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    Quote Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    ... including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns going back to 2014...
    haha You've gotta watch out quoting back Alex Jones without using quotation marks.
    There are probably quite a few atheists on this forum that wouldn't like being called
    "dirt bag" - especially by a selfish pseudo-Christian who is brainwashed against atheism.

    Yeah that's the trouble with copying direct quotes sometimes , I recently
    watched the BBC TV mini series 'Gunpowder' and plague on all religious zealots.

    I have no problem with any ones spiritual views as long as they are
    kept for personal and peacefull solace and shared responsibly.




    Thinking about it Alex has got more religious lately maybe as he is getting older ?
    But he does have a tendency of calling everyone "scumbags" sooner or later
    which I have tuned out of when listening to him " New World Order scumbags".etc.

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    Strong views and language...

    Texas Church Massacre: What They're NOT Telling You
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LryQey8mdu0
    Published on 6 Nov 2017
    Paul Joseph Watson gives his trademark take on the Sutherland
    Springs Church shooting deep in the heart of Texas.


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    #TexasChurchMassacre: Motivation's Irrelevant But Don't Rule Out #MKUltra and #SSRIs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSnsZTFCt4E
    Published on 6 Nov 2017
    The deadliest shooting in Texas history could have claimed even more lives if it
    weren't for a local resident who confronted the gunman, and another man who
    joined him to chase down the shooter, authorities say.

    Stephen Willeford lives next to First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs. After
    Devin Patrick Kelley opened fire inside the church on Sunday, Willeford heard the
    commotion, grabbed his own gun, ran out of his house barefoot and confronted the gunman.

    "He said he was loading the magazine as fast as he could, he didn't even know how
    many rounds he had put in the magazine," said Willeford's cousin, Ken Leonard,
    during an interview with CNN's Brooke Baldwin.

    "What do you say to the man who stepped up when he heard the gunshots? I'd say
    he's a hero," Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt Jr. told CNN's Chris Cuomo on
    Monday. "I don't think there's any question about that. Had he not done what he
    did, we could have lost more people." Twenty-six people at the church were slain,
    and 20 were injured.

    Leonard said his cousin shot Kelley in the side and twice in the neck.
    "He saw that the guy was wearing body armor, and there was a velcro strap, from
    the back to the front," explained Leonard, speaking live on Monday. "He knew from
    that ... that the vulnerable spot was going to be in the side. And so that's where he
    shot him."

    Leonard added that the shooter carjacked a nearby vehicle and engaged his cousin
    in a firefight. "As he was doing that, (my cousin) shot him again, in the neck."

    Willeford shot at Kelley before the gunman sped away in a pearl-colored Ford
    Explorer. Willeford then hailed a man across the street and got in his truck, telling
    him to chase down Kelley. "I had to catch the guy," the motorist, Johnnie
    Langendorff told CNN on Monday. "I had to make sure he was caught and at that
    point the gentleman riding with me said you may have to use your truck to get him
    off the road and there was no hesitation. It was do everything necessary to make
    sure that this guy is stopped." At a news conference Sunday night, investigators
    offered a timeline of the attack at the church and described the role Willeford
    played.The gunman entered the small church in the rural town east of San Antonio,
    firing with a rifle at the congregation attending the morning service.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/texa...

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    Tucker Carlson REACTS To The Mass Shooting In Texas
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM65DTJeYfs
    Published on 6 Nov 2017
    Watch Tucker Carlson's Reaction To the mass shooting in Texas.

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    'He saw me and I saw him' Stephen Willeford's Intense Interview After Shooting.



    Published on 6 Nov 2017
    Stephen Willeford, The man who saved lives while firing at the Texas Church
    Shooter in Sutherland Springs, Texas.
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    This is unusual in these cases as far as I know which proves the authenticity
    of this event....NRA member and former firearms instructor powerfull testimony..

    While in pursuit of suspect Stephen checked his magazine and realised he only
    had two rounds in his gun and still carried on the chase and confronted the
    suspect after he had crashed in the ditch , brave man.

    He admits he feels in shock and this interview seems a bit like the beginning
    of a therapy session which is understandable.

    EXCLUSIVE: Texas Massacre Hero, Stephen Willeford,
    Describes Stopping Gunman | Louder With Crowder



    Published on 6 Nov 2017
    An exclusive interview with Stephen Willeford, the hero who ended the killing spree in
    Sutherland Springs, Texas. Stephen recounts the actions that lead him to confronting
    Devin Patrick Kelley outside First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs.


