I still can't believe we have 8 pages on this forum (yes, THIS forum) discussing whether the earth is flat or not- yes, the earth is slightly egg-shaped due to the land mass around the equator but it's (deep breath) not flat-
Larry
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I still can't believe we have 8 pages on this forum (yes, THIS forum) discussing whether the earth is flat or not- yes, the earth is slightly egg-shaped due to the land mass around the equator but it's (deep breath) not flat-
Larry
Dear Bill
please be aware that i do not advertise the idea of a flat earth.
Dont put me into this box.
please reread what i wrote.
i did never mention this
i wrote i wasnt suprised if i wake up on board of a spaceship from stasissleep. the only thing i tried to do was to open a little space for thoughts.
you guys seem to be little traumatized about this topic.
maybe go more into the reallife than hanging out online and discuss complete timewastetopics like this.
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Posted by felix roseczky
so thats what i wrote about this.Quote:
Posted by felix roseczky
i say, thinking about the topic helped me to break out of the matrix prison, not that i think earth is flat.
you know when you astraltravel you can see earth is a sphere, or an egg, whatever.
dont waste my time and energy please trying to put me into corners, because where i am is the middlepoint.
really...i love you guys...just keep more calm and friendly.
:flower:
one love
When I was 20, 25, and 30 years old, I believed when I reached 35, I’d finally have all the answers. Silly, silly, SILLY me!Quote:
Posted by felix roseczky
felix roseczky, did you know there are members here that are more than twice your age? Yup. They were around long before the internet. It’s safe to say they, along with many others, participate in real life, too.
I agree. There are no corners in my world for anyone to even think they could put me in one. It's my experience that no one can waste your time and energy, that is unless you give over your power and allow it.Quote:
dont waste my time and energy please trying to put me into corners, because where i am is the middlepoint.
Middle point is not my goal. That was one of the stops along the way. It felt static, limited, make-believe (i.e. made-to-believe). To be fair, we may have different definitions on middle point. For me, the journey is vast and endless. The times when I have the courage to bungee jump without a rope expansion asks to be invited in. Though now there’s less need for that kind of high-octane juice.
Well, I guess you won't be buying into the ancient Chinese belief.Quote:
Posted by felix roseczky
:)Quote:
Posted by Bill Ryan, quoting an article about the history of Flat Earth thinking
Probably won't be buying into your cube musings either ... ;)Quote:
Posted by Bill RyanWell, I guess you won't be buying into the ancient Chinese belief.Quote:
Posted by felix roseczky
:)Quote:
Posted by Bill Ryan, quoting an article about the history of Flat Earth thinking
This topic is such an an energy siphon.... I'm surprised it's hit 9 pages... (feels like 'again'?)
"Energy Siphon" --- accurate terminology.Quote:
Posted by TargeT
I'm pretty sure I only ranted this here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1195714 because of this thread ...
well...so we are clear that this was some kind of misunderstanding?
its much more praobably this is some kind of holographic matrix, AI Matrix or something than earth is flat. though you can never be sure until you did see it with your own eyes from space.
my experience showed me that this world we live in is constructed on so many lies. everything i was told in early age was actually complete bull****. maybe mathematics wasnt. but even their we just get some dirty pieces thrown.
@running deer...
yea, this life i have lived only 34 circles, but i ve lived many lives and some i even remember.
age does not matter at all.
every human has to die but just a few did really life. a 70 jears old dude may have more jears but not neccesary more experiences.
and yes, probably middlepoint is the complete wrong term, buy my vocabulary is smallish, I just dont write english that often. i wanted to say that i m not standing in any corner and have a very strong opinion but that i m standing in the middle of a circle and are open minded to experience all possible corners, even a circle doenst have them. :-)
Maybe this is a better explanation.
if you wanna walk on the water you gotta get outta the boat
Here's a nice independent brand made film sending a product in to space. There's no fish eye lens, the products look normal (not fish eyed) and yet look... the earth looks very spherical to me....
Can someone send this to the flat earthers please?
