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Dear AutumnW:
Thank you for your last post, for which I am most grateful and relieved. I do appreciate your words and the time and energy you took to write it.
To say, however, that I misinterpreted what you wrote, is not to fully accept responsibility for your words here. Your language is filled with colorful similes and metaphors, and if they weren’t so hostile and directed at real people with real feelings, they would actually be quite humorous. The language is also quite vague and open to a lot of different interpretations. When you address me as “Dude” or refer to the intellectual content of my life as “dunghills” or use many of the language choices that you did in this thread, there is a clear and unmistakable tone of anger, hostility and disdain that pretty much insures that most people are going to interpret your words in the most negative way possible, and your vague and colorful language leaves a lot of room for interpretation.
As far as my “unleashing the hounds of Hell” upon you in public, I think you might want to review this thread. At this moment, I don’t have the stomach to do this, but as I recollect, most of your post were general assertions of who I was and what kind of person I was and what kind of Holocaust denying videos I like to watch. Most of my posts were only criticizing you in terms of the language you were directing at me here in this thread, and since I had not had much interaction with you on Avalon I made no assumption as to who you were outside this thread. I feel no need to retract any of the language I made or make any claims that my words how meanings which could have been misunderstood. I think my word choices were pretty good, considering, that I felt, in my opinion, that it was I who was battling the “hounds of Hell” at the time. This is not to say that I don’t get emotional and unreasonable and my word choices aren’t always perfect, and if I did say something untrue, untoward or undeserved, please let me know and, if I agree, I will gladly apologize. Perhaps I could have been a little less abrupt when I disagreed with you about whether the video discussed in this thread should have any value. For that I do apologize.
As for your suggestion that we now be friends, I don’t think that either of us could sincerely do that right now, considering our disagreement as to what actually happened here. But we can always agree to disagree, and we can certainly be polite and even look forward to having some interesting discussions and even have fun debating from different points of view. This becomes a whole lot easier when you take Adolph Hitler and revisionist WW II history off the table. So I sincerely hope that we can look forward to that! And while I don’t agree with all of your words here, I do thank you.
Sincerely,
Kryztian
I understand completely. Best wishes, K.
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You are conflating the mockery of white supremacists, neo-nazis, avowed racists, with the mockery of all melanin-challenged people. Stop that. It's called 'putting words in someone's mouth.'
Fine, then Dennis, I'll just accept your pronouncement as gospel and take it to its logical conclusion.
I will not only prove that I am less racist than you, but that I am logically consistent in my morality, too. I'll condemn all racial supremacists, and in Autumn's exact words! So let's celebrate bashing racial supremacists together and pat each other on the back about how not racist we are. Maybe we'll even have a party about it.
Here we go!
White supremacists:
It seems to me that whenever white people agitate for genetic purity, it's a bit like promoting a tiny gene pool where even the best swimmers are like them. Pink, hairless, bloated, not bright and thrashing about like they are drowning.
Black supremacists:
It seems to me that whenever black people agitate for genetic purity, it's a bit like promoting a tiny gene pool where even the best swimmers are like them. Black, hairless, bloated, not bright and thrashing about like they are drowning.
Chinese supremacists:
It seems to me that whenever the Chinese agitate for genetic purity, it's a bit like promoting a tiny gene pool where even the best swimmers are like them. Yellow, hairless, bloated, not bright and thrashing about like they are drowning.
Islamic Brotherhood:
It seems to me that whenever Arabs people agitate for genetic purity, it's a bit like promoting a tiny gene pool where even the best swimmers are like them. Olive-colored, hairless, bloated, not bright and thrashing about like they are drowning.
And I expect the same "thanks" on my post from the so-not-racist mods Billy and Sierra, since they're clearly against all forms of racial supremacy. I hope you all feel appropriately vindicated in your social justice crusade against all this racism in the world. I'm sure everything I just posted above makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, just like hating white people does.