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    This is sad but does show the inside of the church and the community spirit shattered by Devin Kelley

    Texas Pastor Talks About Daughter Killed in Church Shooting During Sermon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDxT7_KMtCE
    Published on 6 Nov 2017
    First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Texas Last Sermon Video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHw_QeZqHxs
    Published on 5 Nov 2017
    First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, Texas Last Sermon Video
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    Default Re: Mass shooting in Texas Church, 26 dead

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    ... including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns going back to 2014...
    haha You've gotta watch out quoting back Alex Jones without using quotation marks. There are probably quite a few atheists on this forum that wouldn't like being called "dirt bag" - especially by a selfish pseudo-Christian who is brainwashed against atheism.
    Here's a quote from Alex Jones from today's show — with quotation marks, too:

    "A lot of nice people are atheists, a lot of intellectuals, a lot of folks that don’t like fake churches and fake religion."

    Alex's description of Kelley as a "dirt bag" might have been more than entirely reasonable (and maybe just a little mild), considering that he cold-bloodedly murdered 26 people, including tiny children and senior citizens.

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    Default Re: Mass shooting in Texas Church, 26 dead

    I watched the heartbreaking video of Stephen Willeford, it is wonderful that there are honest, loving and law-abiding folk still being enabled to activate when necessary, to defend innocence, and stuff politicisation, this was a mentally ill man taken down by a caring local, so stop making it into something it should not be, or exacerbating for political profit.
    The love you withhold is the pain that you carry
    and er..
    "Chariots of the Globs" (apols to Fat Freddy's Cat)

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    One major observation of this event compared to others is how transparent
    it has been. The police are still holding back personal information of the victims
    until formalities are cleared. It maybe the nature of the rural small town community
    and the fact Stephen Willeford did a comprehensive uncensored interview on the
    web , also Rob Dew of Info wars was on the scene reporting live early , and to be
    fair mainstream did play their part that fears of a cover up has been diminished
    unless something comes out of left field . A far cry from LV etc. Though anti gun
    and other agendas are being spouted...

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    Survivors describe Texas church massacre


    Published on 7 Nov 2017
    Rosa Solis said the suspect told congregants, "Everybody dies," and the
    neighbor, Stephen Willeford, who shot at the suspect after he left the
    church said he wish he "could have gotten there faster

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    Texas officials: Shooting not motivated by religious beliefs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBt7Ps1asm4
    Published on 7 Nov 2017
    Texas Department of Public Safety's Freeman Martin answers questions submitted
    by the media on the investigation into the church massacre.

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    Texas church gunman previously cited for animal cruelty
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7XnZNqIWDY
    Published on 7 Nov 2017
    Four different witnesses told deputies in Colorado Springs that they saw Devin
    Kelley beating his dog while screaming at it, even as the dog cried.

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    Texas Shooting: Her 8 neighbours went to church - none came home - BBC News
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JclLGCOnfAo
    Published on 7 Nov 2017
    Eight members of one family are feared dead in the Texas church shooting. The
    Holcombes' neighbour, Pauline Garza, tells the BBC she doesn't know what to tell
    her children.

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    Families reflect on losing loved ones in Texas shooting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o_KcOe5BYM
    Published on 6 Nov 2017
    Bryan Llenas has more on the victims.
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    Quote unless something comes out of left field
    What was I saying about left field ....Now medication will come into it for sure.
    This has come up over the past few days whether the suspect was on meds
    or not which is a feature of many previous shootings.

    He had a violent nature to his family and animals and to cold bloodedly murder
    many children in the church is the mark of a 'sick' human however you look at it..



    Texas shooting: Gunman had briefly 'escaped mental hospital'
    22 minutes ago
    From the section US & Canada

    The gunman who killed 26 churchgoers in Texas escaped a mental health clinic in
    2012, according to a police report.El Paso officers who detained Devin Kelley were
    told he was "a danger to himself and others".

    Kelley had been sent to the hospital after he was court-martialled for assaulting his
    ex-wife and stepson during his stint in the US Air Force.He was "attempting to carry
    out death threats" against "his military chain of command", the report states.

    Officials say the assault should have legally barred him from owning guns.

    El Paso police arrested Kelley at a bus terminal in downtown El Paso on the evening
    of 7 June 2012, according to a police report first revealed by KPRC in Houston.