Actually, it's a very wide angle lens (about 10 - 12mm? I'd consider it a fish-eye) - you can see the "fish-eye" effect on the horizon (very rounded) when the camera first lifts off. So FEer would say that this is why the earth looks spherical in the footage. They'd probably just leave it at that rather than actually using math or other solution oriented practice to determine that the level fish-eye actually effect seen, could not possibly make a flat earth into a sphere. But I applaud the effort :) FEers are a peculiar bunch who grasp at any straw available that they think gives them evidence to support their belief.Quote:
Posted by MorningFox
I did get into a debate with another Avalon member on the topic through PMs a while back. We decided to analyze some long distance photos that FEers were using as "proof" the earth is flat. I dissected one completely and could prove that in the image there was about 300-400 meters of land hidden behind the ocean horizon (due to the earth's curve - I was expecting 500+ but the level of atmospheric refraction variance should be within that threshold). It wasn't that hard to do really. My debater acknowledged this but decided he wanted to check out more photos. I got busy and dropped out of the discussion for a while, but he was also able to determine "sphereness" of the earth based on other photos - the same photos that FEers were using as "proof" the earth is flat, actually showed the opposite when evaluated properly. What does this tell me? Most FEers also have zero decent analytical abilities to go along with their religion-like beliefs.
As a disclaimer, my debater wasn't a "FEer", just a guy who I think wanted more evidence before concluding the earth was not flat, and he found it within his own analysis, which supported mine as well, so, not a flat earther at all :)
No wonder Andy Murray has been losing recently, i prefer the good old days when the ball was round.
I'm leaving definitely this forum after 8 years please mods delete my account. C'est forums sont obsolètes dans leurs formats actuels qui ne permettent pas le free speech. Go to Zero Hedge or RT that's could be better for the free speech and your opinion. What a waist of time Avalon small forum.Quote:
Posted by Bill RyanI posted that solely to assist daviddjg23. Not my initiative.Quote:
Posted by Gaia
It seems as if maybe you ever read this, from my post #135:Quote:
Posted by KanoHalle - f*cking - lujah!Quote:
Posted by Gaia
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From the Welcome To Avalon Thread, intended for all members to read and please understand:
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A note about some aspects of the forum which are sometimes a little controversial: that of disinformation.
This is a huge topic, and is much discussed elsewhere, besides here. Its very purpose is to trick, deceive and confuse.
Some disinformation (the definition of which is part truth, part fiction) is deliberately injected into the alternative media. See this article for more details of the operation, which was launched at the start of 2013:
This is a problem that’s becoming larger. It’s tricky to handle on the forum, because we do NOT want to tell people what to think... but rather, we want to support them in HOW to think.
A few people might join the community believing, for instance, that the 'Flat Earth' is real, and that NASA always lies, and therefore no official statements can ever be believed. But that’s lazy thinking.
To figure out what’s true and what’s not, we have to do work. To reject everything and settle for some sugar-coated fantasy (and there are several of those circulating out there) takes NO work. So we do have to be prepared to do some work, when we study and learn and share.
Everyone can be forgiven for having at some time bought into a false idea, especially if their pilgrimage to the truth has quite recently begun. We’re committed to support all members in that journey.
But if a member demonstrates that they’re fixated and intransigent in a view that’s demonstrably flawed, and insists on promoting that, and seems to have stalled their own process of inquiry and learning, and never changes, then we may ask them to leave, too — because they would be a detriment to the well-being of the community.
It’d be like a heckler in a presentation, rather than someone asking intelligent and informed questions... which is always 100% fine.
This is not about ‘free speech’. That’s lazy thinking, too. It’s more like a university (and this is a very good one) that has certain admissions criteria. Poor students may possibly flunk out here, if I can put it so bluntly.
So — we ask for and expect your very best.
- If someone doesn't understand this, there's not much I can say.
- If someone doesn't agree with this, then please leave. I say this without malice, but with a very great deal of personal clarity.
