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    I think you cannot judge him without taking his social/cultural background into consideration.
    That's how I usually understand people I disagree with. Or, in an example like Thomas Jefferson, who was ardent about tyranny, never seemed to question slavery...in a lot of ways, it's like removing one set of blinders at a time.

    Compared to how "the insane" were often treated, Dorothea Dix was the real breakthrough pioneer.

    Maybe we can also say, "Hey, nervous rich lady, it's your own fault for employing Freud". It's usually pretty uncomfortable to answer ourselves about how we allowed ourself to be swindled, deceived, taken advantage of...

    In Freud's admission that he's basically an adventurer, that adventurism probably explains much more human behavior, than people who are devoted to some kind of ethical plan. I'd expect that if most people had the opportunity to get coked up and go around talking to people and writing papers, they would much rather do that, than what they actually do for a living.
    You do not seem fair to me here, nor for the women, nor for Freud. Starting with Freud, he was quite obviously a very unhappy man. God knows which secrets, apart from being coked which was not a secret at the time, which deep secrets he carried. Could be anything from having been beaten up as a youngster, having been rape or plainly being gay. Or yet, having a terrible wife. But he was obviously quite unhappy.

    He was also a man of his time: mysoginistic like most (I just finished listening to Marie Curie's live movie wow did she meet mysogynist man) - mysoginists means woman haters, I do not know if it is the proper word in English.

    And the woman were woman of their time too: often married young to men they did not want, who were fundamentally often chauvinistic pigs, bad at love making, with numerous mistresses or forced maids, rich wives having children with them they did not want either. And they had nobody to talk to about how prisoner like their life were. Plus, they had never met a man listening to them. Most women in such circumstances would have fallen for it, with or without sex.

    I have seen women in that situation in some countries, and they would come to speak to me because as a foreigner, they knew I would have nobody in their family or friend to report the conversation to. Never heard as many lovers stories as in that country. They needed to speak out about their husband and its mistresses, about their own hidden lover, etc.

    Everything always has to be seen within historical and cultural contexts (and often personal ones) before trying to pass any judgment, as long as people are in their ego, which is 99.9% of the population.
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    I never liked Freud. He looks like a menace in that picture! Put him together with the Mesmer dude and you got a pretty sweet Psy-Op going on

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    I suppose this thread is not meant to discuss Freud‘s theories in detail (there is not so much to discuss anymore - and anyway first it would require a lot of extensive reading) nor to focus on gossip and anecdotes of his intimate, personal life alone. I‘m curious where Herve wants it to go.

    There are two subjects I find most intriguing:

    1 Freud’s work was provocative and controversial from the beginning, it was ridiculed, fought against and disputed by opponents and dissidents (whether justly or not). But for the last two, three decades the critic‘s tone (esp. Frederick Crews) have become increasingly aggressive, personal attacking and irrationally malicious. Why? Is that on purpose, is there an agenda behind it and what would that be?

    2 In the mid-1890s Freud found out that repressed memory of early childhood sexual abuse and molestation experience (by family members) was responsible for many of his patient‘s mental (and physical) health problems. By 1897, due to the heavy social pressure he abandoned his findings and developed the theory that his patient’s (bodily) memories were mere fantasies and forbidden desires. To stick with and to defend his observations would have meant economical and social suicide. That‘s no excuse, but perhaps an explanation. Anyway patriarchal bourgeois society remained unharmed.

    Some say that the realization of the prevalence of sexual child abuse and its (individual and social) consequences plus the encounter of massive resistance contributed to his disease, cancer. (He was not able to tell what had to be said = permanent contraction of the jaw area = development of oral cancer. I know, this is a bit simplified.)

    Could there be a connection between these two themes?

    1. (Institutionalized) sexual Child abuse (as we know) is still widespread and rampant beneath the thin social surface and probably there‘s a millennia old agenda behind it (which the majority of perpetrators - as well as authors like Crews - might not be aware of).
    2. Any trace of Freud‘s findings must be destroyed, his observations discredited - although he personally had denied and abandoned it anyway. Crews latest book being the best example.

    I‘m aware that these thoughts sound a bit far-fetched, though it’d be too irritating to discard it.
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    REICH SPEAKS OF FREUD

    DR. EISSLER
    Do you think that Freud abandoned the libido theory?

