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    Default Matt Damon Makes Some Very Reasonable Comments About Sexual Harassment...

    ...and he's getting absolutely skewered.

    I'm having a hard time grasping this. This is honestly the most reasonable reaction I've heard about this whole mess. But people are really giving him hell.

    What am I missing?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0ff955ad2369c

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    Default Re: Matt Damon Makes Some Very Reasonable Comments About Sexual Harassment...

    It's worth reading. His continuum/ spectrum analogy seems yes, pretty reasonable.

    A note, not reported in the HuffPost article, which is worth bearing in mind: British actress Minnie Driver (who appeared to be very critical of his remarks) was an item for a short while with Matt Damon after they'd both starred in Good Will Hunting. But the relationship didn't last all that long.

    Apparently, and I can't remember where I read this (but it may be easy to find), Minnie Driver was pretty upset... and maybe, 20 years later, still is.

    The problem with ANY celebrity trying to say something about this kind of thing that's not a PR-crafted one-liner, is that literally every word will be dissected and scrutinized to pieces by the Hollywood media, and very possibly distorted and/or reported out of context. It'd be VERY hard for almost anyone to say anything that (a) contains truth and (b) is deemed as acceptable. That may be exactly why a lot of celebs stay silent.

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    Understanding the Marxist agenda helps provide context for the hysteria! The idea that the Soros funded social justice warriors can remove anyone from public office (anyone they disagree with) simply by the hysteria of accusation alone. Joseph Farrell warned against it in his latest vidchat. Catherine Austin Fitts warned against it recently. And Paul Joseph Watson Released a video on the topic, where he brings up the idea of the post-democratic world, a world where logic and rationality are thrown out of the window in favour of hypocritically rabid moral idealism (I.e. where ‘hissy fits’ triumph over logic)

    It fits well within the Clare Graves level 6 character development archetype, they don’t want to hear reason, they just want to hear their own opinions regurgitated to them in an Echo chamber of banality and get offended when someone has a reasoned response that disagrees with their position.


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    Default Re: Matt Damon Makes Some Very Reasonable Comments About Sexual Harassment...



    Personally I have no opinion, this is my attitude towards it...



    but I'll put my PC hat on and give pulling apart some of his statements a shot (not my opinions, I know what he meant, just pointing out what they're possibly on about).

    Quote The Oscar-winning actor, who got his big break when Weinstein picked up his film “Good Will Hunting,” spoke with ABC News’ Peter Travers on Thursday. During their chat, he addressed the allegations against the fallen producer with a certain lack of clarity about what he himself knew.

    “Nobody who made movies for him knew. …
    Putting this in the context of this -

    Quote Matt Damon — a man who disclaimed any knowledge of Harvey Weinstein’s alleged misdeeds and then admitted he knew the producer had harassed Gwyneth Paltrow
    and the rest of his statement, this is a shady statement. How does he know that? He's talked to everyone who made movies for him and none of them knew?

    But -

    Quote He added: “I knew I wouldn’t want him married to anyone close to me. But that was the extent of what we knew, you know? And that wasn’t surprising to anybody. So when you hear Harvey this, Harvey that — I mean, look at the guy. Of course he’s a womanizer. … I mean, I don’t hang out with him.”
    So basically he's saying he (and everyone else who made movies for him) didn't know but his statements suggest they had a pretty good idea.

    Quote “I do believe that there’s a spectrum of behavior,” he said. “And we’re going to have to figure out — you know, there’s a difference between, you know, patting someone on the butt and rape or child molestation, right? Both of those behaviors need to be confronted and eradicated without question, but they shouldn’t be conflated, right?”
    They won't like that, he's not supposed to be sensible, he's supposed to be outraged and admonish all such behaviour as monstrous.

    Quote In the case of Kevin Spacey, he thinks director Ridley Scott — who dropped Spacey from “All the Money in the World” after he was accused of sexual misconduct — made a smart “business decision.”

    “Ridley has a big movie coming out … and nobody right now is in the mood to see a Kevin Spacey movie,” Damon said.