    In the report, police wrote that Kelley had escaped from Peak Behavioral Health
    Services in Santa Teresa, New Mexico, about 100 miles (160km) away.The person
    who reported him missing from the facility told police Kelley "suffered from mental
    disorders".

    Kelley "had already been caught sneaking firearms onto Holloman Air Force Base",
    the report adds.Later that year, Kelley pleaded guilty in a military court to
    repeatedly assaulting his wife and his toddler stepson.

    He was sentenced to one year in a US Navy prison.

    FBI investigators said on Tuesday they have been trying to unlock Kelley's mobile
    phone, to better understand what led him to carry out the mass shooting.Survivors
    have been describing how Kelley went pew to pew in the church shooting crying
    children at point blank range.

    read more...
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41907943

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    Texas Church Gunman Devin Kelley Escaped Mental Health Facility In 2012 | MSNBC
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4fFtI7QXMA
    Published on 7 Nov 2017
    A police report says the Texas church gunman escaped from a mental health facility
    in 2012. NBC's Pete Williams report.
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    Default Re: Mass shooting in Texas Church, 26 dead

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by raregem (here)
    Re: Bill's post the day after ANTIFA.....that crossed my mind, too. Also, November 5 is Guy Fawkes day. More pieces to think about in the grand scheme.
    The 4 November ANTIFA declaration was never intended to be just one day. It was to be the start of a campaign that'd be ongoing for as long as would be needed.

    ANTIFA and Anonymous, have ebbed this up as well, trying to brainwash citizens into viewing the middle class, the "patriots", the Republicans, the Christians, as fascists. It would not surprise me if the Texas Church shooter was worked up over the November 4, 5....call to harm "patriots and Trump-supporters". Promoting of anarchy is typically very unhealthy. The amount of Cyberterrorism going on cannot be healthy for the young mind, and the building of a sensible lawful foundation. While I was growing up there was no Internet, and when a terrorist hijacked the T.V. station airwaves while I was watching the news, it was much more obvious.

    Although I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, there are now news articles coming out about the shooters violent background which seem like should have excluded the shooter from being able to get a gun at all.


    Similar to ANTIFA and Anoonymous, and I believe, a part of the same Groups is Calexit which is promoting similar inhospitable views and behavior toward the California middle class. The founder states in another article that he had thought of naming the group, Leave California. A group name which has always been forward about their desire to claim California as their own is La Raza. FOX interview with CalExit leader Shankor Singam: http://video.foxnews.com/v/552844267...#sp=show-clips

    The scary "impossible" is being brought into reality in very controlling/manipulative ways. It takes years of effort behind the scenes to rally enough support to get a movement going. Therefore, by the time you hear about a movement, it may have been going on for a very long time, perhaps by a different name, or a group of names, now gathered together.

    In addition, the Yes California and CalExit movement hopes to capitalize on those same ANTIFA and Anonymous members/covert supporters, while simultaneously CalExit stokes up an ever increasing number of persons in California who will promote the secession. The trick has been to quickly shuffle the population demographic through the means mentioned below (and CalExit says Texas is next on their list of states they wish to claim):

    1. Terrorism. Use of covert harassment weapons (DEW) and gangstalking of citizens so as to make them lose their jobs, lose their homes, so as to compel them to leave California, and "open up a spot" for illegals (as admittedly described by Shankar Singam in the above interview).
    2. Thwarting federal law by creating Sanctuary Cities, thus hoards of illegals and overstayed VISAs from every state of the U.S. have flooded to California during these past several years.
    3. Huge numbers of illegals come over the border every day, and since California is a Sanctuary State (an illegal misnomer as that "status" is federally unrecognized), the illegals will be guided to California most specifically.
    4. California has a subsidy for companies who hire felons, thus drawing illegals and citizens who may not want federal oversight.
    5. California has stupidly legalized marijuana (also federally unrecognized) which will dumb down pot-using citizens and all the children subjected to their second hand marijuana smoke; creating the characteristic marijuana-use mindset of "who cares". Thus a citizenry who votes and signs petitions thoughtlessly.
    6. California in "legalizing" marijuana use has drawn "never-do-well" anarchists from every state of the U.S. into California.
    7. Kim Jung Un, as North Korea is not an Allie, could perceive himself as a beneficiary of the New CalExit nation, thus may be waging his continuing threats of nuclear missle attacks against California, so as to compel additional middle class people to leave.