    DR. REICH
    No. Never! Never! Only he couldn't find his way further. He was stuck. I believe the way was my way, the way I went so successfully. I had to go through character analysis, the emotions, the pleasure anxieties, the opposite directions of flow of bioenergy in the organism, from there to the plasmatic movement - yes, to the amoebia - and, then, into the orgone energy outside. Libido as a physical cosmic reality - that is my work. Freud provided the concept. This is where he came in. This, to my mind, was his greatest deed. He was a very great man, a very great man.

    http://lust-for-life.org/Lust-For-Li...1954_324pp.pdf

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    Quote Posted by Iloveyou (here)
    [...]
    ... I‘m curious where Herve wants it to go.
    [...]
    The direction stems from the title as a statement:

    Fraudulent propaganda/public relation representation of one's abilities to wealthy clients ---> Tavistock Institute ---> Psy-ops ---> Bernays' legacy derived from his uncle's work.

    If one wants to mobilize the patriots of a country, one only needs to tell them that the Babushkas are coming with pitch forks... errr.... "The Russians are coming!"

    In short, not much more of a message than: the Tavistock Institute hired the Fraud and derived its world-round psy-ops from that guy's work... a truer history of this world we are in, somewhat.
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    I suppose this thread is not meant to discuss Freud‘s theories in detail (there is not so much to discuss anymore - and anyway first it would require a lot of extensive reading) nor to focus on gossip and anecdotes of his intimate, personal life alone. I‘m curious where Herve wants it to go.

    There are two subjects I find most intriguing:

    1 Freud’s work was provocative and controversial from the beginning, it was ridiculed, fought against and disputed by opponents and dissidents (whether justly or not). But for the last two, three decades the critic‘s tone (esp. Frederick Crews) have become increasingly aggressive, personal attacking and irrationally malicious. Why? Is that on purpose, is there an agenda behind it and what would that be?

    2 In the mid-1890s Freud found out that repressed memory of early childhood sexual abuse and molestation experience (by family members) was responsible for many of his patient‘s mental (and physical) health problems. By 1897, due to the heavy social pressure he abandoned his findings and developed the theory that his patient’s (bodily) memories were mere fantasies and forbidden desires. To stick with and to defend his observations would have meant economical and social suicide. That‘s no excuse, but perhaps an explanation. Anyway patriarchal bourgeois society remained unharmed.

    Some say that the realization of the prevalence of sexual child abuse and its (individual and social) consequences plus the encounter of massive resistance contributed to his disease, cancer. (He was not able to tell what had to be said = permanent contraction of the jaw area = development of oral cancer. I know, this is a bit simplified.)

    Could there be a connection between these two themes?

    1. (Institutionalized) sexual Child abuse (as we know) is still widespread and rampant beneath the thin social surface and probably there‘s a millennia old agenda behind it (which the majority of perpetrators - as well as authors like Crews - might not be aware of).
    2. Any trace of Freud‘s findings must be destroyed, his observations discredited - although he personally had denied and abandoned it anyway. Crews latest book being the best example.

    I‘m aware that these thoughts sound a bit far-fetched, though it’d be too irritating to discard it.
    those are good questions.

    the problem with pedophilia, I dare say regular pedophilia not linked to satanism, is one of power over others from people who significantly lack emotional maturity, lack the capacity for intimacy with a peer, and whose physical desire are often not fulfilled one way or another.

    In other words, there are a lot of psychologically screwed up people who do not have the inner strenght to sustain relationships with equals in age or either who cannot abstain from physical impulses. Emotional repression has created lots of it.

    the second problem is one of learning through screwed up people in turn screwing up the younger ones. Pedophiles were often submitted to pedophiles themselves.

    Third, children do have sexual impulses entirely linked to their own body discovery and exploration that have nothing to do with adult sexuality as such. But, it is often confused with adult sexuality by those immature adults.

    And fourth, as sexuality is one of the strongest instinct in human beings and all mammalians, in fact all animals, when it is paired with devious behavior in whichever specie (learned devious behavior), and this is more efficient if at an early age, (pavlov's dogs but having sex instead of food as a reward linked with a bell for example) it is almost impossible to change because it is linked to a specie survival behavior, one of the strongest on the planet. So, because of this, little can be done to change a pedophile or a rapist.