    “And I don’t disagree with his decision to do that,” he added. “I mean, that movie, I think, will do much better without Kevin in it.”
    OK, this one was just dumb, he was supposed say something like it's good that Spacey was dropped because he's a gross sleaze ball.

    Overall, from that article (including the end not quoted here), you get the impression his tolerance for sleaze balls is too high and that he's unsuccessfully trying to smooth that and sexual misconduct over and that he sympathises with men getting their names ruined for behaviour that doesn't warrant it.
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    Default Re: Matt Damon Makes Some Very Reasonable Comments About Sexual Harassment...

    This is beginning to feel orchestrated to me. I'm not suggesting for one moment sexual harassment isn't occurring; I'm simply saying that it appears that the situation is being exploited now. "They" saw a dry nest of hay, and now they've tossed a match on to it.

    It started out with Weinstein. The guy truly is a monster. The stories were absolutely horrifying. A world class piece of sh!t. I was cheering just as loudly as everyone else when he got exposed.

    Then we had Kevin Spacey. Highly, highly disturbing. A twisted predator. Perhaps sociopathic. The resume wasn't quite as bad as Weinstein's, but it hardly mattered. Some unforgivable actions by a sick man. Again, I was cheering when he was exposed.

    ...and then the other domino's began to fall. And I began to feel like I was being emotionally manipulated.

    Dustin Hoffman, Louis CK, Charlie Rose etc....but with each offense being sometimes a little and sometime a lot less egregious than the previous offense.

    And now it's all the way down to 'so n so grabbed my butt 40 years ago'. It almost feels like someone or something is running out of material in a contrived scheme to cause division between the sexes. What's happening, as Damon rightfully pointed out, is that all these offenses are getting conflated, and the butt pinchers are becoming synonymous with the rapists.

    It's very dangerous territory.

    We know when political correctness has sunk it's teeth into a situation when one can't even make a simple, true statement about something without getting hung. We're seeing this with Damon now.

    It's interesting to me how the when and where of events affects things. How the political and social climate affects things. I recall Rob Lowe getting arrested back in the 90's for having sex with an underage girl. And he taped it! Of course he said he thought she was older and so on. He never went to jail. He did some community service and the requisite crying on Opera and got off scott free. The guy is regarded today as a great guy, and a TV and movie icon.

    Mike Tyson. Convicted of rape. Spent several years in prison. This guy recently had a one man show on Broadway. He's a regular on the late night tv circuit. He's a boxing promoter. He's a national treasure.

    Floyd Mayweather. Arrested for domestic violence. Has a long history of this stuff. His fight with Conor MacGregor just did record numbers. The second highest grossing fight on American soil I believe.

    What if these guys all did these things in the last several months? They'd be done. Toast. Kaput. Over. Why didn't we see the dominos fall then? Why now? These are the questions I'm asking myself as all this unfolds

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    @ Rachel, I think you're exactly right in everything you said. Much more intelligent than my own post!

    It was the 'spectrum' analogy that caught my attention, and I do think there's a lot of truth to that. Not all offenses are of equal magnitude.

    But, of course, an offense is still an offense. One can seriously offend someone with crass, thoughtless remarks or actions, and that's not okay. However, it really IS a fact that that's not the same as rape.

    It's the deliberate conflating (mixing up) of anyone who seems to be out of line in even a small way, with the very serious, evil, criminal molesters, that's an additional confusing factor in trying to make sensible sense of all this.

    * And, btw, I might dare to say that the same applies when discussing any form of prejudice, including racism.
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    Default Re: Matt Damon Makes Some Very Reasonable Comments About Sexual Harassment...

    Hey Bill, I read that too (about Driver) And I appreciate you pointing it out. It's a perfectly valid point to make. But could you imagine if Damon made it?

    @Rach: yep, I totally agree with the Spacey segment of that article. He didn't do too well there. No doubt about it. Having said that, I'd love to see the whole interview in it's entirety. There were a couple instances in that article where I felt context might have been distorted

    @Jayke: That second paragraph of yours that begins, "they don't want to hear logic or reason" hits it right on the head.

