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  1. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    The baby and the bathwater...

    You've heard the old saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!" There is something to be rejected, and something that is precious.

    The CONCEPT of...
  2. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    Well, I may be 'leading', but then, you seem to be ducking and obfuscating the issue. This is about the people standing up for ourselves, fighting for ourselves, and exploring the word "socialism"...
  3. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    Yeah, "the people" includes turds and gems and everything in between (most of whom are intellectually asleep), but... this doesn't mean that you do not recognize who the real enemy of mankind is,...
  4. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    ...what I'm trying to get to here is to recognize that, although the term "socialism" has been Orwellian-doublespeak flipped (it means "the people fighting for the people"), hopefully your underlying...
  5. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    "...some kind of socialist, in the purest possible original terms..."
    Exactly, Bill. And I know you and I are far from alone. There may be a few shills for the plutocrats here, and a few honestly...
  6. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    Resurrection of this topic, for a reason:

    A quick search on Avalon for the term "socialism" in posts brings up a large list of posts, 99.9% of which are misusing the word socialism to depict...
  7. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    Yes, when I write out my political thoughts, I usually avoid the poisoned word "socialism", and use "citizen-centric" to try to describe policy beneficial to the group. I think this thread...
  8. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    meh

    This feels like playing semantic games. Do you really not know what I'm talking about? (The biological drive of individuals toward group survival? The other direction of energy flow from the...
  9. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    Can you provide examples of that? (for example, why do you think Jaguars are socialist)?

    I do not see that as the case except perhaps with Ants/bees ("hive" living).

    If anything I see nature...
  10. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    No. It's not the opposite, it is the opposite direction of energy flow. […]

    How are we going to be able to discuss "political socialism" intelligently if we solely focuses on the one direction...
  11. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    No. It's not the opposite, it is the opposite direction of energy flow. Wind is wind whether it is blowing east or west. Some energy expended toward the individual benefits the group; some energy...
  12. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    By that definition, Trump, the Republithugs, the Demonrats and all the crony capitalists that infest politics could define themselves as Socialists, because everything they do is for their inner...
  13. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    Absolutely, that's why my preferred (non-existent, for the most part) way to comport a society is through volunteerism... much like we had in the early days of the USA (the first 100 years or so);...
  14. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    I did that though.

    It is immoral to steal, even if you vote to do it.


    That covers all the re-distribution / fair society ("socialism") concepts that I've ever heard of; no emotion either....
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    It is as if I asked for everyone's definition of "ocean", and the majority of the replies are "tsunami", and "shipwreck", and "waterspout." If the topic was "sex" some would jump to "rape!" If the...
  16. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    I suspect that for a lot of people - most especially US citizens - the questions I asked in the opening post are kind of a brain teaser. It is pretty obvious from the responses so far that there is...
  17. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    A question I'd love to "answer"/explore, but outside the scope of this thread. I'm actually excited about the prospect of having that discussion (which, I'll hint, for me includes and transcends...
  18. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    That's a 'hit piece.' Mr Microphone announces within 15 seconds it is an anti-socialism video. It adds nothing to the conversation, and neither would a pro-socialism biased piece. Unless you are Mr....
  19. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    Socialism is...

    Socialism: social ism:

    "-ism" is the word suffix indicating "belief in."

    social-ism is thus: the belief in "social."

    What is "social", what does it indicate? "Social"...
  20. Re: What is socialism? (your opinion, not the dictionary definition)

    I'm pretty sure you'll find that there is no consensus definition. If different individuals have strongly different ideas of what socialism is, "the point" of the discussion might just be to try to...
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