    Finally, satanists and cabal know about this and use it extensively to make sure generations over generations are submitted to deviant sexual behavior because it is one of the best way to control a society on an individual basis as well as a collective one. Sexuality devoid of heart, affection and love.

    Hence the spreading of pornography, early sexual exposure and hyper sexualisation from toddlers on.(huge amount of energies are spent on devious sexual behavior helping the destruction of the social fabric).

    How are we going to cure such a whole society's sexuality devoid of love, I have no single idea!!!! With robots?? I do not think so. People are learning NOT to be responsible and mature beings, and mostly not to put efforts where needed for love to grow, sexuality within respect and appreciation being one of the main gate for real love.

    Freud, Reich and others were baiscally right on the importance of sexuality in human behaviors. The intricacies of their theories may have been skewed, but the basic importance of harmful behavior in sex is right, as well as the basic importance of sane early learnings about one's own body and later on one's sexuality, to be paired with protection, non selfish love and joy instead of repression and exploitation for a sane human adult was and is right.

    -----------------

    For Bernay's legacy in regards to his uncle's work, do not forget that Freud was Bernay's uncle by marriage to his wife who was a Bernay, not by direct blood relation.

    If I were repsonsible for all the misdeed of my ex husband family members, I would be not far from a satanist myself. And I am quite the opposite.

    So please, we should not confound situations. Bernays used the information of his time for his own delerious need for greed and power, that it be from an uncle through marriage relations or any other German citizen of the time.
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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    And, from here (<---):
    [...]
    According to some reputable researchers, Sigmund Freud was Tavistock's first director, followed by his daughter, who apparently still runs the facility.
    [...]

    Well, then a few last questions for now.

    Who were the reputable researchers and why are they not named, at least one of them? Even if it was true Freud being the first director, what kind of direct influence would a man, terminally ill, in his last year after fighting cancer for 15 years, have? He lived in London from June 38 until his death in Sept 39. When was the article last updated? The daughter died in 1982.

    Imo Freud and his name was used. Though I have no sympathy for his daughter and I consider the psychoanalytical establishment back then a bunch of unethical crazies. Just relating Freud himself directly to the business of Tavistock - something seems not quite right here.

    edit:
    He was in the early days (1938/39) one of the honorary vice-presidents of the Psychopathic Clinic (later the Portman Clinic), the clinical arm of the Tavistock Institute, according to their website.
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    Although I suspect it might be John Coleman, I couldn't find a reference for Freud as director of the Tavistock clinic or the Institute; it might have been an honorary title, but that doesn't explain his statue in front of the Clinic.


    Nemon's statue of Sigmund Freud, in front of the Tavistock Centre, London

    If anyone is interested in digging further, check this article: The Holiness of Sin: Freud, the Frankfurt School and the Kabbalah

    ... where one can find this:

    Quote The Tavistock Institute’s projects were a follow-up on the work of the Frankfurt School, a predominantly Jewish group of philosophers and Marxist theorists who fled Germany when Hitler shut down their Institut für Sozialforschung, “Institute for Social Research,” at the University of Frankfurt. The school’s main figures sought to learn from and synthesize the works of such varied thinkers as Kant, Hegel, Marx, Freud, Weber and Lukacs, and focusing on the study and criticism of culture developed from the thought of Freud.
    and the expression of their "thoughts" as already posted in the OP:
    I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is mass psychology... Its importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda. Of these the most influential is what is called "education." Religion plays a part, though a diminishing one; the press, the cinema, and the radio play an increasing part.... It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the State with money and equipment.
    …Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen.[2]

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    Digging in the article "The Holiness of Sin: Freud, the Frankfurt School and the Kabbalah" in conjunction with the quote from Rahkyt, here is the strike down of the stage as it's a wrap for the discontinued play:

    I can still recall vividly how Freud said to me,
    “My dear Jung, promise me never to abandon the sexual theory. That is the most essential thing of all. You see, we must make a dogma of it, an unshakable bulwark”

    … In some astonishment I asked him,

    “A bulwark-against what?”