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And just wow on your inability to simply answer those two questions with a simple unqualified "no." You are also name-calling me a "SJW" and a cultist and a leftist, I guess in an attempt to further turn away from the (just slightly on-topic due to the lineage from hitler to today's white supremacists) actual subject at hand.
Completely on-topic because Hitler was also a racist socialist. The fact that he was pro-white instead of anti-white like the mods who ran into this thread makes little difference, because it's still racial politics, the left's forte.
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and you certainly do know if you support white supremacy. That's "white supremacy", not "being white/Caucasian."
And you would certainly know how to define it like I asked. The problem is, it's like hate speech, which Bill himself complains about. You can't define hate speech, and you can't define white supremacy either, because you need the definition to shift with your political agenda.
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Hitler is clearly poisoning this thread from beyond the grave :P
Can we please go back to talking about Hitler? I really think it's a big piece of the puzzle.
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...If something comes up again where you feel offended by me, please PM me and we can sort it out behind the scenes. I am most amenable to people asking me, "did you mean this or that," rather than unleashing the hounds of Hell on me on a public forum. Super happy to retract almost anything and apologize for misunderstandings or where I have been unfair.
Or just report the posting, and have a mod mediate. Because some people are shy :)
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Voice from the Mountains,
Let's clarify once again. I was referring to white supremacists who focus on racial purity and their genetics as if it is something particularly special. For further clarification...My siblings and I, all have mild congenital defect.
For several centuries my father's Swedish/Lapp ancestors were geographically isolated and ended up part of a gene puddle rather than a gene pool. I can't be sure this is the cause and am still proud of my heritage but....I chose not have children, in part because of this genetic load.
When I hear fair haired pale skinned white supremacists make comments about white racial purity and preserving their superiority, it just makes me laugh. The very best thing you can do for the genetic health of your children is to marry a healthy individual outside of your racial type.
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If your words reflect your frustration from things in your personal life, that is fine, and I can understand that completely. I don't even oppose you being able to say what you said, because I believe in free speech. The only problem I have is when I see rules selectively applied based on which race is involved, which is the very definition of racial discrimination.
If there are rules against certain forms of speech on this or any other forum, that is typical and understandable. What is not understandable to me, whether it's on a forum or any other system in whatever form that is nominally based upon rules and some kind of order, is how people carve out exceptions to the rules based on race.
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The very best thing you can do for the genetic health of your children is to marry a healthy individual outside of your racial type.
I don't think there is any simple way to determine what "the very best thing you can do for the genetic health of your children" is, but the natural chemistry/instincts/whatever you want to call it, that two healthy and compatible people feel around one another, is probably the best we're going to get. What you are alluding to, by the way, is inbreeding depression, which is certainly a real thing, and so is outbreeding depression. The very existence of these medical conditions would suggest some kind of middle ground is preferable, but like I said, I don't like how unnatural this makes the marriage/having children process.
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I don’t know what’s been going with Avalon lately, but I feel like there’s been a lot of pent up anger visible on more than one thread.. our bodies are nothing but a meat suit and we all bleed red no matter what race we belong to. So let’s not spend too much energy on that and focus on what brought us all to Avalon in the first place: the continuous search for The Truth.
Now back to Hitler! What really intrigues me about this topic is how mainstream history books paint Hitler as the worst person in human history. It’s so entrenched in our culture that if you want to insult a person you would call him/her Hitler! Considering that there has been more savage people like Genghis Khan, one can only wonder why Hitler takes the crown? The crazy part is that the corpse that was supposedly him was actually not him to begin with. A lot of intelligence reports hint that he actually retired in South America.
Let’s assume that Hitler actually retired in Argentina. That means that WW2 was nothing but theatre meant to reshuffle the whole human farm. There were no 2 opposing sides, they both played their roles in this conflict. Hitler did his job and got to spend the rest of his days in peace, the remaining Nazis were integrated in other countries like USA and the secret space program was created behind NASA.
