Water Fasting

[Pieman]

I have been following the content of this thread from the outset and can only say that for me as a diabetic (type2) it has helped me immensely. I have kept daily records on a simple spreadsheet of
Weight loss, water consumption( average 3ltrs to 4ltrs per day) and noticeable bodily reactions. I checked my blood pressure and blood sugar levels daily. Here is a brief outline of the results:
1. Blood pressure levels reduced to normal levels after 2 days.
2. Blood sugar levels reduced to normal range after 3 days
3. First day excruciating headaches reducing to tolerable after 24hrs and gone completely after 48hrs.
4. Hunger pangs disappeared on the third day
5. Weight loss average 2lbs per day
6. Heightened sense of smell, hearing and vision after 5 days
7. Feeling returning to peripheral neuropathy site (numb feet from diabetes)
8. Massive increase in energy levels after 4th day.
I started my first water fast on the 28th February 2018 and broke the fast after 7 days. Since then I have completed 11 water fasts of varying duration None less than 5 days and the longest fast so far has been 11 days.
I just wanted to let people know that my health has improved dramatically and have been able to get myself off all diabetic and blood pressure medication without any adverse reactions.

So this post is really to thank Bill for starting this thread (it has been truly life-changing for me) and to everyone contributing and sharing their own experiences.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Pieman (here)
I have been following the content of this thread from the outset and can only say that for me as a diabetic (type2) it has helped me immensely. I have kept daily records on a simple spreadsheet of
Weight loss, water consumption( average 3ltrs to 4ltrs per day) and noticeable bodily reactions. I checked my blood pressure and blood sugar levels daily. Here is a brief outline of the results:
1. Blood pressure levels reduced to normal levels after 2 days.
2. Blood sugar levels reduced to normal range after 3 days
3. First day excruciating headaches reducing to tolerable after 24hrs and gone completely after 48hrs.
4. Hunger pangs disappeared on the third day
5. Weight loss average 2lbs per day
6. Heightened sense of smell, hearing and vision after 5 days
7. Feeling returning to peripheral neuropathy site (numb feet from diabetes)
8. Massive increase in energy levels after 4th day.
I started my first water fast on the 28th February 2018 and broke the fast after 7 days. Since then I have completed 11 water fasts of varying duration None less than 5 days and the longest fast so far has been 11 days.
I just wanted to let people know that my health has improved dramatically and have been able to get myself off all diabetic and blood pressure medication without any adverse reactions.

So this post is really to thank Bill for starting this thread (it has been truly life-changing for me) and to everyone contributing and sharing their own experiences.

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Thank you! Many members have shared their valuable experiences and information here. This thread is very valuable, for sure, for anyone wishing or needing to optimize their health.

[happyuk]

Excellent video on water-based fasting as originally researched by Soviet researchers during the seventies, which I am currently digesting:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=t1b08X-GvRs

One of the comments says "fasting wasn't ignored by science, fasting is ignored by conventional medicine because big pharma can't profit from it." which I find hard to strongly disagree with.

[Bill Ryan]

Just to bump this excellent thread, here's a copy of Wade Frazier's post just now. He's on day 28 of a juice fast, and this is his reply to my post complimenting him.

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Thanks Bill:

I began a fasting regimen when I was 17, and until I was 24, I did water fasts, as Bragg advocated, and the longest that I ever did was six days, and it was so hard. Then, I tried a juice fast that I had read about over the years, did one for a few days, and it was easy. Then I immediately did a 32-dayer, and it was effortless. My record is 45 days, when I fasted partly because it was cheaper than eating ( ), and we’ll see how this one goes. I might go another month. It seems that that juice fasts cleanse as well as water fasts do, I used to fast while I backpacked, and my lifetime’s best backpack was done on a fast, by myself.

I will make a post one day on how, like with heart disease, science is finally beginning to catch up to what us empiricists have long known: fasting is a miraculous process. One pal cured his bladder cancer with a 70-day fast, and one pal did a 90-day fast, which is the longest that I have heard of.

I have not done a fast this long in several years, and I made the dietary changes in the past couple of years (no sugar, salt, flour, etc.) that I think that I can win the battle to keep it off.

Best,

Wade

[TomKat]

I did a 45-day juice fast about 25 years ago. Felt good. Lost a lot of weight. Gained it all back and then some when I went back to work and resumed "convenience eating." :-)

[T Smith]

I recently underwent a 9-day water fast. Six months ago I underwent an eight-day water fast. Based on my own results I plan on doing this at least twice a year. As far as I'm concerned the health benefits are irrefutable (at least according to my own personal experiences).

Thank you Bill for bumping this thread I hadn't noticed it before so I haven't read through all the posts yet. Apologies if any of my own experiences, bullet-points below, have been discussed or are common knowledge to those versed on this topic....

• On day one I was hungry. After I got through the day it was downhill as far as hunger goes.

• By day two or three I began fantasying about food (and about preparing food, as I like to cook), but without hunger. I was never hungry. I could feel my body healing, including aches and pains in scar-tissue areas that seemingly went into hyper-drive healing mode.

• By day four clarity and heightened sensory-perception set in, smells, touch, hearing, etc. I imagine if I tasted something the flavors would have exploded in my mouth. As far as the heightened senses go, I could smell my neighbors meals from two houses over, hear a distant airplane that was nowhere visible in the sky, etc.

• By day five I was literally flying on a clarity high, everything I was conflicted and confused about began to make sense; solutions I had previously overlooked presented themselves. Based on my emotional well-being I found myself thinking I may never want to eat again!

• On day seven and eight the clarity heightened even more; I began to commune with nature in way I hadn't before, particularly in relationship to nature's bounty in its harmony to sustain all life on the planet. My passion for real food--vegetables, fruits, and creative and healthy preparations thereof (and a new-found physical aversion for processed junk food) heightened. I found myself dreaming about and devising ways to prepare healthy and delicious meals-- but I was still not hungry.

• On day nine blemishes on my skin cleared up. My skin tightened and was softer. I had lost 18 pounds over 9 days.

• On day ten I came off the fast. I had already planned what meal I would consume and found myself appreciating every single bite I put into my body.

In sum, this was not just a physical experience, but also a spiritual experience.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[Tenzin]

Hi all!

I have done multiple water fasts and curious about why there seems to be a loss of calcium during a prolonged fast; I kept having rectal prolapses toward the end of a 7-10 days strict water fast, to a point that it is becoming uncomfortable. My friend who is under thyroid medication, often shed loads of hair on a long fast.