Relying on a single source or forum for info is a mistake, just as making judgements while in the depths of emotional influence is. ANY form that is moderated will have information gatekeepers, that is unavoidable and apart of "the human condition"; but not necessarily evil or nefarious.Quote:
Posted by Gaia
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Posted by TargeTRelying on a single source or forum for info is a mistake, just as making judgements while in the depths of emotional influence is. ANY form that is moderated will have information gatekeepers, that is unavoidable and apart of "the human condition"; but not necessarily evil or nefarious.Quote:
Posted by Gaia
I'm not in chock that been you becoming on rescue ! You know I always knew you were a pseudonym because they are multiple of Bill Ryan the same with multiple visages on this forum. I have ignored all these pseudonyms over the years fyi. But today I must say that your big arm with your sleeve does not impress me that much. Good luck to you pseudonym!!!
And go **** yourself!!!!:third: TargeT retard!!!!
Please chill out, you have never posted this negativity before, please take a rest, Target is a great friend. Have a sabbatical, it would be sad to lose you ❤️ All these years cannot be in vain, there must be a misunderstanding or mistranslation somewhere... Hang in there!Quote:
Posted by GaiaQuote:
Posted by TargeTRelying on a single source or forum for info is a mistake, just as making judgements while in the depths of emotional influence is. ANY form that is moderated will have information gatekeepers, that is unavoidable and apart of "the human condition"; but not necessarily evil or nefarious.Quote:
Posted by Gaia
I'm not in chock that been you becoming on rescue ! You know I always knew you were a pseudonym because they are multiple of Bill Ryan the same with multiple visages on this forum. I have ignored all these pseudonyms over the years fyi. But today I must say that your big arm with your sleeve does not impress me that much. Good luck to you pseudonym!!!
Your not in shock that I am coming to the rescue? What did I rescue exactly (perhaps I attempted to rescue moderation in thought and action, but I'm not sure I was successful). I think you're accusing me of being bill under another name?...Quote:
Posted by Gaia
What if I accuse YOU of being bill with a Canadian accent? (seems ridiculous?) (I mean TargeT is certainly a pseudonym, but its MY pseudonym!)
Haha, I'll have to re-take that picture.. it's forced perspective really, I work at a desk.. my arms are far from big.
Either way (and as an attempt to stay on topic) I was just suggesting that you are right in not staying just with one forum, but excluding information sources is almost as bad as sitting in an echo chamber.
the FE phenomenon is a good representation of this concept.
I'm assuming the 4 *'s could be any one of these words:Quote:
Posted by Gaia
http://positivewordsresearch.com/4-l...ositive-words/
Thanks :)
Bangs daft heads together - this is worse than dealing with naughty chaps in the school playground, take a time-out the pair of you, sleep on it and let’s refocus on something more important tomorrow 👍👍👍
Flat earth bull**** really has the power to divide us doesn't it? Think about who wins in a world where "divide and conquer" has become a winning strategy.Quote:
Posted by Gaia
I'm new here so I'm maybe not a great judge as to who should leave or stay, but I'll stick my neck out a little and and say we, no matter what, shouldn't allow divide and conquer, regardless of where we apply the blame for that tactic, we can't let the tactic win.
BTW I love the Quebec way of expressing things :)
I am pleased to see that Target can take unfounded accusations and insults.
More self moderation required please.
Again I repeat what I said a few years ago regarding the great FE distraction here.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post995385
Adding one more very recent brave heart to my list. :clapping:Quote:
Anyways, My own thoughts are, It is much more important to think about our Mother earths well being, rather than the distraction of her curvy or flat figure.
As they say, each to their own.
Peace.
French sailor François Gabart makes fastest solo circumnavigation
Journey around world took 42 days and 16 hours – six days faster than previous
The French sailor François Gabart has broken the record for sailing solo around the world, circumnavigating the planet in 42 days and 16 hours.
That is more than six days faster than the last record, set by his fellow Frenchman Thomas Coville last year.
The organisers, tracking his journey by satellite, tweeted that 34-year-old Gabart had reached the finish line near Ouessant island off France’s western coast on his trimaran, called Macif, before dawn on Sunday.
Dozens of vessels swarmed around the vessel, accompanying Gabart as he waved torches.
Supporters waited to congratulate him in nearby port of Brest, from where he departed on 4 November and where residents have been following his travels.
