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the entire deagle thing rotates around the assumption that even the "regular" guys who operate WISE and the southern telescope are not telling, so how many layers of secrecy do you like to asume and where does it stop? if you watch "a beautiful mind" you know what I mean.Quote:
Posted by jcocks
If the secret spacefleet exists Deagle should know about it, yet it never figures in his convoluted speeches.
They tend to build them when other things are being built to mask the work. You know that. BD looks like he could build one single handed....Yes? ha haQuote:
Posted by SteveX
No offence man but it ain’t quite as simple as that or if it is then there’s just way too much potential for a leak.Quote:
Posted by HORIZONS
I’ve worked as a driver related to the construction industry. There is that much stuff involved with building a few houses let alone a massive underground facility. As commodities get used up the price goes up. If unusual amounts of concrete, sand, copper and so on get used the market reflects that. There would be many questions asked in the industry about what the contract is and the inflated price of commodities is having on other company’s construction. Someone would blab the deal.
Electrical cable x miles, fittings, lights, switches, bulbs and tubes, insulation conduits. Plumbing plastic tubes x miles, sinks, taps, copper pipe, toilets, cisterns, pee traps.
Furniture…the whole office shebang and all the home comforts like beds, TV’s couches.
as soon as aliens come into the picture there is no telling if they need concret or even human resources at all.Quote:
Posted by K626
but it is still a huge thing, and somebody not in the loop should see something.
but even if not, deagle was there, surely HE knows.
and this norwegian guy, give me coordinates and I go look myself.
I am not talking cheyenne mountain or such small bases, I talk the big one that are hard to believe.
the personel working there must get there, and out, and supplies and fuel, and nobody talks who was inside?
not one soul? millions have the ticket yet nobody spill the beans?
consider how hard it must be for a victim of CIA mind-control to speak out, the MKULTRA victims, those are much fewer and had much higher hurdles to overcome, yet we have a few, not just one. and they went to court.
thats of course coming from china, cheap and made by children who cant talk <just joking>Quote:
Posted by SteveX
Have you got a builders bum Stevieboy? :pQuote:
Posted by SteveX
na man but I have been the 4th or 5th lorry waiting in line to be unloaded... http://www.pic4ever.com/images/gaah.gifQuote:
Posted by K626
Deagle talks some about the underground base at Denver along with some info on the space fleet etc on Fri show (about halfway through) http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast/n...ed/0423101.mp3
Therefore Sam, all these forums are a waste of time , the blind leading the blind , and dr deagle is in it for his own ego, and no underground system has been built....etc why are we discuusing it if it does not exist...who made all this esoteric stuff up?Quote:
Posted by samvado
Personally I don't deny there are a FEW underground bases but Deagle said they are building something like 17 bases a year.... I ain't buying that one. I think they would be lucky to sneak one per decade.
Getting WISE About Nemesis
http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/34...-about-nemesis
"A dark object may be lurking near our solar system, occasionally kicking comets in our direction."
Best Regards,
Merkhava
interesting, I somehow had read it but it must have been somewhere else, the content was similar but the format not.Quote:
Posted by Merkhava
this nemesis is, if it exists, way out there and the danger is the stuff it kicks loose from the oort cloud.
VISTA: Pioneering New Survey Telescope Starts Work
A new infrared telescope for the southern hemisphere went into operational deployment about the same time that the WISE satellite was launched from Vandenberg AFB. The telescope located in ESO’s Paranal Observatory in the Atacama Desert of northern Chile will provide the capability to do wide area infrared surveys of the southern sky for celestial objects which can not be detected by optical telescopes.
http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso0949/
"Because VISTA is a large telescope that also has a large field of view it can both detect faint sources and also cover wide areas of sky quickly. Each VISTA image captures a section of sky covering about ten times the area of the full Moon and it will be able to detect and catalogue objects over the whole southern sky with a sensitivity that is forty times greater than that achieved with earlier infrared sky surveys such as the highly successful Two Micron All-Sky Survey."
Best Regards,
Merkhava
yeah, thats been in the making for a LOOOOOng time, true to the european financial structure. everything takes 3 times as long as with a more centralized institution.Quote:
Posted by Merkhava
I believe they started even before 2000 with that. its only a 4 meter reflector.
the whole enchilada is here
That's actually a very good question. I know you weren't posing it seriously, butQuote:
Posted by blue777
How much crap do we keep regurgitating in forums like this? The act of repeating it seems to give it credence.