From my brief search for literature in the NCBI website, I read numerous studies of calcium precipitation in urine during a fast. Does anyone know how calcium comes into play in the fasting process and how to remedy the situation?



Edit: Just found an interesting article, seems the above symptoms are related to hypothyroidism: https://atpscience.com/fasting-and-t...h-detrimental/

[onawah]

No Fasting Required: Trick Your Body into Regeneration Mode With the ‘Molecule of Youth’
by Dr. Mercola
https://products.mercola.com/pau-dar..._rid=826130987
(Excerpt from the article follows--there is more good info in the article about mitochondria, but I wanted to present the info about Pau d' Arco as an alternative to fasting in this thread. )

"What if there were other ways to get the same mitochondrial protective and regenerative effects as fasting without actually restricting your calories? Or better yet, something you could do in addition to intermittent fasting for even faster results?

Researchers have isolated plant substances that mimic the effects of calorie restriction to help protect your mitochondria and genetic material, and to help slow premature cellular aging.
As you age, your mitochondria suffer increasingly more damage from oxidative stresses. Communication between your cells breaks down largely due to the age-related decline of one of the most important coenzymes found in every cell in your body: Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide, or NAD+.

NAD exists in two different forms: NAD+ and NADH. NAD+ is known as the “Molecule of Youth.”

When your cells break down carbs and fats for energy, the energy is stored by creating ATP and NADH. When NADH converts into NAD+, the preferred form, it supplies your body with ATP or energy.

NAD+ plays several crucial roles for your health, including:

Stimulating sirtuin longevity proteins that switch off certain genes that promote aging. Two sirtuin enzymes, SIRT1 and SIRT3, which require NAD+ to function, trigger the formation and optimal activity of new mitochondria.
Fueling PARP (Poly ADP ribose polymerase), an enzyme that repairs damaged DNA. PARP activity is linked to maximum lifespan. Without NAD+, your DNA repair will be crippled.
Supporting healthy metabolism and mitochondria.
The higher your levels of NAD+, the better. The more NAD+ in your cells, the more efficient your mitochondrial ATP or energy production.

Factors That Can Make Your NAD+ Levels Plummet
Researchers have discovered that low levels of NAD+ can accelerate cellular aging and reduce the activity of SIRT1. This can age your body and impair the formation and functioning of new mitochondria.

Aging is also a major factor. When you’re younger, NADH can easily give up its energy-rich electrons to create NAD+. However, as you age, unrepaired DNA damage lowers your levels of NAD+.

Since your levels of NAD+ drop as you age, your sirtuin activity declines as well. That impacts cellular signaling, which leads to mitochondrial dysfunction.So what else can lower your levels of NAD+, or the “Molecule of Youth?”

Chronic inflammation
Disrupted circadian rhythm or body clock
Low oxygen levels in your cells
Consuming too many calories
Alcohol consumption
High blood sugar and insulin levels
Extensive DNA damage
Many of these factors are within your control. Every little step you take to influence these variables, the more you can help maintain your levels of NAD+ and slow the cellular aging process.

Do You Have Low NAD+? Know the Red FlagsHow can you tell if you have low levels of NAD+?

Obviously, you can’t see what’s happening in your cells. But these are all signs that you may have low NAD+:

Fatigue or lower levels of physical energy
Low mental energy or brain fog
Increasing weight gain, especially in your abdomen
Rising cholesterol levels
Moodiness and feeling blue
Heart issues
Cold feet and hands
Immune system issues and infections that won’t clear up
Inflammatory issues
Fasting, calorie restriction and interval exercise are three things that can help raise your NAD+ levels.

And so can something else that has been shown in studies to radically increase levels of NAD+. Let's see how that happens...

Compound Transforms the Equivalent of a 60-Year-Old’s Muscle Health to That of a 20-Year-Old’s in Just ONE WeekScientists set out to discover if raising NAD+ levels could potentially turn back the clock on cellular aging in mice.

In one recent study, researchers injected a group of elderly mice with a pharmaceutical compound known to increase cellular levels of NAD+.

Within only one week of treatment, mitochondrial homeostasis was restored, and the key biochemical markers of muscle health in a 22-month-old “old” mouse were restored to levels similar to a youthful 6-month-old mouse.

To appreciate that in human years, that’s like transforming muscle biochemical markers of a 60-year-old body to those of a 20-year-old!

How did this compound create such astonishing changes?

It restored a high ratio of NAD+ to NADH, the cofactor that plays a key role in the production of energy. High levels of NAD+ (relative to NAHD) are needed for DNA repair and the activation of SIRT1.

As impressive as this study certainly was, I don’t care to use pharmaceuticals to increase my levels of NAD+. That’s what led me to look closer at one of my favorite herbs...

The Plant-Sourced NAD Precursor That Helped Mice Live Even Longer Than Those on Calorie Restriction
Pau d'Arco is made from the bark of a large tropical tree, called the Pink Lapacho, found in the rainforests of the Amazon, South America and Latin America. It has a long history of use for a number of health concerns.

The inner lining of the bark is the tree’s most treasured part. It contains two valuable substances called lapachol and beta-lapachone.

Lapachol is best known for its potential cellular health benefits. Beta-lapachone powerfully increases NAD+ inside your cells. By increasing NAD+, Pau d’Arco can help improve ATP or cellular energy production.*

In a study with aged mice, researchers added beta-lapachone from Pau d’Arco bark into one group’s diet. There were no changes in activity level or total calories of either group.The following effects were noted in the beta-lapachone group, compared to the control group:

Increased ratio of NAD+ to NADH in the muscle
Higher number of intact mitochondria, suggesting resistance to mitochondrial breakdown
Less damage to mitochondrial proteins that reduce the production of damaging reactive oxygen species (ROS) inside the cell
A decrease in body weight and body mass, compared to the level found in young adult mice
Lower age-related markers in blood, such as increased glucose, lipids and leptin
Increased body temperature, suggesting a higher energy expenditure and body metabolism
Higher capacity of associative memory
Greater motor performance and muscular strength, as seen by up-regulated genes associated with muscle development
What’s most surprisingly is this: beta-lapachone benefited the health of the mice even more than calorie restriction. The beta-lapachone group lived significantly longer than the calorie-restricted group, which lived longer than the control group!

In addition, the researchers noted that beta-lapachone protected the mitochondrial structure better than calorie restriction.

The Type of Body Fat You Want to Gain, Not Lose
I know it may come as a surprise when I say I want you to gain body fat. However, it’s likely not the type of fat you think. Let me explain...

