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    The story of King Arthur and his knights may have been created

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    ‘Celtic Superhero’: King Arthur was actually created for 12th C Britons, study claims. © Csongor Döme / Getty Images

    King Arthur, the legendary monarch who rose to the throne by pulling his sword Excalibur out of a stone and ruled Britain with the help of the knights of the round table and the wizard Merlin may not have been real after all.

    Arthur's adventures have spawned countless books, and quite a few movies over the centuries; One of the most notable of these being Monty Python and the Holy Grail, which details how Arthur and his merry band of buffoons attempt to track down the goblet, battling the Knights of Ni, frenchmen and, of course, a killer rabbit in the process.

    That film is just as factual as the fabled King himself, according to Miles Russell, a Senior Lecturer in Roman and Prehistoric Archaeology at Bournemouth University (BU), who believes Arthur was a fictional 'Celtic Superhero' created in the 12th century.

    Russell came to the conclusion having forensically analysed a series of medieval texts, including A History of the Kings of Britain, written by Geoffrey of Monmouth in 1136, in which the first full account of King Arthur appears.

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    "Geoffrey's book itself derives from a series of myths, stories and bardic praise poems that go back to the first century BC, at a time just before Britain became part of the Roman Empire,"
    Russell said in a press release.

    "By studying the text with a forensic eye, isolating individual tales and characters, it is possible to identify where the story of King Arthur first came from."

    "When you start to look at King Arthur in detail you realise that he is an amalgam of at least five separate characters - he never existed as an independent person at all," Russell added.

    The five characters in question are Ambrosius Aurelianus who lived in the late 400s, Roman general Magnus Maximus, Roman emperor Constantine the Great and prehistoric warlords Arvirargus and Cassivellaunus.

    "Once you take all these elements of his story away, there's actually nothing left for Arthur," Russell said. "He's an echo of all these other individuals - what Geoffrey of Monmouth did was create a Celtic superhero for his times, a character for the Britons to celebrate, taken from all the best bits of those individuals who lived before."

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    In the contact notes of Edward Meier the ETs speak of king Arthur and Merlin and his girlfriend a plejaren woman named kerdwina ... She was the one who made the ray sword and gave it to Merlin who gave it to Arthur... the plejaren say arthur and his knights were blood thirsty barbarians , Kerdwina was angry with merlin and when he died she took back the sword and returned to the pleadies ...
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    I feel a strong need to challenge the views being put forward by the RT piece.

    Remember RT = Russia Today = mainstream media so take with a pinch of salt. Dr Miles Russell is clearly an erudite guy with a solid publication record, but denigrates and dismisses a whole body of research undertaken on the very real history of King Arthur in a few soundbites. So Arthur is merely a figment of the imagination merely because of the interpretations of a number of 12th century writings of Geoffrey of Monmouth, is that it?

    I am reminded of a memorable quote by Richard D Hall

    "All people in positions of power today are there because of what happened in the past. Often, events of the past did not happen the way they were reported, especially if a struggle was involved to garner their power. History is often falsified and events covered up in order that today's rulers can maintain their power base. This is true of recent history, dark age British history and even of pre-human (archeology)"

    Take a look at this compelling presentation describing the the electrum burial cross found by Richard Melbourne in 1990. In fact any of Rich D Hall's on hidden histories are well worth watching in their entirety in particular the ones that present evidence that Arthur was a very real Welsh king:



    What I like about historians like Alan Wilson is that they go off and do their own research and find new evidences, unhindered by the need to teach students, apply for grants or adhere to political correctness. They don't believe anything they see or hear they go out and find out for themselves.

    Without wishing to come across as chippy, Wales has always been a backwater and had this this discovery been made anywhere except Wales it would have been trumpeted far and wide and people would come from all over the world to see it. There are many important archaeological sites in Wales, few of which have been recognised let alone excavated.
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    I agree with happyuk's sentiments.