    To which he replied,

    Against the black tide of mud

    —and here he hesitated for a moment, then added—

    of occultism.
    ~ Karl Gustav Jung, quoted here (<---)

    See?

    That's the mega Psy-op! That's the colossal cover up! The hiding of the actual source origin of these mental instabilities the "wealthy" clients were plagued with (the others had Bedlams).

    It's the "Nothing to see here, carry on!"

    Because... what was designed to remain hidden under a pseudo scientific cover/veil are/were all the side effects of the Frankist, Sabbatean, Kabbalah SRAs:
    Freud, when he was made aware of the Lurianic Kabbalah apparently exclaimed, “This is gold!” and asked why these ideas had never previously been brought to his attention.[13] Carl Jung, who had worked with Freud, commented approvingly on the Jewish mystical origins of Freudian psychoanalysis, stating that in order to comprehend the origin of Freud’s theories:
    …one would have to take a deep plunge into the history of the Jewish mind. This would carry us beyond Jewish Orthodoxy into the subterranean workings of Hasidism...and then into the intricacies of the Kabbalah, which still remains unexplored psychologically.[14]
    Freud’s theories were excessively concerned with sex and even incest, which is reflected in Sabbatean antinomianism. As Gershom Scholem noted, the Sabbateans were particularly obsessed with upturning prohibitions against sexuality, particularly those against incest, as the Torah lists thirty-six prohibitions that are punishable by "extirpation of the soul,” half of them against incest. Baruchiah Russo (Osman Baba), who in about the year 1700 was the leader of the most radical wing of the Sabbateans in Salonika and who directly influenced Jacob Frank, not only declared these prohibitions abrogated but went so far as to transform their contents into commandments of the new “Messianic Torah.” Orgiastic rituals were preserved for a long time among Sabbatean groups and among the Dönmeh until about 1900. As late as the seventeenth century a festival was introduced called Purim, celebrated at the beginning of spring, which reached its climax in the "extinguishing of the lights" and in an orgiastic exchange of wives.[15]

    As Bakan indicated, in his book Moses and Monotheism, Freud makes clear that, as in the case of the Pharaohs of Egypt, incest confers god-like status on its perpetrators. In the same book, Freud argued that Moses had been a priest of Aten instituted by Akhenaten, the Pharaoh revered by Rosicrucian tradition, after whose death Moses was forced to leave Egypt with his followers. Freud also claims that Moses was an Egyptian, in an attempt to discredit the origin of the Law conferred by him. Commenting on these passages, Bakan claims that his attack on Moses was an attempt to abolish the law in the same way that Sabbatai Zevi did.

    Thus, Freud disguised a Frankist creed with psychological jargon, proposing that conventional morality is an unnatural repression of the sexual urges imposed during childhood. Freud instead posited that we are driven by subconscious impulses, primarily the sex drive. In Totem and Taboo, published in 1913, which caused quite a scandal. Freud theorized about incest through the Greek myth of Oedipus, in which Oedipus unknowingly killed his father and married his mother, and incest and reincarnation rituals practiced in ancient Egypt. He used the Oedipus conflict to point out how much he believed that people desire incest and must repress that desire.
    ... so there you have it:
    • Tavistock fostered OSS, CIA with its MKultra and project Monarch with its "Presidential Models"
    • the sex slave industry
    • the child trafficking industry
    • "psychologists'" attempts at "normalizing" pedophilia via articles in the "news"
    • blaming the victims of sexual abuses
    • etc...
    That should bring some understanding to what Henry Makow has been chipping at for a very long time...
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    You do not seem fair to me here, nor for the women, nor for Freud.
    Howso?

    I understand that both parties are miserable. Freud came up with "something" that was supposed to help. The quality of it was not good. During an age heavy with puritanism and fear, nobody could really have these kind of talks. You're expected to stay quiet, right? Especially for women. For the most part they seem to have been given rather poor treatment and, historically, most men probably saw them as incomplete/less than human.

    So actually it was a kind of first step--it may not have been very big, and it may not have been very good--as far as I am concerned, whatever it takes to melt away that fear and let someone feel they can say whatever they want, is important. On that note, its's not so bad. Just as some of the first conversations to kind of peel away the prudery and silence which was standard.

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    Yes, I can roughly follow the sources. Crews, then Bakan, Drob ...

