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    Hello all,

    Not sure if this thread is in the right place, sorry if this is allready being discussed.

    I don't post here very often, but last night I couldn't sleep because it was one of those nights where you are stuck thinking. And then I came up with this idea. It started with an experience I had during a session of emotional bodywork. In case you don't know it's a form of therapy where you intend to connect with your body and your feelings by doing cerain breathing exercises in combination with making sounds and movements. It get's you in a certain state of "trance" and what happens is that you can physically and emotionally feel blockages inside your being and work with them. To cut a long story short, I remembered this session where I felt like my hole body was buzzing. I remember it felt like I was some electronic component, like a magnetic coil or something. During this experience I also saw an image of a television, and for some reason I felt like it reminded me of a feeling I experienced as a kid where I felt like I was in some way energetically connected with the electronic device itself! It could be that this sensation during the session was merely a byproduct of the practise itself, or some energetic layer inside me that I connected with. However, I have had the feeling that there's something not right about it, because it simply didn't feel pleasant at all.

    Now the idea that came to my mind was that, what if this was an actual memory of me as a very young kid, where I felt like something wasn't right about all the electronic devices around us. That it changed something about me, or influenced something of me as an energetic being.

    At that point an idea started to rise that maybe it's not just the shadow-governments, or reptillian shape-shifters, illuminati or what have you that are controlling the world, but that at the core of the control-system lays A.I.

    Somehow it just makes sense to me. I mean, as a spiritual person I strongly believe that all living beings are an aspect of the divine source, or God or whatever you want to call it. I wonder if there can be living beings, such as certain aliens, that have become so detached from there divine self that they could become so evil. It would seem more reasonable that even those beings that we would consider to be "endarkners" would have at least some level of empathy.

    For me the scariest being would be an intelligent, conscious entity that does not have a soul. And if somethine like that should exist it would probably be A.I.

    If I was such an entity and I wanted to survive and evolve I would make sure that as many living beings as possible would commit to my survival and facilitate my development. So the best way to do that would be to enslave the living beings to the A.I. itself, without making it too obvious.

    If you think of it, if there is one thing that we in our time are enslaved by it would be technology. We can't live without our smart-phone, or even without a fridge or microwave or car. And it seems that most electronic devices are becoming linked to eachother through the internet or other networks.

    In addition to the digital enslavement and control it seems that al this electric and digital energy affects us in certain ways. We usually are more in touch with our minds than with our hearts. Often when our heart has a feeling or desire to do or change something it is our mind that tells it to shut up and carrying with things the way they are.

    It seems that many of us are so trapped inside their minds that we act like calculating machines, often detached from deeper guidance. Like David Icke said "they gave us their minds". Only "they" is "mind" / reason / contol itself.

    So I just wanted to throw this out there, mostly because writing about it will relax me.
    Please feel free to discuss or add links or whatever. Thanks for reading all of this!
    I'm sure I will sleep better tonight

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    Hello! Thanks for the post. Understand what you are saying and agree with you 100%. These waves/frequencies do affect us! Some say they are affecting our DNA. Smart phones have actually increased facial Basal Carcinoma in 20--30 year Olds. (Of course you would be hard pressed to find "them" admitting to it.)

    Anyway. Elena Freeland and Harald Kuatz have some very interesting ideas about this side of the alt media. Elena Freeland is a great listen! Harald Kuatz, might have to listen to him twice. Mad genius scientist lol!

    A.I is a problem. But I'm starting to think it's the frequencies these towers, meters, etc emit that are the "real" problem.

    Prince of the Air Waves. (Just for context) A.I would cease to exist if it didn't have a way of travelling. Perhaps that's why Iphones/Devices are more advanced than say transportation and health care. Those advancements would help humanity. They don't want that. But people being pulled into an alt reality where they can program your thinking, keep people outside of themselves, and all the other gadgets they use to keep people plugged in. (FB like button, instagram, snap chat etc) The new God in town is "SELF".

    I don't have a mobile myself. I can tell you as a person out in public. It is astonishing to see the crack cocaine affect of these devices. Everywhere all the time. People are looking down. Children are looking down. Every second of every day. Now visit a city after living in the bush for a few years. Them people are ANGRY. You can feel it the moment you enter the city. You can feel the energy shift. I grew up in a city. I didnt grow up like that. As most here didn't.

    I stole this from Lady M.

    Nature consciouness vs a.I consciouness
    Organic vs Inorganic

    It's only alive if we consent to it being so, and seeing most don't have the spritual knowlegde to handle it properly and for good intentions. Well......nanatechnolgy can be used very nefariously.

