The face mask discussion

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Posted by Stac(i)

I recognize that my mask is protecting those other people, not me.

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Let's investigate this statement more closely, because I have seen it stated many times and I am a very curious person.

For the purposes of this discussion, let's assume that:

a) viruses exist
b) they can be transmitted from person to person via coughs, sneezes, breathing tiny droplets in the air etc.

Let's categorize people now:

A. Uninfected person
B. Infected person (asymptomatic)
C. Infected person (symptomatic)


So let's start with scenario 1.
An Infected person (asymptomatic) (B) decides to wear a mask.

As Staci states (and let's assume she is correct for the time being) (B) is not protected, but doesn't want to infect another person.
She is wearing the mask because she feels it offers some degree of protection to people around her.

Now let's have (B) encounter a person (D) not wearing a mask. (B) coughs and (D) breathes in a small amount of (B)'s air droplets. Not a big amount, because (B) is wearing a mask. But let's assume the small amount was still enough to enter (D)'s system and let's further assume they eventually come down with Covid-19.

Viruses are sneaky characters. It takes the tiniest amount of droplet to gain access into a person's system.

So what did (B)'s mask accomplish in this case? Not much at all. It didn't stop (D) from becoming infected.


Now let's move to scenario 2.

Let's examine the vast majority of mask wearer's I encounter in the stores. The one's who run away from me (I don't wear a mask).
It is obvious that they haven't read the mask warnings. They are wearing their masks because they are petrified of catching the virus.
It's painfully obvious, you can see the fear in their eyes and their body language.

They are NOT wearing their masks to protect me!
Now let's assume that one of these people is an Uninfected person (A) and encounters me in a store.
Let's further assume that I am an Infected person (asymptomatic) (B).

I cough shortly before we pass by. According to what Staci has said, (and the WHO as well), if tiny droplets are shed when I coughed, (A) will not be protected.

So why do people who are uninfected wear masks?

The WHO says "there is no evidence that wearing a mask - of any type - protects non-sick persons."

So if wearing a mask won't protect you from getting infected, that means viruses can penetrate masks.
And if viruses can penetrate masks, they can enter the person wearing the mask, or they can exit the person wearing the mask and enter someone else.

So I don't see how Staci can say that "I recognize that my mask is protecting those other people, not me."
The mask is not protecting you, nor other people.

Where I live, I haven't worn a mask yet. Very few masks are worn here. Zero cases of the virus, so that may have something to do with it.
What I am finding rather appalling is that there appears to be a trend of designer masks making a fashion statement now, on Facebook. All kinds of artsy and cutesy masks. YUK!
:facepalm:

The Majority of Professional point out that wearing a mask apart from doing surgery is pointless and may be harmful.
However, freedom of choice should prevail without criticism from wearers or non wearers.

I know its not quite the same but!!
I have never used an umbrella. I dont mind getting a little wet.
I dont mind others using them but sometimes umbrellas can be a little dangerous to other and down right useless when its windy.
I despair when I am served by staff that are not just using the standard mask but curved glass in front of the face mask.
Im sorry for the fear that propaganda has created to induce the wearing of such a cumbersome gadget.
Chris

Ps leading professionals say that
Inoculation/ anti virus/flu jab is not necessary and in fact counter productive.
The immune system needs to be exposed to these things in order to be strengthened for the next virus that will come naturally.

Only those with weak immune system need protected.
Chris

No I do not wear a face mask.

I consider all those that do idiots.

And I find it bewildering that this discussion has lasted for 183 posts and 10 pages.

All because of the FLU!

Yes it is more virulent or nasty but is survivable for the majority of the population.

I nearly died when I contracted it. It laid me out for 18/19 days. This was in December/January when there was no Corona virus. I lost thousands of pounds and persecuted now by bailiffs and collectors, whom are waiting in the wings for this lock-down to finish. No medical intervention.

Now anybody has a runny nose and they go screaming and crying to their medical care. It's the FLU!

Please also note I am 64yrs young with pre-existing medical condition of COPD. Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease. Google it and you will see it is incurable.

If you are under the age of 50 then suck it up people.

My last post was rather long-winded and cumbersome to read, so I will try to simplify it.

"I don't wear a mask to protect me, it's to protect others"

Really?

You have a one-way mask?
The mask lets viruses IN that can infect you, but it doesn't let viruses
OUT that can infect other people?

Where can I buy one of those one-way masks?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=U9ti6isM-NY

Prof. Dolores J. Cahill Recommends not to wear a mask.

Viking

I sometimes wonder if people read or watch evidence posted of professional opinion.
My family dont
Chris

Just a short add to this thread. I went to Denver to see a friend this weekend and spent a few hours in two large parks (Cheesman and Wash Parks). Maybe 10% of the people in each were wearing masks even though you are "required" to do so unless you can stay six feet apart. In fact, there was no major effort to stay six feet, which is also "required". My point is that people are waking up quickly (from my perspective). It was great to see.

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Posted by Ayt

Where I live, I haven't worn a mask yet. Very few masks are worn here. Zero cases of the virus, so that may have something to do with it.
What I am finding rather appalling is that there appears to be a trend of designer masks making a fashion statement now, on Facebook. All kinds of artsy and cutesy masks. YUK!
:facepalm:

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what a ton of bulls crap, this entire situation is so messed.
Here the temperature is 36 degree but feels like 44 degree (with almost no wind - literally an oven), do you know how it feels using a mask with this heat?
Me and most people in my area are not using it.

