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Putting your diversionary tactics to one side, I'd be still interested to read your opinion about the material in the video you posted. Despite the fact that it's been posted and discussed previously, you've not been part of the discussions, so now's your chance!
PS You asked for my opinion by posting this thread on the open forum.
PPS Who's this "Newman" you're referring to?
Don't mis understand this post and as far as I'm concerned the Third right regime
developed into one of the most evil in history along with many others especially
communist, and imperial empires and democratic ones in North America. Africa ,
Asia and Australia. Indiginous populations have suffered terribly.
Biological warfare is very old the tossing of rotten corpeses into enemy cities and
fouling drinking water goes right back , and if you believe Virmanas and other
ancient texts we may have nuked ourselves before....
Now concentration camps were first set up by the British in the Boer war in the
modern sense.and the Nasis in the 1930's/40's were getting some of their ideology
from existing sources.
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I was looking at an article about Eugenics, which is still be played out in Agenda 21
which is interesting and plays into the part of this discussion about who was really
behind all this chaos......
This was a scary little vid that popped up while I was googling.....
The Mindset of the Ruling Elite - Depopulation
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Uploaded on 23 Apr 2011
Those running (ruining) the world today, think in exactly the same way as
Bernard Shaw and all the other Eugenicists of the 19th / 20th centuries.
Vaccines, Fluoridated Water, Bisphenol A in plastics, Pesticides, Soya
(so-called "health food") and Genetically Modified foods, can cause Sterility
in humans. And they're all promoted from the very same people who believe
that the earth is overpopulated. Are they secretly Sterilizing the population?
A chemical assault upon humanity?
Listen to Bill Gates say that Vaccines will be used to lower Population:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=i-lqDM...
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Eugenics, Depopulation and the Elite Mindset
Sunday 21st September 2014 at 05:33 By david-icke
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Eugenics, Depopulation and the Elite Mindset
Eugenics
Social Engineering
by Zen Gardner - Sep 20, 2014
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‘Let’s suppose the elitist scum working to ruin and control our lives and planet are
in some fashion real people to some extent. I know, a stretch, but let’s try. So how
can they perpetrate such horrors on humanity? How could such madness be
justified in the minds of men, however psychopathic?
Actually, it’s easy. For self promotion, preservation and power they’ve allowed
themselves to be convinced the power is theirs and the right thing to do. But what’s
their fundamental tenet for mass murder?
Everything they think and believe is a fabricated bastardization and reversal of any
real Truth, but in their minds they’ve decided this wicked, inhuman illuminist
takeover makes sense to them. Especially with their fat cheeks being firmly
ensconced in the seats of power.’
Oh, the vestiges of their human conscience may give some of them a nudge in
some cases, but it’s been shut down almost completely for most of them. It has to
be. You can’t have empathy and wreak such death dealing havoc on nature and
humanity.
If you’ve ever known or observed a pathological liar, this cauterized mindset is their
way of life. Politicians do it without the slightest compunction. To them it’s part of
the job description for ruling the unwashed masses. How is it justified logically? The
old “necessary evil” ruse, as in the justification for 9/11 and myriad of other actions.
The even more amazing thing is that they smugly revel in this ugliness, thinking
they’re the “good guys”.
Convincing the Cattle to Die – Eugenics Justifies All
Think about it. What a slam dunk for world domination to so twist perception to
where humanity is the problem that needs to be curtailed by draconian controls
while being systematically exterminated like a pest infestation. Be it engineered
wars, poverty and food shortages; drugging, corrupted food, and water; dumbed
down information and media, or injecting toxins in our bodies, all is fair game to them.
Eugenics is the “tie that binds”, the glue that holds all the other lies conveniently
together. And it takes the sting out of outright mass murder. For them. It’s
a “cleaning” and “preparation” for their desired world to come.
Look what Agenda 21 controls are perpetrated via things like climate change and
CO2 fabrications. Sure, we’re in the throes of massive climate extremes for many
reasons, many of them geoengineered, but to blame it on cattle flatulence and
human breathing must be some kind of macabre inside joke. Bottom line is they
are planning a great “culling of the herd” and need our permission. We’ve read
about it for decades in their elitist writings, and this is how they justify it and hope
to convince us as much as possible of the same. That’s the alert.
Remember, not waking up and saying no is ultimately humanity’s imprimatur that it
agrees. That’s where empowerment comes in. We can say no and reverse all this,
just as we’ve done in many instances. But the awakened shout out needs to be
immediate and insistent.
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A Little Background
As eugenics, called the “self-direction of human evolution”, grew out of its inception
in the 1800’s, it was considered the harmonious result of all branches of science.
The US was the first to implement eugenics programs as early as 1908 and it
gained a lot of popularity and traction. What stopped it in its tracks, at least in
public opinion, was the Nazi implementation of eugenics during WW2 to the obvious
horror of all, however backed by the American program and exaggerated by Zionists.
This would later turn out to be an amazingly cunning pre-planned propaganda tool
as we’ll discuss below.