    My Conclusion: CalExit is a coordinated hostile offensive.


    *As a separate nation, perhaps CalExit perhaps wishes to view itself as a nation who has not signed the Geneva Convention and Frequency Act/Treaties etc, and thus wouldn't consider itself as having to abide by the "rules of war" as pertaining to "false flags" and unlawful mind-control weapons as well as techniques: Visit the Targeted Individual section of Avalon Forum to find out the types of atrocities on-going and possible for anarchist groups who perceive themselves as above the law, who wish citizens to be displaced. If one were to make a GIS layer of Targeted Individuals, and a GIS layer of the regions which CalExit mentions as desiring next, they match perfectly. I feel confident that the correlation exists.
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    5. California has stupidly legalized marijuana (also federally unrecognized) which will dumb down pot-using citizens and all the children subjected to their second hand marijuana smoke; creating the characteristic marijuana-use mindset of "who cares". Thus a citizenry who votes and signs petitions thoughtlessly.
    6. California in "legalizing" marijuana use has drawn "never-do-well" anarchists from every state of the U.S. into California.
    7. Kim Jung Un, as North Korea is not an Allie, could perceive himself as a beneficiary of the New CalExit nation, thus may be waging his continuing threats of nuclear missle attacks against California, so as to compel additional middle class people to leave.
    First, I dont think i have read anywhere about CALEXIT except here. I dont think anybody actually takes it seriously at all if it is even a thing. Furthermore, there is no mechanism to actually leave the Union, besides what was tried in the 1800s. (although Texas does have a mechanism it would be an interesting fight between them and the Feds)

    Second, You dont believe in both property and freedom if you think the government is allowed to tell me what substance I can put into my body. My body is my property and if I want to alter it with WHATEVER then that is my choice.

    Third, you have a child like view of cannabis.

    Fourth, you use Anarchist like it is a derogatory word meaning you probably couldnt actually elucidate what the philosophy behind anarchy is. I recommend James Corbetts reading What is Property? https://www.corbettreport.com/catego...ead-anarchist/

    Fifth, your characterization of NK actions seems a little unbalanced and seems to lack any ability to walk a mile in their shoes. Am I defending Un? No he is clearly a monster that presides over a terroristic state, but then again so is TRUMP.


    Sixth, without realizing, or maybe with realizing it, you are pushing the very agenda you are railing against. By pushing this left right bull****, you working for antifa. Reject the entire spectrum and create something new. Repub and Democrats are clearly both corrupt and not working for the majority of the people they claim to be. Both parties are extensions of the national security state and if you cant see that then we live in different realities.

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    I watched the heartbreaking video of Stephen Willeford, it is wonderful that there are honest, loving and law-abiding folk still being enabled to activate when necessary, to defend innocence, and stuff politicisation, this was a mentally ill man taken down by a caring local, so stop making it into something it should not be, or exacerbating for political profit.
    I hold both Stephen Willeford, and the driver, Johnny, in very high esteem. And I can tell you with absolute certainty that there are many, many thousands, if not millions, of Stephens and Johnnys in Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Kansas, New Mexico, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota and many other states.

    No sane and reasonable person wants to find himself or herself in this type of situation. But this insanity is sadly a part of today's world, as remote as it may be for any particular one of us to be involved in such an event at any particular time. Being able to defend yourself and, importantly, defend others like this and to be able to bring down a heavily armed and determined killer, or killers, is highly preferable to being slaughtered.

    I can be counted among those people who relate to this man and what he stands for and had to do.
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    Texas Killer Escaped From Mental Institution, Trump Proven Right AGAIN

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zgKMT6yrJU

    Published on 7 Nov 2017...Info Wars...
    Alex Jones presents President Trump's claim that the Sutherland Springs,
    Texas Church shooting was more of a mental health issue than gun control
    issue, and new reports prove Trump right, AGAIN.

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    Texas Gunman Escaped From Mental Health Facility In 2012,
    Documents Show | NBC Nightly News



    Published on 7 Nov 2017
    The alleged shooter killed 26 people in the worst mass murder in modern
    Texas history with a semiautomatic rifle that, by law, he should not have
    been allowed to buy.

