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    Default Re: Catalan Referendum: Catalonia has 'won right to statehood' but 'not seeking traumatic split'

    Quote Posted by pueblo (here)
    Quote Posted by sunwings (here)
    Catalans want to be ruled autonomously.
    You are saying above (in large bold, my emphasis) that a majority of Catalans want independence? Do you have anything to support that assertion?
    I'm not there myself, of course, but I was interested in your question, so I looked up the exact numbers. We can probably assume Wikipedia is accurate here.

    Yes . . . .2,044,038 . . . .92.01%
    No . . . . . . 177,547. . . . . 7.99%
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    Default Re: Catalan Referendum: Catalonia has 'won right to statehood' but 'not seeking traumatic split'

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    Quote Posted by pueblo (here)
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    Catalans want to be ruled autonomously.
    You are saying above (in large bold, my emphasis) that a majority of Catalans want independence? Do you have anything to support that assertion?

    I'm not there myself, of course, but I was interested in your question, so I looked up the exact numbers. We can probably assume Wikipedia is accurate here.

    Yes . . . .2,044,038 . . . .92.01%
    No . . . . . . 177,547. . . . . 7.99%
    Thanks for that Bill, I was aware of the result of that referendum, however only about 43% of the population voted in that referendum iirc, with plenty of credible allegations of double voting etc etc

    My understanding is that the separatists are far from a clear majority in Catalonia which is a huge issue for something like this.

    According to an El Pais poll back in 2017 barely a quarter of Catalonians wanted to continue with the separatists government's plan for independence.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1DR0XI

    Also, from the wiki article you quoted...

    "(Note: voters who were not willing to vote were primarily those opposed to independence and/or a referendum being held, so support for independence among those who were certain to vote was expected to be high.)[31]"
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    Default Re: Catalan Referendum: Catalonia has 'won right to statehood' but 'not seeking traumatic split'

    Please note hereunder from the same Wikipedia sourse that the exact total number of registered voters was 5.313.564. I always understood that 1 in 2 Catalans is not in favor of a secession, a situation which has caused very painful divides in society, families and marriages. Those not in favor probably did not go to vote in an illegal referendum. These figures also do not show what millions of Spaniards think of the secession movement.
    These are figures and do not express any personal opinion about the Catalan cause.


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    2017 Catalan independence referendum

    Do you want Catalonia to become an independent state in the form of a republic? ”
    Location Catalonia
    Date 1 October 2017
    Votes %
    Yes 2,044,038 92.01%
    No 177,547 7.99%
    Valid votes 2,221,585 97.17%
    Invalid or blank votes 64,632 2.83%
    Total votes 2,286,217 100.00%
    Registered voters/turnout 5,313,564 43.03%
    Source: Government of Catalonia[1]

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    The 2017 election results would be a good indicator. It is a slim majority but normally turnout is around 40%. A true referendum would draw a much larger crowd. Many more people on the fence are switching towards an independent Catalonia after these events. The referdum held in 2017 had 95% voting in favour of independence. It was more of a publicity stunt but the people mandated the politicians carry it out! Thus the shock and horror of the events which have followed.
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    These videos showing the Spanish Police returning from Catalonia to their home towns as Victors are very similar to 1945.

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    VOX the old Right-wing party of Franco has reemerged in the elections this week. They came third amazingly to the delight of all of Spain....

    Below is a map of the voting patterns for VOX throughout Spain.

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