But now look how this eugenics campaign has been revived and is currently
perpetrated. With innocuous sounding names like Planned Parenthood to the UN’s
dastardly Agenda 21, the mass hive mind sees these measures as “progress” while
knowing little to nothing about the extensive anti-human nevermind anti-freedom
measures being foisted upon them.
And it’s not just genetic culling, it’s mass population reduction.
An elitist think tank called The Club of Rome set the latest stage for this last push
to demonize humanity with the contrived invention of militant, invasive
environmentalism. This appeared around the same time as the widely
sensationalized “population bomb” concept. While real ecology and conservationism
make common sense, this environmental agenda was created with the specific
intention to foist massive controls over human activities. That we’re now at the
incredulous point of having to pay a literal carbon tax is a total giveaway of their
fraudulent intentions.
Yet few catch on.
And again, like the lie of human caused global warming, we should feel guilty for
being alive, to such an extent that even our breath is supposedly killing the planet.
Insane. Yet they keep pushing their agenda regardless of real scientific data to the contrary.
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Bill Gates Vaccines
The Cauterized Mind of Dystopians
While humanity doesn’t share the bestial mindset of the elites and their occult
driven agenda, these pounding programs wear on people. Over time the continued
onslaught of these nonsensical anti-truths start to wear a groove in the mass mind.
The psycho-trauma tool of choice? Cognitive dissonance.
Resistance subsides as seemingly contrary understandings–in this case, “I’m a
sovereign human being who deserves life and freedom” vs. “I’m a parasitic
organism killing my host planet and need to be eradicated”. Screwy, but that’s
what it boils down to.
And what gets synthesized in the mind to reconcile the two? “I guess they know
what they’re doing. Gee, we are bad and something needs to be done.” It doesn’t
really make sense so the overload causes a shutdown and back to the TV and ball
game they go, acquiescing by apathy.
Once again, the intended solution being foisted on society gains traction.
And daring to oppose this new status-quo? It has now been cleverly engineered to
be tantamount to terrorism, the ultimate behavioral catch-all.
Game. Set. Match…or so they think.
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Zio-Kabbalism – An Identifiable Virus Form
While the arrogant, intellectual roots of modern eugenics seem to escape
mainstream consciousness, obvious forms of racism and genocidal extermination,
as recently exposed in the latest Gaza genocide, have been much
more evident. That the two are intrinsically connected takes one to the much
deeper understanding of what’s really going on on this planet – the elimination of
more conscious and rooted indigenous forms of humanity and the subjugation of
the remaining human race and its ultimate manipulation into a non-questioning
subservient form actually loving its enslavement.
Yes, just like the predictive programming evidenced in literature and film making for centuries.
The Zionist mindset with its Kabbalistic occult sense of supremacism is a clear
example of justified extermination of “lesser” beings. An incredible “in your face”
example that the world turns a blind eye to. Instead, they fall for the big lie created
by the engineered German holocaust that the perpetrators ofthis current
extermination of their “inferiors” as manifested in the millions of killed and
displaced Palestinians, is somehow because the killers are the potential victims.
That’s how they work. Manipulate history and pound the manipulated message
home via propaganda. That simple – as long as you have a complicit media and
engorging codependent governments. Behold the birth of the Zionist
parasite called Israel. A perfect example of the sick fruits of eugenically driven,
ravenous psychotic behavior,
When people wake up to that mechanism blood will run hot and heavy and they’ll
get their due. They always have and always will.
Evil dies from its own corrupted aberration. As in the human body, the protective
immune system of the Universe
will eventually disable and recycle these invaders.
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The Interdimensional Connection
In a Universe of boundless life and energy we know entities of all types exist, which
even so-called modern scientists affirm. Dimensions abound beyond ours and
they’re here and interacting with our world.
This reality must play heavily into our personal understanding of our
interdimensional cosmos. We’re a world under siege, and we need to know our
enemies as well as our friends. That such forces of darkness can mount such a
profoundly coordinated attack on a planet of mainly meek, loving inhabitants reeks
of opportunity for an aggressive force. I don’t know exactly what’s going on but I
hope this helps present the case for what we’re potentially up against.
Inter-dimensional war.
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I would be remiss without pointing out these otherworldly influences on our three
dimensional experience. There is much more than meets the physical eye as we
well know. People are driven by many influences, and spiritual ones
are the most profound. Religions dutifully categorize such concepts as good and
bad influences, while metaphysics dissects these various aspects with intrigue.
Psychic, transcendental and after death phenomena also abound.
So please don’t tell me there’s nothing more than this observable world.
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The Antidote – Disengage and Live in Truth and Love
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Never give in mentally or spiritually to this onslaught. While we need to stay active
in exposing their perfidy, we cannot be part of their ensnaring mindset.
That’s why turning off all forms of mainstream media is so important. That’s why
immersion in positive influences, nature, and loving people to counter these types
of realities is so important.
Anyone in their right mind knows this kind of plan cannot succeed in the long run.
We happen to be at a time in history where these negative, barbaric influences are
peaking with the acceleration of hijacked technologies.
This too shall pass. But we should be vigilant and prepare as best we can, without
fear. It’s a time to grow in consciousness and communication with each other so we
can share our combined knowledge, insights and loving support.
