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    I found this comment about fasting on Dr. John Campbell’s vid today (3.24.23) on molecular aspects of immunity. This was his 3rd (of 3, I think) talks with immunology specialist Dr. Robert Clancy.

    Here is the link to that vid.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBra0wx8mEQ

    The comment was a response to a comment by Wendy Bowden.

    The poster says, near the end, that their YT chan (Pottenger’s Human) has current/maintained resources about fasting, such as the kind of links included in his/her post here.

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    “Your natural immunity will always be more useful than anything artificial. If you do some fasting you can regenerate up to 1/3 of your white blood cells in a single 72 h fast and this has a great effect on its efficacy. Some of the many benefits of doing occasional extended fasting: Blood clotting is reduced and blood clots and arterial plaque are reabsorbed into the body. Blood pressure is quickly and dramatically lowered.
    Fribrosis/scarring is reversed over time and telomeres are lengthened, which also helps with lung fibrosis.
    Fasting increases nitric oxide.

    Fasting stimulates phagocytosis, the ingestion of bacteria, plaques and viruses by the immune system. It will also remove any 'foreign material' that is not supposed to be there.

    After 72 hours or more fasted, your body recycles as much as 1/3 of all immune bodies and creates new ones, rejuvenating your entire immune system.

    Vitamin D plasma levels are increased, and vitamin D in turn increases autophagy.

    Fasting increases anti-aging Yamanaka factors!

    Fasting can help with MS, Depression, BPD, Autism and seizures.

    Thymus is regenerated, which suppresses aging and renews the immune system.

    Weight loss from fasting only loses10% lean tissue and 90% fat compared to the typical 25% lean tissue and 75% fat lost when calorically restricting for long periods. The hunger hormone ghrelin lowers with extended fasting and rises from dieting.

    Blood sugar and insulin are lowered, allowing white blood cells to move more freely throughout the body and do their job. Ideal blood sugar is around 80. Some viruses activate glycolosis (the release of sugar in the body) and clinically it has been shown that decreasing glucose metabolism in the body weakens the influenza virus.

    When you move out of MTOR your body shuts down the building blocks of the cell which are used to produce organelles and proteins. This means the mechanisms needed by viruses to replicate are by and large unavailable when you are in a deeply fasted state.

    What breaks a fast? Anything with protein or carbohydrates in it will break a fast, though if the amount is tiny you will go back into ketosis very quickly. Most teas and herbs are OK. Most supplements and meds will either break ketosis directly or contain a filler that will. Many medications are dangerous to take while fasting so you may have to talk to your dr. about discontinuing them during a fast.

    Fasts of several days will not affect short term female fertility and may increase long term fertility, especially in women with PCOS.

    Does fasting lower testosterone? No, it raises it when the fast is broken by increasing lutenizing hormone and helps build muscle by increasing insulin sensitivity!

    The hormone Leptin is an immunomodulator that keeps the body from attacking itself and obesity causes leptin resistance. Fasting very quickly reduces leptin resistance and leptin levels and one day of fasting can cut your leptin levels in half and gets your immune system working properly again!

    Does the body preferentially prefer glucose as a fuel? No, your body always runs mainly on fat except for brief periods of very intense exercise. Your brain also prefers to burn ketones at a rate of around 2.5 to 1 when they are available in equal quantity to glucose.

    Fasting stimulates the AMPK complex and activates autophagy. Autophagy (literally self eating) will cause cells to recycle foreign matter such as viruses and kill cancerous and senescent cells. AMPK does many helpful things in the body including activating the body's antioxidant defenses.

    Deep ketosis virtually eliminates chronic inflammation in the body. This can offset the life threatening symptoms of viral pneumonia which effectively kills you through inflammation. This also creates BHB ketones in your body, which also help your immune system and anti-oxidative system, especially in the brain. Ketones also provide an additional energy source during infection, which is critical when trying to fight off a bug. In fact you can have as much as three times the total energy available in your blood when you are in deep ketosis, or even more.

    It increases mitochondrial function and repairs mitichondrial DNA, leading to improved ATP production and oxygen efficiency and thereby making cells better able to fight off infection. Increased mitochondrial function also has the added benefit of increasing your metabolism and cancer prevention!