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Let’s assume that Hitler actually retired in Argentina. That means that WW2 was nothing but theatre meant to reshuffle the whole human farm. There were no 2 opposing sides, they both played their roles in this conflict. Hitler did his job and got to spend the rest of his days in peace, the remaining Nazis were integrated in other countries like USA and the secret space program was created behind NASA.
Yes, this is a theory I subscribe to, as I believe that there is evidence to support it. The reshuffling occurred forthwith, resulting in the infiltration of the USA at different levels to include the Energy Dept as well as the creation and staffing of the CIA. There are other, older threads here in PA that have gone in-depth down this particular rabbit hole but it is important to realize that the influence that didn't even begin back during WWII but before, has continued and has become an integral expression of the national character of this country to the detriment of the world.
I can remember reading somewhere that after WWII, there was an agreement between the USA and Russia. The Soviet Union took scientists working on the more esoteric and psychic side of things, i.e. remote viewing, telekinesis, etc., while the USA took scientists working on the physical nature of creation, i.e. atomic scientists, astronomers, etc.
The continuing and deepening use of mind control technology out of the USA to incorporate many of the electromagnetic and psychic weaponry tools and techniques came from those times.
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Jad
That means that WW2 was nothing but theatre meant to reshuffle the whole human farm. There were no 2 opposing sides, they both played their roles in this conflict.
A lot of theater, yes, but also a lot of legitimate international power plays going on too.
For example, if the US didn't rush into Germany at the last minute, Stalin wanted to take all of Nazi-occupied Europe for himself, all the way into France at least. I think that was the US's real objective in Europe, to stop Stalin from doing that, because we really didn't fight the Nazis as much as hyped. The vast majority of fighting in Europe was between the Nazis and Soviets alone. The US was more involved in the Pacific.
The book No Simple Victory has a lot of statistics bearing all of this out. By stats such as casualty rates, 90+% of the war in Europe was strictly Third Reich vs USSR.
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Yes, this is a theory I subscribe to, as I believe that there is evidence to support it. The reshuffling occurred forthwith, resulting in the infiltration of the USA at different levels to include the Energy Dept as well as the creation and staffing of the CIA. There are other, older threads here in PA that have gone in-depth down this particular rabbit hole but it is important to realize that the influence that didn't even begin back during WWII but before, has continued and has become an integral expression of the national character of this country to the detriment of the world.
Exactly. It goes back to WWI and even earlier. The Bush family was already in arms dealing by WWI if I remember correctly, and that was their foothold into later banking for the Nazis. Other military connections were illegally stealing US supplies and sending them to the USSR, totally unrelated to the war effort.
There is another book called None Dare Call It Treason which goes into the other half of the post-war infiltration, which was by Communists. Joseph McCarthy was demonized for no reason. When the USSR collapsed, previously classified papers came into circulation that proved that Soviet spies were crawling all over the US government too. So you had at least three factions struggling for power in the US government after the war.
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I don’t know what’s been going with Avalon lately, but I feel like there’s been a lot of pent up anger visible on more than one thread.. our bodies are nothing but a meat suit and we all bleed red no matter what race we belong to. So let’s not spend too much energy on that and focus on what brought us all to Avalon in the first place: the continuous search for The Truth.
Now back to Hitler! What really intrigues me about this topic is how mainstream history books paint Hitler as the worst person in human history. It’s so entrenched in our culture that if you want to insult a person you would call him/her Hitler! Considering that there has been more savage people like Genghis Khan, one can only wonder why Hitler takes the crown? The crazy part is that the corpse that was supposedly him was actually not him to begin with. A lot of intelligence reports hint that he actually retired in South America.
Let’s assume that Hitler actually retired in Argentina. That means that WW2 was nothing but theatre meant to reshuffle the whole human farm. There were no 2 opposing sides, they both played their roles in this conflict. Hitler did his job and got to spend the rest of his days in peace, the remaining Nazis were integrated in other countries like USA and the secret space program was created behind NASA.
You might want to watch "Hunting Hitler" it is a very well done investigation into Hitler and his henchman, post WW2. Over three seasons also available on DVD.
