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    Default Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

    Not sure this has been posted but the more I see of this the weirder it seems... Houses burnt to the ground but trees still standing.

    Video here... Worth watching.
    http://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-N...ta-Rosa-hotels

    The Hilton Sonoma Wine Country had extensive fire damage and is closed indefinitely," the hotel wrote in an Oct. 10 post on its Facebook page. "As of this evening, our staff has not been permitted to return to the property."
    Adjacent to that 13-acre property, the Fountaingrove Inn "fell victim to the devastating fire in Sonoma County, and guests were subsequently evacuated," wrote Justin Hayman, the hotel's general manager, on its website last week. "At this time, we are unable to conduct business in any capacity."
    Less than a mile away and just on the other side of Highway 101, the Best Western Plus Wine Country Inn & Suites was also shut down.
    "The hotel has suffered some damage but very minimal especially considering what our neighbors have endured," the hotel wrote in an Oct. 11 Facebook post. "As of right now, the hotel is obviously not open for guests. We are working on getting the hotel operational again as soon as possible. We will let you all know when we are open again."
    Other hotels in California's wine country closed because of loss of power or bad air quality from the smoke.

    More here... Surreal
    http://uk.businessinsider.com/santa-...7-10?r=US&IR=T

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    Default Re: Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

    Project Camelot shared this video yesterday on Facebook. About 20 mins. long, it talks about the strangeness of how things are burning.


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    Default Re: Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

    Bernie Krause, a well known and respected nature sound recordist and his wife lost their home and 2 cats and all belongings in Sonoma County a few days ago.

    As I understand the situation, the locals think it was the high winds that brought down trees on electricity cables that got it started. The Fire chiefs say it's a once in 2 careers fire they've never seen the like of before, massive.
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    Default Re: Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

    Are you thinking what I'm thinking LadyM?

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    Default Re: Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

    Thanks for posting, LadyM.....most of us wouldn't have realized otherwise. It's beginning to look like CA is not a good state to be living in right now.
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    Default Re: Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

    This is a map of the active fires in California as of yesterday. I was listening to Jeff Rense this morning and he said there are 600 people missing.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...ing/759038001/

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    Default Re: Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

    Quote Posted by KiwiElf (here)
    Are you thinking what I'm thinking LadyM?
    How could I not? Patrick Roddie (Stop Spraying Us) has posted some interesting stuff on his FB page about the fires, including the image below, from Oct. 11. His posts say it's more than wood smoke.

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    Default Re: Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

    I live, and have lived for 40 years, ten minutes drive from these fires and am not sure that the thread title is helpful. S.R. did not burn to the ground. Is it a BIG EVENT? Yes, and tragic in the way words cannot describe. We know (so far) four couples who were burned out and escaped in the middle of the night with the clothes on their backs. Also, having listened to the video posted, I am not sure it is a valid conjecture that other than normal circumstances were present. There are 3 factors in evaluating fire danger, fire load (stuff on the property that can burn) humidity, and wind, and all were present at the highest levels. I have fought fire in these conditions and even with considerable local knowledge it's hardly possible to understand the power of destruction when winds blow strongly and gust from 50 to 70 mph. Next time you are cruising down the freeway at 70 mph, stick your head out the window and imagine you are fire and wind....what will stand before you? Nothing can stand before that force and temperatures when they achieve blast furnace conditions. Fires like these take on an aliveness akin to a an elemental entity that rage as a wild beast. I don't wish to dramatize and it's certainly not necessary.

    However, I am very aware of Dr. Judy Wood and many good researchers, the Chemtrail spraying, the Harp machinations and current level of dark distortions going on. The four Elements are earth forces that have no negative agenda, but can be twisted by negative rituals which i am sure were enacted in this tragedy.
    There are those who are helping to hold the line with these elemental winds. The angelics are not allowed to stop the humans from their free will but are constantly guiding us into positive expression. Stay strong, hold love in your hearts.......that's the most powerful force in the universe.

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    Default Re: Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

    I live about 50 miles from the areas that are burning and just wanted to offer my observations.