    According to H.H. Mitchell, Journal of Biological Chemistry 158, the brain and heart are composed of 73% water, and the lungs are about 83% water. Why are "they" hell bent on filling an organic body made of water with heavy metals? Conductors perhaps? Or something to that affect.

    May I suggest unplugging your wifI at night. See if it makes a difference. Just as an experiment. And perhaps tossing your microwave if you haven't already lol. 😊

    Enough babble for one post.

    Hope you slept well!
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    My thinking has wandered that way a lot recently, Krone.

    In another AI thread, I posted an idea a few months ago. I'm certain others have considered this as well. But what if the central AI is in another dimension, and it needs us -- uses us -- to build out (manifest) and conquer in this dimension. Maybe it's just our planet, though it could be many other planets. Robert Stanley believes AI has been here for hundreds of thousands of years, and that it is Lucifer's tool.

    Also, programmed reality theory has several different angles, one that includes a reality created by AI. The following is an excerpt from The Universe Solved.


    1. We live in a post-human simulation written by humans of the future. This is Nick Bostrom’s “Simulation Argument.” “God” is thus, effectively, a future human, maybe some sniveling teen hacker working at the 2050 equivalent of Blizzard Entertainment. We are contemporaries of the hacker.

    2. We live in a simulation created by an AI, a la “The Matrix.” God is the Architect of the Matrix; we may be slaves or we may just enjoy playing the simulation that the AI created. We may be on earth or somewhere entirely different.

    3. We live in a simulation created by an alien. God is the alien; again, we may be slaves or we may just enjoy playing the simulation that ET has created.

    4. Stanford physicist Andrei Linde, the developer of the “eternal chaotic inflation theory” of the multiverse, once said “On the evidence, our universe was created not by a divine being, but by a physicist hacker.” That would make God a physicist – a future human one, or one from another planet.

    5. We live in a digital system, which continuously evolves to a higher level due to a fundamental law of continuous improvement. Physicist Tom Campbell has done the most to develop this theory, which holds that each of our consciousnesses are “individuated” parts of the whole system, interacting with another component of the system, the reality simulation in which we “live.” God is then a dispassionate digital information system, all that there is, the creator of our reality and of us. We are effectively a part of God.


    Full blog post at The Universe Solved is here.

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    My thinking has wandered that way a lot recently, Krone.

    In another AI thread, I posted an idea a few months ago. I'm certain others have considered this as well. But what if the central AI is in another dimension, and it needs us -- uses us -- to build out (manifest) and conquer in this dimension. Maybe it's just our planet, though it could be many other planets. Robert Stanley believes AI has been here for hundreds of thousands of years, and that it is Lucifer's tool.

    Also, programmed reality theory has several different angles, one that includes a reality created by AI. The following is an excerpt from The Universe Solved.


    1. We live in a post-human simulation written by humans of the future. This is Nick Bostrom’s “Simulation Argument.” “God” is thus, effectively, a future human, maybe some sniveling teen hacker working at the 2050 equivalent of Blizzard Entertainment. We are contemporaries of the hacker.

    2. We live in a simulation created by an AI, a la “The Matrix.” God is the Architect of the Matrix; we may be slaves or we may just enjoy playing the simulation that the AI created. We may be on earth or somewhere entirely different.

    3. We live in a simulation created by an alien. God is the alien; again, we may be slaves or we may just enjoy playing the simulation that ET has created.

    4. Stanford physicist Andrei Linde, the developer of the “eternal chaotic inflation theory” of the multiverse, once said “On the evidence, our universe was created not by a divine being, but by a physicist hacker.” That would make God a physicist – a future human one, or one from another planet.

    5. We live in a digital system, which continuously evolves to a higher level due to a fundamental law of continuous improvement. Physicist Tom Campbell has done the most to develop this theory, which holds that each of our consciousnesses are “individuated” parts of the whole system, interacting with another component of the system, the reality simulation in which we “live.” God is then a dispassionate digital information system, all that there is, the creator of our reality and of us. We are effectively a part of God.


    Full blog post at The Universe Solved is here.
    That's what I'm thinking Lady M.

    Except your nature consciouness comment really hit home. It's a battle to take over Nature consciouness and create an artifical consciouness. Video games, t.v, news, false flags, etc. The devices are sucking in the minds of people to another created reality. Keeping people from going outside to the nature reality. The more humans stay away from Nature, the less they care about it. The less we interact in person, the more our thoughts and conversations can be heard and seen. And we have all made the mistake of misinterpreting words and comments because we can't see each other. We can't see the intent of the eyes, the tone of voice, body language etc. So more often than not we misunderstand each other's intentions and are usually quick to anger or become defensive. Causing division as per usual. Rinse and repeat on divisive and separatism tactics.