Link: http://avalonlibrary.net/Hunting%20Hitler/
P.S. I just could not get away from it and watched each season in one sitting I found the series very interesting.
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Found this to be quite relevant to our conversation here.
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Found this to be quite relevant to our conversation here.
Excellent. I‘m just afraid that may not come across via only reading the subtitles (although translated accurately) without the German language context.
It‘s the kind of twisting which happens day after day in the two countries (Germany and Austria) where actual, historical Nazism had emerged and grown into collective madness.
Not only had the Nazi elite survived in the US and South America, not only had the Nazi economic and financial powers transitioned seamlessly into pseudo-democratic post-war Germany - their propaganda, their twisted values and perverted morality had also survived in the minds of a large part of the population - and still does, for meanwhile three generations. When called out on their intentions, that‘s what you get (see video above).
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Found this to be quite relevant to our conversation here.
Excellent. I‘m just afraid that may not come across via only reading the subtitles (although translated accurately) without the German language context.
The clip contains a lot of subtle irony. For example, at first the guy in the uniform claims that he is not a nazi. But during the dialog that guy loses his temper and shouts: "Enough! He insulted the Fuehrer! Arrest him!"
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I am extremely allergic towards this subject by now. How come so many people always like to bring it up and up again? It must have a extrem faszination to many..I guess....... This was before I even was born.
By the way Adolf Hitler was born in Austria and not in Germany.........
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I am extremely allergic towards this subject by now. How come so many people always like to bring it up and up again? It must have a extrem faszination to many..I guess....... This was before I even was born.
Because it is alive and kicking. In people’s minds, in the zeitgeist generally and throughout all the ranks of politics. It is no longer necessary for people to hide their nazi mindset*. It has become socially acceptable again, for a long time now.
I know there are obvious bigger, contemporary threats. But you can‘t seperate them from another. What neo-nazism does to society serves as a tool to implement total control. And the tragedy is that it is the same with their opposite, the extreme left.
In some European countries where still almost everybody has more or less conscious ties to the Third Reich experience via their family history, the issue is addressed differently than in the US, for example. To leave all that behind and let it become a thing of the past - like, say, the Roman Empire - the collective trauma (which does still exist) must be processed publicly beyond the categories of blame, guilt or shame. That has not happened yet (or only to a very small extent). On the contrary, nazi ideology has been incorporated into the current bigger control systems, directly or indirectly.
How could we just move on! Sure the possibility to just move on lies on the emotional, mental, spiritual level, so that we are able to deal with it in a rational, detached manner.
* What do I mean with nazi mindset:
forced nationalism/patriotism (forced use of symbols, slogans, flags), militaristic structures in society, obsession with national security, close collaboration of military and police, police state mentality, national hubris, use of religious rethoric (any religion including atheism), theories of racial superiority, reinforcement of major corporations, creation of scapegoats, openly controlled media, destruction of labor unions, disdain for intellectual work and arts, old-boy networks and corruption . .
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The clip contains a lot of subtle irony. For example, at first the guy in the uniform claims that he is not a nazi. But during the dialog that guy loses his temper and shouts: "Enough! He insulted the Fuehrer! Arrest him!"
It is a fun clip, I had a good laugh. Though the thin layer of irony cannot really conceal the seriousness of the issue. I think it is a great way to deal with it by using humor, irony, sarcasm, even a cartoonish approach, too.
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To leave all that behind and let it become a thing of the past - like, say, the Roman Empire - the collective trauma (which does still exist) must be processed publicly beyond the categories of blame, guilt or shame. That has not happened yet (or only to a very small extent).
"Whatever is rejected from the self, appears in the world as an event." - Carl Jung
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I am extremely allergic towards this subject by now. How come so many people always like to bring it up and up again? It must have a extrem faszination to many..I guess....... This was before I even was born.
Because it is alive and kicking. In people’s minds, in the zeitgeist generally and throughout all the ranks of politics. It is no longer necessary for people to hide their nazi mindset*. It has become socially acceptable again, for a long time now.
