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Hi Edina, I appreciate your thoughtfulness and everything you wrote there!
The situation with Ripple may have been handled just slightly differently than a typical unsubscribe, but I assure you, it wasn't arbitrary. It was talked over and deliberated and given quite a bit of thought.
Let me ask you a question, and I'm being just a little playful here: knowing what you know of Ripple, his personality and approach and so on: does he seem like the sort of guy who'd be willing to make adjustments to satisfy a mod request?:) (in my mind's eye I can see him enthusiastically giving us the bird LOL...and God bless him, that's his style)
Here's the thing: as Bill said, we were getting complaints about Ripple left and right. Despite his admirable wit and intelligence, he was blatantly disrespecting members all over the place.
He was already on very thin ice when he was insulting and disrespectful to Bill, and that was it.
The process of unsubscribing someone isn't perfect, and doesn't always follow the same exact process. And the moderators are far from perfect, but we do our best to make the proper decisions for the greater good of the forum. We're going to make calls that upset some people! And I'm sorry this decision has upset you, but we collectively feel it's the right one.
I think the very basic protocol ought to be to at least contact the person the action is being considered against. That is the minimal level of human decency.
Communication is important to prevent inaccurate assumptions of intent.
You talk of respect.
Do you think it is respectful to members to take actions against them without at least having a conversation with them on the matter in question?
Also, with a protocol in place on how to handle reports, you will have a system to handle people who abuse the reporting system as a means for personal vendettas.
And it will help the staff stay objective, rather than subjective in their decisions.
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Oh and yes, my experiences with ripple is that he is reasonable. In fact, a part of the many misunderstandings that seem to happen in regard to him, is that he highly bent to reason and rational thinking. The intellectual style of communication can feel disrespectful to people who rate high on the feeling style of communication. That doesn't make ripple inherently disrespectful. It means that people have different communication styles.
If you already have a protocol in place, ... that's great.
What is it?
If not, I'm only asking that you consider it.
Like I said, the forum numbers are dwindling for a reason...
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For example, when the actions the staff took against me and Kiwi happened in September, Avalon didn't just lose me, KiwiElf and turiya.
Avalon lost almost 75% of the viewership of this forum, and about 50% of the active online membership dropped.
How that affected donations, I don't know?
The membership is only now recovering. The viewership still hasn't.
That happened for a reason.
Every time it happens the Avalon community grows smaller.
If this is not addressed, at some point, it may not recover, at all.
Watching this happen to so many good and great members over the years is the reason why I didn't fully engage back into the forum, when I returned to follow the QAnon thread.
Think of this as a customer who is giving the business of the Project Avalon Forum valuable customer feedback to the question, "Why are customers not returning?"
And on top of that, offering a potential solution. I'm solutions-focused. An old habit I learned from my days in the Air Force.)
And now it seems we have found your main agenda.
Why does this matter to you?
Why do you use this as an attack?
Both answers speak more about you than the people and methods here.
Am I defending this place lock stock and barrel? Not at all.
On certain topics this place is quite excellent but on others I have to check Mrgrays blog to interact with the forum.
The mods do things I disagree with but I feel they are pretty open about decisions and reasons for them when they make them.
I think Paul for example abuses his mod powers with regularity and is creepy with the data tracking he does on us. If you dont think so then just look at how he busted Corey Goode. While that was an example of doing good with the abuse and NSA like tracking, it is still distrubing to me none the less. But that is also the trade off you make when you starting interacting on a public forum.
I for one do not mourn the loss of any of the members you mentioned.