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    Texas Church Shooting: The 26 Victims Who Were Killed | NBC Nightly News

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9iyXRpJ5I
    Published on 7 Nov 2017
    Survivors are describing the horrifying scene in which the gunman fired on
    children -- the youngest, just 18 months old -- and adults.
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    Quote Texas Gunman Escaped From Mental Health Facility In 2012,
    Documents Show | NBC Nightly News
    Any need to explain where, when and by whom said shooter received his programming?
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    Quote Any need to explain where, when and by whom said shooter received his programming?
    I was beginning to think this was a tragic event for once , I'm not so sure now
    after yesterdays revelations ....




    Pentagon investigating Texas church shooter's past



    Published on 8 Nov 2017

    Members of Congress are also demanding answers as the suspect,
    Devin Kelley, is now known to have escaped from a mental health
    facility and was able to purchase guns despite a domestic abuse
    conviction.

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    Texas Gunman Devin Kelley Escaped From Mental Health Facility In 2012 | NBC Nightly News
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_mH2PzyFOM
    Published on 8 Nov 2017
    The alleged shooter killed 26 people in the worst mass murder in modern Texas
    history with a semiautomatic rifle that, by law, he should not have been allowed to buy.

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    Texas gunman's disturbing past comes to light

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDFfF3rUia4
    Published on 8 Nov 2017...Fox.
    The church shooter escaped a mental health facility.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    ... including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns going back to 2014...
    haha You've gotta watch out quoting back Alex Jones without using quotation marks. There are probably quite a few atheists on this forum that wouldn't like being called "dirt bag" - especially by a selfish pseudo-Christian who is brainwashed against atheism.
    Here's a quote from Alex Jones from today's show — with quotation marks, too:

    "A lot of nice people are atheists, a lot of intellectuals, a lot of folks that don’t like fake churches and fake religion."

    Alex's description of Kelley as a "dirt bag" might have been more than entirely reasonable (and maybe just a little mild), considering that he cold-bloodedly murdered 26 people, including tiny children and senior citizens.
    Yes, surely "dirt bag" is a mild epithet for a mass murderer, and there are no cuss words that can be strung together into a compound adjective that would describe a mass murderer adequately. But that's not what I was pointing out. I was pointing out Jones' prejudice against atheists (let's add Muslims too) that comes seething out in his rhetoric. As researchers and people seeking the truth, we need to do our research without deliberately or inadvertently accepting or repeating or even promoting the prejudices of the people that we use for our research. It's part of discernment. Cidersomerset's post caught my eye when it appeared to me, at first blush - due to the lack of quotation marks, that those were Cider's words. I quickly realized that they were Jones' words, but that made me realize that one of Jones' prejudices was being repeated (unchallenged), which is tantamount to acceptance.

    A major project of the CIA/Deep State - using their control over mainstream media - has been to demonize Islam and Muslims, to associate Muslims with terror. We KNOW this is true - we (as a community) have done the due diligence and we know that this is a ploy by the CIA to get people to blindly accept the official narrative of 9/11 and the bombing and takeover of Arab countries that is the US federal government (mobster) geopolitical policy. We don't need to defend Islam (or Catholicism, or Christianity, or Hinduism, or Judaism, etc.) My own view is that all of those religions are tools of control over the population, and I would love it if all religions were abandoned. My own views, however, clash with most people who hold religion as a 'sacred' milieu, and for me the only logical remedy is tolerance. I tolerate Christianity. I tolerate Islam. More importantly, I refuse to help the CIA/Deep State carry out their mission which includes making Muslims the latest boogeymen that we all need to fear and to allow the State to "protect us" from.

    Another way of looking at this is like one of those mathematical word problems that we had to solve in school, where we are given the pertinent data along with gobs of worthless data - and we are tasked with finding the important data to solve the problem (or understand the situation.) Discernment. We throw out/ignore all the worthless data - the same way that as researchers, we MUST also throw out the worthless data and innuendo and prejudices that are packed along with the pertinent data.


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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Quote Any need to explain where, when and by whom said shooter received his programming?
    I was beginning to think this was a tragic event for once , I'm not so sure now
    after yesterdays revelations ....




    Pentagon investigating Texas church shooter's past



    Published on 8 Nov 2017

    Members of Congress are also demanding answers as the suspect,
    Devin Kelley, is now known to have escaped from a mental health
    facility and was able to purchase guns despite a domestic abuse
    conviction.