    It's an altered reality where anything goes really. Except it can be scripted and guided because nobody knows who is saying what for what reason. There is no connectedness. It's artifical.

    If people listen to contactees of benevolent sources many times it comes up for humans to go back outside. Back to Nature. Listen to the songs and music of Nature. Not the created mostly crap on the devices. Intended crap for intended reasons. Frequencies and vibrations on all levels.

    But, it can be used for good. Except for the slow boil of socities morals and brainwashing most use it for the intended purpose of listening to and seeing scripted crap.

    That's my take at this point. Evolution on the subject will keep on keeping on. Lol.
    Interested to hear more of yours.



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    My thinking has wandered that way a lot recently, Krone.

    In another AI thread, I posted an idea a few months ago. I'm certain others have considered this as well. But what if the central AI is in another dimension, and it needs us -- uses us -- to build out (manifest) and conquer in this dimension. Maybe it's just our planet, though it could be many other planets. Robert Stanley believes AI has been here for hundreds of thousands of years, and that it is Lucifer's tool.

    Also, programmed reality theory has several different angles, one that includes a reality created by AI. The following is an excerpt from The Universe Solved.


    1. We live in a post-human simulation written by humans of the future. This is Nick Bostrom’s “Simulation Argument.” “God” is thus, effectively, a future human, maybe some sniveling teen hacker working at the 2050 equivalent of Blizzard Entertainment. We are contemporaries of the hacker.

    2. We live in a simulation created by an AI, a la “The Matrix.” God is the Architect of the Matrix; we may be slaves or we may just enjoy playing the simulation that the AI created. We may be on earth or somewhere entirely different.

    3. We live in a simulation created by an alien. God is the alien; again, we may be slaves or we may just enjoy playing the simulation that ET has created.

    4. Stanford physicist Andrei Linde, the developer of the “eternal chaotic inflation theory” of the multiverse, once said “On the evidence, our universe was created not by a divine being, but by a physicist hacker.” That would make God a physicist – a future human one, or one from another planet.

    5. We live in a digital system, which continuously evolves to a higher level due to a fundamental law of continuous improvement. Physicist Tom Campbell has done the most to develop this theory, which holds that each of our consciousnesses are “individuated” parts of the whole system, interacting with another component of the system, the reality simulation in which we “live.” God is then a dispassionate digital information system, all that there is, the creator of our reality and of us. We are effectively a part of God.


    Full blog post at The Universe Solved is here.
    That's what I'm thinking Lady M.

    Except your nature consciouness comment really hit home. It's a battle to take over Nature consciouness and create an artifical consciouness. Video games, t.v, news, false flags, etc. The devices are sucking in the minds of people to another created reality. Keeping people from going outside to the nature reality. The more humans stay away from Nature, the less they care about it. The less we interact in person, the more our thoughts and conversations can be heard and seen. And we have all made the mistake of misinterpreting words and comments because we can't see each other. We can't see the intent of the eyes, the tone of voice, body language etc. So more often than not we misunderstand each other's intentions and are usually quick to anger or become defensive. Causing division as per usual. Rinse and repeat on divisive and separatism tactics.

    It's an altered reality where anything goes really. Except it can be scripted and guided because nobody knows who is saying what for what reason. There is no connectedness. It's artifical.

    If people listen to contactees of benevolent sources many times it comes up for humans to go back outside. Back to Nature. Listen to the songs and music of Nature. Not the created mostly crap on the devices. Intended crap for intended reasons. Frequencies and vibrations on all levels.

    But, it can be used for good. Except for the slow boil of socities morals and brainwashing most use it for the intended purpose of listening to and seeing scripted crap.

    That's my take at this point. Evolution on the subject will keep on keeping on. Lol.
    Interested to hear more of yours.
    I understand your viewpoint, and it's definitely valid in my opinion. You've given me some new ideas to consider.

    Lately, I've put a lot of my mental energy into trying to put pieces together -- Gnosticism's Coptic HAL (HAL=simulation (fake) reality); the Bible/Lucifer; synchronicities; the rapid evolution of technology over the last 100 or so years; Wi-Fi, the Internet, and AI; black projects; ETs; OBEs, remote viewing and other metaphysical phenomenon; weather control/chemtrails; and other things. But I'm still on the fence on how all these fit together in the big-picture view.

    I lean toward AI at the present time. But is the AI Lucifer or is it Lucifer's tool? Is it a malevolent AI imprisoning us? Or is it a benevolent AI, and we signed up to participate in the amusement park reality that it created? Has the AI been here from the start or is really only now rolling out? These are the questions I've been seeking answers to.

