The Bible

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Posted by RedeZra

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Posted by Lord Sidious

What about all the ''witches'' that were burnt? Is that fake?
What about the women, muslim and jewish that were raped by the crusaders in Jerusalem when it was captured?
Are you saying that the crimes committed by the christians and their church in history are not true?

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there is a spiritual war between the powers of good and the forces of evil

and it bleeds through and drips into our world


most of the crusaders were well men and not Christlike as most men and also Christians


devil worship has a long bloody history

from the canyons of Canaan to the tops of Tenochtitlan

in the courts of kings and shacks in the woods

sex sacrifice and summoning of spirits

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Posted by Lord Sidious

And who are you to decide what gospel is reliable or not?

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i am me and nobody has to agree with me ; )

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As per usual, you try to evade answering my question and you fail.
What does your answer have to do with all the people burnt as witches?
Most of them didn't even believe in your devil, let alone worship him.
Your church burnt them for things as offensive as herbalism.
They burnt their familiars too, their cats, their birds, whatever animals they had.
Although sometimes they crucified the animals.
Is this the work of a loving god and its' followers?
It sounds like crazy people to me.

As I stated in a previous post we should always look a the message of Christ our living God in the flesh and nothing else. The bible was totally highjacked at the council of Nicea 300 A D, and even more during the inquisition at the late middle ages. Many things were taken out and many more put in. For instance there are the books of the Apocrypha: Book of Enoch, and so on and on. Also I believe that the Old Testament and New Testament should be looked at as totally two different works.

There also another issue that has always bother, it seems that the "God" of the old testament do no fit with the "God" of the new, and even less with the source creator most of us believe in. Many times this god of the old testament is a revengeful character who commands killing and revenge. Is he the real god of Israel or an Impostor? I just don see how this one fits with a God of love, mercy and forgiveness. The argument that this was a different time and era is not enough for me to convince me that this is a God of love. There is something very odd here.

If there is something I don't know please let me know.


Roland el Centauro

where did Abraham the Patriarch of the Abramic religions come from ?


"And Terah took his son Abram and his grandson Lot, the son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, his son Abram's wife, and they went out with them from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to the land of Canaan; and they came to Haran and dwelt there." - Genesis 11:31


the traditional site of Abraham's birth according to Turkish Muslim tradition is a cave in the vicinity of the ancient Seleucid city Edessa now called Urfa southeast in Turkey

where Mevlid Halil Mosque now stands close to the cave which is a place of pilgrimage


also according to Turkish Muslim tradition Nimrod had Abraham launched from a catapult from the city citadel into a pile of burning wood

but God intervened and turned the fire into water and the wood into fish

and that is why there is a pool of sacred carps in downtown Urfa

http://www.edwebproject.org/anatolia...urfa.pool1.jpg

Urfa is also known as the birthplace of Job and not far from Göbekli Tepe Harran and Nevali Cori

so it seems that this small area is the cradle of civilisation right after the Deluge

So, you aren't going to answer my question?
Even though everyone can see you attempting to dodge it?

This is hilarious. How did Turkey and wood that turned in to fish come in to the thread? That's the only thing I've heard that sounds more crazy than the theory of evolution.

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Posted by Lord Sidious

So, you aren't going to answer my question?
Even though everyone can see you attempting to dodge it?

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patience Sith prince

the incident with the witches was so long ago

and i don't believe women were being burnt for herbalism

but i know there is a spiritual war going on

and that we here on earth are victims of this war


so grouphug :grouphug: ? forgive and forget ? move on ?


let's learn from the past and live in the moment

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Posted by pharoah21

This is hilarious. How did Turkey and wood that turned in to fish come in to the thread? That's the only thing I've heard that sounds more crazy than the theory of evolution.

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nothing is impossible for God not even turning fire to water and wood to fish ; )

and besides it's my thread hehe i can turn it any which way i want

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Posted by RedeZra

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Posted by Lord Sidious

So, you aren't going to answer my question?
Even though everyone can see you attempting to dodge it?

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patience Sith prince

the incident with the witches was so long ago

and i don't believe women were being burnt for herbalism

but i know there is a spiritual war going on

and that we here on earth are victims of this war


so grouphug :grouphug: ? forgive and forget ? move on ?


let's learn from the past and live in the moment

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Forgive? Yes, of course.
Forget? Never.
And we don't fail to notice you trying to evade this nasty section of history involving your church.
What you believe and what you don't are not relevant in the big picture.
People were murdered because they stuck to the old ways and it has happened for millenia, since the church started.
The sooner you nuggets take the damn training wheels off your bikes, the sooner we can move on.

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Posted by Lord Sidious

Forgive? Yes, of course.