    =================================================

    Texas Gunman Devin Kelley Escaped From Mental Health Facility In 2012 | NBC Nightly News
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_mH2PzyFOM
    Published on 8 Nov 2017
    The alleged shooter killed 26 people in the worst mass murder in modern Texas
    history with a semiautomatic rifle that, by law, he should not have been allowed to buy.

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    Texas gunman's disturbing past comes to light

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDFfF3rUia4
    Published on 8 Nov 2017...Fox.
    The church shooter escaped a mental health facility.
    I guess I'm not too savvy about this sort of thing but I find it interesting that the 'Pentagon' is investigating, not the FBI? I associate the Pentagon with the military and were they to do investigations it would be regarding military affairs. The police investigate civilians, the FBI, the CIA, but I just found it strange the Pentagon is handling this one. I don't trust the FBI and especially don't trust the CIA as i see them as the private police force for the international ruling class so maybe it's good the Pentagon is handling, who knows.
    It's also validating that it's being highlighted that there are gun laws in place but if institutions won't enforce what is already in place don't take it out on the law abiding gun owners.

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    ... including how the atheist dirt bag purchased four guns going back to 2014...
    haha You've gotta watch out quoting back Alex Jones without using quotation marks. There are probably quite a few atheists on this forum that wouldn't like being called "dirt bag" - especially by a selfish pseudo-Christian who is brainwashed against atheism.
    Here's a quote from Alex Jones from today's show — with quotation marks, too:

    "A lot of nice people are atheists, a lot of intellectuals, a lot of folks that don’t like fake churches and fake religion."

    Alex's description of Kelley as a "dirt bag" might have been more than entirely reasonable (and maybe just a little mild), considering that he cold-bloodedly murdered 26 people, including tiny children and senior citizens.
    Yes, surely "dirt bag" is a mild epithet for a mass murderer, and there are no cuss words that can be strung together into a compound adjective that would describe a mass murderer adequately. But that's not what I was pointing out. I was pointing out Jones' prejudice against atheists (let's add Muslims too) that comes seething out in his rhetoric. As researchers and people seeking the truth, we need to do our research without deliberately or inadvertently accepting or repeating or even promoting the prejudices of the people that we use for our research. It's part of discernment. Cidersomerset's post caught my eye when it appeared to me, at first blush - due to the lack of quotation marks, that those were Cider's words. I quickly realized that they were Jones' words, but that made me realize that one of Jones' prejudices was being repeated (unchallenged), which is tantamount to acceptance.

    A major project of the CIA/Deep State - using their control over mainstream media - has been to demonize Islam and Muslims, to associate Muslims with terror. We KNOW this is true - we (as a community) have done the due diligence and we know that this is a ploy by the CIA to get people to blindly accept the official narrative of 9/11 and the bombing and takeover of Arab countries that is the US federal government (mobster) geopolitical policy. We don't need to defend Islam (or Catholicism, or Christianity, or Hinduism, or Judaism, etc.) My own view is that all of those religions are tools of control over the population, and I would love it if all religions were abandoned. My own views, however, clash with most people who hold religion as a 'sacred' milieu, and for me the only logical remedy is tolerance. I tolerate Christianity. I tolerate Islam. More importantly, I refuse to help the CIA/Deep State carry out their mission which includes making Muslims the latest boogeymen that we all need to fear and to allow the State to "protect us" from.

    Another way of looking at this is like one of those mathematical word problems that we had to solve in school, where we are given the pertinent data along with gobs of worthless data - and we are tasked with finding the important data to solve the problem (or understand the situation.) Discernment. We throw out/ignore all the worthless data - the same way that as researchers, we MUST also throw out the worthless data and innuendo and prejudices that are packed along with the pertinent data.
    "and for me the only logical remedy is tolerance"

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    Quote Posted by Tangri (here)
    "and for me the only logical remedy is tolerance"
    Yes, and there's no-one who wouldn't admire the sentiment.

    But if I was a woman in (say) Sweden, I might not be feeling very tolerant.
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    This is more of a conversation and summery of shooting and its consequences...

    #TexasChurchMassacre Lies | One Year Anniversary @POTUS — Lionel on "Real News With David Knight"



    Published on 9 Nov 2017
    A dramatic account of a high speed car chase after a mass shooting in a Texas church has
    emerged from one of the gunman’s pursuers, who describes a gunfight and subsequent crash.

    Motorist Johnnie Langendorff has told how he was driving near to Sutherland Springs First
    Baptist Church on Sunday morning when he saw two men shooting at each other.

