Alien abductions: is it possible that we're all deceived?

[misbis]

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Human brain is not generator of thoughts. Only transmitter-reciever

[Spellbound]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
See the work of Dr David Jacobs (and before him, Budd Hopkins and Dr John Mack).

Some abductions may be military operations (which is the origin of the term Milab, for Military Abductee), but even then the evidence suggests that at least in some cases the military are re-abducting alien abductees to try to get to the bottom of what the ETs are doing themselves.

The many thousands of regressions done by Jacobs, Hopkins and Mack (others, too) all overwhelmingly prove without any reasonable doubt that there's an alien abduction phenomenon which is very real indeed.

Hi Bill (and others),

Some MILAB abductions are done jointly between the military and ET's....case in point Kerry's interview with Niara Isley:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=r4FA_42qjV0

Dave - Toronto

[misbis]

Posted by Spellbound (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
See the work of Dr David Jacobs (and before him, Budd Hopkins and Dr John Mack).

Some abductions may be military operations (which is the origin of the term Milab, for Military Abductee), but even then the evidence suggests that at least in some cases the military are re-abducting alien abductees to try to get to the bottom of what the ETs are doing themselves.

The many thousands of regressions done by Jacobs, Hopkins and Mack (others, too) all overwhelmingly prove without any reasonable doubt that there's an alien abduction phenomenon which is very real indeed.

Hi Bill (and others),

Some MILAB abductions are done jointly between the military and ET's....case in point Kerry's interview with Niara Isley:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=r4FA_42qjV0

Dave - Toronto

My question is - Is it possible, people with testimony and insiders to be OR set up,they consciously work for alien propaganda, OR they are programmed to believe it, implemented memories.Bottom line, no aliens doing abductions, humans do.By the way, since I have heart Kerry saying, military sometimes doing re-abduction with good purposes, to help the person, I started to doubt more. No purpose can excuse abduction against persons free choice.

[Spiral]

Posted by misbis (here)
My question is - Is it possible, people with testimony and insiders to be OR set up,they consciously work for alien propaganda, OR they are programmed to believe it, implemented memories.Bottom line, no aliens doing abductions, humans do.By the way, since I have heart Kerry saying, military sometimes doing re-abduction with good purposes, to help the person, I started to doubt more. No purpose can excuse abduction against persons free choice.

There are abductions by beings that want us to believe they are "aliens", it's not humans & not controlled by humans, it's the other way round, the humans involved are being controlled & used by these beings, that are absolutely NOT aliens.

That said there are humans in black projects playing "catch up", they are desperately trying to get all the tech & insights into what is happening as is possible, this sometimes necessitates "milabs" or "re-abs" as they are known, in order to find out what is in the minds of abductees, this requires similar invasive techniques as the "beings" use, because the info is hidden behind screens in the mind that the abductee can't access whilst conscious.

As for what's going on in Bulgaria, no idea, we can only guess at that due to the language barrier, it could well be the entire country has been under a mass mind control experiment under the soviets that the west is all too keen to follow up on, like with the nazi scientists after WW2.

As I said these "aliens" aren't aliens, this is why there is so much psychic phenomena around the subject, when you have a population that is largely under educated & under cognative dissonance these phenomena you describe will manifest, much like the St Medard phenomena.

[Foxie Loxie]

Excellent points, Sprial!

[Sunny-side-up]

Like I say.
It's all a very messed up and tangled mind we live in ha.
Who knows whats really going on?
Who knows who or what is doing what?
As far as I can tell, it's some of all that gets reported/posted here in Avalon.
Anything goes and is going on o.0

[misbis]

Posted by Spiral (here)

Posted by misbis (here)
My question is - Is it possible, people with testimony and insiders to be OR set up,they consciously work for alien propaganda, OR they are programmed to believe it, implemented memories.Bottom line, no aliens doing abductions, humans do.By the way, since I have heart Kerry saying, military sometimes doing re-abduction with good purposes, to help the person, I started to doubt more. No purpose can excuse abduction against persons free choice.

There are abductions by beings that want us to believe they are "aliens", it's not humans & not controlled by humans, it's the other way round, the humans involved are being controlled & used by these beings, that are absolutely NOT aliens.

That said there are humans in black projects playing "catch up", they are desperately trying to get all the tech & insights into what is happening as is possible, this sometimes necessitates "milabs" or "re-abs" as they are known, in order to find out what is in the minds of abductees, this requires similar invasive techniques as the "beings" use, because the info is hidden behind screens in the mind that the abductee can't access whilst conscious.

As for what's going on in Bulgaria, no idea, we can only guess at that due to the language barrier, it could well be the entire country has been under a mass mind control experiment under the soviets that the west is all too keen to follow up on, like with the nazi scientists after WW2.

As I said these "aliens" aren't aliens, this is why there is so much psychic phenomena around the subject, when you have a population that is largely under educated & under cognative dissonance these phenomena you describe will manifest, much like the St Medard phenomena.