When you’re cold, your body has a number of ways to keep you warm. Shivering is one. Non-shivering, which involves a tissue called brown fat, is another.

Unlike regular white fat that stores calories, brown fat burns energy and produces heat. And when it produces heat, it stimulates energy expenditure.Babies are born with high levels of brown fat to help them stay warm. As you age, your brown fat deposits drastically decline.

What you have left is typically mixed in with white fat and found around your spinal cord, kidneys, neck and between your shoulder blades.

Everyone has at least some brown fat cells. The lower your body mass index (BMI), the more you likely have.

Now, scientists are convinced you can grow brown fat.

Why would you want to have more of any kind of fat?

Brown fat is loaded with mitochondria and it’s desirable for your metabolism.

Researchers believe brown fat may hold the key to wellness, and by restoring your levels, you may be able to significantly improve your health.

Mice Studies Suggest Pau d’Arco’s Beta-Lapachone May Help Turn Your White Fat into Brown FatThe more brown fat you have, the better. Low levels are linked to three conditions:

A decline in your body’s metabolic function
A decreased ability for your cells to use insulin
A lower production of new mitochondria (known as mitochondrial biogenesis)
Now researchers believe there may be a way to help you restore your levels...

Mice studies suggest that the beta-lapachone found in Pau d’Arco’s inner bark can convert white fat into brown fat.

One especially revealing study showed that beta-lapachone along with a high-fat diet stimulated the expression of brown-adipocyte genes, decreased weight gain and increased energy expenditure, compared to a control group of mice.

Imagine the potential implications for your well-being...

Because of their plentiful mitochondria, brown fat cells may help you regulate your body weight and protect your vital organs, especially your heart, brain and nervous system.

I think you’ll agree, having higher levels of brown fat could be a real plus for your heath, especially in the areas of weight management, mitochondrial health and your most important organs!

You can further increase your brown fat levels by regular cold exposures. This could be as simple as taking cold showers. They are uncomfortable for sure, but you feel so good afterward, and they really improve your metabolic health.The more brown fat you have, the better. Low levels are linked to three conditions:

A decline in your body’s metabolic function
A decreased ability for your cells to use insulin
A lower production of new mitochondria (known as mitochondrial biogenesis)
Now researchers believe there may be a way to help you restore your levels...

Mice studies suggest that the beta-lapachone found in Pau d’Arco’s inner bark can convert white fat into brown fat.

One especially revealing study showed that beta-lapachone along with a high-fat diet stimulated the expression of brown-adipocyte genes, decreased weight gain and increased energy expenditure, compared to a control group of mice.

Imagine the potential implications for your well-being...

Because of their plentiful mitochondria, brown fat cells may help you regulate your body weight and protect your vital organs, especially your heart, brain and nervous system.

I think you’ll agree, having higher levels of brown fat could be a real plus for your heath, especially in the areas of weight management, mitochondrial health and your most important organs!

You can further increase your brown fat levels by regular cold exposures. This could be as simple as taking cold showers. They are uncomfortable for sure, but you feel so good afterward, and they really improve your metabolic health.You can only do so much to help slow the rate of cellular aging, and this remarkable compound, in my opinion, is one of the most effective tools available today.*

Just to summarize, our Pau d’Arco can potentially help you:

Support healthy cellular growth.*
Support heart, skin, respiratory and immune health.*
Raise your levels of NAD+ to support the repair of mitochondrial DNA and the biogenesis of new mitochondria.*
Improve cellular energy production or ATP.*
Support mitochondrial health by reducing damaging reactive species or ROS.*
Maintain blood sugar levels already in the healthy normal range.*
Support your weight management.*referred
Boost your strength and vigor.* "

[Tenzin]

This is my raw account of my recent 13 days water fast, withholding no details of the difficulties I have encountered. I see a lack of such account in online forums and social media groups and find it strange as I have been struggling with mine since the beginning. When I approached one of the more established water only fasting group on FB, I came to realize most people are unaware that a minority can go through similar struggles and are ill-informed to provide guidance (despite them having read all the literature available on this topic). One of the admins even suggested that I go for surgery because of the constant gut pain I was suffering from during my past water fast.

I have done numerous water-only fast with the first lasting only 6 days back in 2017, after sufficiently cleansed my liver using Andreas Moritz' method (a total of more than 35 flushes over a period of 2-3 years). I have been doing this mainly for health, with the understanding that it does impact our spiritual practice since it involves our endocrine system.

Notes:
1. I have conditioned the body for a week without animal protein so I can expect the initial 4 days to have less discomfort.
2. Take only water filtered with Reverse Osmosis filter. Highly recommended to use distilled water, for drinking and enema. Never use tap water from city supply as they contain loads of toxic chemicals.
3. Enema is essential if you are experiencing great discomfort in the gut. Dr. Herbert Shelton did not denounce enemas; he only said it should not be used as a CURATIVE protocol. Without enema, I just can never last this long in any water fast. Highly recommended book: 'The Science and Fine Art of Fasting'. Another book is 'Fasting and Eating for Health: A Medical Doctor's Program for Conquering Disease' by Joel Fuhrman, M.D.
4. Anyone can do a 72 hours water only fast without danger.
5. Work on weaning off your prescription drugs first before engaging in water fasting. Since you are doing water fast for healing, I believe you already privy to the fact such allopathic drugs only treat symptoms and not the root cause; these toxins have to go first.
6. Highly recommended to cleanse your kidneys and liver first because you need them to function at optimal level to handle the toxic offload. There are herbs to help with kidney cleansing, and of course the liver flush technique to rid it of liver stones.

Day 1 (4th April, Sat):

• Increased thirst. Ignored mild hunger pangs during the evening.

Day 2 (5th April, Sun):

• Dark urine upon waking despite increased water intake. Mild discomfort in lower back (kidneys). Feeling slightly more energized.
• Felt 'heaty' in the eyes. Did a lemon enema to remove the constipated fecal matter that has been causing the increased thirst and 'heatiness'. Condition was relieved quickly.

Day 3 (6th April, Mon):

• Woke at 1am+ with general discomfort in the lower torso and upper abs region. Could not sleep till a few hours later.
• Pain in lower colon region upon waking in the morning, subsided quickly as I started moving around.
• Napped at midday. General weakness.
• Pain in right chest region and upwards, stretching up to back of neck along meridian.
• Felt brief pain in the vaccine injection region in the left shoulder.
• Did an enema before bed to remove as much toxins in the colon to minimize the chance of my sleep being interrupted.