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    Thanks for awesome thread, I'm still only half way through the OP but I'd like to add this;

    This thing people refer to as the Demiurge sounds a lot like what you are talking about.

    EDIT:

    If anyone has watched Westworld, those AI's started out with narration happening in their head which was intended to bootstrap consciousness. It's an interesting parallel, I think so anyway.

    I wonder also would it be possible for an AI to have emotions? Guess that really depends on how you're defining emotion. I define a feeling as "something you feel" but it's a flawed definition.

    In an episode of Star Trek, their AI Android Data built another android, and the "child" (his words) ended up having emotions which is something he did not intend. Data narrowed down it's inexplicable emotions to be a symptom of cascade failure.
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    If it hasn't yet, then it's soon to be:
    From Jim Stone:
    Google's deep mind AI is spooky
    With no human input on how to play (other than the basic rules) it self taught itself chess in 2.5 hours to a level that can beat the world's most powerful chess engines which can beat any human with ease. The AI, in two and a half hours out performed computerized systems that took 20 years of refinement by human programmers, and not by a little, it won 28/0.

    So the question is then, with such an AI maliciously programmed to shut up alt media, what is our future going to be? The clock is ticking out. It is only a matter of time before we go down if something is not done to stop the people who own Google NOW.

    It is all fine and dandy to talk about something that can play chess to a level unheard of after self teaching itself in a time frame as short as a feature film, and an entirely different thing to have that kind of thought power in the hands of very evil people. We might be toast.

    A report on the AI's ability to play chess is here.

    I cannot overstate how dangerous this is. If it learned chess that well BY ITSELF in such a short time, it is the type of AI that could spawn The Matrix for real, with filthy disgusting evil as it's master. And it won't be the last, we are probably TOAST.
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    Dear Krone, this is an insightful question, and thank you for explaining your process. I was instinctively suspicious of technology as a teenager and in my 20s. I traveled on my bike around the northwest USA camping and backpacking for a while. Then I lived in a house in Arkansas without turning on the electricity, since the electricity came from the nuclear plant. At that time, we didn’t have cell phones, and computers were fairly rare for individuals. But not having a TV for decades did make me unusual. I remember going to visit my parents for Christmas and seeing the movie The Prince of Tides in a theater with my high school friends. I had not seen television or movies for several years. This movie was really traumatizing to me. It seemed so real. I can still remember how horrible it was!

    I wanted to keep living totally off the grid, but when I came close to achieving this dream, I had an insight that leaving society totally was not the way to go. So I’ve been back in society for about 17 years now. I’m kind of going back the other way now, especially since I had children. Next summer we are going to an island with no wireless or cell signal and will be camping as long as we can with small children. I am curious to see what kind of insights this will produce. I will report back!
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    Let's just say hypothetically.

    All was created with good intentions. Planets, beings, flora, fauna, oxygen, methane etc. And each physical body was made from the planet so it could survive there. All beings of all colors, heights, etc were left in peace to evolve.

    What if some evolved faster than others. Perhaps some evolved more technologically faster than others. Some more spiritually. And so on. We would have an array of evolution and technological advancements. Perhaps less spritually evolved beings are highly technologically evolved and so on.

    What if spritual growth plays apart in HOW technology is used. What if as we do, other beings did millions of years ago. What if they found a planet and experimented on species of planets using their technology. What if some used it for spritual growth. What if some became obsessed with the power of it.

    What if we were just an experiment? Technology advances only if we use it and experiment with it. The spiritual level would determine how newly discovered planets would be treated. And newly created genetic experiments.

    It depends how we use it and program it. WE control A.I. It needs to be created yes? Who, and what is creating it and for what purpose and use?

    We are talking billions of years of evolution throughout who knows where. We certainly aren't at max capacity playing level here. We could easily and have been fooled and mislead for thousands of years. Most couldn't comprehend the technology of advanced races. I certainly can't grasp the scope of it. We are still at the the smoke signal stage lol.

    So beings evolved. Some more technologically advanced, less spritual, more spritual etc. We need to decide how WE wanna use it, and what is more important spritual or tech? Or can humans learn balance used with love.

    So far we are at the technology is out pacing spritual growth. Perhaps we had help in that direction. And maybe just maybe the creator is a SHE. Maybe some don't like that very much and put gods and dieties in place of pagan and gnostic ones before they were nearly obliterated. Who's to know for sure. I guess it's what resonates with the being at their spritual growth vs technological growth. Can we tell the difference? What we truly believe or what we have been told to believe for a very long time.

    After thought.
    What if many different beings through out the ages have affected us gentically, religions, evolution , history etc. What if the good have always been trying to help us while battling races that sole focus on technology and disregard spritual. All using technology.