Therein is life, one day at a time. As it always is.
Much love, Zen
Read more: Eugenics, Depopulation and the Elite Mindset
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Two other articles from today that suggest to me we are manipulated...
All they want is obedient little workers........Quote:
The research center also revealed that individuals with higher levels of
education and enviable salaries were more likely to embrace such theories than
their less-educated, lower-earning counterparts.’
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45% Of Russians Believe Shadowy Group Controls Humanity
Sunday 21st September 2014 at 09:35 By david-icke
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45% Of Russians Believe Shadowy Group Controls Humanity
Sunday 21st September 2014 at 09:35 By david-icke
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‘“The world is run by some sort of overarching entity that pulls the strings in governments around the
globe” is a statement nearly half of Russians would agree with, a state-run pollster revealed Wednesday.
The Russian Public Opinion Research Center found that 45 percent of Russians believe in the existence
of an omnipotent force that lords over state governments, controlling the affairs of humanity. Only
one-third of the population expressly rejects this hypothesis, while another 23 percent of Russians
remain undecided, according to the survey.
The research center also revealed that individuals with higher levels of education and enviable salaries
were more likely to embrace such theories than their less-educated, lower-earning counterparts.’
Among those who believe in the existence of such an impalpable entity, 22 percent think it is composed
of oligarchs and prominent business leaders from around the globe. Another 6 percent believe it is run
by the United States.
Yet more than half of those who believe in the entity’s existence are unable to identify who — or
what — it is comprised of. Respondents to the survey listed “Jews,” “masons” and “Great Britain,”
as among the groups that may be secretly running the show.
The survey also showed that 48 percent of those who believe in the existence of this global force
are uncertain about its primary motive, or the reason for its existence.
Another 32 percent of those who believe in its existence think that its goal lies in world domination,
while 10 percent said its aim is to enrich a select number of people.
The survey was conducted in late August among 1,600 adults from across 42 Russian regions.
The statistical margin of error did not exceed 3.4 percent.
Read more: 45% Of Russians Believe Shadowy Group Controls Humanity
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People are waking up all around the world especially due to the web, and what do elites do
when threatened create fear usually by War.....
They have done it in China and the West are making noises and now Vladimir may be joining in......
This may all be bluff and counter bluff but it just seems that whenever humans start
to come together someone wants to pull us apart.......
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Kremlin to consider plans which could remove Russia from global Internet ‘in an emergency’
Saturday 20th September 2014 at 10:51 By david-icke
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‘Russia may remove itself from the global Internet to protect itself against perceived threats
from the West, a Kremlin spokesman suggested on Friday.
The Krelmin dismissed accusations it aims to isolate the Russian Internet, and insists it is
merely concerned with protecting its national security – particularly as relations with the
West have reached their lowest since the Cold War.
However, the country has recently passed several laws targeting Internet use, which include
making popular bloggers register as media outlets, and forcing websites to store the personal
data of Russian users.’
Read more: Kremlin to consider plans which could remove Russia from global Internet 'in an emergency'
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Jackov,
Clearly I've offended you. I have perhaps falsely concluded that you have started another thread with the same tint as various others you have started, most of which have ended up with people being emotionally involved in very charged subjects which may or may not have been the goal of your original posts.
So, for that, please forgive me. It's not very professional of me and it lacks the real dialogue that academicians should have between each other.
In the interest of that, I'd like you to do me a favour. So that I can clearly understand what it is you're hypothesizing about, could you please
1. Write a thesis statement.
2. Provide academic peer reviewed proofs to your thesis.
I think if you did this, I'd have a clearer understanding as to what it is you're trying to say (which at this point is coming across as a pro-nazi stance). I'm not interested in what other people may have posted evidentially in this or other threads, I'm interested in what you have to say, and why you believe what you do. If you can give me what I'm looking for, a thesis grounded in academically grounded information, I might have a better understanding of what you're trying to say, and can respond in a more appropriate manner.
At this stage, reading sentences with words in brackets only gives me possibilities of what you're saying. In truth, I don't know if it's that you can't express yourself clearly or that you're choosing not to. At any rate, looking forward to moving forward on this topic with some factual and rational method.
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jackovesk's ((REPLY))..............................Quote:
Posted by loungelizardAnd there was me, thinking we were having a bit of light hearted banter :oQuote:
Posted by jackovesk
Putting your diversionary tactics to one side, I'd be still interested to read your opinion about the material in the video you posted. Despite the fact that it's been posted and discussed previously, you've not been part of the discussions, so now's your chance!
PS You asked for my opinion by posting this thread on the open forum.
PPS Who's this "Newman" you're referring to?
For those of you who don't know who Jackov is?Quote:
Posted by Milneman
My Response:Quote:
I think Milneman's translation was clever way of saying JackOFF...:)
1. Hitler supposedly helped setup a Marxist Totalitarian Govt. whereby through his Nazi ‘Propaganda Machine’ the banking system was portrayed as an ‘Economic Miracle’.