    A lot of effort has gone into burying the true history of Wales. Wilson & Blackett's research, and subsequent persecution by forces known, and un-known, attests to this. Richard D Hall's phrase, "forensic historians" hits the mark.

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    I agree with happyuk's sentiments.

    A lot of effort has gone into burying the true history of Wales. Wilson & Blackett's research, and subsequent persecution by forces known, and un-known, attests to this. Richard D Hall's phrase, "forensic historians" hits the mark.

    http://www.richplanet.net/rp_genre.p...8&part=1&gen=5
    What Russell is basically saying is that we should abandon an important part of Welsh history because it is fictional.

    If you can say that King Arthur is a fiction, you can also say all Welsh ancient history is founded on a fiction. He is proposing that all our ancient history be abandoned.

    Unbelievable and I strongly disagree.

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    Our very own Bill Ryan has ties in his bloodline to King Arthur, therefore protected by? this info is in my head from somewhere but can't nail it.

    I'm guessing from (Steve, Charles, Atticus)

    Anyway awesome movie. Really enjoyed it.

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    Oh no - another psi-op.

    If you were the Saxons, busy colonising and exterminating the old Romanised Celtic population, and you were very clever, you might create a psi-op to pacify your victims.

    It goes like this - the Celts are getting restive and threatening uprising. What story would pacify them? Create that Super Hero King - who will come back to save us. Great - but why has he not yet come? It's because we, the Celts, are not yet worthy of this great man and his wizard returning. So DO NOT resist, fight or hate. Accept your lot. Then work on making yourself more worthy, so eventually He will come..

    And for further guidance on not resisting evil, turning the other cheek, not being worthy etc, we have a lovely book for you.....
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    Baby Steps....this all sounds like another historical figure created to keep the masses in subjection, doesn't it?!!

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    Baby Steps....this all sounds like another historical figure created to keep the masses in subjection, doesn't it?!!
    One should never underestimate the power of stories

    There was once a chivalric order of knights in Lincolnshire that modelled themselves on the heroics of the Arthur legends. When King Edward III took a trip up North and met those knights, he was so inspired as to found 'The Order of the Garter'.
    Which is interesting because when you look into The Order of the Garter, you don't find much Arthurian legend stuff but more connections to Greek myths of Jason and the Argonauts (The Rosicrucian Enlightenment by Dame Francis Yates)

    I've also heard that the Arthur grail Legends are a retelling of Persian myths that the knights templar heard in their travels to Jerusalem. But again, once you realise the Persians were the descendants of Perseus, the Greek hero, then the Ancient Greek connection raises its head again.

    I like to think the Arthur legends are a composite of real Phoenician warriors mingling with the Welsh bards, druids and magicians of Wales and Northern Ireland, joining together to fight off Roman incursions. There's definitely a lot of lost history in that era. Whether Arthur turns out to be real or not, it won't take away the magic of the story and the influence that stories carried over the centuries.

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    Baby Steps....this all sounds like another historical figure created to keep the masses in subjection, doesn't it?!!
    One should never underestimate the power of stories

    [...]
    Right on!

    Check that other story which has subjugated Western "civilization" for over 2000 years: The So-called "Word Of God"
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    Quote Posted by happyuk (here)
    Quote Posted by The Crimson Horse Blanket (here)
    I agree with happyuk's sentiments.

    A lot of effort has gone into burying the true history of Wales. Wilson & Blackett's research, and subsequent persecution by forces known, and un-known, attests to this. Richard D Hall's phrase, "forensic historians" hits the mark.

    http://www.richplanet.net/rp_genre.p...8&part=1&gen=5
    What Russell is basically saying is that we should abandon an important part of Welsh history because it is fictional.

    If you can say that King Arthur is a fiction, you can also say all Welsh ancient history is founded on a fiction. He is proposing that all our ancient history be abandoned.