Day 4 (7th April, Tue):

• Lots of rumbling in the right liver region. Some throbbing in spleen region.
• Parched mouth but didn't feel like drinking too much water.
• Evening enema passed out very sticky gunk that stuck to the W.C. wall, only fell off after 10 seconds of continuous spraying with the jet spray.

Day 5 (8th April, Wed):

• Threw up water at 12am when tried to lie on the right side to relieve the discomfort in the lower torso region.
• Could not take in water. Feels better to lie down belly up on a head up inclined posture.
• Took a few sips but still a little nauseous. Did the Tibetan 5 exercises once. On the bed for most parts of the day.
• General discomfort in the torso region until about 5pm when everything alleviated. More energised.
• Lemon enema before bed expelled liquid so dark the bottom of the W.C could not be seen. Strangely, a faint layer of pink stain was left on the side of the W.C. wall that could not be washed away with water. For a brief moment, a mild odor was picked up that reminded me of something when I was before 10 years of age. Stomach discomfort in the gut lifted after a while of lying down.

Day 6 (9th April, Thu):

• All discomfort had lifted, felt like a new milestone has been reached. The body felt so restful and had the energy to even run now. Experience told me to be prepared for the next phase of the cleansing, that is most probably going to come at day 10.
• Chronic pain in left collarbone region working up at night.
• Lemon enema before bed was a mistake. The lingering toxic release in the gut robbed me of a few hours of sleep. Should have done it in the late evening instead.

Day 7 (10th April, Friday):

• Mild discomfort in gut but had enough energy to do a quick grocery round to get some more much needed lemons.
• Gut discomfort grew just as I got back, but was bearable throughout the day.
• Could feel the persistent pain in the right chest breaking up and shifting.
• Runny nose during late afternoon.
• Ended the day without enema.

Day 8 (11th April, Sat):

• Managed to sleep through the night and had a strangest and vivid dream. Chronic pain region worked up (back of left neck, seems to be working along the meridian). Felt like the healing and started to work on the portion above the heart finally.
• Eczema on throat (thyroid) and left collar bone has mostly subsided, but still had visible patches.
• Tongue is less whitish.
• Mild gut discomforts came and went throughout the day.
• Lemon enema at 6pm. Lower gut region was aching badly during the release. Pain lifted very soon after.
• Chronic pain regions are working up more, felt comfortable warmth in those regions after the emena.

Day 9 (12th April, Sun):

• Discomfort in gut but bearable.
• Lymph node just right of thymus gland a little swollen. Persistent tiny lump in left thyroid area starting to work up in the evening.
• Took sips of water throughout the day when the mouth became too parched or when kidneys got those dull aches. Did not feel like taking too much water as the filtered water still has residual chemicals in them.
• Did an enema at 9pm with 1tsp of added baking soda. Could take the water in for much longer. Dark liquid released as expected by did not leave the pink stain on the W.C. wall. No ache like before as well. It seems that lemon enema is not suitable during a water fast because lemon actually dissolve the biofilms; thus increasing the sensitivity to the released toxins when trying to eliminate them.
• Could not sleep until 2am and decided to do another enema. Slept soon after the 2nd enema. The first enema was insufficient. Seems that insomnia was brought about by the released toxins that were still lingering in the gut.

Day 10 (13th April, Mon):

• Woke with only parched mouth. No discomfort.
• Felt the cleansing starting to work around the thymus region. The previous fasts have finally did their work to cleanse the gut and liver regions, this could be the breakthrough.
• Eczema on neck and left collar bone regions have mostly faded off.
• Although no discomfort in gut, still could not sleep till 2+am.

Day 11 (14th April, Tue):

• No more gut discomfort, the fast is certainly now working on the thymus/upper chest region now. Could still see some whitish coat on tongue in the liver region, so there are residual toxins to be cleared in there. Coat is confined conspicuously to the stomach region.
• Parched mouth throughout the day.
• Upper chest discomfort growing but intermittent. Helps to take deep slow breaths and the mind of the fast itself.
• Noticed that if I switched on my wireless router (2.4G), general discomfort grow overtime that I had to lie down in the other room after some time.

Day 12 (15th April, Wed):

• Something was being released in the late afternoon that made the body 'heaty' and the gut discomfort difficult to manage. The enema after that relieved much of the problem. This is usually the part of the fast that makes us want to stop the fast.

Day 13 (16th April, Thu):

• The healing seems to be working more around the clavicle and throat region now. Starting to take greater notice the toxic parts of my personality, eg. how I speak to others and how impatient I can be towards close ones.
• Whatever that was being released into the elimination system was so toxic that it got my body so upset I could not sleep throughout the night. Did an enema at 2am (saw small bits and pieces of black matter coming out) to relieve the struggle a little, only with a small respite for a couple hours as I hug ta cushion at the tummy.

Day 14 (17th April, Fri):

• Could not bear the discomfort and the growing weakness drove me to end the fast at 10am with quickly blended grape, starting with 1/4 of a cup. The discomfort did not lift right away, which was usually instantly from past water fast, prompting me to do a final enema. Found relief from the struggle after a while as I lied down.
• Drank too much of the blend and upset my stomach, lesson learnt: break the liquid intake into hourly portions. Ideally with just fresh coconut or watermelon; something more alkaline. I believe taking bone broth is really bad to break the fast with.

Re-feed Day 1 (18th April, Sat):

• Woke with dull ache in kidneys, which was expected since it is working extra hard now to eliminate the residual toxins released during the fast.
• Body felt so comfortable just lying down after the morning meal, like every cell is working to revitalize.
• Eczema patches on left clavicle and thyroid region have mostly cleared up.

I will be doing a series of re-feeding and fasting until I heal the chronic pain; something is definitely in there. At the same time, there are things I need to work through in my personality.

[jc71]

Hi all,

I have been a semi-regular participant in water fasting as a result of this thread. Each time has been a slightly different experience. I can't claim it is "easy" but in my experience, it is definitely not as hard as you might imagine if you have never actually tried one yourself.

So, after doing probably 4 x 7+ day water fasts, I am going for the big one now!

I am approaching 50 years old, and I would like to get back to the weight I was in my early 20s. That means I need to lose almost 2 and a half stones in weight.

By my calculations, a month should do it (!). Can I do it? I don't know. Will I try it? Yes.

So starting Monday 6th July 2020 I intend to update the thread with progress and I will try to share my experience again with some positives and negatives and a record of weight loss.