He set up the kind of Govt. the Jewish Bankers love, leading towards a Central Dictatorship. Whether Hitler was actually protecting certain Jewish Elite Establishments is ‘heresay’ and open to opinion?
Answer: It’s a little too confusing with all the heresay & innuendo floating around this issue...:noidea:Quote:
But you want my opinion of this Documentary ‘Don’t You’…:yes4:
3. As you know ‘History’ is always written by the 'Victors/Winners' so the entire ((Hitler/Nazi/Rothschild/Jewish/Zionist)) connections will probably remain a mystery forever…:yes4:Quote:
2. The Holocaust – I’m a little skeptical of the large number of Jews reported to have been murdered by the Nazi’s? I have doubt's about how many actually died at the hands of the Nazi’s, the actual figure I don’t know? Certainly not as many as has been reported.
Or...
Was it just through ((Famine & Disease))...??? :noidea:
Conclusion:
The Zionist Jews/Freemason's appear to be involved and both their Banking & War Machine is ((STILL)) operating today…:wizard:
PS – One more thing, I think its extremely ((Healthy)) to bring all this out in the open for ongoing discussion instead of having to listen to the ((MSM/Jewish Version)) which has been drummed into the psyche of the world’s population with a ((Sledge-Hammer)) and if you speak out against the ((Official Version of Events)) your instantly labeled a ((Racist & Anti-Semite))…!!!
PSS – The very same ((System of Power)) created by the Zionists is well and truly alive today..!
(Note: I do know there is a big difference between Zionism & the Jewish people per-say)
The majority of the World see the Jewish people as being ((Victims)) of the (holocaust) which is continually leveraged to drastically alter government policy on a global scale, to the detriment of all mankind. So when pushing the Holocaust ((Official Story)) helps them in being portrayed as ((Victims)). Whereas today they are actually the most powerful and aggressive country in the region...!
My view is ((Irrelevant)) it’s the ((Human Collective View)) which is important and Documentaries like this go that little ((Extra-Step)) towards getting to the ((Truth of the Matter))..!!!Quote:
The ((Neo-Nazis - White Supremacist’s)) are going to be ((extremely disappointed)) their beloved ((Führer)) by way of this documentary is not the ((EVIL)) man as portrayed in the Official Story!
The Hitler they admire never existed. He would never have been a member of the Klu Klux Klan...:nono:
With so many ((Lies & Innuendo)) regarding this whole issue it’s like being put in a ((Maze without & Exit))...
((All in All)) Humanity has been well and truly ((Duped)) by the ((Official Version)) and its about time that ((STOPPED))…:yes4:
I hope that clear a few things up for the both of you..!
PSS - It's extremely difficult to continually go into greater-depth on any of the threads I post these days because I'm ((time-poor)) due to work commitments.
Here is a 'Classic' example of the ((He said - She said)) conflicting arguments ((For & Against)) different sides found on the internet...
See what I mean..!!!Quote:
Disclaimer: ((Not my Words)) - Example/s Only...
Example # 1
November 14, 2013 at 9:40 am
This is a video made by a pro-nazi brainwashed piece of s..t. He claims there is no proof of the holocaust. He claims Hitler is not involved in the holocaust. Yet officially we have seen german footages of Hitler proclaiming his “final solution” to wipe out the Jews. I have also seen real footages of Jewish prisoners in detention camp looking like skeletons, and testimonial from American soldiers how some Jewish prisoners ripped apart the SS Nazi soldiers at the camp after the Americans freed the camp.
The writer spends a lot of time blaming Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt for EVERYTHING.
Japan attacked Asia Pacific and committed a lot of war crimes there, yet he mentions nothing about it. All he mentions is how Churchill is to blame for the mysterious defeat of HK and Singapore to the Japs.
This guy is a nutcase. He should be locked up!
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Example # 2
November 14, 2013 at 10:25 am
Define “holocaust”. If you define it as the mass-murder of millions of Jews, then no, such an event never occurred, nor was there any intention by Hitler to exterminate the German Jews. There was certainly an intention to eliminate the Jews from Germany, but this was by way of expulsion, not gassings that could not have possibly occurred in facilities that did not exist and for which there is no scientific evidence to support them. This was Hitler’s “final solution”. If you think otherwise, i suggest researching the history yourself rather than rely on what you have been taught in government schools and Hollywood, as i have for most of my life. I assure that, if you put forth a little effort, what you learn will not only make your head spin, but you will have gained a useful education as well.
Everyone has seen footage of the prisoners in the detention camps, but what many fail to ask is, how did they become so undernourished? Because of the narration and sad music, we assume they were mistreated. Here’s some questions which you may want to research…
1) How did allied bombing affect the delivery of supplies to the camps, such as food and medicine, toward the end of the war? What was the effect in the camps as a result of the bombings?
2) What is Typhus and how widespread was the problem? What are the effects of Typhus?
3) If the Nazis intended to murder the prisoners, then why did they provide so many resources for their care and well-being, such as swimming pools, libraries, post offices and theater in some of the camps?
4) Other than hearsay, what physical evidence exists to support the claim of homicidal gas chambers?
5) Can you find one single document or speech by Hitler that supports that there was a policy to exterminate the Jews?