    Unbelievable and I strongly disagree.
    I have seen all the R D Hall videos about the Kings Arthur, (that's not a typo, there were two Arthurs ) and would highly recommend them, admittedly they are long & there is a lot of them, esp if you add in the assassination attempts on Wilson & Blackett.

    History was altered to give other legitimate claim to the throne, this runs to this day.

    There is a lot to the discoveries, a lost tribe of Israel, holy relics that may even include the Arc Of the Covenant, & these aren't baseless claims either, huge amounts of research & unexplained artifacts back a lot of it up...


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    Quote Posted by happyuk (here)
    I feel a strong need to challenge the views being put forward by the RT piece.

    Remember RT = Russia Today = mainstream media so take with a pinch of salt. Dr Miles Russell is clearly an erudite guy with a solid publication record, but denigrates and dismisses a whole body of research undertaken on the very real history of King Arthur in a few soundbites. So Arthur is merely a figment of the imagination merely because of the interpretations of a number of 12th century writings of Geoffrey of Monmouth, is that it?

    I am reminded of a memorable quote by Richard D Hall

    "All people in positions of power today are there because of what happened in the past. Often, events of the past did not happen the way they were reported, especially if a struggle was involved to garner their power. History is often falsified and events covered up in order that today's rulers can maintain their power base. This is true of recent history, dark age British history and even of pre-human (archeology)"

    Take a look at this compelling presentation describing the the electrum burial cross found by Richard Melbourne in 1990. In fact any of Rich D Hall's on hidden histories are well worth watching in their entirety in particular the ones that present evidence that Arthur was a very real Welsh king:



    What I like about historians like Alan Wilson is that they go off and do their own research and find new evidences, unhindered by the need to teach students, apply for grants or adhere to political correctness. They don't believe anything they see or hear they go out and find out for themselves.

    Without wishing to come across as chippy, Wales has always been a backwater and had this this discovery been made anywhere except Wales it would have been trumpeted far and wide and people would come from all over the world to see it. There are many important archaeological sites in Wales, few of which have been recognised let alone excavated.
    Couldn’t agree more! As soon as they wheel out these ‘experts’, I just know that the subject in hand will be rubbished/tweaked to some extent to fit a certain narrative.
    Some of these ‘experts’ are even ‘Professors’ – a huge red flag (for me).
    In particular, the UK’s Prof Brian Cox – a toothsome ‘hero’ wheeled out by the establishment to keep the (Astrophysical) subject well contained within the dogmatic dog-crate.
    Richard D Hall does a good job exposing him & others on Rich Planet:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17DCcGp4jCQ

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    Baby Steps....this all sounds like another historical figure created to keep the masses in subjection, doesn't it?!!
    One should never underestimate the power of stories

    [...]
    Right on!

    Check that other story which has subjugated Western "civilization" for over 2000 years: The So-called "Word Of God"
    Oh no Herve, don't get me started on Platos republic lol did you hear the one about Plethon, the orthodox patriarch of Byzantium Christianity teaching Platos principles to the feudal robber barons of medieval Italy, the D'este family and Medicis for instance, along with the secrets of theurgy and ceremonial magick to invoke the powers of the gods. Literally giving birth to what people these days describe as the current illuminati--the bloodline families who use the rothschilds and Jews as a shield to hide their nefarious activity behind.

    Peter Mark Adams book The game of Saturn certainly makes for an interesting read. I'd trace the architects of such a republic past Plato though, to the Minoan culture of Crete and their child sacrifice traditions in honour of the Minotaur (the city of Knossos being one of the epicentres of the gnostic cults). Legends that diffused across the Mediterranean and gave rise to the half man half bull lord of Babylon, Marduk. But that's getting way off topic from King Arthur's stories so I'll save that for another thread

    But subjugation is really the wrong word, I see the rise of Christianity as coinciding with the descent into the Kali Yuga age, (assuming one believes in the yuga cycles, which I do because it's the only theory that fits all the evidence). Christianity, if anything, helped steady the ship in an era when people were killing each other in the streets and drinking each other's blood (I.e. the salt wars--a lack of salt in the diet can disrupt a persons brain chemistry to the point that it makes them crazy, desperate and murderous), the Celtic druids were murdering each other over turf wars, the Chinese were fighting over feudal territories, and the Aztecs were sacrificing the populace en-masse.