    I am not convinced the fires were anything other than "natural" in terms of heat intensity. I am not a fire expert, but I know that fires burn quite a bit hotter when they have lots of oxygen to feed them. I'm not completely sure of the day, but I believe it was last Saturday evening (Oct. 7), when we had extremely and unusually high winds in the entire Bay Area, from San Francisco to Santa Rosa (north) to areas south of San Francisco and also east. A very large area. Two different people I spoke to the following Monday commented on how they had thought the roof might fly off the house, or they might find themselves flying off to Oz like Dorothy. Those kinds of winds are not very common around here, but are a natural part of the ecology and are called "Diablo Winds," similar to the Santa Ana winds in Southern California. Wildfire is also part of the ecology in California. (Even before massive human settlement in California, there have been wildfires here.)

    What I know, from the little bit of news I have heard or read, is that this situation was particularly difficult for several reasons: 1) super high winds made planes unable to fly low to drop water or fire retardant, so the fires spread unchecked for a while, 2) those high winds create a tremendous amount of oxygen for the fire to burn hotter, which can cause what is called a firestorm, where the fire itself creates its own wind and increases the intensity of the heat of the fire even more. 3) the fires broke out in several different places more or less simultaneously, and firefighters focused their initial efforts on rescuing people from burning structures rather than trying to actually put out the fires. Perhaps the longer they burn unchecked, the hotter they get. 4) firefighters who work with wildfires are trained differently than firefighters who are trained to put out structural fires. These fires included both massive wildfire damage as well as structural damage. Since these are different areas of expertise maybe this was a factor in various instances? I'm guessing here. 5) The pool of firefighters is limited, whether for structural of wildfire. I heard on the radio today someone say that some firefighters have been working for 60 hours straight and some are finally taking a break.

    As far as air quality, it has been pretty bad at times, even 50 miles away, but it doesn't smell like anything other than wood smoke. I went out one morning (I think it was Sunday) and the air was so bad, it was just like walking into a room where someone had lit a fire in the fireplace and forgotten to open the flue. In the evening when the sun sets, the sky and all the light is sometimes a very deep orange, sometimes only a little yellowish, depending on the direction the wind is blowing. I have lived in the Bay Area for more than 50 years and I have never experienced this kind of effect from fires at such a distance.

    The point of my post, though I have been rambling a bit, is to say that I don't necessarily think the fires themselves were technologically set, other than maybe by downed power lines. And I think it may be possible for wildfires to burn that hot naturally, given the optimal circumstances. It would be interesting to hear from someone trained in real fire science. I have a niece who dated a fireman for a while and fire science is absolutely fascinating. Apparently many firemen experience and deal with fire as if it is a living being. They are dealing with not just the science of fire, but its spirit as well. Not something you read about in the MSM!

    What is interesting to me is the multiplicity of fires happening all at the same time, which exhausts all firefighting defensive capabilities quite quickly. Is there something nefarious here, or was that just a fluke of nature?

    And, as always, follow the money. These fires may have a huge impact on the economy of the state including the wine industry, the homeowner's insurance industry, etc. Is there someone who benefits from this economic devastation?

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    I'm very nearby too and am not forming any nefarious conjectures about anything yet. This is a 3 and nearly 4 county collection of various fires with numerous pockets joining together and hardly contained at all still. The Sonoma census states 183,000 housing units, 48,000 in Napa, and so far 5,700 structures have burned down in both Napa and Sonoma (mostly homes), not just Santa Rosa and hardly all of it (please change the totally misleading title of this thread).

    I will only say that so far it appears to me that the Sunday night 40-60mph winds were grossly underestimated, the fire not attacked vigorously enough where it started and it quickly way outflanked their ability to stay organized. The only really inept thing to me so far is whoever decided not to send cell phone alarms out "to not panic people and keep streets clear for firemen" causing 1000's to literally barely escape at 3am in their pajamas.

    I am, however, really rethinking all the various 'we create our own reality' philosophies from purely esoteric to the very convincing Tom Campbell physics of it. Problem is, if you buy any of them you have to account for 'reality creation' like this of 5,000 completely different entire families all deciding at the exact same moment to burn everything they own at 3am and completely shatter their lives. This goes for any shared disaster. It unfortunately lends more weight to the 'ai and video controllers' philosophies, right? or what?