Watch this space (if you are interested )

JC

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by jc71 (here)
I am approaching 50 years old, and I would like to get back to the weight I was in my early 20s. That means I need to lose almost 2 and a half stones in weight.

By my calculations, a month should do it (!). Can I do it? I don't know. Will I try it? Yes.

Do well! (For non-Brits, a 'stone' = 14 lbs, so 2.5 stones = 35 lbs, or 11 kg.)

The key thing may be this, I think. At a fasting rate of about 2 lbs per day, 35 lbs could be lost in 17-20 days. But what happens after that is the important part.

When starting to eat again (carefully!! Juices and broths only for the first few days), this is the perfect time to do a big reset in one's eating habits.

I use the following figuratively, just to make the exaggerated point! If someone loses 30 lbs in a meticulous, disciplined fast, then once one's digestive system is restarted and it's all up and running again, if one reverts to bread, alcohol, sugary desserts, pizzas, pasta, etc etc etc — that 30 lbs will be back there before one knows it. (Maybe within a month.)

So starting eating meals again is an ideal new-resolution turning point to review and transform what may possibly be a bunch of dietary habits which caused the excess weight to build up in the first place.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's something rather different. Early on the thread, there were several posts and articles about dry fasting. That is, fasting with no water.

So, brace yourselves. And don't try this at home!! (Unless you REALLY REALLY know what you're doing.)

A friend of mine used this Russian protocol (PDF below) to embark on what was either an 11 or 12 day dry fast. (Eleven or Twelve. You read that right.) I was so concerned, I kept in touch every day to make sure he was still alive.

But it worked. A bunch of his medical issues improved, he lost a LOT of weight (as you might imagine!), and also lost some noticeable leg-muscle mass (which was largely restored within a couple of weeks). The Russian research states that all the healing magic happens on Day 9, so he had to continue a little past that.

And then how you break a crazy-long dry fast like that is apparently critically important... you do NOT immediately just start drinking again. That could be catastrophic. You have to do things very very slowly, follow the protocols, and take immense care.

I'll say this again: this has to be risky, unless done absolutely correctly. Personally, I'd not take that risk! But I did want to report this for the record, as it's so very very interesting.

• http://projectavalon.net/Khoroshilov...g_Abstract.pdf

[TargeT]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I'm NOT sure if I can do it. It'll be fascinating to see. In case I start getting wobbly, I'll take a bunch of fruit and veg juice with me as an emergency Plan B. I will definitely report back.

The human body is built to handle physical labor after not eating for days. Sometimes, that was the only way to get more food.

The first 2-3 days seem to be the worst, but i guess it's mostly detoxing and mostly purging the constant influx of sugar (which is so hard to avoid in most modern diets).

I seemed to burn out a bit early when exercising while fasting, but never felt terrible when on a wet fast.
Even with being basically bed ridden for 3 weeks now, I'm still at 197 as of this mornings doctors visit, so I'm not "yo-yo"ing; which is good, that was my goal: sustained BMI improvement.

Still 192 to this day.

I've continued eating in a 8 hour window or less. For me eating in a restricted window is just "normal" and I no longer feel anything "off" by doing this (though, when the time comes around I am VERY ready to eat).

My longest wet fast was 25 days, my longest dry fast was 7 days.(this was also the most effective for weight loss, it was VASTLY more effective.)

I no longer think exercise does much other than build muscle, if you want to loose "weight" (aka visceral fat) fasting is ridiculously efficient.

[Bill Ryan]

From Dr Mercola, today:

• https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...y-fasting.aspx

Simple Hacks That Make Fasting Easy

Story at-a-glance

• Key dietary principles for losing excess weight and keeping it off include getting at least half or more of your daily calories from healthy fats, eating the right type and amount of protein, avoiding inflammatory foods including inflammatory vegetables, and having periods of time when you fast (abstain from food).
• A primary benefit of fasting is that it makes your body better at making energy. This in turn has several benefits, one of which is improved blood sugar regulation, which will allow you to stave off insulin resistance, Type 2 diabetes and all the diseases of aging associated with that.
• Fasting is also antiaging because it improves autophagy in your mitochondria and cells.
• A simple hack that will make fasting easier is to raise your ketone level with black mycotoxin-free coffee, with or without added MCT oil and grass fed butter.
• Another fasting hack is to make sure you’re getting enough prebiotic fiber. Adding prebiotics to your morning coffee is compatible with fasting and will prevent hunger.

Over the years, I've done several interviews with Dave Asprey, a Silicon Valley entrepreneur, founder and CEO of bulletproof.com, including one in which we discuss how ketones may be useful against COVID-19. Here, we discuss his latest book, "Fast This Way: Burn Fat, Heal Inflammation, and Eat Like the High-Performing Human You Were Meant to Be."

As the name implies, the book is about fasting and all the magnificent health benefits it provides. Is it for everyone? No, and he will be the first to admit that. But it can benefit most of us, certainly, those of us who are either overweight or obese. In his book, Asprey tells his own journey into fasting and what he's learned along the way.

"The word fasting is associated with pain, and I wanted to teach people some hacks for fasting," Asprey says. "I also put a whole chapter in for women, because fasting doesn't work for everyone and there is no one best kind of fasting. The evidence seems pretty clear that fasting the same way every day or every week is probably also not the best strategy.

So, how do you make it so you can fast without pain when you have stuff to do? And how do you make it so you fast with all of the emotions of fasting when you want to really dig deep and do the meditation, personal development side of fasting? Sorting through all that hasn't been done in a book, so that's why I wrote it."

Breaking the Starvation Myth

As noted by Asprey, a common concern is that fasting will put your body into starvation mode, thereby actually preventing fat loss. This is a persistent belief, but it's not true. That said, some strategies will indeed activate starvation mode, such as when you're eating a low-calorie diet for months on end. Asprey tells a personal story that encapsulates this dilemma:

"On my journey of losing 100 pounds, I was doing what everyone said would work. I went to the gym an hour and a half a day, six days a week, halfway tough cardio until I could max out all but two machines, and I would do 45 minutes on the treadmill at a 15-degree angle wearing a backpack — really just pushing it.

And, I went on a low-fat, low-calorie diet. At the end of 18 months, I'm sitting at a Carl's Jr. with friends. I'm eating the chicken salad with no chicken and no dressing and my friends are eating double western bacon cheeseburgers. I looked around and I'm like, 'I exercise more than all my friends and I eat less than all my friends, even though I'm taller than they are. Maybe I'm just eating too much lettuce.'

