The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

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Posted by justoneman

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Posted by TraineeHuman

Do you believe that only the physical exists – that spirit is just an epiphenomenon of the body? ...
And how would you explain all my experiences of communicating with dead people and beings, some of whom I have never known? Your comments would seem to imply that there is no such thing as an afterlife. So, according to you is it all hallucination? What about experiences I have which are far more vivid than anything I experience in the physical world?

And what about, e.g., my memories of being conceived, for instance? Not the physical act, but the business that went on in a higher plane. Is that fantasy, according to you?

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One of my very best personal friends is a professional medium. She does not do what she does for "the money" as she does not need money as she is quite wealthy. The clients she takes on are all and only recommended to her by her former clients (thus all and only through word of mouth).

She takes on a client because she cares to help folks who are dealing with the loss of a loved one.

The primary reason she has such great respect and appreciation from her clients is because she is always able to prove to the clients she is indeed in communication with the target Spirit being by telling her clients one or more things the Spirit being knows the client will know that is otherwise an unknown fact to the public much less something that might be known to my friend.

Now I have had hundreds of psi experiences with my friend that were not of the medium variety and so I know her abilities first hand. But this one specific talent proves unequivocally to me that there's far more to life than than the simple passing down of "genetic memories."

I have also developed my own psi abilities where I know this as well.

I recall when I was younger and had the view as shared by FrankoL. ... I suggest one considers "who" or "what" might benefit that "we" share that type of narrow view?

... my intuition smells a rat.

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Quite right, Chester. The position FrankoL espouses forces him to believe that, e.g., all mediumship phenomena, even the really accurate professional mediums and clairvoyants, is pure fantasy.

FrankoL, I don’t agree that I believe anything, when it comes to what’s most important. I don't believe. I take pains to find out how much I don't know, and how much I know. I chose to be born to parents both of whom were atheists, and whose programming of me was all directed at trying to make me materialistic and to be a rich person in my adulthood, and to avoid and devalue anything spiritual or psychic.

FrankoL, let me try to describe the sort of reason why I take it you believe that the whole idea of “spirit” is just an illusion. In the late 1950s Gilbert Ryle, the Professor of Philosophy at Cambridge, completed a small, easy-to-read book called The concept of mind. In that book he very concisely and simply summarized all the possible explanations anyone could come up with of what “mind” is.

He went through each possible explanation and very simply explained why each explanation has absurd implications – or else it implies that what he called “pantheism” must be true. There were at least about five explanations which led to “pantheism” or else they fell over.

His conclusion was that while we suppose that there is something we call “mind’, that whole notion is illusory. That in effect, we are seeing a complex machine and using the concept of mind because we want to explain its workings by saying there must be a ghost in the machine running it all.

His conclusion depended on the assumption that “pantheism” – or, rather, the existence of one Great Spirit in us all -- is untrue. However, a majority of the members of this Forum subscribe to the notion of that Great Spirit, or something similar.

In my case, I experienced the Great Spirit directly and in a fairly full way at the age of fifteen. So, I don’t believe anything. I either know, or I don’t know. And in this case I know.

I do appreciate, though, that some spiritual people get to a point where they deeply realise that at a deep level reality is profoundly unified. And that a sharp split between “matter” and “spirit” cannot be the deeper truth. Through insight or analysis such as along the lines of Gilbert Ryle’s, they opt to say that everything that’s real must be matter, and the rest must be illusion. This is in contrast to the majority view on this Forum, that everything that’s real is spirit, and that matter is just a denser form of spirit.

If I was addressing professional philosophers I could point to many huge inadequacies in punting in favor of matter, despite all the conditioning of recent centuries to favor such a choice. Instead, though, let me give you all a very quick (and very partial) critique of the whole notion of “matter” just as it has been explored by physicists. (Believe me, a philosophical critique would leave the notion of “matter” in even greater tatters.)

The history of physics has been to attempt to analyse what “matter” is. Since the early twentieth century, however, it has been discovered that where “matter” was assumed to exist there is only forms and space. Absolutely nothing else. Even subatomic “particles”, on analysis, have been proved to reduce to nothing but form and space. (I understand this inspired movements like abstract expressionism to emerge.)