    Everyone here now with loss or not has a changed world for life in many ways that will prompt much new give and take, many new interactions, friends and love, and countless things of every kind that would not have happened otherwise. For now though there's lots of people in totally disoriented hell and discomfort and my heart goes out to them all with wishes for a speedy journey to their next more settled reality.

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    [URL=http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Live-updates-35-dead-NorCal-fires-5700-destroyed-12277244.php[/URL]

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    I concur with ErtheVessel commentary on the fires here in Santa Rosa. 2800 family homes within the city limits have burned to the ground leaving little residue except for the occasional fireplace left standing. I made the mistake of going out to the grocery store in the smoke haze and it made me vomit and feel poorly until breathing filtered air conditioned air for 30 minutes whilst in the grocery store. I shall not venture out again and tell everyone to stay inside the building.
    Its now Friday night and the city is still in heavy smoke. More high wind gusts are forecast for tonight. So keep good thoughts for everyone in the Bay Area. Thanks!

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    Roddie at Stop Spraying Us, I believe, spotted EMF in the satellite imagery. Though I can't find it now, someone commented on Roddie's FB page about aerosol plumes containing some chemical that makes the air more dry, more conducive to fires.

    Yesterday, GeoEngineeringWatch published a video about the fires, which I plan to watch tonight. It's about 11 mins. long.



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    I am, however, really rethinking all the various 'we create our own reality' philosophies from purely esoteric to the very convincing Tom Campbell physics of it. Problem is, if you buy any of them you have to account for 'reality creation' like this of 5,000 completely different entire families all deciding at the exact same moment to burn everything they own at 3am and completely shatter their lives. This goes for any shared disaster. It unfortunately lends more weight to the 'ai and video controllers' philosophies, right? or what?
    I understand your confusion on what part we play in creating/co-creating this reality, especially disasters like hurricanes and fire storms. I am there too. I think Campbell might be onto something when he theorizes that we co-create via our collective focused intent. With disasters, because we can watch them unfold live on TV or from our Internet devices, maybe we need to be more "mindful" of how we focus on them. If the majority of the collective is focusing on a disaster with expectation, fear, and anxiety, well it could be that majority just stabilized the probability of the disaster striking. And yes, I have also thought about how disasters like these could be part of a program (i.e., AI, cosmic quantum computer, etc.), though perhaps the program requires our consciousness to run and whatever created the program designed it in such way to trick us at every turn.

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    I'm so sad to see this happening...I'm in Scotland right now, so information is quite limited compared to the states. After I graduated from high school my family moved to Napa as that's where my father always wanted to retire. He has since passed away but my mother still resides in their home. Due to the smoke, she headed south a few hours away to stay with another family member.

    I was just there in early September to show my in-laws the beautiful wine country. So glad they got to see it all before everything burned. We went around the whole region, Napa, Sonoma, and Calistoga.....I cannot believe the entire town of Calistoga has been evacuated. High winds are not the norm in this area, so with this kind of component, you quickly understand how embers jump from house to house and how people were caught off guard. I will try and post my pics so u can see the lay of the land, but won't have time for several hours. I'm on a tablet which might make it difficult, so if that's the case, I'll do it when I get home.
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    Quote Posted by LadyM (here)
    Project Camelot shared this video yesterday on Facebook. About 20 mins. long, it talks about the strangeness of how things are burning.

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    Well I had hoped to post more photos but they're too large for Avalon's system and I don't know how to minimize from my tablet so I can upload. I did manage to get one photo from my collection...it's the backside of Mondavi Vineyard. The winery lies on the west side of Hwy 29 which pretty much runs North/South. Sonoma lies on the backside of that range. Not sure yet, but the Sonoma fire may very well have come over the top of that ridge. So imagine as your driving on Hwy 29 you have wineries for miles on the left side and wineries on the right side of the valley floor. The left side is flanked with the mountain range you see in the photo. On the right side, looking East, you'll see a similar range off in the distance which is where the Atlas Peak fire can be found. If you keep heading North on Hwy 29, you'll run into the town of Calistoga and if I understand correctly the fire is coming from the North, so it's behind the city.
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    Default Re: Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

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    Well I had hoped to post more photos but they're too large for Avalon's system and I don't know how to minimize from my tablet so I can upload. I did manage to get one photo from my collection...it's the backside of Mondavi Vineyard. The winery lies on the west side of Hwy 29 which pretty much runs North/South. Sonoma lies on the backside of that range.
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    Default Re: Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

    After watching Dutchsinse today it would seem the ionespheric heaters around the globe might have something to do with the weirdness of the fires that have been happening worldwide. The odd "spiral" coming from Antartica is something we don't understand either. Do any of our scientific buddies have a clue about that?