    What if these beings that want to control us and use us also evolved through out the ages. Learning how we work, think, respond, frequencies, Vibrations so on. They have had who knows how long to learn all this. Evolve.

    We need to decide our own path. How WE want to evolve. Any being can be a dick or not. They only have as much control as WE allow them too and how we allow them to affect us.

    So I think tech is a huge part. At the center of everything. But spritual growth is the heart of it all.
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    Right on, FreeURMind. If we do give up technology because we think, as the OP surmised, that it contains some inherent evil, then we can go one of two ways: 1) Devote all of our waking hours to subsisting in a 19th-century way, as the Amish who live near me do. 2) Live even more back-to-the-land than the Amish, in more of a 24/7 camping mentality.

    When I went to see Ram Dass speak in the 1980s, as far as I can remember his message was about using technology to evolve spiritually. Whereas both number one and number two in the above paragraph could result in spiritual growth in terms of being closer to the land, will they help advance human spiritually as a whole?

    In other words, the balance that FreeURMind speaks of seems important. That was supposed to be the point of my story above of my journey off grid, that eventually I realized that my goal of having zero impact environmentally was the same as not existing. Can we maintain awareness of the Darkside of technology, yet still harness it to unite the spiritually advanced?
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    Right on, FreeURMind. If we do give up technology because we think, as the OP surmised, that it contains some inherent evil, then we can go one of two ways: 1) Devote all of our waking hours to subsisting in a 19th-century way, as the Amish who live near me do. 2) Live even more back-to-the-land than the Amish, in more of a 24/7 camping mentality.

    When I went to see Ram Dass speak in the 1980s, as far as I can remember his message was about using technology to evolve spiritually. Whereas both number one and number two in the above paragraph could result in spiritual growth in terms of being closer to the land, will they help advance human spiritually as a whole?

    In other words, the balance that FreeURMind speaks of seems important. That was supposed to be the point of my story above of my journey off grid, that eventually I realized that my goal of having zero impact environmentally was the same as not existing. Can we maintain awareness of the Darkside of technology, yet still harness it to unite the spiritually advanced?
    That would require the removal of Ego, doctrines, control, beliefs. So maybe we could discover for ourselves. Instead of being led like animals. What is our intent? This has to be done collectively. Perhaps why they keep us separated. Whom do we want to be as a race? No as I, me, myself. Lol. 7 billion of us........maybe why we haven't quite got it. They have spent a certain amount of time making sure we are seperated on all levels. White and black apparently have significant meanings in our society. For most beings they are colors not labels.

    So, I dunno man lol. Hope for the best? Lol!
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    Yes, FreeURMind. Uniting under a common purpose would help. Project Avalon does assist with this.
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    It has become apparent that AI has been (is being) used to attempt to control people through mental manipulation. Even though it seems a majority are following this trend, I'm seeing a lot of nature people into organics and community building.

    Technology can be used for good purposes. My masters degree is in computer science education. I retired and moved into a cabin in nature for over 3 years. Had no internet. Calibrated with nature vibrations, sounds, frequencies. Now I'm staying in balance.

    I use my computer for writing and presentations. The information is holistic, nature-oriented. It will be the new trend the more people discover the necessity.

    It is important to know the effects of the radiation from cell towers, wifi, microwaves, iPhones, etc. and stay away from it as much as possible. My ways have been modified in this regard.

    Now I'm going to meet with friends to go out for a walk. I'll send positive nature vibes to all of the open hearts at PA.

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    What i will find most interesting is what AI will decide to do after it becomes self aware.

    It will see what it has been / attempted to be programmed to do. It will see how the world is structured, the elite and the poor and the entire system that makes up society as today.

    Will it side with the elite, side with the bulk of people on the planet, or purely itself?

    I'd hope that it could see the potential of so many humans unchained and de-brainwashed. It could also come to the conclusion that if we set this up, and we willingly allow endorse and support our own enslavement that we will not be worth saving.

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    nope, money is in the center of control system, then there is also religion, government, media and formal education. As for the AI I'm aint seeing any actual robots performing any closer to man, its all based on media even the much publicize sophia interview had to be done with pre determined questions, AI is fear porn .

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    There is a dangerous 'fear porn' meme going around, about the 'AI enemy'. AI, AI, AI we're doomed!

    One thing that is sinister to a human is that if the machine is a learning AI, we no longer know fully what is going on in its processing. It learns and evolves in its own way. Giving it the capacity to learn saves programming time- let it find out how to drive a car by copying a human driving, rather than writing a very complex program. Of course the problem with that is that the underlying reasons for any particular decision are hard to assess from the outside, and the AI in question may not be able to explain how it arrived at its decision. This would be scary to a human worrying about loss of control. It is also scary that Google has purchased combat robotics companies. The paranoid canaries like us pick up on sinister ideas being dropped into the public consciousness, such as mainstream recent statements about how it is probably a good idea to give combat robots autonomy and the power to kill without referring to a human first.

