick and dying, for whatever reason (maybe the kid next door poured hot water on them an hour before, for example...who knows when an ant is sick, right?), would you spend a lot of time trying to figure out what's wrong with them and nursing them back to health?
If I could take 5 minutes out of my day to fix the ant farm, I would. Maybe half an hour on a Sunday. I wouldn't hold a state funeral for every ant, but I could use my skill to fix the farm, and move some of the broken walls back.
I would also Google how to make an ant farm:
http://www.wikihow.com/Build-an-Ant-Farm
And make some extra capsules out of soda bottles. With 2 hours work, I could move their civilization forward 1000 ant years. I'd also leave out honey every day. That only takes 30 seconds. Next I would tell my neighbours kid that I would kick his ass if he ever did that in my garden again, and ask his parents to make sure he never does that.
Voila. The non-intervention treaty is now operational.
Quite noble of you, Daozen.
However, I think it would take years to ascertain which ants were sick or just stoned on...heaven knows what, and having some fun.
My point is, just as we do not understand ants, aliens probably don't understand us.
Perhaps they live for 2000+ years so one human lifetime to them would be a few minutes, so to speak...
Perhaps they don't even know what cancer is yet, or if it's is a good or bad thing?
I think I've made my point.
Also, waiting for some alien to save humankind sure seems like a waste of a human life, to me, anyway.
I am happy to awake every morning with a chance to learn and grow, mentally and spiritually.
Physically?
That is not impossible but this body of mine has been ravaged to the point of requiring a lot of intervention by specialists (along with my own attempts to heal it).
Anyway, great topic, thanks again for starting it!!!
Daozen
19th August 2017, 01:13
Again, thank you kindly for the pep talks everyone. :rofl: The "Hullo Daozen lemme explain to you about hard work and self-responbility." replies are well meant, I'm sure. Thanks guys. :bearhug:
This thread is an exploration of the nature of the blockade. If there are parallel civilizations, why are they not helping us more directly? It's a question that everyone who studies UFOlogy must have asked themselves at some point.
The question in the title contains a false assumption, which some people picked up on. How do we know they're not helping us already? I think they're performing a vital background role, and walking among us incognito. I also think they're already active in technology, banking, and espeically the venture capitlist world.
So I think they are out there funding good work, just not openly. I think that clandestine assistance situation will continue for decades.
Daozen
19th August 2017, 01:22
Quite noble of you, Daozen.
However, I think it would take years to ascertain which ants were sick or just stoned on...heaven knows what, and having some fun.
My point is, just as we do not understand ants, aliens probably don't understand us.
Perhaps they live for 2000+ years so one human lifetime to them would be a few minutes, so to speak...
Perhaps they don't even know what cancer is yet, or if it's is a good or bad thing?
I think I've made my point.
Also, waiting for some alien to save humankind sure seems like a waste of a human life, to me, anyway.
I am happy to awake every morning with a chance to learn and grow, mentally and spiritually.
Physically?
That is not impossible but this body of mine has been ravaged to the point of requiring a lot of intervention by specialists (along with my own attempts to heal it).
Anyway, great topic, thanks again for starting it!!!
Not noble, just something to do on a Sunday morning. I like challenges. We don't fully understand ants, but some people dedicate their entire lives to the study of insects. Likewise, I'm sure there are some who dedicate their lives towards studying surface humans. There will be others who don't care about us. Likely there will be a full spectrum of opinions towards us. As we live just 3 score and 10 years they may see us as temporary creatures, as you said. My personal view is that they know exactly what cancer is, and are behind the drive for alt cancer therapies. It's up to us to take control of our own health and diet. They can't force us to eat well.
As far as physical health is concerned, Im convinced the keys to a long life 200+ years are out there on the internet.
Thanks for your points, they helped me think of the situation from an outsiders persepctive.
