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Bill Ryan
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felix roseczky
so i shall stfu? is that what you try to tell me?
Yes, please. (When it comes to judging other members whom you don't know yet.)
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felix roseczky
if this is common sense in this space i m probably wrong here.
Yes, you are. It's common sense that my dog is a dog. Not a cat. I can see that, and if you met my dog, so could you.
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felix roseczky
i see the existence like a child. eyes wide open.
But a child could also see my dog is a dog. :)
Children ask good questions. But smart children are willing to learn fast.
It's fine for a 3 year old (or even a 6 year old) to think the Earth may be flat, and ask questions about it. But if a 33 year old thinks the Earth is flat, it simply means they've not learned much the past 30 years.
Bill, with humble respect, I think this is too strong. I don't really want to be involved in this particular discussion any more, but as far as I have been, I don't think I can let this go. And it pains me to be 'at odds' with you here. I feel there's is a certain amount of unfairness going on surrounding this thread, and I personally don't think felix, and a few others, deserve this treatment.
As far as I can tell, I think what felix has said, that you're referring to here, is similar to what I've said: something along the lines of "no one can know anything for certain, so what's the point in getting upset with anyone, who believes anything?"
I agree, that in a specific debate about earth shape, or countless other things, this argument is REALLY not very helpful. But in a situation where beliefs are being attacked, ridiculed and belittled, I think is. Vitally important, in fact. I think this is where, sometimes, a confusion has been happening.
I think it's unhelpful, in the extreme, to refer to people as children, who don't go with a round earth model. If indeed that's what you were doing. It might seem painfully obvious to you, and others, but to some it's obviously not.
You know, funnily enough, I can't help but see anyone who isn't able to grasp that they can't know ANYTHING for CERTAIN, as a bit child like. Reasoning about what it's possible to know, leads to this: nothing, outside of one's own consciousness, can ever be fully verified, or fully proven, or fully stated as fact. But for some (possibly most) this seems impossible to acknowledge.
If you're as intolerant as you seem to be about flat-earth theories, why not make an Avalon declaration of some kind, that people could be referred to. Then people would know what to expect if they push an agenda of wanting to debate it, and it might save on 7 pages of hoolabagooba :) Just a thought.