“It’s a crazy pleasure … all this human energy,” Gabart said later. “I’m a solitary sailor but this is a pleasure.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rcumnavigation
^ To be fair, that proves nothing. You can still take the same course on the flat earth model...
I laughed so much. I kind of miss the pic, never mind the arm, the expression on your face was my favorite part.Quote:
Posted by TargeT
EDIT: I turned off avatars and just remembered that I did it, your avatar is probably there I just cannot see it anymore (facepalm)
If FE threads (discussion in this case) were roads they'd be closed due to unacceptable fatality rates.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/cust...atar7134_2.gifQuote:
Posted by petraI laughed so much. I kind of miss the pic, never mind the arm, the expression on your face was my favorite part.Quote:
Posted by TargeT
EDIT: I turned off avatars and just remembered that I did it, your avatar is probably there I just cannot see it anymore (facepalm)
;)
One of many topics meant to do just that, and it works really well. There are so many of these hard black/white topics that it's hard NOT to stumble over one and "trigger" someone during day to day interactions.Quote:
Posted by Navigator
great analogy.Quote:
Posted by Rachel
It's still a mystery. Look on montalk.net's FAQ it's the first question. Innuendo?Quote:
Posted by TargeT
No, that really is a list of questions he's frequently asked.Quote:
Posted by petraIt's still a mystery. Look on montalk.net's FAQ it's the first question. Innuendo?Quote:
Posted by TargeT
Here's his comprehensive answer:
It’s a globe, at least here in our 3D reality. The deeper conspiracy is that our reality itself might be a kind of simulation, or temporary reality that’s like a side track to the main real reality, or is in some way a gimped version of the authentic.
As a result, there are certain glitches or inconsistencies in our everyday experiences and in the world (Fortean phenomena, synchronicities, spontaneous invisibility, time warps, etc.) that show the cracks in the façade. Not to mention, what afterlife research, aliens, and metaphysical beings suggest about there being another reality behind the curtain.
I think the flat Earth theory is disinformation meant to distract and keep people limited to lower dimensional thinking instead of thinking hyperdimensionally or metaphysically.
It uses a lot of sleight of hand, wrong assumptions, incomplete assumptions, and lack of sufficient science knowledge to pull various “stage magic” tricks to support the idea that Earth is flat. But if you investigate each of the claims, you can find where their reasoning or assumptions go wrong.
To give one example, cameras on weather balloons have been used by flat Earth theorists to show that even when the balloon gets higher and higher the horizon always stays at eye level instead of dropping and curving as it should on a sphere.
But to do the numbers, balloons don’t actually go that high, as the highest they go is 23 miles. Diameter of Earth is 7,917.5 miles. So if Earth were a basketball, 23.44cm in diameter, a weather balloon then would get 0.7 mm from the surface. That is so close to it, that the horizon of the basketball would be close to eye level. It would be close enough that the difference versus ground level is too small to be obvious in weather balloon photographs.
Another example is that airplanes on long flights don’t have to dip their noses to follow the downward curving contour of the Earth’s surface. Thus it would appear the surface is flat. But the larger the sphere, the flatter its surface appears when you’re close to it.
As an airplane flies over the ground or water below, it is flying almost flat like a ruler, and the ground below is almost flat like a ruler too, except there is a slight curvature to the ground which is matched by the plane’s slight curvature in its path, the two remaining parallel to each other as both curve equally.
These arguments are all along the lines of, “If the sky is blue and the sun yellow, then why isn’t the light that hits us green since blue + yellow = green?” which makes sense only if you don’t know enough about the physics of light scattering and optics.
Like I said, the flat Earth proponents are good at coming up with reasons that tend to fall apart when examined, only to come up with new ones as those previous ones are explained away, only to repeat the cycle further and further.