Moreover, it has been proved that supposedly inert space is always “curved”. Here, if physicists were intellectually honest, they wouldn’t call it “curved” but “intelligent”, or “active”. But physicists have assumed in advance that the only thing that is real is matter. Hence, since “empty” space contains no matter, they dare not even hint to the public that non-matter could also be at work in the universe.

Similarly, it has more recently been proved beyond all doubt that at least 80% of the physical universe contains something which is not matter and not energy. What do the physicists do here? They certainly don’t call it “mind” – which they should morally do if they were truly “objective” in the debate regarding “mind” versus “matter”. Instead, even though they have totally proved that it cannot be matter nor energy, they insist on calling it “dark matter and dark energy”. (they should either call it "dark space", or else admit that something completely unlike matter lies "above" and has considerable impact on or control over matter.) Talk about conditioning. Talk about clinging to a belief system in the face of some of the most undeniable facts in the whole history of modern science.

And in the societies and academies of sciences, none dare call it conspiracy.

Great post #161 - you nailed it. I would add that experiments such as the Double Slit experiment demonstrate how the observer affects the observation which suggests the subjective/objective relationship we share and how consciousness is unarguably tied to what we call "matter."

Of course, then one must experiment with what is known as "magic" - something I found very early on was far less interesting than simply experiencing the magic of the all where a greater intelligence than me - which one might call Great Spirit as TH does has a far better show to be in than the one I have tried to make on my own.

As I mentioned in other posts there's some cool slogans I discovered through AA - one is "Let go and let God... I just replace the word "God" due to all the polarization that word carries with the two words "Great Spirit" and then I apply the slogan.

This is why I simply love life and enjoy life's challenges.

TH - I will post some of my stuff in my other thread sometime in the morning when I am fresh with a few cups of coffee. I will do it all respectful of the intentions behind the forum guidelines. I also studies a bit about that pantheism materials - it did not click with me. justoneman

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Posted by justoneman

,,, I will share what "lucid" means to me.

My dreams can be divided into two groups.

Group A is where I am having a dream but appear only to be an observer of the dream. I am simply watching a movie in this state.

Then there is Group B - "lucid dreaming."

There are two types of dreams in this Group B - One type is a dream in which I am able to experience a conscious "direction" of the dream - just like a director of a movie (though I have never experienced full control).

The other type within Group B is when I actually see myself in the dream as one of the actors and I am able to direct "me" in the dream just like in real life but the coolest thing about this is that because I am doing so in the "subtle real" (which is another term for our "dreaming state" the actual realm is fluid (not solid) and so the realm itself is able to "change" outside of the rules we have come accustomed to in our "waking state" which is also referred to as our "gross" state of experience.

The key is that "you" whoever/whatever that is, takes an active role in the dream as the dream develops as opposed to simply being the observer.

Because I have noted these two dream states (which are actually three because of the two types of "lucid dreaming" I do, I found an interesting parallel to what those who are taught the practice of meditation sometimes achieve which is the experience of being the awareness behind the awareness of "me" or (the awareness of the face behind the face).
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So "lucid" dreaming is where "i" (whoever/whatever "I" might be) take an conscious, active roll in the development of the dream.

I have been able to enjoy battle with all sorts of horrors in the dream state and found the simple, always easy to do, never failing technique that when "the bad guys" have me surrounded - I simply wake up!
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You're right, Chester. Lucid dreaming is when we take control and change the dream itself, or at least how we behave within the dream.

However, one can also be actively OB, and aware that one is aware while OB, without dreaming or being asleep or having one's eyes closed at the time.

Your mentioning you've kept a dream journal reminds me that there's another exercise everyone needs to do. That is to keep a dream journal by their bed, and to write in it, as far as possible, within the first minute of waking up, including times when you wake up during the night and manage to actually get out of bed.

For many individuals, this seems to be possibly the most helpful exercise for learning to gain more control of their OB travel.

Some further thoughts about lucidity, and about the problem of how does a beginner learn to go lucid regularly?