    I‘ve not the shadow of a doubt about anything what is said about the Tavistock Institute. I‘m no defender of psychoanalytical theories. I cannot at all rule out that there is a very dark agenda behind the way how psychoanalysis has (been) developed in the course of the century.

    What Bakan provides is his interpretation. The relation between Freud and Kabbalah has not been followed up since this study from 1958. There‘s no extended discussion about it that could provide insights. Questions arise. For example, the conversation (which is mere anecdotal evidence) when Freud supposedly did the exclamation: This is gold!
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Freud, when he was made aware of the Lurianic Kabbalah apparently exclaimed, “This is gold!” and asked why these ideas had never previously been brought to his attention.[13]
    seems to be (at least partly) construed because the two books mentioned in Bakan’s study (Freud’s book on Moses and Bloch’s book on Chajim Vital) had not existed as mere manuscripts at the same time. (Source available only in German http://david.juden.at/2008/76/5_davidowicz.htm)

    I know it is no use going into such details here, the more as I’m no expert, just an avid reader. What I want to convey is: Though there might be something to the connection Freud - Kabbalah (and then after some detours) - Tavistock - PsyOp‘s), the ones who are about to - not only deconstruct his work, but to discredit and destroy it entirely, have no clean hands, either. Their agendas and motives which I suspect to be extremely conservative - to put it mildly - should not be left out of a discussion.

    Henry Makow, who apparently is a respected researcher, does not do a great favor to a possible discussion by calling Freud a Satanist, a Sabbatean with perverted satanist believes and a proponent of a Kabbalah sex cult, citing single phrases out of context and parroting unproven claims (like the conversation between Freud and Bloch, handed down by Bakan). Not to mention his utter distortion of Freud‘s theories: “As an overture to incest and pedophilia, he taught that children have sexual feelings for their opposite-sexed parents and feel hostility to their same-sex parent. At the extreme, his "Oedipus Complex" states that a boy subconsciously wants to kill his father and rape his mother.“ (Makow) To take these words literally is ridiculous.

    https://www.henrymakow.com/freud_sabbatean.html

    PS: I though very much appreciate the information you provide, Hervé, in all respects and I just hope (as a non-native speaker) I don‘t fill your thread with too much bad English.
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    A word about the psychobabble monolith of the "One solution for all" concocted consensus-reality psy-ops of subjective belief universes (e.g. DSM-5, new age, flat earth, etc....):

    How I assembled The Matrix Revealed: the key symbol

    by Jon Rappoport Dec 28, 2017

    The key was handed to me by a colleague and friend.

    In 1987, when I was researching my book, AIDS INC., I took a side road. It was prompted by a conversation I had with the brilliant hypnotherapist, Jack True. He was telling me about experiences he’d had with his patients under hypnosis.
    “Some patients encounter a ‘monolith’,” he said.

    “They come across a symbol that is there in the subconscious. Sometimes it looks like a closed door. Sometimes it shows up as a blank wall. Sometimes it’s a geometric shape. One patient actually called it a ‘brick sky’.”

    “But in every case, it locked up the patient’s ability to recall or explore under hypnosis. It was like a giant obstruction on a road. However, these patients could describe something about the nature of the symbol. They said it was broadcasting a message: ‘THIS IS REALITY’.”

    “The patients were in awe of the symbol. It had a deep emotional effect on them. It was as if many different realities had come together to form this single symbol, like separate pieces clicking into place.”
    Jack went further. He stated that the symbol induced a profound passivity in his patients…

    Jack subsequently devised strategies to take apart the symbol, so these patients could rid themselves of their passivity and access huge amounts of previously blocked energies.

    Well, I was shocked, because my research on my book had followed a parallel course.

    I’ll explain.

    The AIDS cover story that had been invented by medical researchers was all about One Reality, one disease condition caused by one virus, one label, one symbol for the condition: “AIDS”.

    When, in fact, that was “the obstruction on the road” which was blocking further investigation. In fact, the whole “Oneness” myth was a lie.

    A gigantic lie.

    A very, very convincing lie. An awesome lie.

    The truth was, so-called AIDS was many different conditions (realities) which had been falsely “clicked” together, through massive propaganda.