I don’t recall who said it, but it was said that history is written by the victors. The history we have been given regarding Germany’s role in WW2 was written by those who benefited from the war.
Hitler accomplished what no one before or since has managed; a complete rebuilding of Germany and her economic system in an extremely short period of time. And managed this while much of the rest of world was still suffering through the Great Depression (brought about by international bankers). In order to do so however, he felt that the Jews, who controlled large segments of the media, the legal system and the banks, as well as “modern art”, pornography and prostitution, had to be removed from Germany. Let us not forget that the mass majority of Germans supported him.
End of Discussion..!!!
Jackov,
Where's the thesis?
This is (((still))) a confused mess.
Now I'm just bored. Moving on.
Good to know you have an openminded, inquisitive attitude about this topic Jack...;)Quote:
End of Discussion..!!!
It's amusing to read that you believe you've summed up this complex period of history in a few sentences and some cut and paste, while there are hundreds of thousands of scholars and academics who have dedicated decades in the ongoing search for truth regarding Hitler and the Third Reich.
If you read the contributions to your previous thread https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...You-To-Hear..- you'd see clearly that the material provided there refutes the arguments you have raised here. No point in spending time disproving your theories that the holocaust wasn't too bad again because you didn't read my evidence the first time around...
It's important to understand that there is a vast difference between historical revisionism, which takes place constantly among professional, skilled historians based upon the investigation of historical evidence, and negationists: the latter hold preconceived conclusions based upon their ideology, and then set out to distort and deny evidence to fit their needs.
I wonder why you don't engage with an openminded sense of enquiry. Could it be that you have already created for yourself a view of history that fits with your personal distortions and bias? I'm not blaming you alone for that, as we are all guilty to a greater or lesser degree. It takes courage to take another, deeper look and consider that we could be wrong and that the comfortable web of lies that we've spun to protect our false beliefs might crumble.
Only someone who has a desperate need to preserve their belief system could close their eyes to evidence such as the 50 million pieces of Nazi documentation, photographs and film stored on 16 miles of shelving in Bad Arolsen, and refuse to acknowledge the statement such as this one by the commandant of Auschwitz that
"Mass executions by gassing commenced during the summer of 1941 and continued until fall 1944. I personally supervised executions at Auschwitz until 12/1/1943 and know by reason of my continued duties in the Inspectorate of Concentration Camps that these mass executions continued as stated above. All mass executions by gassing took place under the direct order, supervision, and responsibility of RSHA (Reich Security Main Office). I received all orders for carrying out these mass executions directly from RSHA."
It seems that you believe what you believe, and nothing anyone says will persuade you to relook at your belief system. So be it.
I too am bored. Moving on ;)
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What a pair of absolute Gallah's...:faint:Quote:
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Go write a 'Thesis' yourself...:yes4:
Better still, start your own 'Thread's and you can then discuss this ((together)) til the cows come home...!!!
Like I said, I don't have the time to do a 'Quid Pro Quo' with people I have absolutely ((No Respect)) whatsoever for...:nono:
PS - Why does this kind of thing ((Always)) happen on these kind of "Threads" I wonder...:confused:
Par for the course I guess...:noidea:
That one man's testimony that Loungelizard loves to copy & paste on every holocaust discussion and pretty much the only thing you have given us tbh. I bet he was bribed to say those things and hung afterwards anyway.
And where is all this documentation proving the Holocaust? I've never seen you post any.
Just supporting Jacko here, a little. :) Personally, I found the documentary fascinating. We're all lied to about a LOT of stuff, all the time. Just WHAT the lies are, we need to be smart enough to discern (and also, the reasons for them). Cui Bono? (Who benefits?) And that's not always straightforward to figure out.Quote:
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The documentary is LONG! (That's one of the problems.) In order to comment intelligently about it, one ideally has to watch the whole thing, and that's quite a commitment. However, the first hour or so gives one the flavor. And there most definitely seem to be some historical facts in there that have been heavily overlooked (or suppressed/spun).
We do have to always bear in mind that most history books are written by the victors.
It would be indeed intelligent ( as Bill says ) to see both sides of truth ..but there again, we seem to run to a basic problem here called 'truth is what I consider the truth'.Quote:
Posted by Andrew
I have never enough of getting more perspective ( well, often I do ) .. but one thing that I found shocking is that whatever thread is opened on the topic here on forum,
it's seasoned with provocations about 'truth is not what it seems = denial of WWII holocaust ' .
I don't mind getting more perspective on why this was done .. unless I've got it sorted already in my head , till now, with plenty of information both from n off the world ,
but I do mind when by certain 'silent nudges' from the forum administrative we get to impression here that
truth can't be cognised in this timeline
the secret maybe there was no holocaust
we who live in America , Australia, Asia , etc . have no idea about European history, never seen it in our eyes that's why anything is possible
etc .
It makes people uncomfortable about the subject and about wanting to learn more , because there are still survivors among us, direct witnesses , and children of them , and this part of history , I repeat is not , and never has been 'about Jews' .