As I've mentioned, early on I learnt to "hover" with eyes open in any relatively quiet situation in ordinary life. For instance, around that time I mostly used public transport. I had a long bus trip to and from my place of work each day. I could deliberately "hover", so because it was deliberate, and I would turn it on and off at will, you could maybe almost, but not quite,say that was "lucid". What I also found was that whenever the bus went around a corner quickly -- which some buses did -- for some months it initially felt to me as if I was losing grip of my body altogether. Very scary, though thrilling, except for the scary part. The feeling was quite similar to how you feel on a roller coaster at those moments when you could absolutely swear the coaster car you are sitting in is definitely going to crash, or fall off the rails.

That reminds me of one thing I used to experience during my first three years of nightly astral travel. The beginning would always involve a feeling in the solar plexus that seemed as if my belly was collapsing altogether. Almost like I was about to become nauseous and vomit, except the vomiting never came and even the nausea vanished quickly too. After years of daily practice, though, I eventually stopped noticing that sensation, and various others.

So, I would conclude that beginners need to get to the point where they're used to certain strange sensations, particularly the one in the belly and the Vibrations, until they can just about ignore them, because they've become second nature. Once such distractions are out of the way, then the OB traveler can focus on controling and modifying their whole OB journey -- a control which seems to amount to "lucidity".

Last night I was (dreaming) i was in a small studio setting with the band Pink Floyd though I only recognized David Gilmour (who had long hair but was near his age now...) and I was one of the invited guests to watch their performance. Now get this - and this makes zero sense... Pee Wee Herman was involved and he appeared to be playing the role of a producer and/or sound engineer. The dream was vivid and I was very lucid. The invited guests were no more than a dozen of us as it was in a small studio. Also, all the instruments were acoustic and the band had 5 or 6 overall band members. All sat in chairs with Gilmour in the center. I do not know if Roger Waters nor any other member of that band was there but it was definitely Pink Floyd and not David Gilmour and a band...

Was a cool and fun dream and I awoke once and because the dream was so fun, I made myself fall back asleep so the dream might continue (a technique I also use sometimes... especially when I have a bad dream and want to make the dream turn good).

Anyways I promised to post some stuff in my other thread but I am friends with Peter Moon (from the Montauk materials) and he asked me to review his latest newsletter called the Montauk Pulse - I have emerged as a minor role player for him... in this case I send him what I believe should be corrections. I really will get to this promised post but life happens and I do my best to prioritize. In this case its a favor for a friend that came up... hope ya'll understand.

to TH - I hope one day to learn how to OB from my waking state. In fact, Peter Moon is a "bi-location" specialist since the 70s... a technique he learned while involved with the early good old days of Scientology. He is now all into the Tao and Chi Gong. Take Care... Chester

I agree on what you have been pointing out. We will never completely understand or agree what physical is all about. However, physical world can be experienced for everyone in exactly the same way, for all living beings (physical/natural laws). No exception. Therefore we should pay much more attention on how the game is being played out. Here and now.

Imagine you have only one chance to play. The knowledge is essential for you to survive. Your lineage depends on it. Prime example is animal world, so cruel, so real. Only the smartest and the healthiest survive. It is exactly the same to ours without a veil of delusion.

It might happen that current abundance will vanish and it might no longer support your continued existence as you know it. Once the financial façade is removed no medium will help you out. Guaranteed! Physical world is survival. Again, how the construct is built is not even relevant and is impossible to grasp.

I acknowledge other realms to exist, within me. I assume everyone has their own inner world. Each one is different and therefore impossible to ‘standardize’ principals in contrast to material realm (individual experiences, knowledge). Inner world is entirely your instrument to know yourself (direct access to accumulated knowledge). Most likely is being discarded in favor of illusion/self delusion. It is risky to take part in a play not knowing the role. In addition, human body is highly programmable, for obvious reason. Especially at night. All in all, I share same your opinion that body and mind are two different sides of the same coin.

To cut to the chase, there is only a slight difference in both philosophies. Either you never die or one bet at your disposal. Which would be recommendation to the enemy?