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    Default Re: Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

    I love Northern Cali so, this is in no way to sound flippant about a serious thing like this, just my weird thoughts after I first saw the unnaturally horrific before-and-after-images of the damage by the fire, I was absolutely stunned, and could only think to myself: Never get 'anything', for your house that says ''fire retardant''.

    PS. I really appreciate everyone who has shared their own first-hand observations of what is really going on locally over there! So much more interesting than propaganda/news. Thank you! Keep us informed and stay safe
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    Default Re: Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

    Excerpts from Joseph Farrell: THE CALIFORNIA FIRES AND THE POWER GRID & Trees Burning From the Inside Out.


    Weather weapons work by using multiple transmitters to create a collision zone where differently phased EM waves cancel each other out, and drop their electrical potential into the air (which is a semiconductor) where they cancel. This is the equivalent of biasing a transistor. Semiconductors won't simply break down and start conducting just because a bias field is applied, in order for them to conduct in a controlled fashion they need a doping agent. In silicon the doping agents are arsenic and boron. In air, the doping agent is most likely whatever is in the chem trails. The ionosphere is the power supply, and earth is "ground". Everything in between the ionosphere and the ground will heat up.

    If enough voltage is applied to a semiconductor, it will suddenly discharge it in one big burst. This is seen in the air as lightning. The weather/geoengineering systems try to avoid this. But this time around, in California, the effects of excess voltage were readily observed by MANY MANY people, and it manifested itself in more than one way.

    the effects of the system in use were easily observed.

    1. Some people got heart palpitations from having their bodies charged.

    2. MANY MANY people saw electrical flashes that made no thunder in perfectly clear blue sky, and worse, some people even saw small blue sparks everywhere in the air around them.

    3. MOST DAMNING: People are reporting that their electronics malfunctioned before the fires hit, with the most pronounced and spoken about malfunction being at a hotel (The silverado resort and spa), where ALL of the electrical systems in the hotel malfunctioned, including the electronic access doors, forcing people to jump from windows (because they could not leave their rooms) to escape an approaching fire that instantly appeared out of nowhere in perfect weather.

    It is very important to make note of the malfunctioning doors, because a simple power outage will not stop those from working. Something jammed the circuits in the doors. Simultaneously the hotel lost main power, generator backup, UPS backup, and local battery backup. Not even the always operational emergency hall lights worked. . That would be totally consistent with a massively potent EM weapon causing complete electronic malfunction because not even the circuits in the emergency backup lighting that turn it on (which operate independent of everything off of a small battery right in the light itself), not even circuits at that small level worked.

    Complete article: https://gizadeathstar.com/2017/10/st...ifornia-fires/
    Blessed are the cracked, for they are the ones who let in the light!

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    Default Re: Deadly, unusual wildfires in California as well as worldwide

    Thank you Ba-ba-ra. When I read the high wind theories, it didn't make sense about the trees not burning. With high winds, they would be MORE likely to catch on fire.

    Something is definitely NOT normal here.

    Not all the anomalies can be passed off by high winds.

    Also, one more thing about perspective:
    While people are in different locations, even observing one central spot from different viewpoints, there are different visual and sensory perceptions. Again, in different locations, different conditions are evident. So one reporting from their location, or viewpoint, cannot consider the data collected by another.

    The eye witness data needs to be combined; not discredited or explained away if coming from a different perspective. ALL perspectives need to be taken into account-not just one individual perspective.

    Listening to and heeding warnings would be advisable. Deeper study and asking these questions is imperative to the awareness that is growing.

    I'm more alert now because of the information shared here.

    Thank you so much,
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