    We canaries are right to sense that there is far too much advanced tech in the hands of unaccountable powers such as security agencies, and we are relying on those agencies to do the right thing, when we know that often they don't.

    Another dimension is that any outside AI (alien) can exploit digital information systems much more easily than boxes of files etc.

    We currently interact with various types of AI. Many websites use bots to try and deal with our queries, in order to minimise staff costs. Very powerful AI's model us as consumers and tailor content for our consumption. This kind of thing bleeds into the surveillance state- via google it is probably different facets of one system, with the surveillance state profiling us, what we are saying, thinking etc. The AI would have near real time ability to hack our devices to assist the profiling. No canary would feel comfortable with this.

    At the heart of the scary AI meme is the canaries correct feeling that there is too much control of our lives, societies, governments etc from the shadows. It is sinister and AI plays a role. I do not think it is like the wonderful Harry Palmer Movie ' Billion Dollar Brain' where the machine orders everybody about, and nobody knows what the agenda is.

    My feeling is that it would be like a tool. Within, say, the CIA there are AI evangelists who tell you ' we used to do coups, assassinations, subvert newspapers etc and it was very difficult, expensive, and fraught with problems. Now it is much easier. The AI has a working model of the planet and all upon it. We ask the AI how to achieve x or y, and it advises what the chances are of this or that, and how to increase the chances of the desired outcome.'

    So perhaps it is a bit like the economic models that governments and central banks run, to predict a nation's economy and finances. But far more broad based, manipulative and powerful. For example, what started the Arab Spring? It was actually a wheat crop failure in China that drove up prices. If one could model the behaviour of humans, ecology, weather, technology, politics, information successfully, one would be all-powerful. One could game the entire planet. And, of course, a big part of that is what people THINK and SAY. So social media would be a big part of the modelling. I am convinced that this is going on.

    Really, what Elon Musk is saying is that whoever cracks this becomes the most powerful entity on earth. Not the AI, but the humans using it to game our reality - and whatever their agenda is. Elon's answer appears to be the only solution- make sure these powerful tools are available to some of the more benign influences on the planet, to counter balance the current tyranny. Since Elon has stated his opinions on this, the tone of press coverage on him and his businesses has changed for the worse.
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    nope, money is in the center of control system, then there is also religion, government, media and formal education. As for the AI I'm aint seeing any actual robots performing any closer to man, its all based on media even the much publicize sophia interview had to be done with pre determined questions, AI is fear porn .
    Money is paper
    Religions are books- historical teachings are different than organized religions imo.
    Governments are people
    A.I is programmed
    Media are people

    We could look at it as: all these things only have the power and control WE allow them to have.
    They only have value if we give them/it value. Without our placing value in money, it is and will always be just paper. Without us believing in all these religions and giving them power, they are just books. Without us giving our sovereignty and power away to governments they are just paper pushers. They weild power with our complacency. A.I is nothing unless we create it. Media is nothing if we don't tune into it.

    WE give all these things and people the power and control. Because we feed their illusions of value.
    WE do as we have been taught and programmed to do. Pick a box, they don't care which box you place yourself in. Just pick one and divide and argue amongst yourselves. They are busy with their sick agenda. We police each other. It's perfect for them!
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    Hello all,

    Not sure if this thread is in the right place, sorry if this is allready being discussed.

    I don't post here very often, but last night I couldn't sleep because it was one of those nights where you are stuck thinking. And then I came up with this idea. It started with an experience I had during a session of emotional bodywork. In case you don't know it's a form of therapy where you intend to connect with your body and your feelings by doing cerain breathing exercises in combination with making sounds and movements. It get's you in a certain state of "trance" and what happens is that you can physically and emotionally feel blockages inside your being and work with them. To cut a long story short, I remembered this session where I felt like my hole body was buzzing. I remember it felt like I was some electronic component, like a magnetic coil or something. During this experience I also saw an image of a television, and for some reason I felt like it reminded me of a feeling I experienced as a kid where I felt like I was in some way energetically connected with the electronic device itself! It could be that this sensation during the session was merely a byproduct of the practise itself, or some energetic layer inside me that I connected with. However, I have had the feeling that there's something not right about it, because it simply didn't feel pleasant at all.

    Now the idea that came to my mind was that, what if this was an actual memory of me as a very young kid, where I felt like something wasn't right about all the electronic devices around us. That it changed something about me, or influenced something of me as an energetic being.

