This thread is an offshoot of my Miles Mathis thread which started out defending some major writers against the accusation of working for intelligence, and for the wrong people, and for somehow been fakers writers, i.e. vastly overrated and destructive rather than creative. It later moved on to looking at how a wouldbe poet ended up in espionage: namely James Jesus Angleton of the CIA. Angleton befriended Ezra Pound, thirty years his senior, and whether deliberately or not, Mathis lays into Pound instead of Angleton...
This fascinating subject led to a couple of very lengthy posts that have probably finished off the last of my brave readers on that thread. What I have to say here is no easier than the rest, I’m afraid (not my fault), but I want to give the reader a chance by dividing it into six or seven posts. Take your time.
These last few posts
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1125347
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1126072
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1127054
segue into the material presented below and would likely explain any minor detail not clear here. This is standalone material regarding the JFK assassination with current relevance inasmuch as 22 November 1963 has been mentioned in connection with inauguration day; if anything happened tomorrow, then once again it would have nothing to do with the Russians.
So James Jesus Angleton had a middle name. It seems he also had, vicariously at least, another last name as ugly as the middle name was beautiful, that of his friend, colleague and possibly last surviving supporter, one R(obert) T(rumbull) Crowley.
We saw earlier how Chomsky’s reputation is by no means enhanced by his denial of CIA involvement in the JFK assassination, because any cogent explanation is going to state otherwise, albeit amid a shroud of lies. One such is supplied by Gregory Douglas in his book Regicide: The Official Assassination of John F. Kennedy (Monte Sano Media, 2002), which names the chief plotters as Angleton and this Crowley. We’ve had several Joyces and Lewises (there were even two Wyndham Lewises): here’s another Crowley, like his namesake contending for the title of the world’s wickedest man by releasing for publication his own CIA papers self-confessedly purloined by himself upon his retirement.
What we have here is the equivalent of Crowley’s deathbed confession (postmortem embargo) which if true amounts to the deathbed confession that Angleton never had the guts to make – just as he never had the guts to kill himself. This is not a value judgment or a suggestion that the present writer is any braver, nor yet a pretence of knowing more about those circumstances than I actually do. Simply, Crowley’s placing ‘himself squarely in the middle of the conspiracy’ (p.112) did require great courage, and in the face of suicide, an act that also requires that the fear of death be somehow overcome, Angleton, for whatever reason, pulled up short. If he was lacking in bravery – no criticism intended – then no personal confession would ever be expected; meaning that Crowley’s story is the next best thing, and indeed the only alternative inasmuch as the CIA itself is unlikely ever to come forward. My point here relates to any assessment of the Crowley testimony. While little or nothing is known about Crowley, Angleton’s ‘unclassified’ bio in the declassified document I quoted earlier states that ‘Angleton is one of the most written about US intelligence figures ever’. If Crowley and Angleton were joined at the hip, then all the intel we have on the latter can be harnessed to form an opinion on the Crowley material (in which they feature prominently respectively as JJA (so he did use his middle initial at least) and RTC). On the one hand, how much sense does it make to view the JFK assassination as having been masterminded by JJA? And on the other, how much does this master work undermine or enhance the picture we have built up of the man JJA?
Obviously some of this story is going to be deliberately wrong: anything about the CIA will inevitably involve a plausible deniability getout clause. In this case, the author’s name says it all. Gregory Douglas is a pseudonym for Peter Stahl, who boasts authorship of the fake Hitler Diaries not the forged documents per se, but the research content that fooled some eminent historians. The trouble of course with fakers is that they have to be damned good at whatever they do; in a sense they need to know a lot more about their victim’s method than the victim ever consciously knew. We should not focus on the dishonesty to the point of ignoring the technical feat.
One anchor point in reality is of course Crowley himself; a good starting point regarding authentication of Douglas’s bona fides would be John Simkin at Spartacus educational.
Regarding the authenticity of the documents reproduced, which do not bear the usual SECRET or TOP SECRET at the top and bottom of each page, this is readily explainable if they did not pass through the CIA filing system. This would indeed explain why the one mention of TOP SECRET is punctuated with an ironic exclamation mark/point. The documents would be way above top secret simply because Angleton, Crowley, and maybe one or two others, had them hidden in vaults within vaults – until he and Crowley took them home.