Sam's style aside, he does ask some relevant and quite incisive questions at times.
A dark object would pass in front of stars as it moves along the sky. And not briefly either. Someone would have noticed their favourite patch of sky go dark by now and asked a public question about it. If I saw a star disappear the first thing I'd do is contact a bunch of my fellow astronomers to ask them to have a look and tell me what they see.
A lot of these 'dark object near Jupiter' 'data points' are on the 'possible but highly improbable' pile. You can choose to believe based on someone telling you someone they know told someone they know told someone. Fine.
People who think the dark object is real because "Deagle says so and he is 20-30% right [in general]" (I read that on the forum somewhere - I nearly choaked on my drink at the time), they really seem to have a very low threshold for accepting information as 'probably true' or even 'true'.
As someone once quipped - the problem with an open mind is that anything can slip into it.
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Open-mindedness: Open-mindedness is an intellectual virtue that involves a willingness to take relevant evidence and argument into account in forming or revising our beliefs and values, especially when there is some reason why we might resist such evidence and argument, with a view to arriving at true and defensible conclusions. It means being critically receptive to alternative possibilities, being willing to think again despite having formed an opinion, and sincerely trying to avoid those conditions and offset those factors which constrain and distort our reflections. - http://www.criticalthinking.org/
Sometimes you have to be careful not to mix the messengers style, or how you feel about the messenger, with the message.
I though some peoples minds are so open, their brains fall out ...Quote:
Posted by perfectresonance
Bill, (BR!)
Something just struck me.
One of the 'difficulties' with Bill Deagle is that he just streams information at a high rate. (How does he breathe? Is he an alien <- tongue in cheek)
He doesn't really give an "interviewer" the chance to back up the bus and work on ideas in more detail. As a listener, your brain is already in top gear trying to keep on top of the constant stream of information that any "...now hang on a cotton picking minute" moments you experience during his talks have been lost from short term memory and all you are left with is the feeling there was something you wanted to inquire further about.
I get the sense you and Bill Deagle are happy to spend some more time together, but can I put out the request that you tackle him for 2 hours one day and YOU get to control a proper interview, with questions you pre-prepared, to simply work on a single topic? The dark object one seems perfect to me in this regard. May I suggest interrupting Deagle isn't rude and will be essential ;)
I suppose there is a difference between sitting down and spending 2 or 3 hours listening to people who claim to be direct experiencers of something - the typical whistle blowers and those like Deagle and Wilcock who are, in essence, presumed to be little more than data aggregators with a large number of connections to data.
When you first meet people it is important to get their testimony on tape. But when they keep coming back, and you already have their story, isn't it time for the interviewer to take control and start digging for information?
The Nemesis Theory
So there are skeptics here who appear quite passionate in their stance that Nemesis is much ado about nothing. Here is a summary of why the Nemesis Theory has legs and why infrared assets are being deployed to search for brown dwarfs. As some of you may know, brown dwarfs were just theoretical celestial bodies until the first one was discovered recently. Several more have been since, and it is expected that WISE will find thousands more. And IF Nemesis is out there, WISE should find it. It is altogether another issue whether or not "the powers that be" would inform the rest of the world.
http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/...s-nemesis.html
In 1984, Muller, along with UC Berkeley astronomer Marc Davis and Piet Hut, an astronomer with the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton University, announced the Nemesis theory in Nature magazine. As could be expected, it was and remains controversial. However, although the evidence for the existence of Nemesis is still circumstantial, this evidence continues to mount, and the theory has so far withstood all challenges.
Best Regards,
Merkhava
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Posted by Merkhava
So there are skeptics here who appear quite passionate in their stance that Nemesis is much ado about nothing..
therefore why do we have forums like this one, thousands of people cannot be wrong...using intuition etc......also where does all the esoteric data come from , is it all made up from the EGO?
BLUE
wait, in case you are talking to ME: a nemesis (or brown dwarf) somewhere 1.5 lighyears away, I have NO PROBLEM with.Quote:
Posted by Merkhava
I simply would not comment on it as my knowledge is not sufficient to do that at this time, maybe a probability calculus, but thats it.
However, lets not forget this is the BILL DEAGLE thread. not the NEMESIS thread. I suggested earlier that we start a new thread under science for that.
Bill D. has a way of hysterically telling everybody who has an "open mind" that HIS nemesis is on its way to the inner solar system at a rate of 1 lightyear per 5 years, go figure.
you have btw. never answered my questions regarding you credentials.