    Christianity may have had its brutal subjugation phases but those were natural given the general climate and decline of society around the globe. If anything, if you read Frances Yates other books--'The Art of Memory', 'Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition'--people's attachment to the virtues and fear of the vices propagated by the Christian ideology actually kept the alchemical threads from the ancient world alive as all hell was erupting around them. Far too much nuance to that story to just write Christianity off as a production of Greek sodomite elitism imo.

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    Quote Posted by happyuk (here)
    Quote Posted by The Crimson Horse Blanket (here)
    I agree with happyuk's sentiments.

    A lot of effort has gone into burying the true history of Wales. Wilson & Blackett's research, and subsequent persecution by forces known, and un-known, attests to this. Richard D Hall's phrase, "forensic historians" hits the mark.

    http://www.richplanet.net/rp_genre.p...8&part=1&gen=5
    What Russell is basically saying is that we should abandon an important part of Welsh history because it is fictional.

    If you can say that King Arthur is a fiction, you can also say all Welsh ancient history is founded on a fiction. He is proposing that all our ancient history be abandoned.

    Unbelievable and I strongly disagree.
    Take heart - its a sign that the 'fiction' explanation they put forward is anything but. Today's 'experts'- especially those with letters before their names - are employed to keep knowledge within a certain 'consensus' narrative. Heaven forbid we should find out who we really are, or where we've come from!

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    Jayke....interesting "take" on Christianity! I come at the whole subject from an "experiencer" point of view; which is much different from just discussing opposing ideologies. I can look back over my lifetime within the system & that drove me to try to figure out what was wrong with the entire system as it didn't "work"! If I am to believe what I learn here on Avalon, killing humans & drinking their blood still goes on today...& not from a lack of salt! I don't pretend to be an "intellectual" of any kind...I just wanted to figure out why my entire life was ruined by a religious system. Thanks to Avalon I have found the answer & learned much more besides!

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    You know I would like to first off state that I hate almost all movies. And I know you wouldn't think so, but this latest King Arthur movie was really good.
    It incorporated seemingly certain elements GhostRider is talking about in his above statement, as well as incorporating certain ideologies in relation to what some around here know as the skinwalker ranch.
    The writing is quite good.
    I'm of the opinion that the writers knew and or know quite a bit of what we are talking about around here.


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    Peter Mark Adams book The game of Saturn certainly makes for an interesting read. I'd trace the architects of such a republic past Plato though, to the Minoan culture of Crete and their child sacrifice traditions in honour of the Minotaur (the city of Knossos being one of the epicentres of the gnostic cults). Legends that diffused across the Mediterranean and gave rise to the half man half bull lord of Babylon, Marduk. But that's getting way off topic from King Arthur's stories so I'll save that for another thread

    These practices seem to have continued right into our present day.
    The spirit cooking of the DC elite and Hollywood who fall right in step with one another.
    No doubt Stanley Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut" was going here before he was killed thus preventing him from finishing the movie and completing the explanation of what is going on.
    There is a Native American Navajo Chief by the name of Chief Manulito who lived in the late 1800's. He was on record as having captured and killed 4 Navajo Skinwalkers, something that is completely legal to do, even today on the Navajo reservation.
    When asked how he was able to "find" the skinwalkers he answered it was quite easy.
    Skinwalkers, who as a rule have to sacrifice a human being to gain favor with their dark forces, are noted now as gaining supernatural abilities of transmutation into the form of some kind of animal, usually a wolf. But this was not what Chief Manulito stated in the late 1800's. Skinwalkers can be noticed easily because of the wealth they have in the form of land, livestock and money. In short the most important aspect of attainment for a skinwalker isn't transmutation, it is wealth and power.
    This seemingly dove tails to what has been going on at Bohemian Grove for well over a century with their "mock" sacrifice done at the cremation of CARE.
    Molock having his roots in prehistory and thought by most to be the same thing as Baal and Saturn.