This is very interesting what you say. Do you have more info about those beings?

[ghostrider]

I've read information that since 1913 a cover up about the ET phenomenon has been in place ... Most abductions are done by secret military groups... Their goal is to promote the hostile alien thesis, and keep the threat of invasion going to drain money from the duped public... My thinking is aliens wanted to invade Earth, they would have done it , and landed in mass ... The leader would be front and center, and history would be very different, and a never ending resupply of ships , equipment, etc would be in our faces ... To conquer vast distances in space, a culture would have long ago left the age of war and violence , otherwise they never would have left their own solar system...

[Valerie Villars]

I was thinking the same thing about animals, when my horse ripped her face apart on something. We had to call the vet, who jabbed her with a needle, knocked her senseless into a drooling mass, pulled the huge flap down, cleaned it, and then put staples in her face. To her, it was an abduction against her will, but it was done for her benefit.

When I was dealing with "humans" who weren't quite humans, black helicopters and all the attendant astral b.s., I had no idea what was going on. I was pissed off.

In retrospect, it taught me many, many things and mostly got me past the egoic thought that I/we are so special; "how dare someone do this to me" kind of a thing. Well, the truth is that creation goes on forever and we just have to deal with the different layers. What I don't agree with and never will, is deception, lying and manipulation. And there was a whole bunch of that going on too, in addition to the "good stuff".

I think when someone starts to wake up, all interested parties have a go at the wakening human, whether they have good or ill intent. It's like a spiritual free for all.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
Most abductions are done by secret military groups...

Not possible. Just calculate the logistics. There are just too many of them.

Posted by ghostrider (here)
My thinking is if aliens wanted to invade Earth, they would have done it , and landed in mass ...

John Lear would say:

A farmer doesn't need or want to invade their own farm. They just make sure the animals are all fit for purpose (whatever that is), but don't care about them individually or personally.

I would say:

To project limited human thinking on to ETs (like imagining they may want to invade a planet, WWII-style) may not be helpful, and is likely to be simplistic. They may have complex purposes or agendas that we might not easily be able to understand.

[neutronstar]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
They may have complex purposes or agendas that we might not easily be able to understand.

Like shaping humanity into the creators plan. I find it a little humorous when people say that abduction is impeding their free will when we have no idea of the higher purpose, or if our higher self agreed to it before this life started, and only the ego objects.

I will also add that maybe our higher self never sees anything that happens as good or bad, positive or negative, but simply sees it as an experience.

[misbis]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by ghostrider (here)
Most abductions are done by secret military groups...

Not possible. Just calculate the logistics. There are just too many of them.

Posted by ghostrider (here)
My thinking is if aliens wanted to invade Earth, they would have done it , and landed in mass ...

John Lear would say:

A farmer doesn't need or want to invade their own farm. They just make sure the animals are all fit for purpose (whatever that is), but don't care about them individually or personally.

I would say:

To project limited human thinking on to ETs (like imagining they may want to invade a planet, WWII-style) may not be helpful, and is likely to be simplistic. They may have complex purposes or agendas that we might not easily be able to understand.

that we might not easily be able to understand I keep trying to understand. The blindness makes me crazy.

[Michelle Marie]

Posted by neutronstar (here)

Posted by misbis (here)
Everything done without our consciousness choice, agreement and free will is negative

We do things all the time to children without there consent, like take them to the doctor. Is that negative.

It is not what is done that is negative but the intent behind the actions.

Well, in modern times, taking them to a doctor could be negative. Now that they push for big pharma and coerce or demand vaccinations.

I certainly don't go to doctors any more. They're killing the holistic ones, the type I would choose if I did go.

From what I have seen in schools, kids shouldn't be forced to go there, either.
Home schooling mixed with online classes would be a good solution.

MM

[neutronstar]

Posted by Michelle Marie (here)

Posted by neutronstar (here)

Posted by misbis (here)
Everything done without our consciousness choice, agreement and free will is negative

We do things all the time to children without there consent, like take them to the doctor. Is that negative.

It is not what is done that is negative but the intent behind the actions.

Well, in modern times, taking them to a doctor could be negative. Now that they push for big pharma and coerce or demand vaccinations.

I certainly don't go to doctors any more. They're killing the holistic ones, the type I would choose if I did go.

From what I have seen in schools, kids shouldn't be forced to go there, either.
Home schooling mixed with online classes would be a good solution.

MM

Ya, it was probably a bad example. I was thinking of that when I typed it, but was too lazy to think of a better one.

[Michelle Marie]

Posted by neutronstar (here)

Posted by Michelle Marie (here)

Posted by neutronstar (here)

Posted by misbis (here)
Everything done without our consciousness choice, agreement and free will is negative

We do things all the time to children without there consent, like take them to the doctor. Is that negative.

It is not what is done that is negative but the intent behind the actions.