    When you fast, this stimulates apoptosis in senescent or genetically damaged cells. This kills these cells off completely. Senescent cells are responsible for the effects of aging and are the root cause of the development of cancer. If it were possible to destroy them all it would completely stop aging and cancer. That is not possible but fasting can help limit these effects by killing off many of the affected cells and limiting the future effects of aging.

    Fasting also releases BDNF and NGF in the blood which stimulates new nerve and brain cell growth, helping a great deal with diseases like MS, peripheral neuropathy and Alzheimers.

    In fact, the biochemical regulator of BDNF production is beta-hydroxybutyrate, which is the same ketone the body produces to nourish the brain while fasting.

    A fasting mimicking diet for 3-5 days in a row also provides many of the same benefits as water fasting. FMD usually has 200-800 calories, under 18 g of protein and under 18 g of carb.

    Exogenous ketones can aid with fasting, making it easier in healthy people and allowing some people with specific issues to fast in spite of them without worrying as much about hypoglycemia.

    Children, pregnant or nursing women should not fast for periods longer than 16 hours. People with pancreatic tumors or certain forms of hypoglycemia generally cannot fast at all. Type 1 diabetics can also fast but it is more complicated and should be approached with caution as it could lead to ketoacidosis. Those with Addison's disease may also be unable to fast without liberal use of exogenous ketones, depending on severity. If you experience extreme symptoms of some kind, especially dizziness then simply break the fast and seek advice.

    Resources:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23707514/

    https://clinical.diabetesjournals.org/content/36/3/217
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27569118/
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21410865/
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28235195/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24905167
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10859646
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...05272806000223
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1413655/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2815756/
    http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/...131(15)00224-7
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/25712
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1779438/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10232622
    https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/81/1/69/4607679
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25909219/
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa012908
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15522942/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3017674/
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...31312809002832
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5895342/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526871/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6407435/
    https://www.arcjournals.org/pdfs/ijrsb/v3-i11/7.pdf
    https://www.amjmedsci.org/article/S0...027-0/fulltext
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20921964/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6141719/
    https://faseb.onlinelibrary.wiley.co...plement.819.10
    https://www.biorxiv.org/node/93305.full
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7093158/


    https://n.neurology.org/content/88/16_Supplement/P3.090
    https://www.nia.nih.gov/news/researc...ealth-benefits
    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-...telomeres.html
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8470960/
    https://europepmc.org/article/MED/22...ipt_support=no
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...5.2005.02288.x
    https://www.collective-evolution.com...immune-system/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29727683/
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001176
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23408502/

    https://www.cell.com/molecular-cell/...showall%3Dtrue
    https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04375657
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7714088/
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6859089/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23876457
    https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/vie...edissertations
    https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S...674(19)30849-9
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25686106

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart...he-liver-heart
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20102774/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31877297/

    This list compiled over years of research by the user known as Pottenger's Human on youtube but feel free to copy and paste this anywhere you like, no accreditation needed!

    My channel which will always contain an updated version of this list of fasting benefits on the community tab. I also have playlists on fasting and health topics.“

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    A tiny personal report to bump the thread.

    As I've posted before, when doing a water fast I always listen carefully to my body. I stop as soon as it starts to tell me:
    "I want food, and I mean protein, please".
    That's really because I don't have all that much weight to lose, and once I start to approach my minimum healthy weight there's a danger of muscle loss. I know that can be built back, but that never feels quite right to me. It seems to be crossing a kind of line that's just a bit of an unhealthy warning.
    (important note: of course, never ever break a fast with protein. That's way too heavy for a digestive system that been having a well-earned rest. Always break it with fruit and maybe veggie broth, something very light and easy. For me, some fish on the second day after a fast works well, and after that I can more or less return to normal.)
    I'm breaking a 6-day fast right now. But before I embarked on this one, I tried something new — which the fasting experts on the net do not recommend. So I wanted to report on that.

    What I did was go on a protein-and-fat only keto diet for 4 days before my new water fast. All the fasting experts recommend a lightweight fruit-and-veg diet before a fast, as the body adapts to fasting much more easily when it's all alkaline. (And that's 100% true.)

