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There are three sides to all truths..

Yours...

Mine...

And the truth.

We are stubborn mammals us humans...

i'm sorry then Enlightenment101.. but perhaps i say it that way...because this thread , i belive is not , about the validity of the information, as i mentioned.

And Ben has a right to be pissed...

Ben did NOT start this thread...his request has always been to NOT re open the discussion. Bill started the thread

Wise man once said to me...

Expectations lead to disappointments

i see no productivity resulting in pages and pages of opinions on whether or not the materiel is legit.

This thread is NOT about the legitimacy of the materiel. IMO

How incredibly unprofessional.

The mandate of both these forums should NEVER be public discussion IMO (doesnt mean to keep it secret)

The paragraph following, shows the "tactics" being used....