My point is that out of all the questions in his FAQ, this particular question is at the very top of the list :) Thanks for posting Tom's full answer, I just think it over complicates things personally.Quote:
Posted by Bill RyanNo, that really is a list of questions he's frequently asked.Quote:
Posted by petraIt's still a mystery. Look on montalk.net's FAQ it's the first question. Innuendo?Quote:
Posted by TargeT
He specifically states: "Most recent additions are first on page."Quote:
Posted by petraMy point is that out of all the questions in his FAQ, this particular question is at the very top of the list :) Thanks for posting Tom's full answer, I just think it over complicates things personally.Quote:
Posted by Bill RyanNo, that really is a list of questions he's frequently asked.Quote:
Posted by petraIt's still a mystery. Look on montalk.net's FAQ it's the first question. Innuendo?Quote:
Posted by TargeT
If I may say :flower: — you're reading into this a significance that just isn't there.
Here we have a perfect example of (IMO) WHY the FE push is so big....
FE "conspiracy theory" being used to attack every other conspiracy... because, of course.....
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Did NASA lie? Flat Earth 'conspiracy theory' GROWING thanks to celebrity endorsement
AMERICA’s flat-Earth movement is growing in popularity after celebrity endorsement and outrageous stunts to promote the cause, it has been revealed.
Well in a way, doesn't everything have at least some significance? I just imagine he's probably said "oh not this again" quite a few times by now, his answer is really quite good now that I read it again.Quote:
Posted by Bill Ryan
EDIT: You know what? That is the first question and also the last question. There haven't been any new ones in quite some time, I've been checking back. Maybe he's taking a nice vacation :)
To misbis ( and her loved ones )
Wishing you a happy end to the year, and truly hoping that you've been receiving, across the airwaves, all the love and tenderness , from your friends on PA.
With ALL disclosures, breaching thru', unstoppably,
a time for reconciliation and compassion ! !
Blessings for a bright future :-))
There may be some significance to flat earth theories after all :).
I observe that it is common to explain esoteric matters to people using analogies with things that they are more familiar with.
Such analogies invariably have their limitations, which are just as invariably frustrating to those who actually understand the "esoteric" matter in more native terms/concepts.
For example, when I was a student of physics and mathematics, a long time ago, I understood to some degree Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, and to a greater degree Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem. It greatly frustrated me when my fellow students, majoring in "softer" subjects such as philosophy or creative writing would take these principles or theorems and apply them far outside of their field of applicability (sub-atomic measurements and mathematical set and logic theory, respectively.)
Conclusions drawn from such mis-application of analogies are notoriously unreliable ... analogies prove nothing. At best they can sometimes help illustrate ("paint a picture") of some relation or structure, to someone not well versed in the actual subject being described. But any such illustrative use of such analogies relies heavily on the one proposing the analogy to ensure that the analogy is correctly chosen and applied.
One can paint a picture of the three inch minnow that they did catch, as easily as they can paint a picture of the three fathom shark that they neither caught nor even saw. Painting a scary shark picture and scaring someone with the picture provides zero proof that one encountered a shark, or even went to sea, much less actually caught the shark.
Now, as this applies to flat earth theories ... some people, whose areas of expertise don't include much mathematics or geology or astronomy, probably still understand "flat" (as in table in front of them, or the floor beneath them) and "earth" (as in the ground outside that they might walk on.) However trying to demonstrate to such people that other things are true, or are lies, by using an analogy with the concept of "a flat earth", proves nothing. It often misleads, to a sometimes absurd degree, and frustrates those of us who happen to be more competent in such subjects as mathematics, geology, and astronomy.
Those who know better and still put forth such false analogies are guilty of intellectual fraud, and those who don't know better are guilty of intellectual naivety when they accept such false analogies as convincing arguments in support of false conclusions.
Such misuse of analogies to bamboozle the insufficiently clueful is epidemic in our times (and likely in times past and future as well.) I would put much of the popularization of conventional "modern" science (relativity, quantum mechanics, etc) in that category, as well as some more unconventional "science" (for example time travel, as commonly understood in the alternative media.)
Thus is the significance of "flat earth" theories ... it is a well known example of such a misapplication of analogies (flatness and earthiness, combined, in this case) that happens to have a non-negligible number of people on both "sides" (those who know better, and those who don't), and as usual with such misapplication of analogies, it is an example of the frustration engendered in those who do happen to know better, by those who spout off as if they know enough to participate in such a discussion, at least to the point of asking questions, but who don't know enough to realize or even understand that the very basis for their comments and questions is the gross misapplication of an analogy.