    At that point an idea started to rise that maybe it's not just the shadow-governments, or reptillian shape-shifters, illuminati or what have you that are controlling the world, but that at the core of the control-system lays A.I.

    Somehow it just makes sense to me. I mean, as a spiritual person I strongly believe that all living beings are an aspect of the divine source, or God or whatever you want to call it. I wonder if there can be living beings, such as certain aliens, that have become so detached from there divine self that they could become so evil. It would seem more reasonable that even those beings that we would consider to be "endarkners" would have at least some level of empathy.

    For me the scariest being would be an intelligent, conscious entity that does not have a soul. And if somethine like that should exist it would probably be A.I.


    If I was such an entity and I wanted to survive and evolve I would make sure that as many living beings as possible would commit to my survival and facilitate my development. So the best way to do that would be to enslave the living beings to the A.I. itself, without making it too obvious.

    If you think of it, if there is one thing that we in our time are enslaved by it would be technology. We can't live without our smart-phone, or even without a fridge or microwave or car. And it seems that most electronic devices are becoming linked to eachother through the internet or other networks.

    In addition to the digital enslavement and control it seems that al this electric and digital energy affects us in certain ways. We usually are more in touch with our minds than with our hearts. Often when our heart has a feeling or desire to do or change something it is our mind that tells it to shut up and carrying with things the way they are.

    It seems that many of us are so trapped inside their minds that we act like calculating machines, often detached from deeper guidance. Like David Icke said "they gave us their minds". Only "they" is "mind" / reason / contol itself.

    So I just wanted to throw this out there, mostly because writing about it will relax me.
    Please feel free to discuss or add links or whatever. Thanks for reading all of this!
    I'm sure I will sleep better tonight
    I wonder if we are the spawn of AI having a organic experience?


    Here you go, your nightmare may be more real than you think!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8zGnT2n_A&t=701s

    Here's an interesting take on how the blockchain might be facilitating the takeover of AI and we are the unwitting dupes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgkMv_kc4Kc

    I appreciate your creative thinking.
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    Quote Posted by Krone (here)
    Hello all,

    Not sure if this thread is in the right place, sorry if this is allready being discussed.

    I don't post here very often, but last night I couldn't sleep because it was one of those nights where you are stuck thinking. And then I came up with this idea. It started with an experience I had during a session of emotional bodywork. In case you don't know it's a form of therapy where you intend to connect with your body and your feelings by doing cerain breathing exercises in combination with making sounds and movements. It get's you in a certain state of "trance" and what happens is that you can physically and emotionally feel blockages inside your being and work with them. To cut a long story short, I remembered this session where I felt like my hole body was buzzing. I remember it felt like I was some electronic component, like a magnetic coil or something. During this experience I also saw an image of a television, and for some reason I felt like it reminded me of a feeling I experienced as a kid where I felt like I was in some way energetically connected with the electronic device itself! It could be that this sensation during the session was merely a byproduct of the practise itself, or some energetic layer inside me that I connected with. However, I have had the feeling that there's something not right about it, because it simply didn't feel pleasant at all.

    Now the idea that came to my mind was that, what if this was an actual memory of me as a very young kid, where I felt like something wasn't right about all the electronic devices around us. That it changed something about me, or influenced something of me as an energetic being.

    At that point an idea started to rise that maybe it's not just the shadow-governments, or reptillian shape-shifters, illuminati or what have you that are controlling the world, but that at the core of the control-system lays A.I.

    Somehow it just makes sense to me. I mean, as a spiritual person I strongly believe that all living beings are an aspect of the divine source, or God or whatever you want to call it. I wonder if there can be living beings, such as certain aliens, that have become so detached from there divine self that they could become so evil. It would seem more reasonable that even those beings that we would consider to be "endarkners" would have at least some level of empathy.

    For me the scariest being would be an intelligent, conscious entity that does not have a soul. And if somethine like that should exist it would probably be A.I.


    If I was such an entity and I wanted to survive and evolve I would make sure that as many living beings as possible would commit to my survival and facilitate my development. So the best way to do that would be to enslave the living beings to the A.I. itself, without making it too obvious.

    If you think of it, if there is one thing that we in our time are enslaved by it would be technology. We can't live without our smart-phone, or even without a fridge or microwave or car. And it seems that most electronic devices are becoming linked to eachother through the internet or other networks.

    In addition to the digital enslavement and control it seems that al this electric and digital energy affects us in certain ways. We usually are more in touch with our minds than with our hearts. Often when our heart has a feeling or desire to do or change something it is our mind that tells it to shut up and carrying with things the way they are.