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    @ Rachel, I think you're exactly right in everything you said. Much more intelligent than my own post!

    It was the 'spectrum' analogy that caught my attention, and I do think there's a lot of truth to that. Not all offenses are of equal magnitude.

    But, of course, an offense is still an offense. One can seriously offend someone with crass, thoughtless remarks or actions, and that's not okay. However, it really IS a fact that that's not the same as rape.

    It's the deliberate conflating (mixing up) of anyone who seems to be out of line in even a small way, with the very serious, evil, criminal molesters, that's an additional confusing factor in trying to make sensible sense of all this.

    * And, btw, I might dare to say that the same applies when discussing any form of prejudice, including racism.


    Couldn't agree more.

    Rachel's post was spot on, but I too was thinking more about the conflation bit.

    How can anyone dispute the rationality of that statement???

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    Default Re: Matt Damon Makes Some Very Reasonable Comments About Sexual Harassment...

    There is nothing worse than the shout of rughtousissness. My Soul comes from I Brasíl, finding all the loopholes in that. Control is always a figment..gone....and firmament sworn.

    The true walk, well, that would be between me a Bill Ryan first off. Would that suit you?? Walk my shoes for a little bit?

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    Default Re: Matt Damon Makes Some Very Reasonable Comments About Sexual Harassment...

    Well, a man would put his hand on a woman shoulder, in English Canada, it would be considered impolite. He would kiss a woman on the cheek, it would be considered quite unappropriate. In Quebec, both would be alright as long as you are co-workers and acquaintances.

    In France, it is considered alright to flirt a bit, in fact it is not manly not to flirt a bit.

    In Mexico and Turkey, you must flirt if you are a man, it is the culture, otherwise men AND women will wonder why you aren't a little bit flirtatious.

    Where do we draw the line?

    To me, we draw the line where there is force involved and rape and molestation (repetitive harassment behavior).

    But, there is a lot of intolerance as well and men are getting scared of any interaction with women, scared of being misinterpreted. At least in Quebec where lots of people want to be politically correct

    Is that what we, women, want? Have our men scared of interacting with us? of course no!

    I think that we have to redraw the lines very clearly in all of our societies. Some of those lines being a clear no for rape and child abuse. And here, in Quebec and Canada, increase the penalties for those crimes, have a clear message (some child rapist have between 1 and 4 years in jail here, never more, this is scandalous, same for rape).

    Then we have to redesign what is for us molestation and sexual harassment. Up to us, as societies, to decide.
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    Quote Posted by Niamh Hy Brasil (here)
    There is nothing worse than the shout of rughtousissness. My Soul comes from I Brasíl, finding all the loopholes in that. Control is always a figment..gone....and firmament sworn.

    The true walk, well, that would be between me a Bill Ryan first off. Would that suit you?? Walk my shoes for a little bit?
    That's the second post of yours today which I don't think I understood. (The first, I most definitely didn't. )

    If you're referring to what might be learned by the kind of 'transplant' or magical insight that would enable a man to really experience what it's like to be a woman — and ideally vice versa! — then, yes, that's been a theme of a lot of creative invention.

    One poor, comedic attempt at that (but still a little thought-provoking) was the 2000 Mel Gibson / Helen Hunt film, What Women Want. Mel Gibson's character, an arrogant, compulsive womanizer, has an injury that leads him to be suddenly 100% fully one-way telepathic with every women he meets. The huge new insights he gains are quite fun to watch.

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    Default Re: Matt Damon Makes Some Very Reasonable Comments About Sexual Harassment...

    Excellent post Flash. Thanks. You've illustrated perfectly how layered this can be.

    Any of you guys ever work in a restaurant? OMG, on my first restaurant job this older woman goosed me (from the front!) so hard that I had to go to the bathroom to make sure everything was still there! Everyone just thought that was the funniest thing. It kinda tripped me out. But I was a young guy and I looked around and saw everyone laughing and just sort of tried to forget about it..