To have a 46-inch waist after that much exercise, low-calorie dieting and all the suffering and intense hunger … My god, the sense of personal failure that comes with that, it's one thing that holds people back and makes us stay heavy.

What's going on there is there is a hunger set point that is caused by ghrelin, one of the hunger hormones. It's a precursor to leptin. Research has shown that when you lose weight using a low-calorie diet or excessive exercise — and I was doing both — your hunger set point will remain your fat set point, and it will always do that.

The thing that turns your set point for hunger to your actual weight instead of to your fat weight is ketones. So, if you were to fast for a couple days or use the fasting hacks that I talk about in the book — there are three fasting hacks to turn off hunger, and two of them are going to help get your ketones up — even just one dose will reset your hunger levels."

As explained by Asprey, yo-yo weight loss and weight gain occurs because you're on the wrong diet. Key dietary principles for losing the excess weight and keeping it off include:

• Getting at least half or more of your daily calories from healthy fats
• Eating the right type and amount of protein
• Avoiding inflammatory foods, including inflammatory vegetables (culprits include lectins and oxalic acid, for example)
• Having periods of time when you fast (abstain from food)

Key Benefits of Fasting

So, what are the main benefits of fasting? Is it just the ease of weight loss? As explained by Asprey, there are many other health benefits to fasting beside the fact that stubborn weight will fall off. Importantly, the primary benefit of fasting is that it makes your body better at making energy.

This in turn has several benefits, one of which is improved blood sugar regulation, which will allow you to stave off insulin resistance and metabolic dysfunction and all the diseases of aging associated with that. As noted by Asprey, if you can avoid cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes and Alzheimer's disease, you're probably going to live longer, as these are the primary killers.

Fasting is also antiaging because it improves autophagy in your mitochondria and cells. Autophagy is a natural process that cleanses and detoxifies your mitochondria and cells. By breaking down old, damaged organelles, fresh, new ones can be made to replace them. And, with healthy, new mitochondria, your body can make more energy, more efficiently.

"That's an unappreciated side of fasting," Asprey says. "High-intensity interval training will do something similar, but when you combine that with fasting, your body is like, 'Get rid of that old stuff.' It's kind of like a snake shedding its skin. It's that autophagy process that is a really big deal."

The Most Important Fat to Avoid

As mentioned, about half or more of your daily calories should come from fats, but it's crucial to avoid certain types of fats. I'm currently writing a book on what I believe might be the primary disease-maker in the Western diet, namely omega-6 linoleic acid (LA).

LA makes up the bulk — about 90% — of the omega-6 consumed and is the primary contributor to nearly all chronic diseases. While an essential fat, when consumed in excessive amounts, LA acts as a metabolic poison.

The reason for this is because polyunsaturated fats such as LA are highly susceptible to oxidation. As the fat oxidizes, it breaks down into harmful sub-components such as advanced lipid oxidation end products (ALES) and oxidized LA metabolites (OXLAMS). These ALES and OXLAMS are actually what cause the damage.

One type of advanced lipid oxidation end product (ALE) is 4HNE, a mutagen known to cause DNA damage. Studies have shown there's a definite correlation between elevated levels of 4HNE and heart failure. LA breaks down into 4HNE even faster when the oil is heated, which is why cardiologists recommend avoiding fried foods. LA intake and the subsequent ALES and OXLAMS produced also play a significant role in cancer.

HNE and other ALES are extraordinarily harmful even in exceedingly small quantities. While excess sugar is certainly bad for your health and should typically be limited to 25 grams per day or less, it doesn't cause a fraction of the oxidative damage that LA does.

Processed vegetable oils are a primary source of LA, but even food sources hailed for their health benefits contain it, and can be a problem if consumed in excess. Cases in point: olive oil and conventionally raised chicken, which are fed LA-rich grains. To learn more about this hidden source of LA, see "Why Chicken Is Killing You and Saturated Fat Is Your Friend."

Many now understand that your omega-6 to omega-3 ratio is very important, and should be about 1-to-1 or possibly up to 4-to-1, but simply increasing your omega-3 intake won't counteract the damage done by excessive LA. You really need to minimize the omega-6 to prevent damage from taking place. For more details about how to track your LA intake and minimize it, please view my recent article on how to do this.


Simple Hacks That Make Fasting Easier

Contrary to popular belief, fasting doesn't have to be difficult or painful. Asprey details three fasting hacks in "Fast This Way." The first one is to increase your ketone level. As explained by Asprey, hunger hormones start shifting when your ketone level hits slightly below 0.5, which is not yet the level at which you enter nutritional ketosis. He explains:

"Ghrelin will drop at 0.38, so almost no ketones. The hunger that comes with the ghrelin turns off. But there's also a satiety hormone, the one that makes you feel full, which is called CCK or cholecystokinin. CCK, when you hit levels of 0.48, CCK makes you feel full. So, if you can get your ketones up to that level in the morning, then you will not pay attention to food.

The first step to get your levels up is mycotoxin-free black coffee — the Bulletproof beans are that. I did the original research about this. Anything that causes inflammation is going to make you hungry because inflammation just means the electrons that should be powering your thoughts are going to create inflammation in the body. They must go somewhere.

These toxins are present in very small amounts. Coffee that has more than five parts per million is illegal to sell in China, Japan and Europe, but it gets sent to the U.S., and we wonder why we get really hungry two hours after we have coffee and why we want sugar in our coffee.

It has to do with toxins, not coffee itself. A study at UC San Diego is really interesting. They found that the amount of caffeine present in two small cups of black coffee will double ketone production.

The second way is to make the coffee 'bulletproof.' And what that means is, you take your mycotoxin-free beans and you add some MCT oil. The 8-carbon chain (C8) MCT is the correct one. C8 MCT raises ketones four times more than coconut oil. [Then] you [add] butter and blend it or really shake it."

Asprey funded research at the University of Washington with Dr. Gerald Pollack, who determined that when water is mixed with grass fed butter or MCT oil, it creates a very large exclusion zone (EZ) in the water, and this EZ is important during fasting.

When you drink regular water, your body takes the water and puts it near your cell membranes, which are made of tiny droplets of fat. Body heat warms the water, converting it from bulk water into EZ water, which your body requires for ATP production and other biological processes, including autophagy and protein folding.

"When you put that tiny bit of butter and the MCT oil and you blend it in the morning, the MCT is going to raise your ketone levels very meaningfully. I can always get to 0.5 with just a Bulletproof coffee. But you're also getting this water in the form of the coffee that is already primed for your body to use it to start burning fat, to start making energy," Asprey explains.