I can't breathe normally either, I honestly get dizzy, I have a fever, my blood pressure rises and it gives me an unpleasant general condition, close to the symptoms that are advertised, I wonder how those with respiratory problems can breathe.

The fact that we have to cover the only part of the body that correlates with our soul, the smile of our heart, proves a lot.

https://familist.ro/wp-content/uploa...ni-600x428.jpg

Now when I want to buy something in stores, our body temperature is checked (no more than 37.3 degrees), at the entrance to the stores, with a thermometer like a pistol aimed at my forehead, and the sensation is unpleasant enough,
with the "gun" on my forehead and the mask on, which for me seems to warn "stop talking" or "stop breathing"
But it's interesting that now that I want to go buy food,
I will have to successfully pass the gunmen at the entrance...

https://i2.wp.com/andreialbu.com/wp-...26%2C417&ssl=1
I have the greatest compassion for the families of the deceased (a real compassion) and I wonder what is in the soul of the one who is carried on a hermetically sealed stretcher (separate from the world), but especially in the soul of those who were left to die alone (from cause of danger of infection).

What has pushed us people in this world so much that we are afraid of each other when we walk down the street together?
The planet breathes, let's breathe, just to adapt to the whole environment in which we live.
If I were willing to serve 15 years in prison (current law) because I don't want to wear a mask, then I wouldn't wear it.

This is a really great commentary on face masks. Goes deep into mesh-guages and what really gets through, or stops virus particles at various distances. Also touches on food and drink consumption while wearing masks.

What I found enriching though was the amazing statistical trends that stand right out when you switch from linear to log plots of infections per million when demographics are removed from the sample. Staring us right in the face.

Worth a watch !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDXG-dHugc

I was talking with a friend and together we came to the conclusion that a very simple form of protest would be to everybody in your town or city agreed to not wear a mask and let's see what the "authorities" are going to do.
Flood the stores with no mask, do everything normally without wearing a mask. I saw a few been denied entrance include me, but I saw a Buddhist Monk getting through without wearing a mask.
The question is: What do qualify that Monk as an exception?

Funny times we are living.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...y-sweden-model So here's the solution that correlates with the no mask , herd immunity , looks like sweden has the answer. As for the counts here in the states , I was told hospitals get 16,000 dollars to admit someone with covid and 39,000 dollars if they go on a ventilator. And if an ambulance picks you up and your sick its listed as covid automatically. My business has stayed open, I wore a mask for a while but now I feel educated enough , I'm good without it and wash my hands much more . As a side note , do not use antibacterial soap, this is another form of blocking your immune system from working properly. Just use regular bar soap or dish soap and rub a dub dub. Your immune system needs to work daily to be healthy.

The mask has become a uniform, like a hijab or curly cues or gold chains or funny hats or tattoos. It is a statement of belief and a visible sign of conformity and support of an ideology or group. It is to make one visibly part of the in-group. It is a means to reduce the stigma of visible minorities in general.

The mask is the great equalizer.

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Posted by Ernie Nemeth

The mask has become a uniform, like a hijab or curly cues or gold chains or funny hats or tattoos. It is a statement of belief and a visible sign of conformity and support of an ideology or group. It is to make one visibly part of the in-group. It is a means to reduce the stigma of visible minorities in general.

The mask is the great equalizer.

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Great cult mentality.
Mask is a sure sign of a weak mind and total submission.
Stay submitted, I will never.

Hi there everyone, I've been reading this thread with some interest and have a question. Not trying to sow seeds of dissension on the thread, just truly interested. Some people state they will never wear a mask, and I understand why. I'm wondering if mask refusers have faced any of the effects of not wearing one.

Do you live in an area where:

1. Masks are not required
2. Masks are suggested but not required
3. Masks are required to enter a shop to purchase food, purchase gas/petrol for your vehicle or take public transportation if no vehicle, enter emergency medical care facility if, for example, your child who just fell off their bicycle and broke an arm - and so on

In the third case, would you wear a mask, walk in with out one or ask/hire a mask wearing person to take care of these tasks for you?

If you attempted entrance without a mask and were refused or escorted out by Security types, threatened with arrest due to no mask, what would you do? Would you consider taking a different approach?

Franny it does not currently apply in the UK
But I am for freedom of choice -- if it did apply in UK I would not get into confrontation and if there was someother way of getting what I wanted I would take that.

I am currently getting monthly eye injections in local hospital and a mask is put on me -- im seated 6 ft away from anyone else.
I accept the mask without quibble under these circumstances.
As soon as I get out I take it off.

Chris

Some large stores insist that you wear a mask to shop there, and they give you one at the door.

I will wear it to get the items I need.

But the reality is that it does not prevent a person from a virus. Doctors have said so, and it says so right on the box.

The reason TPTB want people to wear them is to I ject fear into the public.

I will not spend my money to scare people.

Social distancing British style. Compliments of Hale and Pace.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3juaQvrlsZw

I personally do not wear a mask and I think for the vast majority of the population there is no compelling reason to do so.

At the risk of sounding unpopular I also think much of the mask-wearing I see today is simply virtue signalling.

The virus isn’t going away anytime soon. No virus is. It will just mutate into slightly different forms and keep propagating.

Are you willing to wear a mask forever? If so why didn't you wear a mask for the 2018 flu season?

And if you’re not willing to wear a mask forever, why are you wearing one today?