Well, in modern times, taking them to a doctor could be negative. Now that they push for big pharma and coerce or demand vaccinations.

I certainly don't go to doctors any more. They're killing the holistic ones, the type I would choose if I did go.

From what I have seen in schools, kids shouldn't be forced to go there, either.
Home schooling mixed with online classes would be a good solution.

MM

Ya, it was probably a bad example. I was thinking of that when I typed it, but was too lazy to think of a better one.

Yes, but you're right about the intent behind it. If you are doing something to promote their welfare, that's a good intention. Like teaching them to stay clean. Sometimes they might not want to take a bath or shower. This is a ripe time for learning for them. Always an explanation of intent and good outcome could lead to a cooperative choice for the good. Communication is essential. 😀
MM

[Foxie Loxie]

I am of the opinion that only those who have actually experienced an "abduction" or weird happenings can really speak to what might be going on here. All I can do is take in what others' experiences have been & try to make some sense out of it. What is here on Avalon is excellent for doing that! The early videos done when Bill & Kerry were together are very helpful. If you haven't seen those, misbis, I would highly recommend them.

As to "understanding" what this is all about....don't tire yourself out!! Each of us is on a "journey"; each of us moves along at our own rate....enjoy the ride & keep exploring & learning.

[neutronstar]

Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
I am of the opinion that only those who have actually experienced an "abduction" or weird happenings can really speak to what might be going on here. All I can do is take in what others' experiences have been & try to make some sense out of it. What is here on Avalon is excellent for doing that! The early videos done when Bill & Kerry were together are very helpful. If you haven't seen those, misbis, I would highly recommend them.

As to "understanding" what this is all about....don't tire yourself out!! Each of us is on a "journey"; each of us moves along at our own rate....enjoy the ride & keep exploring & learning.

I can't agree with that. Are animals the best to talk to when we abduct them?

Never be afraid to have an opinion, even when your wrong. I do it all the time

[misbis]

Posted by Foxie Loxie (here)
I am of the opinion that only those who have actually experienced an "abduction" or weird happenings can really speak to what might be going on here. All I can do is take in what others' experiences have been & try to make some sense out of it. What is here on Avalon is excellent for doing that! The early videos done when Bill & Kerry were together are very helpful. If you haven't seen those, misbis, I would highly recommend them.

As to "understanding" what this is all about....don't tire yourself out!! Each of us is on a "journey"; each of us moves along at our own rate....enjoy the ride & keep exploring & learning.

Thank you dear. I have had such strange life,that I'm already burn out ,more then this can not be burned About Camelot videos, I have seen them all. I have been in translator team for short time, some conferences too...I'm not saying I have nothing to learn more of it...from distance of time the same videos can give another perspective and I watch them again. The questions I have are based on my personal experience. I search answers for my own life. I had no normal life,like most of the people.I have been,and may be still am, a butterfly from eastern version of Monarch program.I survived,but questions I still have

[Foxie Loxie]

I would agree, misbis, that we are all searching for answers to explain what we have lived through! It IS quite a conundrum!

[Spiral]

Posted by misbis (here)

Posted by Spiral (here)

Posted by misbis (here)
My question is - Is it possible, people with testimony and insiders to be OR set up,they consciously work for alien propaganda, OR they are programmed to believe it, implemented memories.Bottom line, no aliens doing abductions, humans do.By the way, since I have heart Kerry saying, military sometimes doing re-abduction with good purposes, to help the person, I started to doubt more. No purpose can excuse abduction against persons free choice.

There are abductions by beings that want us to believe they are "aliens", it's not humans & not controlled by humans, it's the other way round, the humans involved are being controlled & used by these beings, that are absolutely NOT aliens.

That said there are humans in black projects playing "catch up", they are desperately trying to get all the tech & insights into what is happening as is possible, this sometimes necessitates "milabs" or "re-abs" as they are known, in order to find out what is in the minds of abductees, this requires similar invasive techniques as the "beings" use, because the info is hidden behind screens in the mind that the abductee can't access whilst conscious.

As for what's going on in Bulgaria, no idea, we can only guess at that due to the language barrier, it could well be the entire country has been under a mass mind control experiment under the soviets that the west is all too keen to follow up on, like with the nazi scientists after WW2.

As I said these "aliens" aren't aliens, this is why there is so much psychic phenomena around the subject, when you have a population that is largely under educated & under cognative dissonance these phenomena you describe will manifest, much like the St Medard phenomena.

This is very interesting what you say. Do you have more info about those beings?

To get a better picture of what these things are I would recommend two books above all others,

Invisible College by Jaques Vallee

The Eighth Tower by John Keel

Everyone else is following an agenda or trying to make the pieces fit a picture they already have.


It certainly isn't the "military" going all around the world abducting nobodies like me to do things that don't make sense (outside of a purely ontological framework) in craft that are centuries ahead of what they purport to have that would cost billions to make & run if they could ......