Some of Douglas’s most virulent critics are Holocaust deniers, perhaps not the most reliable witnesses to call upon, shall we say, such as Mark Weber one of whose most virulent critics is another Holocaust denier, Robert Faurisson. So basically we are in the position of examining Douglas’s story mostly for internal consistency, much as a guy like Angleton would be doing in vetting a defector, and secondarily how, as possible fiction, it is stitched together with known realities. In Weber’s above-linked article, the title ‘Not Quite the Hitler Diaries’ is a giveaway: this is more of the same from Gregory Douglas. He may well be right, but reliance on the official story of Hitler’s last days is not the best way to refute the basic thesis that Gestapo chief Heinrich Mueller worked for the CIA. Another thing, personal aversion is merely clouding his judgement: these are not nice people we are talking about; what did he expect?Quote:
One CIA psychologist, Dr. Jerrold Post, who visited Angleton's office later, noted that the place felt like a fortress (...) Angleton also maintained his own special vault room just across the hall. Access to this secure chamber was granted only in the presence of Angleton or the indomitable Bertha. The vault had specially strengthened walls, an electronic pushbutton entry system for access during working hours, and a combination door lock for night security. This was the secret heart of Angleton's secret world... http://spartacus-educational.com/SSangleton.htm
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David Wise, Molehunt (1992) (...)
It was a library like room with a door that had to be opened by a combination lock. There many of the materials he needed were at hand-the vault, for example, contained thirty-nine volumes on Philby alone, all the Golitsin "serials," as Angleton had called the leads provided by his prize defector, and all of the Nosenko files.
But even this secure vault had not been Angleton's sanctum sanctorum. Inside the vault was another smaller vault, secured by pushbutton locks, which contained the really secret stuff, on George Blake, Penkovsky, and other spy cases deemed too secret for the outer vault.
Kalaris thought Cram's study would be a one-year assignment. When Cram finally finished it in 1981, six years later, he had produced twelve legal-sized volumes, each three hundred to four hundred pages. Cram's approximately four-thousand-page study has never been declassified. It remains locked in the CIA's vaults.
The trouble with Heinrich Mueller/Müller stories is that there was not one man of that name, or two, but several, probably many. If people can confuse two Wyndham Lewises, one would expect all kinds of mistakes to be made, such as finding Mueller in a Jewish cemetery or his wife Sophie identifying a stranger as her husband (Wikipedia). Wikipedia, which makes no mention of Gregory Douglas’s work (although German Wiki does), passes on the CIA view that Mueller went to the Soviet Union, although it also describes his destruction of ‘Nazi opposition groups’ and his anti-communism (not much right-wing opposition in Nazi Germany I guess):
Crowley cuts to the chase: a 2001 FOIA request notwithstanding (he was already dead by then), the CIA did have knowledge of Müller’s activity in the US since ‘he was the man who had worked with Müller when the former Gestapo chief arrived in Washington in 1948’ (Douglas’s emphasis, p.110). It was Crowley who approached Douglas in 1993, on learning that Douglas was in contact with Müller, ‘then a resident of Piedmont, California’ (p.109). Hence Crowley does not merely confirm Douglas’s Müller books (first publication in 1994); he actually ‘supplied the author with official documentation on Müller’s postwar employment by the American intelligence community’ (p.109). This is just Crowley’s first point of divergence with his former employer the CIA, and of convergence with Douglas, whose past as a faker he maybe felt as a layer of plausible deniability of his own – whether that would be comforting to him in his confession or simply done out of habit, I don’t know; maybe it was just because Douglas was in the right place at the right time.Quote:
Under his leadership, the Gestapo succeeded in infiltrating and to a large extent, destroying Nazi opposition groups like the underground networks of the left-wing Social Democratic Party and Communist Party.[39][40] Along these lines, historian George C. Browder asserts that Müller's "expertise and his ardent hate for Communism guaranteed his future"
So Douglas has a complex backstory to his research; this is not a briefcase of documents that someone conveniently forgot in the back of a taxi. If this is a forgery, then he is taking a lot of unnecessary risks instead of a few shortcuts. For example, he has also transcripts of his telephone ‘Conversations with the Crow’ in which the two discuss Roswell, UFOs and aliens.
The question here is, Why feed the trolls? Either this involves several layers of deception and a calculated high risk, or it is something that was actually said and simply not censored, in an attempt to set out the truth in a truthful manner.Quote:
RTC: The Air Force would have it but we don’t. We had nothing to do with it but it was common knowledge that there were visitors not from this world.
GD: I don’t want to spend much time on this because if I do, the critics will jump on it and claim I’m a Flying Saucer Nut. They already hate me and this would only give them more ammunition.
The bottom line on this unending truth or hoax debate is that it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth and the overriding urge to steer well clear of the whole business. This urge is also created by the unsavouriness of the characters involved. Douglas admits in his conversation with Crowley to having participated in various termination operations, showing they are both on the same page. He also clearly makes stuff up in the same vein seemingly intending to make even Crowley uncomfortable, this a man who can describe how Corsican mobsters are cut up and fed to crabs in pots. This sickening urge is the opposite of the morbid fascination of the bystander. Between the two is an attitude of actively seeking to repair the real violent damage caused by a man’s brains being splashed across the public space. We cannot cross the road and disgustedly walk past on the other side.
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