    ..until the next day. It happened again and again and again and again. You see, it was *normal* there. It was an accepted part of the culture of that place. And you know what? It became normal to me too over time. It's a small space, you're seeing the same people day in and day out, and it's pretty intimate. People were groping and getting groped constantly. No one got fired. The manager was just as guilty as everyone else...

    ..which brings up an interesting point: who is deciding what is appropriate and what isn't? why is something appropriate over here and not over there? why is it appropriate a year ago but not now? and so forth...

    Obviously the Weinsteins and Spaceys etc are crossing lines. They're obliterating lines. They exist in a universe where there are no lines. But if we allow space for Damon's continuum/spectrum analogy, these lines can get a little blurred.

    I was joking with a friend the other day that if I ever became famous it would be the quickest 15 mins of fame ever if my restaurant career was considered. I never did anything worse than pinch some butts, but somehow I can see a group of angry women next to Gloria Allred, declaring me twisted and perverse for my harmless actions of 20 yrs ago. I can envision reporters shoving mikes in my face, and me saying something like "but everyone did it! they pinched my butt first!" which would almost certainly be followed by some feminist psychologist labeling me sick and coldly unrepentant.......................

    By all means, nail these sleezeballs to the wall. I just hope everyone leaves a space for reason where it is required

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    Agree with Mike. Something about the timing of all this stinks. In the larger picture almost every few weeks we have new bombs thrown at us. I guess the transgender project to emasculate men is not going as fast or proving as popular as the elites had hoped. They're in a hurry for chaos so why not weaponize the female of the species. She will just need to open her mouth and a life/family can be ruined.

    What is more emasculating for a man than to not find employment and not be able to provide for his family? That can happen with just the initial accusation without even a conviction.

    I'm giving the article a few grains of salt as it feels choppy/edited in some places but in general I don't have a problem with Damon's thoughts. My problem like many of you is how he is being treated for his thoughts.

    Btw, the elites really want a female in the white house - contenders thus far, Michelle, Haley, gillibrand. A campaign with them running against men would be so predictable. But though it's someways down the line at this point the thought of them running against eachother and hopefully watch them tear eachother up is my only pleasant thought on this, our latest contrived dramarama...

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    Soooooooooo, how's the investigation into the Clinton Foundation going? Or the Las Vegas shooting? Or the many other corrupt government cover-ups that are happening? Yesterdays news for most of the USA.

    Diversionary tactics at work again. I'm not saying these types of things shouldn't be looked into and prosecuted when necessary. But I am saying, look at the media frenzy about this stuff. It's a classic HEY EVERYBODY. LOOK OVER HERE!!! "Now we'll just steal you blind, pass more laws that imprison you even tighter, and even murder you if we have to. And if somebody begins to notice, .... well, no big deal. We'll just trot out another diversion to take the spotlight off of what we're really doing.

    Remember, the media is mostly controlled by the bad guys.
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    Default Re: Matt Damon Makes Some Very Reasonable Comments About Sexual Harassment...

    Tried again here too.

    They don't understand what I was tying to show them.

    When yout think you know everything told to by experts, scientists, historians etc

    Can you learn and understand anything from a different perspective.

    How long have they been in this box?
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    Reasonableness fades when faced with heavy weaponizing fundings...


    George Soros funding the rise of #MeToo in effort to unseat Trump


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    Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:58 UTC


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    "Their disturbing allegations came to light before the post-Weinstein era of accountability for sexual misconduct and the rise of the #MeToo movement."

    A far-left activist group funded by George Soros is readying the women who accused President Donald Trump of sexual misconduct to demand a congressional investigation. The women had made their accusations just before the November 2016 election.

    The women will speak on Monday at 10:30 a.m. ET to call for "accountability and an investigation by Congress of sexual misconduct." They had accused Trump of "groping, fondling, forcibly kissing, humiliating and harassing women."

    The press conference was announced in a statement obtained by CBS News:
    Women who have publicly accused President Trump of sexual harassment and assault will unite for the first time to speak out about their experiences on Monday, December 11, at 10:30 AM. At the press conference, hosted by Brave New Films, the women will call for accountability and an investigation by Congress of sexual misconduct by the president.