    That was the key to unlocking the puzzle. And it was the key for me to move into new territory with new energy and confidence.

    I’d been stalled at the wall, but now I could advance.

    The awesome symbol, “AIDS,” had been shattered to pieces.

    Since the publication of my book, I’ve of course investigated a number of other subjects, and in each case, there was a symbol, a monolith, an obstruction, and in every case I’ve taken the monolith apart to discover that it’s hiding a plurality of scandals and crimes and deceptions and realities.

    The One False Unity concealing The Many.

    These monoliths are very, very effective because—and this is vitally important to understand—they mirror the tendency of the subconscious mind to fall to its knees before A Single Symbol.

    People gravitate to single causes, single symbols in every area of life, and they don’t penetrate further.

    This is an aspect of the Matrix.

    False Unities are the meat and potatoes of very high-level propaganda. They are launched in politics, economics, organized religion, science, psychology, the military, mind control, in all the academic disciplines.

    As an analogy, consider a painting in which the three-dimensional perspective has been radically shortened to eliminate the background. But the background is really where all the action is. The foreground is the false Oneness.

    Grasping all of this allowed me to go further than I thought possible in putting together The Matrix Revealed. My method of investigation altered radically, and I hit paydirt.

    The Matrix is a multi-layered, multi-dimensional operation, seeded with symbols that broadcast FALSE UNITY.

    And these symbols collaborate with the subconscious tendency to buy those UNITIES.

    Your freedom and power emerge when the subconscious tendency is made conscious and can be seen in the light of day.

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    Under the article "The Holiness of Sin: Freud, the Frankfurt School and the Kabbalah" by David Livingstone, there is this comment:
    Permalink Submitted by Shira (not verified) on Tue, 01/27/2015 - 17:26
    I applaud you for publishing this as part of your book. I will, however, criticize this on one aspect: while this chapter successfully exposed the Frankfurt School as Sabbatean, it fails to mention specific Sabbatean elements of their most well-known books and essays.

    To quote myself: Sabbatean-Frankist doctrine overturns Jewish Law by interpreting it in reverse (i.e. negative commandments such as “thou shall NOT kill” or “thou shall NOT commit adultery” became the positive commandments of “thou SHALL kill” and “thou SHALL commit adultery.”) Critical Theory from the Frankfurt School operates identical to this: it undermines Western Civilization by interpreting its values, traditions and institutions in reverse. So, to Cultural Marxists following Sabbateanism, “the family is the foundation of civilization” becomes “the family ‘unit’ is repressive”, “religious morality is needed for a healthy society” becomes “religious morality is evil/destructive” and so on.

    This is the same method you see in The Authoritarian Personality, in which Adorno and others label those who support traditional Western values as having the “fascist” personality, whereas those who cannot live up to Western values are labeled as the ideal “liberal” personality.

    This foolishness is also scattered all over Adorno’s other book which he wrote with Max Horkheimer, Dialectic of Enlightenment, where they claimed Enlightenment ideology only enslaves people more, and Mankind needs to abandon traditional Western paradigms including religion and family if they are to be fully free. But this work is very important since it is littered with Sabbatean elements that are often overlooked. The concept which is central to the book is the one I just outlined: Mankind will not be liberated until nature is liberated. Horkheimer and Adorno took this concept directly from Walter Benjamin's Thesis on History, which is entirely based on Kabbalistic concepts. Kabbalists / Sabbateans believe that Mankind will never be liberated until G-D is liberated, hence why they seek to do evil as part of the process of "putting G-D back together" and identify their suffering with the (alleged) suffering of G-D. Likewise, Benjamin writes that the only way to obtain Mankind's liberation is to identify with what Marxists call "class struggle" as it has occurred throughout history. The concept of the messiah in his essay is also based entirely on the Sabbatean idea of Mankind becoming its own messiah, and makes parallels between the destruction of Western Civilization and the bringing forth of communism on earth with the restoration of the Kabbalist G-D and the bringing forth of the Messianic Era. The people who read these works often have no idea as to their evil origins.