It's about hate , about mind manipulation , about leading people to senseless wars ,
and forcing these people an idea that nothing has actually happened to the millions of them, their brothers and sisters, holocaust did not exist , gas chambers did not exist , camps served for nice purpose is really ..
either a sign that your brain, part of it is so soft that IT CAN NOT TAKE IT so in order to live in your fairy tale you will be telling your children another fairy tale or that you prefer disinformation.
I admit it's tough . But if you people are blind and mushy from within and don't see what is happening in Syria these days and what is happening in Africa and elsewhere on this planet , it's not much better than your holocaust .
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Ah... psy-ops... smoke and mirrors... misdirections... emotional stirrings and steerings... he did it... no! he started it... oh, well...
In the following are some data as to why an opposite pair of puppets like Hitler-Stalin in the first place, or, even, why two world wars... and the scheme is very simple: Problem - Reaction - Solution... at a planetary scale.
So, here is the hors-d’œuvre:
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Rothschilds/John D. Rockefeller, Sr. funded the Bolshevik Revolution (<--- click)
Jacob Schiff Ordered Czar Nicholas II's Murder (<--- click)
For an idea on the "big" picture (<--- click)
... and here is the main course:
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Thanks Amzer for putting up a 2.30 hrs vid on top of the 6hr intro post...LOL
I'm an hour in and it is very good , much I have heard from other sources,
but it is a good presentation from 1969, there is a little time bias as there
always is in historical speeches as they are speaking from their perspective.
The piece about stirring up the Arab world , which was very fresh with the setting
up of the Iraeli state and in the shadow of the six day war of 1967, when Israel
routed the Arab armies and set up the Palestinian destruction of the last few
months in GAZA, and of course the Western/ Israeli backed Arab oil states in Saudi
etc , are finally trying to get rid of the former soviet backed states like Syria and
eventually Iran.....
There are obviously 100's of manipulated events by the 'Banksters' funding and
influencing elites and political events since 'Waterloo' including the so call
democracies of today.......
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Obama’s UN Ambassador Admits Fight Against ISIS Designed to Take Out Assad in Syria
Tuesday 23rd September 2014 at 13:01 By david-icke
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‘Obama’s United Nations ambassador Samantha Power told Chuck
Todd of NBC on Sunday the real purpose of the fight against ISIS is
to overthrow al-Assad and the Syrian government.
Power said the “moderate” Free Syrian Army (FSA) will receive an
“infusion of support” in its battle against both ISIS and the Syrian
government which is, according to Power and the United States,
“backed by Hezbollah, Iran, Russia, etc.”
Omitted from the discussion is the fact ISIS, al-Nusra and the
FSA have merged forces.’
Read more: Obama’s UN Ambassador Admits Fight Against ISIS
Designed to Take Out Assad in Syria
Short vid on link....
http://www.infowars.com/obamas-un-am...ssad-in-syria/
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John Kerry’s rhetoric on Isis insults our intelligence and conceals the reality of the situation in Syria
Tuesday 23rd September 2014 at 13:00 By david-icke
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John Kerry’s rhetoric on Isis insults our intelligence and conceals the reality of the situation in Syria
‘John Kerry is becoming more and more like William McGonagall, the “worst poet in
the world” whose horror at the 1879 Tay Bridge railway disaster yielded the
imperishable observation that it “will be remember’d for a very long time”.
Like McGonagall’s verse, Kerry’s attempts to explain America’s crusade against its
latest evil enemy are so awful, they are addictive. Just when you think that Kerry’s
lame explanation to American politicians of Obama’s Iraqi crusade – “[Isis] has to
be defeated, plain and simple, end of story” – can’t get any more childish, it does.’
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...a-9747439.html
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NWO researchers like David Icke , Alex Jones and others , switch some people off
and they find it hard to listen to them because they cannot resinate with
'negative' frequencies . But all they are doing is connecting the dots over the years
and present these crisis as they unfold to the bigger picture.
which is what this whole manipulation of reality by Rothchilds and other elites
to keep the 99% of global population in credit debt and work slaves to service
the 1 %......
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Alex sums up the Global elites blue print......He may not be completely right but he
is on the right track.....
Published on 23 Jun 2014
Alex breaks down the creation and funding of jihadi groups by the US and it's allies
for years, the current invasion of iraq as well as the world impact of another Iraq
invasion.
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I did not realise the above vid was the intro to a David Icke visit to Alex
until he announced he was on next at the end of the segment....LOL
Now David is another of the researchers that talks all about the Illuminatti
and other elites......
Published on 23 Jun 2014
Alex welcomes English writer, public speaker and former media personality David
Icke for his perspective on ISIS' destabilization efforts.
Aprox 20 mins in the David Icke vid above he starts talking about Dr.Richard Day , which
made me burst out laughing as I just put a thread up about him, as others have before
and it is from 1969 also......More Dots...LOL
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FUTURE SHOCK.....From Dr.Richard Day 1969 lays out projected plan for the future...The New Order of Barbarians
In this short vid David summarizes developments of events over the past 50 yrs
at least, if you are 'awake' and been following the projected plan that has been
going on particularly in the US, and also worldwide. Every topic has been
discussed on Avalon and elsewhere, even mainstream but not pieced together by
them as social engineering. Although it is obvious in the alternate community...