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    Jayke....interesting "take" on Christianity! I come at the whole subject from an "experiencer" point of view; which is much different from just discussing opposing ideologies. I can look back over my lifetime within the system & that drove me to try to figure out what was wrong with the entire system as it didn't "work"! If I am to believe what I learn here on Avalon, killing humans & drinking their blood still goes on today...& not from a lack of salt! I don't pretend to be an "intellectual" of any kind...I just wanted to figure out why my entire life was ruined by a religious system. Thanks to Avalon I have found the answer & learned much more besides!
    The Clare Graves system of character development is great for understanding organisational psychology. Religion comes about at the Graves level 4 (out of 8 levels in his system), level 3 is the stage where psychopaths go around dominating each other, starting wars and killing each other to satiate their primitive lusts and desires. Level 4 (the religious level) is required to teach people morals and bring the psychopaths into some sense of order. Unfortunately its a low level of order that's still subject and open to corruption.

    Humans don't take on a humanistic (non-murderess) mindset until they reach level 7 in the Graves system. Society at the moment is still struggling to make the leap between 6 and 7 (Avalon operates at level 7 and above, people from level 6 and below get booted off the forum pretty quick). It's only at level 7 do people start to shake off the dogmatic traditions from the past (before they reach level 7 on the character scale people are still learning to master their animal potential let alone master their humanistic potential).

    In her research, Frances Yates described the book of revelation as not a prophecy of a one time event to arrive in the future but more as a cyclic phenomena, an oscillation up and down through the various character levels over centuries. Which is basically just another version of the yuga cycles but from a gnostic tradition rather than Vedic.

    Religion is a relic of a backward society for sure, one that can cause more harm than good to those who are above level 4 in their own character development, and are being held back by the culture and society they're brought up in, but Religion is also an essential step in cultural evolution to turn primitive hunters into cultured civilians. So yeah, just because religion has been abused by the character level 5 and 6 types for their own power and pleasure respectively, doesn't mean it's all bad or all corrupt--like a butterfly that used to be a caterpillar, the caterpillar stage is an essential step in its development before it can grow a cocoon, break free from its shell, spread its wings and fly
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    Peter Mark Adams book The game of Saturn certainly makes for an interesting read. I'd trace the architects of such a republic past Plato though, to the Minoan culture of Crete and their child sacrifice traditions in honour of the Minotaur (the city of Knossos being one of the epicentres of the gnostic cults). Legends that diffused across the Mediterranean and gave rise to the half man half bull lord of Babylon, Marduk. But that's getting way off topic from King Arthur's stories so I'll save that for another thread

    These practices seem to have continued right into our present day.
    The spirit cooking of the DC elite and Hollywood who fall right in step with one another.
    No doubt Stanley Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut" was going here before he was killed thus preventing him from finishing the movie and completing the explanation of what is going on.
    There is a Native American Navajo Chief by the name of Chief Manulito who lived in the late 1800's. He was on record as having captured and killed 4 Navajo Skinwalkers, something that is completely legal to do, even today on the Navajo reservation.
    When asked how he was able to "find" the skinwalkers he answered it was quite easy.
    Skinwalkers, who as a rule have to sacrifice a human being to gain favor with their dark forces, are noted now as gaining supernatural abilities of transmutation into the form of some kind of animal, usually a wolf. But this was not what Chief Manulito stated in the late 1800's. Skinwalkers can be noticed easily because of the wealth they have in the form of land, livestock and money. In short the most important aspect of attainment for a skinwalker isn't transmutation, it is wealth and power.
    This seemingly dove tails to what has been going on at Bohemian Grove for well over a century with their "mock" sacrifice done at the cremation of CARE.
    Molock having his roots in prehistory and thought by most to be the same thing as Baal and Saturn.
    Moloch, that's the one I was thinking of, Marduk might be a wrong attribution but yeah it's all an offshoot of people who are between the 3-6 levels in the Graves system, they all seem to gravitate to the same black magic rituals which is why the great dark brotherhood can be perpetuated throughout the centuries.