    Sure enough, the first day was very difficult (more than usual when starting a fast), and the second day was a little tough too. But then it all eased off to fasting normality, and it was all fine. I'm now approaching my minimum healthy weight again, which is why I'm stopping. But my body is now saying something completely new to tell me I need to stop:
    "Hey, I need salad!"
    So funny! Nothing about wanting protein at all, so my pre-fast protein loading clearly did the job, despite the initial discomfort. Next time I'll do exactly the same thing, as it seemed to work pretty well for me.

    But, caveat: this isn't advice: I'm merely sharing my personal experience. Everyone's body is different, and the key points here are always:
    1. Listen to your body.
    2. Don't drop below your minimum healthy weight.
    3. Never force anything.
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    Bill, was this just a general maintenance fast? or for something more specific. Just curious.
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    Quote Posted by Casey Claar (here)
    Bill, was this just a general maintenance fast? or for something more specific. Just curious.
    Just maintenance, part of a whole bunch of things I do from time to time to stay in good shape. My first multi-day water fast was 20 years ago, and each time I do one (maybe 3-4 times a year) it seems to get easier and easier.

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    i just knew about this and started to do it yesterday, don't know what time have last dinner before yesterday but whole day didn't ate anything at all but drink 1+ of tea from 1 bag-went to the spa which always cause hungry and had 2 teaspoon of salt(people saying need salt)..don't know what causes my dizziness at 9-10pm so had cold pasta salad, had no craving at all and not that hungry...one thing i got out of it is able to focus do meditation easily while normally can't do it..

    as i'm from Australia seems having issue with Electrolytes/Hydralyte because most of them contain glucose...found one from local store and it have artificial sweeteners. anyone from Australia which Electrolytes to get? anyone aware which Electrolytes? thought of getting amazon.

    read around with fasting gonna have high risk of gallbladder issue having Gallstones...heard around need to consume something like 10g/ml of oil per day for gallbladder

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    Personally I start intermittent fasting 2 weeks before then one meal a day the week before and then. I fast, but dont fast more than 48 hours because of muscle loss (sarcopenia) because of age and I dont eat meat. Tbh I find it difficult to eat the recommended amount of protein (just too much) but, like Bill, I listen to my body.

    Dr Eric Berg's channel on YT has lots of info on healthy keto and fasting, and all sorts of nutritional advice which has cured many of my ailments. He's a chiropracter by trade but had a lot of ailments himself. What I like about him is that he advocates Real Food (organic where possible) and a healthy lifestyle.He practices what he preaches and looks fabulous. Thats good enough for me 👍

    Good Luck apocolypse - let us know how you're getting on with your fast and the benefits/drawbacks you experience. Its hard work keeping fit, healthy and beautiful . . .
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    I have been using BodyBio E-Lyte as it has no sugars added and you just use 1/2 a capful in your water during the day, so the bottle lasts a long time Iherb deliver very quickly, I can't seem to find it in regular health food stores or chemist stores. Take a look here,



    Quote Posted by apokalypse (here)
    i just knew about this and started to do it yesterday, don't know what time have last dinner before yesterday but whole day didn't ate anything at all but drink 1+ of tea from 1 bag-went to the spa which always cause hungry and had 2 teaspoon of salt(people saying need salt)..don't know what causes my dizziness at 9-10pm so had cold pasta salad, had no craving at all and not that hungry...one thing i got out of it is able to focus do meditation easily while normally can't do it..

    as i'm from Australia seems having issue with Electrolytes/Hydralyte because most of them contain glucose...found one from local store and it have artificial sweeteners. anyone from Australia which Electrolytes to get? anyone aware which Electrolytes? thought of getting amazon.

    read around with fasting gonna have high risk of gallbladder issue having Gallstones...heard around need to consume something like 10g/ml of oil per day for gallbladder

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    Quote Posted by Miller (here)
    Personally I start intermittent fasting 2 weeks before then one meal a day the week before and then. I fast, but dont fast more than 48 hours because of muscle loss (sarcopenia) because of age and I dont eat meat. Tbh I find it difficult to eat the recommended amount of protein (just too much) but, like Bill, I listen to my body.