The David Icke Videocast: Future Shock - Change Through Mental And Emotional Trauma
Published on 19 Sep 2014
The David Icke Videocast can be delivered to your email every Sunday.
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George Carlin - The Rothschilds Control America
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This has been posted before and lays out predicted social habits for the future
from 1969.If you have lived thru this period ,as I have you will recognise much
of what the narrator is reminiscing in this interview from 1988 , particularly in the
west. The overall agenda is still going on now.
The New Order of Barbarians
Published on 12 Nov 2012
Tapes one and two were recorded in 1988 and are the recollections of Dr. Lawrence
Dunegan regarding a lecture he attended on March 20, 1969 at a meeting of the
Pittsburgh Pediatric Society. The lecturer at that gathering of pediatricians (identified in
tape three recorded in 1991) was a Dr. Richard Day (who died in 1989). At the time Dr.
Day was Professor of Pediatrics at Mount Sinai Medical School in New York. Previously
he had served as Medical Director of Planned Parenthood Federation of America. Dr.
Dunegan was formerly a student of Dr. Day at the University of Pittsburgh and was well
acquainted with him, though not intimately. He describes Dr. Day as an insider of
the "Order" and although Dr. Dunegan's memory was somewhat dimmed by the
intervening years, he is able to provide enough details of the lecture to enable any
enlightened person to discern the real purposes behind the trends of our time.
Dr. Dugegan reveals not just "WHAT" is intended for America and all people in the
world, but "HOW" the controllers intend to carry out their plan. He covers topics such as:
IS there a power, A force or a group of men organizing and redirecting
change? "Everything is in place and nobody can stop us now . . ." People will have to
get used to change -- everything will change, constantly The REAL and the "STATED"
goals Population Control Permission to have babies Redirecting the purpose of sex - sex
without reproduction and reproduction without sex Sex education as a tool of World
Government Encouraging homosexuality... Sex, anything goes Euthanasia and
the "Demise Pill" Limiting access to affordable medical care makes eliminating the
elderly easier Planning the control over medicine Elimination of private doctors New
Difficult to diagnose and untreatable diseases Suppressing cancer cures as a means of
population control. Inducing heart attacks as a form of assassination Education as a tool
for accelerating the onset of puberty and pushing evolution and MUCH, MUCH MORE
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Posted by Bill RyanJust supporting Jacko here, a little. :) Personally, I found the documentary fascinating. We're all lied to about a LOT of stuff, all the time. Just WHAT the lies are, we need to be smart enough to discern (and also, the reasons for them). Cui Bono? (Who benefits?) And that's not always straightforward to figure out.Quote:
Posted by Milneman
The documentary is LONG! (That's one of the problems.) In order to comment intelligently about it, one ideally has to watch the whole thing, and that's quite a commitment. However, the first hour or so gives one the flavor. And there most definitely seem to be some historical facts in there that have been heavily overlooked (or suppressed/spun).
We do have to always bear in mind that most history books are written by the victors.
Thanks for your support Bill, my sentiments exactly...:yes4:
My only nit with Dennis Wise's documentary is what about Josef Mengele? Maybe I missed his mention in that long documentary. Anyone have any info on him other than what we've been traditionally led to believe?
There are many vids and survivor reports of the experiments he did , now you eitherQuote:
My only nit with Dennis Wise's documentary is what about Josef Mengele? Maybe I missed his mention in that long documentary. Anyone have any info on him other than what we've been traditionally led to believe?
believe them or you don't, this is a interview with his son who visited him in Brazil
in 1977 before he died.....
Published on 21 Jul 2012
Rolf Mengele, the only son of the infamous SS doctor and war criminal, Josef Mengele
discusses meeting his father. This meeting occurred in Brazil in the 1970's.
Josef Mengele is infamous for many atrocities, including his experiments on twins at
Auschwitz, and his work at the Auschwitz selection post, deciding who lives and dies
as the trains were off loaded.
After the war, Josef Mengele was captured at least twice but was able to disguise his
identity as he did not have the standard SS blood type tattoo on his left arm. With the
help of his wealthy family, he moved first to Nazi-friendly Argentina and finally to Brazil
where he died of a stroke/drowning in 1979.
This interview probably dates to 1985. Another very significant interview of
Rolf Mengele can be seen here: See below....
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Rolf Mengele on meeting his father, Dr. Josef Mengele
Published on 8 Feb 2014
In 1986, American talk show host, Phil Donahue, had an hour-long live program
about Nazi Dr. Josef Mengele, the Angel of Death from Auschwitz. His guests included
Mengele's only son, Rolf Mengele, for his only U.S. television appearance ever.
And Gerald Posner, the co-author of a biography of Dr. Mengele, published that same year.
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This is an interesting clip it shows the horror of the medical experiments that
occurred in some of the concentration camps. The voice box victim says something
about Mengele that is surprising , that he is conflicted about him for although
he suffered painfull experiments. He says if he was not picked out by Mengele
he would have been killed earlier. Though this does not excuse Mengale as many
others were killed after they finished with or while being experimented on. It
seems it was wide spread by the medical staff to experiment on victims they
classed as already dead by being sent to the camps in the first place.