"This is why taking a bite of butter and drinking a cup of coffee isn't going to do it for you. It's a different process. And I have noticed profound differences from doing that … I have found that for women, in particular, starting out with this really helps, especially if you're over 40."

The Importance of Prebiotic Fiber

A third fasting hack is to make sure you're getting enough prebiotic fiber. According to Asprey, long term fasting and/or eating a carnivore-like, zero-carb diet for extended periods of time without cycling healthy carbs back in can alter your gut microbiota, which in turn can cause sleep disruptions.

Adding prebiotics to your morning coffee is compatible with fasting and will prevent hunger.

When you feed your gut bacteria with prebiotics, they convert the prebiotics into propionic acid and butyric acid (butyrate), and butyrate is very pro-ketogenic.

"In fact, you can get into a state of ketosis by taking a handful of butyrate capsules," Asprey says. "You want more butyric acid if you want to live a long time and have a healthy metabolism, and studies show massive hunger suppression when you do this.

So, if you put prebiotic fiber, which has essentially no flavor, in your coffee in the morning … you'll also find that you care nothing about food. I was able to quadruple the number of species of [beneficial bacteria] in my gut using this. It's totally compatible with fasting and it turns off hunger like no one's business.

So now you're saying, 'Wait, a minute. I could have the coffee I was going to have anyway. I don't put the sugar and artificial crap in it. I get the mold-free coffee and then I have a choice of drinking a black, of adding butter and MCT, and/or adding prebiotic fiber.'

What you do then is you drink this and you just stop caring about food, you go into the zone and you have the best morning you've ever had. Then the next morning, maybe you only have black coffee or maybe you have tea or maybe you have nothing at all, but it's OK and it's even preferable to mix up your length and style of fasting."

Cyclical Keto and Fasting Are the Safest Approaches

In the interview, Asprey discusses several of the diet traps that people get themselves into. As a general guidance, Asprey and I both agree that the best strategy to stay out of trouble is to cycle in and out of whatever routine you're doing, be it low-carb keto or fasting.

While you may need to be very strict in the beginning, once you're metabolically flexible, mix things up once or twice a week. Eat three meals instead of one and/or spread them out. Add in more carbs.

"The idea is to be flexible about your fasting regimen," Asprey says. "I don't even like the word regimen. It's just a practice that we do and it's a practice that makes us feel good, it makes us perform better. And it makes us age less, but doing it too much is a real danger.

If you're going to do something like a four-day fast, after about 48 hours, there's all sorts of additional forms of autophagy that turn on. Once every three or six months, doing a 48-hour fast is really well-advised. But man, as a weekly practice, that'll mess you up …

Women will hit the wall before men do. I think there are evolutionary reasons for this. But it's a big problem and I oftentimes see thyroid problems manifest and autoimmunity. There are good studies that show chronic stressors trigger autoimmunity, and over-fasting is a chronic stressor almost by definition."

How Activated Charcoal Can Help

One reason why fasting is a stressor is because it releases toxins from your fat cells. A simple intervention to address this is the use of activated charcoal when you're fasting. This is particularly beneficial if you're also doing saunas.

"The universal thing that will happen is you will experience massive brain fog. You'll feel like a zombie. This was a big thing for me because I had toxic mold exposure [and] I had heavy metals. You have these very interesting things in your gut, these gut bacteria that make lipopolysaccharides (LPS).

LPS's can cross the gut barrier and then they cause inflammation in the body and trigger cravings in the brain. So, when the bad bacteria in your gut are going, 'I didn't get my sugar. I didn't get any food. Oh, my god, it's a mortal threat. If there's a threat, I should release toxins.'

So, they ramp up their LPS production and then you'll feel like garbage. Then you have to use even more willpower to get through your fast — or you could take activated charcoal that binds directly to LPS. Then you don't feel the hunger and you don't have to take the biological hit of all the toxins you're releasing from your fat, and that really makes a big difference."

Tripling Down on mTOR

In his book, Asprey also discusses how to integrate exercise into your fasting regimen. The best time to exercise is at the end of your fast. He explains:

"There's something in the body called mTOR, which drives growth. mTOR will drive muscle [growth]. So, if you want to get a bicep, then you need some mTOR. But if your mTOR is chronically elevated, your risk of cancer and the diseases of aging go up. If you eat too much protein, especially certain amino acids, your [mTOR] level goes up and stays up, and that's not good for you.

It's not enough to trigger muscle growth, but it's just enough to trigger inflammation. The way mTOR works is you suppress mTOR and then when you stop suppressing it, it surges forth and you get a big spike, which is what causes the benefits.

There's three things that suppress mTOR and I call the strategy 'tripling down on mTOR.' The first thing that is shown to increase mTOR is fasting. The longer you fast, the lower your mTOR goes, which is good for triggering autophagy and things like that.

Other things that lowers mTOR are coffee and exercise. So, by having coffee during the fast, you keep cranking down on it, and then you exercise and it's really low.

Then when you eat, which releases mTOR, and you have adequate protein in that meal, the body is like, 'Woo-hoo, I've got a huge surge of mTOR and I've got protein present. Now, I'm going to go to work and I'm going to fix everything. I'm going to replace all the cells I got rid of during autophagy. I'm going to grow the new mitochondria.'"

This is why you get more out of exercise when you do it at the end of a fast. I'm convinced this strategy has helped me radically build my muscles and improve my strength. One small tweak that may be helpful if you're doing very heavy exercise is to eat a small amount of food about 30 to 60 minutes before you start, essentially breaking your fast right before your exercise.

"There's great logic in that advice," Asprey says. "You fasted and then you broke the fast right before the exercise, because by the time those calories are digested and hit the blood sugar, you will be done with your workout. It's going to be a good half hour before that stuff really hits the bloodstream.

So, I would totally support that unless you're doing the kind of high-intensity workouts that I'm a fan of, the ones where if I tried to do it with a full stomach, I think I might throw up. They're very short but they're very intense."

More Information

Asprey discusses a number of other antiaging strategies in this interview as well — things like hormone regulation and the use of testosterone, and how fasting affects these levels — so for those details, be sure to listen to the whole interview.
He also goes into some of the problems that can occur when you're on a plant-based diet, and/or if your omega-3 to omega-6 ratio is off-kilter, as well as how your diet and exposure to sunlight influence your circadian rhythm, and which supplements are helpful when fasting and which should be avoided.