I know there are obvious bigger, contemporary threats. But you can‘t seperate them from another. What neo-nazism does to society serves as a tool to implement total control. And the tragedy is that it is the same with their opposite, the extreme left.
Here is a provocative claim: whenever the standard of living goes down or it is at least threatened for a majority, then the specter of fascism appears again on the scene. The leaning towards fascism is just an attitude of "circle the wagons" or "we against them". Whenever the economy is improving for the general population, then the political attitude moves towards the left.
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It is alive, because they make sure it stays alive.....
I grew up in Germany and got bombared all my life on TV, magazines or where ever again and again with this subject..this war..which was before I was born. They still talk all the time about retrieval (I hope it is the right word...) and so on...And the local german people still pay for it...even if they been born way later.
For example, a person born in Russia whos grandfather was inprisoned by germans in world war II, gets way better conditions for loans and benefits, when moving to Germany, than the people born in Germany today.This is only 1 example out of many others which exist. I dont really know on what is the plan for how many generations they want to continue this......? We are talking about grand and greatgrandchildren by now......
This is not a subject for me....to make jokes about....sorry.....
And I dont think it is very positive to crowd the peoples minds with wars and very bad parts of human history...again and again..... It only keeps the war thinking alive....is how I think.
This is something which goes totally wrong in the media also....war, war, fighting, killing......puts ideas in peoples mind.......
Sure we should not forget about the past. But we also should not have it as daily subject in our present live either. To recognize the past is important.....but to concentrade into the now and into good and positive things even more, I believe.......
Wherever your mind, your thinking goes most of the time..this is where your energy goes and it does strenghten it..... So I try to recognize whatever appears, but to concentrade into the positive signs around today.......
I dont know on how you would think if you got confronted every year, with the facts on how many native americans got killed when the Europeans came to the US at the first........ Which was about 59 Millions, I heard..........And where is the retrieval in this case? And how come there is hardly any talking about this?
Maybe we should better think about on how we can create a more peacefull and harmonic NOW without the NWO.....:idea:
...have a nice day....:flower:
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Whisper
I am extremely allergic towards this subject by now. How come so many people always like to bring it up and up again? It must have a extrem faszination to many..I guess....... This was before I even was born.
Because it is alive and kicking. In people’s minds, in the zeitgeist generally and throughout all the ranks of politics. It is no longer necessary for people to hide their nazi mindset*. It has become socially acceptable again, for a long time now.
I know there are obvious bigger, contemporary threats. But you can‘t seperate them from another. What neo-nazism does to society serves as a tool to implement total control. And the tragedy is that it is the same with their opposite, the extreme left.
Here is a provocative claim: whenever the standard of living goes down or it is at least threatened for a majority, then the specter of fascism appears again on the scene. The leaning towards fascism is just an attitude of "circle the wagons" or "we against them". Whenever the economy is improving for the general population, then the political attitude moves towards the left.
absolutely right, not a provocative claim at all. Also in war time, even if a given country's economy is good, it will veered towards very conservatives and sometimes fascism values/behaviors.
Those are personal views, I have no research supporting them.
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It is alive, because they make sure it stays alive.....
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Indeed... it has become an "Industry" to keep the propaganda triggered on a continuous loop:
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Here is a 41 page 2nd Edition of the Richard E. Harwood book: 'Did Six Million Really Die?' available on Archive.org soberly written and without hysteria; it appears upon scanning it quickly that it has been well resourced.
A supporting article Before and after the “Holocaust”: Jewish population numbers in 1933 and 1948 which may or may not have appeared on the forum already somewhere can also be read here
Resource:
• Report of The International Committee of The Red Cross , 1948 - Vol. 1
Additional volumes can be linked to here
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The Jews And The Concentration Camps: A Factual Appraisal By The Red Cross.
There is one survey of the Jewish question in Europe during World War Two and the conditions of Germany's concentration camps which is almost unique in its honesty and objectivity, the three-volume Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War, Geneva, 1948.