This would explain Mengale detachment of what he did when he told his
son in the top vid when he visited him in Brazil, it was all allied propaganda....
Auschwitz Medical Experiments......
This is the section about Hitler from the main recording above in # 24
Its interesting and he says Hitler was backed by the conspirators Rothchilds / illuminati cabal
He runs through some of the events leading up to WW11 and he also claims it was 100,000's
of Jews not millions murdered in the concentration camps . Although the whole recording
is overall very interesting ,There are plenty of parts showing Myron Fagons own political prejudice
especially to Martin 'Lucifer' King as he calls him and other aspects I noticed as it went along
certainly very anti communist , which makes sense in the period it was recorded and how
he interprets the ' Bankster Cabel' trying to take over the world.
The whole 2.30 hrs recording is an interesting view and worth considering as part
of the bigger picture...
I have not checked the links below the vid ,they were on the U/tube link
in case anyone wants to look.....
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Myron Fagan explains Hitler
Published on 16 Jul 2012
"Therefore I conjectured that this man-from-nowhere might in truth be the
accomplice of Communism and Political Zionism, two forces which have always
supported each other. His 'Fascism' thus seemed to me to be merely the third
prong of one trident, with which the cauldron of our century is kept stirred." -
Douglas Reed's Somewhere South of Suez, 1951, pages 179-181
"Every step of Nazism was financed by wall street bankers." - Eustace Mullins
"Fascism is nothing but another form of the Fabian socialism for which the
freemasons laid the foundation." - Juri Lina, Architects of Deception, Pg 259
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Masonic handshake/gestures:
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There are people who constantly tell you to go read Mein Kampf or listen to Hitler's
speeches with the intention of keeping your mind focused on WORDS instead of his
actions. There were Nazis and "Aryanized" Jews with names like Mendelssohn,
Warburg, Wittgenstein and Oppenheimer (Horst, Eberhard, Max, Waldemar,
Friedrich) all over the Nazi party.
Hitler's used Jewish bankers (all the while ranting against them): Hjalmar Schacht,
Otto Jeidels, Jacob Goldschmidt
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http://rense.com/general37/char.htm
Thus the World Order organizes and finances Jewish groups; it then organizes and
finances anti-Jewish groups; it organizes Communist groups; it then organizes and
finances anti-Communist groups. It is not necessary for the Order to throw these
groups against each other; they seek each other out like heat-seeking missiles, and
try to destroy each other. By controlling the size and resources of each group, the
World Order can always predetermine the outcome.
- Eustace Mullins, The World Order Our Secret Ruler (1984)
"In addition, while Karl Marx was writing the "Communist Manifesto" under the
director of one group of Illuminists, Professor Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University was
writing the antithesis under the direction of another group. The idea was that those
who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called
ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger numbers of the human-race
into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into
fighting and destroying each other. And particularly, to destroy all political and
religious institutions. The work Ritter started was continued after his death and
completed by the German so-called philosopher Freidrich Wilhelm Nietzsche who
founded Nietzscheanism. This Nietzscheanism was later developed into Fascism and
then into Nazism and was used to foment World War I and II." - Myron Fagan
(Jewish convert to Christianity)
Nowadays, if any States raise a protest against us it is only pro forma at our
discretion and by our direction, for their anti-Semitism is indispensable to us for the
management of our lesser brethren. -- protocol 9
But if a plot should arise in its midst, then the person in charge of that plot will be
none other than one of our most trusted servants. - Protocol #15
This is another article I saw earlier and fits in since we are talking about 'Banksters'
What are the Rockefeller Upto ......????? The timing is just after the Climate Marches over the Weekend !!
and the Climate summit coming up.....
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Rockefellers go green: Rockefeller foundation divests funds in fossil fuel industries
Tuesday 23rd September 2014 at 12:51 By david-icke
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Rockefellers go green: Rockefeller foundation divests funds in fossil fuel industries
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American oil dynasty to pull all investment in fossil fuel industries on eve of
global climate change summit, placing it as an unlikely champion of the push
towards alternative energy sources
David Usborne Author Biography
New York
Monday 22 September 2014
‘The American family that for decades has been synonymous not just with
great riches but with riches created by oil said on Monday that it was moving
to divest itself entirely from all oil and fossil fuel interests.
Descendants of John D Rockefeller, who tapped the black gushers of Texas
and California more than a century ago to forge Standard Oil, a company
that was later to spawn such names as Exxon, Chevron, Amoco and Mobil,
announced the decision on the eve of the climate change summit in New York.’
Read more: Rockefellers go green: Rockefeller foundation divests funds
in fossil fuel industries
http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...s-9749767.html
Rockefeller is pissed...
they've been buying up huge parcels of land over water tables, the Fricking Frackers polluted the water so it can no longer be sold without expensive refining...
they might be putting on a white hat, would be an incredible ally to clean energy, and don't forget, according to our Buddy Ben, he just met with the WDS....