Naturally, you'll also want to pick up a copy of his book, "Fast This Way: Burn Fat, Heal Inflammation, and Eat Like the High-Performing Human You Were Meant to Be," where he covers everything in greater depth. In addition to everything already mentioned, his book also includes information about intermittent hypoxic training and breathing exercises.

"What we know now, and what is in 'Fast This Way,' is that when you show your body that it will be required to regularly go without something it thinks it needs, you walk away from that as a stronger person.

Your willpower is stronger, but more importantly, your cells are stronger, and then they will give you more energy all the time. And, going from a 300-pound tired, fat, uncomfortable guy to where I am now, even though I'm 48, if I could do it, I think anyone could do it," Asprey says.

[jc71]

Hi all,

I only started doing water fasts after this thread was started a few years ago. I have just finished a 4 day water fast, and am going to progress now to a 20-4 intermittent water fast (20 hours fast, 4 hour eating window).

I have never done a dry fast, but am interested in trying that out soon. 3 days looks like it may be relatively safe to begin with. I might try 1 day first, then 2, and build up to 3 over a period of time.

Great thread. Insipirational to me and many others I think

JC

[Bill Ryan]

I thought I'd bump this very interesting and useful thread with a routine personal report. I'm intoi Day 6 of a fast this morning, and everything's going normally.

In case anyone's new to this, here's some basic info that might be helpful. (But there's a LOT more throughout this thread, about every aspect of this.)

• For me, Day 2 is usually the hump to get over, as then I'm still feeling hunger. That almost always fades away on Day 3, but each person's responses are very individual!

• I weigh myself daily. I usually lose about 2 lbs (1 kg) per day. I stop either when my body tells me to (and I listen to my body very carefully all the time), or when I reach my minimum healthy weight. For me, that's about 150 lbs, but again of course, each person is different.

• It may be important NOT to crash down through that minimum healthy weight threshold, or else the body can become quite stressed and can sometimes start digesting its own muscle (a kind of last resort once all the available glycogen reserves are used up), which is not desperately terrible but is also far from an ideal thing.

• I drink 2-3 liters of water per day. As long as I'm urinating regularly, that means I'm taking enough water. (It's important for the natural detoxing to drink too much rather than too little!)

• I have a cup of black coffee every morning. That doesn't interfere with the fast, and some research suggests that black coffee indeed supports the autophagy which kicks in after a few days.

• Autophagy (and there are good references posted earlier in this thread) is the body's magical auto-healing which happens when fasting. (This is why wild animals stop eating when they're are sick or injured: they know just what to do.) Many people on water fasts, especially long ones, report all kinds of resistant issues clearing up. In the simplest terms, autophagy is a natural process in which the body, not spending energy or attention on food and digestion, starts scavenging to "digest" and get rid of anything unhealthy which shouldn't be in there.

• It has been suggested (see this new video) that induced autophagy may be one way of eliminating the unwanted and unnatural spike proteins if one feels they may have been transmitted by a 'vaccinated' person. (Another way of inducing autophagy is 20 minutes of 170ºF sauna per day, which is VERY hot.)

• BREAKING the fast is important. It needs to be done right. Going straight from a fast to hamburgers and fries sends the body into shock! My own protocol is Day 1 of fast-break, nothing but fruit (papaya is my favorite); Day 2 vegetable broth; and then Day 3 soups and other easy-to-digest things. Day 4, one can pretty much return to normal.

• I wrote just above, "return to normal". But fasting can be a GREAT way of resetting one's eating routine. For instance, if one wants to ease oneself away from habits like too much sugary stuff (or hamburgers and fries!), starting again after a fast with a new set of habits and routines is really very easy to do, and one of the very best ways of "resetting" everything to something that may be much more optimal.
  

[Bill Ryan]

Just an update on my fast I noted in my previous post, to report an interesting outcome.

I went for six and a half days. In water fasting terms, that's a moderate, short-to-medium fast. (Some people go for a LOT longer!)

But the autophagy (the body's self-healing while fasting) kicked in and did its miracle thing.

I'd had a minor, but persistent left shoulder problem. It wasn't serious, and never stopped me from doing anything at all, but I had some restriction in movement and I had to be a little careful with my sleeping position. It wasn't getting worse, but wasn't getting better, and it'd been that way for over 6 months.

Now, it's 95% all gone, and I'm delighted. Not totally back to normal, but pretty close. If it's not 100% better in the next few days, I'll do another fast in a few weeks time to nail it.

[oz93666]

This is a long thread and I haven't checked all the 21 pages , so I don't know if Bragg or Ehret have already been mentioned ?...

These were a great inspiration to me . I discovered them when I was about 22 . They are both real characters and their life stories are very interesting , they really lived what they taught and were living examples ...Bragg died aged 99 in a waterskiing accident....




Bragg had decades of hands on experience running fasting clinics and believed he had realized the ultimate system... He recommended One 24 hr fast every week , One 3 Day fast every month , and one 7 day fast every 3 months .... so to be clear that's 52 fasts every year most of these just 24 hrs with out food... Distilled water ... fibrous non stogy foods as last meal before commencement of fast and to break the fast ... that's all you need to know ... of course healthy eating between fasts , distilled water...

I followed this regime for quiet a while and found it excellent... After about a dozen fasts I lost the addiction for food , so it was not much effort at all , and if I found myself travelling and away from food sources it was easy to just not eat for a few days and food was not on my mind...

Collecting urine and letting it cool shows how much you are de toxing by the cloudiness..

Bragg does not recommend longer than 7 days fasting . Experience on himself and others showed it was not beneficial...

Sadly the habit of fasting has slipped from my life , it does take an effort ... But does produce "spiritual" states from my experience ... I think this is due (at times) to a very low blood sugar level .. the brain has no fuel and sort of just stops working !

[RunningDeer]

Posted by oz93666 (here)
This is a long thread and I haven't checked all the 21 pages , so I don't know if Bragg or Ehret have already been mentioned ?...

These were a great inspiration to me . I discovered them when I was about 22 . They are both real characters and their life stories are very interesting , they really lived what they taught and were living examples ...Bragg died aged 99 in a waterskiing accident....

Thanks for the information, oz93666.

The books I’ve read from doctors of the late 1800’s and early 1900-1930s give similar advice. Also, many mention how the medical and pharmaceutical industry advocate the knife and prescribe medication.

“Nature is a far more efficient Healer than are so-termed scientific methods which involve mutilation.” - Water of Life, by John W. Armstrong.

Click on a free book then check for drop down menu (or look for the 3 dots) for pdf, epub &/or mobi editions:

• Arnold Ehret
• Paul C. Bragg