FrankoL, I don't agree that people have only one bet and it is this lifetime, while they have this physical body. I see that as ancient fear-mongering from the Egyptian religion. On the other hand, although it's true that every one of us is eternal, it's possible an individual could remain eternally "asleep". That's why it's so important that everyone finds a way to wake up, to understand how to be The Watcher or (at least) their 6D self or their HS, or whatever you call it. The physical world is a world of contrast, and in that contrast there is opportunity to learn that one doesn't get in the even slightly higher worlds. Don't stay asleep for eternity, folks. Even if you can keep reincarnating in some physical world indefinitely, what will survive death won't be most of who you think you are, if you're asleep like probably the majority of the population. That's why it's important to travel OB or meditate masterfully -- so that you know that the detached part is the real you, and that's what goes on forever.

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Posted by justoneman

Last night I was (dreaming) i was in a small studio setting with the band Pink Floyd though I only recognized David Gilmour (who had long hair but was near his age now...) and I was one of the invited guests to watch their performance. Now get this - and this makes zero sense... Pee Wee Herman was involved and he appeared to be playing the role of a producer and/or sound engineer. The dream was vivid and I was very lucid....
Was a cool and fun dream and I awoke once and because the dream was so fun, I made myself fall back asleep so the dream might continue (a technique I also use sometimes... especially when I have a bad dream and want to make the dream turn good).

to TH - I hope one day to learn how to OB from my waking state. In fact, Peter Moon is a "bi-location" specialist since the 70s... a technique he learned while involved with the early good old days of Scientology. He is now all into the Tao and Chi Gong. ..

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Firstly, it's noticeable to me how similar this dream seems, in its general themes, to the one with GWB. It's good to ask yourself what is the dream trying to show you that you're not facing about yourself? Maybe -- just to give an example -- some kind of feeling of inferiority? Maybe -- more likely -- the opposite: of being very much unrecognised for your true talents and valuable contributions? Maybe that at the moment, for whatever reason, you need plenty of proof -- or just a little reassurance -- to yourself of just how valuable and intelligent and out-of-the-box thinking and living you are?

Secondly, I find Q'i Gong very powerful, and would recommend it to everyone. Even though it's exercise, it's still a very valid form of meditation -- which is quite a paradox in itself. I love to do walking q'i gong. But I don't do it much because fifteen minutes of it it leaves me sort of intoxicated with bliss for hours afterwards. I haven't met anybody else on whom it has quite that effect. It's great for anybody, though. A woman in China cured herself of very advanced cancer just through practising it. And, it's a great way to safely learn to begin to bi-locate. That's because you're doing the exercise, and therefore in your body, yet the energizing is so strong that your energy body gets stronger than normal, and hence you're more aware of it than normally.

Q'i Gong sounds good! How do you do it?

Edit: Bi-location? Is that a physical thing, or more like an OBE?

AwakeInADream, I don't have drawings to show anyone how to do walking q'i gong. I do know that many Chinese people seem to consider it the most precious secret treasure of their culture. (Vietnamese and Cambodians also, but they're semi-Chinese anyway.)

Basically, before each step forward you swing both arms forward parallel to each other and bending at the elbows so that the hands are roughly vertical at the top of the forward swing. Having completed the forward swing, you'll extend the arms and swing them backward as far as they'll go behind you, still vertically parallel to each other all the way. As soon as you begin the backward swing, you raise one of your knees vertically, then swing the foot below it forwards (from the knee) and then back to where it was when you raised your knee initially (a moment ago). Then you stamp the heel of that foot vertically down very hard indeed, only several inches forward of where it began, As you stamp the heel, your arms should at that instant be passing from forward of your body to behind.

That's basically the simple version, except that as you stamp you breathe out strongly; and before that, you slowly breathe in throughout the time your arms are swinging forward. You do the above with one leg, then the other, then back to the first leg, and so on.

Ideally, after about ten steps you also do it walking backwards as well as forwards. The backwards walk is almost the same as for forwards,except that your foot comes down several inches behind instead of in front.