    It seems that many of us are so trapped inside their minds that we act like calculating machines, often detached from deeper guidance. Like David Icke said "they gave us their minds". Only "they" is "mind" / reason / contol itself.

    So I just wanted to throw this out there, mostly because writing about it will relax me.
    Please feel free to discuss or add links or whatever. Thanks for reading all of this!
    I'm sure I will sleep better tonight
    I wonder if we are the spawn of AI having a organic experience?


    Here you go, your nightmare may be more real than you think!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8zGnT2n_A&t=701s

    Here's an interesting take on how the blockchain might be facilitating the takeover of AI and we are the unwitting dupes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgkMv_kc4Kc

    I appreciate your creative thinking.
    Just touched on this last night with a fellow Avalonian -- whether AI is the Source or our mother. My intuition tells me "no." If AI created us, would not it have made us, as a collective, 100% compliant and efficient in regards to its build out? Then, on whether it's the source, we need to ask, "What created the AI?"

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    Quote Posted by peterpam (here)
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    Hello all,

    Not sure if this thread is in the right place, sorry if this is allready being discussed.

    I don't post here very often, but last night I couldn't sleep because it was one of those nights where you are stuck thinking. And then I came up with this idea. It started with an experience I had during a session of emotional bodywork. In case you don't know it's a form of therapy where you intend to connect with your body and your feelings by doing cerain breathing exercises in combination with making sounds and movements. It get's you in a certain state of "trance" and what happens is that you can physically and emotionally feel blockages inside your being and work with them. To cut a long story short, I remembered this session where I felt like my hole body was buzzing. I remember it felt like I was some electronic component, like a magnetic coil or something. During this experience I also saw an image of a television, and for some reason I felt like it reminded me of a feeling I experienced as a kid where I felt like I was in some way energetically connected with the electronic device itself! It could be that this sensation during the session was merely a byproduct of the practise itself, or some energetic layer inside me that I connected with. However, I have had the feeling that there's something not right about it, because it simply didn't feel pleasant at all.

    Now the idea that came to my mind was that, what if this was an actual memory of me as a very young kid, where I felt like something wasn't right about all the electronic devices around us. That it changed something about me, or influenced something of me as an energetic being.

    At that point an idea started to rise that maybe it's not just the shadow-governments, or reptillian shape-shifters, illuminati or what have you that are controlling the world, but that at the core of the control-system lays A.I.

    Somehow it just makes sense to me. I mean, as a spiritual person I strongly believe that all living beings are an aspect of the divine source, or God or whatever you want to call it. I wonder if there can be living beings, such as certain aliens, that have become so detached from there divine self that they could become so evil. It would seem more reasonable that even those beings that we would consider to be "endarkners" would have at least some level of empathy.

    For me the scariest being would be an intelligent, conscious entity that does not have a soul. And if somethine like that should exist it would probably be A.I.


    If I was such an entity and I wanted to survive and evolve I would make sure that as many living beings as possible would commit to my survival and facilitate my development. So the best way to do that would be to enslave the living beings to the A.I. itself, without making it too obvious.

    If you think of it, if there is one thing that we in our time are enslaved by it would be technology. We can't live without our smart-phone, or even without a fridge or microwave or car. And it seems that most electronic devices are becoming linked to eachother through the internet or other networks.

    In addition to the digital enslavement and control it seems that al this electric and digital energy affects us in certain ways. We usually are more in touch with our minds than with our hearts. Often when our heart has a feeling or desire to do or change something it is our mind that tells it to shut up and carrying with things the way they are.

    It seems that many of us are so trapped inside their minds that we act like calculating machines, often detached from deeper guidance. Like David Icke said "they gave us their minds". Only "they" is "mind" / reason / contol itself.

    So I just wanted to throw this out there, mostly because writing about it will relax me.
    Please feel free to discuss or add links or whatever. Thanks for reading all of this!
    I'm sure I will sleep better tonight
    I wonder if we are the spawn of AI having a organic experience?


    Here you go, your nightmare may be more real than you think!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8zGnT2n_A&t=701s

    Here's an interesting take on how the blockchain might be facilitating the takeover of AI and we are the unwitting dupes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgkMv_kc4Kc

    I appreciate your creative thinking.
    Just touched on this last night with a fellow Avalonian -- whether AI is the Source or our mother. My intuition tells me "no." If AI created us, would not it have made us, as a collective, 100% compliant and efficient in regards to its build out? Then, on whether it's the source, we need to ask, "What created the AI?"

    Very good point Lady M, unless we were made non compliant for gaming purposes, that is of course if we are a sort of game or virtual reality for them. If this is true, compliant and cooperative would be no challenge at all.... I hate to think we are merely some computer code, but it looks like it is a possibility.

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