    The women will share their firsthand accounts of President Trump groping, fondling, forcibly kissing, humiliating and harassing women. They are among the at least sixteen women who have come forward to accuse the president of sexual misconduct. Their disturbing allegations came to light before the post-Weinstein era of accountability for sexual misconduct and the rise of the #MeToo movement.

    In November, Brave New Films released 16 women and Donald Trump, which tells the stories of the sixteen women who have publicly reported sexual harassment and assault by President Trump. These brave women have all spoken out individually. The video, which has been viewed over six million times, compiled their stories in one place for the first time. Now they are gathering in person to speak out and call for accountability.
    The group behind this obvious new attempt to force Trump out of the White House, Brave New Films, is a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization that claims to be "non-partisan" - a claim that becomes laughable upon a review of their donors and partners which include left-wing hit groups like Media Matters For America and Democracy For America.

    Brave New Films claims that they do not "expressly advocate for the election or defeat of candidates for public office," a statement that is not even remotely accurate looking at just some of the propaganda-style videos they created, including:

    One of Brave New Films' donors is Open Society Foundations, a leftist organization whose founder and chairman is George Soros, who has given "over $32 billion to fund the Open Society Foundations, which work in over 100 countries around the world."

    George Soros is a Democrat megadonor who "donated or committed more than $25 million to boost Hillary Clinton and other Democratic candidates and causes, according to Federal Election Commission records and interviews with his associates and Democratic fundraising operatives," Politico reported.

    In the wake of Trump's election win, Soros gave $18 billion to his Open Society Foundations, as he called for immediate action against Trump.

    "We must do something to push back against what's happening here," Soros said in November, as he warned of the "dark forces that have been awakened" by Trump's win.


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    Default Re: Matt Damon Makes Some Very Reasonable Comments About Sexual Harassment...

    I don't know how what Matt Damon said could be suggested to be "reasonable" ...
    (And unfortunately I don't have his comments in front of me to quote) ...


    Matt Damon very much shows us his concerns for the job losses -- i.e., financial loss to males. And also regrets the likely loss of the "gag" ruling.
    You hear it also when he speaks of Kevin Spacey without reflecting on his behaviors or judging them -- but in suggesting that he had to be left go "because no one would be in a mood to see a movie with Spacey in it..."
    NOT because of wrong-doing by Spacey which makes him unsuitable to be employed.

    And Matt shows very little interest in what actual behaviors were carried out by Weinsten -- or a friend of Damon's, Casey Affleck?

    But at the same time Matt Damon very much refuses to give that same consideration to the
    women who have been under threat of losing their own livelihood in acting over which Weinstein
    and many other powerful males have control.

    No a pat on the butt may not be much (though Matt Damon may feel differently if we were
    talking about his own daughters and what might one day be their creative work in films
    or at any other employment) ...

    BUT "a pat on the butt" isn't really what most of this behavior
    is about. This behavior ranges from these males exposing their penises to women and then ejaculating on them -- all by surprise -- and by cornering the women.
    It ranges to sexual assault and rape.

    In the case of Dustin Hoffman, we have in his days on stage with one of his accusers ... behavior
    which included his actually having his hand up the skirt of a female and at times actually
    penetrating her vagina with his fingers. This is a woman who suffered this behavior every day
    and night when she appeared on stage with Dustin Hoffman. Why didn't she speak out...
    evidently because she wanted to keep on acting in the play. And felt that her career could be ended by Hoffman.

    We also have proof now that in the case of Mira Sorvino and another actress that Weinstein
    actually hired investigators to SPY on the women who are accusing him -- what is that 90 women now?
    This story was carried in the New Yorker --
    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/we.../06/id/824483/
    New Yorker: Weinstein Hired Investigators to Spy on Accusers

    Again .. there is now absolute proof that very specifically Mira Sorvino and another accuser lost jobs
    and their careers suffered -- their livelihood suffered -- because of suggestions to other film makers
    that they were a "nightmare to work with."