This comprehensive account from an entirely neutral source incorporated and expanded the findings of two previous works: Documents sur l'activité du CICR en faveur des civils détenus dans les camps de concentration en Allemagne 1939-1945 (Geneva, 1946), and Inter Arma Caritas: the Work of the ICRC during the Second World War (Geneva, 1947). The team of authors, headed by Frédéric Siordet, explained in the opening pages of the Report that their object, in the tradition of the Red Cross, had been strict political neutrality, and herein lies its great value.
The ICRC successfully applied the 1929 Geneva military convention in order to gain access to civilian internees held in Central and Western Europe by the Germany authorities. By contrast, the ICRC was unable to gain any access to the Soviet Union, which had failed to ratify the Convention. The millions of civilian and military internees held in the USSR, whose conditions were known to be by far the worst, were completely cut off from any international contact or supervision.
The Red Cross Report is of value in that it first clarifies the legitimate circumstances under which Jews were detained in concentration camps, i.e. as enemy aliens. In describing the two categories of civilian internees, the Report distinguishes the second type as "Civilians deported on administrative grounds (in German, "Schutzhäftlinge"), who were arrested for political or racial motives because their presence was considered a danger to the State or the occupation forces" (Vol. 111, p. 73). These persons, it continues, "were placed on the same footing as persons arrested or imprisoned under common law for security reasons." (P.74).
The Report admits that the Germans were at first reluctant to permit supervision by the Red Cross of people detained on grounds relating to security, but by the latter part of 1942, the ICRC obtained important concessions from Germany. They were permitted to distribute food parcels to major concentration camps in Germany from August 1942, and "from February 1943 onwards this concession was extended to all other camps and prisons" (Vol. 111, p. 78).
The ICRC soon established contact with camp commandants and launched a food relief programme which continued to function until the last months of 1945, letters of thanks for which came pouring in from Jewish internees.
Red Cross Recipients Were Jews
The Report states that "As many as 9,000 parcels were packed daily. From the autumn of 1943 until May 1945, about 1,112,000 parcels with a total weight of 4,500 tons were sent off to the concentration camps" (Vol. III, p. 80). In addition to food, these contained clothing and pharmaceutical supplies. "Parcels were sent to Dachau, Buchenwald, Sangerhausen, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Flossenburg, Landsberg-am-Lech, Flöha, Ravensbrück, Hamburg-Neuengamme, Mauthausen, Theresienstadt, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, to camps near Vienna and in Central and Southern Germany. The principal recipients were Belgians, Dutch, French, Greeks, Italians, Norwegians, Poles and stateless Jews" (Vol. III, p. 83).
In the course of the war, "The Committee was in a position to transfer and distribute in the form of relief supplies over twenty million Swiss francs collected by Jewish welfare organisations throughout the world, in particular by the American Joint Distribution Committee of New York" (Vol. I, p. 644).
This latter organisation was permitted by the German Government to maintain offices in Berlin until the American entry into the war. The ICRC complained that obstruction of their vast relief operation for Jewish internees came not from the Germans but from the tight Allied blockade of Europe. Most of their purchases of relief food were made in Rumania, Hungary and Slovakia.
The ICRC had special praise for the liberal conditions which prevailed at Theresienstadt up to the time of their last visits there in April 1945. This camp, "where there were about 40,000 Jews deported from various countries was a relatively privileged ghetto" (Vol. III, p. 75).
According to the Report, "'The Committee's delegates were able to visit the camp at Theresienstadt (Terezin) which was used exclusively for Jews and was governed by special conditions. From information gathered by the Committee, this camp had been started as an experiment by certain leaders of the Reich ... These men wished to give the Jews the means of setting up a communal life in a town under their own administration and possessing almost complete autonomy. . . two delegates were able to visit the camp on April 6th, 1945. They confirmed the favourable impression gained on the first visit" (Vol. I, p . 642).