People were murdered because they stuck to the old ways and it has happened for millenia, since the church started.
The sooner you nuggets take the damn training wheels off your bikes, the sooner we can move on.

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but im flyin so im not comin down

good let's forgive it's a start and ok never forget


war has been raging since before Christ on the Cross and see it's still war

and a big one seems to be brewing on the horizon


duck take cover fly too you fools run to God

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Posted by RedeZra

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Posted by Lord Sidious

Forgive? Yes, of course.

People were murdered because they stuck to the old ways and it has happened for millenia, since the church started.
The sooner you nuggets take the damn training wheels off your bikes, the sooner we can move on.

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but im flyin so im not comin down

good let's forgive it's a start and ok never forget


war has been raging since before Christ on the Cross and see it's still war

and a big one seems to be brewing on the horizon


duck take cover fly too you fools run to God

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Thanks, but no thanks.
I have seen your god and I don't need a war god.
If I did, I would have Tyr.

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Posted by RedeZra

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Posted by Lord Sidious

Forgive? Yes, of course.

People were murdered because they stuck to the old ways and it has happened for millenia, since the church started.
The sooner you nuggets take the damn training wheels off your bikes, the sooner we can move on.

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but im flyin so im not comin down

good let's forgive it's a start and ok never forget


war has been raging since before Christ on the Cross and see it's still war

and a big one seems to be brewing on the horizon


duck take cover fly too you fools run to God

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I see a little Gandalf quote here. The word, too, is an extra. Is it time for battle with the Balrog now?

M'lord and Pharaoh 21, may I propose that we let the Bibler's chat amongst themselves. The OP in particular seems to find his/her purpose in playing with you. It is my estimation that this thread would die of boredom without people taking the OP to task. I say let it become a thread of holy rollers saying amen to each other.

With that said, I have a Balrog to slay. Meet you in Fangorn Forest.

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Posted by modwiz

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Posted by RedeZra

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duck take cover fly too you fools run to God

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I see a little Gandalf quote here. The word, too, is an extra.

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yes it is and yes again

how perceptive of you ; )


i dont need to quote and tell when you're around hehe

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Posted by Lord Sidious

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Posted by RedeZra

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Posted by Lord Sidious

Forgive? Yes, of course.

People were murdered because they stuck to the old ways and it has happened for millenia, since the church started.
The sooner you nuggets take the damn training wheels off your bikes, the sooner we can move on.

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but im flyin so im not comin down

good let's forgive it's a start and ok never forget


war has been raging since before Christ on the Cross and see it's still war

and a big one seems to be brewing on the horizon


duck take cover fly too you fools run to God

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Thanks, but no thanks.
I have seen your god and I don't need a war god.
If I did, I would have Tyr.

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Now, now, Sid; that's not very Gaelic of you :P

This thread is about as accurate as a Skud missile, I think something about the blind was mentioned in Matthew, LOL.

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Posted by Lord Sidious

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Posted by Lord Sidious

Forgive? Yes, of course.

People were murdered because they stuck to the old ways and it has happened for millenia, since the church started.
The sooner you nuggets take the damn training wheels off your bikes, the sooner we can move on.

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but im flyin so im not comin down

good let's forgive it's a start and ok never forget


war has been raging since before Christ on the Cross and see it's still war

and a big one seems to be brewing on the horizon


duck take cover fly too you fools run to God

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Thanks, but no thanks.
I have seen your god and I don't need a war god.
If I did, I would have Tyr.

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Now, now, Sid; that's not very Gaelic of you :P

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The Dane in me is restless. ;)

Patriarch Abraham was an Aramean (Syrian) from the area of Aram-Naharaim between the upper Tigris and upper Euphrates

an area where we find Urfa Harran Nevali Cori and Gøbekli Tepe

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...bekli_tepe.jpg

"And for Aram there came forth the fourth portion, all the land of Mesopotamia between the Tigris and the Euphrates to the north of the Chaldees to the border of the mountains of Asshur and the land of 'Arara." - The Book of Jubilees 9:5


in The Book of Jubilees chapter 9 we read how the sons of Noah divided unto their sons all the earth by lot

Although this thread quickly had substance to it, the content degrades to the level of when "God's General" used to call Art Bell on Coast-to-Coast-AM

"Art Bell Vs JC on Coast to Coast AM"

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WSYT639Iu7o

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WSYT639Iu7o

1m 8s 1,709 views

Attention seems to be the agenda, not validating the content of any Bible.

The posts will stand in permanent testimony of those who hand guards the last throwing of the light switch of the empty halls of Organized Religions called Churches.