There is also an abdominal breathing routine that's supposed to go with this. But I've never managed to do that, and I still get results that feel amazing. My coordination isn't fantastic when I do it either, but that doesn't seem to matter. It does take practice to learn to coordinate your breathing in and out with your arm-swinging and stepping.

Bilocation is experiencing OB phenomena at the same time as you're fully awake and also experiencing physical world phenomena.

More about lucidity and also about q’i gong. When performing walking q’i gong, you need to be aware that you’ll leave some negative energy for about a full ten meters behind you. It’s a good idea not to have your back towards your home or your car or friends. You’ll also create quite strong positive energy for a similar distance in front of you.

Strangely, it’s quite safe to do q’i gong outdoors in the open. This is because that exercise incorporates plenty of grounding techniques. This is in contrast to meditating, or, for a beginner, astral traveling outdoors. Let me explain about the latter two.

I remember how in the first three plus years when I was regularly astral travellling I noticed I was usually using the ceiling and walls of my bedroom as directional benchmarks. I used these both while exiting the physical body and usually while returning to it. It was much easier that way. It enabled me to get some out-of-body bearings before I went rushing off somewhere.

It can be dangerous even for many very experienced meditators to meditate outdoors. This is so because there are no flat, very obvious directional indicators on the same scale as walls are. So, your energy field’s location can be somewhat unknown to you, hence the danger of being influenced by who knows what energy from elsewhere . However, many experienced meditators receive strong protection from nature spirits. For instance, no doubt this is what Dawn received in her late night wanderings in the wild that she describes near the beginning of the “Breatharianism…” thread.

Meditators simply concentrate on doing the process of meditation, and forgetting anything else. Unless they’re very experienced, they therefore don’t notice that deep meditation normally takes them OB. At the same time, meditation puts them in a state where they are more aware, more awake. So, we get the paradox that meditators go OB (or bilocated) but often or usually don’t notice, even though they are “awake” at the time.

Hi TH, is it possible when OOB to not be able to find your body, even if indoors?
thx-lb

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Posted by lookbeyond

Hi TH, is it possible when OOB to not be able to find your body, even if indoors?
thx-lb

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Thank you, lb. I’m sure I managed to confuse other people as well. My apologies, folks.

Your inner body is the real you, so you can never lose that. What may have confused people might be better rephrased as follows.

Firstly, a person who is learning astral travel is well advised initially to use the walls and ceiling of their bedroom to help develop a sense of being in some other location than their physical body.

Secondly, I unfortunately let slip that there can be a danger in meditating out in the open. However, what I do is I visit a beautiful place several times before I try to meditate there. The first time I go, I consciously introduce myself to the most senior nature spirits – who mostly like to hang out near the tops of some of the tallest trees. One of the next times I visit, I notice or sense them welcoming me, and then I know they will provide any protection I may need while meditating there. I do occasionally also come across some natural areas where the spirits really don’t want any humans there, period.

Maybe the question could be turned around to ask: Can a person lose their connection to their physical body while OB?

When a person completely loses their connection to their physical body, that is what we call death. At any other time, the higher body (or higher being) remains connected to the physical body by the silver cord. This seems to me to be made of pure light, rather than energy. Its color is actually violet, with many bright glowing white points along it. I happen to have noticed that my silver cord was the thing that pulled me down and into the physical world, awaiting birth, after I was conceived. I assume that’s where this cord comes from in everyone’s case.

These days I avoid the 4D world as far as possible, but when I first used to travel in it I would always locate and see that silver cord. It was very reassuring back then to know that it was there, and that if I kind of tugged on it I’d be back in my body smoothly in a matter of seconds.

It’s a shame not every astral traveler seems to be able to see this cord. However, any OOB traveler who desires to return to their body tugs on this cord often without realizing they’re doing it. It’s like a reflex action. And it always quickly returns them back – sometimes too quickly, as in sleep paralysis. But everyone should rest assured it's always there and it always brings you back safely. Also, if you're in a tight spot in a dream, you can use it to wake up and end the dream, which Chester has mentioned he did (well, he got out of the unpleasant dream by ending it, even if he didn't know he was pulling the safety cord).