Shannon
19th August 2017, 03:34
Sometimes I use benevolent humans as a comparison to benevolent et's...there's many good hearted people who want to help animals, the homeless, the starving and nature but just don't have the resources or the ability to at this time. Maybe they don't have the money to because they made a dumb mistake and owe some higher authority, they cannot travel to where the help is needed, or they don't have the means of communicating.
:)I think that what you stated here might be one of the reasons we are in our current situation. Even if you don't have money or a lot of extra time you can find something to do that puts you in alignment with your ideals. If someone has opted out of doing this with the excuse of no time or money or a myriad of other excuses than I would really question just how good hearted they really are.
While I agree with your statement, I was meaning on a grand scale.
Let's put it like this. I'd love to cure cancer, or stop famine and children from starving. Me not being able to do those thing alone and on my dime, and with my current commitments, I have to do things on small scale that may not be curing cancer but am comforting a child with cancer.
I can't stop famine, but I can bring food to a local pantry. I'd love to stop puppy mills and animal abuse ...I cannot house more than a few dogs, and I'm not able to arrest abusers, but I can volunteer time at local shelters and report abuse when I see it.
So as much as you make a point, you missed the mark I put up :)
findingneo
19th August 2017, 03:44
I did notice that some people automatically assumed you were wanting them to guide you, rather than just answering the question. It happens a lot, everywhere. Not consciously I don't think.
What I think is that maybe we could be very well chatting away to folk who are from elsewhere, and doing a good job here. I doubt being a human (oid) visitor doing a job which actually assists mother earth for instance, can save the whole planet, but maybe they do what they can do, at a grass roots level, as an individual, and maybe as a group as well. I mean, why not? I would like to think so.
It does not have to be altruistic. It can assist us and earth and benefit the greater community, and environment. Not saying there aren't bad dudes, we know there is, and what the score is, but I hope that does not prevent hope that it is worth the effort to work towards the positive.
How do we know what will shift the score as to how much help we would be given. And sure, we have to get ourselves out of this mess, and we should not rely on someone else doing it for us, but while we say it is our job, and yet do, not much, things are marching in a particular direction, and standing still, flexing muscles, is not going to cut it. Not only that, but it is selfish and self centered to think this is just our problem to fix.
We don't own this place, we are a part of it. We are both prisoners and caretakers gone astray. It is not our property to say what happens to it. If there are those that can help, then I am glad if they are, but at the same time, we must be aware that there are those that do not want to help, but to take.Which we are, even if we are not looking it square in the face, which we probably should, such as the abduction/hybrid phenomenon.
I am hoping those that want to help, and I mean really help, are doing it without doing a song and dance about it, and are just getting on with it.
That is what I think, right now.
Anyway, I really like the way you think Daozen.
You have your own balanced and informed thoughts, you don't want or need someone to guide you, but you want to know what others are thinking about your question.
Thanks.
Shannon
19th August 2017, 03:55
Again, thank you kindly for the pep talks everyone. :rofl: The "Hullo Daozen lemme explain to you about hard work and self-responbility." replies are well meant, I'm sure. Thanks guys. :bearhug:
This thread is an exploration of the nature of the blockade. If there are parallel civilizations, why are they not helping us more directly? It's a question that everyone who studies UFOlogy must have asked themselves at some point.
The question in the title contains a false assumption, which some people picked up on. How do we know they're not helping us already? I think they're performing a vital background role, and walking among us incognito. I also think they're already active in technology, banking, and espeically the venture capitlist world.
So I think they are out there funding good work, just not openly. I think that clandestine assistance situation will continue for decades.
Sometimes I wonder if parallel civilizations are just as clueless to us as we are of them, and being parallel that they also have PTB, who make sure to keep us separated and in the dark to their hinderence or their help.
Unfortunately this year I had to take out a whole colony of ants... :( I didn't want to but I had to. They were coming in my house and as much as I try to live and let live, I had take them out. I tried more than a few ways to stop them without resorting to mass murder...but that became my only choice eventually.
