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    Default Ancient Rutted Cart Tracks in Phrygia, Turkey

    Cart Ruts (cart tracks) or the old roads of a very old mode of transportation can be found in the Phrygia Valley in Turkey.

    People suggest that these are vehicle tracks made by Phrygian carts (wheeled or sleds) or chariots. Alexander Koltypin has controversially suggested vehicles but made millions of years ago.




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    Default Re: Ancient Rutted Cart Tracks in Phrygia, Turkey

    Interesting Find!

    I tend to be highly suspicious of "geological dating" when things like these cart tracks ( ruts) or even dinosaur tracks with clearly and obviously human footprints along side them...is it not possible with all the megaliths all over the world showing highly unusual rock joining techniques that on "occasion" rock is actually of "mud like" consistency and easily formed or imprinted upon?

    (It has been suggested that some plants can accomplish this)

    I don't think it would be magma or lava levels of heat but something else perhaps.

    Seem to be in Malta and Gozo as well.... http://www.cartrutsmalta.com/
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    Default Re: Ancient Rutted Cart Tracks in Phrygia, Turkey

    Quick note:

    I find it funny when we relate ancient things to how we do things today.

    Why MUST it be from a wheel or cart, can it be something totally different and not part of our paradigm?
    I get frustrated when we apply our science to things that happened too long ago, I think it limits the possibilities of finding out what this really is.

    Just a thought...

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    Default Re: Ancient Rutted Cart Tracks in Phrygia, Turkey

    Really interesting find. Their condition is much superior to the Malta cart ruts, also very interesting but not quite so convincing that they really are the tracks of ancient vehicles, as they are not so neat and uniform, and in some instances the tracks lead right over the edge of a cliff.

    But these really do look as though a wheeled vehicle of some kind cut across this once soft ground, long ago. I was searching all the images looking for the tell-tale pattern of tyre tread or something like it - that would be almost a slam dunk! but I couldn't see any.

    What type of vehicle this was, one cannot possibly speculate. Nor which ancient people were responsible. They would seem to pre-date anything on record. And unless there's some unknown geologic process at work that would make the marks deeper and wider over time, you'd have to say they were made by a fairly large, heavy vehicle, almost like a monster truck in some cases. It doesn't look like they could've been made by horse drawn carts.
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    Default Re: Ancient Rutted Cart Tracks in Phrygia, Turkey

    Quote Posted by Star Mariner (here)
    I was searching all the images looking for the tell-tale pattern of tyre tread or something like it - that would be almost a slam dunk! but I couldn't see any.
    Well, no tires! Might be plain wooden wheel rims, or maybe solid wheels. But some have suggested these are sled tracks, with no wheels involved at all.





    For more on the fairly similar Malta tracks, see this other fascinating thread:

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    Default Re: Ancient Rutted Cart Tracks in Phrygia, Turkey

    Quote Posted by Lovespot (here)
    Quick note:

    I find it funny when we relate ancient things to how we do things today.

    Why MUST it be from a wheel or cart, can it be something totally different and not part of our paradigm?
    I get frustrated when we apply our science to things that happened too long ago, I think it limits the possibilities of finding out what this really is.

    Just a thought...
    perhaps diverting water was more important to those ancient peoples? Any other idea what they would be used for?

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    Default Re: Ancient Rutted Cart Tracks in Phrygia, Turkey

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    Quote Posted by Lovespot (here)
    Quick note:

    I find it funny when we relate ancient things to how we do things today.

    Why MUST it be from a wheel or cart, can it be something totally different and not part of our paradigm?
    I get frustrated when we apply our science to things that happened too long ago, I think it limits the possibilities of finding out what this really is.

    Just a thought...
    perhaps diverting water was more important to those ancient peoples? Any other idea what they would be used for?
    There is a hearsay ; entering rough earth atmosphere caused Malfunctioned craft and someone tried to survive for a certain time. Neighbor area has very interesting other findings.
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    Default Re: Ancient Rutted Cart Tracks in Phrygia, Turkey

    Michael Cremo makes a good point in his book on forbidde4n archaelogy that modern science has unjustifiably shoehorned modern views through faulty and selective evolutionary theory that says humanity has only been around for a couple of hundred thousand years. Cremo points out that much evidence showing humans have been here for a lot longer has been either ignored or confiscated and 'lost' (ie. see smithsonian). Look at Klaus Donna's Out Of Place artifacts to see some of this evidence, which is completely ignored by mainstream academia. Recent cracks in the current narrative have hit the msm through discoveries in morroco that show homo sapiens are atleast several hundred thousand years older than previously thought, and that humans have been in north america atleast a hundred thousand years longer than thought. Also note another thread just started shows human type teeth found in germany that is thought to be over 9 million years old.

    Blavatsky states in the secret doctrine that humans have been here over 16 million years. OOP artifacts show advanced pottery and tools much older, however. So it is quite possible human type creatures have been here for eons.

    These tracks just verify that something was going on way back then, and that is wonderous. For instance, if these tracks were made by sleds, a reasonable conclusion, what was their means of propulsion? No animal tracks are evident for towing. What was the energy source? Why so many tracks going in so many directions?

    These artifacts are likely linked to the cave cities that permeate anatolia. Cave cities that are so badly eroded that they must be of a similar age. Mainstream academia ignores the erosion that geologists cant. Even looking at Petra in jordan, when 90% of the ruins are buried under rubble, the ruins speak of multiple occupiers and a very distant past.

    Interesting stuff. I would just love to know the truth about these ancient histories, wouldnt you?
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    Default Re: Ancient Rutted Cart Tracks in Phrygia, Turkey

    I would like to KNOW.......but I am restricted in my acceptance of current academic dogma......they do not have answers and suppress anything outside of their own fragile ( and quite frankly, unsustainable) worldview. I know this as an Anthropology Major. They DESPISE anything outside of the box of their own constructed "facts"

    I do not accept current geological dating. IE: The grand Canyon took millions of years to form...I expect it took less than an hour.

    How so ? Plasma Cosmology ( Electric Universe compatible) illustrates that mountains and massive canyons can be formed rapidly with plasma discharges from solar bodies with differential charges coming into close proximity........these ruts could be miniature expressions of the same phenomena. Do we have any views from above?

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    Default Re: Ancient Rutted Cart Tracks in Phrygia, Turkey

    Quote Posted by Justplain (here)
    For instance, if these tracks were made by sleds, a reasonable conclusion, what was their means of propulsion? No animal tracks are evident for towing. What was the energy source? Why so many tracks going in so many directions?
    I wondered the same thing after I considered the possibility - as Bill suggested - that the tracks were created by sleds. It may still be the case, but I have doubts due to the sheer size and depth of some of those tracks. This below pic shows a track almost as big as this person:



    If these were created by a large, heavy sled, it would have to be travelling on pretty wide runners. That's not a very smart design for a sled.

    Sharp and narrow is best for efficiency - that's even for ice, let alone mud. What's more, as you point out, there should be a trail of hooves or other such marks to indicate these vehicles were hauled by animals. But nada.
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    Default Re: Ancient Rutted Cart Tracks in Phrygia, Turkey

    These look permaculture 'swales' to me. Swales are used for diverting precious water or the capturing and harvesting of water. Perhaps these ancient ruts could also have been used for aquaculture?


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