My mother used to be extremely clairvoyant. When she died, she tried to wait until I was asleep. I think her intention was perhaps that I would somehow escort her where she needed to go via the dream world, and allay her fear. However, that night I felt very energized, no doubt because she had been reaching out to me in some way. Also, everybody releases a great deal of energy as they die, and even just before and afterwards. I stayed up till almost 5 a.m. completing some work, since extra energy was available. Several minutes after I fell asleep, she departed from her physical body. She felt very confused, and a few minutes later I was woken up to find her attempting to walk-in into my physical body. For five minutes it felt partly like a wrestling match, and as if she were trying to lodge on and in my back and the back of my neck. I seemed to win the wrestling match, but as she withdrew she said that at that point she realised her attempt to take my body had been ethically not right.

Obviously, she had known immediately that she had lost her physical body. And she did then initially feel lost in her astral body – but she had certainly not lost her astral body.

I remember reading how on one occasion Ramana Maharshi went “absent” from his body for I think over two weeks before coming back. In the meantime his body was kind of frozen in a state of paralysis. I guess that proves it’s possible to get so engrossed OB that for two weeks one can forget that one has a physical body. So maybe it’s the physical body that one can misplace, rather than one’s astral body.

Hi TH i did mean was it possible to not find your physical body when astral travelling, so from wht u are saying the silver cord prevents this.What would hav happened to your AB if your Mum had displaced your AB and entered your PB?-lb

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Hi TH i did mean was it possible to not find your physical body when astral travelling, so from wht u are saying the silver cord prevents this.What would hav happened to your AB if your Mum had displaced your AB and entered your PB?-lb

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My mum would then have become what’s known as a “walk-in”. There was some discussion of walk-ins on the Forum around two years ago. In my experience, walk-ins are rare, but most of the walk-ins I do know about for sure involved the new “inhabitant” pushing the old one out against their will, through simply being more powerful beings.

In my mother’s case, while wrestling with me she tried to sell me the picture telepathically that it would be convenient for me to end my life at that point. She somehow knew that I didn’t have much of a fear of death, and would be happy enough to move on if the time had come.

If a walk-in is successfully carried out, the former owner of the body in effect dies and goes through almost the normal process, such as playing a tape of their whole life up to the point of departure over and over.

Hi TH and thread contributors and viewers.

I made a post here -

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...748#post610748

that relates to a quote of THs which was in regards to one of my dreams. I posted in my own goofy thread as it just seems wiser this post is over there and not derail this thread as this thread is moving along great in its intended direction.

Best to All - Chester

The underlying motivation behind wanting to look at your dreams is an admirable one. After all, nearly all dreams do take place in 4D or higher. Which means they’re evidence of an area where you are being at least somewhat “awake” there as a spirit.

It does sadden my heart, though, that many members don’t seem to get it. Most dreams are messages from your HS, but they’re about precisely the last things you want to listen to right now about yourself. Those messages are always very, very simple when/if you get to hear the real message. Way simpler than the intellectual interpreting I’ve seen even in this thread. Problem is, your whole conscious mind, under the influence of your ego, always puts on a diversionary operation to try to throw you way off track. Unless you can learn the truth of this through direct experience, you probably won’t be able to accept this. That means you’ll waste plenty of time playing intellectual games of so-called dream analysis. They won’t serve you really. They’re an insult to the HS, that’s for sure.

I’ve already given one exercise – in post #24 – that will even help you to begin to learn how to listen to the symbolic language your HS uses. I’ve already talked about some of this in post #143.

I’m not saying, either, that critical and conceptual analysis aren’t very important in raising our level of consciousness and awareness. But certainly not when it comes to looking at dreams. I guess that topic of why analysis is important in certain areas deserves a post of its own.

Hi TraineeHuman!:)

I've got a few (just curiosity) questions for you.

Have you ever tested the validity of your OBE experience with an experiment, like getting a friend to place an unusual object somewhere and you going OBE to find out what it is?
(That would be one of the first things I'd do, just to prove it to myself)

Also. Have you ever been anywhere 'top secret' like Area 51, The Vatican's Vault's, Under the Pyramid's or to the Moon?
(Jake mentions in his Ebook that he couldn't get to the Moon as a voice warned him off)

This brings up another question...