    He saw the church gunman – now named as Devin Kelley – take off in his car and a member
    of the local community came over to ask for help.
    Langendorff told a local TV station Ksat.com: “I pulled up to the intersection where the shooting
    happened. I saw two men exchanging gunfire, the other being the citizen of the community.
    The shooter of the church had taken off, fled in his vehicle, the other gentleman came and
    said we need to pursue him. And that’s what I did, I just acted.
    Langendorff said he did not know the community member.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...

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    Quote I guess I'm not too savvy about this sort of thing but I find
    it interesting that the 'Pentagon' is investigating, not the FBI?
    I think the Pentagon are investigating what went wrong while he was
    in the airforce and the information was not passed to the civil authorities
    that Kelley was unfit to own a firearm. The actual criminal proceeding
    is being done by civil authorities as far as I know.

    It gets complicated as at first it seemed a straightforward tragic domestic
    murder spree. But the timing and what is now coming out about his past
    and what is transpiring on the Las Vegas thread makes it seems more
    than just coincidence that this happened now. We are still looking into
    it see LV thread for more details...

    =================================================

    FBI struggling to unlock Texas gunman's phone



    Published on 9 Nov 2017
    Rep. McCaul speaks out on the ongoing technology hurdles facing law enforcement.
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    Just saw this on the head line page and shows murderers come in all shapes and
    that's not including war atrocities. Millions of souls come and leave this planet
    each week , if we are eternal beings this visit is only a blink and if we return
    for multiple visits are some of these experience of our own choosing whether
    victim or perpetrator ? or is it just pot luck ? that's the eternal question we
    are all after and to big to answer here.....just saying.




    Germany serial killer: Niels Hoegel 'killed at least 100'

    4 hours ago...9th Nov 2017
    From the section Europe


    Quote Hoegel is now said to have killed 38 patients in Oldenburg and
    62 in Delmenhorst, both in northern Germany, between 1999 and 2005.
    read more....
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41930177

    Top 5 Doctors who Killed their Patients

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLSqPdx12F8

    Published on 19 Jun 2014

    Top 5 Doctor who Killed their Patients. Doctor are supposed to help people not kill
    and murder them. The Doctor Deaths in this video all did.

    5. Dr. Adams

    John Bodkin Adams was a British medical doctor, a convicted fraudster and a
    suspected serial killer. Between 1946 and 1956 a total of 160 of his patients died in
    suspicious circumstances. 132 Of those were elderly patients who had added
    Adams to their will just before they passed away. He was never found guilty of
    murder but we did the math for you...

    4. Dr. Shipman

    Harold Fredrick Shipman was a British doctor and one of the most prolific serial
    killers in recorded history with up to 250 murders being ascribed to him. He killed
    his victims and would then forge a new will. Shipman was found guilty of murdering
    fifteen patients but an official investigation concluded he has killed at least 200
    more. He hung himself in his jail cell in 2004.

    3. Dr. Swango

    As an intern in 1983, Swango's patients started quietly dying after he had been in
    the room with them. He was arrested and served two years of his five year
    sentence. After that, he lied his way into another job in the medical field! He killed
    some more people before his past caught up with him and he fled to Africa to
    become...? A Doctor! After poisoning more patients in Africa, Swango was finally
    arrested in 1997 and is serving life now.

    2. Dr. Ishii

    Shiro Ishii performed medical experiments on people troughout world war 2. His
    experiments included forced abortions, simulated strokes, heart attacks, frostbites
    and hypothermia. Ishii negotiated to trade the information obtained during his
    experiments to the United States in return for his freedom. Some believe he killed
    more than 10.000 people...

    1. Dr. Mengele

    Mengele was the camps's medical officer at Auschwitz-Birkenau, a concentration
    camp during world war 2. Mengele operated on people without using anesthesia,
    often removing their organs, amputating limbs and sewing twins together to form
    monstrous conjoined siblings. He mostly tortured children and twins and the most
    sickening fact maybe, is that he succesfully avoided capture until his death in 1979.

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    Another US veteran commits suicide every 65 minutes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln07Dl-8atA

    Published on 10 Nov 2017

    On Saturday, the United States will observe its annual Veterans’ Day, a celebration
    of gratitude and deference to those who’ve served in the armed forces. But all too
    often, these same veterans are forgotten, ignored and underserved the other 364
    days of the year.
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