    Kubrick was familiar with the Aldebrandinis, who are the descendants of Ptolemy, and take their name from the star Aldebaran, the brightest star in the Taurus constellation. Olympia Aldebrandini was noted for marrying one of the Rothschilds, keeping the bloodlines tightly interknit. Kubricks movie was said to be based on the orgies he witnessed at the Aldebaran estate in Italy.
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    Peter Mark Adams book The game of Saturn certainly makes for an interesting read. I'd trace the architects of such a republic past Plato though, to the Minoan culture of Crete and their child sacrifice traditions in honour of the Minotaur (the city of Knossos being one of the epicentres of the gnostic cults). Legends that diffused across the Mediterranean and gave rise to the half man half bull lord of Babylon, Marduk. But that's getting way off topic from King Arthur's stories so I'll save that for another thread

    These practices seem to have continued right into our present day.
    The spirit cooking of the DC elite and Hollywood who fall right in step with one another.
    No doubt Stanley Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut" was going here before he was killed thus preventing him from finishing the movie and completing the explanation of what is going on.
    There is a Native American Navajo Chief by the name of Chief Manulito who lived in the late 1800's. He was on record as having captured and killed 4 Navajo Skinwalkers, something that is completely legal to do, even today on the Navajo reservation.
    When asked how he was able to "find" the skinwalkers he answered it was quite easy.
    Skinwalkers, who as a rule have to sacrifice a human being to gain favor with their dark forces, are noted now as gaining supernatural abilities of transmutation into the form of some kind of animal, usually a wolf. But this was not what Chief Manulito stated in the late 1800's. Skinwalkers can be noticed easily because of the wealth they have in the form of land, livestock and money. In short the most important aspect of attainment for a skinwalker isn't transmutation, it is wealth and power.
    This seemingly dove tails to what has been going on at Bohemian Grove for well over a century with their "mock" sacrifice done at the cremation of CARE.
    Molock having his roots in prehistory and thought by most to be the same thing as Baal and Saturn.
    Moloch, that's the one I was thinking of, Marduk might be a wrong attribution but yeah it's all an offshoot of people who are between the 3-6 levels in the Graves system, they all seem to gravitate to the same black magic rituals which is why the great dark brotherhood can be perpetuated throughout the centuries.

    Kubrick was familiar with the Aldebrandinis, who are the descendants of Ptolemy, and take their name from the star Aldebaran, the brightest star in the Taurus constellation. Olympia Aldebrandini was noted for marrying one of the Rothschilds, keeping the bloodlines tightly interknit. Kubricks movie was said to be based on the orgies he witnessed at the Aldebaran estate in Italy.

    So these Aldebrandinis are related or are descendents some how of folks from the star Aldebaran?
    These are the same folks who were said to be in communication with Maria Orsic and the Vrill society?
    A society based on the idea of an energy known as Vrill which came off as Willheilm Riech's "Orgone" something that is associated with organic life and capable of powering such things as anti-gravity space ships.
    Edward Bulwer Lytton wrote the initial works on Vrill in his "the coming race".
    I've always felt the short lived TV show "The Event" was based on the idea of folks from Aldebaran.
    I was never aware there was any kind of relationship between the race from Aldebaran and the Rothschilds. Further more it is quite a blow to think folks from another planet would be practicing black magic.

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