Do Governments and other agencies have some form of psychic protection to stop people from entering their facilities during OBE's?

Oh! And How far can a person go in OBE? Is it possible to leave this Solar System/Galaxy/Universe?

I don’t use OB travel these days unless it’s for a specific purpose. I do use it for psychic healing. At least four or five of the eight members I mentioned visiting earlier on told me I had described some details about them very accurately. Also three others who subsequently requested healing for themselves and a relative or two have also told me I described I think all of them, and their current biggest problem, accurately.

But I do find myself sometimes using it to find out important information regarding my individual wellbeing or my career, and so on. I don’t go poking around in other people’s business, and certainly not in places like defence installations. They have extensive psychic protection of their own set up these days to block anybody from “reading” them. Maybe that’s why the teachers of remote viewing all went public. Maybe such psychic masking meant they couldn’t probe Russian or Chinese installations any longer through remote viewing?

One good example of the type of information-gathering I use OB travel for nowadays was something that happened several decades back. At that time I belonged to what it seems to me was in effect a sect/cult even though its members led normal lives and worked normally. I had grown suspicious of the leader. One night I found myself awake in a bodiless dimension (6D or higher) and visiting that leader. He was OB, discussing strategy with someone I at the time identified as his off-sider. The latter didn’t realise who I was, and took me for a being who didn’t need any 3D body – which I guess was true. She (or that OB being) was very interested in recruiting me to join some other such beings with whom she claimed the two of them were working. I kept expressing strong moral objections at how I understood she and the leader were telling me they regarded and treated the cult members. She (that OB being) kept saying: “They’re only cattle. They don’t have any rights. We can do what we like with them, it doesn’t matter.” She (or that being) kept saying that over and over to me. And also kept saying that what they were doing was experiments, using the cult members as guinea pigs. The purpose of the experiments was to find discoveries that could be useful to certain higher level beings, and not the humans. If some of their experiments worked, then lucky humans. If not, then the humans would maybe have been ripped off by their promises and of all the money they had paid. But cattle have no rights. Eventually, the leader managed to identify who I was. He then tried to use the most crude, old-fashioned hypnosis method to try to get me to forget all about this. “You are getting sleepy now. You will go to sleep and when you wake up, you will not remember anything about this.” Like hell I wouldn’t.

Not long after that I was booted out of the cult on the grounds that I supposedly wasn’t changing and developing as quickly as any of the other members.

Is it possible to go beyond the entire physical multiverse in OB travel? You bet it is.

I find it intriguing that the only ET races that ever seem to get discussed are all races from 3D. What about all the other races from 6D and beyond, that don't have any physical location anywhere, except when they choose to? (I guess the guardian angels are one of many such groups. I did talk about the guardian angels at https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38661

Does that answer all of those questions enough, AwakeInADream?

Could critical analysis possibly improve one’s ability to access OB experiences? How can I suggest that, especially in the light of my remarks in post #177?

Well, let me try to explain why critical analysis can often help raise your general level of awareness. Admittedly, that will not specifically help you to learn to experience OB realities more quickly. But it will help whatever techniques or exercises you practice, to get you OB traveling sooner and better.

Of course, we use critical thinking/analysis in pretty much all our posts on the Forum. But I’d like to point out that historically speaking, having the freedom and the know-how to apply critical thinking has been rare for thousands of years at least. It’s quite recent. Your great grandparents probably didn’t know how to use it, unless they were “extremely well” educated.

If you care to examine the world around you critically, you’re automatically also taking a critical look at parts of yourself. Usually you won’t realise you’re doing it. That’s because your self is the lens through which you view everything else.

Heightened awareness – such as of you as The Watcher or the OB you —centrally involves looking in two directions. One direction of looking is out – at the world. The other direction is in, at yourself. The trick is being able to do them both at the same time.

Notice how in many of Chester’s posts you can actually see it happening. He’s looking in both directions at the same time, and the looking in keeps opening new insights in the world out there, and vice versa.