    Let's also keep in mind that MIRAMAX should also be held responsible for signing a contract with Weinstein which carried a legal demand that should there be lawsuits filed against the firm for sexual indiscretions by Harvey Weinstein that Weinstein would be permitted to pay the COSTS of the lawsuit ... but that Miramax would take no further actions against him.

    This isn't something new -- this violence against women has been going on for tens of thousands of
    years. And women have responded in a non-violent revolution over all of that time by continuing to
    nurture and support males. NO male gets to this planet except through the body of a female.
    You are our lovers, our sons, our husbands -- and yet the war on women by men continues.

    This "war" on women is essentially inspired by organized patriarchal religion which underpins Elite
    patriarchy. "Christianity" serves male-supremacy while continuing to hold women as "inferior."

    And it must be recognized as a very violent "Christianity" which ... "Introduced the cross with the sword."
    This is the "Christianity" of "The Crusades" and of "The Inquisition" ...
    AND IT IS ALSO THE CHRISTIANITY OF THE WITCH HUNTS .. THE HAMMER OF WITCHES ...
    and it is finally the "Christianity" which labelled females as "witches" and then BURNED THEM AT THE STAKE
    over hundreds of years.

    We should also recognize that this religious violence was brought here as Papal Edicts which
    called for the "enslavement or killing" of Africans here and of native people here they labeled
    "pagans ... only fit to be fed to dogs."
    And after filling the soil of Europe with blood, they did the same here in stealing this land from the native people -- 112 million of them - in Genocide.

    This violence and male violence in general continues to be under-discussed if not ignored in
    our patriarchal societies.
    You have only to look at the news each day to see women being killed by their lovers, ex-husbands, husbands. Women in the US are 11X more likely than women in other wealthy countries to be murdered by a man with a gun.

    You'll also note -- that in a recent panel with Dustin Hoffman and others, including John Oliver...
    that he begins to comment on accusations and in his rambling he claims righteousness and a
    lack of wrong-doing as he describes a general atmosphere on the set where males are discussing ...
    "Did you have sex this weekend?" It suggests a kind of competition between males keeping score.
    Sadly, his ramblings were interrupted by Oliver.

    Meanwhile, keep in mind that Dustin Hoffman is also being accused by someone who was 16
    at the time that he began to have influence over her. She was a friend of Hoffman's daughter,
    Karina -- they attended the same school, as I recall.

    We really need to know what's going on in the minds of these men -- we need investigations.
    We can imagine where they are in their thinking -- and Mike here has shown us some of it.
    And it's bewildering ... because it is an effort to limit what is actually happening in these male
    behaviors.
    And an effort to suggest wisdom on Matt Damon's part where there isn't any ... in fact, it is more like duplicity, lies as Damon continues to suggest that he was unaware of Weinstein's
    behavior ... though we know he knew about Gweneth Paltrow's complaints against him ...
    and he also makes clear that he knew Weinstein was a "womanizer" and that he wouldn't want
    him involved with anyone in his family.
    How else might Matt Damon have known . . . . ?
    Because Matt tells us that he "knows the truth" about his friends ...
    and that actually includes Casey Affleck who also has behavior problems and
    accusations he's settled ....
    Either Matt is denying that these friends did anything wrong, or he is still supporting these men despite knowing the truth about them.

    Well, Matt Damon was responsible for trying possibly as much as ten years ago to PREVENT these
    stories about Weinstein from being published. And evidently he succeeded in stopping the stories
    from coming out. Did Matt do that without finding out what the stories actually said, or what the
    reports were going to be?
    And what does he have to say about that now?

    And there is much more for men and women to face in these issues....
    The oppression of women all over the world limits their ability to protect themselves or their children.
    Not only are women vulnerable to exploitation and violence and sexual abuse by men
    but so are the world's children.

    According to studies ... MALES are our sexual abusers of children.
    And they are heterosexual males. Heterosexual males are 100X MORE likely to sexually
    abuse a child than a homosexual male.

