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  1. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    This is very descriptive but I'm still not sure why you think we should try to eradicate fear from the human experience essentially through government diktat. Fear of being exposed to the elements is...
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    If we unpack this first and we might get to the core of the disagreement. Taking the Socratic method, two questions for you:

    1) If humans were not meant to experience fear, then why are our bodies...
  3. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    The point is individual initiative and voluntariness. The monk himself decided on his task and challenge as well as on his means. The crowds at morning rush hour in the subway donít. Or do they? As...
  4. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    Exactly.

    http://www.purposetopower.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Good-Times-Bad-Times.jpg


    I once watched an interview with a Buddhist monk who had meditated alone in a mountain cave, living...
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    Tell me what you want to replace money with, because money is just a symbol representing an exchange of value. We used to barter directly with tobacco, cotton, gold, silver, etc. I assume you...
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    Maybe all forms of labor are too harsh and we deserve to be fed and given everything we want for free, full stop. Are there any possible reasons why that might conceivably be a bad idea?
    ...
  7. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    Almost every single person in the US and Canada has benefitted from the results of capitalism since it has been first implemented. Even considering the absolute poorest people in the US or Canada,...
  8. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    The industrial revolution in the 1800's took away millions of jobs too, and people just found new jobs.

    The idea is that people are doing useful things that they can then somehow exchange with...
  9. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    There are "successful" co-ops in my region too, but they're basically just off-the-grid communities that only have slightly more electricity than the Amish, and they are about as primitive as the...
  10. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    Starvation was actually a problem all over the world, a major recurring problem in every single major country, until capitalism began to be implemented in earnest in the late 1700s and early 1800s....
  11. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    My ancestors were poor too, though they literally had pots to pee in. They called them "slop jars" and that's where they peed and pooped when it was too cold to run to the outhouse, until indoor...
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    I find statements like this remarkable. I would wonder what people living in 3rd world countries would think of the lack of abundance here in the West, where we throw away 150,000 tons of food...
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    Maybe you donít want this, but transhumanists like Jeff Bezos do. Bill Gates has already admitted he wants to use vaccines to depopulate the Earth. Same agenda. Humans are too unruly, useless eaters...
  14. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    Where did I ever say I had one? :P

    All I can tell you is what hasn't worked in the past, and that all major religious and philosophical paradigms in the world agree that some form of suffering...
  15. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    Work is a form of action and responsibility. There is a certain satisfaction to work (or at least there should be) because it usually involves creation of some sort, an active molding of universal...
  16. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    I read what you were talking about. Check the examples I posted. You were talking about communities where people only do whatever work they feel is suited to them, correct?

    So the examples I...
  17. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    Yes, as in communism, which is what you are describing, and which has been tried many times and failed just as many.

    We had societies of volunteers attempting exactly what you describe in the...
  18. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    Money itself is not equivalent to the idea of debt slavery.

    Money was invented as a means of exchange for exchanging goods and services.

    If someone gives you "free money," what have you offered...
  19. Re: Finland abandons "free money" experiment

    You're right. There is no academic debate to be had. Economics is not such a new science that economists don't already understand the correlation between giving people "free money" and lack of...
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    Amazon's Jeff Bezos is sometimes in the news advocating "universal basic income" in the US, meaning giving away free money to people and hoping they'll work and be productive anyway. What a lot of...
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