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  1. Re: Does Our Treatment of Animals Affect How We Treat Each Other?

    I don't think what you are getting at holds true in any significant way unfortunately. There are a lot of dirtbag vegans because there is a whole subset of society offered for them to cling to (much...
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    Pride is a hard thing to over come. Maybe one of the last hurdles we manage to get over. So that prideful vegan may be overly proud of his efforts in creating a smaller carbon footprint. But if we...
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    Will have to watch that later tonight.

    Here is a something interesting I was just thinking about though. Might stir up some reaction but I'll risk it. If we take America for example, we see that...
  4. Re: Does Our Treatment of Animals Affect How We Treat Each Other?

    Well I wouldn't go that far. In fact when it comes to the logical debates I find the vegans are almost always wiping the floor with those who indorse meat eating. That being said the potential for...
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    I think more feeling images of animals showing emotion. Inspirational stories of health benefits for a vegan diet. Sad stories of animals and their slaughter house fates. These kinds of messages need...
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    I am beginning to think that this subject as a rational debate is actually hopeless. A seemingly better argument can be placed one after another on either side of the debate endlessly. That is the...
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    Very nice. Reminds me of this video, a must watch, as this child brings his mother to tears with such simple feeling/logic that IMO is inherent in most children before it becomes a rational cerebral...
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    Re: Hollow earth, the biggest cover up

    My question daozen, is when is the project Avalon field trip to the inside of mount Shasta. :). I'm halfway serious too.
  9. Re: Does Our Treatment of Animals Affect How We Treat Each Other?

    I dono I thought that vid was pretty funny. If anything it shows how people in general need the disconnect from where their food comes from in order to enjoy it without guilt. And unfortunately our...
  10. Re: Does Our Treatment of Animals Affect How We Treat Each Other?

    I think you have some hang up on logic, something else is attached there; your not making sense.


    Logic is a method, that's it like putting one foot in front of the other to walk, you can put...
  11. Re: Does Our Treatment of Animals Affect How We Treat Each Other?

    I think a lot of how we each decide what is more 'important' or equally important (logic vs feeling/emotion/intuition) is based on our personality type. So, I can't expect my reasoning to be more...
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    And Target has been one of the main engines to this thread to which I do appreciate :). If we watch the threads progression over the pages we see a gradual evolution towards civility on both our...
  13. Re: Does Our Treatment of Animals Affect How We Treat Each Other?

    well good, I'm glad I could help refine your stance :)



    Based on my understanding and theories of reality, this is all that matters.



    I suppose in the context of this particular...
  14. Re: Does Our Treatment of Animals Affect How We Treat Each Other?

    Abhaya, I am glad you addressed this point and I think your conclusion is the best that we can do at this time. I have always been uncomfortable with the fact that we must kill at some level to exist...
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    thinking about it more and I felt like the "what about plants having rights then" argument was inevidable to follow. and rightfully so in many respects. But of course we have to kill to live on this...
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    great video akasha! i always loved the argument of severly mentally disabled people. How is it that society grants them unquestioned individual rights when animals which may actually pocess a higher...
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    F-15 goes down just outside of DC

    This litterally just popped up on RT no further details yet. Nothing on the "other msm" at all as of now.


    http://rt.com/usa/183168-f15-jet-crash-virginia/
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    Re: The Highly Sensitive Person Film

    Very cool. I hope it gets funded
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    Re: Taking the piss: Your own best medicine...

    Been doing ut without break since spring 2011 and a gallon a day distilled/urine, since oct 2012. I have not been sick once since that day in 2011. I saw my best friend cure a brutal out break of...
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    Re: obama green liights airstrikes in Iraq

    And not surprising this happens just as the cease fire lifts in gaza. Will be interesting to see if gaza becomes back page msn now......
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