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    Default Re: The Father of Psy-Ops: Sigmund Fraud

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    No - just the fact hypnosis exists I find very telling though. I looked up mesmerism and it pretty much means the same thing as hypnotism in general-speak.

    Repressed memories are a big thing, in my mind. I understand it's a defense mechanism of the mind, but at the same time (from the ass-hole perspective) I think that the repressed memories can be planted there too, or even faked. I could be wrong, but assuming I'm right - that sounds like a pretty basis for Psy-Op to me.


    From a different perspective... I feel like ALL music can be used for mind control purposes. I'm not saying that it IS mind control, just that it can be used as such.

    For example when every where I go a certain song is playing which in turn is triggering my memories and emotional responses - that's a Psy Op to me. Another example is having a song pop into my head, which in turn triggers associations and/or feelings. Maybe I even sing it out loud, and end up triggering someone else. I probably sound like a nut - but I'm positively certain music was/is being used against me (sometimes).
    The first sentence is a main part of my point--yes, exactly, mesmerism and hypnotism are conflated to look the same to outsiders. Like Judaism and Phariseeism and many, many examples. Mind control by removing and altering information. It is very difficult to figure these out. Our educational system is built of things like this; especially American History. Enormous vested interests do not want you to understand Mesmer or American History.

    Hypnotism runs everything, whether it is done in a special setting, via subliminal advertisements, or what people believe is the exercise of their free will in society. Unless cured, when two people see each other, they bathe in thousands of hypnotic suggestions at the speed of reflex.

    Music is the same. Control is a matter of degree. It is difficult to program a person to kill if they hear a certain song, but it is unavoidable to broadcast influences. To the subconscious, there is no memory loss. Whatever was repressed, sits there like an anchor. Pleasant or unpleasant. Some "random" person mentions a band or something and all the flavors associated with it come boiling through. In the ordinary person, this is considered normal, and they are influenced or outright controlled.

    It is entirely possible to achieve immunity. If one is not in complete control of one's mind, something else is. There must be a sense of responsibility for every single thought. It takes...a lot...to wash away the subconscious garbage, but it can be done.

    Just as there is not one person who would cause you to hear the same song in three different places, there is not one person hypnotizing you/me/us, it's a collective and functions constantly, never resting or tiring. Granted, some people like Bernays took it to a new level, and now it operates commercially from the lights in phones to addictive chemicals in the food. A Mongol who needs nothing but a horse under open sky is miles ahead towards relief than those who partake of commercialism.

    Anyone can get a good glimpse of Mesmerism with a domesticated cat. Just pet it. You may not be powerful enough to cure its cancer, but, if you can feel, you're feeling the basis of it.
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    It is entirely possible to achieve immunity. If one is not in complete control of one's mind, something else is. There must be a sense of responsibility for every single thought. It takes...a lot...to wash away the subconscious garbage, but it can be done.
    I'm dubious! I'd like to believe it's possible to be immune, but a part of me likens it to an allergy I cannot avoid.

    Thanks for your perspective on this shaberon, I didn't mean to subvert the topic either! Here we're supposed to be bashing Freud... and I'm trying to say Mesmer is even worse (ha ha). He's not though - and neither is Freud, the real "father of psy op" would have to know everything about psychology.... so theoretically.... how could it even be a person....

    It's difficult to believe we're even talking about the same thing in regards to hypnotism especially when I get to "hypnotism runs everything", I think of consciousness itself, and I can feel I'm getting closer.

    What IS consciousness? I can't define consciousness. If I look it up, it says 'the quality or state of being aware'. What's aware then? 'Having knowledge or perception...'

    Having knowledge, and being able to use it, sounds closer to what awareness means to me.

    Being responsible for one's own thoughts is very important in my mind too, that's essentially the same thing as being in control of myself. Problem is, there's times I don't trust myself and feel an unavoidable loss of control.

    Dreams are not hurting me, and so the loss of control in dreams doesn't concern me much. Planting triggers (via hypnosis or other means) which I cannot control is much more concerning! When it boils right down to it I feel as if I'm "at the mercy of psychology".

    It's difficult to think of a good example, mine are all too personal. Suffice to say, I have quite a few of what some might call "OCD triggers". No clucking like a chicken though (ha ha)

    Consider someone who has PTSD from being in a war, and sees something years later that triggers their memory. They re-live it then, and there's nothing they could have done to avoid it, at least I don't think so. Maybe they even kill a few people in the process. It's not related to hypnosis, just a naturally repressed memory, but I think it illustrates my point pretty well. Should they go to jail for murder? Maybe maybe not - but that's not the point. The point is, repressed memories are dangerous in more ways than one. And that one wasn't even put there on purpose.
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    Good perspective. These are the right kinds of issues to be looking at.

    Consciousness is the child of life-force interacting with matter.

    With the hypnosis, I mean it as a matter of degree. The full extent of which is the "session" where one person is rendered inert, then believes and follows *almost* anything the hypnotist says. It usually can't be something contradictory to the person's nature. In some ways, it is perhaps helpful. For instance, I once knew a master hypnotist who could do things like take someone crippled in a car accident, that doctors had been telling this patient for years would never walk again and...got them walking.

    But, that is not how it is used in general. The general form is closer to an animal herd mentality. Now, the mind is inherently pure and has no "I" or assumptions about reality, such as "I like this car". Those are all constructs. People build these and cling to them fiercely, as if they were real or important, but it's just illusion. General hypnosis flowing in from the population keeps you looking at cars and liking or disliking them. Once this flux is established, then you are blown like a leaf in the wind by Bernays. Politics magnifies it to the point of war. Politics is almost completely this kind of hypnosis.

    So then, yes, the real "father" is nature itself! And this is the unique position of a human being: the capability to distinguish nature's illusory tricks of the senses from the inherently pure mind. From this perspective, the mind of a "nice" person is actually still full of deceptions and errors, although it is in a better state to begin sorting this out, than a mind dragged by the whirlwind into hatred and greed.

    One of the things the Chinese used to do to some prisoners was to put them in a small cage with a starving tiger. The prisoner would either get terrified and confess to be released, or eaten. One of my masters from generations back was placed in such a cage and just sat there, fearless. Didn't move, didn't think. When the tiger attacked, he shoved his fist down the animal's throat and throttled it until it died. Another one of my associates took a root canal with no anesthesia. "Mind over matter", or the complete shattering of hypnotic influences such as "I am afraid". It is a complete reversal of the way the mind keeps churning out thoughts which are mostly self-oriented.

    Because people can kill tigers in one move, they certainly can become unaffected by advertising, politics, the actual military psy-ops, and so forth. Having an uncontaminated knowledge base also helps. I doubt there is anyone on this forum who can explain Eros or Ego because they have been degraded. I am not sure if it was the psychologists who changed them, but they are now unrecognizable. And our whole language has been intentionally manipulated the same way: turned downwards and outwards into the world of forms and things, and into the worship of false mental constructs such as what I like or what I want. So, in the way you described awareness, obtaining the right knowledge plus the ability to use it, is what we stand to gain.

    Where or what is the consciousness in dreamless sleep?
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    "SRA" stands for Satanic Ritual Abuse, I presume?




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