    It should also be noted, Scholem remarked how Benjamin was driven to Marxism through his obsession with the satanic Kabbalah and even heavily identified with the false "messiah" Jacob Frank. Although, I do believe Scholem was a closeted Sabbatean himself as his books on the topic seem to be full of disinfo. Yes, he reveals a lot about the origins of the demonic, pagan Kabbalah, Sabbateanism, Frankism and their relationship to the Illuminati, and was even willing to expose his own friend's satanic religion. However, it is what he DIDN'T tell us that should reveal his own doings. He did not go far enough which makes me think he was a Sabbatean all along.

    "Critical Theory" is just 20th century Sabbateanism.

    ... which underlines the direct connection with satanism and its systematic inversion/reversing of any "laws" which is what Makow has been chipping at for a very long time.

    As for the connection of sabbatean-Frankist-Satanist between Freud and Tavistock and the latter's "products" (psy-ops), one only need to look at who founded/funded Tavistock: Rockefeller! (see also the Rockefeller's and their CIA's satanic connections) Hence the birth of "Big Pharma" via the safe-keeping of I.G. Farben during WW II.

    More on Tavistock's delicacies and intricacies: The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations: Shaping the Moral, Spiritual, Cultural, Political and Economic Decline of the United States of America. (Pdf) John Coleman.
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    In short, not much more of a message than: the Tavistock Institute hired the Fraud and derived its world-round psy-ops from that guy's work... a truer history of this world we are in, somewhat.
    If this were true, then wouldn’t a researcher like John Coleman have found out and published details about Freud’s personal connection with / work for the Institute (at least in the annex) ? Information that would justify to call him a fraud?

    In his book “The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations ... ” the name Freud is mentioned 5 times: 4 times it is about Bernays being a nephew of Freud, one mention is about “Tavistock Clinic in London was where Sigmund Freud had settled when he arrived from Germany”.

    As already said that was in his last year, terminally ill after fighting oral cancer for 15 years, from June 38 until his death in Sept 39 - and after fleeing the Third Reich (when the Austrian population had decided to become a part of Nazi Germany). He would have gone anywhere.

    The Freud statue in front of the Tavistock clinic was put there in 1970 ! Freud was deliberately misinterpreted and used, his name exploited. His work leaves lots of space for interpretation, even if someone had no malicious intentions. One may criticize and debunk his obsolete and absurd theories. Finally he was wrong. It is not fair to slander a person by calling him a fraud + conman (+ satanist) continuously and publicly, without providing hard facts.

    Freud had (unsucessfully) tried to find a cure for human suffering, unfortunately starting from an incorrect position. Bernays managed to take Freud’s ideas about human beings and use them to manipulate the masses. I call that the difference between a tragic figure and a criminal.

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    Full documentary (03:54:00)
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    “... he discovered primitive, sexual and aggressive forces, buried deep inside the mind of all [???] human beings ...”

    Who would deny their existence, looking at history or at any MSM or alternative news source. Freud’s biggest and essential error was his assumption that these forces were natural and inherent to a human being. He could not be farther from the truth.
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    Put him together with the Mesmer dude and you got a pretty sweet Psy-Op going on
    How would Freud be together with Mesmer? Mesmer led a transparent, public existence, performing "lay healing" on thousands. Didn't work for all, but did for many.

    John Coleman's researches were from a few boxes of the Executive Intelligence Review pamphlets.

    I would tend to agree with the previous post that Freud made some mistakes and was incomplete, whereas it was others such as Bernays who institutionalized the practices and intentionally used them, particularly to boost the pork market and to assist fertilizer companies with dumping fluoride into the drinking water. I see it more as the role of private businesses using government and "sophisticated think-tanks" to promote their interests; Bernays would have been nothing without a role in that arrangement.

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    Default Re: The Father of Psy-Ops: Sigmund Fraud

    Freud learned from a Satanist
    http://whale.to/a/freud5.html
    Got his sister-in-law, Minna Bernays, pregnant

    Minna Bernays said to have confessed her affair to Karl Jung
    Time and circumstances plotted out when she got an abortion
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    https://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/22/u...as-lovers.html

    Sigmund Freud and Minna Bernays
    A mountain of evidence, but denial of affair!
    https://freudsbutcher.com/psychology...sister-in-law/
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    Freud, Zionism, and the Sexual Revolution
    http://incogman.net/2010/11/freud-zi...al-revolution/

    Sigmund schlomo Freud:
    "He repeatedly stated he found sexual morality 'contemptible'."
    "...a Jewish supremacist and a stalwart Zionist."