Now that has me wondering what if we became such a pest to ET's, somehow invading their space (space), and making life harder for them, if we could be taken down just as easily. Lol
This is one of those questions that just goes around and around ... :)
Yetti
19th August 2017, 06:12
hey guys have you seen the movie , Jupiter rising? a good analogy for a possible explanation , I am sure there are both , as is above is below, there are good guys and bad guys everywhere to fulfill the dicotomy of polarity in this universe.
scanner
19th August 2017, 11:15
There are helpers. But, we have to learn for ourselves, working it out is the hard part. Just a side note, we do not die. It's the vehicle that dies not you.
Foxie Loxie
19th August 2017, 11:40
Right on, scanner!! THERE IS NO DEATH!! I believe that is the most important thing I have learned here on Avalon....that we are Sovereign, Eternal Beings who have been kept dumbed down for centuries. :frusty:
findingneo
19th August 2017, 13:37
P.S., lots of people are not Sovereign, unfortunately. Oops! I just realized I read the original question wrongly.
Rawhide68
26th August 2017, 03:19
S Maybe they don't have the money to because they made a dumb mistake and owe some higher authority, they cannot travel to where the help is needed, or they don't have the means of communicating. :)
So what makes man/woman beeing bad or good?
TargeT
26th August 2017, 05:07
S Maybe they don't have the money to because they made a dumb mistake and owe some higher authority, they cannot travel to where the help is needed, or they don't have the means of communicating. :)
So what makes man/woman beeing bad or good?
subjective preference...
learning that is the most powerful thing ever... good luck though (depending on your upbringing)
Lookingforrealtruth
26th August 2017, 05:19
No matter what , pain will always be remembered, literately for eternity, never a good thing, never right.
It seems that thousands of years ago there was an attack on mars (or a massive war, galaxy wide) and that some survivors fled to earth to try and fend off the attackers - later on over time it seems that the attackers are constantly encouraging deception , lies , propaganda (many religions, etc - lies), in attempt to make sure that people for thousands of years have kept believing in lies - so that when or if the attackers (enslavers) feel that a lot of people on earth are deceived and lied to - then that is when they assimilate.
The possible "plan"
To encourage growth of the people of the planet , wanting as much people on the planet , however to make sure to keep populace in check, (if too much people, then possible rebellion, not a little amount of people since the plan is for assimilation) , deceive and indoctrinate people with lies for thousands of years , to almost "ingrain" and "fixate" lies into the minds of people - make sure that mostly or all people are deceived into lies (such as making or telling people that they - the attackers / enslavers are good people) - then to assimilate.
By the way, a lot of the enslavers, are also under control , most likely in many ways; mind control, deception, etc-lies - the enslavers are mostly of people that have been assimilated from various areas of space.
example images: https://i.redd.it/qqoeybbs7jgz.png
Also, there is a possible reason that the word "harvesting" when apparently talked about so called "ascension" - really means "to collect" - to assimilate (both the word's "harvesting" and "ascension" mean the same) - as also - the so called "collective consciousness" refers to a hive-mind thinking , no individual thinking - no self expression.
The people of this planet and elsewhere (apparently there are literately thousands of planets with people that are literately under the same or similar situation as on earth) has been under enslavement for thousands of years.
While under this situation, if not in compliance then most likely almost fully wiped of memory to then be possibly relocated to another planet under slavery or back on the same planet - undergoing pain again. The plan is to control.
Shannon
26th August 2017, 11:19
S Maybe they don't have the money to because they made a dumb mistake and owe some higher authority, they cannot travel to where the help is needed, or they don't have the means of communicating. :)
So what makes man/woman beeing bad or good?
Well, for me bad is when the persons actions and intent is to do harm or to deceive for the benefit of themselves. And good is when they don't make other people's lives hell, are honest with themselves and others and try to lift themselves and others up instead of stepping on their face.
And yeah what target said. :)
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