    Again - - THIS IS FAR FROM A LITTLE PAT ON THE ASS....
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    Default Re: Matt Damon Makes Some Very Reasonable Comments About Sexual Harassment...

    Bill -- This is a very disappointing post to read --

    You're obviously suggesting that Minnie Driver is criticizing Matt Damon's comments --
    not because he is wrong -- but because the romance with Matt didn't work out.

    We need the males here to actually DEAL with the accusations against these men.
    And there are many of them ... and they go beyond Hollywood.

    Time to listen to women -- long past time.
    And it's time to begin to look much more closely at the behavior of these men.

    Let's begin by looking at the behavior of Our Founders ... who, while proclaiming
    "All are equal" actually created an Elite Patriarchy here ...
    endowed them with land grants, gave them immense influence and control over
    our "people's" government, the nation's wealth and natural resources.

    Gave only males the right to vote.

    And the fact that we still do not have an Equal Rights Amendment for females here.

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    Let's hear from the 16 or more women accusing Trump --

    They should be allowed to testify.

    But by Trump's own admission he is the "Pussy Grabber" in the White House ...
    who is also running his own war on women since he took office.

    Not to mention that he's seemingly dead set on getting a nuclear war going.

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    Curious77, not sure if you’ve ever encountered Phyllis Chyslers work Women’s inhumanity to women, which suggests women are equally responsible for maintaining the patriarchy exactly as it is. Men commit physical violence, which is easy to see, yet the emotional violence women inflict on each other, and a lot of times even on their own daughters and children, can be just as soul destroying. The issue isn’t about men vs women (which is exactly the dividing tactic the elite want people to get blinded by). The issue is with low character developed humans trying to act out their depravities at the expense of the rest of us.

    As Phyllis Chysler points out in her work, women maintain the patriarchy by vying for position within the patriarchy, they want all the benefits that come from being with a man of higher patriarchal status, and emotionally tear to shreds any other woman that may challenge their rank (how many of Bill Clinton’s rape victims did Hillary Clinton actively destroy exactly?)

    Again, the work needs to be done by both men and women, playing the blame game and singling out one sex over the other isn’t going to change society in any meaningful way.
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    Default Re: Matt Damon Makes Some Very Reasonable Comments About Sexual Harassment...

    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    ...and he's getting absolutely skewered.

    I'm having a hard time grasping this. This is honestly the most reasonable reaction I've heard about this whole mess. But people are really giving him hell.

    What am I missing?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0ff955ad2369c
    First, Matt Damon does not have the right to decide what can be categorised as sexual harassment or not. Men may not dictate to women on this issue, in no way whatsoever, whenever!

    That being said, human beings are complex, communication and relationships between human beings are complex, with all sorts of issues on many levels affecting an individual's perceptions. I do feel sympathy for anyone trying to communicate on an intimate level with another as the potential for being misunderstood is huge!

    Personally, I have experienced the spectrum of sexual harrassment and my reaction has varied from paralysing shock to discomfort, frustration to idignation, fear to anger. (Shame and self-blame are very much part of what women deal with when confronted with sexual harrassment.)

    Here are some personal rules from me:
    1. Accept no (expressed by a frown, pulling back or a very clear verbal no) with graciousness, an apology for the misunderstanding and an effort to restore social harmony. Do not persist, verbally attack and insult me, gather a group of friends around you and spend the rest of the night mocking and insulting me.
    2. No touching is a safe choice, unless the situation calls for touching as appropriate (ok, don't scream here, but giving me a helping hand when scrambling over boulders on a wildreness hike is ok!). If you are trying to communicate interest by touching me, watch for my reaction and go back to rule 1!
    3. Staring at my breasts in a business meeting is never ok. Exercise control over your thoughts (try meditation at home) and let's focus on the budget, ok!
    4. If you are socially awkward, get some help because you can't go around insulting people without getting into huge trouble sooner or later. Social awkwardness is not an excuse, but most women can be tolerant and sympathetic within reason.

    Was that helpful or are you more confused?

    By the way, all the behaviours that I have revealed in my post above are sexual harrassment - no spectrum here!
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