    The associated video has been soft-censored by YouTube.
    "The following content has been identified by the YouTube community (gestapo?) as inappropriate or offensive to some audiences."

    Freud, Zionism, and the Sexual Revolution


    Interesting connections.
    Motivations seem to be surfacing along with the once hidden truth.

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    Well, I have nothing more to add. How could one argue against David Duke. Everyone is free to choose their own sources and to follow their chosen leaders. I’d just ask not to equate YT-censorship with Gestapo, because there’s a slight, though significant difference.

    Take care and be well, all.
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    Quote Posted by petra (here)
    Put him together with the Mesmer dude and you got a pretty sweet Psy-Op going on
    How would Freud be together with Mesmer? Mesmer led a transparent, public existence, performing "lay healing" on thousands. Didn't work for all, but did for many.
    Bad joke, I know. The "father" of Psy-Ops would have to be Mesmer in my book. He "discovered" hypnosis, and so that makes him the father of mind programming. Sigmund Fraud is more like the father of dream propaganda and phallic metaphors. Why does everything have to symbolize a penis? Maybe sometimes a sword is just a sword ;-)

    EDIT: It was mentioned Freud was abused - and I tend to agree. I don't doubt the man was brilliant, but that's not the point now is it.
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    Bad joke, I know. The "father" of Psy-Ops would have to be Mesmer in my book. He "discovered" hypnosis, and so that makes him the father of mind programming.
    Psy-ops are at least as old as the Nine Unknown Men of India or Sun-Tsu.

    Mesmer did not do hypnosis so much as animal magnetism. We might call it lay healing or chakra work or something. Not much to do with altering anyone's mind or thoughts. He was virtually a "father" of the composers Haydn and Mozart. The implication would then be that classical music is mind control, and all those symphonies have been programming the public for a few hundred years. I do not think this is so; and that the psychological school of hypnotism is something else.

    He was not able to heal a few wealthy clients, but that would not place him at the level of a career con or swindle, as he was generally considered by thousands of patients to have been successful. On the other hand, there became vested interests with the means and motivations to make such people appear as quacks, in order to promote (the new) Allopathy and others such as Freud. This extinguished Natural Philosophy, the physical science of the ages which included metaphysics, which was followed by Sir Isaac Newton and others who were "re-written" to make it appear otherwise. Only after that, did we have plain, dead Physical Science, which continued to do things like bury Maxwell's Quarternion equations and replace them with Newton's Tensor or Integral form. This is still not studied or explained when science classes get to Maxwell.

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    Psy-ops are at least as old as the Nine Unknown Men of India or Sun-Tsu.
    Perhaps as old as the universe itself in my way of thinking! As long as there is a Psy to Op, someone somewhere is probably Opping it, y'know?

    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    Mesmer did not do hypnosis so much as animal magnetism. We might call it lay healing or chakra work or something. Not much to do with altering anyone's mind or thoughts.
    No - just the fact hypnosis exists I find very telling though. I looked up mesmerism and it pretty much means the same thing as hypnotism in general-speak.

    Repressed memories are a big thing, in my mind. I understand it's a defense mechanism of the mind, but at the same time (from the ass-hole perspective) I think that the repressed memories can be planted there too, or even faked. I could be wrong, but assuming I'm right - that sounds like a pretty basis for Psy-Op to me.

    Quote Posted by shaberon (here)
    He was virtually a "father" of the composers Haydn and Mozart. The implication would then be that classical music is mind control, and all those symphonies have been programming the public for a few hundred years. I do not think this is so; and that the psychological school of hypnotism is something else.
    That's pretty interesting! I'll go even farther...

    From a different perspective... I feel like ALL music can be used for mind control purposes. I'm not saying that it IS mind control, just that it can be used as such.

    For example when every where I go a certain song is playing which in turn is triggering my memories and emotional responses - that's a Psy Op to me. Another example is having a song pop into my head, which in turn triggers associations and/or feelings. Maybe I even sing it out loud, and end up triggering someone else. I probably sound like a nut - but I'm positively certain music was/is being used against me (sometimes).

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