    Dr Eric Berg's channel on YT has lots of info on healthy keto and fasting, and all sorts of nutritional advice which has cured many of my ailments. He's a chiropracter by trade but had a lot of ailments himself. What I like about him is that he advocates Real Food (organic where possible) and a healthy lifestyle.He practices what he preaches and looks fabulous. Thats good enough for me 👍

    Good Luck apocolypse - let us know how you're getting on with your fast and the benefits/drawbacks you experience. Its hard work keeping fit, healthy and beautiful . . .
    thanks so much..watching it now where he talking about "Drinking Water Is NOT the Best Way to Stay Hydrated "

    i'm really fascinated with human body...God aka creator either beings who what ever is amazing. all by design. i always had that thought for long time we get sick.
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    Quote Posted by Miller (here)
    Personally I start intermittent fasting 2 weeks before then one meal a day the week before and then. I fast, but dont fast more than 48 hours because of muscle loss (sarcopenia) because of age and I dont eat meat. Tbh I find it difficult to eat the recommended amount of protein (just too much) but, like Bill, I listen to my body.
    Just a thinking-aloud post here: I too am wary of possible muscle loss when on a medium-length water-fast, so I'm always mindful of the issue. (But, listening to my body, it always seems to tell me clearly when enough fasting is enough!)

    I found myself wondering if whey protein might be an acceptable solution for you when managing the potential muscle-loss problem. Boosting yourself with whey protein for a week or two before a water fast (that is, assuming you're not a strict vegan!) might well deal with the issue and enable you to fast for longer — if you want to.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Miller (here)
    Personally I start intermittent fasting 2 weeks before then one meal a day the week before and then. I fast, but dont fast more than 48 hours because of muscle loss (sarcopenia) because of age and I dont eat meat. Tbh I find it difficult to eat the recommended amount of protein (just too much) but, like Bill, I listen to my body.
    Just a thinking-aloud post here: I too am wary of possible muscle loss when on a medium-length water-fast, so I'm always mindful of the issue. (But, listening to my body, it always seems to tell me clearly when enough fasting is enough!)

    I found myself wondering if whey protein might be an acceptable solution for you when managing the potential muscle-loss problem. Boosting yourself with whey protein for a week or two before a water fast (that is, assuming you're not a strict vegan!) might well deal with the issue and enable you to fast for longer — if you want to.
    Thank you Bill. I'm not vegan (I eat salmon, eggs and cheese) but not keen on whey protein although I've tried pea protein in smoothies. Since my early 20s I've remained fairly athletic but my attempts at keto during lockdown reduced my biceps practically to walnuts when they used to be like :0. When I spoke to the doctor, he suggested I use lighter weights and do more reps (which contradicted what I understood about lifting weights), but what did help was doing them much slower.

    As I grew older I thought (mistakenly) that if I kept doing what I was doing everything would stay the same, but of course it doesn't, and aging brings a set of - shall we say "challenges" - which continue to test. What I'm aiming for is not to live forever, but to live well and not be a burden to my children, hence an interest in fasting and autophagy.

    Apologies for sliding a little off topic, and thank you again for your welcome and kind thought Bill. Much appreciated
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Miller (here)
    Personally I start intermittent fasting 2 weeks before then one meal a day the week before and then. I fast, but dont fast more than 48 hours because of muscle loss (sarcopenia) because of age and I dont eat meat. Tbh I find it difficult to eat the recommended amount of protein (just too much) but, like Bill, I listen to my body.
    Just a thinking-aloud post here: I too am wary of possible muscle loss when on a medium-length water-fast, so I'm always mindful of the issue. (But, listening to my body, it always seems to tell me clearly when enough fasting is enough!)

    I found myself wondering if whey protein might be an acceptable solution for you when managing the potential muscle-loss problem. Boosting yourself with whey protein for a week or two before a water fast (that is, assuming you're not a strict vegan!) might well deal with the issue and enable you to fast for longer — if you want to.
    agreed.. it's unhealthy for starter to start straight 12+hours...i develop dizzy and getting headache and stopped last night..gonna do IF till get things right.

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