The ICRC also had praise for the regime of Ion Antonescu of Fascist Rumania where the Committee was able to extend special relief to 183,000 Rumanian Jews until the time of the Soviet occupation. The aid then ceased, and the ICRC complained bitterly that it never succeeded "in sending anything whatsoever to Russia" (Vol. II, p. 62).
The same situation applied to many of the German camps after their "liberation" by the Russians. The ICRC received a voluminous flow of mail from Auschwitz until the period of the Soviet occupation, when many of the internees were evacuated westward. But the efforts of the Red Cross to send relief to internees remaining at Auschwitz under Soviet control were futile. However, food parcels continued to be sent to former Auschwitz inmates transferred west to such camps as Buchenwald and Oranienburg.
No Evidence Of Genocide
One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).
Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.
In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend.
Like the Vatican representatives with whom they worked, the Red Cross found itself unable to indulge in the irresponsible charges of genocide which had become the order of the day. So far as the genuine mortality rate is concerned, the Report points out that most of the Jewish doctors from the camps were being used to combat typhus on the eastern front, so that they were unavailable when the typhus epidemics of 1945 broke out in the camps (Vol. I, p. 204 ff) - Incidentally, it is frequently claimed that mass executions were carried out in gas chambers cunningly disguised as shower facilities. Again the Report makes nonsense of this allegation.
"Not only the washing places, but installations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by the delegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made less primitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol. III, p. 594).
Not All Were Interned
Volume III of the Red Cross Report, Chapter 3 (I. Jewish Civilian Population) deals with the "aid given to the Jewish section of the free population," and this chapter makes it quite plain that by no means all of the European Jews were placed in internment camps, but remained, subject to certain restrictions, as part of the free civilian population. This conflicts directly with the "thoroughness" of the supposed "extermination programme", and with the claim in the forged Höss memoirs that Eichmann was obsessed with seizing "every single Jew he could lay his hands on."
In Slovakia, for example, where Eichmann's assistant Dieter Wisliceny was in charge, the Report states that "A large proportion of the Jewish minority had permission to stay in the country, and at certain periods Slovakia was looked upon as a comparative haven of refuge for Jews, especially for those coming from Poland.
Those who remained in Slovakia seem to have been in comparative safety until the end of August 1944, when a rising against the German forces took place. While it is true that the law of May 15th, 1942 had brought about the internment of several thousand Jews, these people were held in camps where the conditions of food and lodging were tolerable, and where the internees were allowed to do paid work on terms almost equal to those of the free labour market" (Vol. I, p. 646).
Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey. Ironically, post-war Jewish emigration from German-occupied territories was also facilitated by the Reich, as in the case of the Polish Jews who had escaped to France before its occupation. "The Jews from Poland who, whilst in France, had obtained entrance permits to the United States were held to be American citizens by the German occupying authorities, who further agreed to recognize the validity of about three thousand passports issued to Jews by the consulates of South American countries" (Vol. I, p. 645).
As future U.S. citizens, these Jews were held at the Vittel camp in southern France for American aliens. The emigration of European Jews from Hungary in particular proceeded during the war unhindered by the German authorities. "Until March 1944," says the. Red Cross Report, "Jews who had the privilege of visas for Palestine were free to leave Hungary" (Vol. I, p. 648). Even after the replacement of the Horthy Government in 1944 (following its attempted armistice with the Soviet Union) with a government more dependent on German authority, the emigration of Jews continued.
The Committee secured the pledges of both Britain and the United States "to give support by every means to the emigration of Jews from Hungary," and from the U.S. Government the ICRC received a message stating that "The Government of the United States ... now specifically repeats its assurance that arrangements will be made by it for the care of all Jews who in the present circumstances are allowed to leave" (Vol. I, p . 649).
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Biedermann agreed that in the nineteen instances that "Did Six Million Really Die?" quoted from the Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War and Inter Arma Caritas (this includes the above material), it did so accurately.
A quote from Charles Biedermann (a delegate of the International Committee of the Red Cross and Director of the Red Cross' International Tracing Service) under oath at the Zündel Trial (February 9, 10, 11 and 12, 1988).