- 58

names... ever wonder about them ?

take for instance Egypt... why is ancient Egypt called

Mizraim in Hebrew

Msrm in Ugarit

Musur in Assyrian

Musri in Babylonian

Misr in Arabic

could it be because biblical Mizraim who was son of Ham son of Noah the Floodhero was alloted the land Mizraim which is Egypt



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizraim

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According to Eusebius' Chronicon, Manetho had suggested that the great age of antiquity in which the later Egyptians boasted had actually preceded the flood, and that they were really descended from Mizraim, who settled there anew. A similar story is related by medieval Islamic historians such as Sibt ibn al-Jawzi, the Egyptian Ibn Abd-el-Hakem, and the Persians al-Tabari and Muhammad Khwandamir, stating that the pyramids, etc. had been built by the wicked races before the deluge, but that Noah's descendant Mizraim (Masar or Mesr) was entrusted with reoccupying the region afterward.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizraim

The Bronze Age collapse

what happened to the Egyptian Empire by the Nile the Hittite Empire in Turkey the Mycenaean Kingdoms in Greece and Minoan Crete over 3000 years ago ?


"Every important Anatolian site during the preceding Late Bronze Age shows a destruction layer, and it appears that here civilization did not recover to the same level as that of the Hittites for another thousand years"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age_collapse


Hattusas the Hittite capital was burned and abandoned as was Karaoğlan and Troy was destroyed at least twice

Cyprus cities Enkomi Kition and Sinda destroyed and abandoned

Syrian coast city Ugarit was burned to the ground and Sukkot Lachish Ashdod Ashkelon Akko Jaffa in fact every coastal city between Troy and Gaza was violently destroyed and often left unoccupied thereafter

Levant inland cities Hazor Bethel Beit Shemesh Eglon Debir and other sites were destroyed

all Mycenaean palaces destroyed and up to 90% of small sites in the Peloponnese were abandoned suggesting a major depopulation ushering in the Greek Dark Ages which lasted more than 400 years

Norsuntepe Emar and Carchemish in Mesopotamia destroyed


"Anne Killebrew has shown that cities such as Jerusalem were large and important walled settlements in the Middle Bronze IIB and Iron Age IIC periods (ca. 1800–1550 and 720–586 BCE), but that during the intervening Late Bronze (LB) and Iron Age I and IIA/B Ages sites like Jerusalem were small and relatively insignificant and unfortified towns."

- Killebrew Ann E. "Biblical Jerusalem: An Archaeological Assessment" in Andrew G. Vaughn and Ann E. Killebrew, eds., "Jerusalem in Bible and Archaeology: The First Temple Period" (SBL Symposium Series 18; Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature, 2003)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age_collapse

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Posted by RedeZra

Urfa is also known as the birthplace of Job and not far from Göbekli Tepe Harran and Nevali Cori

so it seems that this small area is the cradle of civilisation right after the Deluge

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G'day RedeZra,

Interesting hypothesis, though I don't follow your logic.

Do you realise that you are relying on traditional stories (dogma) to prove your argument (belief) concerning the validity of an event depicted in a traditional story (dogma)? Event 1 is proven (historicity of the towns seems valid), the Koran/Old Testament tells me so, therefore event 2 must have happened (the deluge).

I am not saying that an isolated flooding event didn't happen (there is some evidence to support that areas in the Mediterranean and Middle East were flooded following an outburst flooding event), only that the argument presented seems based on the validity of a collection of texts (from the perspective of a small tribe) that have been proven to be historically inaccurate and/or exaggerated.

Again I will refer you to the excellent documentary series 58andfixed posted earlier in this thread:

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Posted by 58andfixed

For those interested "The Bible Unearthed" contributes much to an understanding of the development of Bibles and Organized Religion.

1 of 4. The Patriarchs

https://youtube.com/watch?v=t440bxhn1qA

https://youtube.com/watch?v=t440bxhn1qA

51m 30s 2,549 views

Aired in 2005.

2/4. The.Exodus.
3/4. The.Kings.
4/4. The.Book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Unearthed

"The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts is a 2001 book about the archaeology of Israel and its relationship to the origins of the Hebrew Bible."

"The authors are Israel Finkelstein, Professor of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University, and Neil Asher Silberman, a contributing editor to Archaeology Magazine."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Unearthed.jpg

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The potential for divisibility only reduces as more people become informed, aware and less biased.

- 58

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I have nothing against anyone believing anything they want.
Someone who believes that a turtle lives between the great holes in the sky (after all it has been scientifically proven that there are black holes at the centre of our galaxy) has my support to believe that if they wish.
However if they told me that theirs is the only way I would ask them for proof of the turtle.
Anything else is dogma (traditional stories/teachings) passed off as truth. :tape2:
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Addendum:
I just read modwiz's post above and agree.